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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:16 pm

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VOTE: Massive

We should scumhunt the other thread when it opens and stick those thoughts in SPOILER= tags when it opens.

Mod: Why are some names different than others? Mod confirmed hated/loved?
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Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:38 pm

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In post 12, Vince McMahon wrote:
In post 9, Titus wrote:VOTE: Massive

We should scumhunt the other thread when it opens and stick those thoughts in SPOILER= tags when it opens.
Unless you have an ability that allows you to, you cannot post into the other thread
Mod: Why are some names different than others?
I don't understand this question. Like why did I mention William Regal and Booker T? They were characters in this game until I cut the roster short for the amount of players. I've used them to create the flavorful start.

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Spoiler: Hey Other Thread
RVS sucks, but it is the best we have.


I was not advocating direct posting in that thread.

As for my other question, I will rephrase.

Why does Tywin have 0/6 beside his name and Creature hace 0/8, while the rest of the thread is 0/7
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Post Post #86 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:24 am

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In post 85, MariaR wrote:If this doesn't look sketchy af lol
Inclined to agree but i need to do a deeper read when I finish court. First blush says Alban town too
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Post Post #111 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:19 am

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Of course Creature is trolling, the question is why. Exposing him as a troll made reading newbies much more difficult as they would be more inclined to believe it.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:28 am

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In post 112, Creature wrote:Who are the newbies?
Anyone with a join date of late 2016.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:32 am

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In post 114, alban wrote:
In post 111, Titus wrote:Of course Creature is trolling, the question is why. Exposing him as a troll made reading newbies much more difficult as they would be more inclined to believe it.
Hah!
Guess my green garb is visible.
Totally to me. I can see it.

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Post Post #118 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:33 am

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In post 116, Vifam wrote:VOTE: Titus
Well hello to you too.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:52 am

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I would rather cry like a baby face than answer that.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:54 am

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I'd suppose the same as everyone elses. Fancy hammer.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:55 am

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Spoiler: Other Game
McMenno Probably town.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:59 am

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Yeah. We can. We just cannot post in their thread.

I find it will be immensely helpful in catching scum. We should just spoiler so no confusion happens. No one knows if they'll read it, but nothing stops us from being a massive dead chat for their game.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:59 am

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You really think scum can fake hunting in two threads? No. They cannot.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:15 am

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In post 138, Creature wrote:So far my townreads: alban, IAI, Titus

UNVOTE:

Why IaI? I am having trouble figuring out whether his push on you is stupid or scum.

What do you think of Vicam's vote on me?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:16 am

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In post 137, Creature wrote:Will focus scumhunting here, if the other thread town screws up, hopefully I am not traded.
Are you saying you won't comment on the other thread? O.o
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Post Post #145 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:24 am

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In post 144, Creature wrote:
In post 76, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 14, Creature wrote:Meh, I was given the ability to check anyone's role PM, but I am too lazy right now. Though, I could check yours if you ask me.
Feel free to check mine, cause I don't get it.
I need words.

Spoiler: Raw
Narna's my homebody. Flag me if you want input please.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:26 am

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VOTE: Pepto
Spoiler: Raw -Kmd
Why do you feel Pepto is scum?


Creature, I will go along for now but I will have my eye on him. Let's sort Pepto?
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Post Post #149 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:27 am

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In post 147, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Spoiler: Raw
TB seems town currently.
BTW flag me down if you need a badass motherfucker to help settle the score.
You seem awfully tone sheepy.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:29 am

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Creature, I think MariaR is town for the same reason McMenno is.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:09 am

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In post 166, Tywin Lannister wrote:Can we all make it a player rule and state that if we are going to base a read on a player in Smackdown by a player in Raw, we give that reason? Don't assume all Smackdown players will be on top of everything going on in Raw, or vice versa. It's a nice thought, but it probably is an untenable expectation.
Not yet. I need to finish reading RAW before I give a reason if I can.
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Post Post #187 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:15 am

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In post 178, Creature wrote:RAW is two pages long -_-
Yeah. I am done. In a little while I will comment but if Grey did what I think he did, #mindmeld, announcing why I read things the way I do changes the dynamic.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:16 am

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VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Pepto

Leave my mason buddy alone.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:29 am

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In post 189, MariaR wrote:I wanna be your mason buddy ;-;
Find your way to the moon and we can. I still TR you.

Spoiler: Raw
Death is probably scum. He isn't expressing much of a read on TB, yet he ends the finishing move. The reaction can tell a lot.

TB is probably town due to not automatically trying to murder McMenno but sort the game. McMenno is likely town due rapid use of finishing move. Same with Grey.

Banana Mint gets awesome points for 28.

Leonshade is prolly scum.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 am

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The rules have player swaps Maria. During night, you can be swapped to the other thread.

If we get all scum here, we win I think.


Spoiler: McMenno
OMGUSing is different than what Gamma did. I see confbiased analysis. Namely, that your behavior is scum, when it is townie.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 196, Gamma Emerald wrote:Grey's moves were fake. That's why I used a real move on him.
Not buying this.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 218, Creature wrote:Early guess:

Gamma Emerald - MariaR - Vifam/Massive
You never did answer what you thought of Vifam's vote on me.

I would take out MariaR and put in Pepto. Not likely the shade coming from him.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:05 am

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In post 223, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 221, MariaR wrote:I don't know how :3
You vote the attacker (Grey in this case)
Yeah, you need to sweat for awhile for OMGUSing obvtown.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 227, MariaR wrote:Titusss why do you tr meeeeeeee
You have zero interest in survival and your confusion reads genuine as fuck.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 235, MariaR wrote:
In post 233, Titus wrote:
In post 227, MariaR wrote:Titusss why do you tr meeeeeeee
You have zero interest in survival and your confusion reads genuine as fuck.
What makes you think I have no interest in survival o-o
When you told me to fuck off regarding reading the other thread.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:15 am

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In post 245, MariaR wrote:I can't tell if the sub stops if you vote or lynch...let's test it!
VOTE: Grey
This is why we cannot be mason buddies. :/
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Post Post #266 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:20 am

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I was totally trying to explain that. :facepalm:
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Post Post #267 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:21 am

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In post 265, -Grey- wrote:
In post 258, Tywin Lannister wrote:I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Why stop that there? Could have waited at least a few hours.

Screw it.

619 MariaR


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Break that up.
I approve.
I sorta approve. I tr Maria but others need to see it.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:34 am

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Really tempted just to finish Kain Tepes.

I don't want to deal with people who do not read the thread/pretend not to.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:09 am

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Yeah, just realize Grey is highly prob town or extremely suicidal. :/
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Post Post #309 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:09 am

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No wait Tywin barred Maria...
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Post Post #314 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:16 am

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MariaR? For me?
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Post Post #318 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 317, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 233, Titus wrote:
In post 227, MariaR wrote:Titusss why do you tr meeeeeeee
You have zero interest in survival and your confusion reads genuine as ****.
Read 1843
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Post Post #321 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:21 am

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In post 320, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 318, Titus wrote:
In post 317, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 233, Titus wrote:
In post 227, MariaR wrote:Titusss why do you tr meeeeeeee
You have zero interest in survival and your confusion reads genuine as ****.
Read 1843
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Ok, let's try again, have you ever played with scum Maria before?
I cannot answer this because of the ongoing games rule.

