League of Legends: The New Thread

[Ankamius]

The only Taliyah I've seen so far did major work. I was jungling Kindred that game and it was really difficult for me to even get close to her without being chunked down after like... 8 minutes.

[Ankamius]

You mean I have to be

AWARE OF ENEMY CHAMPIONS

to successfully do my job in League of Legends?!?

brb gonna go make Plat

Spoiler:

Thanks for that. You really added a lot to the discussion.

[Ankamius]

Yeah Lucian's straight up broken atm.

[Ankamius]

Jungle and top as most skilled. Mid as gold. Bot lane as weakest 2.

[Ankamius]

Good, they only need to hit towers anyway.

[Ankamius]

Top laner is put as one of the stronger players and put on a champ that can get an advantage early and 1v2 so he can be a constant pressure threat throughout the game. Mid is gold and picks a champion that can instantly clear waves later in the laning phase and just nukes waves as soon as they get to the lane and just backs off to stay safe unless the jungler's known to be somewhere else. The bot lane stays super safe and tries not to have any conflict, but the other stronger player being the jungler will be able to create a large advantage since the gold level jungler has no particularly strong options to influence the game with anymore.

[Ankamius]

That would explain a lot as to why I'm crushing people so easily with Anivia right now.

[Ankamius]

Sol's very good.

[Ankamius]

It turns out that ezreal is way more fun to play when you don't go blue build

[Ankamius]

Just play Anivia and 1-shot everything

[Ankamius]

I'll be surprised if his next rework is any more workable than any of the other ideas he's had before. This is the third time he's being reworked, at least since I started playing the game.

[Ankamius]

there's other champions I'd rather be removed from the game

[Ankamius]

I don't remember if I left my smurf (Lambianki) in there, but that account can be deleted for room as well.

[Ankamius]

I feel like this game somehow got more difficult in the past week

[Ankamius]

That probably has something to do with it, idk.

[Ankamius]

idk, I stopped playing her entirely after she got completely fucked in bot lane.

[Ankamius]

kindred

[Ankamius]

Play Karma/Zyra and solo carry the lane. Utility based supports (janna/nami/soraka/etc.) aren't as strong until you reach around diamond-level so they're not worth picking most of the time unless you either really know what you're doing or are queueing with an adc you have synergy with.

[Ankamius]

Support dictates the early game in bot lane.
Support has a much easier time roaming to help snowball the rest of the map early on since they don't need to worry about picking up waves pushing towards them.

Those are two very important things when it comes to impact in the game; the support is a huge reason for bot lanes getting ahead snowballing the game.

[Ankamius]

Panzer, did you play in Season 1?

[Ankamius]

You can't even speak for everybody in this thread on a vast majority of issues, Panzer, so I'm not sure it's fair for you to purport that you represent everyone when you say "nobody would be sad" if support were removed. Kinda silly to say that.

Except that I'm very clearly in the majority here. Why do you think your queues are so long? Why do you think "fill=support"? Why does everyone complain that they can't make support their secondary because they get it a vast majority of the time? Why did Riot literally just implement a system where your preference choices are null and void based if you are in queue for a long time in an effort to shorten their queue numbers? Remember how long it took them to implement this pick your role system in the first place? Do you remember the excuse? "Queue times will get longer because nobody wants to play support" That was the ACTUAL RIOT RESPONSE to why we couldn't have the role system 5 years ago. I can firmly say, the vast majority of players, wouldn't miss the support role.

And can you even really disagree Maestro? Doesn't Klazam support in the vast majority of your games?

None of this makes any sense.

[Ankamius]

None of it makes any sense because support-style playstyles are always the least popular ones. Even then, the fact that most people don't want to play them has no bearing on whether they want them to be in the game or not.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

The joys of syncing with a support

[Ankamius]

jfc what happened to Riot's servers? The lag in my last ranked game was unbelievable.

[Ankamius]

Any supports around gold level want to duo queue at all over the next few days?

If so, I hope you like Caitlyn

[Ankamius]

This game took a lot longer than it should have. -_-

[Ankamius]

LeBlanc was the support

[Ankamius]

Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

[Ankamius]

Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

anivia fucks assassins in the bum bum

And what do you do if you miss your Q?

[Ankamius]

ayy finally back here

[Ankamius]

That doesn't say much for when they all-in you.

