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Post Post #31 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:58 am

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In post 10, Human Sequencer wrote:Mod, your text is 110% unreadable on mafSilv. Not sure if you're aware.
VOTE: alisae

PEDIT: UNVOTE:
VOTE: Naomi
Same with the mobile theme
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Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:00 am

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In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:
I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.


I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.
I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.

That font doesn't work for me either but I can manage without reading your posts.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:23 am

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Why? You need people to distract grey from sr'ing you?
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Post Post #48 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:54 am

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In post 46, Asphodel wrote:In my first game, I was a Town Cop. I locked onto someone who I thought was scum Day 1 and went after them pretty much the whole day. I think I confirmation-biased them pretty hard since the most important thing I remember about them is that I didn't enjoy playing with them. The person I scumread Day 1 ended up being the doctor and we lynched 1 of 2 scum Day 1. I found the other scum Night 2, so the game ended pretty soon after that.
You are like a combination of me and Naomi. :lol:

Me for this quote.
Naomi for the huge wall you just made.

This game just got more fun.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:07 am

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Not so much the walls. The personalities.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:05 pm

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Damn. Go out to lunch and watch rogue one and y'all start having fun.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:30 pm

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In post 57, Ircher wrote:
In post 43, TwoFace wrote:Why? You need people to distract grey from sr'ing you?
:facepalm:

We have lots to discuss this game it seems....
Why the facepalm? You must not get sarcasm
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Post Post #222 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:31 pm

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In post 60, Ircher wrote:No one did. Don't be rude.
Really? Then why so serious?
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Post Post #226 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:33 pm

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In post 70, All Alone wrote:
In post 32, TwoFace wrote:
In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:
I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.


I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.
I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.
Why are you voting for something you don't think town needs?

VOTE: TwoFace
Well hello scum.

I voted cause why not. Just cause I'm optimistic about not needing it, it's stupid to not ask for it.

Sorry guys. I tried.

VOTE: all alone
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Post Post #227 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 74, All Alone wrote:
In post 71, Ircher wrote:Why not when it's a deadline extension?
Personally, I don't generally think more time is pro-town. If it were, chat and face-to-face mafia would have much higher scum winrates than forum mafia. I think stagnation is a bigger problem for towns on MS than the deadline is, so I don't want to vote for a deadline extension.

(Admittedly, this is my first time playing on MS in juuuust over a year, and I'm aware the meta may have shifted, but for now I'm trusting my own experience.)

Regardless, I'm interested in the pro-town motivation for TwoFace voting for a deadline extension if he doesn't think it'll help town.
Where did I say it wouldn't help town? Citation needed.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:37 pm

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Gotta run. When I get back please have all alone at l-2 at least. He's scum.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #11) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:10 pm

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In post 232, Naomi-Tan wrote:You think thats red aligned? I thought It was just too bold for a red manuver.
Yes I do. Hence the vote
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Post Post #244 (isolation #12) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:11 pm

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In post 233, Asphodel wrote:TwoFace, were you caught up when you made that post?
In post 234, Asphodel wrote:Heads up, I'm at L-2.
No I haven't.

Don't care if you're at l-2.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #13) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:12 pm

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In post 241, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey two face. You have anything to say about recent posts on this page.
Aside from the posts I just made. No I don't.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:22 pm

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I haven't even got there yet. I'm on the end of page 3
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Post Post #250 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:26 pm

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Ok...
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Post Post #251 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:32 pm

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In post 81, Ircher wrote:Anyway, would like to point everyone to my wiki page with an ~30% or so win rate.
In post 90, Ircher wrote:Sometimes that's the case, but other times, there truly is a lot to talk about and not enough time to do so. Having less time just makes the scramble occur earlier would is only marginally better at best and most if the time, neutral or even worse imo.

Pedit: Here's some stats for you: I've played 30 games recorded on my wiki page with 8 wins, 22 losses, 27% winrate. I have been town 87% of the time. (26 town, 2 scum, and 2 other). And, I am not undermining anything. Show how I am undermining the town's goal. If you are going to actively throw shade on me, please research me first and tell me if this behavior differs from other games I've played.

Pedit2: VOTE: Gray. Also, those posts were awful. Humor or not, still awful.
I'd be ok lynching this guy also
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Post Post #252 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:34 pm

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In post 108, All Alone wrote:
In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
How is this guy not the one at l-2.

That other dude did something worse? This is horrible posting.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:35 pm

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In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.
Wtf
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Post Post #254 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:35 pm

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In post 130, Alisae wrote:
In post 129, Flubbernugget wrote:The two wagons(?) seem to be on omega and Grey and I don't get either of them
Neither do I.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:37 pm

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In post 136, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think Asphodel is a bad townie.
Agreed
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Post Post #257 (isolation #21) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:37 pm

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In post 255, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 253, TwoFace wrote:
In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.
Wtf
Do as I say.
I don't even like to read the games I play. Certainly don't want to read some other game.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:39 pm

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In post 139, Human Sequencer wrote:Scum don't need to read the thread as intently,
You've played with me before so how you can even say this is beyond me.

Then power wagon me cause I ain't reading it
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Post Post #263 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:40 pm

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Yeah this Aphro wagon is bad. All alone or ircher is where it's at.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:41 pm

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In post 235, Naomi-Tan wrote: This really Reads TvT..
Disagree. Ircher is scum.