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Post Post #324 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:22 am

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In post 322, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 252, MariaR wrote:HAHAHAA THOSE ARE POINTLESS THEN
Yeah I'm not so sure. I'm starting to think it may be in town's best interest to have a self imposed deadline of more than 48 hours from the real deadline. Esp as the game goes on...
Why?
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Post Post #327 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:24 am

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In post 323, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 321, Titus wrote:
In post 320, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 318, Titus wrote:
In post 317, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 233, Titus wrote:
In post 227, MariaR wrote:Titusss why do you tr meeeeeeee
You have zero interest in survival and your confusion reads genuine as ****.
Read 1843
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Ok, let's try again, have you ever played with scum Maria before?
I cannot answer this because of the ongoing games rule.

Can you be more narrow? Find a post that matches the tone?
I'll look for some in 1843 when I have some time. Scum Maria is pretty good tho, don't discount things that might seem like "zero interest in survival and...confusion"
Fair enough.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:25 am

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In post 195, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 188, Titus wrote:VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Pepto

Leave my mason buddy alone.
That's not how saving someone works, by the way.

I'm already voting Grey and tbh I'm kinda OK with my vote there. The finishing moves seemed like an awkward ploy to me.

Creature is probably scum too.

IaI and Titus are probably town.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:26 am

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In post 328, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 267, Titus wrote:
In post 265, -Grey- wrote:
In post 258, Tywin Lannister wrote:I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Why stop that there? Could have waited at least a few hours.

Screw it.

619 MariaR


Armbar MariaR


Break that up.
I approve.
I sorta approve. I tr Maria but others need to see it.
This makes no sense.
When you're as old as I am, you find smacking people over the head when they are not open to it doesn't go well.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:31 am

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In post 333, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 312, Creature wrote:alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me
Why am I being grouped with alban and Titus?
Creature is trying to townblock the hood.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:32 am

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In post 312, Creature wrote:alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me
Spoiler: Other Thread
Who do y'all think we should consider in our block?
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Post Post #339 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:33 am

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In post 336, Gamma Emerald wrote:HOOD???
I am calling this thread a hood, for lack of a better term for this set.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:35 am

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In post 338, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 324, Titus wrote:
In post 322, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 252, MariaR wrote:HAHAHAA THOSE ARE POINTLESS THEN
Yeah I'm not so sure. I'm starting to think it may be in town's best interest to have a self imposed deadline of more than 48 hours from the real deadline. Esp as the game goes on...
Why?
Still thinking it through, but imagine a LyLo game, 4 town and 3 scum, and the 3 scum all silence someone different (cancelling vote) close to the deadline (within 48 hours). Force a no lynch, kill at night, auto win.
Accurate, but that's true for lylo only, unless you want to establish a no wait until deadline habit
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Post Post #344 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:36 am

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In post 340, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 334, Titus wrote:
In post 333, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 312, Creature wrote:alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me
Why am I being grouped with alban and Titus?
Creature is trying to townblock the hood.
It's pretty weird that one of my scum reads is trying to form a town bloc with my top scum read despite not having any meaningful interactions between them.
Pronoun confusion.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:37 am

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In post 335, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 329, Titus wrote:
In post 195, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 188, Titus wrote:VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Pepto

Leave my mason buddy alone.
That's not how saving someone works, by the way.

I'm already voting Grey and tbh I'm kinda OK with my vote there. The finishing moves seemed like an awkward ploy to me.

Creature is probably scum too.

IaI and Titus are probably town.
Why are your reads terribad?
What a strange question, considering I had you as a town read.

I'll give you another chance to rephrase.
Why are you scumreading obvtown Creature and Grey? Like really...
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Post Post #349 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:40 am

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In post 348, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 344, Titus wrote:
In post 340, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 334, Titus wrote:
In post 333, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 312, Creature wrote:alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me
Why am I being grouped with alban and Titus?
Creature is trying to townblock the hood.
It's pretty weird that one of my scum reads is trying to form a town bloc with my top scum read despite not having any meaningful interactions between them.
Pronoun confusion.
Creature, and Grey.
Do you think that you have to ask questions to read someone?

I still don't know why you scumread creature?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:10 pm

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In post 351, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 348, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 344, Titus wrote:
In post 340, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 334, Titus wrote:
In post 333, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 312, Creature wrote:alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me
Why am I being grouped with alban and Titus?
Creature is trying to townblock the hood.
It's pretty weird that one of my scum reads is trying to form a town bloc with my top scum read despite not having any meaningful interactions between them.
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Creature, and Grey.
Can you give a brief reason why you SR them?

Honestly, the only one I could convince myself is scum RN is grey, largely due to having the same abilities as me. It doesn't make a ton of sense for town to have two players with dayvig/vote block abilities. I know my alignment, so I could see grey being the opposite. Then again, I can see him also being town, since scum probably have night actions over day due to also having NKs. It's a balance issue more than anything. Will be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Barring something major, I won't be voting for creature or grey today. I just don't see it.

So what are the reasons for the SRs? I understand how you'd be wary of a town bloc this early, but it isn't as if it can't change in the future, and I see them as TRs currently.
Everyone has the finishing manuevers.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 353, MariaR wrote:Can I use finishing moves when I'm in an armbar?
I don't think I would
Gamma did..i think. Mod Error confuses that.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:23 pm

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In post 355, MariaR wrote:
In post 354, Titus wrote:
In post 353, MariaR wrote:Can I use finishing moves when I'm in an armbar?
I don't think I would
Gamma did..i think. Mod Error confuses that.
I'm tempted to stop you from voting
Why?
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Post Post #362 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:23 pm

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In post 357, Creature wrote:zefiend is town, the townblock is complete.
Slight problem...he doesn't townread you
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Post Post #368 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 364, MariaR wrote:
In post 361, Titus wrote:
In post 355, MariaR wrote:
In post 354, Titus wrote:
In post 353, MariaR wrote:Can I use finishing moves when I'm in an armbar?
I don't think I would
Gamma did..i think. Mod Error confuses that.
I'm tempted to stop you from voting
Why?
You seem the most likely one to break me out of the move.
I'd pref someone else do it see if gamma holds up to what he says or if someone else tr's me enough to break it
you breaking it seems wasteful
You are totally on a different moon than me.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:39 pm

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In post 367, Creature wrote:
In post 362, Titus wrote:
In post 357, Creature wrote:zefiend is town, the townblock is complete.
Slight problem...he doesn't townread you
Yeah, there'll always have someone scumreading me, I think I never got any game I wasn't scumread besides night stuff.

But whatever, they're wrong, they'll most likely be ignored, then I'll die at night and, unfortunately, everybody will forget about me.
I would feel better about this if we all townread each other.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 pm

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Vicam, that's three times you've nakedly said to vote me. Twice on this page alone. Why?

