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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:05 am

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Is that seriously a dayvig already? I don't like the sound of "gone".
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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:11 am

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Have you and memenno played together before?

It's only a scum move if he's got a reason to be threatened by you or is after town points.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:13 am

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So it's only scum if he thinks it's some hero vig move.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:17 am

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For smackdown, my only reads are i am innocent is town and pepto is scum.

My only reads here so far are thinkbig town and mcmenno bad town.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:19 am

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Narna might be town too. I think I understand why my reaction to mcmenno could come off as scummy.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:50 am

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Dodge, I don't see it. Why is narna scum? I hope you're not stretching the "can be scum" line to say it's an active decision to scum read me rather than a statement of a read. That's the closest I can come to figuring it out.

Leon, mcmenno's action wasn't a joke. See the mod's next post. Thinkbig is "gone" unless someone stops it.

Vote Leon

I can see scum finding humor in an ability being outted on page 1. I don't see how it's funny for town.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:15 am

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Dodge, I'm gonna have to disagree with your narna point. The smackdown thread has more happening than here, or at least more posts, and opened before us. So having a few thoughts there first makes sense.

Also, for the record, smackdown is moving way too fast for me to keep up with so I won't have anything to say about it any time soon.

Leon, I got that. See the post where I voted you.

Oh fuck, don't tell me nero is post restricted. That's so hard to get a read on. Although putting real thoughts after all of it the way he is should help.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:17 am

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Dodge, I can see where you're coming from on the first one. I just don't agree. The second, I just don't get at all. I don't think narna is the type to struggle to provide content.

Nero, not quite sure what you mean but ok
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Post Post #87 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:56 am

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In post 85, Not_An_McMenno_Hydra wrote:Dodge's attempts to diffuse people from reading the other thread and calling people scum for doing it are scummy as FUCK.

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I mean, I don't agree with him either, but why is he scummy for it?
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Post Post #89 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:18 am

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Thinkbig is town though
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Post Post #113 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:29 pm

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In post 92, KuroiXHF wrote:AND SHE'S DONE IT! LITA TRAPPED RANDY ORTON IN HER REAR NAKED CHOKE!

(expired on 2016-12-24 17:17:00) until Banana Mint can vote.
(expired on 2016-12-24 17:17:00) until Banana Mint taps out, unless one can stop it.
Can we, like, not do these submissions so early? Holy shit...

Narna, can you elaborate on your Leon town read? He's the only person who has seemed even remotely scummy to me so far. Actually, if you could elaborate on all alone too, that would be cool.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:23 am

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Malpas might be scum for such outrage at being voted without any attempt to scum hunt All Alone based on it.

Narna, I think All Alone's defense of thinkbig is fine. No one wants to die in a game they just started except people that probably shouldn't be playing. So, yes, it's obvious why that wasn't funny to thinkbig. Then again, it's similar to my thinking so maybe I'm looking at All Alone the same way you are looking at Leon. The "agrees with me so must be town" bias is a real thing.

Almost Chara, I fully understand what you are saying about Smackdown, but I just don't have the hours of free time to keep up with a thread that is moving at the pace that theirs is. If they draft me, they'll be getting someone who can't keep up with the thread. I'm perfectly happy here. It's not laziness. It's a matter of free time which is why I cut back on games, at one point playing in zero. ISOing whoever comes here shouldn't be a problem though.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:24 am

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I actually like Leon's reaction to All Alone and Almost Chara. Not sure if it's enough to unvote.

Meh

Fuck it.

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Post Post #134 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:32 am

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So we always want to draft town and if they draft scum, it's good for us. A scum win in Smackdown doesn't hurt Raw. Just don't draft me lol.

Preview edit: Maybe, but when I vote, I strongly prefer that the player I vote tell me that themselves.

And yes, I'm leaning town on All Alone as much as post 88 was annoying.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:46 am

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He was open about not caring about Smackdown. I liked his Leon vote. And using a submission after a few of us just got pissed off as McMenno for it would bea very bold move for scum when he did it.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:59 am

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Oh. Should mention this by the way:
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Post Post #140 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:13 am

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I agree with your stuff to Titus.

Yes, I have a town read on Dodge.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:06 am

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I actually agree with Titus about sending obvtowns back and forth. Maybe if smackdown has an obvtown who isn't working well with everyone else or if we get someone like that, they can be the one moved. Like if people are butting heads but townreading each other.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:01 am

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If someone were to focus completely on smackdown and ignore this thread, that would be scummy. Wanting to be informed about what is going on there and keeping others informed is fine. I'm not 100% sure if that's what Dodge is trying to say or not, but if he is I agree and people don't seem to be understanding him. Dodge, feel free to correct me if I'm the one misreading.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:09 am

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Ms columbo, my town read on lil is news to me. I didn't realize I had much of a read on him. So thanks for clearing that up. Also, yeah, thinkbig town is my steongest town read in the game. It's obvious why he was so bothered by mcmenno's action, but if you can't figure out why, I'm not going into it. Maybe scum can't figure it out either. The replace out is a bit more than mildly annoying though. This kind of thing is why people who replace out shouldn't be allowed to join new games for at least a month.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:18 pm

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Why is it a miricle mal is posting? And why is posting a town tell?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:26 pm

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Reading some smackdown stuff:

Titus, I know this is a really late answer, but pepto pinged me for seeming unhappy with town having a lot of power (Post 18)

Got through 12 pages. I took notes, so if anyone wants specifics, I've got them. But here are some quick reads:
-pepto is still scum
-I'm having trouble reading grey. didn't like his alban vote. finisher was better. I'm on the fence here
-I started to scum read maria, but changed my mind. she's town
-I am innocent is obvtown
-townreading alban
-scumreading gamma
-creature is probtown
-efiend might be scum. at the very least, I want more reasoning with his reads
-Titus weak gut town read.
-kain maybe scum but hard to read

Definitely lynch pepto and gamma over there guys
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Post Post #218 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:50 am

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Narna, no. Not interested in drafting Kain.

