STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[grapes]

Fuzzy you down to lynch almost?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I knda think Almost is town.. I want to wait til see if I get a response from Vason before preceding

[grapes]

@Grapes I think mastin is leftover because it fits from every flavor prespective also town is earth humans

Nope. Earth is whatever-the-fuck the mod decided what Earth is.

As for fuzzy, I have explained why I believe his actions are scummy. Unless someone is hard framing him for like forver, All of his actions make sense only from scum prespective.

So why isn't scum no-killing to frame fuzzy believable for you?

You seem to be the only person who doesn't think mastina is confirmed-town.
You've mentioned that the gems wouldn't be good Night-kills because you believe their win-con and they'll be endgamed anyhow.
The rest of the players are in the lynch-pool.

Who's a good kill for scum at this point?
How did you learn Almost's flavor Day 2? And why did that make him a lock-townread for you?

Not shooting shadow, not shooting during the even were scum cannot use action,killing farside who as vig makes no sesne while as scum makes the best kill option. His sudden epiphany that gems might be mafia mason and that we should lynch in the gem party(somethin gonly useful to scum that NEED a lynch other than humans to win in a 4 way with 2 gems) I still dont get why people are seeing it.

Why isn't Fuzzy simply receiving some bad advice not just as conceivable?

@Shiro
I think you are wrong about Mastin..... I don't think we can trust flavor too much.

This.

I think you might be right about the Gems skating through the game especially Random.

I think I might've been wrong.

VOTE: Almost50

I'm very much FOR this, btw.

Would you mind self-voting?

Furthermore, I'm not an established analyst, and I sure am not a good case-constructor. In fact, making detailed cases with convincing logic and outspoken language has always been one of my weakest sides. I can scum-hunt, but I cannot easily get people to see what I see.

I'm not either. Apparently I'm just crazy.

PLEASE, do consider bubbling Mastina tonight. That's seems like the ONLY way left to lynch grapes tomorrow. He is very much in control now with her sheltering him, and it IS going to cost us the game. Don't say I didn't explicitly say this here and now as my last tip going out with my last breath.

Mastin you do realize that this is a scumclaim right?

Almost is one of those players that I feel like i missed a post that made them obv town or something.

My sentiments exactly.

The one thing is that I definitely feel that Shiro has a point about mastin. Far also had some questions about mastin's alignment btw (in our alliance PT) gtg now but gonna give some more thoughts today or tomorrow depending on how much time i have

For mastin to be scum you need to assume Yume trolled the game, you're a gem, yume was a gem you of all people should be able to trust her call there so this has me especially confused. I've also never seen scum fake-claim miller.

Just had a crazy thought; what if there's 3 leftovers. One for the gems, threats and one who can side with earth?

We are both fine assuming that no matter what, Almost50 is town--correct me if I am wrong there. So we are willing to gamble the game on him being town. But it IS exactly that: a gamble, not a given.

I'm gonna need a bigger case evidently.

-STRONG flavor reasons to believe only one scum left
-STRONG balance reasons to believe only one scum left
-STRONG mechanical reasons to believe only one scum left
-And decent play reasons to believe only one scum left.

Citation needed.

Sabotaging what would have been an auto-win.

The thing is.
And this is the big fucking thing.

It's really not. "Scum wouldn't be put into a neighborhood with confirmed-town day 3."

Also would just like to point out: this grapes post is absolutely the last thing grapes would do if grapes were scum. It is literally alienating the rest of the town and going down a path, a battle, a fight which CANNOT be won.

Watch me.
Your stale bad reads are not "the Town."

Because while grapes has my support to not lynch him, grapes will NEVER get my support to lynch either of Almost50 or Shiro. This is town crazy. It's crazy, yes. But it is town crazy all the same.

Not sure I NEED your support but it would be appreciated.
And did you actually read my post?

[grapes]

@Almost50

How on Earth do you suppose that I'm a scum-leftover-judas given that we've seen what the leftover wincon is and how one functioned already? Why were you skeptical of magna's flavor spec? Why do you think shiro is scum?

[Shiro]

How did you learn Almost's flavor Day 2? And why did that make him a lock-townread for you?

Well learn is a big word, I assumed based on what I took as a hint from him plus his event.

Funny thing, I was wrong.

As for scum no killing, it seems highly unoptimal.

[grapes]

If it's "unoptimal" then who do you think scum should have been killing? You seemed to dodge that question.

[grapes]

Well learn is a big word, I assumed based on what I took as a hint from him plus his event.

And this looks like bullshit.

[mastin2]

New color scheme: orange = topvoter mastina; cyan = topvoter Titus; yellow = not a topvoter; red = scum; crimson = traitor; green = town.

Reasonably Rational

(3):

grapes

,

Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Chara (2):

mastin2, Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

Farside22

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt

,

SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory

,

Seraphim

,

Creature, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

,

Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes

,

Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Farside22, Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (13):

Klingoncelt

,

SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird

,

Shiro

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, killthestory

,

Seraphim

,

Creature, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

,

Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes

,

Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Not Chara

,

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

SnarkySnowman, Creature

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

TheWayItEnds (1):

Seraphim

Seraphim (1):

Farside22

Not Voting (10):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird, Skybird

,

Shiro

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

^Just want to make a note: this would be a fine time to check out Seraphim's iso. For instance, would this be a bus, or not? It's impossible to tell from VCA alone, but context will help.

