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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:33 pm

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Press A to Pound
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #125 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:11 am

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Asphodel, your introduction seems self-conscious as fuck.
Voting for the extention btw.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:15 am

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Kay, caught up. My vote is going here.
VOTE: Asphodel

I don't like this Gamma wagon.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:21 am

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In post 129, Flubbernugget wrote:The two wagons(?) seem to be on omega and Grey and I don't get either of them
Neither do I.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:45 am

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In post 137, -Grey- wrote:Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher
Define long.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:51 am

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In post 151, -Grey- wrote:
In post 146, Alisae wrote:
In post 137, -Grey- wrote:Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher
Define long.
Don't you have access to Google?
Why are you avoiding the question?
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Post Post #158 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:56 am

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In post 155, -Grey- wrote:
In post 153, Alisae wrote:
In post 151, -Grey- wrote:
In post 146, Alisae wrote:
In post 137, -Grey- wrote:Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher
Define long.
Don't you have access to Google?
Why are you avoiding the question?
Because common sense questions annoy me.

Asking someone to define a word that is not being used in an abnormal manner is just busywork.
Okay then you misunderstood the question. So let me rephrase it. In the context of this game, you said you've been on the Gamma wagon for long enough. And how long is that time period to you?

Also don't like the fact you're not willing to work with me. If anything you're being anti-town at the moment.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:09 am

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In post 164, -Grey- wrote:
In post 158, Alisae wrote:Also don't like the fact you're not willing to work with me. If anything you're being anti-town at the moment.
So?
If this is your way of being lynchbait, I don't like it.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:48 am

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Anyone want an unoffical vote count? I know I do! Hopefully this is right.

Unofficial VC-Grey- 1 (Ircher)
Gamma Emerald 1 (All Alone)
Ircher 3 (Gamma Emerald, -Grey-, Asphodel)
Asphodel 2 (Alisae, Human Sequencer)


Not Voting 6 (Naomi-Tn,a Flubbernugget, TwoFace, The RealGin-N-Tonic, Rainbowdash, krylea)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:06 am

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Sequencer, don't you get the feeling that Ircher is trying to push lynch bait extremely hard?
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Post Post #187 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 186, Ircher wrote:
In post 184, Alisae wrote:Sequencer, don't you get the feeling that Ircher is trying to push lynch bait extremely hard?
How about phrasing that as a non-loaded question?
Okay,

Is Ircher pushing lynch bait or not?
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Post Post #191 (isolation #11) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 190, -Grey- wrote:
In post 188, Ircher wrote:And my biased response is no, esp. considering that in the one newbie game that Grey has completed, Grey was killed N1.
Context: I was killed n1 because I softed cop as a VT to draw the NK.

It worked, so apparently I did something right.
You were getting lynched the next day. I was slightly paying attention to that game while it was happening as well.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #12) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:00 am

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[quote="In post 201, Asphodel"]Ircher, maybe I need to be a little more specific: Human Sequencer is town from 139.Explain this a bit more please.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #13) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:38 pm

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TwoFace, why is All Alone scum?
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Post Post #276 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 259, Alisae wrote:TwoFace, why is All Alone scum?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:04 pm

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BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
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Post Post #305 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:44 pm

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Is there anything wrong with me not wanting to get on the wrong wagon?
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Post Post #308 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:47 pm

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Also when it comes to the lynchbaits, if they are being lynch bait, I wanna pay attention to who votes them.

Also I'm currently on the Asphodel wagon if you haven't noticed.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:49 pm

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Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:54 pm

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Because that's the dude who I think is scum?
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Post Post #317 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:59 pm

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In post 316, -Grey- wrote:
In post 314, -Grey- wrote:
In post 309, Alisae wrote:Like for example I'm paying attention to Ircher whom really tried to push Grey.
Why, though? Town often makes superficial cases on d1 because there isn't anything more substantial to build a case around when the game is just getting started.

Your actions are a lot scummier than Ircher's. He's scumhunting. You're coming across as angling.
Edit.
This is becuase quite frankly I haven't had as much time to quickly do things at the moment. But I can see where you're coming from.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #21) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:10 pm

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Reads. Feel free to ask me about them.
{Gamma, Human Sequencer, me} <--- I don't wanna lynch these.
{Naomi-Tan}
{Grey}
{Everyone else} <-- Null
{Ircher}
{Asphodel} <-- Lynch Pool
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Post Post #321 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:19 pm

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Um, I think he's scum because of how he tried to push you.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:25 pm

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Have you ever thought that Ircher is pretending to scumhunt?
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Post Post #327 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:27 pm

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I think this pony is town.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:29 pm

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In post 326, Ircher wrote:
In post 325, Ircher wrote:
In post 323, Alisae wrote:Have you ever thought that Ircher is pretending to scumhunt?
Out of all the people you can ask that to, you ask it to the one who's most likely to have considered that.....
EBWOP
Really? In that case his arguement makes no sense to me.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:58 pm

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In post 335, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 332, -Grey- wrote:Alisae needs more votes.

I found me a cautious scum.
I'm actually going to second this motion and will hop on that Oregon Trail wagon


VOTE: Alisea


P-Edit: I ain't reading shit that's not related to this game. Now you can go ahead and tell me what you're after but you're going to explain that here. I ain't your damn lapdog.
Have I done anything else to you that seemed scummy prior to grey's vote?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:04 pm

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Also Tonic or whatever you expect people to call you, when you gave your reads, why didn't you vote the person you thought was the most scummy?
Like, I don't believe that you're actually scumhunting. In fact I find your vote very sheepy.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:19 pm

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And why are you voting someone who is null when you could be voting someone who you think is scum?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:32 pm

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In post 356, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:It's getting close to being out of spite right now.

How many votes are on you?
2 votes. Grey and yours.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:40 pm

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In post 362, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Hey Alisae? You like the sound of pressuring me to vote my scum reads because you want a mislynch? Is it that or is there a different motive as to why you want me to vote someone besides you so badly?

