Large Normal 200 - Big Round Numbers - Game Over

[Creature]

The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.

Singleball.

[Creature]

VOTE: TheRealGin

RVS' over. RealGin + Pine

Two or three to go.

[Creature]

I wonder if he got a scum role and he hates being scum.

[Creature]

Could you confirm that?

[Creature]

Okay, I'll just lurk through all the first 3 days so scum won't kill me early. Hopefully scum are lynched meanwhile.

[Creature]

Funny, because as scum I try to look active but I end up lurking. As town it's like the opposite.

[Creature]

Maybe from a nightkill?

[Creature]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

It's a fair Cop.

Dayvig Gin

DIE SUCKA

[Creature]

Classic.

[Creature]

Looks like scum theater.

[Creature]

Okay, whatever.

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

[Creature]

The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.

Singleball.

How does that confirm singleball? (Although, that is badly worded imo.)

Oh nvm, that does not confirm singleball.

[Creature]

They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

What makes you think it was fake? Wouldn't scum be more aware of the rules?

Scum could still fake townslips specially if they know the rules.

[Creature]

Okay, whatever.

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature

I let the jump onto Gin and I go because RVS, but that and the abrupt jump off looked super disingenuous.

#Out of RVS.

Sort of was planning to attack Ircher when making that post, but then he posted.

[Creature]

If he assumed 4 or 5, it would be a lot simpler.

[Creature]

Debilitated

[Creature]

The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.

Singleball.

How does that confirm singleball? (Although, that is badly worded imo.)

Oh nvm, that does not confirm singleball.

Care to explain your original logic in the first place?

It says the game ends when all threats to town were eliminated (town win) or it couldn't happen (town loss), but say there's:
3 mafia alive
2 townies alive
1 BP SK alive

At this point town pretty much already lost, though, then the mafia would win even if the SK were alive?

Then I realised the game would still go on at that point.

[Creature]

Debi, there aren't many non-town there. Also, the only possible factions are town, mafia/werewolves and SK.

[Creature]

What forums are you from?

[Creature]

Though, not even ToS forums use 7 town, 6 mafia and 6 third parties lol

[Creature]

Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum.

Implying there's 9 scum and Debi knows that?

[Creature]

I'll leave that even a multiball is unbalanced if town is only one more than the number of anti-town.

[Creature]

I think Debi just made a dumb assumption rather than showing actual knowledge.

[Creature]

Singleball is usually:
T = (M x 3) + 1
Where T is the number of town and M the number of mafia.

[Creature]

Btw, did anyone check the forums Debi linked to see if their games are usually 10v9?

[Creature]

The assumption doesn't really make sense for it to be scum motivated other than "trying to look dumb".

[Creature]

Speech vs Attitude

[Creature]

It wasn't serious either way, otherwise you wouldn't notice me here.

[Creature]

Yes, get out of Alisae wagon. Alisae is just town that posts awkwardly.

Bet it's scumled

[Creature]

Btw, if you keep saying scum!Creature will lurk, soon it'll be an uneffective tell.

Tells are like food, don't consume them right away, keep them for later.

[Creature]

Grey, don't be surprised if you don't make it to Day 3.

[Creature]

Zach, let's join this.

VOTE: Pine

[Creature]

rb

Alisae
ssbm_Kyouko

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Lil Uzi Vert

Gamma Emerald
Zachstralkita

Creature

drealmerz7
Ircher
Pine
Human Sequencer
-Grey-

Wraith

SlickDilinger

Debi

EchoVision
Dunnstral
All Alone

[Creature]

I'm fine with the most of the unstriked, just don't push the striked.

[Creature]

I have players I'm surer are scum, but taking down scum mastermind must be more helpful.

[Creature]

Strike rb too.

[Creature]

Why?

[Creature]

Let me see who was voting Alisae.

[Creature]

Dunn, Debi, Pine, Gin, LUV, Grey, ssbm

I might be missing someone

[Creature]

Dunn is normal so far
Debi is town
Pine potential to be scum
LUV town
Grey potential to be scum
ssbm town

[Creature]

Opinions on the wagon?

[Creature]

this isn't the Creature I know

lol the only game we completed together I was scum in.

[Creature]

Wow these reads suck.

[Creature]

Guess scum are now trying to act scummy to redirect the wagon from their mastermind to themselves.

[Creature]

lol if you could tell my alignment straight away from one real life day, it would be a trust tell.

