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[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

A grudge vote that's what

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Am I allowed to post till I die by host?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Did I seriously die on Page 1?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ali are those words coming out of your lips?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

> Creature
> Gamma Emerald
> drealmerz

Well this is awkward

What's awkward?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm just waiting for Grey to get in here so that the real entertainment can start.
This party don't start without fuckin Grey around.

THAT'S MY BOY!



Sorry Creats, you're gonna have to contribute as your scum tell is literally flaking as scum.

VOTE: Creature

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Or you could just blatantly state that you're going to lurk and think you'll be able to get away with it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

May I ask the reasoning behind both of ya'lls votes? You're not adding much value to the thread when you vote with no explanation as to why

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LMFAO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Day talk is active.

YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Sorry for calling you an idiot actually, I need to tone back on that.

I've been thinking, new year, new tie?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

It's a fair Cop.

Dayvig Gin

DIE SUCKA

What about this screams scum to you actually?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fake a town slip?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: @Creature

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

She's an alt of the account called "Downer"

(Btw I'm writing a post as we speak so chill out i'm not ignoring you)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I fucking love maths

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lol Debi, You don't get the context as to why it's actually a god like miracle and because you opened to the door to the maths, let's do it. (I'll also go over your other concerns but let me have some fun here)

Spoiler: Maths for the fuck of it

I have two completed games under my belt and then this one I'm playing. So far out of all 3 of them, Pine has been them all.

Now the first game was the HungerGames Round 2 and that contained 17 players and there was 4 evil roles so we start out as me landing scum with a 4/17 chance. Now we multiply that by the Pine having the slot of scum as well so it's 3/16. Let us not forget that Pine also replaced in to a scum slot so that's a 3/16 chance he had the chance of replacing in to a scum slot and join me with day talk which is a 1/2 chance of being included.

Next, we move onto a game we just had where we had 5/8 townies and that was my chance of landing townie and 3/7 chance for Pine to land scum that game and again, 1/2 chance of having a game together with day talk.

Finally, this is where we do a little assuming here but I doubt the maths change would be astronomical. We assume a 4:1 ratio of scum meaning we have 5 scums this game, Now by the way the PM was worded, I'm going to go under the premise of a 5 man scum game meaning there would be a 5/19 chance I roll scum and for Pine a 4/18 chance he's scum.

After multiplying by 100 to give us percent, we get

0.006475749% chance that all of this has occurred so Pine and I could use that as scum theatre.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also another thing, when voting for somebody, you might thing they are suspicious or whatever. Therefore I have a question for you. If you are wanting to vote Pine, and argue for the vote on Pine, why are you suggesting he might not be scum via the 'when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them'???

UNVOTE: Alisae
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Grudge votes are part of the RVS stage. I don't know his alignment and I moved onto Creature so if you're saying I've been pushing a Pine lynch that's a misrep.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If its OK, can I have your reason as to why you switched to Creature? It is easily interpretable that you changed vote afterwards to try and get rid of suspicions. I'd just like proof that this isn't the case.

Okay, I'll just lurk

through all the first 3 days so scum won't kill me early. Hopefully scum are lynched meanwhile.

Counting the ones I played somewhat relevantly:

Micro 597: Went super aggressive but didn't try to look like I was solving anything
Mini 1787: Showed obvious scum motivation
Newbie 1703:

Lurked, been called lurker lot of times

Open 643:

Lurked and eventually flaked out

Micro 619:

Lurked and coasted

Wake's Role Madness:

Lurked and coasted

The Walking Dead:

Lurked a lot

, my other hydra head had to do the most
Micro 647: Was actually towny there, but still lurked a bit

Likely all very different from my townplay

He also lurked in the Hungergames which is where this quote came from in the scum chat.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I voted creature before I even knew you existed

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

She is but this misrep shit is killing me

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Dunn, that was @Debi

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Is asking questions not contributing?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Zach, what's your thoughts on Lil Uzi?

Also if you're looking for someone whose got those good memes...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't like that slot

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin

Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin

could

be theatering?

Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game

Did you even bother to read the maths involved? Not only was it math but it was also telling a narrative that explains exactly how that shit wasn't scum theatre.


I mean you have a 0.006475% chance of being right and you're not going to get lucky.

Also RVS left a long time ago, don't know where you've been.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Ali, I'm talking about SSBM's slot

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I mean you have a 0.006475% chance of being right and you're not going to get lucky.

You're still saying it's a chance tho
Not a chance I believe in, but a chance.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I just realized we have to sift through 19 players worth of posts.

@Pine, The maths involved is based on the probability of a sequence of events that would give the desired result.

I'm kinda tired of arguing about the maths about it and it's becoming a waste of time for me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah no shit.

How about them

Yankees

Creaturescum?

If he doesn't do shit D2 and most of D1 then I'm putting my vote on him.

aww, but you were so excited to do them ;~;

Realizing it's noise and scum can hide behind it while I argue frivolous shit.

Should I give reads now?

Do what you want, just don't ask for town cred

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

IM DONE ARGUING IT. IT'S NOISE AT THIS POINT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I realized that continued discussion of it means people can argue maths like they do semantics and not actually scum hunt.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You walk into a 19 player game and complain about having to read 7 pages?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Votecount 1.01

Alisae (2)

Dunnstral , ssbm_Kyouko ,

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

Alisae ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2)

All Alone , Debi ,

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

Zachstralkita ,

Creature (3)

Lil Uzi Vert , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Pine ,

Wraith (2)

Ircher , EchoVision ,

Debi (1)

Wraith ,

Not Voting (7)

rb , Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , Human Sequencer , -Grey- , SlickDilinger , Creature ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

Mod note: Since I track votes in excel, I usually provide vote counts with links in them. It's a bit unusual compared to most mods, but I consider it a nice service for players. Sometimes I'll phone/ipad post a VC or the like and you won't get links, but usually you will.

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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YOU VOTE COUNT JUST LIKE I DO AND I LOVE IT <3


Also I'm willing to pitch in my vote to Wraith, I don't see how one can come to the conclusion that because one might be scum, that they'd know that the exact amount of other scum and someone did bring up the point about 9 scum being a D1 LYLO. Really an opportunistic push.

VOTE: wraith

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Quick Question: How does one know there is a 3rd faction without a flip or host telling us otherwise?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can't help but think of Camn

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can't help but think of Camn

You think he acts like Camn?

Flashbacks to the hungergames.

boohoo someone discredited something i said even tho the thing i said was rly dum

You're sassy and I love you so much for it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae, just wait for 4 hours to pass, if he still has a raging "murdercock" after 4 hours then it's concerning and we can try to help him.

With that, I'll talk to ya'll again when the Gators win the Outback Bowl!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

rb I can't sleep, yell at me so I can cry myself to sleep

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

On a rare occasion, I have to look at other dudes' painfully swollen dicks in my capacity as a professional EMT. Priapism.

I am so sorry.

Congrats, you just shot a townie if that's real.

/me throws confetti

This feels really artificial. When I thought I got shot, my heart dropped and was dumbfounded. With Alisae showing strong emotions like the cry faces and stop "budding me," I'd expect more of a brash response but this feels forced.

I'm just waiting for Grey to get in here so that the real entertainment can start.
This party don't start without fuckin Grey around.

Twelve pages in eight hours. Wtf you lot?

BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Looks like scum theater.

Nah, I doubt this. I'm TRing Pine for that fake dayvig (assuming it is fake).

Why wouldn't scum fake a vig shot?

The entire town is filled with thespians with how much "scum theatre" there has been.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

rb, do as I do;

VOTE: Alisae

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can you do me a favor and start talking about the game instead of talking about out of game shit?

I don't give a single fuck about your animes or your social life, fucking do something.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Ali

Can you do me a favor and start talking about the game instead of talking about out of game shit?

I don't give a single fuck about your animes or your social life, fucking do something.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can you do me a favor and start talking about the game instead of talking about out of game shit?