P-Edit: Then why are you so edgy about a vote or two on you? Stop worrying about yourself, go argue against someone and show how they are scum. I seriously could care less about defending, I'm swayed by offense over defense.
No, I am just trying to understand where you're coming from and trying to understand your logic which I don't agree with.
And why can't that someone be you?
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Post Post #366 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:49 pm

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Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Post Post #369 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:01 pm

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No, I am saying that your vote has no coviction behind it. Atleast I think that's what Wishywashy voting is. Voting without convinction. I am probably very wrong tho.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:03 pm

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Also Hi Gamma. Still think you're town.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:16 pm

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Why are you giving me information over analysis?
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Post Post #376 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:29 pm

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In post 374, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 372, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: 1)Sheep/Band wagon votes. This is where one player votes someone who seems to get a lot of heat on them to blend in or because they feel like following someone they town read to apply it as a pressure vote against the accused to get them talking.
That's what I did here, as evidence, even with 2 votes, my sheep vote got you talking and that's what I want to happen.
Don't argue one post by me, remember our entire argument.

You're talking now, I'm extracting info and I'll be able to make a sufficient read when we are done here.

What else you got that you're not clear about?
Yeah...no. You're scum. I'm certain in this now.
You've put no effort into scumhunting currently whatsoever.
You're voting me, and you'd think that because you are voting me you would want to talk to me to see if I'm scum or not but nope, I am completely in control of our dialogue. You have nothing to ask me. And when you asked me "why didn't I go attack someone else?" you figured I wouldn't attack you. You were probably hoping I didn't attack you.
Your voting has no conviction behind it, and it's sheepy and that's bad. I don't think you even understand how bad it is.
Lastly you just offered me IoA. Your post has more information then analysis in it.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:39 pm

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In post 379, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:ou just don't know how to fucking scumhunt.
It's easy to insult and discredit a player you're attacking. It's harder to prove them wrong.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:40 pm

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Also, you're not even putting up a fight. If you're town, put up a fight with me, because if you are town, then I am obviously very wrong.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:42 pm

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In post 382, Ircher wrote:@Alisae - How about you step back from your current Gin read for say an hour or two and maybe look elsewhere then proceed to reanalyze your Gin read after that?
Why?
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Post Post #386 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:43 pm

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In post 383, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Don't try that bullshit on me. I answered why the fuck my actions weren't scum motivated in the same quote.
Analyzing yourself is also very self-conscious.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:43 pm

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In post 385, Ircher wrote:Cuz I think you might be tunneling right now.
Anywhere you specificly want me to look then?
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Post Post #389 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:45 pm

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In post 388, Ircher wrote:I just want you to look elsewhere besides Gin right now. Then reevaluate Gin when you can be more objective about it.
Alright fine, but I am gonna assume you disagree with me. Why do you think Gin is not scum?
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Post Post #391 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:52 pm

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In post 390, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Your rebuttal: I didn't build a case on you.
Where did I say this exactly?
If you can respectfully show me where you get townie points.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:04 pm

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Gin, by no conviction I mean you don't feel as if I am scum. You have no strong belief to your vote. I'm null to you. And you could be voting people you think are scum and doing this reaction test on them. But you're wasting time on me. I honestly think it's scum motivated. And at the time I'm the easiest wagon to hop on, so you just sheep it to see what happens. Qutie frankly I don't think you could have predicted me going off on you.

I never said the word case. You associated the word case and conviction. Every vote is important when they matter, and I'm holding you accountable to yours. I wasn't asking you to prove that I am scum. And I never did. I'm saying is you never strongly believed that I am scum, yet you are voting me for it anyways.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:41 pm

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In post 396, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 395, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.
That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.
Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:13 pm

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In post 400, -Grey- wrote:
In post 397, Alisae wrote:
In post 396, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 395, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.
That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.
Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.
Eh. I gotta agree with this somewhat.

Not a fan of the unvote because there was no danger of Alisae being flashlynched while he slept.
Grey, whats your current read on Gin?
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Post Post #406 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:46 pm

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In post 405, -Grey- wrote:
In post 404, Alisae wrote:Grey, whats your current read on Gin?
Null. You're far more interesting.
I know right! Want my life story? It's pretty interesting.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:54 pm

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Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:13 am

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Going back into one of my previous games just to find something to lynch me on. Ya know, I don't like that.
Have you ever taken into consideration that that was my first game and that I was learning as I was playing the game?
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Post Post #426 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:20 am

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Now, let me explain why I don't like that.
A. You're basicly chainsawing Gin.
B. You specificly looked into my past game to tried to find a justified vote, and that being my first game. If you read the game, you could have figured that I was just being new and learning and shit. But you straight up took a bit out of context and used it against me. You're looking at me through a colored lens.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:08 am

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Yeah, I don't really think Gin is scum as much anymore.
And with that said, I am concerned for how he's playing and I don't like it.
I'm not fully convinced that he's town though. So he get's a null scumlean.

I still think Gamma is town.

You're thoughts on All Alone, because I think their vote on me seems like an attempt to have a justified vote and hop on the wagon.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:20 am

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In post 426, Alisae wrote:Now, let me explain why I don't like that.
A. You're basicly chainsawing Gin.
B. You specificly looked into my past game to tried to find a justified vote, and that being my first game. If you read the game, you could have figured that I was just being new and learning and shit. But you straight up took a bit out of context and used it against me. You're looking at me through a colored lens.
To add to this, their vote feels super forced.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:27 am

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In post 429, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 427, -Grey- wrote:My my, what a development.

An Alisae red flip will make me very interested in Naomi.
No doubt given the above post XD
This is why Naomi is town.
I see no reason why Scum Naomi would defend me.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:28 am

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In post 526, Human Sequencer wrote:Gamma is hoping for the town credit when Naomi flips town, and is trying to set up another mislynch for D2.

