Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Fishythefish]

I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?

[drealmerz7]

oh! I wanted to note:

vecna's scumpings that I'd been receiving since early game completely disappeared once Titus was out of the game

I think it was ego-rubbings of 2 people who wanted to "guide" the game in directions they thought were correct and I was picking up that contentious energy. Vecna has jumped up to way-towny to me (doesn't quite have that giga or fishy clearance in my mind, but, he's definitely working on entering that echelon)

pretty sure Dunn is town

MB's scumpings keep on coming and they're now wading in the scumpool

[Maxous]

Magna had a terrible vote on creature and a bad vote on Uzi.
His scum reads after that were Vecna, Drone and Jackel. Yeah.
He also complained how bad gerryoat is while saying nothing about Maria

[Maxous]

Do I even need to explain milkshake..

If you want the real TL:DR - that slot has had 3 separate players, none of which had impressed me

[SpyreX]

See i subscribe to maxouses newsletter

[davesaz]

Still dont get either why people had such a strong read on magna. Slot was a complete blank since the start of the game as far as I'm concerned. At any rate, way to many of those slots left, and i have to many townreads for them not to be scumfested.

I agree with this. AA9 would be an acceptable lynch for me.

[davesaz]

The game is almost at PoE level for me. Lynch everyone I don't have a town read on and adjust if any of them flip town.
Slight chance that a townread is skating but they'd need to be acting really hard to fit in.

[Kison]

The milkshake & McMenno slots are both pretty similar in how terrible they are. Both were on the Drone & Jackel wagons for essentially no reason at all.

The only thing that makes me hesitate to vote McMenno is I find it questionable that he, as scum, would have chosen to defend Maria on day 3 when the wagon was size 7, especially when he indicated during day 2 that he'd be willing to vote for her. It was incredibly clear at that point that she was going to be lynched, so it would have been easy to just cast the vote and hop aboard. Why choose (very weakly) to defend her there and draw attention to himself?

The only redeemable quality of Milkshake's slot was MoI, who only had a handful of early-game posts, so it's not saying much.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Fishythefish]

Currently leaning towards McMenno over AA9, simply because I prefer the wagon composition.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?

uzi has a roller-coaster read from me

like logically i understand your points against him and want to agree - but his last few posts from today read really genuinely and I've been in his position as town before and felt similar so?? i kind of get his side

honestly he's my choice for a cop inspection because people still really want to lynch him and yet there's still strong opposition to his lynch

McMenno > AA9 > Uzi is my order of preference tbh

i see the AA9 wagon is larger now but i'd like to wait for AA9 to at least... post something?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

her v/la should end in like ~4 days iirc (january 2nd right) and we have 6 days of deadline time

[gerryoat]

The game is almost at PoE level for me. Lynch everyone I don't have a town read on and adjust if any of them flip town.
Slight chance that a townread is skating but they'd need to be acting really hard to fit in.

This sounds forced. You're just saying common logic

[gerryoat]

Dave had pushed himself into my slight scum pool

[McMenno]

Currently leaning towards McMenno over AA9, simply because I prefer the wagon composition.

what a sudden turnaround

hmmmmmmmmm

[Fishythefish]

A turnaround from what to what? I don't think that post contradicts anything I've said ever.

[McMenno]

what do you mean by that post

[Fishythefish]

Currently leaning towards McMenno over AA9, simply because I prefer the wagon composition.

what a sudden turnaround

hmmmmmmmmm

Presumably, this post is saying that my 4433 (leaning towards you over AA9, if that is the choice today) is a change from my previous position, and that that's suspicious in some way you can't be bothered to explain.

Actually, 4433 isn't a "turnaround" at all. I've never said anything much on AA9, and Uzi is still my preferred lynch.

[McMenno]

previously you made these posts

gerry and McMenno picked a fight with a decently town-read, fairly influential player. They did so in a way that had no prospect of leading to his lynch, before I turned up - which they could not have predicted. So I don't think there's a good scum motive here. I could see one of them being scum, following the other - from the initial neighbourhood posts, where gerry reacted first, that would likely be McM following gerry. But my instinct is that they are town here.

When and how did McMenno become obvious scum? Seems that we've all been calling him a little bit scummy for ages, and suddenly there's a real push on him. Where's it coming from?

indicating that you have a townread on me

and this one

I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?

indicating that you have a nullread on the AA9 slot, even no read

yet you prefer my lynch over theirs. even throwing some weird-ass shade "and that's suspicious in some way you can't be bothered to explain."

and it doesn't matter that you've never specified the dynamics between myself and the AA9 slots, your posts are still in this thread

[McMenno]

VOTE: AA9

I have a newfound townread on dunn feels like scum!fishy wanted to set us up

[McMenno]

Vecna's post makes Grey an even better protect tonight; gives us two lynches tomorrow. And I can confirm that all diamonds are accounted for by those paying sufficient attention (which is a lot of attention).