My entire ISO isn't just about out of game shit. You're blowing it out of porpotion. And I gave my stances of things when I needed to.

"when I needed to" translates into I do what I can to scrape by and then fluff to avoid actual scum hunting.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Ali, I read your ISO, 70% fluff, 20% questions and 10% fence sitting.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You just bitched about not having anything to defend and now I call you out for not actually contributing and you say "cool," instead of literally doing anything pro-active?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Give me posts where you scum hunted

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What a great wall, Trump approves but what posts were actually scum hunting?

Literally reading them I noticed you only said people were town or they seemed town. When you find no one scummy that's sus as fuck.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Ali, I read your ISO, 70% fluff, 20% questions and 10% fence sitting.

haha randomly generated percentages r kewll!!!!!

TOTES BREWSKI!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?

it's you, alisae is your scumbuddy

Can you do me a favor and write "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" in big and bold so I can quote it for post game?

I'd also love to see how you make these connections

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The problem is that your reads on Dunn and Ircher don't make me think that's the case. Mostly Ircher.

For giving Ircher a gut read, and Dunn a scumread, who needs more time and legit has no content.

I think he does not have enough content to provide a decent read, ergo scum.

Logic leap

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SEMANTICS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

A man posting spiderman memes is so obv town we don't even need to question his motives.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?

it's you, alisae is your scumbuddy

Can you do me a favor and write "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" in big and bold so I can quote it for post game?

I'd also love to see how you make these connections

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?

it's you, alisae is your scumbuddy

Can you do me a favor and write "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" in big and bold so I can quote it for post game?

I'd also love to see how you make these connections

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

hey baby doll(rb), you ever going to say how I'm scum/connected to Alisae?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He's trying to have the biggest dick and swinging town to his decisions without question. If I'm lynched(or killed), that's one less active voice and he can start doing as he pleases.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also if he knows you're town, the way it's set up is that you can be an easy mislynch to frame later in the game so he wants ya kept around.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: RB

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If you follow my train of thought you'd realize it's not OMGUS

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

hey baby doll(rb), you ever going to say how I'm scum/connected to Alisae?

Literally will not answer as to why either of us are scum, he is just pushing a lynch, although doing it in a loud manner, it does not equate to him giving an actual scum read or as to why.

P-Edit: Asked it multiple times and he's posted after I asked the question 3 times in a row. I'm not fucking dropping it thinking I'll let him get away with pushing lynches with no basis.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Lol Uzi, you mean the fact that he ignores the discussion afterwards where Debi admitted to making a mistake reading it? Surely if rb was reading all that, he would have continued to read how there wasn't any basis there.

Yeah he's full of shit.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

hey baby doll(rb), you ever going to say how I'm scum/connected to Alisae?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Creats, fuck off and have fun with your conversation with HS.

I'll answer any questions you have after you're done with HS but I'm not giving you an outlet to escape that convo because I personally like the content coming out of it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

town lean on both, only reason I thought Creats was scum was the fact that he said he was going to lurk, right now he isn't and I'm leaving for the Outback Bowl so I can't honestly spend a lot of time giving a deeper read, as of now though, town leans.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

hey baby doll(rb), you ever going to say how I'm scum/connected to Alisae?

What's this? The 7th time now?

ALSO GO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: RB

Flashwagon pls

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Why is Gamma your top scum read currently? What are you trying to accomplish here voting an inactive slot?

I was seeing if I could attract a reaction out of him to see if he was lurking. No real meaning to it although I don't like how we got PMs about game start yet he's not here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST ALISAE

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Make a case against Pine!scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Looks like scum theater.

Nah, I doubt this. I'm TRing Pine for that fake dayvig (assuming it is fake).

Good points Pine!
VOTE: Creature

Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin

Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin

could

be theatering?

Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game

I doubt the possiblility of it being scum theatre. I townread Pine for the vake dayvig, and I am liking Gin so far, he seems genuine.

Should I give reads now?

Why are you asking for permission? Just do it if that's your thing.

Am I not allowed to ask if people care about my stance on the game?

Pine and Gin are my stronger townreads.
Uzi is probably town
Zach gun to my head town
Wraith townlean
Ircher townlean
Debi Null
Dunn scumlean
Creature Scum
Kyouko Scum

Anyone else null

And alright rb, even if it is dumb, it's not like to changes my TR on Pine.

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

Me catching up Gin. BTW Nice tie.

Scum joined my wagon. Cool.

I'm starting to see what's up with rb, but I really feel like Pine is scum. Like, I really just don't like how Pine basicly sheeped rb.

TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE TOWN PINE

SENPINE WANTS ME DEAD, HE NO LONGER SENPINE HE SCUM.

We have a thing for what you call thinking someone is scum because they want you lynched (It's OMGUS)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Where is the confusion? It was fucking lurker bait lol

Sure you can "say" he was a scum read of mine but I would LOVE for you to show me the posts by Gamma that would allow me to even attempt a scum read; OH WAIT.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What do you mean by it works both ways?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The difference here is that he's under the Burden of Proof because Uzi SAID I scum read Gamma, ergo he made it a one way street. Either way not posting is NAI but I was hunting a lurker, nothing is fucking wrong with that as it was a method to try and further figure out the remain slots. Although, you said it yourself your scum hunting sucks so I couldn't possibly expect you to understand something as simple as that.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, what is it about Gamma that makes you want to defend him?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, what is it about Gamma that makes you want to defend him?

Just realized you have no actual basis to defend Gamma's slot when there isn't anything AI in the thread to show otherwise.

So, what do you know that I dont?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

With that said, I don't like Gin's vote on Gamma either.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Opportunistic? You're struggling on this framing aren't you? Please, tell me where the wagon that formed on Gamma was? Please tell me how I voted to join a Gamma wagon subtly? Please tell me how the fuck the was opportunistic?

Also please tell me what my logic was that you don't like? The only thing done on my part is "Let's see if I can startle a scum into reacting to my vote while they lurk." Now don't twist my words when I said the words scum, what I'm saying is explaining how a reaction test works. If Gamma popped up his head soon after I voted him, then boom I caught a lurker scum.

As of right now, he'll more than likely be prodded ergo all that was NAI.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He reminds me of someone in the HR department at one of those "team building exercise days"

flash wagon?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It'd be better if you explained why your reads are the way they are, as for me, I'm gonna take tonight to clear my thoughts and form solid reads.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That spam tho, here's a tip, spoiler tags to condense your post to save room and the spoilers help you keep your thoughts organized in one whole post instead of having to do a monologue for a page worth.

When I get home from work, my reads and thoughts will show what I mean.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

Not talking in thread till I'm home tonight but innocent claim

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: SSBM

I like this vote, explanations and reads coming soon to a thread near you!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Spoiler: #drunkposting

Sorry not sorry for what I post

rb

Spoiler: Arby's

My new boo buddy. He's an innocent child although that mind isn't.

Alisae

Spoiler: To Alisae or not to Alisae

Alisae
I'm actually going to say town, on multiple websites she admits to being a shit town and bad at hunting, in the basis that she asks questions about what she thinks is sus makes sense to me but I don't like her relationship to Creature, they almost seem to have the same mindset or like to back each other.

Another thing that's got me a tickled town read is the fact that she voted me for saying scum have day chat. Just that entire interaction screamed town to me reading back.

Creature

Spoiler: The Thing

So far, he's been posting a lot and I see actual effort by him, going off of him hating scum, I'm almost willing to promise a town read here, that or he'll flake at the end and we'll know.

Wraith

Spoiler: Ye' of little Wraith

Wraith I'm liking after he did that one big post, I saw genuine scum hunting when analyzing the entire thread up to that point and that's why he's got a town read

Zachstralkita

Spoiler: Zach

Overall I like Zach, at first his posting was kinda weak but he's been showing he doesn't care about anyone, he's gonna do his thing and he isn't submissive either which I like.