VOTE: Gamma
In post 530, Human Sequencer wrote:scumGamma doesn't interact with the people who scumread him, like I am right now. He flakes. ISO him in micro 665 (on my wiki) for more information.
Ehhh, I really don't like this meta call.
Like, I have him as town for reasons that would be anti-town to explain.
So let me ask you this question, why would Scum!Gamma link that game he posted? Asking us to read 5 pages isn't really wasting our time.
In post 549, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay lets get stop Alisae killing themselves.

Alisae - Okay I know your prob reading this and have gone quiet as you don't know what to make of things. but you should not join my wagon. If you join right now and I flip green they will go back to hounding you and if I flip red they will say that you are my red buddy and joined late as you couldn't see me talking my way out of things and want the green credit.
Don't plan on it cause going your wagon on you is shit and scum are probably on it.
I see nothing scum from gain from white knighting me. IN fact, I think scum Naomi would be in a lot better position to attack me then stand up for me.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 559, Ircher wrote:
In post 555, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 551, Ircher wrote:More buddying and coaching in-thread. Not a good sign after your earlier "slip".
Given that your current white knight POV. why is helping someone a bad thing. given you should be thinking; 'A Red is preventing a green from dying, thats a good thing, I don't need to comment'.

Yeah Just cause people are red reading me right now doesn't mean its gonna stop me helping someone who looks green and looks like they need assistance.
Let them help themselves.
I don't like this. You're trying to discourage town from building a cohesive town to form town led lynches.
In post 573, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 366, Alisae wrote:Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Dude I miss the evidence for this?
My point with this I don't see why he was voting me at the time if he had bigger scumreads.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:38 am

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In post 602, Ircher wrote:
In post 601, Alisae wrote:
In post 559, Ircher wrote:
In post 555, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 551, Ircher wrote:More buddying and coaching in-thread. Not a good sign after your earlier "slip".
Given that your current white knight POV. why is helping someone a bad thing. given you should be thinking; 'A Red is preventing a green from dying, thats a good thing, I don't need to comment'.

Yeah Just cause people are red reading me right now doesn't mean its gonna stop me helping someone who looks green and looks like they need assistance.
Let them help themselves.
I don't like this. You're trying to discourage town from building a cohesive town to form town led lynches.
In post 573, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 366, Alisae wrote:Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Dude I miss the evidence for this?
My point with this I don't see why he was voting me at the time if he had bigger scumreads.
You know, Grey said the same thing about me at the beginning of the game except he didn't even try to back it up w/ quotes of any sort.....
Ya know, why are you saying this?
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Post Post #606 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:40 am

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Grey whats your read on Ircher currently?
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Post Post #613 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:50 am

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In post 609, Ircher wrote:
In post 603, Alisae wrote:
In post 602, Ircher wrote:
In post 601, Alisae wrote:
In post 559, Ircher wrote:
In post 555, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 551, Ircher wrote:More buddying and coaching in-thread. Not a good sign after your earlier "slip".
Given that your current white knight POV. why is helping someone a bad thing. given you should be thinking; 'A Red is preventing a green from dying, thats a good thing, I don't need to comment'.

Yeah Just cause people are red reading me right now doesn't mean its gonna stop me helping someone who looks green and looks like they need assistance.
Let them help themselves.
I don't like this. You're trying to discourage town from building a cohesive town to form town led lynches.
In post 573, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 366, Alisae wrote:Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Dude I miss the evidence for this?
My point with this I don't see why he was voting me at the time if he had bigger scumreads.
You know, Grey said the same thing about me at the beginning of the game except he didn't even try to back it up w/ quotes of any sort.....
Ya know, why are you saying this?
Cuz it's buzzword soup. That's why. Explain how it prevents town cohesion.
2nd quote doesn't. First quote seems as if it's trying to prevent town cohesion because you're going after someone who if scum has more motivation to go after me then defend me. If she hopped on my wagon, I think there would be a huge as fuck wagon on me by this point assuming if scum continued to hop on.
You're saying to defend myself when you saw an example of how I am with pressure. IE not good with it apparently.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:04 am

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In post 623, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 620, -Grey- wrote:
In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
Quotes and explanations.
Nah. I'd rather tell you no so you can justify continuing to avoid 2F for doing what you got all butthurt over me doing.
This is not pro-town peeps. The pro-town way would be nutting up and providing, then turning the tables and demanding my explanation. Instead he just whines.
Grey has had this attitude the whole game. I don't like it.
But if you're pushing based on that kind of attitude, It's not working.
Gamma why do you think he is scum?
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Post Post #627 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:06 am

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In post 624, All Alone wrote:If you're town, how did you "learn" that voting without conviction was scummy? That really doesn't make sense to me.
A. Finish reading that game.
B. Reading other games.
C. Playing the game and learning.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:07 am

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In post 626, TwoFace wrote:
In post 622, -Grey- wrote:
In post 619, TwoFace wrote:
In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
Yet you voted him at least twice. This seems fake.
Yep, I sure did.

At least twice.
and now magically after a iso skim he's town...

yeah scum caught.
I don't see how you connected the two dots.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:17 am

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In post 629, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 625, Alisae wrote:
In post 623, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 620, -Grey- wrote:
In post 617, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
Quotes and explanations.
Nah. I'd rather tell you no so you can justify continuing to avoid 2F for doing what you got all butthurt over me doing.
This is not pro-town peeps. The pro-town way would be nutting up and providing, then turning the tables and demanding my explanation. Instead he just whines.
Grey has had this attitude the whole game. I don't like it.
But if you're pushing based on that kind of attitude, It's not working.
Gamma why do you think he is scum?
His push on Naomi, as well as his little "no u" moment he just had. Not explaining your reads suggests they are fake.
While not explaining my reads does make them seem fake, they aren't. If I didn't think you were town so badly, I would have voted you at this point. Maybe scum!Gamma just made a really good job at leaving something that has no relevance and I'm just overthinking it.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:57 am

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Gamma, I thought you were cop to be honest since you linked me to a cop game.
Could honestly just be very terrible logic tho.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:58 am

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Was right with the townread tho.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:03 am

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I am not an ascetic either.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:09 am

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In post 697, Asphodel wrote:Why do you think this vote without conviction is more red than other votes without conviction that have happened this game?