[Ankamius]

This thread is nothing but regret, tbf.

[Ankamius]

chance that these guys aren't boosting accounts?

18-1 bot lane AP kennen: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=swagvince
19-1 Jungle: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dr+MaGiCa
18-1 Sona Support: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=killermich

Looks to me like the jungler is a booster and the other two are being boosted.

[Ankamius]

If he flashed a specific ability, odds are very good he anticipated it at least a few seconds in advance.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler: Mastery 7

yay

[Ankamius]

Bragging rights

[Ankamius]

our moredekaiser adc went 27/0/5 in 23 minutes and didn't get an S+

He probably farmed badly.

[Ankamius]

Ryze's animations are funnier now

[Ankamius]

I'm not really sure what matchmaking was thinking for this game (?)

[Ankamius]

It was a Janna/Malphite duoq.

Generally when I see duo queues roughly that far apart, it's either close to the middle or leaning a bit towards the bottom end. I rarely ever see the ELOs of everyone else being this close to the higher rated person of the two.

EDIT: It's fair to say too that the Janna had a 47% winrate, so her MMR can't have been around high-gold.

[Ankamius]

Tristana is so addictive now that I'm used to playing her again.

[Ankamius]

http://www.twitch.tv/ankamius

Gonna play a few and see if I can get any closer to plat.

2-2 today

[Ankamius]

http://www.twitch.tv/ankamius

Gonna play a few and see if I can get any closer to plat.

2-2 today

Shit I missed it, I like watching other adcs play. Do you stream league often?

I probably can, but it won't be for a few days at minimum.

[Ankamius]

Someone on your team probably has pretty high normal MMR.

[Ankamius]

I've hit another point where I promote to a higher rank and can't win, then demote to a lower rank and can't lose.

._.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

I'm on a roll, guys.

[Ankamius]

This game suffered pretty heavily from power creep, so it makes sense.

[Ankamius]

This game suffered pretty heavily from power creep, so it makes sense.

I feel like Power creep is minor and the problem is mobility creep.

And also that rito don't know how to balance on a release of a rework and instead just release them OP, and nerf them till they aren't even useful.

If anyone here was around for Irelia's release, they probably remember how much of a shitstorm that caused. She was the only champion in the game that had that much utility at the time (gap closing, cooldown resets, easy CSing, stun, on-hit true damage, free tenacity, two sources of healing). Now that level of utility is basically the norm for new champions and reworks, if not towards the low end.

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Mister Corpsman KABUM: yi
Mister Corpsman KABUM: that damage
Mister Corpsman KABUM: actually what the fuck
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: he didnt gank
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: at all

OfficerBeerGut HypGm: he just farmed
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: and did nothing
Mister Corpsman KABUM: look at that fucking yi
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: i kow
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: i am
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: he farmed
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: and did nothing
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: he was usless
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: anivia pushed ot tower all game
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: refused to gank

ljjfree >P<: WE WERE BEHIND
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: so gank!
ljjfree >P<: BECAUSE UR SHIT ASS WAS GETTING fucked by anivia solo
Mister Corpsman KABUM: ok that didnt prevent anyone else from doing dmg
ljjfree >P<: shut ur dumbass up
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: cause shes anivia
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: she zones out of cs
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: so you do this
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: you walk into lane
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: and kill her
ljjfree >P<: and dont pick a champ that cant farm 1 v 1 u awful fuck
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: got counter picked dude
OfficerBeerGut HypGm: wtf

Seeing things like this from the enemy team after a game ends makes me really happy inside.

[Ankamius]

Soraka is balanced, guys.

EDIT: Ended up getting a kog pentakill in a later game too.

I think I really, really sync with this guy.

[Ankamius]

Inte: are you platinum?

[Ankamius]

Anyone want to norms?

[Ankamius]

add me, same IGN

[Ankamius]

"My opponents are bad, so my opinion about how this should work, ceteris paribus, is correct" isn't really a good argument.

I'm at around the halfway mark of players. I find that people tend to underestimate him at my ELO, so if you are low down he is strong to climb with.

This type of problem is still prevalent up through high-platinum at least.

[Ankamius]

People that are stuck in bronze for several hundred games either don't necessarily want to improve (casual players), don't know how to improve, or are toxic.

[Ankamius]

It reflects damage from basic attacks (even when the attack does no damage) and on-hit effects.