-Grey-

Spoiler: 50 shades of Grey

Grey, I'm going to go with a town lean here. He's been active in the thread asking questions and pointing out illogical cases; overall his actions are justified

Debi

Spoiler: Debi Downer

When you dissect her posts(wall posts), she is pointing out logical inconsistencies and her reasoning is sound, ergo town lean

Lil Uzi Vert

Spoiler: Lucy fur

I'm town leaning to null with Lil Uzi, so far he's been posting good thoughts and I get a good gut feeling about him

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Gamma Zeta Alpha

BOY NEEDS TO POSTTTTTTT. Quasi feeling like it was scum slot flake considering he's posted in other games and not this one but null ultimately because of no posts

SlickDilinger

Spoiler: Mr Slick

Slick seriously needs to start posting cuz he's null with two posts and that's not helpful at all

drealmerz7

Spoiler: The Grim Drealmerz

Null but scum lean because of the opening LAMIST post

EchoVision

Spoiler: Echo Echoooo Echooooooooooooooooooo

I'm giving a scum lean. So far I've seen him have a joking manner but I get a bad vibe from it, like he's trying to hide behind the humour and his general diction. Only town thing I'm seeing from him is his vote for Wraith

Dunnstral

Spoiler: Dunn DA DA DA DUNNNNNNNN

Dunn so far he's in the middle of leaning scum and null. Reading through his posts, I'm not seeing him be aggressive with any of his scum reads and whenever he says someone is or isn't town, he's not giving any explanation as to why that slot is actually town.

Spoiler: Home Alone

All Alone is more than likely scum, 5 out of 7 posts are literal naked votes, no actual discussion coming from that slot except being a sheep. Also that last post capitalizing ITS PISSING ME OFF, reads fake as hell. If you honestly expect to have everything laid out D1 and easy, especially in a large, you're delusional or frustrated noob but that slots been alive for a year and half so I see it as a fake reaction. No reason an experienced player would think it would be easy.

ssbm_Kyouko

Spoiler: BDSM Tokyo

Post 178 got me fucked up with her saying she doesn't think it was scum theatre but then accuses Alisae of not thinking it could be scum theatre.
Post 368, she votes Alisae because she is asking people about what they think instead of interrogating them(which is asking them what they think).

Also in post 355, she says things dont look good regarding Alisae because she didn't try to defend me but the kicker is that she doesn't vote Alisae until more people voted her and decided to join the wagon at post 368.

Overall, she said she looked scummy but saw the opportunity to push the lynch on her closer so she thought it would be best to hop on at that point and blend in.

post 819 is one of the weakest cases to vote someone. If it wasn't clear, I was requesting a flashwagon on RB because I love to use people's words against them. @Post 694, RB says he's going to game solve before D1 ends and he'd be town as fuck, at this point a thought occurred to me that RB has been doing every single he's done in his own twisted scum hunting so I'd at least be willing to see where it takes me if I followed the little shit.

post 890, it's a vote against Pine and quite honestly, she doesn't ever mention Pine's name besides the scum theatre incident where she doesn't believe it was scum theatre. During this time around this vote, I noticed multiple votes go onto Pine, her reasoning of Pine buddying rb to protect me is a stretch and she didn't even show where it was done. I read it as just a quick reason to vote and hope on the newest trendy vote.

The last post I'm concerned about is post 930 where she all throughout the post she talks about Ircher and I being scum and how Ircher is scum and gives thought to it but says fuck that, I'll keep a vote on Pine when I haven't given reasoning or quotes as to how my read is actually a solid one.

Ircher

Spoiler: Windows Ircher 2008

I'm waiting on Ircher to make a reads list, after that I'll judge him

Pine

Spoiler: Senpine

I'm very paranoid about this slot but I can confidently trust my gut when I think he's scum. I learned not to second guess myself with him after having back to back games with him as scum. Honestly right now I haven't picked up any bad vibes from him. The only thing I don't like about this slot is his post about activity as I almost always see it as an excuse for a scum to make a "good post" trying to better the game when in reality it doesn't do anything except for shoot for brownie points.

Human Sequencer

Spoiler: My Name is Human

I'll update this read tomorrow night but it's 1am for me and I seriously need sleep for work and I'm tired of writing this post. As of right now, I'm getting the feeling that Human isn't trying his hardest. It's like he knows what he does as town but his efforts are lacking the strength they usually have.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What you need you fam?

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The top are town, the middle is nulls and the bottom is the scummers

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Eventually I think I'll be able to add posts as to where my town reads come from, but yeah, I promised a reads list at work and ended up spending the night getting drunk at my girls house but I promised a reads list but it won't be renovated until like Thursday or Friday because honestly time is difficult for me during the weekdays.

Also with D1, you have around 12-15 players be at least town so honestly, D1 I give away town reads like candy. I go after those final few that grind my gears in the thread and I'm usually right from there.

If AA was a good player, or town, he'd be able to deduce that I thought Alisae was town after I "reread." Ya know, the part where I said I reread it.

I'm headin to work, i'll post more when I'm there

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Mini GTKAS:
18, currently in 3rd year of college as in going for my bachelors, moved out and currently working full time at a laboratory until the semester hits.

My favorite drink is Gin and Tonic, I love chemistry, my girl, and mind games in that order.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

One thing I'm self aware about is that I'm usually scummy as fuck in the beginning of games no matter what. I'm going through the ISO of Pine and he calls me his strongest town read but he never stated why. I'm curious as to what about my usually scummy as fuck play screamed town to him so much to declare me INNO from the start.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So are we changing our wagon again? god damn xD

I like the thought of an echo wagon

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like the thought because we can see who does and doesn't support it. If we don't end up liking it we go back to AA.

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Besides him being a scum read to me, I'd like it also for a VCA when it matters in end game

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VOTE: Gamma

He needs to at least post once and appreciate drunk me's puns

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If AA was a good player, or town, he'd be able to deduce that I thought Alisae was town after I "reread." Ya know, the part where I said I reread it.

This is

exactly

the kind of non-answer I give out when I'm scum and someone catches me giving a bogus read.

Like, YES, obviously I saw the "reread". No duh, Clouseau. But there's still a clear incongruity there:

1) Gin reads the interaction the first time
2) Gin decides Alisae is scummy
3) Gin rereads the interaction
4) ?????
5) NOPE HE'S TOWN NOW

I think if Gin was town, he would have explained step 4 here. When townies backwalk their scumreads, they're usually really, really open about it. What changed? Why? There's not really a good reason to go into teeth-pull mode here, if it's a legitimate reread. But if Gin didn't legitimately reread Alisae, and there is no legitimate step 4, then the best he can do is point to step 3 again and act like that puts him above suspicion. Which is exactly what he did here.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, let's wake this up because he posts elsewhere.

VOTE: Gamma

He needs to at least post once and appreciate drunk me's puns

Hi, look at how much I'm helping out the town, by pressure voting someone who's not even aware the thread exists

Green Gem Man's clearly forgotten about this game, seeing how he's already in prod range, and when he gets the prod he'll either post or replace out. These votes won't make any difference. If you'd instead voted me, or drealmerz, or SlickDilinger, it would at least be on somebody who'll read it and react to it. But this? This is just a lazy and useless way to look protown.

PEDIT: lol told you

It might be Friday or Saturday, whichever day I actually have free time off work but weekdays I'll admit my content will most likely always be shit. Not gonna stop me from at least making sure I catch up before sleeping.

As for step 4, keep this as a post promise and I'll explain it to you when I can, any other reads and I'll be happy to divulge in but for now, it's my little secret I have to keep.

Although I do have questions about you talking about Gamma.

First off you said he was Green, how do you know his slot is green? There should be no actual basis for you to have any read on him, granted I know the counter argument is that I voted for him when he didn't post anything but honestly, mine is justifiable in consideration that:
1) We got a role PM with game thread attached
2) WE HAD TO CONFIRM OUR ROLE via PM
3) We got a PM saying the game started-

scratch all that, he's back to NAI. I was going to make point 4 be how he was on when the game started but he was gone from Dec 31st to the 2nd of Jan and the game started the 1st.