Why Gamma?

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Post Post #392 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:02 pm

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In post 388, Vifam wrote:Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere
I am a her.

You were calling for my naked lynch prior to my Grey townread. Second, Grey is obvtown for how he used his abilities today. Third, Grey has been interfering with Gamma, who you claim is your other scumread. This post makes grammatical sense, but not logical sense.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:09 pm

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#annoyedwCreature

I am stepping out now. May check in tonight.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:55 pm

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In post 426, Vifam wrote:Yeah but Im not in a situation where I have to give the other game any real attention so
Why? There's only two major reasons I can think of for this.

1) You're scum with whomever the GM or GMs are so they can structure it where you do not leave.
2) You already know who scum are in the other land so you don't need read.

Both possibilities lead me to scum. Your posture here is much different than Maria, who reacted as if it was busiwork and differring playstyles. Yet, the pair of you seem awkwardly close. You both are attacking Grey as well which irks me. The stretches to vote me and the awkward declaration of a tunnel vote do not make sense.

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Post Post #452 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:19 am

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Spoiler: Vifam attacking/discrediting Grey
In post 388, Vifam wrote:Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere
In post 401, Vifam wrote:
Titus wrote:
In post 388, Vifam wrote:Titus just feels off tbh

Mostly his townread on Grey is bad, he's called him obv town more than once but for what? Grey hasn't really done anything to warrant that type of read, it seems like something pulled out of nowhere
I am a her.

You were calling for my naked lynch prior to my Grey townread. Second, Grey is obvtown for how he used his abilities today. Third, Grey has been interfering with Gamma, who you claim is your other scumread. This post makes grammatical sense, but not logical sense.
Idk I think that's an exaggeration all I did was vote you

I don't think Grey's abilities mean anything with the time limit attached, scum are most likely not going to bus and will break the finisher anyway so it doesn't really mean anything. At this point we aren't at an agreed consensus on anyone so scum have nothing to lose if they wanna save a buddy unless the player just scummed all over themselves.


idk how Grey and Gamma interacting has anything to do with this
In post 412, Vifam wrote:Anyone actively trying to scumhunt in Raw right now is probably scum


Hey IaI, it likely moved to Grey for such sins as suggesting the other thread scumhunt, using his power, and being my moon mason buddy. I will check the votes to verify.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #59) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:21 am

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Nah, the only "similar" voter is Zefiend and but Zefiend never submitted a vote on Alban.

KainTepes and Grey just left.
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Post Post #454 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:23 am

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Based on wagon moves, I kinda wanna wagon Vifam/Pepto but my internal monolouge is sounding a bit circle jerky.

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Post Post #455 (isolation #61) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:25 am

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Why Maria, I had her as town, but do you think Maria agency captured Vifam? Where is my scumread for breathing? :-p [joke tone at end]
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Post Post #458 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:27 am

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Yeah, considering Grey and I are gelling, I am not buying that. Who else is scum? Why is Nero scumreading you?
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Post Post #463 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:36 am

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In post 461, MariaR wrote:Please tell me what is so obv town about Grey
Our mind meld. Deal with it. Every single move he has done, I like. Please tell me why you are conviently scumreading the wagon with votes parked from RVS after Creature announces his townblock and why I shouldn't scumread that? Why you seem to be more pissed that I townread Grey than caring about the reason underneath, as indicated by your snark, then asking why? Why do you insinuate that two slots in lock step and jump to partners, rather than Grey buddying me? Do you have a legitimate interest in sorting me, or just pushing a convienent wagon?

Considering RAW is so short, do you have thoughts there?

Pedit: And now a random attack on Creature and turning on the Grey wagon...
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Post Post #464 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:39 am

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Ok IAI, I can do Maria.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:56 am

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I am in 100% agreement on the vote on Vifam. That's why I moved mine. Both you and Vifam have encouraged not commenting on the RAW thread. At first, I thought you were just being lazy, but it appears you have read the thread. So why are you avoiding and discouraging active comments on the RAW thread? Grey's points about preventing vocal scum from dominating one thread by having players read both are spot on.

If Grey's finishing move was "utter trash", why did you not say so when I called Grey my mason buddy. Instead, you claimed you wanted to be my mason buddy in .

In 219, you grab popcorn in response to Grey's attack.

Now that Grey's got votes and fights back his moves are trash? Then in 245, you vote Grey as a "rules test" again, not complaining about his action.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:57 am

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In post 481, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 463, Titus wrote:
In post 461, MariaR wrote:Please tell me what is so obv town about Grey
Our mind meld. Deal with it. Every single move he has done, I like. Please tell me why you are conviently scumreading the wagon with votes parked from RVS after Creature announces his townblock and why I shouldn't scumread that? Why you seem to be more pissed that I townread Grey than caring about the reason underneath, as indicated by your snark, then asking why? Why do you insinuate that two slots in lock step and jump to partners, rather than Grey buddying me? Do you have a legitimate interest in sorting me, or just pushing a convienent wagon?

Considering RAW is so short, do you have thoughts there?

Pedit: And now a random attack on Creature and turning on the Grey wagon...
You know he could be buddying you
I don't think it would be this organic and natural.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:04 am

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In post 487, MariaR wrote:
In post 482, Titus wrote:I am in 100% agreement on the vote on Vifam. That's why I moved mine. Both you and Vifam have encouraged not commenting on the RAW thread. At first, I thought you were just being lazy, but it appears you have read the thread. So why are you avoiding and discouraging active comments on the RAW thread? Grey's points about preventing vocal scum from dominating one thread by having players read both are spot on.

If Grey's finishing move was "utter trash", why did you not say so when I called Grey my mason buddy. Instead, you claimed you wanted to be my mason buddy in .

In 219, you grab popcorn in response to Grey's attack.

Now that Grey's got votes and fights back his moves are trash? Then in 245, you vote Grey as a "rules test" again, not complaining about his action.
I assumed you were joking with the mason thing so I felt no need to comment on it.
I grabbed popcorn cause gamma was the one getting attacked
I didn't have a problem with the move until I re read to see how out of place and sudden it felt when I was reading Grey's iso for anything redeeming.
I found nothing
SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS 1 VOTE WILL BREAK THE VIG CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT
I believe the mod said so. Gamma also said so
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In post 221, MariaR wrote:I don't know how :3
You vote the attacker (Grey in this case)
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Post Post #494 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:04 am

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In post 489, Vifam wrote:
In post 480, Creature wrote:Okay, we have a town!Vifam.
You guys are so lucky
Disagree.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:07 am

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In post 495, Vifam wrote:Disagree with me being town or are you insulting me
With you being town. I don't see how you wouldn't interpret the posts I quoted as attacks on Grey if town.