UNVOTE:

With a lot on both sides Dunn's slip (or not) is one I struggle to be sure of the significance of.

The fact that I've failed to persuade a single strong townread likely means I'm way up the wrong tree.

(Still, I don't regret outing this. McMenno and gerry's way of doing this was only leading bad places)

VOTE: Uzi

also badposting to the extreme, though not necessarily alignment indicative

[Fishythefish]

previously you made these posts

gerry and McMenno picked a fight with a decently town-read, fairly influential player. They did so in a way that had no prospect of leading to his lynch, before I turned up - which they could not have predicted. So I don't think there's a good scum motive here. I could see one of them being scum, following the other - from the initial neighbourhood posts, where gerry reacted first, that would likely be McM following gerry. But my instinct is that they are town here.

When and how did McMenno become obvious scum? Seems that we've all been calling him a little bit scummy for ages, and suddenly there's a real push on him. Where's it coming from?

indicating that you have a townread on me

and this one

I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?

indicating that you have a nullread on the AA9 slot, even no read

yet you prefer my lynch over theirs. even throwing some weird-ass shade "and that's suspicious in some way you can't be bothered to explain."

and it doesn't matter that you've never specified the dynamics between myself and the AA9 slots, your posts are still in this thread

Yep, I think your play today is a bit more likely from town than scum; though as I say in that post, scum following gerry's lead also makes sense. 4331 isn't saying I have a townread on you at all. Overall; yeah, from your posting I would probably have aa9 as marginally more likely scum. The fact that I townread your wagon much more consistently than his outweighs that.

As for weird-ass shade: I was saying, perhaps a little snarkily, that you should actually explain yourself rather than saying "hmmmmmmm".

VOTE: AA9

I have a newfound townread on dunn feels like scum!fishy wanted to set us up

Wait, what? I say I'd rather lynch you than aa9, and that leads to you changng your mind on dunn? Why?

Vecna's post makes Grey an even better protect tonight; gives us two lynches tomorrow. And I can confirm that all diamonds are accounted for by those paying sufficient attention (which is a lot of attention).

UNVOTE:

With a lot on both sides Dunn's slip (or not) is one I struggle to be sure of the significance of.

The fact that I've failed to persuade a single strong townread likely means I'm way up the wrong tree.

(Still, I don't regret outing this. McMenno and gerry's way of doing this was only leading bad places)

VOTE: Uzi

also badposting to the extreme, though not necessarily alignment indicative

Care to explain?

[MathBlade]

VLA til Monday will catch up then

[Dunnstral]

Dave had pushed himself into my slight scum pool

Dave's town

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Your third observation proves the point I'm trying to make. Titus called me scum various times throughout that day for little to no reason at all. The only reason I would've had for voting for Maria would've been the same as the feelings I had about her Day 1. There was no way I was going to be able to get her or the rest of the town on board solely off of those feelings and with how hard she was scum reading me for thinking I was attempting to fish for cards. If anything, it would have only forced her to tunnel more since she was town reading Maria hard.

The problem is that a typical vote count on Day 2 looked like this:

DAY 2 VOTECOUNT #8

Jackel98 (6)

- SpyreX, Titus, gigabyteTroubadour, milkshake, Fishythefish, kraska77

MariaR (3)

- davesaz, Dunnstral, Vecna

kraska77 (2)

- Kison, Vedith

Lil Uzi Vert (2)

- drealmerz7, gerryoat

davesaz (2)

- McMenno, Jackel98

milkshake (1)

- Vifam

drealmerz7 (1)

- Transcend

Vedith (1)

- MariaR

Titus (1)

- Maxous

Not Voting (1)

- Lil Uzi Vert

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2016-12-19 13:01:49)

The MariaR didn't need a prophet. It had three perfectly respectable voters already (in fact, it was rather high quality). It needed followers, and you were nowhere to be seen.

And the pressure on you from Titus was just not that extreme; it's roughly the level of you being one of 5 scumreads Titus had. This can't be shown in quotes - the best thing for people to do here is ISO Titus themselves. Does anyone really believe that a fear of Titus kept Uzi from voting Maria on Day 2? I find it obvious nonsense.

Did you read the town game I had linked you? I don't vote until I feel really good about the chances of the person I'm voting for flipping scum unless I'm forced to compromise.

Also, I don't recall Dave or Dunn being held in such high regard at the time.

[Fishythefish]

No, I haven't read that game yet. I will try to summon the will tomorrow or the day after. And probably a fair point about Dave and Dunn at the time.