OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

sup nerds

VOTE: Superhans

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I counted L-3.

Hey in your avatar is that the mouth behind your nose or is it the line down there by your chin Mr. L-1?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oops on that quote

[ssbm_Kyouko]

especially if you are a druggo degenerate.

I am so much so that I read your post as "especially since you are a druggo degenerate" and was confused as to how you knew that since I don't think it's in my profile

I'm definitely a degen tho, but been sick all week so been sober all week

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've only played White Flag and Scumteam UnPick but I liked UnPick because it introduces a lot of probability into the game.
My favorite role is probably Bomb or BP because you can be aggressive during the day in scumhunting and it punishes scum for trying to NK you. Least favorite probably would be Innocent Child (sorry algebra )
I'd say I have no preference, but I do prefer PR hunting to scumhunting because it feels more rewarding to shoot a PR than it does to lynch a scum usually.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've only played White Flag and Scumteam UnPick but I liked UnPick because it introduces a lot of probability into the game.

My favorite role is probably Bomb or BP because you can be aggressive during the day in scumhunting and it punishes scum for trying to NK you. Least favorite probably would be Innocent Child (sorry algebra )
I'd say I have no preference, but I do prefer PR hunting to scumhunting because it feels more rewarding to shoot a PR than it does to lynch a scum usually

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Hey! We're match 2 / 3. If you're town, we should make a town block.

Maybe we should make a chopping block instead and put you on it
VOTE: realeo
Grr

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sup man

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Setting yourself to offline is for cowards

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was hanging out with my friends and about to go to bed, was just reading the thread a bit

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh I guess there was something to comment on. Disagree with you realeo about thinkbig only have 2 options and I don't like his questions because they could be potentially intended to rolefish in some way. Problem is this particular fish might be town, and I've seen him ask the same questions before in a game I was spectating. Either that or he copied his questions from that game. Not sure

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't want to lynch Realeo

I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs rope

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey

Don't let this fool crumb multiple roles

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Soon, hopefully.
I'll note my reaction to Desperado was intended to draw scumreads on myself via the fact desperados only pose a threat to scum.

What do you mean by this? Are we talking about Desparados as in a

"desperate or reckless person, especially a criminal."

. Why would a desperado pose a threat to scum? SOrry if im being a right thicko.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... %28Role%29

[ssbm_Kyouko]

AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons

VOTE: Desperado

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.

VOTE: Antihuman

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@ssbm

U ask him questions but vote him before he's had a chance to respond...

Also who do u think is AHs scum buddy?

Don't have an opinion on that. I usually look for team associations but haven't been seeing them this time. Traitor is a possibility in this setup, though. Not every scum will have 2-way associations if there is one.

@Desperado I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon.

I fail to see why'd you feel good about this. Isn't that clear opportunism?

@ssbm

U ask him questions but vote him before he's had a chance to respond...

Also who do u think is AHs scum buddy?

Well, she obviously thinks I'm scum with Gamma, which is rubbish. If I was scum, I'd be bussing the shit outta Gamma instead of painting a target on my back.

I think you misunderstand the phrase "steady my hand". I was considering voting you up until I saw Desperado's vote which stuck out to me as opportunistic. That's why I asked questions of both of you and voted him instead. I liked his answers so I decided his vote was not going to stop me from voting you, so then I went where I was originally going after seeing the push on TB. I don't think you're necessarily scum with Gamma, but I do think you attacked his wagon with intent. Could be you're scum with him, could be he's town and you saw his wagon stalling and decided to pick up the momentum and transfer it to another townie before a townie discovered the scum on Gamma's wagon and started pushing that player.

Can I safely assume that those who vote AntiHuman thinks ThinkBig is town?

No, that's like assuming AH is definitely scum and clearing TB based on that. If AH flips scum then yeah TB is probably town, but if TB flips town AH could still be town.

@To the people who are voting AntiHuman

If you scumread AH, how come you didn't scumread ThinkBig?

Don't understand this question. What is bringing this about?

Hmm

@ssbm what do you think of Dunn's defense of me?

It's incomplete, will see what she has to say "in the morning" as promised in 367. Don't see anything scummy jumping out at me in it yet though, except the assumption that the players voting you would push TB if you flipped town. I don't think that's true at all, I know it's not for me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didn't need AH's answers, as I said the reason I didn't vote him was because of Desperado's vote looking scummy. After talking with Desperado and clearing that vote up I felt okay about voting AH

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Don't have an opinion on that. I usually look for team associations but haven't been seeing them this time.

That's weird cause your first reaction was a team association of me and Gamma.

Don't recall that, quote it? Derailing wagons doesn't always point to team, especially in a setup where Traitor could be derailing a wagon on scum but scum wouldn't know traitor is their partner. That's not the kind of association I would call a team association in the standard sense of the phrase.

I don't think you're necessarily scum with Gamma, but I do think you attacked his wagon with intent. Could be you're scum with him, could be he's town and you saw his wagon stalling and decided to pick up the momentum and transfer it to another townie before a townie discovered the scum on Gamma's wagon and started pushing that player.