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

,

Almost50

,

grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird, Skybird

,

Shiro

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

McMenno (5):

CooLDoG, Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim

,

Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes

,

Skybird

,

Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Creature

SirCakez (2):

Not Chara, mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Shiro

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

Farside22

Reasonably Rational (5):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

mastin2, Creature, Firebringer

McMenno (4):

CooLDoG

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim

,

Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes

,

Skybird

,

Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Shiro

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

Farside22

Not Chara (6):

grapes

,

Skybirdx2

,

Yume

,

Almost50

,

Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro

,

Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Reasonably Rational

,

killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

Not Chara (3):

grapes

,

Skybird

,

Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (3):

DrippingGoofball

,

Farside22, Firebringer

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim

Almost50 (2):

Shiro

,

Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu

,

Almost50

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Reasonably Rational

,

killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG

,

SirCakez

,

Seraphim

Not Chara (2):

grapes

,

Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofball

,

Firebringer

Almost50 (2):

Shiro

,

Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu

,

Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22

,

Skybird

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Reasonably Rational

,

killthestory, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume

,

grapes

,

Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22

,

Skybirdx2

,

Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG

,

Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Reasonably Rational

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume

,

grapes

,

Shiro

,

Firebringer

,

Reasonably Rational

,

SnarkySnowman

Shiro (4):

Farside22

,

Skybirdx2

,

Almost50

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG

,

Seraphim

Skybird (1):

Creature

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Farside22 (1):

killthestory

Not Voting (4):

Foxbird

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

,

grapes

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer

,

Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22

,

Skybird

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG

,

Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Creature

,

Reasonably Rational

SirCakez (LYNCH):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

,

grapes

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt

,

Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer

,

Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22

,

Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG

,

Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5):

Foxbird

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Creature

Reasonably Rational (6):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno, Yume, Creature, mastin2

Foxbird (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (16):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Klingoncelt

,

Foxbird

,

Xkfyu

,

Skybird

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Farside22, CooLDoG

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, killthestory

,

TheFuzzylogic99

,

SnarkySnowman, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

Reasonably Rational (6):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno, Yume, mastin2

,

Skybird

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

Farside22 (2):

randomidget, Obi-Wan Kenobi

DrippingGoofball (1):

Klingoncelt

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (11):

Twin Wings

,

Xkfyu

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

CooLDoG

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, killthestory

,

TheFuzzylogic99

,

SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds

Reasonably Rational (5):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno, Yume

,

Skybird

CooLDoG (3):

mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi

,

Almost50

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

TheFuzzylogic99

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

DrippingGoofball (1):

Klingoncelt

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (9):

Twin Wings

,

Xkfyu

,

Shiro

,

CooLDoG

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, killthestory, SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno

CooLDoG (3):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

DrippingGoofball (2):

Klingoncelt, Yume

Titus (1):

TheFuzzylogic99

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (10):

Twin Wings

,

Xkfyu

,

Shiro

,

CooLDoG

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, killthestory, SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds, Skybird

Loopdan (4):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

DrippingGoofball (2):

Klingoncelt, Yume

Titus (1):

TheFuzzylogic99

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (9):

Twin Wings

,

Xkfyu, Loopdan

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Not Chara, killthestory, SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds, Skybird

Loopdan (6):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, Not Chara

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

DrippingGoofball (2):

Klingoncelt, Yume

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

grapes (1):

killthestory

Not Voting (7):

Twin Wings

,

Loopdan

,

Reasonably Rational

,

SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds, Skybird

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade (7):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, Not Chara

,

grapes

Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofball

,

McMenno

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

DrippingGoofball (2):

Klingoncelt, Yume

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Not Voting (6):

Twin Wings

,

Mathblade

,

Reasonably Rational

,

SnarkySnowman

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade (9):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, Not Chara

,

grapes

,

McMenno, SnarkySnowman

Shiro (2):

Creature, Farside22

DrippingGoofball (2):

Klingoncelt, Yume

Reasonably Rational (1):

DrippingGoofball

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Twin Wings (1):

Kraskaeaque

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Not Voting (5):

Twin Wings

,

Mathblade

,

Reasonably Rational

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade (10):

mastin2, Titus

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu

,

grapes

,

McMenno, SnarkySnowman

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Yume

DrippingGoofball (3):

Klingoncelt, Farside22, Not Chara

Shiro (2):

Creature, Mathblade

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Not Voting (4):

Shadow_Step

,

Reasonably Rational

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade (8):

mastin2

,

Almost50

,

Shiro

,

Xkfyu, McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Yume, Titus

DrippingGoofball (4):

Klingoncelt, Not Chara, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman

Shiro (2):

