Mini Normal 1861: Musical Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Shadow_step]

VOTE: IAI

[massive]

VOTE: MiniDeathStar

[Aj The Epic]

What's up with the IaI vote, Shadow? I don't think you've said anything about him prior.

[Kairal]

Incidentally this is a perfect example of why blank voting is anti-town. Now we have 3 players doing it. We have no idea why. There's nothing we can point to and say 'your reasoning here totally contradicts your other post'. If any of these three votes are from scum or scum motivated we have absolutely 0 tools to do anything about it.

It also provides absolutely no persuasive power. As Aj notes why would I follow Shadow in his IamI vote? No reason at all. Hell why do we even bother having a discussion board? We could all just submit votes through a poll without wasting time on this whole 'communication concept'.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Poll

I'm down for that.

[Kairal]

Screw it I blame massive for this.

VOTE: massive

[Secret Agent Jin]

VOTE: We Get Tacos

[massive]

If you have no idea why I am voting MDS, you need to read the game again. If you have no idea why Flubber is voting for me, then you need to read the game again a second time.

And then you need to get off this pony.

[Aj The Epic]

Sooo this day isn't starting off well.

VOTE: massive

Massive, you should EASILY realize you lack the kind of support for an MDS wagon right now. To hop back on it seems like a complete and total cop out of the entire game, especially with a naked vote.

[MiniDeathStar]

I can't help but notice that Flub and Aj are doing exactly what Io (tacitly) predicted they would be doing. As much as I still think massive is scum, I can't keep that mindset from yesterday and expect to be correct this time after I was already wrong about Io. I seriously need to reread some ISOs, like culted, Aj and maybe IaI in particular.

Kairal, please don't ignore dead townies' reads and continue your conviction from earlier. I noticed it's a thing you tend to do, and I think you should try to break that habit. Case in point: Open 656, I correctly named 2 of the 3 scum, who everyone else thought were town, on Day 1. I was killed night 1 and it's like everyone totally forgot I ever existed and let the scum live until lylo. NJAC did that, too: he named 1 scum, ended up lynched by that scum, and town forgot about him.

Please don't make the same mistake.

[Kairal]

Yeah I guess I do have that tendency. Io was correct in reading Newman as town after all.

[Kairal]

Also I don't see why you would use my ISO to justify not lynching massive.

Although this quote suggests maybe we're on the right course anyway?

[Kairal]

Seems she mostly suspected Aj and Flubber with a bit of culted. Feeling lazy tonight. I'll go through their ISOs tomorrow and see what I find I guess.

[culted]

Incidentally this is a perfect example of why blank voting is anti-town. Now we have 3 players doing it. We have no idea why. There's nothing we can point to and say 'your reasoning here totally contradicts your other post'. If any of these three votes are from scum or scum motivated we have absolutely 0 tools to do anything about it.

You can ask why.

[culted]

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

[I Am Innocent]

VOTE: massive

Two votes all game. Massive in post 10 and now Massive here. I need more than this. Based on the flips, who else do you think is scum with Massive?

VOTE: We Get Tacos

Great contribution so far. I still think you're scum.

vote Secret Agent Jin

[I Am Innocent]

@culted, why did you hammer Io before giving her a chance to claim?

[I Am Innocent]

Need more from Dierfire. So far two votes, Cloudkicker/Shadows slot (who I read town) and Io. 21 posts between him and his predecessor.

[I Am Innocent]

Need more from Dierfire. So far two votes, Cloudkicker/Shadows slot (who I read town) and Io. 21 posts between him and his predecessor.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 4&sr=posts

Dierfire's predecessor had no problem joining another game and being active there. Newbie scum pressure?

I'd say Dierfire is my #2 suspect at the moment.

[Aj The Epic]

I can't help but notice that Flub and Aj are doing exactly what Io (tacitly) predicted they would be doing. As much as I still think massive is scum, I can't keep that mindset from yesterday and expect to be correct this time after I was already wrong about Io. I seriously need to reread some ISOs, like culted, Aj and maybe IaI in particular.

You realize her suspect list was not only bad, but included you, not IaI.

[Kairal]

Yes I suppose I can ask why. Given that you know I'm going to do so why not just save us all time? Can everyone who blankvoted recently or in future please do not and instead explain your vote.

Alright I can come back to massive later. I was about to lynch Cloud yesterday when he got replaced out and Shadow has basically slipped under the radar. I read through Io's ISO and either I missed it or she never really made a push on IamI - why are Shadow and Mini suddenly pointing fingers there?

VOTE: Shadow

[Dierfire]

I've not forgotten this game, but I'm not done evaluating yet. I suspect that I need to revise or at least reexamine a good number of my reads.

If I were voting from my unrevised reads I guess that I'd vote for Secret Agent Jin.

[Flubbernugget]

Two votes all game. Massive in post 10 and now Massive here. I need more than this. Based on the flips, who else do you think is scum with Massive?

Both of the flips were lynchbait so I can't see much to analyze from it.

I think MDS Saj and massive are scum. Why should the flips discredit that?

[Secret Agent Jin]

I am neither scum or scum. I am Jin, master townie. Anyways, if i had a gun to my head and i had to lay down a vote i would vote massive from going off of yesterday but i was wrong about Newman and IO, so maybe i am not 100% right all the time. About these votes on me, i dont seem to see a case, am i just missing it?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Saj