Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey Alisae!

VOTE: Hawk

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's bold

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh man, it's Kain! Easily the funniest poster on the site

[Lil Uzi Vert]

<.<
Dude, I have nightmares from Whitney's Milk Tank kicking my buttocks. How about a scyther?

Attract and Roll Out were a bitch.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh man, it's Kain! Easily the funniest poster on the site

I thought that was Transcend

Nah he's top 10.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh man, it's Kain! Easily the funniest poster on the site

Why's he not on your list then?

I'm waiting on a game to finish to update it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Okay so we have 2 of Johto's main gym leader pokemon as avatars, WHO IS GONNA BE A PIDGEOT, GENGAR, DRAGONAIR or STELIX? and whatever else there was. Gotta complete this before shit gets real.

Pidgeotto
Scyther
Miltank
Gengar
Primeape
Steelix
Piloswine
Dragonair
NERD IT UP!
~GE

Calling Gengar!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh Dagger is a hydra. Of Gamma Emerald and Secret Agent Jin?

Everything makes sense now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Attract and Roll Out were a bitch.

When you rollout your RVS votes you attract me.

Uzi you never responded to this.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Stop being silly babe

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And with what looks like the first serious vote casted, RVS is now officially over.

UNVOTE:

Early reads are still a little rough since alot of these feels like nonsense to me. But serious vote.

VOTE: Alisae

Why is Alisae your top SR?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And with what looks like the first serious vote casted, RVS is now officially over.

UNVOTE:

Early reads are still a little rough since alot of these feels like nonsense to me. But serious vote.

VOTE: Alisae

Why is Alisae your top SR?

Wanting to elicit a reaction. Plus post #73. Never played with him and not sure if all the small talk isn't diverting. Feeling people out.

So like probadly more a soft read than anything else.

Understandable. RVS is usually like that until things get serious. It can be more of pain to shift through during a reread than distracting.

As for Alisae's play, I think she's being herself for the most part. The self-vote, the attempt to rolefish in 73, and the pretending to not what know Pokémon is only brought unnecessary attention to herself. Something scum don't want.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nothing is wrong with having reads this early as long as they aren't solid and you're willing to change them.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nothing is wrong with having reads this early as long as they aren't solid and you're willing to change them.

To me some of those reads feel forced tho. I can't put my hand on it, but they seem off to me.

I didn't get that vibe at all to be honest, especially after he explained how he came to them in 116. I can see why you feel that way though based on his read on Aelin.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Does Kain ever play seriously in a game or is he just no. 1 troll?

Nah this is legit how he plays. A bit worrying from what I heard though since he kind of uses this to his advantage to get out of sticky situations when he rolls scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Does Kain ever play seriously in a game or is he just no. 1 troll?

Nah this is legit how he plays. A bit worrying from what I heard though since he kind of uses this to his advantage to get out of sticky situations when he rolls scum.

How do you know this?
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HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS????????
~GE

I've heard things and did some research. Pretty self-explanatory.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod:

I unvoted for Hawk in 89

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

131 Vert why does my Aelin read bother you? Null/town or null/scum are like the softest of leans.

Mala:
124 2 things.
1. Specifically why don't you like my read list in 116? It's a soft read list. I clarify that later.
2. I'm glad someone else called out Alisae cause that felt horribly like a trap since it's a big pool of circular logic and opinions till people flip.

126
What about the dump didn't you like? Please elaborate more.

132
Don't like this logic. Just because I agree with someone's logic and point to it as a simple explanation for why I lean one way does not discount my read. Not going to pressure your reads? What reads? You posted once before that. Scum reading this. Still thinking you're Scummy.

VOTE: Mala [/Mala]

It mainly bothered me because out of all the reads you presented, she was one of two reads I disagreed with because of her entrance. While my gut didn't feel her awkwardness in 64 and 65 was scummy, it didn't read as town at all to me so I was wondering how you could be leaning null-town on her. I'm feeling a little better about your read though based on her comment on KT's play in 141. I feel if she was scum, she would have tried to start to a wagon on him there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

131 Vert why does my Aelin read bother you? Null/town or null/scum are like the softest of leans.

Mala:
124 2 things.
1. Specifically why don't you like my read list in 116? It's a soft read list. I clarify that later.
2. I'm glad someone else called out Alisae cause that felt horribly like a trap since it's a big pool of circular logic and opinions till people flip.

126
What about the dump didn't you like? Please elaborate more.

132
Don't like this logic. Just because I agree with someone's logic and point to it as a simple explanation for why I lean one way does not discount my read. Not going to pressure your reads? What reads? You posted once before that. Scum reading this. Still thinking you're Scummy.