Just need to find the 3rd. This game is too easy
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Post Post #271 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:58 pm

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In post 266, Naomi-Tan wrote:TwoFace >> Very weak read. Just from not noticing the reaction test thing I did. He finds 180's stupidly Red aligned. So its normally something he would take note of and I am surpised he didn't take note of it without me having to point it out. This read will likely change TF is hard to pin down this early in the game. Eh I guess its what ever.
You did a reaction test?
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Post Post #273 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 268, Asphodel wrote:OK this may be a really dumb question but how do we know there are 3 scum? I mean, just from a game balance perspective that'd make sense but I'm going to feel really dumb if there's a role list somewhere that I'm missing.
13p games typically have 3 scum. There are exceptions but aren't very often
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Post Post #275 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xD
How's it funny?
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Post Post #278 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 274, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 271, TwoFace wrote:
In post 266, Naomi-Tan wrote:TwoFace >> Very weak read. Just from not noticing the reaction test thing I did. He finds 180's stupidly Red aligned. So its normally something he would take note of and I am surpised he didn't take note of it without me having to point it out. This read will likely change TF is hard to pin down this early in the game. Eh I guess its what ever.
You did a reaction test?
Yeah kinda. It wasn't a very good one. I was trusting you to notice that between the two posts I linked in one they thought that Ircher was red then they one 180'd and acted like gray was the obvious red.
I wouldn't call that a reaction test but yeah that's a good catch.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:05 pm

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In post 276, Alisae wrote:
In post 259, Alisae wrote:TwoFace, why is All Alone scum?
Making posts I can't see a townie making. Putting words into my mouth and then using it against me.

You know. Stuff you could have picked up on if you read my posts.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
Da fuck? To quote Samuel L.

Who the fuck is this asshole?

I'm not lynchbait nor am i trying to be lynch bait
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Post Post #285 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:09 pm

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In post 284, Naomi-Tan wrote:PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.
I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. I reread it twice and still didn't understand what you were trying to say.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:16 pm

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In post 236, Asphodel wrote:I know you're still reading through, but when you're done I'd appreciate an explanation of why you think 110 reads TvT, especially how it makes Grey look town.
Why are you worried about how it makes grey look?
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Post Post #301 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:27 pm

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Of course I did.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:03 pm

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In post 310, All Alone wrote:
In post 227, TwoFace wrote:
In post 74, All Alone wrote:
In post 71, Ircher wrote:Why not when it's a deadline extension?
Personally, I don't generally think more time is pro-town. If it were, chat and face-to-face mafia would have much higher scum winrates than forum mafia. I think stagnation is a bigger problem for towns on MS than the deadline is, so I don't want to vote for a deadline extension.

(Admittedly, this is my first time playing on MS in juuuust over a year, and I'm aware the meta may have shifted, but for now I'm trusting my own experience.)

Regardless, I'm interested in the pro-town motivation for TwoFace voting for a deadline extension if he doesn't think it'll help town.
Where did I say it wouldn't help town? Citation needed.
In post 32, TwoFace wrote:I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.
thanks for proving I'm right. I didn't notice an apology though. Why not?
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Post Post #455 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:59 am

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In post 422, All Alone wrote:Alisae/Asphodel/TwoFace can be the scumpile
Still waiting for that apology scum boy.

Why aren't you lynched yet? You vote for something non AI, you lie about me saying something I clearly didn't say, and when informed of your mistake you can't even admit you made it and apologize?

Yeah you're scum.

Why are people not voting this dude?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:59 am

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In post 454, Human Sequencer wrote:All alone is probably town.
No chance. Vote him or you're next
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Post Post #458 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:00 am

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In post 427, -Grey- wrote:My my, what a development.

An Alisae red flip will make me very interested in Naomi.
Yeah alisae probably is town here.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:02 am

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In post 457, Human Sequencer wrote:Sorry TwoFace, All Alone is probably town.
Based on what? Everything he's done make more sense from a red not a green
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Post Post #460 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:03 am

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You're definitely going to have to explain this mystery town read. You've only mentioned him twice as that was on this page.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:22 am

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nah I don't agree with 108 only because the game just started so the inactives are the people who haven't checked in yet or are unaware the game started. If this was like late Day 1 or Day 2 or something maybe he had a point, but not early day 1.

maybe I am misreading 195 but I don't see any of what you just said. In the earlier posts, Aspho looks much better than Ircher. Those posts by gamma aren't town posts imo. Ircher's defense of gamma is very weird to me. So All alone is casting shade on Aphro when he looks townier in that exchange between him/ircher. That's scum points for AA not town points.

422 - "Ok that makes sense" is a favourably response? how? he then votes Alisae for something from another game.

yeah none of those I can see coming from town.

want to try again or just join me in lynching him?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:32 am

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In post 469, Naomi-Tan wrote:I see what your saying by this. but I would like you to join my wagon. You agree that Gamma's posts early on don't match a Green mindset so let us unite our powers. It may be that AA is the 3rd i'm looking for. But right now we both agree on gamma.
the posts by gamma aren't green mindset but idk if they were red either.

i'm more concerned about the fact that ircher argued they were green and was defending gamma for null posts.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:32 am

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I'll just ignore HS for now. his opinions can't be trusted
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Post Post #475 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:13 am

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In post 473, -Grey- wrote:She seems to be invested in ensuring Alisae isn't run up. Makes sense if she's trying to protect a scum PR.
it also makes sense if she thinks alisae is town and is trying to prevent a mislynch.

why do you not consider that as a possibility?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:23 am

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In post 476, -Grey- wrote:Why do you think I didn't?
cause 473 implies you don't, also an earlier post you made where you suggest they are scum together.

I don't see any post from you where you consider the possibility that naomi could just be town who is wrong.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:23 am

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In post 479, -Grey- wrote:He makes more sense than you.
did you read that post he made? no way
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Post Post #484 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:37 am

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yeah how do you know that?
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Post Post #495 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:15 am

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naomi definitely is aware of encryptor role as it came up in space mafia

VOTE: naomi
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Post Post #517 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 514, Ircher wrote:Why can't he be trusted? This feels more like disagreement than anything.
well obviously it is a disagreement, which is why i am going to ignore his opinions from now on.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:03 am

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In post 525, Gamma Emerald wrote:The way both hopped on based on a non-existent slip is very scummy, but I'm not sure scum would group their votes so close.
Non existent :lol:
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Post Post #531 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:07 am

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In post 529, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean it's not actually a slip.
I disagree
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Post Post #553 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:48 am

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In post 550, Naomi-Tan wrote:Two face you out here?
I am now, sup
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Post Post #554 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:50 am

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In post 552, Human Sequencer wrote:Alright I know I didn't post my gamma case tonight but I really gotta sleep, I'm sorry town. I probably won't be able to do it tomorrow either. It's a busy weekend for a busy sequencer.