[Ankamius]

Speaking of which, building thornmail against a kog'maw is very annoying. Just a tip for you guys.

[Ankamius]

I think I need to stop duoing. Most of the random supports I get nowadays seem to know what they're doing.

[Ankamius]

A lot of the random supports I got in gold definitely did not.

[Ankamius]

Do they understand how to manipulate the lane?
Do they know how to punish the enemy bot lane's minor mistakes?
Do they understand when they're stronger than the other team in full trades/all-ins?
Do they know how to initiate for ganks?
Do they know how to predict and prepare to counter 4-man or 5-man ganks?
Do they know when to back? When to roam?
Do they know where the most important places to ward is throughout the game and how to determine this?
Do they know how to build? (This is STILL a common problem in my ELO)

EDIT: This is more the stuff I'm talking about. It's all well and good to say that they know what their role is and their overall goals, but my point is they don't know how to reliably achieve those goals.

[Ankamius]

Our local diamond ADC says all support mains are idiots. No exceptions.

Who?

[Ankamius]

Streaming some games in high-plat MMR, Kog'Maw/Anivia

http://www.twitch.tv/ankamius

I hope you like Crypt of the Necrodancer music.

[Ankamius]

Well, I think I've lost enough games today to sufficiently wreck my MMR.

yay

[Ankamius]

You can try watching Gbay99 to see what you're doing different mechanically. He's not super good (his MMR is still not

quite

diamond level yet, he still mostly fights high-plats), but it can be a good starting point if you're a lower rank than he is.

[Ankamius]

I think I need to stop duoing. Most of the random supports I get nowadays seem to know what they're doing.

I may or may not have been hasty in declaring this before.

[Ankamius]

You can get away with it if you're lower than about low gold, but people start abusing level 2 powerspikes and brute forcing trades more often beyond that. It's a good buy later on if your back is efficient enough to buy it (and you have slots) simply because it will eventually pay off with extra gold, but the combat stats are too important at the very beginning when you need to either try to force an advantage or mitigate the enemy's advantage enough to be able to farm.

[Ankamius]

I get it in like 70% of kog games after the first back. Rarely I'll get it later on.

[Ankamius]

"gg, kog rushed wits end"

[Ankamius]

"gg, kog rushed wits end"

shit's incredible

I know. The one that said that was my jungler after her failed gank snowballed our lane against us.

[Ankamius]

Reaver is still efficient on Jhin since it gives him a lot of what he wants. He loves flat AD and crit chance, and he's enough of a caster that the CDR is helpful on him.

EDIT: Reaver on Ashe is efficient because she scales with both crit chance and CDR, so she needs to be able to fit both of them into one build, of which ER is the only real option for.

[Ankamius]

You want boots early for the movement speed, but if you're going that build, then selling it for a Phantom Dancer or something after you're full build elsewhere is a legit option.

Focus on trying to identify every possible threat to you in a teamfight and tracking what is and isn't on cooldown if that's one of your problem areas. This is an extremely important skill for an ADC to have and is a big foundation for a lot of diamond+ level adc concepts.

[Ankamius]

ANI, you missed the question: AM I GOING TO BE BAD BECAUSE I PICK ZYRA BOT? I AM A BRONZIE, I NEED OP PIX.

Zyra, Karma, and Soraka are the best supports in bronze, the first two because you can 1v2 and not rely on your ADC early as much as other supports (especially oneslike Janna, Nami, Lulu, etc.) do. Soraka is just completely fundamentally broken while still being the easiest support to play.

[Ankamius]

Soraka has kind of a low win rate in bronze, surprisingly. 48.81% compared to Gold at 52.47% and Diamond's 50.94% (http://www.bestbans.com/tier/bronze)

It's probably because she is similar to the other utility "amplify-based" supports in that she takes her team's performance and improves it, which really doesn't do very much in bronze since the extra utility can only get you so far. The reason I still recommend her is because she doesn't have very many mechanics that are very difficult to mess up. She also encourages getting better at things that supports need to be on top of to be successful, since you can't really use her ult effectively without knowing what's going on elsewhere on the map and her primary "peel" ability is strong, but requires reading the current situation to use effectively.

Plus, like I said before, her heals are the most disgusting thing in the entire game.