Then again, if you aren't pushing Grey to lynch, what have you been doing the entire thread other than objecting to hunting both threads?
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Post Post #502 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:11 am

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In post 496, MariaR wrote:Oh my god I forgot gamma even told me that...dam LOL
Your "minds meld" comment is very weak and holds nothing to the convo at all
Grey hasn't town told and you haven't showed me evidence of doing so.
VOTE: Maria

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Post Post #503 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:12 am

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In post 499, Vifam wrote:I don't think I've ever gave my opinion on Grey aside from him using his finisher not being an alignment indicative
Did you read the posts I quoted?
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Post Post #511 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:23 am

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Creature, it hasn't slipped my mind. I am surprised Nero hasn't scumread me just on impulse. Since Grey thinks like I do, I would expect a scumread there too. Yet, nothing. Sorting his suggestion seems the best way to sort him for now. If Maria is town, then his response increases in sketchiness. ABR liked to do the same RP opening as scum. On the other hand, I think he'd just push me if scum and I don't want to be in a rut where Nero must vote me in RVS to be town.

Maria does seem to be cracking under pressure though. Her inconsitencies and dismissiveness of my responses don't seem town.

I have my eye on it at the moment. It is wierd but I think Nero and IaI are correct here.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:25 am

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You not liking my answer is not a dodge. You trying to sell it as such is dismissive, as I said.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:33 am

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Spoiler: Raw
Y'all should push Dodge. He dismantled McMenno's death vote really early on, making the flail much harder to detect and he's arguing cross thread talk is anti-town at this point. That plus the dead status in your game would likely keep your game dead, which serves a scum benefit.


Again, not liking the fact I agree with everything Grey has said is not refusing to answer. It's you wanting a different one.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:39 am

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Then, try to sell my answer as fake then. My only expansion would be quoting Grey's ISO and saying there are two of my brain here.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:47 am

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His thoughts = my thoughts. We are in sync. There's no two ways to say that, despite you spamming as such. I have told you three times your request is impossible. The reasons you "scumread" Grey are a load of contradictions. You are shading me yet simultaneously looking for an avenue to crack my mason read with Grey. Not happening.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:54 am

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Maria, I know you're reading RAW. What are your thoughts there.

I don't see how you can be confused by mind meld, he takes the words out of my mouth, I agree with everything he says or anything else. IaI has asked me to watch your behavior all game, Nero asked to pressure you, so I followed up. That also shouldn't be "confusing". Right now, you're trying for cute adorable kitten defense, but that doesn't wirk on me.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:01 am

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Spoiler: Raw
Dodge is pushing someone for having little explanation, and their last post is post 20.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:05 am

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You feel my read is unnatural. Deal with it. The truth isn't going change. You cannot ask the same question 6 or 7 times and expect a different answer. It makes me feel you NEED a different answer. I am ignoring any rephrases of "explain your townread".

You can be nice, but posts like the 12 year old MariaR jumping into a pit full of wrestlers looks like cute kitten defense to me.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:13 am

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Spoiler: Nero
Each thread has a lynch. You can lynch someone and we can too if I understand correctly.

What are your thoughts on Dodge? I asked and zero thoughts from you.

IaI and I had a discussion about MariaR, her meta, and watching her. I couldn't answer his meta questions due to rules, but he did ask me to look into her, so I would call that a "push".

*Shakes her no cowboy hat at Nero* I don't think growing up is the problem. I need to grow down and stop being no fun Titus.

Just the laser beams in my eyes make it hard.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #81) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:15 am

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In post 531, MariaR wrote:It wasn't trying to be a defense I was just posting a thought that made me giggle if you think it's a kitten defense then so be it
I wish you brought that up earlier
and yes I am dealing with it I'm now explaining my actions is all.

Let's move on from Grey since that's clearly not going anywhere
Who else do you seem to be tring
Creature, Tywin are big ones. Zefiend and Alban are weaker ones.

Who are you tr and sring? Why only ask about my trs?
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Post Post #538 (isolation #82) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:18 am

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I forgot tr IaI.

Why do your srs just match up with the town block who recognizes each other?

You listed scumreads on Creature, Grey, myself, IaI. You have also sred Gamma too if not mistaken. Just who don't you scumread?
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Post Post #539 (isolation #83) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:19 am

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Pedit, Creature's town to you now?
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Post Post #544 (isolation #84) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:21 am

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Great, well then what are you doing to progress the game forward Gamma? What are your reads?

How can you be townreading MariaR forgetting/ignoring about you?
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Post Post #548 (isolation #85) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:35 am

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In post 547, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 544, Titus wrote:Great, well then what are you doing to progress the game forward Gamma? What are your reads?

How can you be townreading MariaR forgetting/ignoring about you?
My reads are still in development, but I agree with Maria that IaI attacked below the belt with the "don't townread her she's good as scum" comment.
I don't see why forgetting I said something is scummy.
When it justified her action?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #86) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:36 am

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That type of comment from IaI is one I get all the time, so I don't see how it is below the belt.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #87) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:36 am

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In post 549, Gamma Emerald wrote:What action?
Her original vote on Grey.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #88) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:39 am

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In post 552, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 551, Titus wrote:
In post 549, Gamma Emerald wrote:What action?
Her original vote on Grey.
I think she
Saw it
Acted based on it
Forgot about it
And has been tunnelling Grey ever since?

If her vote was just to test things, where is her investigation? Why not unvote once the test worked?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #89) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:40 am

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If something sets off a tunnel from me, I am going to remember what it is.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #90) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:43 am

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In post 545, MariaR wrote:Titus why didn't you bring up the Kitten defense thing if that was an issue for you so we would've talked on it because it just looks like you're trying to throw dirt my way
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. When I reanalyzed + your inconsistent responses, I wanted to give you an opportunity to explain 429.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #91) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:47 am

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The cute kitten defense is deliberately shit posting cute things to get people to overlook being scummy.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:48 am

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In post 556, MariaR wrote:I couldn't unvote him because I didn't have a choice
Where would your vote be if you had a choice?
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Post Post #565 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:57 am

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I am going to bed. Peace out.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #94) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:19 am

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No finished games on this site, Tywin.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #95) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:25 am

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Yeah, Vicam you're not even addressing what I quoted after multiple opportunities to do so. All you're doing is crowing that me highlighting your inconsistencies and ignoring my questions as to what you're doing.

I asked you what those posts were if not attacking/discrediting Grey. Rather than respond, you are just repeating me questioning you and Maria is scummy.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #96) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:27 am

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Are you caught up Tywin?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #97) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:36 am

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In post 594, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 591, Titus wrote:Are you caught up Tywin?
Yes
Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?
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Post Post #600 (isolation #98) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:36 am

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In post 598, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 585, Vifam wrote:I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird
It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?
He was voting Grey for awhile if I am not mistaken.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #99) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:37 am

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Nope. Mistaken there.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #100) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:43 am

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In post 602, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 596, Gamma Emerald wrote:quote it I don't see it
Don't see what? Where MariaR listed 3 scum? Last sentence gives 3 lynch targets. Kinda the same thing. It's not 4 and it's not 2, and those three names are all TRs for each other. Does this not look like a team vs team fight? You/MariaR/Vifam TR each other (and broke each other's submissions), while Titus/grey/Creature TR each other and want to form a Town Bloc. Kinda obvious IMO.
In post 472, MariaR wrote:The only thing pissing me off is people hold me to a higher standard because I'm "really good at scum" "don't tr Maria cause shes good as scum" wtf is that bs

Creature if you think anything I've done this game is scummy you're out of your mind
your reads don't feel genuine at all and you are pushing on lynch bait after lynch bait target

Let's lynch in Titus/Creature/Grey ty
I concur with is. I would just say it's Creature's townblock as a whole versus MariaR and Vifam who are scum. MariaR really started acting up at that point and the random comments on scumreading Pepto and Gamma seem out of left field.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:44 am

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I am nullish on Gamma for the record. Gamma doesn't seem to be trying to prove Maria as town but hasn't done much in thread.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:46 am

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In post 603, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 599, Titus wrote:
In post 594, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 591, Titus wrote:Are you caught up Tywin?
Yes
Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?
Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons
Well, we'll agree to disagree for now, with discussion later.