Please read Gamma's posts a little more intently. I think you might be able to see what I can see, especially if you read his ISO in micro 665.
i'l wait for your case. gamma is always kind of scummy to me but that's just his playstyle I think
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Post Post #558 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:56 am

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I just don't understand how you just immediately assumed no day talk like that. you as a townie should have/would have considered that we could have an encryptor at play but you didn't seem to consider it.

that looks like a slip to me
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Post Post #566 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:04 am

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You give me too much credit. My memory is shit. When I get to a computer I'll look into what you're saying.
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Post Post #567 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:05 am

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In post 565, Gamma Emerald wrote:NaomiTan confirmed VictorDeAngelo alt???????
He made the same "blue" mistake you did, but was referring to PRs.
Having played with both, don't see similarities in play style
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Post Post #585 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:59 am

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that's a weird post.

if you want to learn about setups, here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

I refer to this a lot when trying to figure out possible setups. You can't even make an educated guess day 1.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:20 am

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In post 588, -Grey- wrote:who is not only sheeping
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Post Post #595 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:26 am

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In post 594, -Grey- wrote:
In post 591, TwoFace wrote:
In post 588, -Grey- wrote:who is not only sheeping
:roll:
Dude you've been tying yourself to me since page two.

I don't know what your agenda is, but I don't like it.
like hell I have
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Post Post #599 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:30 am

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In post 596, -Grey- wrote:His vote came from the fact I pushed Naomi on her slip. If I hadn't, he'd have never made that post about encryptor in the first place.
you can't possibly know that.

being 1st at pointing something out doesn't mean nobody else will see it

p.edit - get out of my mind
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Post Post #600 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:31 am

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In post 291, TwoFace wrote:
In post 236, Asphodel wrote:I know you're still reading through, but when you're done I'd appreciate an explanation of why you think 110 reads TvT, especially how it makes Grey look town.
Why are you worried about how it makes grey look?
Aspho, you never answered my question
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Post Post #608 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:43 am

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In post 604, -Grey- wrote:
Spoiler: 2F all up my business
In post 43, TwoFace wrote:Why? You need people to distract grey from sr'ing you?
In post 222, TwoFace wrote:
In post 60, Ircher wrote:No one did. Don't be rude.
Really? Then why so serious?
In post 291, TwoFace wrote:
In post 236, Asphodel wrote:I know you're still reading through, but when you're done I'd appreciate an explanation of why you think 110 reads TvT, especially how it makes Grey look town.
Why are you worried about how it makes grey look?

In post 495, TwoFace wrote:naomi definitely is aware of encryptor role as it came up in space mafia

VOTE: naomi
2F sheeps my Naomi push.
In post 531, TwoFace wrote:
In post 529, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean it's not actually a slip.
I disagree
2F continues pressing the matter.
In post 558, TwoFace wrote:I just don't understand how you just immediately assumed no day talk like that. you as a townie should have/would have considered that we could have an encryptor at play but you didn't seem to consider it.

that looks like a slip to me
2F continues pressing the matter.
In post 548, Gamma Emerald wrote:TF's vote seems more honest than Grey's.
VOTE: Grey
Gamma voting me for a push that 2F has a bigger hard-on over than I do while calling his vote honest.

I'm happy voting either of these two today.
none of those are actually proof of me up in your business.

thanks for playing.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:45 am

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the fact that I took time to search naomi's iso to see if she was aware of an encryptor, disproves any sheeping accusation. to sheep means to do so blindly. i clearly didn't blindly sheep you if I actually put in work to find proof.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:51 am

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In post 612, -Grey- wrote:
In post 611, TwoFace wrote:the fact that I took time to search naomi's iso to see if she was aware of an encryptor, disproves any sheeping accusation. to sheep means to do so blindly. i clearly didn't blindly sheep you if I actually put in work to find proof.
Your vote never would have happened without mine. Your push is based in the fact I called her out on her slip and you agreed.

Thank you, please drive through.
That's bullshit. My vote happened after I searched Naomi's iso for encryptor and saw she was aware it exsists.

That has literally nothing to do with you.

You think I wouldn't have see the day talk comment if you didn't point it out? Bullshit
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Post Post #615 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:53 am

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So when Naomi flips scum, grey is possible buddy. To remove a vote off confirmed scum makes no sense from town pov
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Post Post #619 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:55 am

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In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
Yet you voted him at least twice. This seems fake.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:05 am

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In post 622, -Grey- wrote:
In post 619, TwoFace wrote:
In post 610, -Grey- wrote:ISOed Ircher, he seems pretty town.
Yet you voted him at least twice. This seems fake.
Yep, I sure did.

At least twice.
and now magically after a iso skim he's town...

yeah scum caught.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:14 am

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In post 632, Naomi-Tan wrote:TF - Why are me and gray on the same team? I understand your red reading both of us, but what benafit would Grays push on me be If I flip red? like wise, why would I attempt to stop the wagon of someone on my team? I know your mad but I need you to focus Cause I'm not seeing a view where me and him are on the same team unless we are trying to foil each others plans in a 3 scroges type deal. also How does these two changes in your reads fit into your previous team comp of all and Ircher (IIRC)
distancing. I see no green motivation for removing his vote off basically confirmed scum.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:17 am

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In post 631, -Grey- wrote:I haven't been voting him for quite some time. Maybe, just maybe, there's a reason for that.
well you unvoted the first time when you basically sheeped HS which is funny since you falsely accuse me of sheeping.

you remove it the 2nd time to sheep all alone


I don't see town motivation in that behaviour, especially when you are trying to imply sheeping is somehow bad.


caught scum you are
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Post Post #638 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:20 am

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In post 634, -Grey- wrote:Naomi, 2F is pushing both of us because he got sucked into the scumslip and now he's butthurt over me calling him out for attaching himself to me since page two.