Mathblade, Farside22

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Creature

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Kraskaeaque (1):

grapes

Creature (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade (8):

mastin2

,

Almost50

,

Xkfyu, McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Yume, Titus, Creature

DrippingGoofball (6):

Klingoncelt, Not Chara, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman

,

Shiro

,

Mathblade

Shiro (1):

Farside22

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

[cplor=cyan]

grapes (1):

[/color]

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Kraskaeaque (1):

grapes

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Mathblade LYNCH):

mastin2

,

Almost50

,

Xkfyu, McMenno

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Yume, Titus, Creature, Farside22, Not Chara

,

grapes

,

Mathblade, Firebringer

DrippingGoofball (3):

Klingoncelt, SnarkySnowman

,

Shiro

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational

,

TheWayItEnds

,

TheFuzzylogic99

Farside22 (7)

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion

,

TheWayItEnds

,

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Creature

DrippingGoofball (3):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99

,

Not Chara

Shadow_Step (3):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer, McMenno

Skybird (1):

Farside22

Firebringer (1):

Yume

Not Voting (7):

Shadow_Step

,

Xkfyu

,

Skybird

,

Almost50, Reasonably Rational

,

mastin2, randomidget

Farside22 (9):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion

,

TheWayItEnds

,

grapes

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Skybird

,

Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99

,

Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Xkfyu (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational

,

mastin2, randomidget

Farside22 (8):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Skybird

,

Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99

,

Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Kraskaesque (3):

mastin2

,

grapes

,

Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational

,

randomidget

Farside22 (LYNCH?):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion

,

TheWayItEnds

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Skybird

,

Yume, Xkfyu, Not Chara, McMenno, Kraskaeaque

,

Almost50

DrippingGoofball (3):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99

,

Creature

SnarkySnowman (3):

mastin2

,

grapes

,

Farside22

Kraskaesque (1):

Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational

,

randomidget

SnarkySnowman (7):

McMenno, Farside22, Titus, Not Chara

,

grapes

,

mastin2

,

TheWayItEnds

DrippingGoofball (4):

Thefuzzylogic99

,

SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature

Farside22 (1):

Almost50

Not Voting (9):

Shadow_Step

,

Xkfyu

,

Skybird

,

Shiro

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer, randomidget

DrippingGoofball (LYNCH):

Thefuzzylogic99

,

SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, Creature, Titus

,

Shiro

,

Firebringer

,

grapes

,

McMenno, Farside22, Not Chara

SnarkySnowman (2):

mastin2

,

TheWayItEnds

Farside22 (1):

Almost50

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Not Voting (5):

Shadow_Step

,

Xkfyu

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Reasonably Rational

,

randomidget

TheWayItEnds (3):

Farside22, Creature, McMenno

Shadow_Step (1):

Almost50

Thefuzzylogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (12):

Titus, Xkfyu

,

Shiro

,

Reasonably Rational

,

grapes

,

mastin2, Kraskaeaque, MagnaofIllusion

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

SnarkySnowman, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

TheWayItEnds (3):

Farside22, Kraskaeaque, mastin2

Farside22 (2):

ReasonablyRational, Almost50

Creature (1):

MagnaofIllusion

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (6):

Shiro

,

grapes

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

Creature, randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

^This is a PRETTY FREAKIN HUGE day, by the way. The TWIE lynch was essential. I have thoughts about the VCA prior to here, but those can wait until I post this.

Farside22 (4):

ReasonablyRational

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

Creature

,

Almost50

TheWayItEnds (2):

Kraskaeaque, mastin2

Creature (2):

MagnaofIllusion, Farside22

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (4):

Shiro

,

grapes

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

Farside22 (3):

ReasonablyRational

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

Creature

Creature (3):

MagnaofIllusion, Farside22

,

Almost50

TheWayItEnds (2):

Kraskaeaque, mastin2

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (4):

Shiro

,

grapes

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

TheWayItEnds (LYNCH):

Kraska77, mastin2

,

ReasonablyRational

,

Creature

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

Almost50

,

Farside22

Creature (2):

MagnaofIllusion

,

Shadow_Step

Kraska77 (1):

grapes

Not Voting (3):

Shiro

,

randomidget

,

TheWayItEnds

^Worth noting: while RR did join the lynch, I had to fight tooth and nail to get them there.
At this point, as a quick note to make sure I don't forget: Fuzzy has strong evidence suggesting he's not scum via VCA. Shiro has somewhere between minor and medium evidence that Shrio isn't scum via VCA. Almost50 has very VERY minor evidence he wouldn't be scum via the VCA, but nothing so conclusive as to remove him.
The main two who are

not

cleared via VCA are grapes and Reasonably Rational, though I would like to remind you that in this game everyone has more reason to be town than scum in spite of (at least) one person being scum, that VCA is just a tool not a godly weapon of scum destruction, and that the main thing I'm doing with this VCA isn't so much crunching the numbers as I am using the VCA to remember what was happening in the game at the time and therefore what the scum were likely to be doing and not be doing.

I am skipping Day Six--the only players voted (with the possible exception of Shiro, who was voted by Creature) were town that day, so there's nothing to learn except that town were voted that day; there is no way to discern scum from town there aside from arbitrary guesses as to what scum behavior would be.