I just find Grey naturally thinks like I do.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:52 am

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In post 615, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 603, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 599, Titus wrote:
In post 594, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 591, Titus wrote:Are you caught up Tywin?
Yes
Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?
Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons
I concur with this concern FYI
Well I will try to keep an open mind here if you do the same. Given how unique my thought processes are, I could always test him in a few irl days and see what shakes.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #104) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:04 am

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We'll keep an eye on it and punt until we can discuss it.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:08 am

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I think at this point, I want to lynch one of Vifam and MariaR and ship the other out. Their should be various options though for Day 1. The choices the manager makes will determine their alignment. This is more about crafting the ideal group mechanic and getting a solid core going than anything else.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #106) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:17 am

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In post 628, Gamma Emerald wrote:The manager cannot select someont to send: they can only keep a person and attempt to recuit another.
That's right. I had it backwards.

We should focus on picking who we want to bring over and veto closer to lynch time.

Is there anyone over there we all feel good about?
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Post Post #632 (isolation #107) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:18 am

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Or should we bring over who we think is town but they would lynch?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #108) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:19 am

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Can the managers elect a no trade?
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Post Post #637 (isolation #109) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 632, Titus wrote:Or should we bring over who we think is town but they would lynch?
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Post Post #645 (isolation #110) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:36 am

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In post 644, ɀefiend wrote:GMs are not confirmed to be Town so why are y'all even speccing what they might possibly do?
Contain them.

If we have a solid town core, we can stop scum from fucking with it by telling the other manager to only take within a certain pool. They do the same for us. We assess the results to vet the various town leaders. Transferring players does alter the dynamics of the day phase. I can see scum wanting to rip Grey away from me for instance.

If the managers break the pool, we lynch them.

Spoiler: Hey RAW Leader
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Post Post #648 (isolation #111) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:40 am

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In post 647, Vifam wrote:What if both are scum
Both managers disregard pools? Then we lynch them both. The managers should be on top of that shit.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #112) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 661, Tywin Lannister wrote:I don't think submissions or breakups are AI, because there's too much WIFOM that goes with it. Scum won't let the submission go through on their buddies, and town may not let it happen to TRs. So it's all WIFOM. But to act like submissions do anything more than create discussion is just false. Scum would need to be pinpointed and vote blocked, and only then would a submission go through. Even with that, a regular lynch is the same thing if you already know who the scum are.
Are you talking about the managers here? I think the draft is particularly AI. I want to keep those I work well with. Scum will want to send buddies under suspicion and keep the players that aren't. We cannot do anything wiiiith it immediately...but it's good for later.

I don't know what you mean by broke submissions otherwise?
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Post Post #665 (isolation #113) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 663, -Grey- wrote:
In post 658, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 652, -Grey- wrote:
In post 603, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 599, Titus wrote:
In post 594, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 591, Titus wrote:Are you caught up Tywin?
Yes
Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?
Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons
This is unfair as all hell because I can't defend myself for the same reason you're throwing shade all over me.

Read my games since you like using content that can't be discussed.
I find it interesting that you will shade me due to ongoing, but when I suggest that you read my
other
games all you do is refer back to your backpedal post.

If you really wanted to sort me using ongoing, you would have done what I asked.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:24 am

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In post 666, -Grey- wrote:
In post 665, Titus wrote:
In post 663, -Grey- wrote:
In post 658, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 652, -Grey- wrote:
In post 603, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 599, Titus wrote:
In post 594, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 591, Titus wrote:Are you caught up Tywin?
Yes
Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?
Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons
This is unfair as all hell because I can't defend myself for the same reason you're throwing shade all over me.

Read my games since you like using content that can't be discussed.
I find it interesting that you will shade me due to ongoing, but when I suggest that you read my
other
games all you do is refer back to your backpedal post.

If you really wanted to sort me using ongoing, you would have done what I asked.
What games should we use?
Even mentioning the name would be breaking the rules because it would be commenting on the content by using it to defend my play.
Do you have a finished game on site?
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Post Post #669 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:28 am

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Oh that clusterfuck that makes me hate intent to hammer.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:34 am

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In post 671, -Grey- wrote:
In post 669, Titus wrote:Oh that clusterfuck that makes me hate intent to hammer.
That clusterfuck can't make you hate intent because you hated intent before that clusterfuck started.
I disliked it before. Now, I outright hate it.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:35 am

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In post 673, massive wrote:Titus if I say you're town, what does that make me?
Needing to post more. I also want to see reads and how you want to use your power.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:41 am

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In post 676, -Grey- wrote:
In post 674, Titus wrote:
In post 671, -Grey- wrote:
In post 669, Titus wrote:Oh that clusterfuck that makes me hate intent to hammer.
That clusterfuck can't make you hate intent because you hated intent before that clusterfuck started.
I disliked it before. Now, I outright hate it.
Why? How did claiming intent before hammering harm that game?
It's the ritual of bullshit. Ooh I said intent to hammer, so I can hammer any claim without discussion. The whole point of intent to hammer, is to get a claim to prevent stupid shit and scum fast hammers. That is why clams should be a l minus 1.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #119) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:46 am

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Thoughts on RAW and the swap?
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Post Post #682 (isolation #120) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:12 am

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In post 681, massive wrote:I'm reading Raw now. I did entertain the idea of grabbing someone obviously scum so we could just lynch them without having to argue amongst ourselves, but then I realized that was just making our job here harder. Ain't like I got a tag team partner over here. HOLLA IF YA FEEL ME! I'll probably try and get a pool of three or four playas and go from there. Also, the only way I'm taking McMenno is if they take Kain, so get that out yer head right now.
That's a decent idea. Let's go Six or Seven. We collaboratively as a town eliminate two. Then, RAW as a group eliminates two.
That will leave you a stack of two or three names to read you from. RAW's veto can make sure you don't cheat.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #121) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:16 am

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In post 683, MariaR wrote:wth more MATH?
*curls in a ball* ughhhh
Oh imagine if I was Double Trouble.

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Post Post #692 (isolation #122) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:29 am

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Talk to me about Gamma?

