I read him as a player that is trying to be both - are you calling him a noob? I'm not going after Dave tbh, I 100% agree that he's being arrogant but I would rather lynch scum rather than arrogance.
Grendel wrote:Was an incredibly arbitrary point to draw out. Hiraki is an intelligent enough player that he should be able to read between the lines. I definitely feel like such a surface level observation has scummy motives.
I am still waiting for an answer. What are the benefits in this situation?
Town will always win as long as they avoid lynching the chosen ones correct? Then who is and isn't chosen is more important then who is scum.
Like in a 5 way lylo with 2 chosen ones, 1 regular town, and two mafia. A long as the chosen town aren't lynched town wins, the regular town being lynched results in town wining because mafia can't endgame the chosen ones together, and of course lynching mafia results in town's victory.
I'm not a huge fan of your answer when you say the following:
1) Hiraki is smart enough to know why I'm doing this
2) Hiraki might not know how I play the game and therefore that's why he doesn't know why I do this
Which is it?
Option 2 doesn't even exist. I've explicitly said that you've seen me favor lynching secondary/tertiary scum reads over my primary ones.
In post 515, Hiraki wrote:
Town will always win as long as they avoid lynching the chosen ones correct? Then who is and isn't chosen is more important then who is scum.
Like in a 5 way lylo with 2 chosen ones, 1 regular town, and two mafia. A long as the chosen town aren't lynched town wins, the regular town being lynched results in town wining because mafia can't endgame the chosen ones together, and of course lynching mafia results in town's victory.
Though this is true, I've been mostly ignoring the whole chosen townie thing. It's a secondary wincon town shouldn't even need, especially considering it forces scum to over-extend in obvious ways. A chosen flip is almost more helpful than a scum flip in terms of associations.
In post 517, TTTT wrote:@Grendel
why Dave over nn?
Dave is scum for playing bad to make town think he wouldn't do that intentionally
nn is scum for 1000 reasons
neither is likely chosen so we are safe lynching here either way
B/c I lik nn more
But really, the rapidity of nn30's wagon gave me some last second jeebies that he was chosen.
Especially when Dave hopped on putting it to L-1. I think that scum will be inclined to hop on a chosen one's wagon near the end, and blame the person who hammered going into the next day. Or maybe the person who started the wagon. Any case I thought the forth slot is where scum are more likely to jump on here.
Do you still prefer nn30 over Dave?
I mean, I won't cry if nn30 gets lynched, but at this point my scum read isn't as strong there as it was originally. Dave is much better.
Well nn's real life business compounded with a pretty inactive game in general could easily explain it.
I've never played with nn, fair, but just based on content I'm pretty sure he's town.