VOTE: Mala [/Mala]

It mainly bothered me because out of all the reads you presented, she was one of two reads I disagreed with because of her entrance. While my gut didn't feel her awkwardness in 64 and 65 was scummy, it didn't read as town at all to me so I was wondering how you could be leaning null-town on her. I'm feeling a little better about your read though based on her comment on KT's play in 141. I feel if she was scum, she would have tried to start a wagon on him there.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

INNOCENT VILLAGOR IS LURKING;;

lynch all the people who are

washing water

,, then eventually we will get the scumz

What does the bolded mean?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I made a note of it KT. What are your thoughts on IV voting for Aubrey?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I thought he was referring to your 152.

I think his feelings about people he's not familiar with made sense if you consider his join date.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What's so confusing about Hawk?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What's so confusing about Hawk?

I dunnow what is.
I keep on thinking he's scum.
Then I think he's town.
Then I think he's scum.
I dunno ;~;

I was hoping you would've pointed to specific posts but I understand.

I'm currently feeling that way with one player in this game so far and it's so frustrating because I want to TR them based on reputation

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Bae, if you think I'm scum then don't go all passive on me.\
Tho don't go to agro, you'll hurt my feelings.
And I'll cry.
And I'll never.
ever.
want to see you again.

Don't worry babe, you're a fine member of this town

[Lil Uzi Vert]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370

That game Kain was scum. Just with the less capitals.

Could you link a town game of his? I just skimmed his ISO in the game you just linked and I oddly feel I can tell the difference between his scum and town game as hard as that may be to believe.

I don't know how much I'll be around today. Happy holidays! I expect activity to be down tomorrow and today. I'd like to see more votes being cast, and not just talk.

Mr. LUV... if you had to place a vote, where would it go? My gut isn't pleased by you so far.

Honestly the only way I'd be able to answer you is if I were to lie. I'm just not feeling strongly about anyone for scum yet.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Thanks KT!

So Kain as scum pushes things that are more NAI like activity and uses a lot of ATE. More than most people think he does. He also uses the "If I was scum, why would I _____?" excuse which is always a scum tell in my book.

As town, he actually pushes things that are scummy. In a town game he just linked, I recall him voting someone for attempting to rolefish and putting pressure on someone for ignoring him and not his answering questions. He also asks questions that seem to move the game forward.

Of course, this is off a 10 minute skim so should probably be taken with a grain of a salt.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wish there was a cop in this game, could clear KT instantly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This clarification brings nothing to the game but i cant keep watching kain say washing water, its treading water. Treading....Water....

Thought it was a cultural thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This clarification brings nothing to the game but i cant keep watching kain say washing water, its treading water. Treading....Water....

Thought it was a cultural thing.

Its not relevant to progressing the game so i rather not keep posting about it, i shouldn't have even mentioned it. Anyways, it reads like you dont townread KT but you said you wish there was a cop to clear KT. So, just so its clear, do you town read KT?

Yeah, but mostly off of gut as opposed to meta this time around.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I was bit confused there myself as well. I thought you were trying to say I'm faking something.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah it's fine, Gamma should just agree to always sign his posts so we can tell the difference.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kain explains what it means in 174.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

The last game i played with him he soft claimed the lead mafia role, self hammered when he was at L-1, and flipped some type of town PR like watcher or tracker. I wont play another game with him personally.

Transcend's a cool dog. Give him another chance.

What is the relevance of a discussion on a player who is not involved in this game???

None. Is there a problem?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I agree, his catchup and his vote feels he like only put it together because he was called out by Alisae. Filler is NAI and I don't see a problem with clarifying things to avoid confusion in the future.

VOTE: Spade

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hmm, Kain that's a good point, tho I could be thinking that you're vote on inno could be an early attempt at a bus.

But for now my vote goes here I guess
VOTE: Spade_Ace

you're only making associative tells.... do you have any INDIVIDUAL tells to contribute?

scumtells or towntells?
And I do, but if I contribute the scumtells, people will avoid doing them.
If I contribute the towntells, scum will just do the towntells.
So why would I tell you what they are?

Then you take note, question, and go from there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why aren't you voting for Spade then?

Hey iv

I'm scum why??

Twist this around
@malakittens. You're town why?

What are you trying to say here?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kain feels town for that vote honestly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think English isn't Aelin's first language and she's being misread a bit because of that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Looks like one of the best avatars on the site by far!

