Look at the last vote count.In post 497, Human Sequencer wrote:@mod
Now that the replacements have settled in, could we please have an official deadline?
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Weren't you already town reading Vedith?
Imo, I can produce content pretty well as scum. I'm probably more direct as town, but its hard to say for sure.
I can understand a busy irl situation. I don't want to clear you just for that though.
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I think that Tenshii was fishing for a lol fake hammer for reactions here? That’s the only logical explanation I chould come up with. Plus his reasoning is completely fallous. Like Vedith wasn’t dropping any town reads before 53.In post 53, Tenshii wrote:VOTE: Vedith
L-1. Serious vote. I think his early townreads are there for the sake of buddying and not for the sake of getting information during RVS.
I think that it is interesting how he was the founder of the Misa wagon, and at the surprising rate which Misa’s wagon grew. If Misa/TTTT were to flip chosen I wonder what that would make Tenshi (probably scum tbh). Also, I wonder about the plausibility of a TenshixHiraki scum team. For some reason the two really 'click' for me.In post 111, Tenshii wrote:In post 89, Creature wrote:If you vote Vedith, you might hammer a chosen townie.
I think Creature is town. The wagon on Creature is just completely disregarding how he arrived at the idea of Vedith being a Chosen Townie.In post 96, Creature wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Vedith turned out to be Chosen Townie given how he suddenly got to L-1.
VOTE: MisaIn post 106, MisaTange wrote:why mention Vedith in particular? nn (the counterwagon) could also be Chosen Townie, and this suggests knowledge of who are Chosen Townies, which mafia only knows.
Quickly glancing through his posts I see other instances of questionable logic, but none of the pops out as scum to me. I’m not going to hen peck at his other posts. He actually seems to want to be useful in a way that didn't look faked. Tenshii can have a nice cozy spot on the back burner.
Oh, but I would like to know Tenshii's thoughts on Dave's flip to nn30, as he seemed to think it implicated bussing on Dave's part. Is Dave scum again Tenshii?
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Actually nn, I think I'd like to hear all your town reads.In post 499, Grendel wrote:@nn30, You think that Mew/Hiraki are town?
Why exactly?
If you explained previously then quote it b/c I must have missed it.
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Missed this.In post 494, Hiraki wrote:
A) Why isn't this just a person making a mistake rather than town making a mistake?In post 311, Human Sequencer wrote:yes, shadow is misunderstanding Vedith's post and the ruleset and this makes him -town-
B) Can you explain your Creature townread a little more? Specific examples would be nice. The only reference I can see is your reference to 231 (in 240) and I don't see how you get that it's a town post. It's literally just his opinions - is he town for agreeing with your thoughts?
The mistake Shadow made is inherent to his wincon as scum. scumShadow would make sure they understand their wincon and some other information about how to go about it, and even if he missed that, whatever plan the two scum discussed pregame would confuse scumShadow into re-evaluating his understanding of the rules.
Unless it was a ploy to make me think this, which I highly doubt is the case.nah-
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I had an outdated and stupid scumread on the slot because I was still playing in my old style of 'Be really bad at mafia'. I didn't really pay much attention to the game, noticed the wagon had switched and changed my vote appropriately.In post 499, Grendel wrote:@Human, Why did you vote nn30 originally?
How did you go from scum reading my slot this whole game to... forgetting that it existed as soon I subbed in?
I scumread Vedith like nothing else, but when a replacement comes in it fucks with me. So I'm waiting for you to produce more content. I've realized that my scumreads are garbage and my townreads are alright, so I'm tackling the game from another perspective now.nah-
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Hiraki/Mewtaph
As I said before, Mewtaph came off as incredibly lynchable to me. And considering that outside of Shadowez's vote, him received little pressure worries me.
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Like here, Mewtaph consciously avoids nn30, and immediately hunts off of the Vedith wagon when not expressing a read on Vedith. If Mewtaph is scum hunting off a wagon that implies that he is had a strong town read on the one being wagoned, which he did not. Looking at post 113 where Mewtaph asks for reads on Vedith is evidence that Mewtaph 1) hadn’t developed read on Vedith (lazyyy) or 2)already knew he was town (scummm).
I also think that its odd that people called this out as a bad post, but nobody expressed any interest in voting Mewtaph. Meanwhile Tenshii, mewtaph, and nn30 all jumped on Misa for a similarly bad post, and vote.
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Yeah... I agree with Myself on this one.
Not liking this vote post.
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If Mewtaph is the chosen townie then he would have been dog piled much sooner for having such lack luster iso at this point in the game. I should probably mention that I’ve read a town game of Mewtaph’s like a month ago. He was much more insightful, and put forth more effort to get things done. His posting this game does not manifest the same interest in game solving that I had previously seen.
His last three posts were okay, and finally displayed some legible thought processes on his part. Though I don't really agree with his read on Creature. 290 in particular struck me as a town post. Putting down reads of who he’d never lynch means that if he flips scum he would have just cleared nn30, and Vedith of being chosen townies. That's not information I'd want to hand out as scum here.
So far I don’t have much to say about Hirki. But this:
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Was an incredibly arbitrary point to draw out. Hiraki is an intelligent enough player that he should be able to read between the lines. I definitely feel like such a surface level observation has scummy motives.