He's desperate to sell me as scum to discredit my push on him and his buddy.
except you never proved i have attached myself to you

a scum slip did happen and you're backing away from it now is suspicious as fuck especially after this whole new thing i discovered where you seem to have an issue with me sheeping, but somehow it's ok for you to sheep 2 people... :lol:

thanks for making this game so easy for me
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Post Post #639 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:22 am

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In post 637, Naomi-Tan wrote:why is distancing the most likely reason for the sabotage of the Alisae wagon and the push on myself.
Alisae only had 3 votes so there was no real wagon. Grey didn't even have a real reason to be on the wagon to begin with.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:24 am

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In post 640, krylea wrote:you people make it very hard to catch up. how the fuck are there already three more pages, its been like a few hours since i last checked at most.
it's called playing the game.

jump right in and stop complaining about it
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Post Post #643 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 641, Naomi-Tan wrote:TF getting warmed up
:?:
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Post Post #648 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:35 am

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In post 645, -Grey- wrote:Gamma, if you're town then you should know this is my Newbie 1762 play.
calls gamma scum
tries to appeal to him by pointing to previous game meta

yeah so gamma is probably town and grey is still probably scum as suspected.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 649, Naomi-Tan wrote:Could this be distancing?
could be but i don't think scum team is you/grey/gamma
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Post Post #657 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:40 am

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In post 652, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't care about your meta.
this is odd coming from you
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Post Post #658 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 656, Ircher wrote:That's why meta matters -- It tells you how to read a player.
mata is garbage cause it can be manipulated
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Post Post #659 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 654, -Grey- wrote:Don't ask others to read yours if you won't return the favor.
In post 657, TwoFace wrote:this is odd coming from you
inb4 grey accuses me of trying to attach myself to him again...
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Post Post #665 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:47 am

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I'm pretty sure about you. I don't see green motivated posts coming from grey
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Post Post #669 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:54 am

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In post 667, Ircher wrote:What would be nice are some readslists from everyone.
With reasons
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Mine's outdated, but I'll fix that sooner or later.
Ugh no please. Don't encourage bad behavior.

God help us if you're town
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Post Post #670 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:55 am

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In post 668, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fine. I REALLY WANTED to get a hard townread out of this, but since no one knows proper play I have to be the IC of this game.
I am an Ascetic Enabler. I was hoping Ascetics would come forward and claim so I could have townreads to start with. The proper play with the Ascetic modifier is to claim in your first post or so. However, no one seems to get that, so I decided to go hamfisted and link to the last game I played with an Ascetic. STILL no one got it, mostly because no one bothered to read it. So I now have to fucking depants before I can use my role info to find town.
I don't get why you claimed.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:59 am

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I've never heard of that being proper play and I've had the ascetic modifier a couple of times. Typically that's a scum role.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 679, krylea wrote:I can't fucking stand TF, but I don't think it's alignment indicative. I think he's just an asshole.
I get that a lot.

I don't think I'm an asshole, I just play with no filter. It's a product of my previous mafia environment. We're grown ups so I treat people like grown ups. No sugar coating. No hand holding
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Post Post #686 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 685, Naomi-Tan wrote:Enabler is such a fucky role I dislike it :x Like.. It says in the wiki your counter part doesn't even need to exist.
That's to prevent game breaking. Like putting in a nurse with no doctor.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:37 am

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In post 687, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 686, TwoFace wrote:
In post 685, Naomi-Tan wrote:Enabler is such a fucky role I dislike it :x Like.. It says in the wiki your counter part doesn't even need to exist.
That's to prevent game breaking. Like putting in a nurse with no doctor.
Yeah but imagen being like a Day 2 innocent child enabler claiming it D2 but then no innocent child appears. or doing a Tracker enabler and woops no tracker claim. you might as well be VT but You know this role might exist and if you die they break.
I actually consider that bastard. This site doesn't
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Post Post #690 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:42 am

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In post 689, Gamma Emerald wrote:LOL another player with no sense of bastardry huh
To me bastard is lying to or deceiving players.

Putting in a role that makes a player think they are useful but ultimately a vt does that. It's not the official definition but it is mine
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Post Post #692 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:42 am

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Like if there are no ascetics. You're role is useless
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Post Post #693 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:43 am

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In post 691, Gamma Emerald wrote:One person thought 2 town Ascetics was bastard
idiot
Yeah I don't get that.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:47 am

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In post 694, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh We should scumhunt today then once deadline rolls around we lynch me so the Ascetics lose their modifier
Well I'm good with Naomi or grey.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:29 pm

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In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.

He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
It was a slip tho.
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Post Post #730 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:43 pm

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In post 729, Alisae wrote:It's not a slip because it's safe to assume that scum do not have daytalk unless the following is true.
A. Scum has an Encryptor.
B. They do not have an Encryptor which the mod is required to announce it according to this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
thanks captain obvious. Those 2 options have already been discussed. I played a game with Naomi where encryptor was mentioned and discussed.

Town Naomi isn't going to make a statement of fact when an encryptor is still a possibility. Thus for Naomi, it's a slip.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:04 pm

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In post 731, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Who here thought there was actually a day chat? I never once thought there was and I don't see how anyone here could have as well given the information in the OP.
Before this game have you ever heard of an encryptor?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:33 pm

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In post 736, Rainbowdash wrote:1) The "scum don't have day talk" is not a slip. It is something that you should always operate on as being true unless something presents itself to directly say otherwise. If Naomi said scum DO have day talk, that would be worth jumping on. As it stands she said something that I would bet all my bits everypony else assumed is the case.
Like on one hand you have a point, on the other anyone who's played a game with an encryptor shouldn't automatically assume scum have daytalk. If Naomi said probably that would change everything.

If somebody said "scum probably have day talk" would that be a slip?

It's the certainty that makes me think slip
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Post Post #746 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:34 pm

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Don't have day talk*
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Post Post #754 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:01 pm

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In post 752, -Grey- wrote:
In post 751, krylea wrote:I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results.
I don't for a second buy an ascetic enabler + roleblocker/rolestopper in this game.
Unless I misread your post. You are saying any ascetics are scum.

Town enabler suggests at least one town ascetics (obviously could be a red herring and we have none at all).

