Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[davesaz]

confirm

[davesaz]

The cause of Freedom is Noble.

All-caps words are ugh.

[davesaz]

My eyes demand action.

VOTE: Vecna

[davesaz]

Yes, I meant what I said.

Do you think Vecna lied about having a geass, or lied about what it does?

At least we merely have OCCASIONAL words in caps and not ENTIRE posts. My eyes can probably deal with that if I use drops.
(No i'm not going to keep doing that. My fingers are educated and refuse to abuse the type system like that, especially when

there

are

other

means of emp

has

is.

[davesaz]

Daveasz, why does it matter where Kraska lied?

The previous assertion was that Vecna lied, not Kraska. The importance is not what kind of lie, but how other people interpreted it.

[davesaz]

However since you brought it up, was Kraska's backstab comment a lie? If so what do you think the relevance is?
I think both comments were intended as jokes, but that's based mostly on the tone of the game so far.

[davesaz]

It is literally impossible for me to enjoy shitposting.

+1

[davesaz]

PLEDGE LOYALTY TO PAINBRINGER

Enjoy your last day in thread, ciao

Are you a backstabber-type person?

Umm, was backstabbing mentioned by Kraska earlier than this point?

[davesaz]

I can backstab if I choose to

Nope, later. That's very interesting. Not sure what it means yet, but it's a little freaky unless that is a common possibility.

[davesaz]

VOTE: DarkInnocence

Any particular reason for this vote?

[davesaz]

Why do you consider them worthless?

[davesaz]

Actually whether you think they're lying makes a big difference to me.
Not enough substantial posts in game for reads.

[davesaz]

Vecna and KainTepes, please either stop trolling or just leave the game.

It's not enjoyable for anyone.

Anyways, gamewise, I'm tempted to say that Leon is town, mechanically, but this is a bastard game, so I can't make any sort of mechanical analyses.

i think leon is town in general as well as mechanically

why are you all reading leon as town?

im not

Umm, what?

[davesaz]

Actually whether you think they're lying makes a big difference to me.
Not enough substantial posts in game for reads.

why is that then?
if I believe them, what does that tell you?
If i don't, what does that tell you?

Currently, not much. Later when combined with other info, indications of whether you were informed or uninformed.

[davesaz]

Painbringer caught the same inconsistency from Randommidget. I noticed both the inconsistency and their response while doing iso of various people.
Part of the reason for posting about it was to see if they would follow up.

[davesaz]

Why are you voting, obvtown dave?

You missed a comma. I like the remaining sentence a lot better the way I punctuated it. It's true this way, where the other one was false.

I'm voting to make someone stop trolling. It seems to have worked. The vote isn't really needed, except as continuing pressure to not troll. I choose not to remove it since it is achieving the desired goal. Might as well make it useful instead of leaving it idle as unvoted.

My vote hasn't moved because I don't know yet where I want to move it to. Too many people have not had their 2nd posting day roll around yet. Too many people have had their 2nd day and not said anything of substance. I'll know better after more people say useful things.

[davesaz]

I have made very few posts. Why are you selectively responding and not giving reads when I asked for them?

~Titus

I'll know better after more people say useful things.

I don't do early reads. This has never been a secret.

[davesaz]

I have made very few posts. Why are you selectively responding and not giving reads when I asked for them?

~Titus

I'll know better after more people say useful things.

I don't do early reads. This has never been a secret.

There's plenty useful enough for you to chainsaw the rb wagon. Why are you pushing policy votes for trolling instead of what your gut tells you?

~Pandora

Umm, I haven't talked about rb and don't know if there is a wagon on the hydra he's part of.

[davesaz]

Shit posting is pretty worthless, but if you can shit post and provide thoughts that's great.
However complaining about shit posting while doing nothing is just another form of shit posting which is actually worse cause your being a hypocrite

Bingo.

It also happens to be a -very- common scum practise.