Creature (3):

Shiro

,

Almost50

,

MagnaofIllusion

Shadow_Step (2):

Farside22, Creature

Not Voting (6):

Shadow_Step

,

Reasonably Rational

,

grapes

,

mastin2

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

randomidget

Creature (4):

Shiro

,

Almost50

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (3):

Farside22, Creature

,

Thefuzzylogic99

Not Voting (4):

Reasonably Rational

,

grapes

,

mastin2, randomidget

Creature (LYNCH!):

Shiro

,

Almost50

,

Shadow_Step

,

mastin2

,

Reasonably Rational

,

MagnaofIllusion

Shadow_Step (4):

Farside22, Creature

,

Thefuzzylogic99

,

grapes

Not Voting (1):

randomidget

^This also looks pretty fucking clear. Thefuzzylogic and grapes were both on Shadow_step, whereas Shiro/RR/Almost50 were all on Creature. I'd say that's pretty damn relevant.

I don't see much which can be gleaned from day eight votes, given that Shadow_step scumclaimed and literally the only non-Shadow vote was from Almost50. Which, I suppose, you can use to argue is something only stubborn town would do: "Yeah Shadow literally scumclaimed, but I don't give a damn, I'm voting for Fuzzy to make a statement!" I've actually DONE stuff like that before. I can totally buy him having done that as town.

I mean. You can draw your own conclusions from this all you'd like. But it pretty clearly shows, at least for me, that Reasonably Rational is, overall, one of the best lynches we have.
-Thefuzzylogic has STRONG VCA backing behind him being town.
-Shiro can only be scum if there are two scum, AND has at least okay backing behind being town via VCA.
-Almost50 has a notoriously bad voting record, so I understand grapes's suspicion there, but I just don't think Almost50 is actually scum. The votes were objectively bad but subjectively look extremely town.
-grapes's voting record isn't stellar, but it's not exactly bad, either: the moves grapes make look like they are town-motivated.
-Reasonably Rational's voting is "technically good", in that RR voted both SirCakez and TheWayItEnds, but I've made my thoughts clear on both of those lynches. They also lynched Creature over Shadow_step, and critically,

kept Thefuzzylogic from shooting Shadow_step

.

It's really pretty fucking simple.
Thefuzzylogic shouldn't be lynched at this stage.
Shiro shouldn't be lynched unless we receive confirmation of two scum.
So that leaves Almost50, grapes, and Reasonably Rational as lynches.
I'm not lynching grapes, making a grapes lynch impossible today.

Meaning, if you want a lynch, and you don't want that lynch to be Almost50, the only really viable lynch is Reasonably Rational.
At this stage, my plan is basically:
RR > grapes > Shiro. If grapes can't be lynched, then we have confirmation of one scum left, and I'd entertain the possibility of lynching Almost50, and I'd be flexible in the order of grapes/Shiro. But I really don't think we'll get there.

Because it really just is Reasonably Rational.

[mastin2]

And did you actually read my post?

Admittedly...not 100% in its entirety. But let me tell you this.

I almost never read a wall all the way through.

I skim them all the damn time.

Even ones which don't use the awful blocky text paragraph format of doom, I tend to not read in their entirety, especially if the subject is of little interest to me.

...But your wall? Your wall, I read in FAR more detail than normal. I read parts of it that I would never normally read, and the parts I normally read only partially, I was reading fully in their entirety. I saw what you were doing, and it was not something I see scum in your position doing. It's that simple, really.

[mastin2]

It's moments like this where I wish I could post:

NUKE: Reasonably Rational!

And have the moderator acknowledge that as a valid action which would remove RR from the game permanently.
Alas. I don't have that power. Not this game anyway. GOD I wish I did. Would be so much the right thing for me to do right now, and make the game SO much simpler, if RR could just be removed just like that.

Since I DON'T have that power, though...I have to fight the old-fashioned way to force a lynch on RR.
Like.
I am continuing to look at evidence as I speak, looking to see if there's any smoking gun on who the last scum would be that I have missed.
But short of me finding that, I just really think it's Reasonably Rational. We're talking, in the 90% percentile range. I don't use that percentile lightly anymore. (If I did, it wouldn't exactly mean much anymore. ) It's really just them.

[mastin2]

So we have 3 scum flips and you want to lynch based in hypothetical be. Okay we might as well hand the game to scum ffs.
Let's lynch obscum tfl .

This was in reference to a case against TheWayItEnds, in which Shadow_step protected TWIE and focused on Thefuzzylogic.

Unless you think that Shadow_step was directing attention from basically-a-goon-TWIE onto one-of-scum's-more-powerful-roles-Thefuzzylogic, bussing when it would've been ridiculously easy to focus attention on town, this is preeeeeeeeeetty clearly a sign that Thefuzzylogic isn't scum.

[mastin2]

@Mastin
I'm not really understanding why A50 is not scum for you?
Is it just because he was hard defending SC day 1? Well SC was possibly the most powerful scum role in the game because of him being the "leader". I wouldn't discount it.