Have you expressed this sentiment (voting w/o conviction is scummy) in any previous games?
First question I don't really understand what your asking. If you're asking me why I think it's scummy, I think that all votes when they are casted matter and quite frankly say "I think this person is scummy" unless it's RVS, then it's to apply pressure. We're also way out of RVS now.
Gin was probably trying to see how I would respond under pressure.
But I think that's something that moreso applies later within the day.

Also I when I voted All Alone I believed that they are scum and I still kinda do.

As for the 2nd question, I don't understand how I'm supposed to answer this.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:12 am

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Also @Asphodel, don't talk about my ongoing games please. I think that's against site rules, is it not?
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Post Post #704 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:46 am

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In post 703, Asphodel wrote:can we not bring it back?
This makes me want to, but I'm comfortable on the All Alone wagon. After all, I'm probably going to be All Alone on it. Like the majority of my life. All Alone.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:09 pm

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Holy shit Flubber I think you just caught Scum!-Grey-
VOTE: -Grey-
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Post Post #709 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:11 pm

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Actually Gamma did. Flubber just pointed me in a direction of something that I missed.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:59 pm

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In post 719, Asphodel wrote:Q2: Basically I'm asking if there are any other games in which you had become suspicious of someone for voting without conviction.
Besides in one of my current games, no.
In post 719, Asphodel wrote:I don't think I said anything out of line in regards to those. If I understand correctly I'm not allowed to speculate about your alignment in those games or discuss what's happened, but I think all I did was mention that you were currently in two other games.
This is fair and probably what happened. Sry.
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Post Post #722 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:59 pm

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In post 721, Alisae wrote:
In post 719, Asphodel wrote:Q2: Basically I'm asking if there are any other games in which you had become suspicious of someone for voting without conviction.
Besides in one of my current games, no.
To add to this, the situation never really happened so I couldn't find anyone sus for it.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:21 pm

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In post 723, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 722, Alisae wrote:
In post 721, Alisae wrote:
In post 719, Asphodel wrote:Q2: Basically I'm asking if there are any other games in which you had become suspicious of someone for voting without conviction.
Besides in one of my current games, no.
To add to this, the situation never really happened so I couldn't find anyone sus for it.
So, me voting was somethin you've never seen so you thought it was scummy?
Yep. Never = Besides one of my current games.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:17 pm

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I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.

He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:38 pm

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In post 521, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 489, -Grey- wrote:
In post 488, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 483, -Grey- wrote:
In post 482, Naomi-Tan wrote:given that Reds have no day talk
How do you know this?
its not in the rules so Im assuming.
"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.

VOTE: Naomi

You slipped hard.
That's not a slip, town has done it before.
It's not a slip because it's safe to assume that scum do not have daytalk unless the following is true.
A. Scum has an Encryptor.
B. They do not have an Encryptor which the mod is required to announce it according to this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
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Post Post #734 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:20 pm

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Reads!

It's litterally me tier
: Me
Not touching today
: Naomi, Gamma, HS
Probably not touching today
: Rainbow Dash, krylea,
Has fallen off really hard
: Gin,
Has risen tier
: Asphodel, Flubbernugget, Ircher
Has fallen off hard
: TwoFace
Needs rope
: -Grey-, All Alone, Gamma

Gamma is only considered for the needs rope category in the event that we decide to get rid of all of them Ascetics and spend day 1 doing most of the scumhuntings.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:22 pm

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In post 733, XnadrojX wrote:Not Voting 4 (Ircher, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Rainbowdash)
Vote some nerds when ywall get the chance please, otherwise it looks bad cause to me this reads to me as ywall have no strong scumreads.
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Post Post #737 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:36 pm

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In post 736, Rainbowdash wrote:1) The "scum don't have day talk" is not a slip. It is something that you should always operate on as being true unless something presents itself to directly say otherwise. If Naomi said scum DO have day talk, that would be worth jumping on. As it stands she said something that I would bet all my bits everypony else assumed is the case.
Do you think that the people who are trying to push it are scummy for pushing it.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:03 pm

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Hey RainbrowDash. I don't like bronies and stuff, but I'm willing to set aside that difference and work with you because I think your town and I won't lynch you.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:06 pm

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Also Dash what are your reads on the other ponys in da house?
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Post Post #743 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:06 pm

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Also Dash what are your reads on the other ponys in da house?
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Post Post #744 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:06 pm

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Woops doublepost, mybad
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Post Post #750 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:50 pm

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Iz okay Gamma, we learn all of the newthings everyday.

Flubber what do you think of the Grey wagon? Do you like it? Do you not? Do you wanna hop on it?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:00 pm

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Now that I think about it, Grey's origonal vote on me seemed very forced.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:10 pm

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In post 758, Ircher wrote:
In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.

He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.
Whats your point here?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:16 pm

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In post 766, Ircher wrote:
In post 762, Alisae wrote:
In post 758, Ircher wrote:
In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.