To say a no result = scum is not town thinking.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:06 pm

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In post 756, -Grey- wrote:I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.
No pr is claiming day 1. Ascetic or not. Well no smart one anyway
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Post Post #761 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:08 pm

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In post 759, -Grey- wrote:
In post 757, TwoFace wrote:
In post 756, -Grey- wrote:I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.
No pr is claiming day 1. Ascetic or not. Well no smart one anyway
Negative utility always claims straight out the gate. You should be experienced enough to know that.
In post 678, TwoFace wrote:I've never heard of that being proper play and I've had the ascetic modifier a couple of times.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:18 pm

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Ascetic isn't listed as a negative utility role but enabler is. That's weird.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:21 pm

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Well somebody needs to update the wiki
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Post Post #778 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:23 pm

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In post 776, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 770, TwoFace wrote:Ascetic isn't listed as a negative utility role but enabler is. That's weird.
Where?
The wiki
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Post Post #844 (isolation #100) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:45 am

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In post 809, Human Sequencer wrote:WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IN EVERY NORMAL I PLAY IN
Scum usually fake claim day 1 when they get run up
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Post Post #864 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:39 am

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grey was basically sheeping when he voted, at least his early on votes. the better question is why is he sheeping if he has an issue with people sheeping
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Post Post #866 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:53 am

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congratulations

now can we lynch naomi?
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Post Post #869 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:09 am

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In post 867, Gamma Emerald wrote:No, Naomi is town.
why?
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Post Post #871 (isolation #104) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:25 am

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what about ircher?
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Post Post #884 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:26 am

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In post 882, Ircher wrote:No, they need to claim.
please stop. you have already spewed enough stupid this game. you clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #106) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:28 am

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but he's probably not town so it's a moot point
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Post Post #888 (isolation #107) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:29 am

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while it doesn't 100% out a pr, it most likely does cause Ascetic townie is just stupid. usually the modifer is attached to a power role of some sort.
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Post Post #894 (isolation #108) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:41 am

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well he's scum himself so he doesn't care about helping town.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #109) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 899, -Grey- wrote:
In post 897, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.
All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.

That's brilliant.

No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.
That's not what he was suggesting.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #110) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 909, Ircher wrote:Can we just quicklynch Asphodel?

Pedit: Reasons.
Asphodel is probably town.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #111) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:26 am

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In post 913, Ircher wrote:Why?

We need to agree on a lynch (besides certain people ofc), and do it without letting them claim. There has been enough claims today.
1. Haven't seen any good reasons why people think he's scum.
2. People I think are scum are voting him.

Scum fake claimed cop. That's not reason to walk on eggshells about claims.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #112) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:28 am

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In post 916, Ircher wrote:Still think its a red herring and therefore a scum role.

Pedit: No more claims. Scum fakeclaim all day long. In the small chance we lynch a PR, well, so be it.
Yes they do. And you are "town reading" one.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #113) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:30 am

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In post 920, Ircher wrote:Not necessarily. You are missing something, but thats ok cuz you're probs scum.

Pedit: Grey is not fakeclaiming. 95% sure of it.
Cool story bro.

VOTE: ircher
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Post Post #926 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:32 am

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You give horrible advice. Nobody should listen to anything you say ever.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:34 am

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You're scum or a Terrible player. My money is on scum.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:38 am

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In post 932, Ircher wrote:
In post 930, TwoFace wrote:You're scum or a Terrible player. My money is on scum.
How about neither and you get off your tunnel and reread my iso for a sec. Not skim it, but READ it.
Nah I'm good.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:39 am

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In post 931, Alisae wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna 2nd this. If Grey is lieing, he deserves a scummy.
His lie is certainly not scummy nomination worthy.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:41 am

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In post 936, Ircher wrote:
In post 934, TwoFace wrote:
In post 932, Ircher wrote:
In post 930, TwoFace wrote:You're scum or a Terrible player. My money is on scum.
How about neither and you get off your tunnel and reread my iso for a sec. Not skim it, but READ it.
Nah I'm good.
VOTE: TwoFace
You should read my sig. I tell people how to get me to stop tunneling. Telling me what to do and voting me aren't how. I'm not afraid of you.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #119) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:43 am

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Of course you are. Take out the guy who makes the most sense.
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Post Post #946 (isolation #120) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:46 am

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In post 943, Alisae wrote:
In post 941, Ircher wrote:We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.
Why are you speculating about set ups?
It's hard for scum to scumhunt do they have to appear town by doing other things
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Post Post #949 (isolation #121) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:48 am

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In post 945, -Grey- wrote:
In post 942, TwoFace wrote:Of course you are. Take out the guy who makes the most sense.
Ircher asked you to read his ISO and you deflected.

You're either tunneled or scum pushing an agenda.

If you're tunneled, break out of it and read the man's ISO.
I've read his iso since the beginning. Rereading it isn't going to magically change my opinion.

I'll tell you what I told him.

My sig contains instructions on how to get me to stop tunneling. Telling me what to do or voting me isn't how to do it. I'm not scared of you.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #122) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:16 am

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In post 955, Ircher wrote:@Alisae -- Maybe, maybe not, but I'm proving a point. Cop+6 VTs vs 2 Mafia Goons may have been a better example btw.

Pedit: Yes. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I'm thinking.
You're avoiding scum hunting is what you're doing.

Go look at the archives. 5 games I found have some sort of enabler. Town had 2-4 PRs. Scum had 1-2 PRs.

You don't know enough based on what claims have been made to even remotely come accurate to setup spec (especially with one most likely being fake). The only person in this game who probably could do a proper setups spec would be dashie. Certainly not you, You don't have the chops
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Post Post #964 (isolation #123) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 961, Ircher wrote:I do think I should update my reads as I haven 't done so yet, and its been 10+ or so pages since then. So, I'll do that first.

Pedit: Bad assumption on my part.
See this is another example of antitown behavior. Why go update and post a new list reads?

People should stop making list reads anyway.
They certainly shouldn't have to do another after 10 pages.

This is why I think you're scum. You're doing all these things that you think make you look town, except the one thing that actually makes you look town.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #124) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:30 am

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Ircher. Why does your grey read change 180 after he claims? If you're scum reading him before his claim, you should still be scum reading him after.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #125) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:31 am

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In post 967, Ircher wrote:
In post 965, krylea wrote:963 and 964 are very good posts. I agree with Alisae and 2F, this all looks like excuses to make posts that appear to have content without actually scumhunting. I don't know what your definition of IIoA is Grey, but that pretty much fits mine.
How is 964 a good post?