Regardless, I still want to ask you how you got a green read on gamma?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

While you're at it, don't forget why you decided to just naked vote throughout the game. Make sure to not accuse me of not explaining my reads as clear and concise as we want them to be when you literally offer no actual explanation as to why you vote, or unvote.

Second!

VOTE: Creature

VOTE: Gin

VOTE: rb

I agree with zachstralkita

there

there's my opinion on rb

try and analyze it

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ircher

UNVOTE:

good lord people can we all stop doing "reaction tests" forever

because now I, for the third fuckin time since I woke up today, have to figure out where I want my vote, AND IT'S PISSING ME OFF

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Last question for AA for the night.

Why is it that the only player you've commented on is myself?

You can say this is a tactic trying to get you to focus on other players but me but I only find it scum motivated to target one player and not talk about literally anyone else.



Last thing that struck my mind is were you trying to add emphasis to your scum read on me. You said I think THE GIN AND TONIC is scum.

You've correctly addressed me as Gin (which I prefer thank you) when you first voted me and then when you explain your reads you say it correctly so you saying that was deliberate. I believe it to be a subliminal trick to make anyone that reads it think your post has a higher level of importance; because we you all cap something and the rest is normal, it sticks out like a sore thumb. When you conclude soon after the attention grabber by saying scum, it makes the readers mind read everything in a pretense of scum being the correct answer and it allows the accuser to sway the opinion using subtly.

Of course all that wouldn't have been an issue and would have ignored this if this was a normal behavioral pattern for you but when you don't do anything in the thread, you leave me with the only option of interpreting the evidence in question as the way I see it and because of your lack of action in this thread, I can't check for consistency.

Quite honestly, if you're town, start pumping in work to this thread because you're not helping anyone here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

First off you said he was Green, how do you know his slot is green? There should be no actual basis for you to have any read on him, granted I know the counter argument is that I voted for him when he didn't post anything but honestly, mine is justifiable in consideration that:
1) We got a role PM with game thread attached
2) WE HAD TO CONFIRM OUR ROLE via PM
3) We got a PM saying the game started-

scratch all that, he's back to NAI. I was going to make point 4 be how he was on when the game started but he was gone from Dec 31st to the 2nd of Jan and the game started the 1st.

Regardless, I still want to ask you how you got a green read on gamma?

Damn, that's a detective-ass question. I'm reading this question and I can immediately sense that you're wearing a deerstalker. You are undoubtedly awaiting my reply with magnifying glass in hand. Your sidekick wants to help you out, but valiantly respects the prohibition of hydras in normal. Your pipe is packed. With cocaine, naturally.

But despite the many similarities between you and Sherlock Holmes, there's one huge advantage you hold over him, and that's access to image search. I want you go to your favorite image search and type in "emerald", and see if you can't solve the mystery as to why I referred to Gamma Emerald as "Green Gem Man".

I want to cry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Last question for AA for the night.

Why is it that the only player you've commented on is myself?

You can say this is a tactic trying to get you to focus on other players but me but I only find it scum motivated to target one player and not talk about literally anyone else.

because I don't care about the other slots right now

Last thing that struck my mind is were you trying to add emphasis to your scum read on me. You said I think THE GIN AND TONIC is scum.

You've correctly addressed me as Gin (which I prefer thank you) when you first voted me and then when you explain your reads you say it correctly so you saying that was deliberate. I believe it to be a subliminal trick to make anyone that reads it think your post has a higher level of importance; because we you all cap something and the rest is normal, it sticks out like a sore thumb. When you conclude soon after the attention grabber by saying scum, it makes the readers mind read everything in a pretense of scum being the correct answer and it allows the accuser to sway the opinion using subtly.

Okay, first of all, I write the introduction to my post in the style of Kain Tepes and your conclusion is that I'm going for

subtlety

? Uhhhhh.... you might be a little bit off there.

And, honestly, wtf is the point of this? Are you seriously suggesting that caps lock is a manipulative scum tell? I feel like you're just arguing for the sake of it, and I really don't see the town motive for making stupid ass points like this.

Why don't you care about anyone else? I would love your reads on the town, if you have any.

Word choice and sentence structure is actually really revealing but I can't do huge analysis of a persons ISO until we've had multiple flips.

If I'm being honest, I feel like I'm starting to tunnel you and Im actually going to agree that any further arguing is arguing for the sake of it. Sorry not sorry but I can't get a full read on you based on your opinion of just one player

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Actually feel like Grey has been a little quiet which I find odd, its that or I haven't paid much attention to him.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm just waiting for Grey to get in here so that the real entertainment can start.
This party don't start without fuckin Grey around.

THAT'S MY BOY!



Sorry Creats, you're gonna have to contribute as your scum tell is literally flaking as scum.

VOTE: Creature

How do you know this

Keep reading

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine get in this thread, you're the only EMT I know and Gamma needs a serious blood transfusion for how much town he's bleeding.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like walls when they have spoiler tags, then it makes me happy because everything is neat and my OCD is happy.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Thanks for the prod reminder, I’m here.

Only been trying to watch things unfold.

Within this space it seems like there are already lots of strong personalities scum-hunting,

so I don’t want to get in the way.

Not planning to change my vote until I’m more confident about it; I like drealmerz7’s work based on seeing more of his analysis and posts, but I don’t often have strong reads during day ones.

Do you expect me to not vote this?

VOTE: Slick

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

DAMNIT WHY DIDN'T I CALL HIM SLICK RICK

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post 1160 through post 1163 is nothing short of a joke in this stage.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

*coughs* wait till the weekend like I said because I can't produce quality being tired every day after work, like I said *coughs*

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post 1160 through post 1163 is nothing short of a joke in this stage.

No, your fake townposting can no longer be hidden.

Expand on this

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have literally no idea what you mean by that

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You are literally being asinine if you can't propel your argument forward when asked a simple question.

Grow the fuck up and stop thinking people are mind readers and give context so people can actually follow what you're thinking.

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You are literally being asinine if you can't propel your argument forward when asked a simple question.

Grow the fuck up and stop thinking people are mind readers and give context so people can actually follow what you're thinking.

I've ignored your slot because I saw you and Pine as opposing forces and was against Pine, but that's pretty narrow-minded.

Actually analyzing you leads to the conclusion that you don't really care to find scum.

If we refer to when you start making votes, it really sucks. You mention Wraith in #241 with a vote, label his push opportunistic, but do not do anything else with it.

Interestingly enough, you don't really interact with Wraith after that. But his posts must have been good, because you've changed your stance to a townread as of late. I should think you'd have.. one or two direct interactions with him between point A and point B... but none at all. "I like [x player]" is really convenient. Really, really convenient.

Your next vote is on Alisae. I've illustrated prior why this wagon is shit and I can take all the things that I said about Pine and rb and apply them to your push without doing unnecessary leg work here.

However your presence on this wagon is important because of its dynamic.

You have your town pushing Alisae because he's lynchbait. You have sensible people defending Alisae because we can see he's lynchbait. You have those who are uncertain. You have those who say we can do without him. Then you have the scum who can just as easily join the wagon and not be differentiated from town because the arguments to lynch said lynchbait are the same simple bullshit reasons, but if you say them with enough conviction like you do, no one is going to look at you twice. Town is easily distracted. They've other shiny things they can focus their attention on.

However looking at your arguments with him, you've managed to craftily misrepresent everything he says in response to you to make him look bad, when all this tells us is you don't care about new information because you have a fixed read or because it doesn't matter to you because all you need is something to push.

Your votes change and stuff and ...eh.. I'm inclined to agree with AA about your reads.

Speaking of AA, your approach to him was entirely plastic.