[Ankamius]

Getting closer D:

[Ankamius]

I've played the old kog for so much longer than this newer bastardized version that I doubt it would take me very long to get reacquainted with him.

[Ankamius]

decided to play ranked with some friends and I got my first win in awhile + penta'd despite getting into the game like 3 minutes in and having a garbage support.


I'm no longer the sucky guy in my circle of friends.

Nothing to do with anything Nosferatu said in his post, I just want to point out how much of a roller coaster this Soraka's build is.

[Ankamius]

Don't worry, plat isn't much better.

[Ankamius]

Would anyone be interested in me making a video about ADC teamfighting mechanics? My last game has a perfect example on how my recently improved teamfighting allowed me to climb ratings like I have been the last couple months and I think the overall concept of what I've been doing can be applied to a lot of situations even if it's best used on Kog'Maw in particular.

[Ankamius]

welp

[Ankamius]

Congrats, Zor!

[Ankamius]

Yeah, Zyra is pretty disgusting. Her lane presence is borderline broken and she becomes a very strong AP carry from a support's budget, but it's balanced by the fact that she pops like a balloon and falls off hard if you lose your lane.

Ganks can ruin her day too, thanks to the "pop like a balloon" thing.

[Ankamius]

Zyra is one of those supports that builds mostly damage and turns into a second AP Carry. Her base utility is weaker than every other support (excluding other AP-carry style supports like Brand/Vel'koz/Xerath) and she just becomes significantly less threatening if the enemy team doesn't have to worry about the amount of damage she's dealing.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

So that's something, I guess.

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

They need to do a lot to Ivern before he's not the worst champion in the game by far.

[Ankamius]

The funny thing is, no he's not.

[Ankamius]

Another fair point is that his kit is very unlikely to ever be strong outside of very high elo or professional play.

[Ankamius]

He's abusable.

[Ankamius]

If I see someone lock shit like vel'koz jungle and I look them up to see that they've done it 12 games in a row with an overall 60% winrate, I'm going to assume they know what they're doing and play through it.
If I see someone lock shit like vel'koz jungle and I look them up to see that they've done really troll picks 12 games in a row with a 15% winrate, I'm going to assume they're trolling down to bronze 5 and run for the hills.

It feels like common sense to me and idk why people are so willing to bitch about things that aren't toptier all the time.

[Ankamius]

That's all well and good, but this is in champion select when I'm deciding whether to dodge or not.

[Ankamius]

I won't comment on that, because I think intentionally dodging games because you didn't like your team is unethical.

Not playing to win the game in a ranked environment is insulting and far more unethical than dodging a game where you have reason to believe that people aren't going to give their all.

Ranked is meant to be competitive. Dodging is a tool you can use to avoid games you are fairly certain are lost. Saying dodging games is unethical is like saying muting people is unethical.

[Ankamius]

Ranked is where people are meant to play when they want to play their hardest and see how far they can go up the ladder.

If I can tell that someone on my team clearly isn't trying or are trying to brute force playing a champion they're clearly garbage at, I'm going to seriously consider dodging. It's unethical to force four teammates to play a game of at least 20 minutes and likely lose a game's worth of MMR and LP because you are not taking the game as seriously as you are capable of taking it. I'll play if I can see evidence that you are playing something niche that seems to be working for you, but I'm not going to piss away my own time otherwise, and the only thing it costs the people in the same champion select to dodge one of those situations is just time. Unless you're very high up in the ladder, in which case you would know just about everybody there in the first place, the wait for this is going to be less than 20 minute's worth.

[Ankamius]

I also look up all the supports I get just so I can get a sense of how much I can trust them.

Also if they clearly don't play support... pretty much at all and pick shit like thresh or bard, I'm going to consider dodging.

[Ankamius]

Same shit as before, inte.

You say queue dodging is bad.
The people that cause situations where people queue dodge are worse.

I'm not going to play a game where I have very good reason to believe it's not going to be a good game out in champion select. Trolling, people blatantly not trying, toxicity, etc. All of those are worse than dodging the damn game.

[Ankamius]

Don't use skill capped. I've been keeping an eye on it and it's updated too rarely to be a consistent resource.

[Ankamius]

I can easily see this kog R change making him a meta midlaner. If he ends up being a ban priority or starts getting picked under me a lot, I'm just quitting the game again. I'm already completely fed up with how often my champions got gutted this season and I'm not dealing with that shit again.