Readslist is a playstyle thing. Not a scumtell.
Never said it's a scumtell. But reads lists aren't scum hunting. You havent done much if any of that.

You're acting townie without actually being townie
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Post Post #974 (isolation #126) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:39 am

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In post 970, TwoFace wrote:Ircher. Why does your grey read change 180 after he claims? If you're scum reading him before his claim, you should still be scum reading him after.
Ircher votes grey like 3/4 times.

Then votes Naomi for the slip

Think he votes grey again

Then bam 180, grey is town now.

Votes gamma cause he thinks gamma is lying.

Hops on the aphro train with no explanation at all.

Sure I may be guilty of a little conf bias now, but i became suspicious of ircher way back based on his posts when I had no read on him at all.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #127) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:41 am

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In post 973, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 962, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.
@Ircher
After you do that. Lay out your case on the guy you put L-2
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Post Post #979 (isolation #128) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 843, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay read up again.
Why didn't you comment on anything after this? That's not like you.
In post 901, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 879, -Grey- wrote:
In post 868, Gamma Emerald wrote:The reason I am 180ing is because I have a plan for seeing if Grey is really a cop.
I'm sure my death will clear things up nicely.
Well... given your claim I think you being shot Is a given.. I mean unless another strong PR is exposed a Cop is a pretty good target.
Nothing until this post which is sort of obvious.

You see why I think you're scum? This isn't town Naomi.
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Post Post #980 (isolation #129) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 978, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 968, Ircher wrote:Besudes, TwoFace is guilty of confirmation!bias or being scum.
You're fence sitting...

P-Edit: mini ninja
Well he is voting me ATM but that was more cause I wouldn't reread his iso.
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Post Post #983 (isolation #130) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:16 pm

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He's making a new list read... :roll:
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Post Post #991 (isolation #131) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:13 pm

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In post 986, Ircher wrote:Freaking read my ISO. Stop misrepping.
I have. I'm not
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Post Post #992 (isolation #132) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:15 pm

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In post 987, Ircher wrote:No, you've been scum reading me practically the entire game.
Fixed.

If I was tunneling you the entire game I would have voted you a long time ago and left by vote there.

Learn to tell the difference between scum reading and tunneling
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Post Post #994 (isolation #133) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:17 pm

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In post 989, Ircher wrote:Unlike TwoFace over here, a GOOD readslist WITH reasons takes a lot of time to make.
Which is why they are a waste of time. There's other reasons why they are bad but that's above your pay grade.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #134) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:28 pm

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Ircher. What does != mean to you? I've never seen anyone use that particular combination before.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #135) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:31 pm

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Why not use =/=?

Well that changed my opinion on one post
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #136) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:16 pm

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Another question ircher. I just looked through a couple of games and I don't see you making list reads. Why this game is different?
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #137) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:42 am

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In post 1006, Alisae wrote:Krylea, am I the only person who is All Alone in that they think that All Alone is scum?
I think he could be
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #138) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:51 am

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In post 1025, Ircher wrote:Townies don't ignore their scumreads;
Not true at all. I do this all the time
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #139) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:54 am

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In post 1025, Ircher wrote:To be honest, 455 reads as confirmation bias.
I don't think you know what confirmation bias is. When you catch somebody making a mistake and they don't admit they made one, that changes it from a mistake to a lie. Refusing to admit the mistake and apologize is scum motivated, not town motivated.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #140) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:58 am

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In post 1025, Ircher wrote:670 reads as fake considering the answer is in the quote.
Not the answer I was looking for. He had no reason to claim. He wasn't close to being lynched at all. PRs shouldn't claim early.
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #141) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:59 am

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I'm heading out of town so I'll try and read up when I get to my hotel tonight.

mod, I'll be v/la for the weekend
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #142) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:18 am

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Ircher. Are you a havingfitz alt?
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #143) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:53 am

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In post 1250, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1229, -Grey- wrote:
Lynching the claimed cop d-1 is a scumclaim.

Doing so frees scum up to kill another threat and denies town a chance at results if there is a protective role.
I have no idea what's going on but I'll say having been told by others that my "do not lynch a claimed pr d1" policy was stupid. This quote isn't absolutely not true.

Townies will advocate for a pr lynch if they don't believe the claim. I've seen cops/docs lynched d1 before.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #144) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:57 am

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In post 1256, -Grey- wrote:There's a reason millers are lynched upon claiming
This isn't true either. Why are you lying to people
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #145) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:57 am

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Who claimed miller?
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #146) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:59 am

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Typo. Isn't absolutely true is what I meant. In fact it's an outright lie
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #147) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:03 am

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In post 1264, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Rainbow claimed miller.

Post 1187 shows how they are both fucking town or at least not lynchable D1
Oh ok. Well why would people be pushing to lynch her? That legitimatizes the cop claim imo.
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #148) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:07 am

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In post 1268, -Grey- wrote:
In post 1267, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1264, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Rainbow claimed miller.

Post 1187 shows how they are both fucking town or at least not lynchable D1
Oh ok. Well why would people be pushing to lynch her? That legitimatizes the cop claim imo.
The fake Miller is pushing for the cop's lynch on day one.

Read the fucking game.
I woke up to a shit ton of posts and declared v/la as I'm traveling for the holidays. Sorry I can't read the ducking game while I'm driving asshole
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #149) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:55 pm

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In post 1357, -Grey- wrote:Gin has made ~16 posts defending RainbowDash today alone.

16 posts in one day to defend a player that he can't possibly KNOW the alignment of unless they're both scum.

16 posts. In one day. To defend a player they supposedly don't know the alignment of as a fact.


Yeah fucking right.
People do this all the time. I've done it before. Dashie is known for it, as are others.

I don't even knothink what's going on but neither of you should've lynched. Cop/miller makes sense. Cop/miller/ascetic has happened before.

If you're legit, she's legit.