If I'm being honest, I feel like I'm starting to tunnel you and Im actually going to agree that any further arguing is arguing for the sake of it. Sorry not sorry but I can't get a full read on you based on your opinion of just one player

But somehow you can get a scumread on Slick based on his opinion of.... no players...? Your vote there was terrible. Your vote's still there. It's terrible. This statement is as well.

Anyone can ask questions. Scum does it a lot. It doesn't really mean anything because there's always something to ask about.

All your scumhunting has been the jack of all trades, master of none sort. It takes up space, looks good, but at large accomplishes nothing and town can siphon nothing from your efforts because it's all for show.


When pushed by or negatively engaged with anyone, you turn to a hardass as if you can strong-arm your way out of every conceivable situation. It can only take you so far.

If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument. Nice paragraph but it crumbles if you're accusing me of still pushing her.


The difference between AA and Slick is quite simple. One is putting in leg work and AA's arguments are justifiable while Slick has admitted to not wanting to contribute or put in his input. That's a scum claim in my book.

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If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument. Nice paragraph but it crumbles if you're accusing me of still pushing her.

Not remotely what I said at all, can't fault you for trying though.

You have your town pushing Alisae because he's lynchbait. You have sensible people defending Alisae because we can see he's lynchbait. You have those who are uncertain. You have those who say we can do without him. Then you have the scum who can just as easily join the wagon and not be differentiated from town because the arguments to lynch said lynchbait are the same simple bullshit reasons,

but if you say them with enough conviction like you do

, no one is going to look at you twice. Town is easily distracted. They've other shiny things they can focus their attention on.

You just accused me here. Also tell me this, why would I 180 my read on Alisae when she's easy to lynch if I was scum? the best way I can get you to understand my read on Alisae is to think of Creeps from the Hunger Games.

What is the benefit, as scum, does one get from defending such an easy lynch?

The difference between AA and Slick is quite simple. One is putting in leg work and AA's arguments are justifiable while Slick has admitted to not wanting to contribute or put in his input. That's a scum claim in my book.

Misrep. You have simply taken Slick's 1065 and made it fit your narrative.

When you say he's admitted to "not wanting to contribute or put in his input" you've conveniently left out the part where he says he's absent because he feels there are stronger personalities scum hunting.

It's a misrep of his intentions. We have no way of knowing if they're malicious or not but you've portrayed them as such by default, which is a simple generalization.

Thanks for the prod reminder, I’m here.

Only been trying to watch things unfold.

Within this space it seems like there are already lots of strong personalities scum-hunting,

so I don’t want to get in the way.

Not planning to change my vote until I’m more confident about it; I like drealmerz7’s work based on seeing more of his analysis and posts, but I don’t often have strong reads during day ones.

Do you expect me to not vote this?

VOTE: Slick

Please defend a town!Slick saying the bolded. You have a huge problem with me with the bolded:

All your scumhunting

has been the jack of all trades, master of none sort. It takes up space, looks good, but at large

accomplishes nothing

and

town can siphon nothing from your efforts

because it's all for show.

So if you have a problem with a player not accomplishing anything, then it would be hypocritical to say Slick was town for doing nothing.

It would again be hypocritical to say you're voting me because town can get nothing from my posts but not accuse Slick of not having anything "town can siphon from [his] efforts"

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Actually, I really love this question. Tell me the scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute?

Also tell me the pro-town agenda with allowing lurkers to continue playing throughout the game?

Let me tell you exactly why, as scum, lurkers are your best friend. It's because those slots don't do anything, and when it gets close to the middle-end game, you can easily slam lurkers for mislynches because they just don't defend well or slow play to hide under the radar while TvT argue all game.

The best strategy in a large is to kill the loudest voices and leave the quietest alive. When town is full of quiet people, the scum voice is strong and town won't be able to communicate effectively to figure out the truth and bam you have a win.

I honestly don't see any logical reasoning as to the benefit of allowing people to just be part of the game and spectate. You give them a free pass because they don't contribute and that's just horse shit reasoning for any defense on a player.

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If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument. Nice paragraph but it crumbles if you're accusing me of still pushing her.

Not remotely what I said at all, can't fault you for trying though.

You have your town pushing Alisae because he's lynchbait. You have sensible people defending Alisae because we can see he's lynchbait. You have those who are uncertain. You have those who say we can do without him. Then you have the scum who can just as easily join the wagon and not be differentiated from town because the arguments to lynch said lynchbait are the same simple bullshit reasons,

but if you say them with enough conviction like you do

, no one is going to look at you twice. Town is easily distracted. They've other shiny things they can focus their attention on.

You just accused me here. Also tell me this, why would I 180 my read on Alisae when she's easy to lynch if I was scum? the best way I can get you to understand my read on Alisae is to think of Creeps from the Hunger Games.

What is the benefit, as scum, does one get from defending such an easy lynch?

No, you said I accused you of still pushing an Alisae lynch.


And I did not do that. I talked about your votes and when I talked about the Alisae vote I talked about the Alisae wagon.

I've already answered your second question. Town defend lynches like that the same way. It's simple.

So lets look at that wagon some more. The VC said there was 4/10 votes on Alisae, I was the 5th vote on it and I was actually the catalyst of pushing that lynch further and I had a lot of discussion with Alisae, in fact I was the main one arguing with her. Didn't "try to blend in there" Also I've only voted Alisae once and that vote lasted a little more than 2-3 hours. Now, if I stayed on that wagon for a long time, that wagon analysis would have made sense with my presence on it with me just place holding my vote on her but it didn't last for anything. That's the real dynamic of it.

When you say he's admitted to "not wanting to contribute or put in his input" you've conveniently left out the part where he says he's absent because he feels there are stronger personalities scum hunting.

It's a misrep of his intentions. We have no way of knowing if they're malicious or not but you've portrayed them as such by default, which is a simple generalization.

Please defend a town!Slick saying the bolded. You have a huge problem with me with the bolded:

All your scumhunting

has been the jack of all trades, master of none sort. It takes up space, looks good, but at large

accomplishes nothing

and

town can siphon nothing from your efforts

because it's all for show.

So if you have a problem with a player not accomplishing anything, then it would be hypocritical to say Slick was town for doing nothing.

It would again be hypocritical to say you're voting me because town can get nothing from my posts but not accuse Slick of not having anything "town can siphon from [his] efforts"

It's very disingenuous to imply that I should be applying the same argument to that slot as I am to yours. Anyone can see why.

The only purpose it serves you to do something like that is to detract from my argument and not actually address it, which is what you've attempted to do here.

For one, I'm fine with him lurking at the moment because I don't believe he intends to cause harm and we have bigger fish to fry. There's no real reason for me to have to judge his slot the same as your slot considering the stark differences both of you have and the way the gamestate has progressed.

A lurker lynch Day 1 of all places is piss poor. We have so much more shit to go off of.

You're only using this as a pivotal point of your argument because you're trying to discredit me.

what the fuck is your argument if it's not that you think my vote on Slick was scum motivated?

Actually, I really love this question. Tell me the scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute?

Didn't say there was scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute.

There's scum motivation in you taking what Slick said and grossly misrepresenting it then jumping to an argument about my reasoning.
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Before I answer this and you just pass it off as a misrep, I'm going to make sure you give me a confirmation that it's what the fuck you think.

Are you saying that I had scum motivation to vote a slot because they didn't want to contribute and then I jumped into an argument about your reasoning(What reasoning are you referring to)?

Also tell me the pro-town agenda with allowing lurkers to continue playing throughout the game?

This game is barely off the ground. There's no need to discuss this far into the future. All you're really doing is running around.

The rest of your post has no merit. I didn't make any catch-all statements about lurkers. I'm talking about one person specifically and the circumstances surrounding him.

You're trying to simplify and broaden my argument in the hopes that people reading won't see you talking about things that I'm not saying at all.

Failure to plan is planning for failure mate, remember the random midget lynch? That's exactly why I hate lurkers as town because they're so easy late game. I'd rather slots turn from non-lurkers into active ones so we have opinions to go off of.