[Ankamius]

The changes DO make adc kog'maw better, but it's still a pretty big buff to midlane kog'maw.

[Ankamius]

Elise, Morgana, and Sivir.

[Ankamius]

There's enough good bans right now that the fact that I have to consider wasting one on the off chance that my support wants to play that garbage is really annoying.

[Ankamius]

anyone got any positioning tips? I've gotten to the point where this is my biggest issue, especially when playing ADC.

Provide a replay where you felt like you played really well, but either barely won or still lost. Odds are good there's a lot you can learn there.

[Ankamius]

I've been trying different things on Kog and there's some promise here. I'm definitely thinking that switching out Fervor for Warlords and skipping blade of the ruined king entirely is a good idea.

[Ankamius]

It appears our "Most Improved Player" goes to Dwlee who went from Silver IV last year to Platinum I this year.

Honorable mention goes to Ankamius, who was Silver III last year and is now Platinum IV

To be fair, I literally only played 10 ranked games in season 5.

Dwlee ended P2 as well

[Ankamius]

I'm so glad that Riot broke every item set that had pink wards in it.

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

welp

[Ankamius]

I kinda wish anybody else outside of the kog-main club I'm in played him at all since I really want to theorycraft stuff about him now that everybody has forgotten he exists.

[Ankamius]

Yeah I'm pretty certain that is intentional. It would be heavily unintuitive for supports to randomly get kills without directly attacking anyone since they're by far the most likely to have that kind of interaction with since they're the ones that build the 'buff' utility items and have it built into their kits, yet are also the role that are designed to be effective without kill gold or CS. It would affect balance in a really awkward way if it worked otherwise.

[Ankamius]

I'm just going to play support for a while. ADC is too annoying for me right now.

[Ankamius]

I've played 10 support games now and can confirm that its a lot less frustrating to play than ADC is.

It also helps that every random ADC I've gotten so far was either polite or a mute.

[Ankamius]

Adc is frustrating because it takes remarkably little to get screwed over in a game and be useless. Plus there's the ever-annoying situation of losing lane and being unable to farm at all because of constant fights and/or having to compete with the rest of your team for farm.

Regarding random ADCs, I don't really care whether of the two I get. As long as I'm not being raged at, they can do whatever they want. I go into support games willing to sacrifice what I need to in order to win and getting slapped in the face despite that doesn't impress me.

[Ankamius]

At some point I did the exact opposite. ADC's get it to so easy. Get farmed, group up, don't die, if you live, shoot towers. Follow someone around the map. In stead of getting fed by your support/jungler, then trying to outplay whoever 1v2, dying, and blaming peel wasn't happening, or pushing some sidelane for that next item. Don't think, you've got teammates for that.

The two highest skill cap roles in the game is jungle and ADC.

[Ankamius]

Yeah well i don't think any ADC main is polite simply because of riot screwing them so hard and often these days.

The last random Adc I got said literally nothing all game except to praise me after I said my bad for taking the first kill in the lane. Granted, I was still pressuring Vayne enough to make her not take advantage of Ezreals power through, so.

They still exist at least.

[Ankamius]

Everyone gangs up on ADCs. The problem is surviving them while also still being able to do anything.

[Ankamius]

Support is one of the roles that is supposed to be directing the macro play, though.

[Ankamius]

At some point I did the exact opposite. ADC's get it to so easy. Get farmed, group up, don't die, if you live, shoot towers. Follow someone around the map. In stead of getting fed by your support/jungler, then trying to outplay whoever 1v2, dying, and blaming peel wasn't happening, or pushing some sidelane for that next item. Don't think, you've got teammates for that.

The two highest skill cap roles in the game is jungle and ADC.

I'd love to hear your arguments for this one. Like given you include jungle, I don't imagine you are talking mechanics, but choice. Now jungle I'd agree on with you, but after that mid and support seem to have bigger choice trees than ADC to me. Now you would have a lot of depth in your choice as ADC, given you played that role for ages, but I can't see it atm.

ADC is the only role that can't snowball by roaming to gank other lanes and get them ahead. They snowball by roaming to other lanes and pushing down all the turrets and taking every objective on the map. This is despite the fact that the majority of them are outscaled by just about everybody else in the early-mid game, so you have to be very smart about rotating or making sure that you have backup to provide a real threat if the enemy team doesn't send more than one person to stop you.