I presume you think Maria is buddying Vifam?
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Post Post #698 (isolation #123) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:41 am

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Spoiler: raw and Creature
Banana Mint is not a horrible flip. I am a little reluctant to fully endorse it though when All Alone isn't the paragon of activity himself, and there are others. I would also want the possibility of All Alone/Drone eliminated.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #124) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:53 pm

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I wanna try something. Probably will not work but for the lolz.

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Post Post #705 (isolation #125) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:57 pm

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The last was me being a total smartass based on RAW behavior.

I wish i could make up abilities for myself.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #126) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:44 pm

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It wasn't forbidden.
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Post Post #710 (isolation #127) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:46 pm

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I don't mind testing common sense.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #128) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:48 pm

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I got no clue what that means.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #129) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:07 pm

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We haven't reached a consensus about here. I don't see anyone here townreading DtS. Unless y'all decided to read that thread and magically grew townreads.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #130) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:21 pm

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In post 720, Creature wrote:Is Dodge suspected because of something particular I missed or just because his posts, in general, look like trying too hard?
Attempt to dismantle cross thread cooperation, shit read on Narna, disarmed trap against ThinkBig after like an hour. That's for starters.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #131) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:27 pm

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In post 724, Creature wrote:Meh, he's right, it's most likely you'll stay in the current brand than be transferred.
Each slot will, but the brands become prone to agency capture when threads don't talk.

He's not right on letting ThinkBig go to early.

On 53 and 80, he's attacking Narna for giving naked reads in RVS and tunnelling that.

107 is all sorts of wierd given I have never played with DtS, so I find it offputting he has expectations of my play.
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Post Post #734 (isolation #132) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:56 pm

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Gamma, what are your reads again? I know you think Maria and I are t v t...but then what?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #133) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:19 am

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You're trying to sell PoE as scummy Maria and that IaI scumclaimed. I am not buying either. Not to mention Grey is my mason buddy. :P
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Post Post #765 (isolation #134) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:24 am

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In post 761, MariaR wrote:
In post 758, Titus wrote:You're trying to sell PoE as scummy Maria and that IaI scumclaimed. I am not buying either. Not to mention Grey is my mason buddy. :P
No no
Making a townblock early in the game and adding yourself and players in it is scummy
PoE is fine I do it all the time
Did you see IaI's last post
that along with the low blow he did to me naaaaa
he can't even say why he sr's me so :roll:
I saw IaI's post. Don't get the big deal. Again, if your scumgame is respected, it's not a low blow for people to fear it. Illogical and anti-town, sure. He just happens to be right though.

Townblocking is public PoE.

Do you think Gamma is scum?
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Post Post #767 (isolation #135) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 766, MariaR wrote:
In post 765, Titus wrote:
In post 761, MariaR wrote:
In post 758, Titus wrote:You're trying to sell PoE as scummy Maria and that IaI scumclaimed. I am not buying either. Not to mention Grey is my mason buddy. :P
No no
Making a townblock early in the game and adding yourself and players in it is scummy
PoE is fine I do it all the time
Did you see IaI's last post
that along with the low blow he did to me naaaaa
he can't even say why he sr's me so :roll:
I saw IaI's post. Don't get the big deal. Again, if your scumgame is respected, it's not a low blow for people to fear it. Illogical and anti-town, sure. He just happens to be right though.

Townblocking is public PoE.

Do you think Gamma is scum?
No only because the people I sr sr gamma so that makes him town to me.
If you remove the associative stuff, would you scumread Gamma's play?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #136) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:35 am

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In post 750, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 748, Creature wrote:
In post 484, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 470, Creature wrote:Gamma + Maria + Pepto
Try again dumbass, look at the VC. This is idiotic. And why are you so sure there is 3 scum?
Btw I think this is a scumslip.
I noticed this too.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #137) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:36 am

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In post 770, MariaR wrote:Any other reads you wondering about?
Yeah, how you make that gamma read on this page make coherent sense.

Also, RAW reads.
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Post Post #774 (isolation #138) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:49 am

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In post 773, Creature wrote:
In post 771, Titus wrote:
In post 750, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 748, Creature wrote:
In post 484, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 470, Creature wrote:Gamma + Maria + Pepto
Try again dumbass, look at the VC. This is idiotic. And why are you so sure there is 3 scum?
Btw I think this is a scumslip.
I noticed this too.
Scumslip is a little strong here. It is off though. It's hyper defensive though.
By asking "why are you so sure there is 3 scum?" he's being ignorant. If you take a look at our win con, it suggests we're against only one faction.
Yes. His post implies there might be 4+ scum in an overtly melidramatic and awkward fashion rather than 2 factions. I think it's meant as sarcastic shade more than a scumslip.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #139) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:51 am

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Spoiler: Almost Chara -Let's talk swap
What do you think of my plan?Who do y'all want from here?
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Post Post #776 (isolation #140) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:14 am

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Yup, it's exactly about keeping blocks together.

There's three major useful strategies I see. The first is the swap back. If at all possible, we send the same person back and forth on two separate nights, barring lynch/murder on the mover. We know then that the number of scum in each thread cannot change but for a range of start+1 to start-1 which helps for PoE.

1) Swap obvtown from both threads. Our thread has what I feel is a solid townblock. Getting obvious town from there over here vets the townblock we have and the new entrant over there can lend a heelping hand.

2) Send the "annoying"/unreadable people back and forth. Not my favorite but maybe dynamics can change things.

3) Send scum suspects for verification. Danger.

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Post Post #778 (isolation #141) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:38 am

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If we do option 1, I would recommend you take Grey. He's largely townread but there are concerns about Grey budding me. Grey being separated from me would help determine Grey's alignment for everyone else. It would also be the least disruptive to our townblock I think.

3) If you are looking for a scumread, I would recommend one of Vifam/Gamma/MariaR/KainTepes. Although KainTepes might be more of a two option as he had not posted in awhile.


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Post Post #784 (isolation #142) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:52 am

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Creature, what do you think of sending Grey over?
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Post Post #786 (isolation #143) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:59 am

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I actually lose things by sending Grey over. Threads can openly be read, but the transfer would give Grey a method to prove he's town and alleviate concerns.

Who do you want sent over? Your objections apply to every slot and we must send someone over.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #144) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:41 am

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In post 795, ɀefiend wrote:I wish we could ship Maria over. Her interactions are all over the place. While I think she's town, she's not making it easy for me to sort people like Titus and Vifam.
Why do you think she's town? What you are describing is very proscum play?
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Post Post #799 (isolation #145) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:59 am

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Well I think by common sense scum would have anything universal to town. Beyond that, I don't think we can answer this or that we should try. All we would do is announce PR or not most likely.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #146) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:20 am

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Precisely why I picked Grey. He's obvtown, but has a few allegations of budding me. By taking him out of my group, we can stop scum from pushing that angle. Is there someone in your group that would serve the same function?
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Post Post #813 (isolation #147) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:27 am

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In post 801, MariaR wrote:Grey isn't obv town stop it Titus if were sending obv town over send zebrand
Why is Zefriend obvtown to you? His reads seem nowhere near in alignment with yours and you have had little to no interaction with him, plus he is part of the town block?
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Post Post #814 (isolation #148) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:29 am

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In post 812, massive wrote:First of all, be clear, we aren't SENDING anyone over, I am bringing someone here. Just me, playa. I'm willing to listen to suggestions but ultimately this decision is mine. My goal is to clear out scum from Smackdown and Smackdown only.

