Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

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I didn't know this started

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This game is on crack

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I'm not voting

You're all on fucking crack

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The two wagons(?) seem to be on omega and Grey and I don't get either of them

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Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher

Define long.

Don't you have access to Google?

FUCKING GROAN

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Back to my first choice, I've been on Gamma long enough.

VOTE: Ircher

Define long.

Don't you have access to Google?

Why are you avoiding the question?

Because common sense questions annoy me.

Asking someone to define a word that is not being used in an abnormal manner is just busywork.

I do t understand why you think you've been on Gamma for long enough either

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Don't

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VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

Grey is second on my scum list for being excessively obtuse with asliahe before giving a very meh explanation of his actions. His idea that we should town read him for bringing attention to himself is also a load of crap

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VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

Grey is second on my scum list for being excessively obtuse with asliahe before giving a very meh explanation of his actions. His idea that we should town read him for bringing attention to himself is also a load of crap

Its called the slayer gambit.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with your nomenclature

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VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.

You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater

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Flubbernugget, can we go over your first few posts in the game? I feel like a guy with as much game experience as you would be less confused by the fact that early Day 1 reads are pretty weak. I'm also not a fan of your vote on me, seems like you're trying to manufacture reasons to sheep the wagon.

Are you going to back up literally anything you said in this post

It's not like I have a 3 page iso for you to dig through to cite anything

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VOTE: asohodel

I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.

I feel like these should be reversed.

You're conflating thought with the number of posts in thread

My scum read becomes greater

Feels like posturing with the phrasing.

This is worse "posturing" than me dismissing the whole thread as being on crack?

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Resetting my prod timer. I tried reading this and my eyes glossed over.

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324 looks like a good excuse to not find anything substantial in the thread but at the same time I can see where rainbowdash is coming from

Bleh

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Grey's push on alisae is starting to look more like scum hunting than it did before

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Alisea null$Haven't looked into deeply

Why didn't you see much to look into here?

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@Grey - Why do you react with a vote to Ircher saying he is a bad player (which he has number to back up) while ignoring Aspho laying out a scum meta of themselves? Both are self-reflective and you jumped on the far less important one.

@.

Good question

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Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Dude I miss the evidence for this?

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Did

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373 lol

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Oh and UNVOTE: because I never go to sleep holding a vote.

That's rather foolish as it artificially deflates wagons.

Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.

Eh. I gotta agree with this somewhat.

Not a fan of the unvote because there was no danger of Alisae being flashlynched while he slept.

Gin's voting style is only worth discussing in this thread if it starts changing

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Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.

I actually see you poorly handling pressure

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Up to page 20

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I think Alisae's self-conciousness is more likely to come from self-doubting town rather than scum. This is backed up by her lack of confidence in her own read on Gin.

Did you consider that possibility, Grey?

That's actually a fair point.

If I remember the interactions correctly, you seem to have dismissed a decent proportion of your scum read on alisae here

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given that Reds have no day talk

How do you know this?

its not in the rules so Im assuming.

"given" is not an assumption, it's a statement of fact.

VOTE: Naomi

You slipped hard.

That's not a slip, town has done it before.

This is probably where my vote is going after my catch-up. A citation would be nice

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Gamma is hoping for the town credit when Naomi flips town, and is trying to set up another mislynch for D2.

VOTE: Gamma

You have too many ducks in a row here

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Subject: Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

scum have an encryptor

This is past experience with daytalk spec. My reaction was not to go "scumslip you know too much", it was to question the statement and see if it came from scum.

Dunnstral was in a neighborhood. Possible info leak there

Also, this was the entierety of his post. If that was buried in a wall of text I would be more inclined to believe it was a slip. This was pretty obvious setup spec.

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Okay lets get stop Alisae killing themselves.

Alisae - Okay I know your prob reading this and have gone quiet as you don't know what to make of things. but you should not join my wagon. If you join right now and I flip green they will go back to hounding you and if I flip red they will say that you are my red buddy and joined late as you couldn't see me talking my way out of things and want the green credit.

More buddying and coaching in-thread. Not a good sign after your earlier "slip".

Pet peeve of mine

I don't get this coaching scum tell

I've never once played as scum and seen someone try to guide me how to play in thread. And I have an extremely weak scum game. I can't recall any other time this tell has caught scum either

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Once krylea seems caught up enough you all will know what the fuck my deal has been this game.