Which is the type of practise im flushing out.

Currently we have 5 biters.

Interesting story, I once tried to play scummy on purpose to see who would vote it and who wouldn't.
I think that Titus was one of the people who refused to believe did that as town.

[davesaz]

So if I read this right, a pink who had no interest in participating in this mechanic in the first place can sit on it. That's good.
The description of the mechanic could include moderator deception. I don't think it's likely but it is a possibility.

V/LA right now should pretty much go without saying, but I'll declare it till Monday.

[davesaz]

Did Titus claim to have no knowledge of flavor but then reveal flavor which is strongly indicative of the event?
Looks like a wiki dive is in order.

[davesaz]

I have detected several inconsistencies in the claimed information.

VOTE: Painbringer

[davesaz]

Did Titus claim to have no knowledge of flavor but then reveal flavor which is strongly indicative of the event?
Looks like a wiki dive is in order.

No. They said the flavor of the event confirms they triggered it.

That isn't the reason I'm voting them. The vote is real.

[davesaz]

Attn: "Nobles" hood.
Painbringer flavor claim is Milly Ashford.
Milly is

not a noble

but they let us think they are one by claiming membership in the hood.

[davesaz]

The point is that you're claiming to be a noble.

[davesaz]

why are the rest of

us nobles

in a hood then but for you?

They claimed to be a noble. (my emphasis added)
This is a lie by flavor. Votes please.

[davesaz]

why are the rest of

us nobles

in a hood then but for you?

They claimed to be a noble. (my emphasis added)
This is a lie by flavor. Votes please.

We're all confirmed nobles to each other in our hood.

Umm, they

just claimed it again

.

[davesaz]

http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Milly

[quote=wiki (emphasis mine)]
Milly cares deeply about Lelouch, but

realizes the need to restore her family's status by marrying a noble

.
[/quote]
The page also lists her as a

former

noble.

I take things literally. It's possible that Frozen does not which would make this merely a mistake and not a lie. But rest assured, when I'm town and I find someone saying things that look like lies, I call them on it. I could be wrong, but I'm not scum. I'm Euphemia, and it's really bizarre that there is a "noble" hood that doesn't have a (apparently main character?) noble in it.

[davesaz]

Look at this iso
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

Titus tells a lie as town and I vote her as town. I

always

call people on things that I think are lies.

Take your votes off me.

[davesaz]

OK fine, I'm probably wrong about the flavor thing, though the told you so to the rest of the thread will be very sweet if it ends up I was right. Well, bitter sweet because freedom will probably lose if I was right and let it go.
UNVOTE:

TBH if PB not lying then they're my 2nd strongest town read. Though triggering the cupid day thing is both wtf and IMO bad to do this early when we know nothing. Having that flavor character and a web browser it should have been possible to look it up and guess what it does even if the mod said nothing. (harboring a little doubt that the mod really said nothing about what it would do btw, and will be happy to told you so if that comes true as well...)

Someone who claimed a noble said they didn't know what would happen if someone pledged them. Why aren't the other nobles roping that individual? Or are we not equal in that respect? I know what happens if someone pledges me -- I'm not stupid enough to reveal it openly of course...

[davesaz]

Aristophanes -- was kraska making up the whole back stabbing thing?

[davesaz]

keyXrb was the noble who doesn't know what happens, but why do you think that makes him scum?

No player in the hood knows what happens when loyalty happens.

To answer 1st question, I thought not knowing might be useful as a fakeclaim detector, but apparently not.

In response to 2nd point, or at least they're not saying they know. I find it disconcerting that most/all hood references are coming from one source but I figure there would be a pileon if false info started showing up. And I guess that it's possible the mod has revealed less info than I'd expect even given the caveats at signup.

[davesaz]

But anyways. KC said that you and her couldn't be town together because you're scum. While I'm not as convinced as she is (Don't get me wrong. I'm scumreading you), I do believe that one of you are town and the other is scum.