And right now I kinda like Nero's posts, Triple H would make some awesome main events you know.

And also don't forget I get to protect one of you from being drafted to Raw, and while I don't blame the Raw GM for wanting to draft a consensus townread, there's gonna be playas I want to keep here to ensure I have people who I can work with.
You don't send anyone over. We as a team can make suggestions, just like they can make suggestions for us. Having a united plan is all sorts of awesome.

So, if you could, who would you send?

Who do you want here?

Who do you scumread here?

Nero here would be interesting.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #149) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:35 am

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In post 815, -Grey- wrote:
In post 814, Titus wrote:Nero here would be interesting.
Hell no.
Why not?
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Post Post #822 (isolation #150) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:38 am

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In post 820, -Grey- wrote:
In post 819, Titus wrote:
In post 815, -Grey- wrote:
In post 814, Titus wrote:Nero here would be interesting.
Hell no.
Why not?
Because it's Nero. That's enough.
Well yeah, Nero and I don't really gel well and I would expect the same a little with you, that's not a reason to assume it's a bad idea. Prepare for the worst battle, hope we get along.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #151) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 821, Creature wrote:What about ThinkBig?
I would like someone with more substantial analysis provided in RAW.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #152) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 824, Creature wrote:I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.
Kmd?
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Post Post #829 (isolation #153) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 826, -Grey- wrote:Almost Chara would be fun to have over here.
That's their GM.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #154) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:46 am

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Mod: What happens if the GM is drafted?
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Post Post #837 (isolation #155) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:51 am

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Probably would result in random selection.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #156) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:58 am

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In post 813, Titus wrote:
In post 801, MariaR wrote:Grey isn't obv town stop it Titus if were sending obv town over send zebrand
Why is Zefriend obvtown to you? His reads seem nowhere near in alignment with yours and you have had little to no interaction with him, plus he is part of the town block?
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Post Post #848 (isolation #157) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:02 am

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In post 847, MariaR wrote:
In post 845, Titus wrote:
In post 813, Titus wrote:
In post 801, MariaR wrote:Grey isn't obv town stop it Titus if were sending obv town over send zebrand
Why is Zefriend obvtown to you? His reads seem nowhere near in alignment with yours and you have had little to no interaction with him, plus he is part of the town block?
I like his content.
So what if he's part of this townblock that isn't real. y-you r-really should stop acting like it is b-before something bad happens to you T-Titus I don't w-want you g-getting hurt on me :(
Is this a threat? Hurt on you?
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Post Post #849 (isolation #158) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:03 am

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What about his content do you like?
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Post Post #853 (isolation #159) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 852, Creature wrote:Can't think of any other caught scum. Who's most likely the third for Gamma and MariaR?
I'd say Vifam but I know you don't like that.

KainTepes?
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Post Post #858 (isolation #160) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 856, MariaR wrote:
In post 849, Titus wrote:What about his content do you like?
I like his tone and his posts.
Best way I can word it
Then why haven't you tried to sync reads with him?
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Post Post #860 (isolation #161) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:13 am

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Yeah, but ypu haven't been delving into his reads, listening, or interacting with him at all. :/
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Post Post #865 (isolation #162) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:29 am

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Are you hard TRing Kain Tepes?
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Post Post #872 (isolation #163) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:02 pm

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Your ISO should help. Just go to your last post.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #164) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:49 pm

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Tywin: At some points, you just meet someone and they type the words that you want to say. It's not something easy to prove at all. I get that because you cannot hold that in your hands I offerred up Grey to go to the other side.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #165) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:31 pm

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Luv, why?
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Post Post #941 (isolation #166) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:07 pm

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Tempted to just finishing move Kain Tepes.

This nonsense is impossible to read.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #167) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:10 pm

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Do any of y'all have a problem with that?[/b]
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Post Post #945 (isolation #168) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:10 pm

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Do any of y'all have a problem with that?
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Post Post #946 (isolation #169) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:11 pm

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In post 944, -Grey- wrote:Unfortunately there's no finishing move that stops someone from posting.

Is there?
No, but he's not posting much and what he does post is incoherent.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #170) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:13 pm

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In post 947, Vifam wrote:Why would Raw give a fuck about what happens to Kain in here
They should, if protown.

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Post Post #952 (isolation #171) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:18 pm

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In post 950, Vifam wrote:If you think he needs to be dealt with just deal with him asking for permission is weird
Anyone can end my trigger, which makes it pointless. I want someone to object before hand or have explaining to do. Plus, other people might have things to accomplish

This might be moot if Gamma is lynched though.

P-edit: Grey is right again about the shade, but that's Vifam's entire game so...
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Post Post #961 (isolation #172) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:36 pm

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In post 957, alban wrote:If everyone can voteblock, the above posts are NAI. If only babyfaces can voteblock, Gamma is a babyface.
The mod posts, and common sense suggest everyone can.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #173) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:57 pm

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Hey Dodge, your OMGUS is showing.

I have reads on most of both threads, and have pushed them for days.

Can you name my reads?
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Post Post #966 (isolation #174) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:15 pm

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I wouldn't mind going over. If Nero goes all Titus is scum/the worst player ever and spams the thread to where nothing can get done, we can just use a finishing move. I would outright suggest maybe me for Nero then but I recall some townie voices objecting to Nero.

I would want Tywin over here IMO. Twyin has concerns about me being agency captured by Grey. Separating me and Grey would be the best way to resolve those and set up Smackdown for the long haul, assuming none of us get killed.

I never really considered the scumteams not knowing each other but it makes sense. ;) Luckily, I hadn't done much in the way of cross thread associatives. I just think it equally makes sense that if the GM pushed to draft lurkers, we'd have a red flag situation that the GM wouldn't live through. I wouldn't call you an IC. I am a stickler for such labels. 1 town and one scum makes a lot, if there were scum at all makes sense. Both initial GMs being scum would make the game impossible.

I feel relatively confident you will make the right decision. I think scum might know each other and have chat because all my scumreads are like NO TALK and all the good guys want to communicate and stick together.

What do you think of Vifam, Dodge and Kain Tepes?.


@Massive, he has a pending finishing move on him. What do you think of A50s comments that I should treat you like an IC?
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Post Post #968 (isolation #175) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:29 pm

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I wasn't meaning our personal history. If I tunnel you everytime I am sorry. I know from being the victim of that, it can be annoying. I was meaning if you thought A50's analysis in the other thread is valid.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #176) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:42 pm

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Neither. It's more of a risk tolerance imo. At the start of the game, I favor swapping townreads one night and if they live, bring them back. This maintains the status quo regarding scum in each group. Yet, if one thread underperforms, we may need more risk. It's just we need to get you and A50 on the same page regarding what you'd do.

For instance, if you draft Player A, hoping they interact with Player B and A50 has the same goal, then you defeated each other's point.

