Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[Ircher]

I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.

I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.

I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.

Why are you voting for something you don't think town needs?

VOTE: TwoFace

Well hello scum.

I voted cause why not. Just cause I'm optimistic about not needing it, it's stupid to not ask for it.

Sorry guys. I tried.

VOTE: all alone

I will admit that Twoface did catch something here that is worth noting.

[TwoFace]

Of course I did.

[Ircher]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.

Sorry I do not read other posts about Meta had picked from a game selection as it can lead to meta manipulation. this is also why my source for self meta is my Wiki page with all my mafia games as You can't fake your meta in every matchup. If that makes sense.

I am making a read list along side my readup now To post so people know my reads.

I'm not telling you to meta me. I'm telling you to read the first 5 pages as I feel it is relevant.

I did and I didn't see the connection.

[-Grey-]

BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?

What's with the lynchbait paranoia?

It's like you're afraid of getting on the wrong wagon.

VOTE: Alisae

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Is there anything wrong with me not wanting to get on the wrong wagon?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there anything wrong with me not wanting to get on the wrong wagon?

It seems you are hedging your bet to me, though.

[-Grey-]

Is there anything wrong with me not wanting to get on the wrong wagon?

You should be concerned with finding scum, not what your vote looks like or can be analyzed as.

[Alisae]

Also when it comes to the lynchbaits, if they are being lynch bait, I wanna pay attention to who votes them.

Also I'm currently on the Asphodel wagon if you haven't noticed.

[Alisae]

Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.

[All Alone]

Why not when it's a deadline extension?

Personally, I don't generally think more time is pro-town. If it were, chat and face-to-face mafia would have much higher scum winrates than forum mafia. I think stagnation is a bigger problem for towns on MS than the deadline is, so I don't want to vote for a deadline extension.

(Admittedly, this is my first time playing on MS in juuuust over a year, and I'm aware the meta may have shifted, but for now I'm trusting my own experience.)

Regardless, I'm interested in the pro-town motivation for TwoFace voting for a deadline extension if he doesn't think it'll help town.

Where did I say it wouldn't help town? Citation needed.

I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.

[-Grey-]

Also I'm currently on the Asphodel wagon if you haven't noticed.

Why should I care about that?

Twice now, you made a huge show of avoiding "lynchbait". I don't see town putting so much work into worrying about appearances.

[Ircher]

@All Alone --> Needing and being helpful are two different things.

[Alisae]

Because that's the dude who I think is scum?

[-Grey-]

Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.

Why, though? Town often makes superficial cases on d1 because there isn't anything more substantial to build a case around when the game is just getting started.

Your actions are a lot scumread than Ircher's. He's scumhunting. You're coming across as angling.

[-Grey-]

SC

[-Grey-]

Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.

Why, though? Town often makes superficial cases on d1 because there isn't anything more substantial to build a case around when the game is just getting started.

Your actions are a lot scummier than Ircher's. He's scumhunting. You're coming across as angling.

Edit.

[Alisae]

Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.

Why, though? Town often makes superficial cases on d1 because there isn't anything more substantial to build a case around when the game is just getting started.

Your actions are a lot scummier than Ircher's. He's scumhunting. You're coming across as angling.

Edit.

This is becuase quite frankly I haven't had as much time to quickly do things at the moment. But I can see where you're coming from.

[TwoFace]

Why not when it's a deadline extension?

Personally, I don't generally think more time is pro-town. If it were, chat and face-to-face mafia would have much higher scum winrates than forum mafia. I think stagnation is a bigger problem for towns on MS than the deadline is, so I don't want to vote for a deadline extension.

(Admittedly, this is my first time playing on MS in juuuust over a year, and I'm aware the meta may have shifted, but for now I'm trusting my own experience.)

Regardless, I'm interested in the pro-town motivation for TwoFace voting for a deadline extension if he doesn't think it'll help town.

Where did I say it wouldn't help town? Citation needed.

I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.

thanks for proving I'm right. I didn't notice an apology though. Why not?

[Alisae]

Reads. Feel free to ask me about them.
{Gamma, Human Sequencer, me} <--- I don't wanna lynch these.
{Naomi-Tan}
{Grey}
{Everyone else} <-- Null
{Ircher}
{Asphodel} <-- Lynch Pool

[-Grey-]

Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.

Why, though? Town often makes superficial cases on d1 because there isn't anything more substantial to build a case around when the game is just getting started.

Your actions are a lot scummier than Ircher's. He's scumhunting. You're coming across as angling.

Edit.

This is becuase quite frankly I haven't had as much time to quickly do things at the moment. But I can see where you're coming from.

This post doesn't look like a town walk-back.

I'm calling your second highest scumread townier than you due to actions you are scumreading them for, and you "can see where I'm coming from"?

Nah, I'm not buying that.

[Alisae]

Um, I think he's scum because of how he tried to push you.

[-Grey-]

Um, I think he's scum because of how he tried to push you.

But you had no problem with me calling him, your scumread, townier than you, confirmed town (to you), over that same push.

You're too worried about giving off a scummy reaction so you are trying to appease.

[Alisae]

Have you ever thought that Ircher is pretending to scumhunt?

[Rainbowdash]

You all need to post less. This much in a day is nearing a point where its just anti-town in nature for those of us who have a regular job and cant be online 24-7. Currently a third of the game has less than ten posts, and likely as with me don't have the time to be effective in a 15 page a day game. Some people can only really give an hour or two a day to playing, and when all of that time is spent getting caught up on all of this you are going to create an oversaturation of information on a few players and leave the bar on entry at others so high that you are going to get next to zero content. I can normally read at work, but a phone and hooves? That isn't conducive to being able to play the game.

That just needs to be said. Say in it less words. Let other ponies get a chance to say things. Posting this much is an anti-town practice when a third of the game is essentially eliminated from the picture because of it, and a fast paced game is by FAR the easiest thing for scum to be able to manipulate because there tends to be far more impulsive acts. I will see if I can find a game from a few years back that I am remembering where town basically lost what should have been a cakewalk win because they sped the game up way too fast and scum took advantage of it.

Trying to get caught up and something substantial out when cooking now.