Nero, you made it sound like I was dumb for voting Mal, so I assumed you had a town read. I mean, voting scum is kind of not dumb. I agree that I Am Innocent would be a good draft pick.

Leon, not sure what you're getting at. Thinkbig is obvtown. Ms Columbo might be town. If you don't get the part you bolded, oh well. It's not something I want to talk about.

Mcmenno, it looks like they might have a modkill coming. I don't see where it happened, but Titus says that Vifam quoted private communication with the Mod.

Penguinos, I don't think thinkbig replaced out because of pressure. He was just bored with the game. So he probably shouldn't have signed up to begin with.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:54 am

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If you say so. You can't see what I can though, so meh.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:16 am

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Lil, the line of questioning starting in post 56 sounded like a genuine inexperienced attempt to scum hunt. I don't think that it was faked.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:42 am

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That's fair. She also said I was townreading you which surprised me.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:34 pm

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In post 234, Narna wrote:
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Link me to a game where Gamma doesn't use his pr as town because it's anti town. In fact, link me to any recent game where someone does this.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67708
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Post Post #238 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:49 pm

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Oh, wow. The mistake is mine then. Didn't realize he replaced All Alone.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:41 am

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Neither alignment is more or less likely to not see someone replaced. You could argue that a me/you team is unlikely because you'd notice your scumbuddy leave, but that's about it.

I want to point out that with a week to deadline, we don't have a single wagon above two and should consolidate. The problem is I don't even know where to vote that will make that happen.

Also, massive and titus what the fuck no don't draft me. I'll never be able to keep up with the pace of that game. I'll be completely useless to you there in more ways than one. Like role related stuff doesn't work there either.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:00 am

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Mod
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Post Post #245 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:00 am

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Granted it was like a week ago, but I just saw it
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Post Post #248 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:36 am

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In post 246, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 244, Kmd4390 wrote:
Mod
, any word on a replacement for thinkbig who just signed up for another game?

*sigh*
I don't know what to say. I'm working on it. I'm even offering to cross-replace.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:47 am

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Awesome, looking forward to it
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Post Post #259 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:59 pm

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In post 258, Banana Mint wrote:
In post 29, Leonshade wrote:Hey Banana Mint, remember this?

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VOTE: Banana Mint
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Post Post #263 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:16 pm

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What makes you think everyone has the same powers?
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Post Post #274 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:14 am

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In post 267, Narna wrote:Who is willing to voteblock semi active people with me finishing a low content poster like penguin, Mal, or light?

a) I want to break the game by townblocking up and lynching who only we want to lynch.
b) I want to force some of the nobodies into defending their townreads or scumbiddies.
c) This is fucking RAW. We need some tag team action.
Mal, yes

Penguin, maybe

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Post Post #276 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:02 am

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I get that a lot.

On a more serious note though,
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Post Post #299 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:16 am

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I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.

Unvote, Vote penguino


L-2

295 is a misrep of the case. The idea is that you don't want to screw up and give your slot away as scum.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:16 am

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L-1, not L-2

That was a typo, not a miscount
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Post Post #301 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:17 am

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Glad I page topped. No one can miss the correction
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Post Post #326 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:26 am

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In post 309, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 299, Kmd4390 wrote:I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.
this feels like an attempt to say the wagon is too fast, without actually saying it. i don't like the line. strange to see this thought followed immediately by a vote.
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That's...exactly the opposite of what I was saying. It's fast, but I'm good with it. A Penguin lynch is fine. I wouldn't put them at L-1 if I was against the lynch. By "this stage in the day", I meant we were way too close to deadline to not have any major wagons as I've pointed out recently.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:07 pm

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Vote malpas

^nothing has really changed for me

Nero, why so sure on lil?
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Post Post #401 (isolation #42) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:07 pm

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Wanna throw out a name or two?

It would have to be nero, chara, myself, mcmenno, or ms columbo. leon isn't here and narna was the NK.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #43) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:37 pm

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Meh. Leon was probably the scummiest on the wagon to be perfectly honest.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #44) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:25 am

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Nero can you be more specific? To me, it just looks like someone who doesn't agree with a wagon and maybe doesn't understand that no lynch is the alternative. Do you see any scum motivation in what he did, considering penguin was town? I honestly don't.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #45) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:57 am

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Nero it's not as simple as "HE GOT A READ RIGHT HES TOWN HURHURHUR". Weird that a 2009 date could think that's what I was saying (see I can do that too). It's just I can see him having a town read and thinking "wait, bad lynch". The fact that he didn't want that lynch to go through doesn't make him scum. I'm not even saying it makes him town. I just don't see how it's this big obvscum kind of thing that he didn't want penguin lynched. If your argument is that he did it for town cred, you're going to have to show why it's fake town cred rather than a genuine town action and you really haven't done that.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #46) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:55 pm

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Where do you see him talking out of both sides of his mouth?

Lil hasn't made much of an impression on me but I was townreading his slot before he got here.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #47) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:06 pm

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He was ok with it?
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Post Post #420 (isolation #48) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:25 pm

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See but what he is saying is fair. No lynches suck. I mean stopping your move on that case was weird though so maybe you have a point I guess?
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Post Post #422 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:42 pm

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That he compromised to avoid a no lynch. That he didn't feel like he could stop the lynch on his own. It feels like he didn't agree but didn't have anything better.

Malpas because I can't come up with anything better in this ghost town of a thread.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #50) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:02 pm

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Right, that's the one thing that feels weird to me. That he stopped your move.

I'd have to ISO him to answer the mcmenno question and I'm gonna be in the car in 30 seconds.

No idea on leon. I wouldn't have done it
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Post Post #429 (isolation #51) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:23 pm

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In post 427, Vifam wrote:
Nero Cain wrote:
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lol no.

I doubt scum passed up an easy wagon like Penguin, id say there's a high chance of one being there at the very least
That's like 99% of day 1 mislynches
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Post Post #443 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:11 pm

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In post 430, Vifam wrote:Wow you think so?
I do. I've used that statistic for years and I can only remember three games where town was lynched day 1 without scum on the wagon.