I'm going to go off this argument chain because I think we are arguing two different things.

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I've shown a consistent theme of voting lurkers until they contribute for the main purpose that I can gain reads on them.

First Creature, bam now he's hella active and I stopped pushing it.

Second Gamma IIRC and once he's started posting, I felt better about his slot.

Now I'm at Slick and once he starts posting, I'll be able to get a read on him and go further from there.

The difference between you and I's ideologies might be the fact that you're focused on a select group of people and I prefer having information about every slot even if it's just D1.

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RB has yet to present a case so even if he's IC I can give fuck all what he thinks. Being IC doesn't make you god and it doesn't mean I have to kiss his ass.

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I vote creature for saying he will lurk till D3 and Zach doesn't say a word.

I vote Gamma because he hasn't posted at all in the game and Zach doesn't say a word at all.

I vote AA and he doesn't say anything at all.

I vote Slick and now I deserve a vote. I'm quoting this post in twilight if I do end up being D1's lynch because I swear to god if that ain't a possibility for a chainsaw then I'm sorry but I don't know what it.

I don't find there to be any consistency to accuse me of scum when I voted a lurker and haven't said anything about the other lurkers I have voted at the time I did it.

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Oh and before it's said, I'm not willing to push a chainsaw until there is a flip on either of you, otherwise the tell is almost always NAI.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Human, it's impossible for it to express dishonesty. It would be dishonest to say I didn't care about RB's thoughts on me but also ask him over and over about his case, after he was confirmed mind you. I was only on his ass asking about his case because I didn't know his alignment and thought he was scum pushing a quicklynch with no basis.

Also there isn't actually any point in arguing with an IC, he's confirmed so why would he start arguments with one player. In general it's best he lets the rest of the players argue as that lets the argument help indicate the alignment of two in question, otherwise it's a one-sided battle and you can't get much information of it.

I do have to ask why it's scummy to ignore a player, who you know is town, and scum reads you but hasn't said anything damning about you? If anything I'd say it would have been scummy to try and appease RB and try to make him like me after being on his ass instead of vice versa.

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zach is town, rb is town, and they're both pretty on-ball. gin himself is getting looked at right now

Ummm, when was Zach confirmed town?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Zachstralkita - literally nothing

This is what your entire ISO had to say about Zach, so what do you know that I dont?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I refuse to talk about ongoing games and I hate that because I can't defend an accusation based on an ongoing game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hate this

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It just feels so fake and forced coming from you, believe me there is so much I want to say but I'm trying my hardest to not bias my thoughts and just think about this game.

It just doesn't feel like a genuine accusation to say someone is scum based off of what you perceive as their town or what you think is fake or not. Like reading emotions off of text is based purely out of PoV and I just don't get how you're willing to vote me if the crux of it is saying I sound fake.

I mean I'm getting confused as hell by these votes.

The ones that make sense are Zach, he's made it clear he isn't having my shit and we've argued about it, but then there is Alisae who got me fucked up right now due to me being one of her stronger TRs and then votes me with ease. Right now Human, the problem I have with your vote is as explained above. Another vote that I think is town motivated is AA because when he did push me, he did it logically and I could see that from his perspective, what I was doing looked scummy.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well if you think I'm scum because of my town then you don't have a solid grasp on my personality lmfao.

The only way to convince you that you're wrong at this point is when I flip green this game. I literally can't defend if your conf!biased that my emotions are scum motivated.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Case in point, I explained why I no longer cared about RB and that was your main point in saying I sounded fake but that didn't matter to you, you thought it sounded fake as well.

This proves my point that you don't care, you're just saying whatever I say is fake.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

DID I OR DID I NOT FUCKING EXPLAIN WHY I NO LONGER CARED ABOUT RB WHICH IS EXPLAINING WHY I CHANGED MY OPINON ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The tone as content are not mutually exclusive. You can't have one without the other.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tone and content*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Saying that you thought my quote was dishonest meant you thought I was lying. Unless the word dishonest has a new definition to what it means, I don't see how you could use that word and say you weren't calling me a liar.

Therefore I spent the time to express to you how me not caring about RB wasn't a lie.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

See, that explanation checks out perfectly. Now try and understand why I'm scumreading you for not picking up on that earlier. If you posted that a few posts ago (as opposed to writing me off as confbiased), we wouldn't be at such an impasse.

This feels like a loaded statement from my perspective because it seems like you're asking me to say why people should think I'm scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Sleep well dear Skelator

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

At this point it's a game, if RB reads me as town, I win, and he knows that.


A serious answer is that you're mainly a very serious person and when you say something, I treat you with the respect that you give me. In the case with you, actually trying to rationalize a situation can actually propel the game forward; with RB, he's a living breathing meme. It's actually a lot harder than you think having a conversation with a meme.

P-Edit: I get what you're saying and about the misunderstanding, thus why I didn't try to accuse you of saying the loaded question was scum motivated, but to make sure we are both on the same page before we go neck and neck again and realize something was a misunderstanding.

Form my perspective, I started the argument at the beginning because I thought you were calling me a liar and then once you said you were talking about emotions it went into a downward spiral until you quoted yourself talking about the tone and content thing and at that point, it made me think that their was a misunderstanding in what you and I were both arguing about so I established what I thought was wrong from the start and now we are here

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'd like to change my vote to Gin
VOTE: Gin-n-Tonic

Also Human,
'So why did you react so emotionally to my scumread with what you perceive as shoddy reasoning compared to some light memeing with RB who has a scumread based on practically no reasoning?'
Anybody would defend themselves if somebody claims somebody as scum, not reacting is wierd.

If I'm correct, you're the 6th or 7th vote on me so at this point it's no longer pressure voting. Give reasoning because, going under the pretense that you are town, you want to be able to clearly say why you thought player C was scummy enough for a vote instead of someone being able to misrepresent what you thought was scummy about me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I have a sneaky feeling that he actually knows I'm town but he will never admit it

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Zach, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@Zach, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction

Gravity was a theory invented by the communists. Everyone knows climate change isn't real.

I LOVE YOU.

I'll get serious when I get off work

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

How many people here besides Ircher thinks RB is scum?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdMDi0aaHv8

Also watch that, this is exactly how I feel about RB and I's relationship. Of course, RB is playing Vegeta. You'll also completely understand my reference because its almost a direct quote lmao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also I'm gonna play by play shred your post in 3 hours when I can use a computer because that was a wall was horrid

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'd like to change my vote to Gin
VOTE: Gin-n-Tonic

Also Human,
'So why did you react so emotionally to my scumread with what you perceive as shoddy reasoning compared to some light memeing with RB who has a scumread based on practically no reasoning?'
Anybody would defend themselves if somebody claims somebody as scum, not reacting is wierd.

If I'm correct, you're the 6th or 7th vote on me so at this point it's no longer pressure voting. Give reasoning because, going under the pretense that you are town, you want to be able to clearly say why you thought player C was scummy enough for a vote instead of someone being able to misrepresent what you thought was scummy about me.

Before I go into detail, I'd like to thank you, for your extra reasoning you provided me.
'At this point it's a game, if RB reads me as town, I win, and he knows that.'
Am I genuinely the only person getting a scum read from this or not?

The only person that gets a scum read from it is one that doesn't understand the concept of humour. I provided the link showing the exact reference and I talked to HS about it, and these forums have a Preview Edit thing so you should have read that before you posted this.

So let me get this right, if the person who stemmed all of the arguments against you admits that you're town, then you win?

This is actually a false question because RB never set up any arguments for me.

First of all, for somebody to stem an entire argument against somebody, they have to think they are scum, or just think they are suspicious, or the like. So he obviously doesn't think you are town, that's absurd.

If you can point out where RB laid out a case against me, this statement would have validity but there isn't.

Also why would you win? I assume it is because you are Scum.