I've been town hunting and have just recently reached a point where I'm satisfied with D1. I want two people today and could do a third if BTM's replacement scums it up.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Maybe if it was your old one

[Lil Uzi Vert]

YOU TOLD ME IN PMS THAT THIS ONE WAS BETTER THEN MY LAST ONE!
YOU ARE A LIAR!

I did and it is better but that doesn't mean it can compete with Aubrey's

[Lil Uzi Vert]

YOU TOLD ME IN PMS THAT THIS ONE WAS BETTER THEN MY LAST ONE!
YOU ARE A LIAR!

I did and it is better but that doesn't mean it can compete with Aubrey's

IF MY OLD ONE CAN, AND YOU SAID THIS ONE IS BETTER THEN MY OLD ONE, THEN SHOULDN'T THIS ONE BE ABLE TO COMPETE TOO?

me no understand your logic cuz your logic make me sad ;~;

It's complicated!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Spade Ace

Obvious scum.

If Bang reads this thread backwards, I want him autolynched

@Kop, can you explain? Also why is spade an obv scum to you?

And with what looks like the first serious vote casted, RVS is now officially over.

UNVOTE:

Early reads are still a little rough since alot of these feels like nonsense to me. But serious vote.

VOTE: Alisae

Why is Alisae your top SR?

@LUV, why are you in a hurry to announce that RVS is over? That sounded a bit odd though NAI.

I wasn't in a hurry.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

For me, this literally makes Alissae the most opportunistic player in this game. Its almost as if she builds a case, tries a wagon, sees if people are gonna sheep her, and if unsuccesful tries another case. From throwing suspicion on Hawk (but not voting), then Mala (while hanging her stand on Hawk on fence), then IV (coz he "discredited" those asking dumb questions and by that time Mala's wagon started fizzling out), also throwing suspicion on Uzi whether he is hinting to KT, and as soon as Aubrey showed the faulty logic of why Uzi would need to help KT, now suddenly she suspects Spade? For lurking? And so much that she votes him? This is super scummy to me. And if by the time I finish reading pafe 12-18, if I dont find anyone scummier, I am gonna put my vote on Alissae.

So basicly you find me scummy for being paranoid...

It doesn't feel natural is more accurate I think.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Guys, be more careful more next time. Spade is at L-1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Great now he can claim!

Triggered.

Why do you sound so enthusiastic about this? The game didn't need him to be at L-1 right now, especially when you consider the current case on him and Bang still in catchup mode.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

From what I remember he usually doesn't respond that well to huge fucking wagons on him.

And the majority of this game it seemed like we were in a state of apathy. Unless I'm wrong about this.

This sounds scummy. Feels like your vote for him and your entire case was premeditated.

I can see the latter but that's mainly because Christmas just passed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

and who said I was happy?

You sounded like you were.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Knowing his meta = scummy. Good to know.

Nah it's not that. It's what you used the knowledge of his meta for. Knowing that he cracks under pressure doesn't sound like something town would mention unless they have a TR on Spade.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Then gimmie your vote. We can get a better read on him and if someone lolhammers then we know who we're lynchin the next day.

No we wouldn't know who. Town derp hammer all the time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I never said he cracks. I said he doesn't respond well to it.

Basically means the same thing

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Eh, that's neither here nor there for this game. Ill give him another chance.

Signed,
+Not Kain Tepes+

Aelin's choppy posting feels fake.
~GE

Both heads posted. Somewhat notable content too.
I don't post much when hydraing because switching accounts is annoying.
~GE

So why hydra then?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not sure why distancing is being used as a case right now. We need a scum flip before we start looking for distancing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Might want to reread your own ISO.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not scum reading him anymore after the bread crumb thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Eh, that's neither here nor there for this game. Ill give him another chance.

Signed,
+Not Kain Tepes+

what is meaning of this post,, why do you have to say you are NOT KAIN TEPES,, you are obviously not,, your name is LIL UZI VERT,,

That post belongs to CD. Check 270.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why don't you just show it now?

rolefishing scum detected,, you are next after HAWK

For fuck sake I didn't ask for you to reveal their role.
I don't care about that information.

This came off pretty genuine to me. I think scum would take the time to word their frustration better here.

Okay I'll explain it.

Scum like to push slips that aren't actually slips because they like having a justified vote.

Liking having a justified vote is more of a personality trait than a tell.