[Creature]

Realize that you're using meta too early and it's looking like you're using it for opportunistic purposes, otherwise you would've let the game go on a bit more before actually showing your meta analysis on me.

[Creature]

"X does Y as town" "X doesn't do Z as town"

Using that early is a great way to make the tell uneffective.

[Creature]

rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

Point one scumread here that doesn't fit the category of "lynchbait"

[Creature]

For anyone

What do you think about Human Sequencer?

[Creature]

Guess who's misinterpreting things.

[Creature]

lol if you could tell my alignment straight away from one real life day, it would be a trust tell.

"The only way to find out someone's scum straight away is if that someone is using a trust tell"

[Creature]

I bet your meta is off one or two town games.

[Creature]

I can call off your read on me because it looks opportunistic, so your read on Alisae, which I would expect you to take a deeper look, on Wraith, which you would also look at his playstyle, and EchoVision, the same as the other two.

[Creature]

So am I scum pushing a mislynch, or town misinterpreting things?

Scum making town misinterpret.

[Creature]

Why did you ask the question you asked in 528? It seems like you're looking for support in your scumread

Thought town's supposed to get scumreads and push them.

[Creature]

He's dismissed my reads as sucky, called it a trust tell and implied that I'm scum with ulterior motive all one after the other. What's the town motivation for this?

Say you're an unconfirmed town, the other two town are confirmed and they're both voting the other unconfirmed player that in your pov must be scum. Do you hammer or waste town time with more explanations?

[Creature]

Yes. You could also try to explain why that player is scum, but you know it is scum and you're just picking its posts and incriminating them.

At this case, I'm not so confident on you being scum, but I already got that feeling when you posted your reads and I don't need to pick all your other posts and incriminate them.

[Creature]

nice irrelevant fact that doesn't explain your motivation for calling my reads shite and otherwise discrediting me fifteen thousand times at all

I think your reads come from scum.

[Creature]

Alisae: Never completed a game with me
LUV: Never completed a game with me (I think)
Grey: Never completed a game with me
Human Sequencer: Claims extra meta knowledge

[Creature]

Oh, there are also Gin and Pine, they claim they know I lurk a lot as scum, yet it looks like they're trying to find a good reason to still scumread me even if I'm not lurking.

[Creature]

Come with more walls, I only need one line to break each of them anyway.

[Creature]

Let's test:
If you know my meta very well, how do I play as town and how do I play as scum?

[Creature]

Don't come with stuff like "pro-town" "anti-town" "helpful" "like you're playing right now"

[Creature]

If it looks realistic enough, maybe I could reconsider my read on you, though I'll still question some of your reads.

[Creature]

Okay then:
I hate being scum
I hate and react pretty badly for pressure as either alignment
If I am pressured as town I usually attack someone who's pressuring me because I believe scum wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to lynch me as I am harder to lynch later in the game

[Creature]

Hey Gin.

If you think I'm lurktastic as scum, why are you still scumreading me and why are you taking 37 serious?

[Creature]

I'm not letting you escape either if I turn out be a vigilante or some other strong power role.

[Creature]

Hi Gamma Emerald

[Creature]

I saw him in the playerlist.

[Creature]

If players think weird behavior = scummy behavior, then indeed scummy behavior =/= scum.

[Creature]

I'm gonna go gonna wait.

[Creature]

About rb

I'm gonna go gonna wait.

[Creature]

tbh I doubt mhsmith0 would even make his game multiball, I still think that multiball discussion is useless.

[Creature]

I think it's just 14v4v1

[Creature]

I've never completed a game with you but meta is not why I'm scum reading you. I'm scum reading you because I don't understand how you came to 23 when we haven't had a scum flip yet and the announcement of RVS being over felt like just another reason to have a justified vote at that stage. Your responses to Wraith's entrance in 33 and 34 pinged me as well as 37. I also like the following from Human and it sounds like it can be backed up if I did a meta dive on you.

23 - I wasn't 100% sure of that, but it seemed like a good push to make
33 and 34 - One of these snarky posts
37 - I've been getting nightkilled early more often

If you're not used to play with me, you'll usually find me weird.

[Creature]

The more posts you have, the easier it is for anyone to point out a scumtell even if your posts contain genuine scumhunting. It should be pointed out as a logical fallacy.

[Creature]

Because you don't know me at all.

[Creature]

Then I understand that you could scumread me.

[Creature]

Zachstralkita is town.