Therefore, a 1v1 is in order.

This is fake. I don't think DS can be scum with Klingoncelt or PB currently.
Speaking of which, Klingon's vote feels fake as shit.
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I'm more confident in this than rando atm.
~GE

Given that fake generally means scum, and you think they're both fake, then how can you come to the conclusion they can't be scum together?

[davesaz]

I misread Gamma as Grandma a couple of times.

[davesaz]

Pedit: this was in response to the merits of being a couple with scum
The issue comes up when you have scum nailed but can't lynch them without it being a suicidal move. It nullifies the positive effect of lynching scum in the same way as scum vengeful does.

[davesaz]

The Not Chara/Alpaca slot can be voted...

KainTepes (3): Drone, DiamondSentinel, DarkInnocence
davesaz (2): Leonshade
PainBringer (1): KainTepes
AlpacaAlpaca (1): McMenno

Not Voting (13): BTD6_maker, malpascp, davesaz, Crystalline Dagger, Reasonably Rational, kraska77, ssbm_Kyouko, keyXrb, culted, PainBringer, Vecna, randomidget, Klingoncelt

[davesaz]

I think you'd be better off with me.

[davesaz]

But you described it as fake, where if you had a TR there I'd expect you to say it was wrong or misguided.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger
Pretty much all gut.

[davesaz]

I'd have to ISO him to find the posts, but he has the most scum-points. He has 3 scum-points, and no null or town-points from here on. Additionally, they had an overall trend of not-helpfulness during those pages.

So you're keeping "score" but not making notes of which posts those scores result from?

[davesaz]

Oh, look at the alternative wagon popping up.

[davesaz]

drone MUST be scum,, only scum uses my posting style as EXCUSE for calling me shitposter,, i am not a shitposter,, i am KAIN TEPES,,

DS outing his vote reasoning this way doesn't make me wanna lynch him..
VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

i will SHEEP This if you explain your THOUGHT PROCESS for the voting of the daggers,,

If you thought Drone was scum (implied in previous post) why would you want to sheep him?
Do you have an independent read on CD?

someone EXPLAIN TO KAIN TEPES why the drone should not be VOTED FOR,,

I like my vote better where it is right now. Care to explain why Drone should be voted for?

[davesaz]

Fire's our flavor man. I cannot even find where to watch the show.

I don't know what Davesaz was on, but he's acted pretty pants on head before.

You're claiming to not know the flavor? Wikis are a thing...

Speaking of wikis & flavor, there is a cat in the show, and you meowed.

[davesaz]

Is it just me or did RR say he was going to lie about being conftown with someone and then say "that might not work because i might be third party scum when i flip".

Did i just not understand what he wrote or does this make no sense to anyone?

~Jin~

He's saying that whatever role he is is normally meh, but really meh here. He's acknowledging that there may be alignment changes, but that a Masonizer or friendly neighbour should be immune to alignment changes. So if he is linked with, he will confirm you as town verbally even if not by flip, and we should all assume he is telling the truth.

However he could just be a traitor asking to be targetted by scum in an indirect way, as he seems pretty certain he's gonna be the one who changes alignments if anyone.

I doubt it was a traitor crumb given the post was suggesting a conversion to 3rd party.

[davesaz]

The hammer / killer dies but doesn't flip? As in we then have a no info at all?
That's pretty odd, isn't it? Not inconceivable given bastard, but wow?

[davesaz]

Who is this Malpascp person and what have they done?

Spoiler:

Yeah, I know I can read them. Going to my son's spelling bee, short of minutes, don't want to forget to post something. And it's good conversation maybe?

[davesaz]

Notice how my lover indicated that he has some dirt on malpascp and that davesaz comes in here to scurry about and try to poke at what that might be.

I came to respond to a prod. Iso me if you want to know who I am. Then kindly pull your head out of your ass.