Nero, you're right. My vote was a wagon hop. Look at my posting prior to the vote. A wagon was what we needed and that's what I was saying before that one picked up.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:41 am

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Nero am I being dumb here? Should I just sheep you? How sure are you?
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Post Post #463 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 453, Nero Cain wrote:
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The opening riffs of
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by Motorhead blasts from the speaker as HHH, wearing blue jeans and a leather jacket, steps out onto the entrance way. In his left hand he carries a bottled water. For a moment, he stands there, basking in the attention. He takes a chug of water and spits it out it a mist of vapor as the song continues to play. He walks slowly down to the ring and then around to the south side that the camera faces. He climbs up onto the apron and turns to the camera. He takes another swig of water, leans back onto the ropes and then lunges forward and sprays the water from his mouth one final time before entering the ring. Once inside the ring he gets a microphone from ring announcer Lillian Garcia. HHH raises the mic to his lips.

Yes. Yes. 75%
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Post Post #473 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:30 am

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In post 469, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Hi guys. I made a great case against Nero. Instead of entertaining his fake read, why not engage me on my real one?
Sorry but I'm not convinced. I don't blame him for being more interested in who he's voting than he is in himself. That's regardless of alignment. He's pretty dead set on getting Lil lynched, so of course he'd rather have your opinion on that than discuss his own alignment.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:31 pm

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Almost, meh. I don't think it was a calculated attempt at town cred. I think he just didn't scum read penguin and it's really that simple. Yes, he should have provided an alternative. But he didn't and all that shows, to me, is suboptimal play. Not some hidden agenda. Until the penguin case, not one of us had presented anything that stuck, so I don't really fault lil for not being able to do that.

And if he wanted to NK you as scum, why would that question be in thread early Day 2 and not in a scum PT Night 1?

Dodge, you're going to have to reword that if you want my opinion then. I understood it as you thinking that Nero was deflecting because he started talking to you about Lil after you mentioned scum reading him.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:40 am

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Nero, I dunno man. I don't agree with your case and I've said why. I'm not gonna sit here and defend lil when my read on him is kind of iffy. I'm just not convinced his actions around you and penguin are definitely scum minded.

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Post Post #515 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:03 am

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^Yeah, I agree with that. I tunneled him through a game where he was town vig. He seemed so scummy and his day play was just...nonexistant (no offense) buthe managed to shoot 2/3 scum so...lol.

Preview edit: that was to vifam about lil.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #59) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:32 am

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Post Post #596 (isolation #60) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:28 am

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Malpa's 524 is bad in so many ways. I don't like the discrediting of the town reads on mcmenno by saying we all assume scum would never use abilities. I don't like things being shrugged off as WIFOM. I don't like the way he says anyone who says mcmenno is obvtown didn't read that post, rather than just disagreed with it. It feels like malpa is just intimidated by a large group of widely townread players which maybe makes me think we are on the right track with that and POE might be enough here (note that if malpa is town that's not necessarily true. Also note that, ironically enough, this would make mcmenno even more obvtown if malpa is scum).

Dodge, Penguin's situation was nothing groundbreaking. The town flip wasn't a shock. It was a deadline lynch and we shouldn't act like it was anything more. That's why I'm not surprised Nero's reads didn't change. Hell, my own didn't. Also, where do you think I've refused to take a stance? I'm only really unsure on Lil(leaning town though), banana mint who hasn't done anything, and vifam who just got here.

Almost chara, pretty sure I see what you are doing here:
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Post Post #788 (isolation #61) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:04 pm

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In post 599, MathBlade wrote:
In post 596, Kmd4390 wrote:Malpa's 524 is bad in so many ways. I don't like the discrediting of the town reads on mcmenno by saying we all assume scum would never use abilities. I don't like things being shrugged off as WIFOM. I don't like the way he says anyone who says mcmenno is obvtown didn't read that post, rather than just disagreed with it. It feels like malpa is just intimidated by a large group of widely townread players which maybe makes me think we are on the right track with that and POE might be enough here (note that if malpa is town that's not necessarily true. Also note that, ironically enough, this would make mcmenno even more obvtown if malpa is scum).

Dodge, Penguin's situation was nothing groundbreaking. The town flip wasn't a shock. It was a deadline lynch and we shouldn't act like it was anything more. That's why I'm not surprised Nero's reads didn't change. Hell, my own didn't. Also, where do you think I've refused to take a stance? I'm only really unsure on Lil(leaning town though), banana mint who hasn't done anything, and vifam who just got here.

Almost chara, pretty sure I see what you are doing here:
Unlynchable: pepchoninga
Lynch: malpa + banana mint
Boo catch up. I am banana mint.
I know. I was fully caught up at that point.

Nero/Dodge, don't get me wrong, penguin was scummy enough to lynch. But the way that picked up steam and the timing and everything, yes it was a deadline lynch and it's not shocking penguin was town. I'm sure everyone on the wagon who was town thought and hoped we were lynching scum, myself included, but it wasn't like we had time to discuss and question penguin much and all that. It was rushed for deadline and the town flip didn't change a whole lot.
dodge wrote:you're trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility of the mislynch
My vote at the end of the day says otherwise. It wasn't a bad lynch by any means. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a deadline lynch. When did the wagon form and when was deadline? You do the math.
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Almost wrote:Also, drafting Maria/Pepto is out of the question at this point. If they're Masons this would be the most anti-Town play ever as it would break their power.
So what? I want to win right here in Raw. What matters is that we draft town. If we break up their ability, seriously, so what? Their ability is useless to us if they are both in smackdown. They are obvtown. Let's grab one of them.
math wrote:@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
I'm town reading both of these players, especially pep. At least get a claim first if this is what you're going to do.
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math wrote:I come from an educational background. I am very familiar with reading comprehension speeds of most people. That is why 20 seconds a post when looking for something specific is not reasonable.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #62) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:30 am

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Mathblade, no, scum doesn't just come to terms with being shot like that but keep playing unless they are VERY good scum. Maybe Dodge is. I don't know. But that post is enough for me to keep my town read right now.