[Creature]

I think you towncased Alisae lol

[Creature]

Okay we wait the VC

[Creature]

Wouldn't be surprised if both Gin and Pine turned out to be scum.

[Creature]

Yeah, I think rb should bleed harder.

[Creature]

If he's town maybe we should take a deep look at who had Alisae, rb and me as top scumreads, like -Grey-.

[Creature]

Glad memes usually don't last more than a week.

[Creature]

No one will restrict me.

[Creature]

VOTE: drawerz7

[Creature]

So far my lynch preferences are Pine and drealmerz7.

[Creature]

Not thinking Human is scum anymore.

[Creature]

Oh, I forgot -Grey-.

[Creature]

Started scumreading you here:

Guess scum are now trying to act scummy to redirect the wagon from their mastermind to themselves.

Why:

rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

Point one scumread here that doesn't fit the category of "lynchbait"

I can call off your read on me because it looks opportunistic, so your read on Alisae, which I would expect you to take a deeper look, on Wraith, which you would also look at his playstyle, and EchoVision, the same as the other two.

nice irrelevant fact that doesn't explain your motivation for calling my reads shite and otherwise discrediting me fifteen thousand times at all

I think your reads come from scum.

Alisae: Never completed a game with me
LUV: Never completed a game with me (I think)
Grey: Never completed a game with me
Human Sequencer: Claims extra meta knowledge

[Creature]

Oh right, I'm supposed to update my readlist.

[Creature]

rb
Alisae

ssbm_Kyouko
TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Lil Uzi Vert

Gamma Emerald
Zachstralkita

Creature

drealmerz7

Ircher

Pine

Human Sequencer

-Grey-

Wraith

SlickDilinger

Debi
EchoVision

Dunnstral
All Alone

[Creature]

9 decent-to-strong townreads out of 19.

I need one more to eradicate the rest.

[Creature]

but if you're the kind of player that hates players that only leave a readlist upon catch up:

[Creature]

Unless they do something really really really town, don't let All Alone, SlickDinger and drealmerz7 live too long. Lurkers are start are always lurkers.

[Creature]

Oh right, I forgot Gamma Emerald.

[Creature]

Though, maybe Gamma is just busy so I'm giving him a free pass.

[Creature]

Nvm, Gamma Emerald isn't busy at all

Burn him

[Creature]

Pine is feeling less likely mastermind scum, or maybe he's just really posting a lot more in his scum PT.

[Creature]

mhsmith0 also looks scummy.

[Creature]

I'm having a gut feeling Dunn and Zach are both town this game, just really depressively. Though, I doubt I'll have a fixed read on them.

[Creature]

Alisae 168
Creature 86
TheRealGin-N-Tonic 85
-Grey- 62
Lil Uzi Vert 60
rb 57

Ircher 45
Human Sequencer 33
Dunnstral 28
Pine 27
Zachstralkita 25
Wraith 20

Debi 16
EchoVision 13
ssbm_Kyouko 9
All Alone 2
SlickDilinger 1
drealmerz7 1

I would deeply appreciate it if the bolded would shut the everloving fuck up a bit. We're barely more than a day into this game, and 30 pages in. That is ridiculous. I'm not asking you to stop contributing, or to start lurking, I'm just requesting that you be the slightest bit considerate. Some of us have real lives - jobs, spouses, children, and obligations. We are simply not capable of meaningfully keeping up with a game that moves this fast. Posting like an ADHD rabbit on speed is not helpful, it's obstructive. It isn't participating, it's excluding. Please take a step back, take a deep breath, stop bickering almost exclusively among the four or five of you, and wait for responses from the rest of us.

That said, the people in italics need to step it the fuck up. I get that it's the holidays. I get that you have shit to do. I work a 50-70 hour work week in emergency medicine. If you can't keep up with a fast game, replace out. If you can, do it.

Hahahaha

I understand someone's hatred for lurkers because they could be scum trying to be less sortable, but spammers are trying to be more sortable, not?

[Creature]

tbh I can't really read -Grey-

{Alisae, Wraith, rb, Creature}

I'm happy voting anywhere in there.

Though, tf is this. I thought he wasn't just an ordinary player.

[Creature]

Meh, I feel like I have a decent chance of being wrong in one of my townreads, though it should be fine as long we lynch most of the scum early.

[Creature]

If you don't want a lurker lynch, maybe you could voice your opinions on my unstriked and not lurkish players.

