Micro 670: Death Miller Mafia 2 GAME OVER

Charloux · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:34 am

When a moment comes where a guy like me has the most common sense, it can only mean that town lost.

rb · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:38 am

Nah I'm the best

rb · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:38 am

Tbh if ur town as well i just don't even know why people like you and arc queue

rb · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:41 am

Im gonna re read this game all properly and stuff and then solve it. Some time in the next few days, for now sleep

karnos · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:12 am

In post 343, culted wrote:tl;dr he isn't approaching reads from a mindset of sorting a two mafia game if that makes sense.

Take a look yourself and see if you see what I mean.

Are you saying that you approach the game differently if there are 2 scum, vs a game with 3 scum or 4 scum? I'm not sure I see the point in that. I look for scummy behavior and try to get it lynched. Sometimes you have 4 scummy players in a game with 3 scum, but if you lynch all 4 of them you will probably get the scum so it doesn't matter if the numbers don't line up perfectly.

karnos · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:15 am

In post 350, Charloux wrote:When a moment comes where a guy like me has the most common sense, it can only mean that town lost.

What do you think of lemons? Am I reading him wrong?

mykonian · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:42 am

votecount

Charloux (2): Lemons, rb
Karnos (1): culted
Lemons (1): karnos

not voting (3): Darkshadow64540, Charloux, BTD6_maker

BTD6_maker · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:49 am

My Internet is horrible. I well post normally after the 5th.

Charloux · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:04 pm

In post 355, karnos wrote:
In post 350, Charloux wrote:When a moment comes where a guy like me has the most common sense, it can only mean that town lost.
What do you think of lemons? Am I reading him wrong?

Actually, right now i see him as this setups wildcard and not scum. Upon rereading his ISO, apart from a few possible scum motivated actions like his vote on you on D1, i don't see his actions as benefiting scum. for example

In post 235, Lemons wrote:Rb still seems town. He's been contributing to conversation in a mostly constructive way, and I really don't see scummy intent there, even if Charloux flipped town.

In post 266, Lemons wrote:Also holy cow ArcAngel is here. ArcAngel, what do you think of everything? What are your reads?

I don't think scum would go out of their way to post something like this.
But with a whooping 14 pages in total, there is no way to get a good grip on anybody's alignment. I wonder why i put him in the scumlean category yesterday though

Charloux · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:11 pm

In post 338, Lemons wrote:Charloux is still looking pretty scummy from day 1, especially since he seemed to get mysteriously quiet as soon as the wagon was off of him and on AA. When he was about to be lynched it seemed like he wanted to leave the town with as much info as possible, posting his read list and such, but as soon as the pressure was off he got quiet.

If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.

Filler question: Do you think that i as scum would kill the only person who was defending me on D1?

Lemons · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:17 pm

Your filler question is WIFOM for the same reason GL's kill can' be used for or against karnos. Scum!you could have easily killed GL specifically because she defended you. Or not. Impossible to tell.

Charloux · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:21 pm

That's why i labeled it as Filler question. The correct answer is YES. Because i'm HALF CRAZY!

Lemons · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.

Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then? And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?

Lemons · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:29 pm

Also, since your reads have changed, who do you think is scum now?

Charloux · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 362, Lemons wrote:
In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.
Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then? And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?

I didn't want to play anymore at the time.

In post 363, Lemons wrote:Also, since your reads have changed, who do you think is scum now?

Darkshadow+ Btd make the most sense to me right now.

Lemons · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:42 pm

What about them seems scum to you?

Charloux · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:01 pm

Btd is constantly in VLA mode and still in RVS from what i can see. No point discussing him before january 5th
My scumread on RK was centered around her motivation and behaviour concerning her vote on me. Dark made 11 NAI posts so far. Surprised nobody asked him about 293 though. For all i know, he just repeated the names of the 3 most scumread people at the time without any opinion.
This is basically poe more or less right now.

Darkshadow64540 · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:32 am

Sorry for the lack of activity, year end BS at work. Give me a few minutes to catch up

Darkshadow64540 · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:08 am

My current reads:
BTD6_maker - v/la makes it a pain to read...
Lemons - currently town
Charloux - slight scum read
culted - I don't like you but not quite scum
karnos - SCUM
rb - TOWN

Darkshadow64540 · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:13 am

That said, both of my town reads are voting one of my scum reads.

Intent to put Charloux at L-1, waiting prevent a fast lynch

rb · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:10 pm

I really am having a stupid holidays. Sorry I'm struggling to be active atm.

karnos · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:34 am

In post 370, rb wrote:I really am having a stupid holidays. Sorry I'm struggling to be active atm.

I think we all are. I am going to be out most of the day, might be able to check back tonight and comment.

rb · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:44 am

I'm actually so bad at this game rn.

I wish I had better reads, I don't. RK/Charloux are my top scumreads atm, that's literally it and that doesn't even make a lot of sense as a scumteam necessarily.

karnos · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:05 am

My feeling is that when the game gets like this, it's because scum is perfectly happy with the way the votes are going and they don't feel any need to play actively and try to steer wagons.

In other words: Charloux is probably town. OTOH, we do have over a week until deadline, so scum could just be slow-playing as well, and the holiday is probably a legitimate reason for many players to be absent.

I wanted to see lemons flip because I'm pretty confident the early wagon on me was scum pushed. Since scum were kind enough to flip GL for me that leaves lemons as the next obvious possibility. Then again, I could see scum strategically killing GL, thinking I would push lemons next- which would make lemons town. Maybe I just had a bunch of bad reads on day 1. But... I would expect at least one scum would be willing to push lemons along with me if that thinking is right, maybe the lack of willingness to jump on his wagon is because he *is* scum. Too much WIFOM.

Anyway, gotta get the game moving.

Blatant OMGUS- VOTE: culted Explain your push on me.

Darkshadow64540 · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:12 am

In post 372, rb wrote:I'm actually so bad at this game rn.

I wish I had better reads, I don't. RK/Charloux are my top scumreads atm, that's literally it and that doesn't even make a lot of sense as a scumteam necessarily.

RK has left this game, I was their replacement. That said what's your opinion on karnos?