You also have to be able to find ways to farm even when you're very behind, because you're already very weak compared to everyone else in that state and most people would froth at the mouth to take advantage of that. It's the support's job to give you opportunities to farm if they're not there with you (and they probably shouldn't be if you lost lane that hard and got pushed in), but you need to be able to take advantage of that to the best of your ability since you're basically nothing without gold.

The most important part is having the mechanical skill to be able to have an impact in teamfights since one small mistake means you're instantly dead and in late game teamfights, that's enough to lose you the game. There's a ton more to teamfighting, but this is the primary thing that makes ADC so difficult to master. It takes a lot of balls to be able to stand next to a Malphite that has no CDs in order to assassinate the enemy ADC to win a fight when it's necessary, but you have to be able to make accurate decisions like that within a split second where you completely throw the game if you make the wrong one.

There's also the part where it's extremely difficult to heavily impact the game as ADC all the way to a win unless your skill level is just that far above the rest of the game.

[Ankamius]

Being able to keep up in farm and still be around for the majority of the fights going on in the midgame and beyond is a skill that's very difficult to get to as well, but it's one that gets easier over time as people start to understand how to play the map and maximize the amount of minions the team is killing as a whole. I have had plenty of games where I lose bot lane and mid/top both snowball, but I still struggle to ever get any farm solely because I can't ever get to any minions waves before the other laners do, or the only minions that are available are being escorted by 2-3 enemy champions, or the support is on the other side of the map and my side of the map is completely dark, or several other things. The worst games are those where the mid/top laner eventually fall off and I'm too far behind to pick up the slack because I haven't been able to farm.

It's basically a fact that ADC builds are the most expensive builds of every role for how much time it takes for them to start being effective. With the ghostblade build completely dead on most adcs, most everyone is going builds that only start spiking at 2-3 items, which are both expensive in their own right. Now try hitting those power spikes when the rest of the map is looking for opportunities to come down and ruin your entire day.

It's one of those things where it seems like it isn't that difficult since you have a whole second person who generally is there to protect you and give you opportunities to farm throughout the entire game, but you have to be able to handle pressure and gain whatever advantages you possibly can despite that pressure, since any competent team is going to be looking for opportunities to catch you since you're almost always the most vulnerable person on the team. No other role has that attached to them since most junglers and toplaners have the ability to build tanky and still be useful and most midlaners are still able to either stall out a game with waveclear or build more utility-type items to stay relevant despite being behind. ADCs can't get away with not building for damage and they can't build for utility beyond what their kit allows since their purpose is damage.

[Ankamius]

There's a massive difference between challenger ADCs and ADCs everywhere else.

1. Their mechanics are better. They CS better, teamfight better, and overall are far more likely to be able to find the sweet spot where they can impact games.
2. Challenger supports are very good at enabling ADCs and giving them the opportunities they need to get and stay ahead or come back when they fall behind.
3. The rest of the team is far more likely to want to give the ADC farm throughout the game since they all understand very well that the ADC is going to have the most impact in games by getting gold as fast as possible (as well as being a prime target for the enemy team).
4. The rest of the team is far more likely to trust you to deal the damage you need to do if supports, so they're going to try to peel for you.
5. The rest of the team is far more likely to be willing to escort ADCs to all the towers on the map when they're snowballing so everyone else gets snowballed as well.

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It wasn't meant to contradict you, zoraster. It was more explaining why there are so many ADCs in the highest tiers.

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Remind me to post Soraka pics when I get a chance.

That champion is just broken.

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Spoiler:

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That's... really not that long considering how long I've been playing.

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To be fair, I complained about the role being frustrating mainly because my champion has been a dumpster for a couple months now.

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ADCs do tend to say that they're frustrated a little more than other roles, but I think that's due to a combination of the role being kind of binary by design and the low-level players not really being good at executing it.

My main ADC is a champion that is easily camped, needs time to scale, and relies on peel from the team in a lot of games. That I can handle because I've been used to those conditions for years.

What I can't handle is the fact that the same champion is currently not better than most other late-game scaling ADCs despite having a far worse early/mid-game and current inability to snowball because of only having really awful build paths.

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ayy let's go

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Guys...

Kog'Maw...

might be OP

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The botrk + W buffs were disgusting on him. It literally made building BotRK first on him completely optimal since it's basically a better Triforce without any of the build problems building it creates.