Now, I'd win because the seething hatred RB has for me is palpable but to hear him admit I'm town is going to be sweet music to my ears. It's more like a personal thing I have with RB now.

What would the point in you being town, and being confirmed town be? All right, so 1 person thinks you are town, alright, so what about the other 17?

This should help answer the above question. The reason that this isn't scum motivated is due to the fact, although I'll admit you believe in the impossible, if RB town reads me instead of saying I'm scum, it still doesn't change anyone else's perspectives.

If 1 person thinks that you are town, big deal, the other people voting for you will still think you are Scum. So you won't win in the slightest way. There will still be people voting for you. The only way for you to win, is if the entire Scum faction were voting for you, and all of them instantly unvoted as RB unvoted. Which I find to be really unlikely, as many of the people voting for you have different reasons to vote you, yes they do stem from the discussion you and RB originally had, but they still have slightly altering opinions.

At this point in your post, I seriously think you misunderstood that by "winning" I don't mean winning the game, it's just a thing between RB and I.

The only other way that you can win, is if you are Scum. If you are Scum, you will obviously quote on quote 'win', as the less people who think you are Scum, the more likely you are to win.

Let's say RB is also Scum, the people who think RB is Scum, will immediately turn onto you, making it seem like he's trying to make a Scum member seem innocent.

The people who think RB is town, won't turn on you, as 'why would a town purposely call another town a Scum?.

Due to this, I'm 99% certain you are Scum now.

This is where I stopped taking you seriously and I doubt I'll continue until you shape up. This argument is invalid considering RB is...ya know...IC

However, as to before my post, this is why:
'Well if you think I'm scum because of my town then you don't have a solid grasp on my personality lmfao. '
I don't know about anybody else. I think this is very Scum based. Of course you want to defend yourself, but this is way too far-fetched. You want us to believe you are town, yet you provide no reasoning at all, other than 'then you don't have a solid grasp on my personality'. This seems far too desperate, far far too desperate. The worse thing is the 'lmfao'. You are saying about your personality, yet this is the only time I've saw you say 'lmfao', or similar, in a serious context.

You'd have a point here until HS and I came to the conclusion that we were misunderstanding each other and took the time to solve the issue at hand. It's starting to become evident and rather annoying to the point I'm thinking it's scummy that you use impossible scenarios and hypotheticals that are either answered if you read the thread or so far out there that their only use is to fit the narrative that you try to push.

Want to know something which makes this much worse? 'I'll get serious when I get off work'..... What!? 'I'll get serious when I get off work'. Am I the only person who interprets this as being a cover-up, as if you are trying to say 'Ignore everything which happened recently, I'm obviously not trying at the moment'. If not, and you really are in work, then you are a hypocrite. You have been making out that you take the game really seriously, and that you are a very serious person, who gets their priorities in order. Which makes 0 sense, if you take the game seriously, why would you not take it seriously, when pressured especially, and when you are in work. And if you take important things more seriously, then why on earth are you playing whilst in work!?

VOTE: Gin
Guilty till proven otherwise.

This again is you pushing something that's a misrepresentation to fit your narrative in order to justify a vote.

What happened is I went away for an hour, read Zach's post and made a joke that he played along with. It's called having fun and that's actually one of the most important things to have when playing Mafia. Also if you say I'm serious this entire thread and it doesn't make sense that I'd produce humorous content, may I refer to you to the multitude of memes and name pun's of posted/made relating to this game?

Oh and you're right tho about IRL matters that I should be focusing a lot of my time at work to working but...

#PowerOutageAtALab Can't run experiments on the HPLC when there isn't any power lmao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also any questions comments you'd like to make, please ask them in the next 20-30 minutes because after that, I'm going to go hide in a hole until I finish my reads lists with details

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also any questions comments you'd like to make, please ask them in the next 20-30 minutes because after that, I'm going to go hide in a hole until I finish my reads lists with details

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

11 meters/sec

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Got to Debi's post #1327 but didn't finish it because now i feel super light headed and nauseous and have a headache so i'm gonna go lay down for a little bit but i'll hopefully be back soon, if not then it'll be first thing tomorrow morning. For now, I leave you with this:

VOTE: TheFakeGinNToner

L-3 you fuck. God that was the scummiest fucking vote if your reasoning is being convinced by Debi.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Out of all the slots, this is my favorite lurker slot to to go.

Look at his posts from Jan 3 till now and tell me that's not just making up excuses?

VOTE: Echo

P-Edit: Ali even still, to say you are light headed or not thinking clearly but put down a vote screams saying "hey, don't blame me about the mislynch, I felt sick while I voted it."

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Even if he's going through shit, you don't play stupid and I'm not going to let someone play stupid just because they're going through shit in life. We all go through shit but that doesn't give any of us an excuse to play terrible. If it's that serious that he can't focus on the game then he needs to replace out, otherwise he needs to fucking be here.

Also it's not OMGUS when it's a scum vote/he's been a scum read of mine.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also now that you're actually here. You got me fucked up about my read on you.

Why exactly is it that I was one of your stronger town reads but then you voted me?

You're smart enough to not be swayed by a feather or was all that just an attempt to buddy?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You scum read me with a vote saying that you read other people's words and said that's good enough for a vote.

Your reasoning was actually fucked up when posting and I need to get this straight with you.

You said you didn't like Usi, myself, and Creature which, excluding me, is part of the town block and then you go on to say the only person you really hate on the wagon is Dunn which leads to the logical conclusion that you would vote him but I got the vote.

There's a logic leap there and I'm just confused as to why you wouldn't vote your top scum read? Hate=thinks is most scummy for clarification as to why I said scum read instead of hate

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

that page top tho

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Zach. I like your wall. As in, really, really, really like your wall.
I also re-read AA's wall. I really like that.
I also hate how quickly the Slick wagon rose. Yes I don't like the wagon, but I don't like how Uzi, Gin, and Creature jumped on that shit right away.

In fact, the only person I really hate on the wagon is Dunn.

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Really wonder how I came to the conclusion how you hated Dunn.... the world may never know, you must be right, came out of thin air

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Votecount 1.08

Alisae (3)

Debi , Pine , Wraith ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (3)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , Dunnstral ,

drealmerz7 (2)

SlickDilinger , Human Sequencer ,

Pine (1)

ssbm_Kyouko ,

SlickDilinger (6)

Alisae , Lil Uzi Vert , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Ircher , Creature , -Grey- ,

All Alone (2)

EchoVision , rb ,

Not Voting (2)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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Wait you were on the Slick wagon, in fact you started it, so why did you have a problem with people voting Slick in general?

Hi have a good idea! Why don't we flashwagon this?
VOTE: SlickDilinger
Or someone can do a meta dive real quick, either work for me.

Also, if you requested a flashwagon, what made you come to the conclusion that you had the right to say how you didn't like people jumping on to the wagon quickly?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

HA

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I also hate how quickly the Slick wagon rose. Yes I don't like the wagon, but I don't like how Uzi, Gin, and Creature jumped on that shit right away.
In fact, the only person I really hate on the wagon is Dunn.
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

So was this the results of your reaction test? Can you point out where you said this was all a reaction test because I'm not getting the vibe that you did this as a reaction test; reads more as your own reaction to the wagon forming.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah before post 1407, otherwise you're confirming that you just made that up to defend yourself.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'll get back to Gin later, but one thing I don't like about Gin is that he immediately doesn't give Echo a chance to explain himself. To me it comes off as saying "I don't care about your justification."
Now if Echo were to come back and not post his reasoning behind the vote, fine, that's blatantly scummy.
But he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance.

IF Echo said he thought I was scum and did a FoS, then it would have been chill but you don't fucking prod dodge for 3 days and vote someone to put them at L-3 and then bounce to avoid discussion. If you're not able to think clearly, then you don't make decisions like that. I've already said this shit but now you're appealing to emotions saying "he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance." Seriously?