[davesaz]

I guess a good question would be, does anyone else have the cat as an ability?

[davesaz]

I'm so lost this game it's not even funny.

[davesaz]

So if we're going to leash malpa's shot, who should he shoot?

I think KlingonCelt is scum. Don't like the way she waffled between the CD and mal wagon, trying to push the wagon towards mal before settling on CD due to the popularity of the wagon (see posts 2438, 2441 and 2442).

The above is based on the assumption that Klingon is CD's buddy, trying to sway the wagon but bussing when she saw the way the wind blowed. If CD flipped town, I might read it different, but if CD flips scum, I would want Klingon shot.

Thoughts?

I'm a total derp on Day 1, as such I'm usually lynched (or vig'ed Night 1) as low-hanging fruit. The experience leaves me feeling sorry for whoever ends up as the D1 lynch, and I'm reluctant to vote for someone that isn't a very strong read.

This post doesn't correspond to what I brought up, and it pings me hard to boot.

Let's pretend I'm taking you at face value: You are reluctant to vote for someone that isn't a strong read, so why did you vote for CD if you think the case against mal is better?

Marking this exchange as probably being AI.

[davesaz]

You think that's scum/scum, dave?

I'd think at least one, as the exchange has evasion and/or misrep involved. If it's both then likely not teamed, though slight chance of coaching if there were no daytalk involved.

[davesaz]

You think that's scum/scum, dave?

I'd think at least one, as the exchange has evasion and/or misrep involved. If it's both then likely not teamed, though slight chance of coaching if there were no daytalk involved.

Which one do you think looks worse?

It would help if one or both of them were responding to things.

[davesaz]

You think that's scum/scum, dave?

I'd think at least one, as the exchange has evasion and/or misrep involved. If it's both then likely not teamed, though slight chance of coaching if there were no daytalk involved.

do you suspect multiball

Not really -- though it is a confirmed weird setup so anything's possible.

[davesaz]

Klingoncelt made an excuse about not liking to vote on

D1

unless a read is strong.
Leon used that to cast shade on Klingon's

D2

.

Either Klingon is being evasive by allowing Leon to expand the definition, or Leon is misrepping Klingon by that expansion. (Or they didn't understand / didn't care what the other was doing)

I'm trying to figure out what happened there and nobody is cooperating.
I don't especially like being ignored like that, but I've become accustomed to it.

I flat out skipped all the high school hijinks. (no offense to anyone who is just roleplaying, my comment is on the content and not the people) I'm 55 and that doesn't appeal to me. I'd be willing to bet that more than 1500 posts have been nauseating to me. But I soldier on because I don't replace out.

[davesaz]

Bold is mine.

While doing that I also skimmed the mods ISO.
I'm okay with a CD lynch. I felt like early he

tried to bus Vecna

, and then as soon as the Vecna wagon lost steam he immediately jumped onto the randomidget when that was starting to get some steam.
With that said I don't like how quickly the Vecna wagon just dissapeared either.
And

his TR on Vecna

seems wierd and awkard? Gonna go ISO Vecna now.

Why did you use bus as a term in this post?
Whose TR on Vecna?

And I don't like Vecna either. Seems like he likes to scream "LYNCH THIS NERD" but not really say why or shows any attempt to convince people on why.

If you really ISO'd CD and then Vecna, doesn't this mean you hadn't looked at Vecna yet while thinking that CD was bussing in your previous post? I'm a little confused by the order of things here.

[davesaz]

Hmm, either Leonshade is no longer double voter, or someone on that wagon is voteless.

I'd be willing to hammer.

[davesaz]

Someone said hammer time?

[davesaz]

Game needs a scum filp to give us some clues.

[davesaz]

Shouldve let me dispell that geass. It wouldve been a ressurection.

I don't remember anyone saying no. If you had a power like that why wouldn't you use it anyway? And if you didn't have that power then why talk about it?