This is also worthy of note.

[mastin2]

I think its TFL/Creature/Shiro in these 3
I have zero trust in TFL and what he will do, if he shoots town we lose a lynch.

This may not be enough to clear Shiro, but posts like this make it pretty abundantly clear that Thefuzzylogic isn't scum.

[mastin2]

I have played with Cerb before and I honestly don't think he is dumb enough as scum to trigger an event which can lead them to be POE'd like this, plus when there is a mod confirmed IC and there is a mason confirmed townie. It was obvious that none of the scum were likely to be going to get that reward.
Never lynching MOI/random/mastin/RR
Very unlikely to be lynching Grapes
Rest all could be scum
But I'm pretty sure its in the three I mentioned before.

By the way, this is one of only two (or three, or 2.5 really) mentions of an RR read, the other being here:

I have town leans of varying proportions on A50, Mcmenno and farside.
grapes, random and RR are nullish town.
Tfl is null scum.
xk, creature are scum reads.
No idea about the rest

Aside from this, other RR interactions?

@Everyone who is on, If you had to pick a scum in RR/Almost/Skybird, who would you pick and why?

Sktbird, because I have town reads on the other two.

(^Pseudo read, the .5)

It specifically says non-factional in there. Like A50 said, all it does is confirm that if you're scum, you're just a goon. And if you're town, you terribly misplayed this.

wait wut

Why weren't you trying to appear as a strong or of some sort? Or pushing people hard andbeing super active? The only value a VT has is in their scumhunting, and getting killed instead of an actual PR.

Nobody listens to me *shrug*

^Directly answering a question

Fuzzy is 90% town with snarkys flip (only way he's not is if his team deliberately let snarky live because they were afraid they would be lynched if they didn't have him around as a distraction), farside flip is most relevant for this particular scenario since she was, during the time the event was decided, the other most likely lynchee.

This sentence is a contradiction in itself, why is Fuzzy town because he saved Snarky. He was lynch bait anyway
I already said he did this because he's scum and wanted the meter to go to -4 ffs

^Trying to lynch Fuzzy

Creature/shadow: is there anything xkfyu said in the pt yesterday/last night that town should know? Any opinions on the game state etc?

He wasn't talking about his reads a lot in the PT except scum reading Snarky. I guess it was because he didn't trust Creature. He was town reading TWIE because he cleared grapes using his event amongst other things.

^Another direct question answer

[big-ass rant about farside]

This actually makes sense. Farside keeps changing her story too many times. Do you think lynchproof+deathproof makes sense as a town role?

^Agreeing against farside

[mastin2]

I keep feeling paranoid about grapes being scum who is just been coasting after hard bussing SC day 1.

^This is another thing of note.

[mastin2]

Near Town

RR – His interactions show me that he is trying to solve the game. Also the Hydra dissonance. I feel this shows that both heads are active and trying to solve the game.
TheFuzzylogic99 – Based on Math’s read since Math flipped town.
Almost50
Grapes

Scum Pool

DGB

– no attempts to figure the game out and weird claims/gambits.

TWIE

– Haven’t seen much from him (if anything). I know this is the way that TWIE normally is, but by now I would expect to start seeing some insights into players.

Snarkysnowman

Still Processing

Shadow Step

Shiro

Not Chara
MagnaofIllusion
McMenno
Creature
Randomidget
Firebringer

The main question to ask here is whether she put one, or two, scumbuddies in the still processing zone. If two, Shiro's the only possibility. If one, Shiro is town.

Regardless, we know for a fact that she put a scumbuddy in the "near town" pile because literally every fucking possible scum candidate is in that pile unflipped.
Of them, Almost50 and grapes are both blind without reasoning; Fuzzy and RR are with reasoning.
So the second question would be, reasoning or no reasoning for the scumbuddy?

If reasoning, then Reasonably Rational sticks out like a sore thumb, as the only read Skybird explains and also as something which doesn't really seem to fit, and also has a weird progression for someone who was voting the slot earlier--admittedly as a sheeping vote, but then when she unvoted in 3965, it was "not seeing them as scum", not "seeing them as town". (An important difference.) So she went from blindly voting RR, to unvoting, to having RR as one of her strongest townreads.

[mastin2]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

At this point I agree with Shiro that Far is most likely 3rd party survivor at worst case. I'd like to see her get lynched before LyLo to be sure we don't all lose to her at end game if she's left alive though.

You know I'm reading these two posts, and in them I'm seeing a reflection, a reflection which shows Reasonably Rational's pushes at points after this which are almost identical in literally every single way.

Reasonably Rational pressed the gems about not revealing their wincon.
Reasonably Rational pressed for farside to be lynched so that "we don't all lose to a 3rd party win". (And later retconned into "siding with scum", butstill, same idea of being endgamed regardless.)

I read these posts, by known scum, about our third parties.
And I think of Reasonably Rational's given stance on our third parties.
They are aligning perfectly.

I think there's a damn good reason that Reasonably Rational's stances are a dead fucking mirror to flipped scum's stances.