Just tell us already.
Keeping it secret is just so stupid.

Do you think scum knows 100% what Gamma is doing? I know I don't.

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Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.

I actually see you poorly handling pressure

How does this affect your read on Alisae?

Probably scum

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Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.

Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Dude I miss the evidence for this?

I said I blatantly sheep voted her to get a reaction, it worked nonetheless but I'm scum for reaction testing on D1 lol

In the heat of the moment, it felt like a TvT but I haven't been at home to the point where I can actually take notes on it.

You unvoted went to sleep woke up to post but I don't see the vote back

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So when Naomi flips scum, grey is possible buddy. To remove a vote off confirmed scum makes no sense from town pov

Ftr I see Naomi's slip as damning but not confirming

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Made it to 26 27 is next

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VOTE: Naomi

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Rainbowdash

What do you think about Ircher saying that being pr confirmed ascetic with no claim is an auto lynch?

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Jfc

Catching up

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Eventually

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Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.

I'm happy returning to my previous vote.

VOTE: Naomi

I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results. This could just give scum easy mislynches. This + your "scumslip" thing earlier really make it seem like you are out for excuses to push lynches.

At this point I think I am convinced enough to drop the Asphodel thing for the moment - though I'd like to revisit it later.

VOTE: Grey

What was so bad about the scumslip thing

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So uhhh yeah I'm definitely of the belief that being ascetic without claiming is a scum claim

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Actually no I changed my mind

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WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IN EVERY NORMAL I PLAY IN

Scum usually fake claim day 1 when they get run up

Usually tracker, jk, or VT

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Fake claiming a pr d1 is suicide though that doesn't make it a particularly bad play

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Page 34.

As of right now I still wouldn't be opposed to a Grey lynch

Pedit WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THERE'S A MILLER CLAIM TOO

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The reason I am 180ing is because I have a plan for seeing if Grey is really a cop.

This doesn't require a plan at all

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I don't like this either. I don't see a town motive for voting someone, and then immediately following it up with a punch-pull like that. When townies vote, regardless of whether it's for lynching, pressure, information, or even just spite, they usually want that vote to have the maximum possible effect. The immediate punch-pull comes off like Asphodel isn't motivated by any of those things. Scums are mush more happy to avoid getting into a fight, and I think that's exactly why Asphodel worded his Flubber vote this way.

Interestingly I kinda town read what he did as poor as the play was. I would expect scum to be a little more careful with how they vote

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Yeah I know most of my posts are going to be more for my own personal record than any actual communication

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If an ascetic claims, then that means they're a power role. If you're scum and a town ascetic claims, you just directed the scums kill to our power roles.

So what again is the benefit of outing a power role?

Ascetic VT fucks with cop investigations and doesn't do much more

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I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.

All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.

That's brilliant.

No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.

Uhhh you should be getting no result on an ascetic not a guilty

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The fact that several people immediately agreed with Grey suggests that I am missing something very simple

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We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.

Why are you speculating about set ups?

It's hard for scum to scumhunt do they have to appear town by doing other things

He has been scumhunting and the whole last like 5 pages have been setup spec

What the hell is this

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This game is still on crack

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Notice how now that we have Ircher cornered he stopped replying?

Gross

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Ircher. Why does your grey read change 180 after he claims? If you're scum reading him before his claim, you should still be scum reading him after.

I'll address this later.

On one hand TwoFace is making a really bad push here

On the other hand it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to respond to this

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Why not use =/=?

Well that changed my opinion on one post

My personal favorite is <> because of how many times it made me want to shoot someone when I had to work with visual basic

On a side note, I'm guessing that =/= is a pain in the ass to parse because the most common languages have /= as an operator

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@Grey - Last chance to add anything else to your claim that you may have been missing.

Im still convinced grey is scum and he is caught for both game actions he hasn't realized yet and something else that im not going to say until he responds to this just incase he decided to leave out something critical in his claim because there is some stuff that doesn't add up.

Assuming he is town, Any other additional information Grey has about his role does not need to be in scums hands

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Oh LyLo/MyLo is different obviously.

People talk all the time about quickhammers/derphammers, but they really don't seem that common. The only times I've seen them in all the games I've read through on this site have been scum faking an accidental hammer. Like, unless you know there's a VI in the game, I would assume that noone is going to be THAT stupid.