He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.
Whats your point here?
It's a pretty much useless "tell".
Can you prove that it's wrong?
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Post Post #772 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:18 pm

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I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.
^ Something a player that I respect once told me.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:43 pm

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In post 782, -Grey- wrote:
In post 781, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'd vote Grey but I'm going to sleep in an an hour or two so it'd be a waste but expect it when I wake up.
Be a fucking man and vote me. This shit doesn't make you look town.
A. I agree.
B. He's new.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:28 pm

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Hmm, Alright, I'll also dig the Asphodel wagon.
Tho Grey could be a scum rolecop.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:25 pm

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In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
What if there is a scum rb that just rbs you the whole game. You'll being a favor for the maf and guiding the town to do mislynches xD
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Post Post #841 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:43 pm

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@mod I'm not voting All Alone at the moment


You're on Asphodel. All Alone is voting you
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Post Post #904 (isolation #91) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:10 am

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Grey, in the event that I missed them, what are your current reads?
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Post Post #907 (isolation #92) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:15 am

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In post 906, -Grey- wrote:
In post 904, Alisae wrote:Grey, in the event that I missed them, what are your current reads?
And give away my target?

Pass.

Figure it out from my posts.
Thats fair.
Do you want to give out townreads?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #93) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:33 am

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VOTE: Ircher
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Post Post #931 (isolation #94) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:35 am

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In post 929, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 899, -Grey- wrote:
In post 897, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.
All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.

That's brilliant.

No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.
This. This is exactly why I think focusing on Greys alignment and trying to lynch him is silly. He falls on his own sword if he is lying
Yeah, I'm gonna 2nd this. If Grey is lieing, he deserves a scummy.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #95) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:44 am

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In post 941, Ircher wrote:We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.
Why are you speculating about set ups?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #96) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:49 am

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In post 948, -Grey- wrote:
In post 943, Alisae wrote:
In post 941, Ircher wrote:We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.
Why are you speculating about set ups?
Why do you care?
Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #97) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:54 am

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In post 953, -Grey- wrote:
In post 950, Alisae wrote:
In post 948, -Grey- wrote:
In post 943, Alisae wrote:
In post 941, Ircher wrote:We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.
Why are you speculating about set ups?
Why do you care?
Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.
Why not?

There have been many games broken by setup spec.
It's IIoA
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Post Post #960 (isolation #98) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:57 am

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In post 958, Ircher wrote:If you are suggesting I haven't given analysis before.......
Why are you implying that I'm suggesting that you haven't given analysis this game?
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Post Post #966 (isolation #99) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:27 am

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BTW All Alone, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum again?
Becuase if it's just based off of my first game, I would like you to link your first game so I can read that and see how you played.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #100) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:34 pm

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Krylea, am I the only person who is All Alone in that they think that All Alone is scum?
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:06 pm

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Aw I liked my new one tho...
Fine I'll change it back.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:33 pm

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RainbowDash, what's your opinion on the Ircher wagon?
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:40 pm

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You are one interesting pony.
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #104) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:31 pm

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Yeaaaah. I dunno who the fuck I want to lynch now.
All I know is that it's not Human Sequencer, it's not Naomi, and it certainly ain't Gamma.

I don't like this pony tho.
I feel like the only alignment to try to not believe the cop claim is scum.
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:41 pm

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In post 1097, Human Sequencer wrote:^(alisae) worth noting in the moment that this looks bussy as fuck at a glance, not digging into it too deep atm though
I could see how you think that, but I have a bit more behind this besides Rainbow Dash not believing the Cop Claim.

I also feel as if RainbowDash could have told Gamma that asking Asectics to claim is stupid for a reason. To make a long story short, I feel as if he told Gamma not to ask for Asectic claims so that he can build paranoia in the town.
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #106) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:52 pm

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In post 1117, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:2. Ascetics who can't be invested
Who says we are garenteed to ahve Ascetics?
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #107) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:54 pm

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I don't remember seeing anyone claim Ascetic. Yet again I don't exaclty have the best attention span.

So Gin, let me ask you again. What makes you so sure we have Ascetics. It's only confirmed that we have an enabler.
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #108) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:59 pm

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In post 1117, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:2. Ascetics who can't be invested
In post 1127, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:P-Edit: Alisae, I'm going on the hypothetical that if Gamma is an ascetic Enabler then hypothetically ascetic exists or he is a townie with a name but no game.
I'm just gonna leave these here.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #109) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:05 pm

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In post 1130, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1128, Alisae wrote:
In post 1117, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:2. Ascetics who can't be invested
In post 1127, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:P-Edit: Alisae, I'm going on the hypothetical that if Gamma is an ascetic Enabler then hypothetically ascetic exists or he is a townie with a name but no game.
I'm just gonna leave these here.
I'm not following what you're seeing?
You just went from a hard stance to hypotheticals.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #110) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:09 pm

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Fine. I'll back off it for now. I'll also take some reading classes on the reading rainbow while I'm at it.
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #111) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:11 pm

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In post 1137, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1136, Alisae wrote:Fine. I'll back off it for now. I'll also take some reading classes on the reading rainbow while I'm at it.
Vote Dash for great justice while you're in the mood to be cooperative, would ya?
Been there, did that.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #112) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:03 pm

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Naomi, Grey was forced to cop claim because he was at L-2.

And Rainbow isn't playing like a Miller according to Gamma.
But let me ask you something. I want you to re-read Rainbow's posts. And doing so, I want you to think "Is Rainbow trying to plant paranoia in the town?"
Because I feel like that's exactly what he's doing.
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #113) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:20 pm

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In post 1158, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1095, Alisae wrote:Yeaaaah. I dunno who the fuck I want to lynch now.
All I know is that it's not Human Sequencer, it's not Naomi, and it certainly ain't Gamma.

I don't like this pony tho.
I feel like the only alignment to try to not believe the cop claim is scum.
VOTE: RainbowDash
No cop is kinda a safe red claim. You already know who Green are and can then start confirming people who are middle teir before shooting them off the next night or confirming a Pr as they get killed. Given you know who red and green are and where reds NK goes you could easily do stuff like this;

Fake Cop Target Gamma. (with either roleblock or Rolecop)
Killer Target Gamma.