[mastin2]

Almost bby want to ally?

Sure, why not! It's a BIG gamble on my part, I know (bc .. you know .. in the majority of games we were of opposite alignments), but a very good player IMHO and if you're town here then we rock!!
I'll submit the request right now

Ok I sent in the request. It will be worth it.

Time for some early reads!
Town pool = Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Scum pool = Mcmenno, kraskaesque, obi
Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational

Anyone else hasn't made an impression on me

For what it's worth: I do not think this is scum-scum allying interactions. It's possible, I suppose, but looking at SirCakez's reads, the ally seems to be done for buddying purposes, to get Almost50 to become an ally beyond the ally request itself: in short, a way to let Almost50 know "hey, I'm valuable here". Like, I have trouble reading SirCakez's post here as anything other than "I am doing this so that you will townread and defend me".

Town:

Fire, Not Chara, mastina

,

grapes

,

farside
Nulltown: Yume, Creature, Klingon

,

A50

,

CoolDog
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS

,

Foxbird, Skybird

,

Seraphim

,

Random

,

TWIE

,

Shiro

,

DGB

Nullscum:

Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: Mcmenno, Obi

Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them =

reasonably rational

So at this point, scum didn't know DGB was a traitor, but they would know each other. And SirCakez put literally all of the flipped scum in his null reads here. This makes me inclined to believe grapes is not in fact scum. The main questions?
-Is Almost50 in nulltown the deviation from the nullreads of scumbuddies?
-Are either Shiro/Fuzzy scum in the nulls, or are they town? (I'm strongly inclined to think the latter.)
-What do you make of RR essentially being "permanently null, but in a special kind of null"? For me, I think that it fits the mold of the nullreading of a scumbuddy.

Nothing he's said has felt genuine and a lot of his thoughts are surface level. Even very early game I thought his tone felt off and his stances are hard to follow. Like his menno read is for fishing and he's stayed far too sticky and confident there considering mcmenno has done some town things. Obi-wan vote was pretty bad. It's either scum fanning the flames of a tvt or cakes sawing for chara.

I will give you this first part, I haven't been putting any real effort in so far and it's obviously causing me to be read incorrectly. So I'm going to work harder on putting in real content. The second part - what town things are you referring to from McMenno? Nothing has stuck out to me from him, almost everything he's posting is just fluff and useless. I know he can contribute more. Final point - I don't understand what was wrong with this vote? Obi has been a scumread for me since pregame. See below quote

Seriously, look at her scumreads:

ScumReads

Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
Seraphim
SnarkySnowman
Creature

Not Chara is new. Kraskaesque are a hydra of newer players. Seraphim and SnarkySnowman are know as lynchbaits. grapes sees me as extremely lynchable.

This is a great example of a post that sucks from Obi. All of those scumreads are lurkers and lynchbait. Nothing risky.

I also do not see this as a scum-scum interaction.

SirCakez and McMenno are two other scumreads I have. If a wagon emerged on either on them, I would definitely join in. grapes has largely outlined a fairly excellent case on Cakez, but there is a strong tendency of surface level play, a going through the motions of engagement. I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.

This is a strong post from Sera, like some others noted. I agree with basically everything said here except for the scumread on me obviously, but I can see where he's coming from on that read. Feel good enough to move Sera to nulltown.

@Cakes

Wanna ally?

I'm not sure why you're asking this, considering your huge scumread on me?

This I also see as a good not-scumbuddy interaction, in this case both with Fuzzy's slot and with grapes. (For that matter, I did note 1193 from TWIE, but I thought it still possible--1189 is more of a post for why Fuzzy's slot isn't likely to be scum.)

There is probably at least 2 scum among my nulls
Town:

Fire, mastina

,

grapes

,

farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, Klingon

,

A50

,

Seraphim

Null:

Kraskaesque, KTS

,

Foxbird, Skybird

,

Seraphim

,

Random

,

TWIE

,

Shiro

,

DGB

,

NC, CoolDog
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: McMenno, Obi

Notably absent from the list: Reasonably Rational. Fuzzy's slot is listed twice, though the nulltown one is the accurate one.

SC has not been talking much to me so far, and it feels like my first episode alliance with him didn't even help me get a more confident read about him

I had thought of him to be town based on the very fact he requested to ally with me. I'm usually suspicious of him bc whenever we play in the same game we're of different alignments. This has been the case in most of our previous games together and it lead me to always be suspicious of him, so wanting to be in a PT with me I thought meant he was town for sure.

But the lack of communication in that PT is starting to worry me. I have yet to check beyond this post I'm responding to to see if he had been posting in this game at all.

Check back there

This is another interaction which doesn't look like scum-scum to me.

If I was scum and wanted to attack people on the NC wagon, why wouldn't I be going for lurking A50 or grapes who is already scumreading me and being scumread by NC?

The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum

This is another very strong one. I don't see SirCakez, as scum, saying this about someone who is a scumbuddy, which to me suggests neither Almost50 nor grapes are scum.