Maybe its just because I'm relatively new though, I guess maybe they could happen more often than I realize.

Looks like you've never played with ika

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Despite the blemishes I like the Ircher wagon overall

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Yeah, this may have to take priority over the Ircher thing - loathe as I am to say it.

This seems to be in response to rainbow possibly scumslipping about half as hard as Naomi, which iirc you said was a crappy reason to lynch her

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Grey, why did you wait for gin to coax you before posting your krylea case and throwing down a vote?

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Ascetic(s) + Miller vs

x-shot

cop?

I DON'T FUCKING THINK SO

I could think of a few ways this would work

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^obvscumposting

Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Doing so denies town information if the claimer actually is a cop and actually does live through the night due to a protective role.

Only Scum has the need to see a cop claim lynched because not doing so forces you to shoot me and pray I'm not protected.

I was personally trying to avoid this conversation but it looks like the cat is out of the bag

This site strongly discourages follow the cop so your reasoning is pretty meh

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Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Exactly why he is scum. He claims what he thinks is a 100% free pass.

Like I said, absolute worst case he is scum and I get lynched here. Real cop should probably target HS just incase they were town unlucky enough to accidently buy Grey and extra day.

Why does there have to be a cop if Grey is fake claiming

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I'm not a fool for suspecting your claim, especially if you have to be so abrasive to try and confirm it

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Still catching up.

Rainbowdash, if you have any previous game or even a post anywhere outside of this thread where you say Miller should not claim at the beginning of the game, I want a link

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Hey did you guys know that gin was a chemist

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Pg 48

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I'm still not convinced you're town.

Grey is a Town read but not a confirmation.

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Still tempted to call Grey scum fakeclaiming off my day 1 gut

Yes peaches, I'm Scum that bussed my buddy hardcore on d1 for that sweet, sweet towncred that will last me all the way to d3, when I'll be paranoia-lynched for still being alive as a claimed cop.

Your skills are too sharp for me.

Literally right after the part you quoted she said she's accepting you as town for now. I don't get how you can keep going aggro on people and then bitch that they don't fully trust your claim, and the "just suck it up I call it as I see it" diatribe isn't actually going to forward your cause.

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So I'm not actually going to try and finish my catch up. I don't think I will make it to the actually game with the pace I've been making.

Kryela's monologe about actually putting effort forth followed by not putting effort forth is really bad. She then had time to point out Grey's misrep but none to actually scum hunt. There's a small part of me that thinks she is town that is lost in the speed of the game, but not enough for me to not like the wagon

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VOTE: Kryela

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There's plenty of scum in Kryela to not be petty

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I think that might be L-2.

I approve.

I should have been the 4th vote

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Actually, why didn't Krylea claim?
And who did she try to kill N1? Grey?

It might be worth awhile to go back to her ISO or something to see if she crumbed or something or if she somehow softed or some shit to scum. It could have been very likely that she SK told to one of the scum and that's why there was a push on her.

While we're at it.
VOTE: All Alone

Actually, ya know what. I really don't like you.

Challenge: All Alone

So yeah there's no reason to town read a sk hammer but what exactly is your problem here?

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AA's hammer is towny as fuck unless he as scum figured out that Krylea is SK, which isn't unlikely but requires a whole lot of assumptions I don't want to make. AA is town until some of those assumptions become reality.

Krylea was an easy wagon for scum to drop a mishammer on as any alignment

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AA's hammer is towny as fuck unless he as scum figured out that Krylea is SK, which isn't unlikely but requires a whole lot of assumptions I don't want to make. AA is town until some of those assumptions become reality.

His hammer was lucky as fuck.

What do you mean to imply by this?
1. If he's town, he logically deduced that Krylea was probably an anti-town role (scum) and lynched her.
2. If he's scum, he either
A. logically deduced that Krylea was sk and lynched her.
B. lolhammered what he thought was town for the mislynch and luckily happened upon serial killer

Do you mean to imply that 2B is the only possible outcome? I think that's incredibly unlikely.

I think it was the most likely of the options

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She scum slipped.
Mafia tried to deny it happened.

Aside from that her play is different than what I've see from town.

As in, Rainbowdash tried to play off the slip?

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A poor child trying to stay relevant.
Use the night to catch-up next time.

Get.
A.
Fucking.
Life.