You know what placing a vote is without reasoning? Voting without conviction...gee golly ain't that a concept.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

*plays Large Normal*
*doesn't want to read*

lol

QFT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So dreal, you said I was scum. Present a case.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that

No you're fucking not. You haven't been 'Open and Clear' at all.

1451 to 1453
It took you one minute to respond.

1456 to 1459
It took you three minutes to respond, and you were busy replying to others.

1460 to 1461
It took you one minute to respond.

1464 to 1468
It took you six minutes to respond with filler, and then another two to respond properly with what should be an easy copy-paste. What were you doing in this time?
Fabricating a VC.

1479 to 1480
It took you three minutes to respond, -despite- you being busy with your ferrets.

Please have my babies oh my goddddddddddddddddd

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I support this lynch VOTE: Dreal

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So if I recall correctly, what just happened was Dreal came online, said he wasn't reading and then spammed for a bit, called himself LHF and then left?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What does beetlejuice mean?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that

No you're fucking not. You haven't been 'Open and Clear' at all.

1451 to 1453
It took you one minute to respond.

1456 to 1459
It took you three minutes to respond, and you were busy replying to others.

1460 to 1461
It took you one minute to respond.

1464 to 1468
It took you six minutes to respond with filler, and then another two to respond properly with what should be an easy copy-paste. What were you doing in this time?
Fabricating a VC.

1479 to 1480
It took you three minutes to respond, -despite- you being busy with your ferrets.

@Wraith
Try reading this post, then you'll agree

and then you too will want his babies

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@mod

: Please replace me.

I'm sorry, I just can't get into this game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Tex, you just replaced in and I've been writing my reads dissertation but since you replaced in, any questions you need to ask me?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It reminds me of Mister Rodgers and I can never wear one because I have to pay my respects to the true OG

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I know I just spelled his name wrong

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

*Read Pine's Sig*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Still waiting for reasoning behind the TR.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm saying I think it's a failed attempt at buddying you

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Make a case on BDSM_Tokyo dude

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

TacoCat*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Make a case on BDSM_Tokyo dude

Hard lurking and he isn't a lurker as town.

So basically you're saying BDSM plays like you do?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Not going to lie, I did promise that.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

100% truth, it's delayed because of who I am as a person.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Addendum: Before D1 ends

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also pressure voting me won't do anything because I'm not rushing it and I'm sure you dont want rushed content

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

We need to just end D1 because I'm starting to become apathetic. We can bitch and moan about lynches all we want, I'm just starting to lose interest.

Honestly, I could do a reads list in depth but it won't truly matter until we get flips on players.


As of right now I'm vote parking on Echo and will make a case on him because out of all my scum reads, he's the one I want to make a case on.

VOTE: Echo

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're not getting them so lynch away like a fucking idiot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae, is your final conclusion that because I won't produce a reads list, I'm scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Build a case sweetie or I'll ask that you're policy lynched D2 because of what I flip.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm not sorry when I say this but your slot is not one that needs to be alive in the late game, you're careless with your votes and when you do vote, you're easily swayed. Quite honestly if you're town, you've done the town more harm than good but if you're scum, well that explains a lot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I DON'T FUCKING NEED TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAD A CASE ALISAE. IF YOU HAVE ONE THEN FUCKING BRING IT UP.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Under what logical conclusion do you think you can fucking make where you don't have to vote someone and not give a single fucking reason, much less a case on someone?

In Mafia, it's what you fucking do. You don't just sit where you are and think "Oh I don't have to say anything, I'm right and don't need to explain myself." It's not how it works. You present your case because not only does it help people see your point of view and then they listen to you and vote with you, they then also can tell your alignment by how genuine a case was, blah blah.


It's how you play and you need to learn that other people looking at your slot don't know you're town if you're town that game.

If that doesn't make any sense to you, I can provide a link to the newbie queue where an IC can tell you the same damn thing.

/Rant fucking over

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin I like making you frustrated.

Policy Lynch D1 or 2?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Out of all the slots, this is my favorite lurker slot to to go.

Look at his posts from Jan 3 till now and tell me that's not just making up excuses?

VOTE: Echo

P-Edit: Ali even still, to say you are light headed or not thinking clearly but put down a vote screams saying "hey, don't blame me about the mislynch, I felt sick while I voted it."

I'll get back to Gin later, but one thing I don't like about Gin is that he immediately doesn't give Echo a chance to explain himself. To me it comes off as saying "I don't care about your justification."
Now if Echo were to come back and not post his reasoning behind the vote, fine, that's blatantly scummy.
But he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance.

IF Echo said he thought I was scum and did a FoS, then it would have been chill but you don't fucking prod dodge for 3 days and vote someone to put them at L-3 and then bounce to avoid discussion. If you're not able to think clearly, then you don't make decisions like that. I've already said this shit but now you're appealing to emotions saying "he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance." Seriously?


You know what placing a vote is without reasoning? Voting without conviction...gee golly ain't that a concept.

Yeah I've been on his ass for awhile and I'm building up the case because I know how to play.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm giving a scum lean. So far I've seen him have a joking manner but I get a bad vibe from it, like he's trying to hide behind the humour and his general diction. Only town thing I'm seeing from him is his vote for Wraith

Oh and my beginning read where even drunk me agreed he was scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alright, I'm no longer talking to Alisae for the rest of D1 but I gotta ask the town, I'm going to build a case on Echo and I truly think he's scum, however at this point I'm also willing to policy lynch Alisae as it's just D1 and hey, 50/50 chance never actually goes away.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WHAT IS THE CASE ON ME?

LAY IT OUT

OR SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO AWAY

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My wagon is 2/3's lurkers lmfao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Alisae

Policy Lynch vote, still doing the Echo case before hammer.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm leaning more town on Alisae but I'm policy lynching that fucking slot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can sum up why the policy lynch is almost a necessity right now in a couple of questions.

1) Do you, as town, trust Alisae to make a good decision in LyLo, regardless if you are alive or not?

2) Do you, as town, believe Alisae's spam-like posting and OMGUS behaviour benefit the town more than it does harm it?

3) Do you, as town, believe that you can get a fair read on her by the end of the game and will be able to fairly judge if her slot is scum or not compared to an a scum slot?

If you can prove how Alisae's slot strengthen's the vitality of the town, then I'll back off, until then, I'm 100% confident that this lynch is actually the better path to go down.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I see Gin found a way to get back on the Alisae lynch after hard defending him, without ever having explained the townread like he promised

in other news, Gin is scum

She's town because of how much she shit posts. No way with daytalk would she post so much here.
Her general play screams her town game, it's weak and illogical and drives you up the wall, but town play.
Seriously, someone on her team would have told her to shut up and actually focus and help her out.

If Gin genuinely believed Alisae needed to be a policy lynch, he wouldn't have hard defended him and then waited until they were both lynch candidates to bring it up. That is survivalistic play.

I request a policy lynch on her because of what I said earlier:

I can sum up why the policy lynch is almost a necessity right now in a couple of questions.

1) Do you, as town, trust Alisae to make a good decision in LyLo, regardless if you are alive or not?

2) Do you, as town, believe Alisae's spam-like posting and OMGUS behaviour benefit the town more than it does harm it?

3) Do you, as town, believe that you can get a fair read on her by the end of the game and will be able to fairly judge if her slot is scum or not compared to an a scum slot?

If you can prove how Alisae's slot strengthen's the vitality of the town, then I'll back off, until then, I'm 100% confident that this lynch is actually the better path to go down.

Also can't call it survivalistic play when I reignited the wagon besides the staple votes that were already on her.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can we just lynch somebody like today? At this point I don't even care if it's me but I'm not self-hammering because it's unethical

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fuck a flashwagon, I want the day over and lynch me, dreal or Alisae.

I'm actually willing to take a bullet because my conversations and the reasons people scum read can be analyzed. I don't think I missed talking to a single player on this thread so really, I'd be the most informative lynch.