[Creature]

idk, I'm not really fan of making posts with so many lines, you start typing them and then suddenly you see yourself getting a writer's block or something and you end deleting it.

This is my way to not lurk as town.

[Creature]

Btw, drealmerz7 has a playstyle similar to me (though he's less one-liner). Active as town, lurker as scum.

[Creature]

I'm having a gut feeling Dunn and Zach are both town this game, just really depressively.

What is that supposed to mean

Unlike Hunger Games and Wake's Role Madness, where you both were a lot more active.

[Creature]

VOTE: All Alone to the graveyard

[Creature]

VOTE: Huh? My intention is to lynch All Alone. I doubt there's someone restricted to not talk outside vote tags

[Creature]

I agree with zachstralkita

there

there's my opinion on rb

try and analyze it

You won't get townread with posts like this, my child.

[Creature]

Nah, looks like scum trying to pull a lazy townie.

[Creature]

Btw, drealmerz7 has a playstyle similar to me (though he's less one-liner). Active as town, lurker as scum.

aka lynch it with fire

[Creature]

VOTE: Pine like an All Alone

[Creature]

Okay

Pine
All Alone
drealmerz7

Just take your pick

[Creature]

Ircherstral

[Creature]

Ircher is probably town. This push makes no sense if he's scum.

Unless he wants you to think that.

[Creature]

Derptown
Scum trying to look derptown
Too obvious to be scum
>Terrible reaction test

[Creature]

Ircher just did a really terrible reaction test.

Back to scum,

[Creature]

^ Oh look, wagon should end in 3...2...1...

[Creature]

I'd rather buy scum placing naked votes to look like they're doing something without having to explain.

[Creature]

VOTE: All Along

[Creature]

I'm starting to doubt my townread on rb.

[Creature]

is it bad that my primary source of enjoyment in mafia is shitposting?

At least for Pine it is.

[Creature]

wait
what information will a AA flip tell us?

Depends on what kind of power he has.

[Creature]

At least I won't eat the first NK.

[Creature]

Oh, that's so coo oo oo oo ool
So coo oo oo oo ool
My computer can't handle the rendering
Oh, that's so coo oo oo oo ool
So coo oo oo oo ool
It's so great, it's so pretty
There are billions and billions of scum to lynch
There are billions and billions of obvtown
There is nothing I like more than mafia
So let's lynch some scum up here

[Creature]

By day 3, depending on the mod, we must have one scum left.

[Creature]

You should try to create an alt, lurk most of Day 1, 2 and maybe 3 and then smash scum.

[Creature]

After All Alone is gone, we see which of his naked votes are most likely a bus and then everybody else voted by AA is conftown.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

good lord people can we all stop doing "reaction tests" forever

because now I, for the third fuckin time since I woke up today, have to figure out where I want my vote, AND IT'S PISSING ME OFF

Welcome, back.

We're not doing a reaction test right now, so you might be fine.

We're scumreading you for:
-
-
-
-

and most importantly:

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

Okay, sorry. Do your analysis all alone.

[Creature]

TMW All Alone is accusing Gin of having all his reads short but one.

[Creature]

Damn, apparently we feel like we all got scum but we don't want to discuss other lynches otherwise scum might get away.

[Creature]

No, keep the wagon on scum.

[Creature]

Is it bad if town switches wagon from scum to another scum?

[Creature]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, let's wake this up because he posts elsewhere.

[Creature]

I doubt Gamma never noticed this thread existed.

[Creature]

Gamma Emerald + drealmerz7 + All Alone + Pine

Fair?

[Creature]

Let's not let this prod-dodger get away.

VOTE: SlickDinger

[Creature]

Is it bad I want all of of All Alone, Gamma Emerald, SlickDinger and drealmerz7 dead before Day 3?

[Creature]

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Creature]

tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

[Creature]

Nah, I'm confident that if he were town, he would be one of the top posters.

[Creature]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

Everybody walls at their first newbie game, then they realise walling looks stupid and most of the time useless, some do continue though.

[Creature]

VOTE: SlickDinger

[Creature]

I am seeing a "with me" right after "disagreements", if you can't see, maybe it got cut off?

[Creature]

Oh right. Okay, I'll PM some players.

[Creature]

What do you think about Pine?

[Creature]

I have my PoE narrowed down to drealmerz7, SlickDinger, All Alone, Gamma Emerald, Pine, Zachstralkita, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko and -Grey-.

[Creature]

Whoever wants to opinate.