Or at least make a good push at least ONCE pls

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1.Gamma Emerald
2.Naomi-Tan
3.Asphodel
4.Flubbernugget
5.TwoFace
6.The RealGin-N-Tonic
7.All Alone
8.Human Sequencer
9.Alisae

Posting cuz the OP isn't updated and I need this

I honestly thought Gamma died during one of the days Ive seen so little from them

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Rainbowdash said Naomi's thing wasn't a slip and Naomi thought Rainbowdash was the smartest pony alive.

Now this might just be me, but buddying up so close an early without much interaction is only town!possible with a mason pair.

After the insanity that was rainbowdash's play I wouldn't leave a scum interaction like this off the table

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But I honestly believe it's a slip. That's not a scumtell. Maybe a stupid tell but not a scumtell

you're pushing dumbtells

Oh hi Gamma

Sorry I forgot you

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VOTE: Naomi

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Nah I'm looking back and I misread it

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Actually, why didn't Krylea claim?
And who did she try to kill N1? Grey?

It might be worth awhile to go back to her ISO or something to see if she crumbed or something or if she somehow softed or some shit to scum. It could have been very likely that she SK told to one of the scum and that's why there was a push on her.

While we're at it.
VOTE: All Alone

Actually, ya know what. I really don't like you.

Challenge: All Alone

So yeah there's no reason to town read a sk hammer but what exactly is your problem here?

And I just noticed that no one bought my attmept to fake gladiate. Aww rip ;~;
Yeah, I still think that their vote on me is still scummy as fuck.
Like legit I don't see why town would compare my play to my first ever game of mafia ever.

Like legit I don't see why town would be so pretty

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Like I don't even feel bad for missing the post you quoted because of how meaningless it is

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So if we lynch through Naomi alisae and AA that should be game

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Note how he doesn't say which side wins.

What knowledge does this imply I have?

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Naomi go to sleep. You're being helpful, and I don't think you're as scum, maybe null.
With that said, place a vote before you go to sleep. Flubber is playing basicly like oppertunistic scum and he just go caught so let's punish him for that.

answer my question or get fucked

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Note how he doesn't say which side wins.

What knowledge does this imply I have?

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So in other words, you have no clue why my slip was even a slip so you vote for me instead of the person KNOWS ABOUT THE DAYCHAT STATUS OF THIS GAME

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Why are you asking me? Gamma is the one that said it.
And he's refering to TF.
I'm voting you because you've been playing like oppertunistic scum, you discredited me, and you scumclaimed.
Scum claims aren't slips

So if what I said wasn't a scum slip, why is it a scum claim?

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So in other words, you have no clue why my slip was even a slip so you vote for me instead of the person KNOWS ABOUT THE DAYCHAT STATUS OF THIS GAME

She knows the day chat status of the game?

We haven't had an encryptor flip or host telling us otherwise?

Did you ever bring this up when Naomi's slip was first brought up?

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Note how he doesn't say which side wins.

What knowledge does this imply I have?

It implies you know they are town, which will seal the win for you.

As opposed to knowing there are two scum in there, which will seal the win for me?

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Who here thought there was actually a day chat? I never once thought there was and I don't see how anyone here could have as well given the information in the OP.

This is the best I can find, but it was only a Quick ISO skim

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As opposed to knowing there are two scum in there, which will seal the win for me?

How do you know there are

two

scum in there? SK flip can indicate 10:2:1

I dont

It was a guess

Also the fact that you pushed this without saying something about two face saying the same thing strengthens my scum read on you

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I HAD A FUCKING LIFE DURING THE FUCKING NEW YEAR THAT'S NOT GIVING UP YOU FUCKING MORON

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Thread hasn't been locked. Why can't I twilight post?

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Seemed to be implied by what gin said

Also you don't sound very down right now and scum has no reason to be posting

Get lynched

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I dont

It was a guess

Also the fact that you pushed this without saying something about two face saying the same thing strengthens my scum read on you

TwoFace said that D1, before the SK flip. 10:3 is a common assumption

before evidence shows up otherwise

. which is exactly what the SK flip was.

also his 10:3 post was a lot more casual. you said you were looking

specifically

for 9:1:3, but if all you've got to assume that is "a guess" then it makes no sense from a protown standpoint to not be looking also for 10:1:2

so no, that isn't the same thing at all

1859

You're fucking scum and you're fucking bad at trying to hide it