Splitting up smackdown's masons is a horrible idea FOR SMACKDOWN. It doesn't hurt this game though. It helps because we are getting a town player. Their ability is doing nothing for us anyway as long as they are in smackdown.

Waiting for claims is not dumb. It's standard play. It's playing to your win condition if you're town. What if you shoot him and he flips investigative, but we didn'tget his results. What if he flips something confirmable but he's dead so we wasted the day? If you shoot without a claim, I'm tunneling until you're dead because there is ZERO town benefit for not waiting for a claim. If he refuses to claim that's one thing, but give him the opportunity.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #63) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:04 am

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I still disagree no matter how many times you decide to repeat yourself. If I wanted to respond and go back and forth, I could do it by simply quoting my last post.

What matters is the bolded.
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Post Post #804 (isolation #64) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:27 am

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And now if he's scum, you just cost yourself any chance of catching him in that lie. Just wait and see what he says.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #65) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:29 am

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Actually.

Maybe the claim is pointless from him.

Whatever.

We need to wait for Almost anyway.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #66) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:45 am

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I mean I still think he's town but you've made your mind up so whatever. Almost gets his thing done. You take your shot. End of day. Hopefully you're town and right and I'm wrong.

As for the draft, I still want the masons and I've said why. I frankly don't give a rat's ass if smackdown wins or not so I don't care about breaking up their ability. I just want a town player here and I highly doubt they are scum. Like very highly doubt it.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #67) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:25 am

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In post 812, MathBlade wrote:
In post 808, Kmd4390 wrote:I mean I still think he's town but you've made your mind up so whatever. Almost gets his thing done. You take your shot. End of day. Hopefully you're town and right and I'm wrong.

As for the draft, I still want the masons and I've said why. I frankly don't give a rat's ass if smackdown wins or not so I don't care about breaking up their ability. I just want a town player here and I highly doubt they are scum. Like very highly doubt it.
Why do you doubt this?

I doubt 3-4 killing roles (depending on if you count masons as two people) exist in this game.
Won't answer the first question but how many submissions have been used? Aren't those all killing roles? Why is it so hard to believe that two more exist?
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Post Post #818 (isolation #68) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:34 am

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In post 817, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 785, DodgeTheSaint wrote:You need to specifically kill me. I'm not having my mislynch hang over the town in MyLo or LyLo. Even if someone convinces you I'm town you still have to do it I'm afraid.
God damn it! This is scary.

I mean, a Jester needs to die by LYNCH, not a Vig shot. I only saw a Jester in action once anyway, and it wasn't even on MS, so I don't think that's what it is.

I was a Martyr once and I had to e NK'd to win. There was no Day Vig in that game though.

Yet, somehow I'm starting to get the feeling Dodge wants to be shot on purpose, and I can't think of either a Town motive or a Scum motive behind it, but I also find it hard to believe Kuroi would use a generic 3P role in this setup.

~A50
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Post Post #821 (isolation #69) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:55 pm

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I mean if that happens it's nothing gained, nothing lost. If we draft scum, it's nothing gained and a lot lost.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #70) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:03 pm

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In post 822, Almost50 wrote:OK.. HOLD ON YOUR SHOT, MATH.

I will -once again- try to not be a total ass about it. We clearly still hold the majority here, so it should be a Town motivated draft even if scum are trying to direct it.

IMPORTANT: NO OTHER OPTIONS ARE VALID BUT THE ONES YOU ARE GIVEN BELOW.

1- Draft MariaR with Pepto as the backup pick
2- Draft Titus with Tywin as the backup pick


I vote (2), and I know at least Math agrees, but I'll let them cast their vote on their own. (And especially so when the alternative is Titus whom Math is also suspicious of, so for Math it's a choice between 2 evils. Sorry about that. :( ).

~A50
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Dodge, I town read them. They seem to genuinely have town's best interests in mind. Effort alone isn't alignment indicitive, but the kind of effort they are putting forward is.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #71) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:43 pm

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In post 1047, malpascp wrote:Math is conf!town.
Pep reeks of newbscum.
I don't understand the reasoning behind lynching Vifam.
Regarding the masons, I think they might be lying about having another shot, that was probably the only one.
McMenno is still useless.

@Math: you're the math guy/person(s)/whatever, if both GMs were scum wouldn't this setup be extremely scum-sided? Having one of each alignment would make no sense balance-wise imo
When did math get confirmed?
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #72) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:48 pm

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Vote malpa
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #73) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:53 pm

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In post 1064, malpascp wrote:
In post 1059, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 1047, malpascp wrote:Math is conf!town.
Pep reeks of newbscum.
I don't understand the reasoning behind lynching Vifam.
Regarding the masons, I think they might be lying about having another shot, that was probably the only one.
McMenno is still useless.

@Math: you're the math guy/person(s)/whatever, if both GMs were scum wouldn't this setup be extremely scum-sided? Having one of each alignment would make no sense balance-wise imo
When did math get confirmed?
He just dayvigged ffs
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #74) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:24 pm

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If one mason is town, why would they lie about the other?

They obviously share alignment.

Likely both town.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #75) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:26 pm

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Actually.

For all the talk around not believing mason claims in like every game where there's a mason claim, I'm having trouble remembering a time where it was actually a scum fake claim.
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:30 pm

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In post 1085, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can we please start spoilering Smackdown talk again?
Hope not. spoilers don't usually open for me =(
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:36 pm

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So they were town

Who saw that coming?

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Post Post #1094 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:43 pm

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I could definitely see Leon being scum just based on Day 1 here.
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Post Post #1099 (isolation #79) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:32 pm

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So Titus being scum makes vifam pretty obvtown, right?
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:57 am

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In post 1113, McMenno wrote:
@mod who did pepchoninga replace again
He replaced light who replaced thinkbig.