It doesn't help that while Hiraki has limited knowledge in my play style. He has seen enough to know that I sometimes favor lynching secondary/tertiary scum reads over my primary ones when I feel there are benefits to doing so.-
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I felt like you were town coming in, really not sure how I'm leaning now. hmp, I still by what I said earlier that if I'm not chosen then you are more likely town, but... I can't seem to shake the paranoia I'm having.In post 508, Human Sequencer wrote:
I had an outdated and stupid scumread on the slot because I was still playing in my old style of 'Be really bad at mafia'. I didn't really pay much attention to the game, noticed the wagon had switched and changed my vote appropriately.In post 499, Grendel wrote:@Human, Why did you vote nn30 originally?
How did you go from scum reading my slot this whole game to... forgetting that it existed as soon I subbed in?
I scumread Vedith like nothing else, but when a replacement comes in it fucks with me. So I'm waiting for you to produce more content. I've realized that my scumreads are garbage and my townreads are alright, so I'm tackling the game from another perspective now.
Of the wagons that have cropped up today which slots do you think are most likely to be chosen townies?-
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Creature o' Creature o'In post 470, Grendel wrote:
I noticed a couple unexplained reads lists/ PoE lists/ idk lists that I have some trouble understanding the inner workings of:
How did you come to the conclusion that there is one scum from two of these groups?In post 332, Creature wrote:{Human, shaddow}
{Vedith, Mewtaph}
{Tenshii, nn30}
{TTTT}
There's one scum from two of these groups.
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A lot of my town read for Creature's play comes from little things he has been saying throughout the game that strike me as something that is more likely to come from town then scum.
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This remark is honestly something that I'd expect the scum to avoid. The first person to mention set up spefic stuff is usually going to get burned for it. Scum usually wait until one person gets flack for it before they use it themselves since by then its retired its usefulness as a talking point for somebodies scum motivation.
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This tone comes across as very cocky and it resonates town to me.
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Creature's name dropping here goes against the archetypical pandering scum, but doesn't go so far that I'd think it was done for that reason. Unless he wanted to buddy one player that he also happen to be scum reading by throwing shade at half the roster, then telling nn30, "but you are okay I guess." Which is lol for impracticality.
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I know some might be inclined to disagree, but player's that form town blocks are more likely to be town in my experiences. It takes a lot of effort and coordination in some instances to pull off, and initially they come under scrutiny for being too "bossy". Unless a player is doing it to uphold meta, ei it is expected of them, scum usually don't bother.
There were others but they infringe on some secret tells I've been developing. I'd like to keep those to myself.
Looking through his posts I didn't see anything that popped how to me as scummy enough for an honorable mention. There is also the perk that he doesn't really make sense with any of my hypothetical scum teams. I think my only concern is if Creature id very good at faking his tone. Although I have read some of Creature's games before he was town in all of them, so I don't really know what a Scum!Creature is capable of.-
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I agree that this was a bad post. It was very… hop on the wagon-y. Using points that others had already established on their own. Utterly sheeping when she had not established any meaningful content herself at this point. The post threw me a shiny scum read for this slot for sure.
She goes on to do nothing meaningful before subbing out. Misa was easily the scummiest of player roster by post 249 (when she officially subbed out) for her lack of content.
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I definitely had similar feelings about nn30 while reading. So I can relate, and I get where they are coming from. Even more interesting is that TTTT goes on to scum read Dave (270). I don’t think I realized how much our reads lined up, even tho mine are obviously… ten plus pages later.
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This Vote count analysis intrigues me. I don’t really see scum!TTTT hard defending Vedith. Unless I’m not chosen, and TTTT wanted to move the lynch onto somebody who is chosen. If that were the case then nn30 would be chosen. Idk if I find it super likely that nn30 is chosen though. More likely then Dave, and Hiraki sure, but not likely enough that I’d want to vote TTTT. Outside of a “nn30 is chosen” scenario this is very much a town post.
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This switch is very… dumb. Since all that matters is that the one to be lynched has more votes than anybody else at EoD. TTTTT could have stayed on nn30 and got him lynched. This also works against the idea I expressed that if TTTT was scum nn30 is chosen. Since TTTT basically said “lol no thx” to their win con by switching off nn30. And I really don’t believe that TTTT couldn’t have strong armed that lynch if they wanted to.
Unless… Shaddowez is chosen??? Mmmn that's a little out there.
Right now I feel like several chance possibilities have to line up correctly for TTTT to be scum. This might be the most drastic change in my reads, but I’m beginning to think that TTTT is town. I think that my original scum read on Misa must have carried through deeply into my TTTT read. Probably longer then I should have allowed it.-
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I'm really not sure where you can comment on anything.In post 498, nn30 wrote:Human's ISO is full of commentable stuff.
It's very bland and full of short posting. It's the exact reason I wanted to revisit his ISO.
I am still waiting for an answer. What are the benefits in this situation?Grendel wrote:Was an incredibly arbitrary point to draw out. Hiraki is an intelligent enough player that he should be able to read between the lines. I definitely feel like such a surface level observation has scummy motives.
I'm not a huge fan of your answer when you say the following:
1) Hiraki is smart enough to know why I'm doing this
2) Hiraki might not know how I play the game and therefore that's why he doesn't know why I do this
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Yeah on a dave reread he's scummy as fuck. Far too much vote hopping, and his indignant viewpoint on his shit play reads like he has a scum ulterior motive. I'm not sure what it is, though, because he's so shite at this game I couldn't begin to pick apart what it is. The point is that it reads as disingenuous.
If this flips scum, Creature is a good candidate for chosen.
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Your reasons given for voting him are shoddy at best, I don't read him as a particularly experienced or logical player, do you have any evidence to say otherwise?Human wrote:Pretty sure NN is town at this point, anybody have any incriminating posts past this point they want me to give a closer look at?nah-
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