Suddenly you have a watcher/tracker confirming You targeted the killed. With someone else. You say you copped them to confirm their role and the other person flips red. Suddenly you've outted a tracker/watcher PR and Confirmed your Fake PR to the rest of town. Given that you can then easily start offing people. starting with the investigative role that confirmed you and moving on to the rest of town. For bonus points have your remaining red buddy claim nurse and no kill one night (prob the first night) and when mass roleclaim comes you have a confirmed Doc and Cop on reds team. Its classic XD

But yeah Cop super safe as long as there isn't a second cop in the game Your pretty much safe.
I'm not thinking that because of what he said about cops. I'm thinking it because of what he said about Asectics.
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:27 pm

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In post 1161, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1159, Alisae wrote:
In post 1158, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1095, Alisae wrote:Yeaaaah. I dunno who the fuck I want to lynch now.
All I know is that it's not Human Sequencer, it's not Naomi, and it certainly ain't Gamma.

I don't like this pony tho.
I feel like the only alignment to try to not believe the cop claim is scum.
VOTE: RainbowDash
No cop is kinda a safe red claim. You already know who Green are and can then start confirming people who are middle teir before shooting them off the next night or confirming a Pr as they get killed. Given you know who red and green are and where reds NK goes you could easily do stuff like this;

Fake Cop Target Gamma. (with either roleblock or Rolecop)
Killer Target Gamma.

Suddenly you have a watcher/tracker confirming You targeted the killed. With someone else. You say you copped them to confirm their role and the other person flips red. Suddenly you've outted a tracker/watcher PR and Confirmed your Fake PR to the rest of town. Given that you can then easily start offing people. starting with the investigative role that confirmed you and moving on to the rest of town. For bonus points have your remaining red buddy claim nurse and no kill one night (prob the first night) and when mass roleclaim comes you have a confirmed Doc and Cop on reds team. Its classic XD

But yeah Cop super safe as long as there isn't a second cop in the game Your pretty much safe.
I'm not thinking that because of what he said about cops. I'm thinking it because of what he said about Asectics.
TBH I've sorta given up trying to meta out this game balance. Its all janky IMO
Let me try to lead you onto the conclusion I came to then.
Why could scum!rainbowdash not want Ascetics to claim?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:10 pm

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Next question: What if scum had no Ascetics?

This theory falls apart if they do btw.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:28 pm

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In post 1169, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1168, Alisae wrote:Next question: What if scum had no Ascetics?

This theory falls apart if they do btw.
Not really I said my last thing as if Green had the Ascetic.
I feel like scum not having Ascetics is possible and the reason that Rainbow doesn't want them claiming is because it's a step closer for us building a stronger townblock for us to lead lynches off of.
With that said tho, this falls apart if they do have Ascetics, which then I feel like Rainbow would want Ascetics to claim so that his own Ascetics could blend in with more ease.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #117) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:11 am

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In post 1171, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1170, Alisae wrote:
In post 1169, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1168, Alisae wrote:Next question: What if scum had no Ascetics?

This theory falls apart if they do btw.
Not really I said my last thing as if Green had the Ascetic.
I feel like scum not having Ascetics is possible and the reason that Rainbow doesn't want them claiming is because it's a step closer for us building a stronger townblock for us to lead lynches off of.
With that said tho, this falls apart if they do have Ascetics, which then I feel like Rainbow would want Ascetics to claim so that his own Ascetics could blend in with more ease.
Nah as a power role Ascetics doesn't really stop or slow Reds and they can shoot them if they want. Rainbows stuff is how the cop claim reads fake.
I'm not thinking that it hinders them.
But if scum had no Ascetics, how would it help town if town knew who the Ascetics were?
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #118) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:20 am

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Can we get a VC? or an unoffical VC please?
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #119) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:33 pm

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Ya know it actually gets you town points if you hammer scum.
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #120) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:22 pm

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In post 1367, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Excuse me for using the wiki for shit I don't know about and quite honestly I'll believe a wiki over a player
The wiki is outdated.
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #121) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:43 pm

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Yep. I think Gin hammered if not Gin Ircher.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #122) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:52 pm

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In post 1419, Ircher wrote:
AniX wrote:
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Btws, this^
Please don't miss it. :dead:
I iz dumb.
Explain.
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Post Post #1439 (isolation #123) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:17 pm

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VOTE: Gin
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #124) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:18 pm

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Grey what did you do during your holidays?
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #125) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:42 pm

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/me eats popcorn.

Dis gon b gud
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #126) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:44 pm

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Entertainers don't get popcorn.
The people who get entertained by it do.
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Post Post #1457 (isolation #127) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:50 pm

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Actually Grey, how do you know you were jailed by the jailkeeper?
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #128) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:57 pm

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Either way, Grey, if you want to share you who are planning to investigate, go ahead. But always include multiple names (no more then 3, no less then 3). And put some on there that you don't plan on investigating. It'll be good for knowing what kind of reactions you'll get. And if you get RB'd by a scum!rb, that's also a reaction.

And yes Grey, we know you're psychic and we love you, but that's a bullshit answer to that question and you know it cuz scum could have a roleblocker.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #129) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:49 am

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Krylea, you had the N1 to go over day 1.
VOTE: Krylea
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I origonally voted Gin because I assumed Grey had investigated overnight, but I still don't like the fac thtat Gin defended rainbow dash so hard.
Also Naomi concerns me for not voting during Day 1, it's like she had no notable scumreads.
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #130) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:50 am

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In post 1504, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1413, Ircher wrote:
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For those wondering how I knew I was jailed.
Oh I get it now.
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #131) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:50 am

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In post 1519, krylea wrote:
In post 1517, Alisae wrote:Krylea, you had the N1 to go over day 1.
VOTE: Krylea
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I origonally voted Gin because I assumed Grey had investigated overnight, but I still don't like the fac thtat Gin defended rainbow dash so hard.
Also Naomi concerns me for not voting during Day 1, it's like she had no notable scumreads.
N1 was christmas
Fine.
The day before Christmas.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #132) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:53 am