[davesaz]

I need Davesaz to get his ass in here to confirm whether he's a noble or not

I've confirmed it more than once previously -- yes I'm a noble.

[davesaz]

I just got our gift.

[davesaz]

VOTE: keyxrb

[davesaz]

VOTE: keyxrb

^ scum

^ caught scum

[davesaz]

24H LA

I don't see rb doing things he'd normally do as town in this situation.

[davesaz]

Postgame I'm gonna want to know why Painbringer fakeclaimed noble. And there's a big fat told you so for the people who cast shade on me for calling them out.
I am not part of the "noble hood", if there even is one. I've been assuming it's really "student council" based on the flavor.

Someone claimed to not know what the effect is of being pledged to as noble. That person is scum if they have not already flipped town.

No on geass, yes on non-geass ability, no on having a knightmare available to me.

[davesaz]

It was keyXrb, and their role PM indeed didn't mention what loyalty to them does.

Hmm, ok then, I was hoping that would be a way of identifying fake claims but alas it isn't so.

[davesaz]

You think that was a scum->3p alignment change?

[davesaz]

You think that was a scum->3p alignment change?

Dave I know im being annoying, but can you tell me a bit more about your non-geass non-knightmare non-noble ability that you have? Culted mightve been the target of KeyRB's redirection and he asked me to find out since he has limited time this week.

Targets: Painbringer N2, Creature N3. I want to keep scum guessing on who they should prioritize for NK's so would prefer not to say what it does.

[davesaz]

That's a pretty unique way of making a game bastard, but it certainly fits.

[davesaz]

Davesaz is there any way for you to verify that you have that second normal ability? If so there was a redirect on culted as well, that mustve targeted klingoncelt.

Don't know what you mean by a 2nd normal ability. I targeted Creature, and the ability would not interfere with other results if it were redirected elsewhere.

[davesaz]

How am I related?

[davesaz]

Have been sick. Surprised nobody has tried to pledge me. Idk abt yume no flip. Yume wanna claim flavor name?

[davesaz]

DAVESAZ, it is your turn to make an appearance and face the firing squad

Do not lie about any of these answers under any circumstance

You stated earlier that you had some sort of investigative ability, and that you had 2 results. You also stated this was not caused by a geass or knightmare ability.

Can you confirm whether the above;
-IS TRUE
-AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES/RESULTS of said ability are

Another question:
Did you silently pm the GM about your hat, or did your hat default?

I claimed to have a non-geass / non-knightmare ability and who my targets were, but did not state it is an investigative. In fact it is not primarily investigative, though its effects can be used indirectly for that purpose depending on circumstances. The ability can still currently be used for its primary purpose, and I'd like to keep that under wraps. If you really insist then fine, but I'll hold off...

I defaulted the hat color, having correctly guessed that it was a loverize and not wanting to get linked to scum that way.

[davesaz]

Peace Keeper. It's a role block that only blocks killing abilities.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Vecna

[davesaz]

Lies

[davesaz]

Davesaz is confirmed scum by a rolecop confirmed as town

This is either a lie or incorrect information.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Vecna

[davesaz]

1. I guarantee that whenever I use

Blue Violet (#8A2BE2)

as my color, there is no lie in that sentence. There are no lies in game opening posts or pm's.

What color did the mod use to confirm Vecna?

[davesaz]

EBWOP "confirm"

[davesaz]

Not gonna replace out because I believe in seeing things through, but I have no clue what's going on other than Vecna's info on me is incorrect.

[davesaz]

The possibility that mod could be geassed raises it to a whole new level.

[davesaz]

Should we just go ahead and (try to) flip McMenno? *The parenthetical (try to) in reference to nothing seems a sure thing in this game.

[davesaz]

VOTE: McMenno

[davesaz]

Sad nobody wanted to be loyal to me even after hinting it was a good thing. Though with my luck it would have been scum.
Did you release the "noble PT"? Or was there even one?