If you're fake, you're push on her makes sense.

Outside of that I've really got nothing to add until I can get to a computer and read.
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #150) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:36 am

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Will try and read up this week. Really was surprised dashie faked a miller claim. She's normally a much better player. Ircher flipping town also boggles my mind. I'll avoid playing with him from now on.
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #151) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:59 am

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I'm still not convinced you're town.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #152) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:02 am

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Ive seen so much shit that until a flip happens, nobody is confirmed
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #153) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:26 am

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Yeah I'd like an explanation also.
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Post Post #1544 (isolation #154) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:35 am

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In post 1543, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Who voted against the claimed cop?
Lots of people voted him. I'm still not 100% he's legit.

What else you got?
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #155) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:48 am

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I've been told my policy of not lynching a claimed pr day 1 is stupid. I've seen claimed PRs lynched. Cops, trackers, even doctors. I'm willing to bed i could even find a game where it's happened.

I already told grey his idea that townies don't vote claimed cop day 1 was fundamentally wrong. That's why I don't believe the claim actually. He's fear mongering.

I'd never do it but townies absolutely do. So suspecting him for voting grey isn't reason to lynch somebody
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #156) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:25 pm

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In post 1570, Naomi-Tan wrote:Take two face. Normally hes active like myself on my more active times but he has been more background in this game. and he tossed doubt on someone who I think is confirmed town right now. Which Im not sure matches there play style. but then again two face is stubbon and unpredictable and if I went in on that and I was wrong again he would just get me slain and could be like "woops" and no one would care..
I haven't been in the background. I woke up to like 10 pages the night before I had to drive out of town. I also think you're confirmed scum to me but people want to ignore that, especially after dashie tried to downplay your slip.

Grey isn't confirmed town to me, and shouldn't for anyone. I get town reading him until he's proven not to be the cop, but he was one of my biggest scum reads and without having a result to show for it, he's not in my clear pile.

Also if you think I could be scum, you shouldn't worry how I'm going to react. You know I'm going to get angry at anyone who lies about me.
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #157) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:26 pm

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Until I can reread. VOTE: naomi
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #158) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:58 pm

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In post 1575, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1571, TwoFace wrote: I also think you're confirmed scum to me but people want to ignore that, especially after dashie tried to downplay your slip.
Gonna check the validity of this but if true then that makes things real cute
Well she flat out said it wasn't one.
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Post Post #1614 (isolation #159) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:10 am

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In post 1605, All Alone wrote:
In post 1541, krylea wrote:Again, if I am scum, why did noone on my scumteam join the case against Gin
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I still think TwoFace is the most likely partner for RBD. For someone who seems as keen on considering all possibilities as TwoFace is, I find it really, really fishy that he didn't consider the possibility of Dash being scum here:
In post 1364, TwoFace wrote:I don't even knothink what's going on but neither of you should've lynched. Cop/miller makes sense. Cop/miller/ascetic has happened before.

If you're legit, she's legit.

If you're fake, you're push on her makes sense.
I'm sure TwoFace has seen a miller fakeclaim before, I doubt he just forgot to consider that possibility. Most likely he just knew in advance that lynching RBD wouldn't advance his wincon and wanted to keep that lynch out of play.

VOTE: TwoFace
I have seen a bunch of things before but I've never seen scum fake claim miller before actually. You want to lynch me for that, go ahead.
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Post Post #1618 (isolation #160) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:15 am

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In post 1613, Human Sequencer wrote:AA's hammer is towny as fuck unless he as scum figured out that Krylea is SK, which isn't unlikely but requires a whole lot of assumptions I don't want to make. AA is town until some of those assumptions become reality.
His hammer was lucky as fuck.
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #161) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:15 am

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VOTE: Naomi
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Post Post #1622 (isolation #162) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:23 am

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I didn't see Krylea as that scummy. There's no way anyone could have known he was sk or even maf. Just being wrong on somebody doesn't make them scum and from what I can remember that's basically why people suspected him.
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #163) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:38 am

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In post 1624, Human Sequencer wrote:So you're saying that Alisae, Grey, AA, Gin, Flubbernugget and I are all either mafia or incorrect town, even though we were demonstrably correct post-flip?
No im just saying that I didn't see where the scum read was coming from. Granted I still hadn't caught up on all the pages I missed but the posts I read didn't give off a scum vibe. Catching SK is harder cause that's easy to play like town.

So yeah y'all lynched the SK but that hammer was shit and really fucking lucky
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #164) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:41 am

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In post 1625, All Alone wrote:don't believe TwoFace was fooled
You realize it's impossible to sk hunt right? Especially when there was no indication we had one.

You just think I wasn't fooled cause you are mad I scum read you day 1 so you decided to omgus it back at me.

Lynch me idgaf but when i flip town, lynch Naomi please.
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #165) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:54 am

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Did she do all that? I missed like 10+ pages and when i finally got to my destination dashie was hammered. Day 2 happened so fast also.

I'm not back to work til Tuesday so I won't even be able to reread until at least Wednesday.
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Post Post #1634 (isolation #166) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:36 am

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In post 1632, Human Sequencer wrote:Krylea's already been hammered, Gin is town and I'm getting townie vibes from TwoFace in this conversation. This interaction serves no purpose.

VOTE: Asphodel

Just because the game's moved away from him doesn't mean he's no longer scummy.
Why Asphodel?

Why not Naomi?
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Post Post #1636 (isolation #167) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:10 am

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She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
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Post Post #1638 (isolation #168) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:14 am

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Wel until I have time to catch up that's all I got
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #169) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 1669, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1636, TwoFace wrote:She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
Specifics.
Well I'm not fully caught up but the posts I've seen just don't have the same sort of analysis I'm used to. She also made a post saying she was suspicious of me but was afraid to push it. I called her on it.