Almost, I can see Lil or columbo if not just for PoE. I have too many town reads. Malpa is my only strong scum read. Pretty sure the other has to be in math/lil/columbo. Pep isn't scum, so I won't vote there. Could compromise on Lil or columbo though if absolutely needed I guess.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #81) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:25 am

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In post 1125, Vifam wrote:What does everyone else think though? Aside from AC and Math
Still obvtown to me.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #82) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:58 am

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In post 1127, Vifam wrote:You think McMenno is obv town?
Thought you meant pep. I'm townreading mcmenno but nowhere near as strongly as with pep.
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Post Post #1157 (isolation #83) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:12 am

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Math, you're going to have to explain 1134. How/why would scum "dogpile" on pep with only one vote there, 5 to lynch, and this not being LYLO? I don't follow your logic there. Even if you meant Lil, not pep, he only had two votes there (L-3). I mean, with Smackdown having 4 scum (3 of which starting there), it's pretty obvious we only have two here unless we started as a more scum sided game than smackdown and if that's the case, just why? But I don't even get what you are trying to say. Also, if Almost was scum and scum know the scum team in the other thread (possibly bad assumption), he'd definitely get away with drafting Titus so I don't follow your logic about him leaving Titus there "for show" either. It makes no sense. So either he's scum who didn't know scum on the other brand or he's town.

Mcmenno, it's not up to Almost who gets drafted into smackdown. All he could do was make Leon undraftable which would have raised eyebrows.

Almost, was that like a legit action? Like can we only vote math or lil now?
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #84) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:18 pm

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So can abilities still be used on math/lil? Or none at all?
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:04 pm

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Mod
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:26 pm

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Congrats to Lita's hometown Falcons going to the Super Bowl.
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #87) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:16 am

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Sorry no time to read up today
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #88) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:05 am

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Vote malpa
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #89) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:30 am

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I don't think the vifam shot had anything to do with his reads. We were treating him as confirmed town.

No, the flips didn't change anything for me. Lil was a PoE scum read at most for me. Him flipping town doesn't mean much. If anything, it means there was probably scum on the wagon, but malpa is there along with anyone else that could be scum (mathblade being the only one off the wagon who could be scum) so nothing really changes there either. And Vifam being town is something we pretty much all could have predicted. So, again, I don't have any new info today and can't really think of a reason to change what I'm doing which is voting malpa and thinking the other scum has to be in math/columbo because mcmenno is a stronger town read than them, you (almost) are a stronger town read than that, and pep is definitely town.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #90) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:47 am

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In post 1249, MathBlade wrote:So Almost and Pep are confirmed scum.
3 scum each team makes sense.
Probably LyLO and Almost50 had to likely discharge gladiator before LyLO.

The fact this game isn't over makes Pep scum.

Now to find the third.
So you're claiming two guilties?

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Post Post #1256 (isolation #91) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:53 am

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So nobody is confirmed. k.

It doesn't make sense for there to be 3 scum. What makes sense is that the other side started with three, recruited 1 from here making four, so we started at 3 and now have 2. Sure 3 is possible but very doubtful.

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Post Post #1259 (isolation #92) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:38 pm

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In post 1257, malpascp wrote:Balance-wise it makes no sense there's more than 2 scum here, but it's still possible we're in LyLo. I don't think so though.
I'm not voting Math or A50 today unless there's a guilty or something.
I'm stil trying to wrap my head around the fact people still TR McMenno.
Vifam's death was expected, but
I think scum!Math wouldn't have done it for some reason.
Still trying to figure out what Lil's flip might mean.

For now just don't throw around meaningless votes plz
The part that I bolded feels weird to me.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:54 pm

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Let's try a different approach then

Hey malpa, why wouldn't math have killed vifam?
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #94) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:46 am

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Except if scum if math?

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Post Post #1275 (isolation #95) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:15 am

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In post 1273, malpascp wrote:Math wouldn't go for the obvious kill in his situation, that's what I feel. He would go for someone who had a stronger read on him than Vifam did, be it a town or a scum read.

@Math: don't take it as an insult, your playstyle might come handy sometimes but i think you think a bit *too much* outside-the-box.
I still don't get the "why" of it all, but that's probably the best answer I'm getting, isn't it?
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #96) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:19 am

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I think we've slowed down enough that I don't need to declare V/LAs over it anymore, but I am working doubles today and tomorrow, so if anyone needs me, it might take a bit before I get back to you.
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #97) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:16 am

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Malpa, so your arguement is that math lacks common sense and wouldn't listen to a scum partner? And you really believe that?
In post 1280, Almost50 wrote:So, we're likely lynching between Pep and McMenno?? If that's the case then I will be voting Pep over McMenno, but I still need Pep himself to come online and tell us what he thinks as it may change my view completely.
If it is, I'll vote mcmenno but I'm not at all confident he flips scum. Malpa with math or columbo still makes more sense to me.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #98) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:33 am

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Malpa, see my ISO. I've been saying little by little what stands out about you. I fully admit a lot is gut and PoE but there has been more.

Math, lol so you agree with me about WIFOMing what you would do with the NK being pointless, but then call me scum for saying it.
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #99) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:18 pm

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It may be the slow pace of the game today (meaning this RL day) but something has me feeling stuck. I don't want to lynch between pep/mcmenno because I'm much more confident in malpa/math/columbo. So I pulled up Leon's ISO.

Remember when he thought mcmenno's early use of his ability was funny and it rubbed me the wrong way? My issue was that it sounded like scum going "lol town is wasting abilities". Well now we know Leon was scum. So mcmenno being town here makes sense.

He was also the one to initially point out that columbo's questions sounded like newb town. In the same sentence, he called the same questions awkward. I could see this being scum looking for a reason to justify a town read on a scum buddy. Leon's posts directed at columbo, or about columbo, also feel pretty soft throughout the ISO.

Just a few thoughts.
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #100) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:17 pm

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Well that's basically my exact thoughts so.... yeah

It has more to do with pep than mcmenno though.
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #101) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:17 am

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Yes, I've never once questioned the slot and never will. I've never been more confident on a read in my entire mafia career than I am on pep being town.

