Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[Alisae]

We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.

Why are you speculating about set ups?

Why do you care?

Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lol at the fact that you don't have a sig

[Gamma Emerald]

Ircher, didn't you JUST SAY my role is a red herring?

[-Grey-]

We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.

Why are you speculating about set ups?

Why do you care?

Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.

Why not?

There have been many games broken by setup spec.

[-Grey-]

Lol at the fact that you don't have a sig

Yes he does, check his profile.

[Ircher]

@Alisae -- Maybe, maybe not, but I'm proving a point. Cop+6 VTs vs 2 Mafia Goons may have been a better example btw.

Pedit: Yes. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I'm thinking.

[Ircher]

But yeah, minis always have a minimum of 2 town prs. It's just to scumsided otherwise; Hoopla/mhsmith0 did an analysis actually on mini normal setup balance awhile back.

[Alisae]

We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.

Why are you speculating about set ups?

Why do you care?

Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.

Why not?

There have been many games broken by setup spec.

It's IIoA

[Ircher]

If you are suggesting I haven't given analysis before.......

[-Grey-]

We have a claimed Cop and a claimed Ascetic Enabler.

How does Cop + Another PR + 8 VTs vs. Ascetic Enabler + 2 Goons sound not close to balance?

Matrix6's Cop+Doc + 5 VTs vs. Mafia RB + Mafia Goon is pretty closed to balanced. Being closed and a mini, town would have slightly more power than the matrix6 setup.

Why are you speculating about set ups?

Why do you care?

Because I don't believe speculating about setups is a town thing to do.

Why not?

There have been many games broken by setup spec.

It's IIoA

No it's not. You don't know what IIoA is.

Setup spec is filled with analysis.

[Alisae]

If you are suggesting I haven't given analysis before.......

Why are you implying that I'm suggesting that you haven't given analysis this game?

[Ircher]

I do think I should update my reads as I haven 't done so yet, and its been 10+ or so pages since then. So, I'll do that first.

Pedit: Bad assumption on my part.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.

[TwoFace]

@Alisae -- Maybe, maybe not, but I'm proving a point. Cop+6 VTs vs 2 Mafia Goons may have been a better example btw.

Pedit: Yes. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I'm thinking.

You're avoiding scum hunting is what you're doing.

Go look at the archives. 5 games I found have some sort of enabler. Town had 2-4 PRs. Scum had 1-2 PRs.

You don't know enough based on what claims have been made to even remotely come accurate to setup spec (especially with one most likely being fake). The only person in this game who probably could do a proper setups spec would be dashie. Certainly not you, You don't have the chops

[TwoFace]

I do think I should update my reads as I haven 't done so yet, and its been 10+ or so pages since then. So, I'll do that first.

Pedit: Bad assumption on my part.

See this is another example of antitown behavior. Why go update and post a new list reads?

People should stop making list reads anyway.
They certainly shouldn't have to do another after 10 pages.

This is why I think you're scum. You're doing all these things that you think make you look town, except the one thing that actually makes you look town.

[krylea]

963 and 964 are very good posts. I agree with Alisae and 2F, this all looks like excuses to make posts that appear to have content without actually scumhunting. I don't know what your definition of IIoA is Grey, but that pretty much fits mine.

[Alisae]

BTW All Alone, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum again?
Becuase if it's just based off of my first game, I would like you to link your first game so I can read that and see how you played.

[Ircher]

963 and 964 are very good posts. I agree with Alisae and 2F, this all looks like excuses to make posts that appear to have content without actually scumhunting. I don't know what your definition of IIoA is Grey, but that pretty much fits mine.

How is 964 a good post?

Readslist is a playstyle thing. Not a scumtell.

[Ircher]

Besudes, TwoFace is guilty of confirmation!bias or being scum.

[Ircher]

@Alisae -- Maybe, maybe not, but I'm proving a point. Cop+6 VTs vs 2 Mafia Goons may have been a better example btw.

Pedit: Yes. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I'm thinking.

You're avoiding scum hunting is what you're doing.

Go look at the archives. 5 games I found have some sort of enabler. Town had 2-4 PRs. Scum had 1-2 PRs.

You don't know enough based on what claims have been made to even remotely come accurate to setup spec (especially with one most likely being fake). The only person in this game who probably could do a proper setups spec would be dashie. Certainly not you, You don't have the chops

[TwoFace]

Ircher. Why does your grey read change 180 after he claims? If you're scum reading him before his claim, you should still be scum reading him after.

[krylea]

963 and 964 are very good posts. I agree with Alisae and 2F, this all looks like excuses to make posts that appear to have content without actually scumhunting. I don't know what your definition of IIoA is Grey, but that pretty much fits mine.

How is 964 a good post?

Readslist is a playstyle thing. Not a scumtell.

Just making a readslist isn't a scumtell. But focusing only on setup spec and readslists without actual analysis and scumhunting is scummy, because it lets you look like you are being active and engaged without actually having to scumhunt. That is exactly what scum wants to do.

[TwoFace]

963 and 964 are very good posts. I agree with Alisae and 2F, this all looks like excuses to make posts that appear to have content without actually scumhunting. I don't know what your definition of IIoA is Grey, but that pretty much fits mine.

How is 964 a good post?

Readslist is a playstyle thing. Not a scumtell.

Never said it's a scumtell. But reads lists aren't scum hunting. You havent done much if any of that.

You're acting townie without actually being townie

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, explain my play if I'm scum, regardless of red herrings.

@Ircher

[TwoFace]

Ircher. Why does your grey read change 180 after he claims? If you're scum reading him before his claim, you should still be scum reading him after.

Ircher votes grey like 3/4 times.

Then votes Naomi for the slip

Think he votes grey again

Then bam 180, grey is town now.

Votes gamma cause he thinks gamma is lying.

Hops on the aphro train with no explanation at all.

Sure I may be guilty of a little conf bias now, but i became suspicious of ircher way back based on his posts when I had no read on him at all.