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In post 1522, krylea wrote:
In post 1521, Alisae wrote:
In post 1519, krylea wrote:
In post 1517, Alisae wrote:Krylea, you had the N1 to go over day 1.
VOTE: Krylea
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I origonally voted Gin because I assumed Grey had investigated overnight, but I still don't like the fac thtat Gin defended rainbow dash so hard.
Also Naomi concerns me for not voting during Day 1, it's like she had no notable scumreads.
N1 was christmas
Fine.
The day before Christmas.
I had christmas plans on the 24th as well. Sorry I didn't do a bigger catchup earlier, but it is kind of an unfortunate season.
Okay that's fair.
Why not while Gin and Grey were doing whatever the fuck they were doing?
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #133) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:56 am

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In post 1524, krylea wrote:Don't you think that other scum would have wanted to try to push the Gin wagon first since it was obvious I was getting voted today?
I can WIFOM this all fucking day.
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Post Post #1527 (isolation #134) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:58 am

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My pronoun says he.
My tone is feminine.
My voice is feminine.
My avi is feminine.
My name is feminine.
At this point, I'm used to people misgendering me.
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #135) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:04 am

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no it doesn't.
I like being cute actually.
And I've been getting misgendered for a long time I stopped caring and I've been playing around with that.
Because people assume other peoples genders.
Like what is this, 2016?
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Post Post #1531 (isolation #136) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:06 am

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I don't care if I get misgendered or not. That's the point.
Even if you were to go around saying she when you're talking about me I wouldn't care.
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #137) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:43 am

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he did, he was a mafia ascetic
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #138) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:14 am

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Naomi what were your scumreads D1?
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #139) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:29 am

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If you didn't trust Gamma then why didn't you vote him?
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #140) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:33 am

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Actually, I'ma just do this.
VOTE: Naomi-tan
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #141) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:39 am

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@MOD It's not night anymore.

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Post Post #1563 (isolation #142) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:13 am

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You weren't voting day 1.
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #143) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:41 am

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Fine, if you think Gamma is currently your strongest scumread, I'll get off you, but I'm not currently happy with you. It seemed like you were fencesitting to be honest.
VOTE: Krylea
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #144) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:52 pm

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I still think they're both scum.
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #145) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:11 pm

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Post Post #1588 (isolation #146) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:52 pm

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You're underaged.
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Post Post #1595 (isolation #147) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:05 pm

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Grey, name 3 people you may end up investigating. If you get RB'd tonight, then that's a reaction we can go off of.
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #148) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:10 pm

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Fair. Tho my death will be a mislynch.
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #149) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:15 pm

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Yes because scum would obviously confirm your read.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #150) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 6:02 pm

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Well if ya live ya might as well invest me if you really think I'm scum.
Or AA for that lolhammer.
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #151) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:04 pm

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@MOD Can we have a final D2 VC??{/b]

And why are the only people I really don't want to lynch at the moment are Gamma and HS?
Like seriously, I feel like I hate everyone else this game.
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #152) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:04 pm

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In post 1606, Alisae wrote:
@MOD Can we have a final D2 VC??


And why are the only people I really don't want to lynch at the moment are Gamma and HS?
Like seriously, I feel like I hate everyone else this game.
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Post Post #1608 (isolation #153) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:11 pm

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Actually, why didn't Krylea claim?
And who did she try to kill N1? Grey?

It might be worth awhile to go back to her ISO or something to see if she crumbed or something or if she somehow softed or some shit to scum. It could have been very likely that she SK told to one of the scum and that's why there was a push on her.
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Post Post #1609 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:14 pm

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While we're at it.
VOTE: All Alone
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:29 pm

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Actually, ya know what. I really don't like you.
Challenge: All Alone
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #156) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 1636, TwoFace wrote:She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
Where? AKA I'm asking for citations.
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #157) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:33 am

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And I just noticed that no one bought my attmept to fake gladiate. Aww rip ;~;
Yeah, I still think that their vote on me is still scummy as fuck.
Like legit I don't see why town would compare my play to my first ever game of mafia ever.
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Post Post #1641 (isolation #158) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:34 am

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In post 1611, All Alone wrote:krylea didn't claim because I didn't give her the chance to. Her last wallpost came off to me as incredibly survivalist. When a townie's on the ropes and expects to get lynched, there's usually a last-ditch effort to direct the town. "When I die, lynch BLANK next". Scum don't care as much since nobody's going to listen to dead scum. Her wallpost was full of analysis but had almost no direction to it. I saw it as a last ditch effort to try to lamist the wagon off her and threw the hammer accordingly.

and like, why the fuck would an SK crumb?
Yeah, why would people crumb in general?
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #159) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:36 am

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They could attempt to crumb vig.
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #160) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:40 am

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Yeah, SK crumbing SK doesn't make that much sense to me.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #161) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:42 am

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Also becoming piegirl would have been cool.
Game of reference: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31652
Pieguyn was SK and adorable. But still eventually lynched.
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #162) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:43 am

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She also asked to get leashed.
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #163) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:47 am

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Shouldn't you be sitting down in the first place?
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #164) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:51 am

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Your wierd
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #165) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:51 am

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In post 1651, Alisae wrote:You're wierd
gotta edit those typos ;~;
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #166) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:53 am

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This is true.
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #167) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:01 am

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When all the scum gun git rekt
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #168) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:08 am

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Anyways, HS. Convince me on town AA.
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Post Post #1658 (isolation #169) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:19 am

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@MOD What alignment was Grey?
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #170) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:20 am

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I'm assuming town but I hate laziness.
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #171) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:57 am

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In post 1660, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1610, Alisae wrote:Actually, ya know what. I really don't like you.
Challenge: All Alone
Is this real?
Naaaaah
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #172) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:37 pm

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That really doesn't sound like a slip to me...
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Post Post #1676 (isolation #173) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:42 pm