Go back and look at thinkbig's reaction to mcmenno's shot again. He clearly shows that he knows mcmenno shot town. It's a stretch to say that that makes mcmenno scum, and it's bad logic on thinkbig's part, but you can see that that's what he truly believes. In thinkbig's mind, mcmenno shot town so he's scum. Then he can't believe that no one sees it and he replaces out. It was poor play, but it was obvtown. People tend to suspect poor play as scummy play, but that's because they refuse to try to get inside the player's head. Why, as scum, would a player who believes they are dying anyway inisist that they player who shot them was scum and do absolutely nothing else even when the shot is stopped? That's town who believes scum shot them.
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #102) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:46 pm

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In post 1293, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1288, Kmd4390 wrote:Well that's basically my exact thoughts so.... yeah

It has more to do with pep than mcmenno though.
And that thought process is a scum one not a town one.
Because you are scum reading pep and I say he's town?

I don't get what you are trying to say in the other post.
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #103) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:35 am

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*shrug*

I try not to look at associative tells while both players are alive. If one of them flips town, that work was all for nothing. It also creates a bias in the sense that one townflip makes you realize you were wrong and you question the accuracy of your other scum read.

I'm also townreading mcmenno.

But if we lynch malpa and he flips scum, I'll gladly entertain that case.
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #104) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:17 am

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In post 1302, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1300, Kmd4390 wrote:*shrug*

I try not to look at associative tells while both players are alive. If one of them flips town, that work was all for nothing. It also creates a bias in the sense that one townflip makes you realize you were wrong and you question the accuracy of your other scum read.

I'm also townreading mcmenno.

But if we lynch malpa and he flips scum, I'll gladly entertain that case.
Malpa will not be lynched. Move on to someone else.
If I were ready to compromise, I'd go you or columbo first and then mcmenno. I'm not touching Almost or pep.
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #105) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:31 pm

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Math, are you just gonna scum read anyone who suspects you? lol
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #106) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:48 pm

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So yes?
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #107) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:57 pm

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In post 1319, malpascp wrote:There's no way this is LyLo, right?
Very unlikely.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #108) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:54 pm

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*shrug*

Who would you say is lurking right now?
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #109) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:44 pm

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Mcmenno *shrug*. Maybe. Pep isn't scum though and his lurking has nothing to do with his alignment. It looks like he's site flaked. He was in quite a few games and his last content post on site was here.
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #110) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:50 am

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Yes
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #111) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:15 am

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Already did.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #112) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:27 am

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In post 1339, Almost50 wrote:I'm wondering why the rate of replacements has increased on all games. I always expect those who sign in to a game to try and finish it.
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #113) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:47 pm

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I don't think it's unreasonable to believe scum didn't consider who was on/off the wagon when they made their NK.
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #114) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:58 pm

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I'm not assuming both scum teams were in communication with each other.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #115) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:15 pm

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Columbo, I'm not exactly a balance guru. I just don't mod enough to do all of that. That's why I judge based on play. I'm confident that the scum are in you/malpa/math. I can't rule out mcmenno for sure, but I think he's town. Almost feels obvtown to me. And mastina is town. So process of elimination supports my trio of possibilities too.

And yeah, when we're done talking this out I'm probably going to vote malpa.

Math, you flipping town wouldn't prove anything about malpa. It increases the odds of him being scum because the scum pool shrinks. That's about it.
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #116) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:16 pm

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Leon's reaction to McMenno's shot on thinkbig doesn't sound like something a scumbuddy would say in the thread. I didn't like it when he said it because it sounded like scum who thought it was funny to see town abilities used up. If I was right about the way Leon saw that, it means McMenno is town. Before seeing that Leon was scum, it was more gut and my perception of why he chose thinkbig for the shot.
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #117) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:22 am

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malpa wrote:I'd really really like to know who thinks Math can still be scum. Or rather, who thinks Math is more likely to be scum than mastina.
Me.

Also, there's enough in the thread today for me to put my vote back on.

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Post Post #1415 (isolation #118) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:20 pm

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In post 1403, malpascp wrote:
Vote: mastina


I'm not even expecting a case against me to be presented. Apparently if you write a shitload of eloquent paragraphs with absolutely zero fucking content then say "X is scum" with not a single sentence as basis people will sheep you.
Sheep? Was anyone even scumreading you the first time I voted you?
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #119) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:35 pm

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Post Post #1423 (isolation #120) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:39 pm

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Also should explain why my logic wasn't perfect for townreading the thinkbig/light/pep/mastina slot as well as my reaction to mcmenno's shot.
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #121) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:03 am

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So mastina and I agreed after our shot that mathblade was more likely to choose to shoot mastina if scum while columbo would be more likely to shoot me. However, we also agreed that Columbo is more likely to be scum.

Mcmenno, why are you offering yourself up? I'm not even scumreading you personally.

I'll probably take a look at malpa's ISO today (as in this RL day today, not just game-wise).
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #122) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:44 am

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It would be better if you weren't.
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #123) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:45 am

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Things that stand out in Malpa's ISO:
-called Mcmenno's action "too random and attention drawing to be scum". I think so blatantly town reading him to the point of writing him off like that might betoo bold for a player's first post in the game if Mcmenno was a scumbuddy. I also don't see such a 180 later on being a bus. When people are townreading your scumbuddy, you roll with it. You don't act like their reasoning sucks and they're all idiots.

-Not that I had a ton of doubt anyway, but the way he flips out on Almost and calls him a VI isn't scum/scum.

-Actually, looking at the 180 on Mcmenno on it's own, I'm not so sure I like it. He went from townreading mcmenno to asking "why the hell" anyone would townread mcmenno. It's almost like he went VLA and forgot what his reads were supposed to be when he got back. But that on it's own doesn't make mcmenno one alignment or the other. I'd like opinions on this 180.
^As I switch from ISO to the game thread for context, lil and mcmenno were competing wagons. Malpa's vote was a momentum swing that easily could have led to mcmenno being the lynch instead. And mcmenno made a comment about forgetting malpa existed. None of that sounds like scmbuddies.

-524 is a terrible case on mcmenno and a lot of effort in trying to get people to stop townreading him. Also, man there's a lot of focus on mcmenno in this ISO. I really don't see mcmenno being scum here.