No such thing as town and scum tells by the way.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kain now you're just misrepresenting things AND you are calling me an idiot?
Yeah, this is not a town response.

tell me what the scum rationale is for calling you an idiot,,

not going to talk to you until more town come online though,, no point arguing with scum and having all my important evidence on you be buried in mountains of posts

I am online. Tell me what imp evidence you hav against Hawk

I'm not claiming until more town come online,, no point only claiming to SCUM

you are null on my list but ok

i said i'm only claiming until L1

but hawk voted me even though i am CONFIRMED TOWN,, and people who vote me are ALWAYS SCUM,, go see the game here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69768

ONLY SCUM VOTED FOR ME IN THAT GAME,, plus a dumb town who cost us the game

This was a terrible way to self-meta KT and that statement just won't hold up overtime. Town will vote you simply because they don't understand your play style and won't make the effort to read you.

Alisae, you truly are full of holes in your iso.
Looks like Spade wagon has vanished. Mysterious.

Why didn't you vote for Alisae here?

You seem confused about how the Spade wagon disappeared. Why didn't you try to find out why by asking around? Do you feel there should still be a wagon on him?

and with that i will reveal what i plan to do tonight.............

KEJCPIGFOAOKPFKYKNNUJQQVJCYMKPUVGCF is an addition,, to my previous textual statement

cipher translation: ICHANGEDMYMINDIWILLSHOOTHAWKINSTEAD

and that is what i will do tonight unless Alisae isnt lynched,, upon which i will kill Alisae

UNLESS the jailkeeper jails me tonight, then i cant shoot anyone

This is genius!

Was pretty obvious he was a power role seeing as he was so insistent about not claiming until L1, and being so sure he wouldn't get lynched.

Could be scum fake claiming, but I seriously doubt it. Seems to early for that.

How can you say the latter after witnessing the genius that is 663 and 674?

I think with so much hue and cry, its fine if even you claim. Coz if u claim Vig, Mala will hav to do some explaining. When spade exposes her crumb, Mala almost admitted to it.

Also, prove ur claim by showing us ur crumb.

Yes Alissae was super scummy throughout. But this rolecop thing is not a slip in my opinion. Its open info.

And ur so called evidence on hawk is just that he voted for u, eh?

Something about this post pinged me. Mainly the tone of the first part.

KCOCXKIKNCPVGCPFKYKNNUJQQVOCNCMKVVGPUVQPKIJV!!!!!!!!! lol,,

"IAMAVIGILANTEANDIWILLSHOOTMALAKITTENSTONIGHT"

More genius!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Dude, I don't care anymore. Lynch me. I'm basicly giving up.

Stop doing this. I've seen you pull something similar too many times now.

oh wait he claimed.
Ok
VOTE: Aelin

can we lynch this please,,

Sure. I stopped caring now.
VOTE: Alisae

ew.

I don't like this response. Why didn't you encourage Alisae not to give up here or try to work with him like KT did?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wish there was a cop in this game, could clear KT instantly.

so UZI once you are online answer this: i am now cleared,, do you have anything to say?

I think you're town Kain.

Don't let anyone direct your shots. Use you head but when in doubt, trust you gut.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Aelin

Seems like the correct play for today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I prefer Aelin but I'm willing to compromise on Alisae or Dagger.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've had a gut SR on your slot since you guys entered.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've had a gut SR about both of you since you guys entered.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've had a gut SR about both of you since you guys entered.

EBWOP.

@Uzi, "gut SR" is the easiest way out to point FoS on someone without any reason. So give us some solid reasons if you have any. If you dont have anything, at this point of the day (24 odd hrs left) why is a town!you keeping someone with a "gut SR" at the same level as your top 2 scumreads? I am assuming this bcoz you say you can compromise your vote on Alissae OR CD too!!!

Two slots I'm not that big a fan of about to brawl? Sweet. Getting serious, a no lynch is not a option in my eyes. I'd just about lynch anyone.

@Aubrey, plz clarify. You were talking about Aelin & Alissae or CD & Uzi?

I don't have anything solid. I didn't like their entrance into the game because their RVS vote felt like stretch even for that part of the game. Nothing has made me doubt my gut read so far and it was only reinforced by 538.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kain, don't do what Alisae wants you to do. Its bad enough already that you were forced to claim.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could one of you on the Alisae wagon and IV vote for Aelin?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could one of you on the Alisae wagon and IV vote for Aelin?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah KT will do work if he is for real and thinks Alisae is scum, which is why I don't understand the hesitation right now. I was hoping that his vig claim wouldn't be brought up again in hopes scum forgot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why did you claim?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why did you claim?

You'll find out next episode on Open 664 - Tit for Tat!

This better work

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This game was such an easy win for town. If I had been the vigilante, we would've won.

I knew Aubrey was scum from 203.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It doesn't even make sense why I was night killed. I lurk when I roll town PR