Ok having read through this and NC's view of it, to me it just sounds like you two both developed scumreads on each other at around the same time and are now both being biased about what happened in the hood. Both of your claims of the events in the hood are the same, just with different spins on it.
I think it's highly likely this is a T v T.

I agree with this assessment of the situation. Also, same post...

I was trying to make sure grapes didn't think I was just full of shit and making something up.

NOT something you say about a scumbuddy (grapes), and this was in response to Almost50 in a way I don't think is something which would be said TO a scumbuddy.

Spoiler: reduced

I asked him what his reads were and he threw a bunch of naked ones at me.
I told him I'd look into his obi push, realized his iso was a labryth and asked him to summarize why he they were scum in a few sentences.
He drops an entire case in there with bulletpoints.

And at that point. Between all the "can't wait to talk tonight" and "ill be around for a while" stuff.

It just wasn't a good vibe.

Asked him if he'd be willing to claim. He was townreading me but it was hard to get a sense of how strong.
Said he doesn't trust me. That's fine.

But of the questions I asked. My questions about obi seemed to illicit the most reaction. Which makes sense being his top scumread.
Titus towned up a fuck of a lot from day start and that was one of the things I noticed so figured I'd ask about it.
And I remember not resonating with his push at all. Like the things he was bringing up felt more like small forgivable slight inconsistancies that I'd make pushes for as scum. Particularly people like titus who isn't always easy to understand anyway.

My judgment call was. Yes, this push is omgus and malicious and not genuine. At that point I disengaged from the hood and put full focus in the thread on pushing my scumreads.

Later he says "you know for someone who claims to sort in hoods you sure aren't sorting me"

This is posturing.

Later finally he brings up that he didn't gain any alliance bonuses and asked me if it could have anything to do with me.

Before I can respond, he votes me in thread for concluding that my role is more likely to be a scum role.

So where from day start until then did the realization happen that he didn't get alliance bonuses because of me?

When it was the most convenient for him.

Ok having read through this and NC's view of it, to me it just sounds like you two both developed scumreads on each other at around the same time and are now both being biased about what happened in the hood. Both of your claims of the events in the hood are the same, just with different spins on it.
I think it's highly likely this is a T v T.

This is why cakes is scum ftr.

He's quick to write this off as tvt without giving a deeper understanding of what exactly is going on here and our takes on what happened in the hood aren't very similar at all. They're different because what chara said went down isn't what went down because its scum.

In other words.

His logic is "okay these two guys both developed opportunistic scumreads on each other out of nowhere and are both twisting what was said in a hood to make the other person look bad. Feels town on town."

One, my scumread devolved on chara far earlier. Two, that doesn't make any sense.

They sure looks similar to me
If someone outside of you two wants to give their take on what you and NC said that would be great
What doesn't make sense about that?

Another great not-scum interaction between the two.

I mean, there's a difference between bussing, and interacting. And this is not a scum-scum interaction.
For examples of interactions which are more possible to be scum, see: 2307 (confirmed for Foxbird, possible on Shiro), 2327, and 2334 (both for RR). While those are not necessarily what I'd call "indicative of scum interactions", they're a fine example of "interactions which

could

be scum-scum".

The way SirCakez treated grapes was not the way he would treat a scumbuddy.

Town:

Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature

,

A50

,

Seraphim

,

NC

,

grapes

,

Seraphim

,

Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS

,

Skybird

,

Random

,

TWIE

,

DGB

,

Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro

,

Foxbird

,

CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi

,

Reasonably Rational

,

Xkfyu

The "review" list made no changes relevant compared to the prior one, actually. The only moved names were town. But of note: grapes has moved from a prior list in town down to nulltown. I find that to be a fairly good sign grapes isn't scum as well. Fuzzy's slot is still listed twice, btw. And here, we have the basic question:
Where did SirCakez put the rest of his scumbuddies? Nulltown, nullscum, or scum? You know by now my opinion.

2431 is a fine example of an interaction which can be scum-scum: he's just talking, to someone who was mostly just talking. He wasn't even trying to convince RR...and he wasn't even trying to fight RR. If he wanted to press RR as scum, there could have been a fight. If he wanted to press RR as town, there could have been effort to dissuade him. Neither was there.

FGS Town it up. Even if you are Scum, please go get lynched when you're NOT in my Event. Better yet, if you're Town give me something conclusive in our own PT to defend you with.

I'm tryin' mate but people pushing me are either ridiculusly confbiased (mastin, grapes) or just scum (Obi, mcmenno).

Another example of an interaction which does not seem scum-scum, especially not out in the open when as scumbuddies they would have a PT. Also, the grapes bit is again not how I'd think he would treat a scumbuddy.

Notably absent from the "or just scum" pile? Reasonably Rational, his alleged scumread who at this point had already made the "case" against SirCakez.

[mastin2]

Probably should do some real content too. But what content do I have? Hmmmmm. Well. Creature is my strongest non-Mastin/Yume townread (i.e. based purely on play). KTS is town.
I mostly just have a list of players I am peeved at but I think TheWayItEnds stands out as good scumread material.