-I find it interesting that malpa's first mention of mathblade is that math is "spouting nonsense" and then when Almost asked everyone for an unlynchable, he gave us math. Also, from memory (haven't made it that far yet), malpa was adamant that math couldn't be scum because of the shot on dodge. Definitely interesting. What I will admit is malpa's constant insults to math's intelligence don't sound scum/scum. Scum tend to not get personal with their buddies when they disagree or act like they disagree.

-the "I actually laughed" comment when I proposed a malpa/math team is bugging me. Not in the sense that it makes math scum. More that I know there is a lot of WIFOM surrounding it and I can't figure it out. If I was right, he'd feel obligated to say at least something and writing it off like that is one thing, but maybe he'd worry that it comes off too obviously uncomfortable. But if I was wrong, maybe he was trying to make math look like a partner in case he died. Or I was wrong and he genuinely found it funny. Thoughts on this please because it means something and I don't know what.

-There is almost zero interaction with columbo at all

My biggest thoughts:
-Malpa seems to have latched on to a town mcmenno as a way to continue producing content. Mcmenno also looked town in leon's ISO so I'm confident he's town.

-It's hard to figure out mathblade here. The insistence that math is confirmed town sucks, but the way they interacted doesn't feel scum/scum. Leaning town on math

-Columbo makes so much sense as scum here just like in leon's ISO. I want to lynch here today. If we're wrong, tomorrow is likely up to you guys without me, but math would be my second choice.

-I'm not really considering Almost because of the lack of scum drafted. But malpa's couple of posts about him on Day 1 sound like scum->town.

Question:
Mathblade, what exactly were your "reasons" for being willing to die instead of malpa? I think I know and I discussed it some with mastina, but I want to hear it from you rather than assume.

Preview edit:
Math, if you are town your reads and mine are so opposite that we're not going to be able to work together properly, unfortunately. But in those 3p scenarios:
-Almost/Math/Mcmenno: I'd think math is scum here, but there'd be a lot of work to do. I'd trust Almost the most and would like him to look closer at whether mcmenno can be ruled out as a buddy with leon and malpa or not. I'd also like him to take a closer look at malpa/math interactions because there's a lot there. Mcmenno voting math immediately is something I'd expect and would be ok with. If Almost is scum and wins, that's on me. Math, my hope here if you're town is that you'd look back over both ISOs with an open mind. If mcmenno does snap vote you and Almost doesn't hammer, obviously he's confirmed town though so it may not be necessary. But don't keep going on about how you shot dodge and are definitely town for it. Let Almost lead the conversation if thatis how it goes. This trio gets the most words because it's the one I expect if columbo is town.

-Almost/Math/columbo: Again, I trust Almost here to make the decision. Biggest thing I ask is that Almost and Math don't argue pointlessly and talk things out and consider what is game relevent and what isn't because there is a good chance you are the last two town in this trio. But don't assume that is the case either.

-Almost/mcmenno/columbo: I want Almost running the show still. Basically same thing I said in the first situation about checking mcmenno's interactions with scum over again.

Mcmenno/math/columbo: This is a trio I really don't want to see, because I don't trust town here. Math and I aren't on the same page and I don't really know what mcmenno or a town columbo would do. Of course I'd hope for a columbo lynch.
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #124) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:04 pm

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A VCA wouldn't really give me much, but what stands out on a quick glance is:
-columbo did vote malpa early on. I want to go back and see what that was about. The wagon reached 3/7, but columbo was actually the first vote so it might be nothing.
-Anybody at all makes sense as scum around the penguinos lynch. Columbo's initial position, unvote, and eventual re-vote stand out, but nobody's name stands out as an "ok, they probably aren't scum" kind of thing.
-mcmenno opened day 3 with a vote on malpa. Looks town, but needs more info.
-there aren't really useful end of day vote counts outside of penguinos because abilities interfered with days 2, 3, and 4.
-You guys all wanted lil dead over math after almost's ability was used. So did malpa. Could be either scum protecting a buddy or scum going with the flow when choosing between two town players. Useless.

Preview edit: Ok, that's exactly what I thought you'd say. Obviously, if genuine that's mathtown. I'm also not interested in arguing balance. I'm not good at it and there's no guarantee that everyone will agree postgame that the game was balanced. You're not confirmed town. You've been misusing the word "confirmed" all game.

Why would Almost bother to crumb that as scum? And why wouldn't he draft Grey or Titus in place of vifam or tywinn?
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #125) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 44, Ms Columbo wrote:Hi, all.

VOTE: malpascp For participating in the wrong brand...bring that sarcasm over here.
So this was RVS and is absolutely not a reason to town read columbo for being on that wagon.

Also in columbo's ISO...

-those early questions that leon called newb town and awkward don't look as newbtown to me as they did when he first said it. It looks like someone trying to fit in. She also seems uncomfortable voting because she keeps her RVS vote on through all of this questioning. If that vote was on a scumbuddy, she doesn't have to worry about stepping on toes. That may have even been planned pregame.

-I missed it the first time, but columbo says she "chuckled" at mcmenno's action. That was the issue I had with leon and columbo did the same thing here. I should mention that my mason thread had daychat. It's possible that scum were in there laughing about mcmenno's action being a waste and some of that spilled into the game thread.

-Columbo gave a me/lil/thinkbig team on Day 1. Usually, scum include a buddy in those, especially when opening the game with a vote on a buddy. That's actually a point in columbo's favor with lil and thinkbig both flipping town.

-the unvote of penguinos so people could talk actually looks good too. I hope I'm not making a mistake here.

-I don't like the asking permission to hammer. makes it look like the unvote was for appearances rather than genuinely wanting to hear from everyone.

-1299 feels like an attempt to connect malpa and mcmenno. 1389 is a follow up on this that feels awkward coming from someone who I'm pretty sure was calling pep scummy not too long ago.