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No idea. I haven't played her in forever.

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I can see why people would consider Fervor good on Kalista, actually.

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Get Warlords on kog

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I need to stop being lazy and start ranking up in soloq

help

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I'm kinda the opposite. I have 8 champions played this season so far and only have a negative W/L on two of them.

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I'm really pissed off that most of my friends that were in platinum got placed either high gold or low platinum and here I am placing in silver.

???

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Looks like another Rengar when he's too strong.

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I'm thinking maybe playing a lot more support is having an impact in how I ward.

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That's still on the low end, honestly. The advice I put in the thread some time ago that everyone should be trying to have a control ward somewhere on the map as much as possible is still very much relevant. Now that I focus a lot more on ward patterns/locations/timings, it really dawned on me how much of a luxury it is to have teammates that are actively trying to help control vision on the map. Supports are supposed to be the single biggest factor in vision control for a lot of the game, but it's nearly impossible to have any effect when you're fighting a team that has two people actively sweeping away your wards and your team isn't helping with vision wards or giving you opportunities to clear wards in turn.

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This game, we got snowballed against pretty early on and eventually got shut out.

Vision isn't the support's job, it's the support with help from everyone else's job.

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It's one of those situations where you have a lot of room to make decisions and have them drastically impact the game from very early on.
ADCs are in the spot where you need a very high level of skill to start having any impact at all... and even then it's less impact than other roles until later on in the game.

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Yesterday was a good day. I finally left gold 3 and hit mastery 7 on Nami.

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wheeeeee

(The missing pieces are 0-2 with Zyra)

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Support is the impact role in bot lane since generally the ADC isn't able to do anything with a garbage support unless they outskill the enemy bot lane significantly.

Even then, there's plenty you can do on support to carry, mainly because you really have more agency than anyone else to play around whoever on your team is strong and forcing them to carry you and the rest of your team. Support is generally one of the leader roles too since you have the most control over what information your team and the enemy team has throughout the game.

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Even then, there's plenty you can do on support to carry, mainly because you really have more agency than anyone else to play around whoever on your team is strong and forcing them to carry you and the rest of your team. Support is generally one of the leader roles too since you have the most control over what information your team and the enemy team has throughout the game.

I think you're describing the jungler tbh.

In the current meta, this is very much false.

A lot of the game is decided by bot lane right now, and the hilariously ironic part is that it's not because bot lane itself is strong, but because bot lane is so weak that it's easy to create advantages for the rest of the team just by abusing the enemy bot lane. Jungle just happens to be the best role to take advantage of that.

Support isn't as reliant on personally doing well as the ADC is. If the rest of your team is fairly strong and can tango with the enemy team pretty well, then you can still have a pretty big impact by giving them the tools they need to succeed even if your ADC is garbage enough to be a waste of time investing into.

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We weren't talking about the same thing, Zito.

I agree that Jungle has the most agency out of every role overall. It doesn't have more agency than support in the case I specifically mentioned, since jungle right now is more about abusing the lanes to get yourself ahead so that you can carry, not about finding who can carry you and allowing them to carry you.

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They don't even need to. The meta junglers get powerful fast enough that they can really start to snowball just off having ganks work at all. Lanes getting ahead aren't as impactful since jungle ganks are enough to cancel out the impact that it gives.

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A properly built/played AP Sona can one-shot squishies surprisingly early.

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I fed against a silver lane without them getting jungle assistance. Time to uninstall.

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I like to flash mastery when I do something really stupid or when the enemy team is spamming it.

Otherwise I don't really do it where the enemy team can see it.

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Flash that mastery 4

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Uninstalled. Bye again

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The sad part is that will probably happen.

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I'm glad they're trying to fix armor pen, but I don't think that's really going to work.

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Everyone

I am a very weak person

I am sorry

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But I also found an ADC that has an admirable attitude, is currently the same division as me, and has a playstyle I mesh with very well.

So I'm significantly more happy in this game than I used to.

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If you're one of the big hitters in a game and not winning from that, you're not applying enough pressure on the map.

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Why

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What do adcs even build nowadays

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Wtf did we go back to the season 2 builds?

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wow

I'm sure missing a lot

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haha I'm a bronzie

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Wow tmi

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I'm more surprised you thought it might not