Vote: TheWayItEnds

I am voting TWIE because currently he hits the profile for likely lurker scum. Not my strongest scumread as someone seems to have inferred from my vote, but the one I want to vote at this juncture in the game.

Actually you are totally right about Xkfyu. randommidget has yet to post during D1 and TWIE's posts are pretty shit in general.

Unvote
Vote: Xkfyu

^While I realize this is him moving off of scum onto town, I still like this post, when combined with the others especially.

Twie is the one you picked so I'm asking why him over others.

Gut mostly. If I were to try and qualify that statement, out of the lurkers his show the greatest disengagement from the game. When I was working to catch up, I knew that there was no way all of the scum were in the active players list. I didn't have any particularly strong scumreads, just a lot of conflicting personalities and drama in which it was too soon to call who was scum or not. And a lot of shitposting. So I decided to go through some of the lurker isos and see if I could catch something. I tend to do better when there's less information to compute as there is less possibility of read dilution. TWIE stood out as "drive-by" lurking and it seemed like a good place to start until so more stuff happened.

I'm on the fence about a lot of players but here are some thoughts and reads I've had.

farside is town (Even though I will probably get accused of buddying w/e). A high level of engagement with the game and probably the game's strongest scumhunter currently. Which is why Snarky is really hard to read. On the one hand, the push is bullshit. On the other hand, they are putting themselves out there very strongly with their bullshit read/case thing. I'm uncertain as of this moment if that's because Snarky is scum caught with their pants down and now forced to push the read until they can weasel their way out of it OR they are town who genuinely believe what is actually not a fantastic scumread at all. So I'm sitting on that one.

SirCakez and McMenno are two other scumreads I have. If a wagon emerged on either on them, I would definitely join in. grapes has largely outlined a fairly excellent case on Cakez, but there is a strong tendency of surface level play, a going through the motions of engagement. McMenno has been lurking in the wings and also rolefishing super hard. I think every player here wants more answers in terms of role shit but McMenno's questioning of Mastin seemed like scum using the pretense of that lack of information to try and secure a lynch.

I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.
Same thing with Xkfyu. The big difference here being that they showed up and made some other awful posts.

I am really not sure what people are seeing in Not Chara as scum.

I really, really, really, REALLY like this string of posts from Seraphim's slot.

Sure, yeah, it's possible this was early bussing which was backed out of, especially given that in 1530, Seraphim chose McMenno (town) over SirCakez (scum).

But it was REALLY strong early posting, with some great insight and fairly solid reads for the most part.

So, again: Fuzzy's slot is pretty strongly not scum.

[mastin2]

Another point in favor of Almost50/Shiro/grapes being town, by the way, is admittedly some pretty shitty flavor-spec especially coming from someone who hasn't watched the show and is going purely by the Steven Universe wiki, but.
Army, as a character, makes sense as having a killing-based ability.
The two players with killing-based abilities are Reasonably Rational (their hammer ability) and Thefuzzylogic.
In particular,

shouting that she will tear [The Crystal Gems] limb from limb

^This sounds like it fits RR's hammer ability as a power.

[mastin2]

(Also, while Yume told me the flavor of Sadie fits for that ability, I struggle to find how. Just sayin'.)

[mastin2]

Also on the subject of flavor...reading, I can understand why Lapis can be leftovers who joins the town, but not so much leftovers who'd join the scum, and see her more as a town role than anything else--aside from one instance (where she was working alone), she hasn't been antagonistic, even though there have been times where she hasn't been helpful.

Peridot, the KNOWN leftover, started as far more antagonistic, then moved to neutral, and then moved to crystal gems, so it made sense for Peridot to have the option to join the crystal gems.

[Shiro]

If it's "unoptimal" then who do you think scum should have been killing? You seemed to dodge that question.

People fuzzy has been killing ?

Only day there was no kill was when the even that prevented scum to do anything happened, where convenitly fuzzy said that he decided not to shoot shadow.

It might sound like bullshit to you but it is the truth.

[Randomnamechange]

@grapes i would not put it past yume to troll town. They have lied about their abilities multiple times in past games

[grapes]

If it's "unoptimal" then who do you think scum should have been killing? You seemed to dodge that question.

People fuzzy has been killing ?
Only day there was no kill was when the even that prevented scum to do anything happened, where convenitly fuzzy said that he decided not to shoot shadow.
It might sound like bullshit to you but it is the truth.

Fuzzy has killed Firebringer (on the same Night that scum killed not chara) and Farside, who was in the lynchpool because of bad third party paranoia.
So I ask again -- what's so subopitmal about scum no killing?

And you want to know why I think it's bullshit? Because Almost's event wasn't a secret Day 1. You've been paying attention to flavor like a big guy at the ice cream parlor you're not gonna sell me that it just "dawned" on you out of nowhere that

1) You realized what his flavor was
2) You're bad enough to think events are alignment indicative when varsoon told us events are tied to fakeclaims.

But even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, and here's the big thing.
Why did that make you want an alliance with him?

@grapes i would not put it past yume to troll town. They have lied about their abilities multiple times in past games

Alright even if we ignore the ICness -- why's mastin scum?