I still lean scum here. My phone battery is low so it won't be now, but I think I want to ISO the rest of you guys.
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #126) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:52 pm

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Reading mcmenno's ISO now:
-What made you vote columbo on Day 1? What changed your mind when you said her early posting was just awkward newbie?

-You voted malpa and then 2 RL days later said you forgot he existed. How did that happen?

-I like the pressure on malpa for the 180. This reads as genuine suspicion rather than a bus

There really isn't much more here. I see a lack of effort and carelessness and that's about it. I think I need to trust the read I got from the leon and malpa ISOs more than anything.
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #127) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:07 pm

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I've got math's ISO up, but want to mention something mastina said first. Math proved a daykilling ability. Malpa had the motivate ability. If math is scum, there's a good chance scum could daykill a second time. Mastina seemed to think that would have happened already. Not so sure myself. Almost, your thoughts are valuable to me here.
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Post Post #1444 (isolation #128) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:08 pm

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Crap, didn't mean to hit submit yet. I'm getting tired anyway. I'll finish this tomorrow.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #129) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:07 am

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Mcmenno, how did you know that Almost had a second shot with his gladiate?

Almost, I don't think columbo needed to hammer mastina as scum. She didn't know about our ability and from anyone's point of view other than mastina's or my own, it was only a matter of time before mastina was lynched. She hadn't claimed and it wasn't LYLO. So a hammer would have surprised me. Yes, the possibility was there and it was why we acted when we did. But hammering there would have been just short of a scum claim.

Mod, I normally wouldn't expect an answer to this, but the role pms of dead players are public information in this game. Did malpa's motivate ability award extra shots to be used any time or was it a double action for that night? Or something else?
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #130) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:34 am

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Like. If he motivated someone, did it mean they use their ability twice that night or does it mean an X-shot ability becomes an X+1-shot ability?
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #131) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:52 am

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Ah. For some reason, I thought massive had one. Don't worry, I'm not about to ignore you guys and come up with some wild theory about how balance says you can only have one shot or anything.

Malpa's vote wasn't a hammer. It gets scrutinized a little differently. L-1 on a pretty widely accepted lynch doesn't look bad. Hammering before a claim does. Malpa's vote was safer than a hammer would have been from Columbo.

Fully agree about taking our time. I have ISOs to finish and we have discussions to have. I'm very interested in what columbo has to say.

And yeah, I've been working under the assumption we started with three scum (leon, malpa, ??????) since smackdown ended.
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #132) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:56 am

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Almost, first of all DO NOT gladiate yourself.

So far, I think Columbo is the most likely scum. A lynch on math right now would effectively be policy because we don't trust math in LYLO. But if Columbo is town, math is my next pick for scum anyway so it's mcmenno we'd have to trust because if mcmenno is scum it means I can't read flipped scum's interactions at all.

My next concern is if we do lynch math and math is town, I'm not sure I trust that columbo gets lynched.

I'm at the point where it probably has to be columbo and then if that's wrong, math tomorrow. I'd still like to do more just to be sure, but I didn't have time for the ISOs tomorrow and I have a busy weekend and I'm not likely to change my mind anyway with the info I've read up on already.

Math, Almost is NOT scum. There is pretty much no way. Leon being drafted was a killer for scum. It's as bad for them as a Day 1 scum lynch. It makes absolutely no sense that if they had a GM on their side, they didn't bring a single scum over. Personally, I'd have brought over scum every night. As I'm typing this though, I'm going "oh shit, what if scum DIDN'T know smackdown's scum? What if he thought vifam and tywin were scum?" Fuck. Maybe I'll finish those ISOs before I decide anything. Won't be until Monday though.

I still think it's columbo though.
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #133) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:41 am

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Wouldn't scum have joined the PT right after the draft?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #134) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:08 am

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Anywhere that I asked for thoughts in my posting since the thread opened back up, I'd be interested to hear yours.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #135) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:26 am

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1) Usually people who complain about town sided games turn out to be scum

2) How do you know the living scum doesn't have any power?
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #136) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 1476, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1473, Kmd4390 wrote:1) Usually people who complain about town sided games turn out to be scum

2) How do you know the living scum doesn't have any power?
Because no one has claimed roleblocked or fucked with and there is 0 evidence of such fuckery.

...You haven't played with me. I just state what I think of setups. I have complained about that as Town and scum and both times it was genuine. Just like here.
That doesn't make them vanilla scum. It just means we have zero info on what their role is. And I've played with you on my Egg account a few times.

And actually that last paragraph by Almost is a good point. Mastina may as well have been at L-1 in LYLO because of the gladiate ability if Almost is scum.

Guys, I kind of think our lynches (if we need two) should be columbo and mathblade. If we can definitely do that, I don't really care who goes first. Based on everyone's reads, mathblade should be the only one who has a problem with that, but Almost isn't scum so frankly (sorry math, nothing personal) I don't care. All I need is agreement from Almost and mcmenno not to vote each other and columbo and mathblade are the only players who can be lynched if the three of us are willing to vote together to make that happen.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #137) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:12 pm

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If I didn't care, I'd have voted columbo at daystart. Please don't insult me like that.
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #138) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:33 pm

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I always care. Maybe too much. These games break me down. Especially town games.
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #139) » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:23 am

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Me too
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #140) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:35 am

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Columbo, I haven't decided anything about you. And no, my reasons for town reading mcmenno aren't RVS. It's malpa's constant insistence that mcmenno is scum. I know you say it wasn't a serious push, but look over the mcmenno mentions in that ISO again. It's all he's scum and we're idiots for not seeing it. It doesn't at all read like a bus to me. It reads like scum tunneling on town.

Almost, I agree with you about columbo's "lynch me today" comment. I think I'm leaning mathblade for today.
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #141) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:46 am

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I kind of think it needs to be mathblade and then if needed columbo.
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #142) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:49 am

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My first guess would be it's a mistake.

Mod, are the numbers it takes to lynch correct?
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #143) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:54 am

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Look at the vote counts
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #144) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:13 am

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Right after the names, it says 0/4
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #145) » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:48 am

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Ok so we can all calm down about that lol
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #146) » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:16 pm

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