Our goal is Smackdown; they are focused on RAW. They want universal townreads, so do we.

I do think you are right on timing. I am not sure if we can talk in twilight. We should check on that.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #177) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:17 am

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^^^ That's my main concern with lynching Gamma.

He was all about having me finish move on Kain Tepes, but now he's all KT is someone he doesn't want to lynch. I know this is wifoming though. He could say that knowing it would make me less likely to want to lynch Gamma.

I would prefer Maria.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #178) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:11 pm

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@Creature,

No. The goal is to draft townreads, not scumreads. I don't see any net positive from drafting MariaR. I scumread MariaR and Vifam. If A50 is right and the scumteams don't know each other, they can get that information. That would have a major negative impact. If A50 is wrong, then they would be free to puppy dog the other thread.

If one of my scumreads had to go, it would preferably be Vifam, so he has to do something other than shade me (which is probably why he doesn't want to read the other thread). Remember what I said. Scum struggle to scumhunt 1 thread. They will not scumhunt two.

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This is for you. Creature suggested drafting MariaR.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #179) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:12 pm

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In post 993, Creature wrote:So we:

Lynch Gamma
Have Almost Chara draft MariaR
Draft someone we're townreading but RAW aren't?
I think

Lynch Gamma
Draft Titus/Grey
Draft someone we townread but RAW are not.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #180) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 996, Creature wrote:Though, if Almost Chara is townreading MariaR, they're drafting a townread of them. If MariaR is scum, it'll actually benefit us.
I don't think so. A dead thread with 4 scum. If Almost Chara is scum, they can draft another scum to put us in a precarious situation.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #181) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 998, Creature wrote:Only if they decide to draft you there.
What? RAW cannot have 4 scum if I am drafted.
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #182) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:22 pm

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In post 371, Vifam wrote:I think Tywain/Maria/Zef are town idc about anyone else
In post 374, Vifam wrote:What does the armbar do to Maria?
In post 379, Vifam wrote:VOTE: Tywain
In post 402, Vifam wrote:Gamma is more of a gut read since I felt he was more aggressive in the last game we were playing and he was town but that's not concrete or anything
In post 418, Vifam wrote:
In post 416, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 412, Vifam wrote:Anyone actively trying to scumhunt in Raw right now is probably scum
Why is that a scummy thing?
It's unnecessary, we have a whole team of people already trying to find scum there. You have no vote there so why even waste your time on it right now when all the scum in here are alive. It feels more like a distraction scum can used to their advantage than aything
In post 420, Vifam wrote:Why would I care what they think they can't vote
In post 426, Vifam wrote:Yeah but Im not in a situation where I have to give the other game any real attention so
In post 430, Vifam wrote:My moves kinda suck
In post 431, Vifam wrote:I wanted to be Christian
In post 443, Vifam wrote:I'm not saying you shouldn't read the other game do what you want I can't stop you

But it's really not necessary at this stage of the game
In post 444, Vifam wrote:Like really unless you really feel like you're gonna die and you need to get your opinions out what's the point
In post 447, Vifam wrote:
In post 445, Tywin Lannister wrote:I mean... It is only 3 pages... Still...
Yeah they're barely out of RVS and people are already throwing out reads
In post 471, Vifam wrote:I think Maria is town
In post 1001, Creature wrote:
In post 999, Titus wrote:
In post 998, Creature wrote:Only if they decide to draft you there.
What? RAW cannot have 4 scum if I am drafted.
Current:
SD: 3 scum
RAW: 3 scum

Almost Chara drafts scum

SD: 2 scum
RAW: 4 scum

aka we have one less scum to deal with.
We do, but I play to win. Not draw. Drafting scum like MariaR will make it near impossible for a win in RAW. Sure it benefits Smackdown though.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #183) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:24 pm

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In post 1004, Creature wrote:I thought it only counted Smackdown for me.
This is one game in 2 threads. I am considering Town win (we eliminate all scum), draw 1 win one loss, scum win both threads.

Do you think this is wrong thinking?

I gtg. Hopefully will post more.
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #184) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:33 pm

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Technically, our PM says the threat from our brand is eliminated, but that's not exactly clear. I figuted scum in both were a threat to our brand, but I can see where the confusion is.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #185) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:58 pm

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How do you feel aboyt Gamma Grey?

I don't mind KT dying but Prefer Maria.

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Post Post #1028 (isolation #186) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:00 pm

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In post 1024, KainTepes wrote:
In post 1020, Vifam wrote:Don't be mean
Vote GREY with me please, look at his post and you will see that he is definitely a scum
Dude, Grey is so town. He's totally right. I am never voting him or Creature at this rate.

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Post Post #1095 (isolation #187) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:16 pm

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Creature, do you still have your stop voter left?
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #188) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:39 pm

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Clothesline from Hell: Gamma Emerald
Abdominal Stretch: Gamma Emerald


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Post Post #1100 (isolation #189) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:01 pm

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Mod: My finishing move is Abdominal Stretch. I wished to use both or neither.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #190) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:04 pm

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Also, Clothesline is a vote blocker not a post blocker. Is there something else at play...
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #191) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:25 pm

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Not cool. Scum spew can reveal other scum and biddies.
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #192) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:02 am

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Wasn't my intent
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #193) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:13 am

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In post 1106, KuroiXHF wrote:Sorry. Unable to vote. I used the wrong word. When I get to work I can do a proper update
Please do. I need to know what abilities I have or don't with update.

Maria voted IaI so i just meant to put gamma in same place. Oh and i am a wee bit tipsy.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #194) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:13 am

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In post 1107, Creature wrote:Gamma: I never wanted to post anyway.
Lols.
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #195) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:14 am

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Drunk Titus says I want friends. I need friends. Inlove all.

Happy holidays/Merry Christmas/Merry Saturnalia.
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #196) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:35 pm

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Well the only way to know this is by fishing and askibg an innocous question but it's too late. The best way to answer if tiwn is to refuse to answer but actually answer in the refusal.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #197) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:36 pm

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That has only worked in one game but it's poor design not to give a fake imo.
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #198) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:14 pm

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In post 1152, Creature wrote:"If X flips town, Y and Z might be scum for pushing"
Yeah. Not that it should matter though. Gamma doesn't want to give reads, so let's just lynch the obvscum.
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #199) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:15 pm

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In post 1158, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 809, -Grey- wrote:
In post 808, MariaR wrote:
In post 807, -Grey- wrote:
In post 806, MariaR wrote:I'M NOT PUSHING YOU TO BREAK SITE RULES? I'M CALLING YOU SHADY AND YOUR USE OF MOVES IS DUMB
WASTING MY MOVES MAKES ME SCUM? YEAH OKAY!

SHADY SURE IS A NICE VAGUE ACCUSATION!
"Lol fuck it I'ma just use my move durrr"
It's always fun to tell Gamma FU and STFU.

I'll do it tomorrow, too.
Can we trade me or this guy so I don't have to deal with being attacked EVERY DAMN DAY?
My mason buddy or self vote to save a lurker shader.... hmmm
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