If she were town there should be no fear. I won't be surprised if magically that fear goes away given other people support it.
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Post Post #1675 (isolation #170) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:42 pm

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Currently at the md vs uconn game.
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #171) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:45 pm

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In post 1676, Alisae wrote:Page number please.
42
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #172) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:53 pm

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Probably best. Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to catch-up until next week. Just look into AA and Naomi when I flip town.
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #173) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:54 pm

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In post 1680, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Twoface
Dropped my biggest scumtell.
Impossible as I'm not scum but I don't have time right now to argue
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #174) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:57 pm

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But I honestly believe it's a slip. That's not a scumtell. Maybe a stupid tell but not a scumtell
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #175) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:12 pm

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In post 1688, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1678, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1676, Alisae wrote:Page number please.
42
Please replace
At this point nobody's going to replace a doomed slot. I've got like 4 votes in me. If I knew this was going to be a speed game I wouldn't have played but I'm not going to replace out.

We've got 2 weeks. If y'all don't want to use that time, that's not my issue that's yours.
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Post Post #1691 (isolation #176) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:16 pm

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I can't do that either. I have this thing where I have to respond to things. I wish I could stop
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #177) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:31 pm

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In post 1692, Alisae wrote:A poor child trying to stay relevant.
Use the night to catch-up next time.
I can't do huge reads without a computer. My computer is at work and I've been off for almost a week.

I can play along cause I check the thread constantly on my phone but went to bed the day before I left on vacation and like 10 pages popped up in like 6 hours.

Shitty timing. If the game had progressed like most and we used 7-10 days, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This game has been open for 9 days and we're on day 3 already.
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #178) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:37 pm

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In post 1695, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:The game has been quite easy at this point, two obv!scums D1 and D2, only now am I thinking I don't know where to go from here
Most likely one scum off and one on.

Look at who was off and evaluate if they make sense.

Look at who was on for weak reasons
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #179) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:37 am

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Thankfully I'm not scum. Boiling myself alive sounds painful.

Hopefully this game is over before mlk cause I'll be gone a week and wife has said no mafia.


I tried reading a few pages last night. Watching how the dashie wagon happened. If scum is on it I can't tell who yet.

AA did say something that's not true about 2 negative utilities but it's a moot point now.
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #180) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:29 am

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I disagree and until I'm caught up it's a good vote.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #181) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:06 am

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That's a dumb reason to mislynch gamma.

Yes I know kry flipped sk
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #182) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:18 am

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y'all can call me stupid idgaf but Naomi is aware of an enabler role. Anyone who is familiar with that should know that's a possibility. It could just be different mindset of whatever but I just don't Buy she didn't consider enabler a possibility
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #183) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:55 am

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In post 1723, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What was the case with the enabler role?

I personally don't know how far I'll dabble into that area because this is my first game with ascetics and enablers
if it were a player who's never heard of or encounterd an enabler role before, I could get somebody saying definitely that scum don't have day talk.

Enabler allows scum to have daytalk

Somebody who is familiar with that role imo should never assume that scum don't have daytalk. If she said probably or something that would be different. She said it like it was fact.

I think she's scum for it. I think she's scum for other things also which I sort of explained so it's not just the slip
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #184) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 1728, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1636, TwoFace wrote:She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
As in, Rainbowdash tried to play off the slip?
She straight up said it wasn't a slip.
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #185) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:58 am

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Ok typos my bad. Replace enabler with encryptor
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #186) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:02 am

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In post 1722, TwoFace wrote:y'all can call me stupid idgaf but Naomi is aware of an enabler role. Anyone who is familiar with that should know that's a possibility. It could just be different mindset of whatever but I just don't Buy she didn't consider encryptor a possibility
Fixed my original post.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #187) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:02 am

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Well sort of lol
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #188) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:03 am

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In post 1742, Alisae wrote:
In post 1710, Human Sequencer wrote:Why do you want to run down Naomi?
Both days she didn't really have any votes (except by the end of day 2 where she voted Gamma) because I got on her case about it. Also buddying the weakest player has it's risk reward. If she could pull it off (which she did at the time), then she gets towncred from me. If she couldn't she gets lynched. At the time I saw no reason why scum would go out of their way to buddy me when I could have turned into a lynch so that's mostly why I gave her towncredit, but I think Naomi buddied me so that I'd give her towncredit. Also her not voting implies that she's fencesitting.
Idk if this statement is true but if it is, that's not the Naomi I'm used to.

I'll read more pages on my phone tomorrow
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #189) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:11 am

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I just don't remember her being shy with her votes.
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #190) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:57 am

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In post 1751, All Alone wrote:TwoFace is is still coasting on this point two phases later,
Coasting? Fuck you for manipulating my v/la around Christmas.

VOTE: AA

Idgaf. I was legit away. Even if I were scum this game, I had a legitimate reason and posted in thread. Trying to use that against me isn't a townie play at all.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #191) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:18 pm

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In post 1753, All Alone wrote:I didn't notice you were vla, and tbh, I really don't care
Bullshit
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #192) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:20 pm

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In post 1753, All Alone wrote:really don't care
Btw this part makes you a shitty human. Never play with me again please. You insufferable grinch
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #193) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:34 pm

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If you actually read you'd know.
If you bothered to ask, you'd know.

Just cause I'm not away from the thread doesn't mean I'm able to read the pages I missed.

I've already explained all this. A townie should be informed before accusing people of stuff especially when the stuff you're accusing me of isn't true. You're clearly just making shit up which means you're scum or a shitty player.
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #194) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:42 pm

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Kick bricks asshole. I've already quoted it.
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #195) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:49 pm

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I've provided at least 2 other reasons.

Get to kicking
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #196) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:56 pm

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I'm also at page 46. 25 pages behind because of the holidays. I've explained all of that also
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #197) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:46 am

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What did I miss? Why Flubb?

What about AA?
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #198) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:22 am

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I just happened to get a break and checked in. No time to really read much something about a slip or scum claim but no idea what
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #199) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:51 am

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In post 1768, All Alone wrote:
In post 1571, TwoFace wrote:I also think you're confirmed scum to me but people want to ignore that, especially after dashie tried to downplay your slip.
In post 1636, TwoFace wrote:She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.
Oh no! I just got thrown out of the brick kicking contest. I got disqualified, for not kicking even a single brick
And makes reason number 3

And the fact I've said a couple of times that I need to catch up means you get to kicking again.
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