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Page number please.
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #174) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:50 pm

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VOTE: Twoface
Dropped my biggest scumtell.
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Post Post #1683 (isolation #175) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:54 pm

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you mean my two biggest scumreads besides you? Sure!
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #176) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:55 pm

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In post 1682, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1680, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Twoface
Dropped my biggest scumtell.
Impossible as I'm not scum but I don't have time right now to argue
You pushed a slip
that may have not been a slip.
Scum.
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #177) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:58 pm

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No, it's a scumtell. It's a scumtell that a player I respect a lot uses and pushes the fuck out of. It works pretty well for me so far.
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #178) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:17 pm

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A poor child trying to stay relevant.
Use the night to catch-up next time.
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #179) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:10 pm

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Iz okay mod, all mudkipz will be forgiven.
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #180) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:55 pm

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Townblock HS and Gamma, what are we doing.
Because I am okay with a lynch on Twoface, AA, or Naomi.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #181) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:03 pm

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Um SK isn't scum?
Either way how do you know AA wasn't bussing RD?
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #182) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:15 pm

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Because I'm town? I voted RD because I thought they were spreading paranoia throughout the town.
My point is you're not taking into consideration if anyone could have been bussing.
Being on a wagon that lynched scum doesn't automaticly make the person on the wagon town.
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #183) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:34 pm

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Actually, looking back at how hard Gin pushed Krylea makes me want to lynch Gin.
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #184) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:38 am

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In post 1724, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1608, Alisae wrote:Actually, why didn't Krylea claim?
And who did she try to kill N1? Grey?

It might be worth awhile to go back to her ISO or something to see if she crumbed or something or if she somehow softed or some shit to scum. It could have been very likely that she SK told to one of the scum and that's why there was a push on her.
In post 1609, Alisae wrote:While we're at it.
VOTE: All Alone
In post 1610, Alisae wrote:Actually, ya know what. I really don't like you.
Challenge: All Alone
So yeah there's no reason to town read a sk hammer but what exactly is your problem here?
In post 1640, Alisae wrote:And I just noticed that no one bought my attmept to fake gladiate. Aww rip ;~;
Yeah, I still think that their vote on me is still scummy as fuck.
Like legit I don't see why town would compare my play to my first ever game of mafia ever.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #185) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:01 am

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In post 1710, Human Sequencer wrote:Why do you want to run down Naomi?
Both days she didn't really have any votes (except by the end of day 2 where she voted Gamma) because I got on her case about it. Also buddying the weakest player has it's risk reward. If she could pull it off (which she did at the time), then she gets towncred from me. If she couldn't she gets lynched. At the time I saw no reason why scum would go out of their way to buddy me when I could have turned into a lynch so that's mostly why I gave her towncredit, but I think Naomi buddied me so that I'd give her towncredit. Also her not voting implies that she's fencesitting.
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #186) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:09 am

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I mean that she didn't have any votes by the end of the day. But TF what about that statement stands out for you?
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #187) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:14 am

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OH. Well she had no vote by the end of day 1. This is what she responded when I asked for her scumreads:
In post 1551, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1478, Naomi-Tan wrote:During the start of D1 I thought I had the game solved with; Gin and Gamma and Ircher being the red team
Then Interactions happened making -Grey-, Alisae, TwoFace and Human Sequencer Green
Then Gamma Claims and I'm like wut?
Then RD comes out and is like Here is good stuff while -Grey- is red and I'm like; Hmm yeah thats well thought out.. but then turns out there red.. with so much effort too and I'm just confused..
and then this flip I guess Gamma Gin could be the last two remaining red members but I just can't bring myself to trust my gamma read after that claim.. Urgh.. everything is going wrong!
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #188) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:14 am

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Also Naomi still voted Gamma by the end of day 2.
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #189) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:15 pm

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VOTE: All Alone
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #190) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:41 pm

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It states why I think AA is scummy. If you disagree with it that's fine, but trying to discredit it makes you scummy ;)
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #191) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:16 pm

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VOTE: Flubbernugget
Yep, down with this. Hate how he discredits me.
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #192) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:45 pm

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Naomi you better explain your case on Gin, because that is what I like to call bullshit.
That's also before the cop claim.
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #193) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:23 pm

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Yeah I did. And that's what I meant in that post as well.
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #194) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:23 pm

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Either way, whats the point of this wall of text again?
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #195) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:29 pm

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In post 1781, Naomi-Tan wrote:You'll have to direct me to the part your talking about here as you didn't define at what this is a response to.
In post 1778, Naomi-Tan wrote:You asked me about my Red reads Day 1 not about the current red reads. This is an entirely different question to the one you framed.
In post 1748, Alisae wrote:OH. Well she had no vote by the end of day 1. This is what she responded when I asked for her scumreads:
In post 1551, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1478, Naomi-Tan wrote:During the start of D1 I thought I had the game solved with; Gin and Gamma and Ircher being the red team
Then Interactions happened making -Grey-, Alisae, TwoFace and Human Sequencer Green
Then Gamma Claims and I'm like wut?
Then RD comes out and is like Here is good stuff while -Grey- is red and I'm like; Hmm yeah thats well thought out.. but then turns out there red.. with so much effort too and I'm just confused..
and then this flip I guess Gamma Gin could be the last two remaining red members but I just can't bring myself to trust my gamma read after that claim.. Urgh.. everything is going wrong!
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #196) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:30 pm

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Also Naomi I think you're starting to sound like self-conscious scum.
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #197) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:00 pm

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GOD DAMMIT GIN YOU SNIPED ME.
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #198) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:35 pm

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Mod VC please?
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Post Post #1806 (isolation #199) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:48 pm

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Naomi go to sleep. You're being helpful, and I don't think you're as scum, maybe null.
With that said, place a vote before you go to sleep. Flubber is playing basicly like oppertunistic scum and he just go caught so let's punish him for that.
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