This is an extremely far-fetched theory but for argument's sake let's assume I'm scum and he's not. Who's the most likely person to be my partner on his wagon?

If you're not scum together with Gamma, I'd say either Kop or Realeo because I'm satisfied with Desperado and I don't have a SR on Superhans. That leaves Kop and Realeo, more likely Realeo for position on the wagon imo. That depends on you not being scum with Gamma though, or not being Traitor with scum!Gamma.

@ssbm what do you think of Dunn's defense of me?

It's incomplete, will see what she has to say "in the morning" as promised in 367. Don't see anything scummy jumping out at me in it yet though, except the assumption that the players voting you would push TB if you flipped town. I don't think that's true at all, I know it's not for me

So your first reaction to my defense of Gamma was calling it "scum derailing his partner's wagon". Now Dunn has done the same exact thing and you don't think it's suspicious. Wouldn't it make sense for you to think Dunn's my partner chainsawing me?

I don't see Dunn doing the same thing that you were doing, but Dunn hasn't finished yet. Don't think Dunn attacked anyone so there's not really any way her actions could be construed as a chainsaw, unless you think analyzing a wagon on your TR is a chainsaw.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think he's saying that voting AH equates to town reading TB because AH made a case on TB. I'm not voting AH because I think TB is town. I would not go so far as to say that. I'm voting AH because I think his case for scum!TB is a scummy way to derail the Gamma wagon, and I wasn't even on that Gamma wagon from the beginning

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Mod - VLA through Jan. 2

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oops, copied quote tag

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Alisae, algebra is literally confirmed town, he's innocent child

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Uhh, I don't think you understand the meaning of opportunistic. It's not just a buzzword, just saying. No lynching is bad, you'll never kill scum that way and will just get NKed instead

[ssbm_Kyouko]

AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Gamma voted Desperado, if Gamma is scum he wouldn't start the cw on his partner
Desperado swapped to Antihuman, might make sesnse

if

Gamma is scum, AH is town, and Desp is traitor.
AH wagon would also be cw to scum in this case.
Question is: Does Gamma have any plausible scumbuddies besides AH? Desperado is out unless he's traitor, so we'd need 1 more (or 2 if he's not the traitor).
Let's assume scum aren't going to hard bus their teammate in the middle of D1, so we look for a partner that wasn't on the Gamma wagon at it's apex

DAY 1 VC 005

Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) -

(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)

Realeo ( 3 ) -

(ssbm_Kyouko, algebra, Secret Agent Jin)

Desperado ( 2 ) -

(ReubenWasFine, Gamma Emerald)

Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -

(davesaz)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -

(Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for ReubenWasFine.

Kyouko - conftown to myself
algebra - conftown
RWF/AH - We're assuming this slot is the town cw to scum for this exercise

SAJ/Alisae - was not on the Gamma wagon but when he comes in he discredits AH case and soon after Gamma joins him in picking apart AH case to start a new wagon on AH. Replaces out. Alisae Says he doesn't like TB but soon after catching up a bit more says he doesn't like AH's push and votes AH. AH could be the counter to Gamma if Alisae and Gamma are buds
davesaz - Comes in to catch up to a 5 person Gamma wagon with a very flat reaction. Possibly measured response to scumpartner's wagon. His next post looks at the gamma wagon for opportunistic votes, says he's still catching up but points to Realeo and Desperado as being similar to Gamma, as if to offer them as alternatives. Dave speculates Gamma is the cw to scum!Desperado. HOWEVER, Dave in 374 has a similar reaction to the popup of AH's wagon, indicating to me he is unaware of either wagon's alignment, unless the team is Gamma/dave/AH
Dunnstral - No reaction to the gamma wagon, is still focusing on her own SR of davesaz. Reads as towny to me.


I'm thinking AH is not very likely to flip scum unless he's teamed with davesaz

and

Gamma. Desperado I think is unlikely to be traitor based on the way he got onto the Gamma wagon.
This leaves me with a scumteam speculation of [Gamma, davesaz, Alisae/AH]. Kop could be blind spot scum still. I think Gamma's flip will be most telling because it was both the cw Realeo/Desperado and had it's own cw in the AH wagon.

VOTE: Gamma

Kop do you have scumreads? Noticed a lot of you asking other people about their reads in your ISO and a lot of commenting on questions directed at other players but not much in the way of substance

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh the very top line of my post is something that sparked that speculation, I just copied it into my preview to get myself started and forgot to delete it^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I would prefer to lynch someone I think is more likely to flip scum after considering the events of the day

[ssbm_Kyouko]

L-1 again with superhans vote I'm pretty sure

Kop is seriously scumming it up right now, any interest in flashwagoning this fence sitter?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kop

I'm off work an hour and a half before deadline btw if it has to be AH, his wagon is certainly going up and down a lot here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Antihuman

[ssbm_Kyouko]

didn't even read just skimmed saw votes and i know deadline is like minutes away iirc

[ssbm_Kyouko]

AntiHuman is L+1

just according to keikaku

[ssbm_Kyouko]

but yeah im onto something i think so if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think Gamma/Dave/Alisae

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Looks like town wonnered

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In classic fashion I managed to catch the PRs as town