[Creature]

you can put a strike through slick, zach and gamma tbh
probably grey too, not sure yet

i mean slick could be scum i guess but there's no way i'm lynching him today

Nah, my biggest fear is correctly pointing out scum but then as soon I die town totally forgets about them.

[Creature]

I think it would be ideal to lynch the lurkers early.
1. If we leave them alive and they're scum, town will forget about them.
2. If we leave them alive and they're town, when it's something like MyLo or LyLo, scum has a giant power.
3. They aren't contributing anyway, while the most active players are more clear about their thought process.
4. Who said they don't give info? We can see who was trying to lynch All Alone but not SlickDinger, etc.

[Creature]

Okay, as long we don't lynch a town loudvoice.

[Creature]

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

drealmerz7
SlickDinger
All Alone
Gamma Emerald

If you don't want total lurkers:

ssbm_Kyouko
Pine
Zachstralkita
Dunnstral

Everybody but -Grey- I'm decent to strongly townreading.

[Creature]

VOTE: drealmerz7

Good drealms

[Creature]

Nah, he's lurking hard and if he were town he would never be lurking hard plus his few posts suck and I'd rather not let him live.

[Creature]

How easy this game is? Nah, I like easy games.

[Creature]

The omnipotent must be a boring person.

[Creature]

Gint OuTonic

[Creature]

I posted way more than you and I posted things way more reckless here than you ever did in your MS history.

[Creature]

Why Zach and Dunn?

After Pine, they're all nullreads, though I feel better about -Grey- than I feel better about Dunnstral and Zachstralkita, specially considering both aren't usually inactive.

[Creature]

I think ssbm_Kyouko is officially in the lurkers that should die list.

[Creature]

TheRealGin-N-Tonic is a nice wagon made of two scumreads, two players I don't trust so much and two players that could be considered "VI".

[Creature]

Give names not shade

All Alone and SlickDinger
Dunnstral and Zachstralkita
Alisae and Debi

[Creature]

VOTE: drealmerz7

nuke: Gin wagon

[Creature]

-Grey- is town, game is solved.

[Creature]

*plays Large Normal*
*doesn't want to read*

lol

[Creature]

You'll need a better excuse.

[Creature]

Okay, next lurker:

VOTE: Pine

Criticized lurkers and spammers earlier, but now is a lurker himself.

[Creature]

tbh you weren't acting like a town meat I knew, therefore I thought you were a scum fruit.

[Creature]

^ not scum hunting

[Creature]

Thanks for scum hunting!

[Creature]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Creature]

Maybe I should've sticked with drealmerz7, but I won't let this scum slip by.

[Creature]

He evolved from low-hanging fruit to beetlejuice.

[Creature]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetlejuice

Beetlejuice is the player that only appears when someone mentions them.

[Creature]

Btw, my newbie game ended...

[Creature]

texcat, what do you think about rb?

[Creature]

Just wanted to know if you found out rb is a revealed innocent child.

[Creature]

Say a number from 20-100.

[Creature]

VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
VOTE: All Alone
VOTE: drealmerz7
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Pine
VOTE: SlickDinger
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Creature]

ssbm_Kyouko is our lynch.

[Creature]

Looks like I broke the fourth wall.

[Creature]

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Creature]

No one wants to lynch ssbm_Kyouko besides me.

[Creature]

Make a case on BDSM_Tokyo dude

Hard lurking and he isn't a lurker as town.

[Creature]

Make a case on BDSM_Tokyo dude

Hard lurking and he isn't a lurker as town.

So basically you're saying BDSM plays like you do?

I never saw him playing scum though.

[Creature]

Creature, who have you voted for with reasoning this game (as in not including RVS, I don't really care if you included the reasoning or not)?

Other than BDSM_Tokyo

Let me see:

drealmerz7 is usually active as town.
Gamma Emerald is usually active as town.
Pine is meh.

[Creature]

VOTE: All Alone

[Creature]

lol policy lynch

No, it doesn't excuse the shit wagon you're creating.

[Creature]

Gin's wagon composition is also like: Half scummy players.

[Creature]

Okay whatever

VOTE: Gin

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I just hope I don't die at night and town goes like "let's lynch Alisae, and Debi, and EchoVision, and Ircher, and some other obvtown, let's ignore Creature"

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VOTE: drealmerz7

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I still don't like his empty votes and how he stayed under the radar.

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Is flashwagon still possible?

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Maybe we can go after someone staying under the radar.