Normally, I would just run my computer simulation.
However, I am lazy. New Year Laziness. Please tell me if this setup doesn't (or surprisingly!) work
EV speaking, that's 50%. One of the weakness of nightless is that you cannot lynch the obvtown. This is compensated by Vengenful.
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"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
The best route for scum is to push someone who can chain-ML a lot of people.
Let's say we have players A through L. A, B, C are scum. D and E are in a massive T v T. F has been noting this. D and G call him scum for this. F calls G scum for discrediting him. By lynching E, you cause it to go E-D-F-G, unless one breaks the chain.
I feel there's a better way to express how scumsided this seems, but I can't find words to do so.
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I understand the argument.. I may as well need to make computer simulation.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:Computer sims won't help. My issue is with people being blithering idiots.
Computer tells us the normal people.
So the actual rate is higher because people being blithering idiots.
At least we have educated guess.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
GE wrote:The best route for scum is to push someone who can chain-ML a lot of people.
Let's say we have players A through L. A, B, C are scum. D and E are in a massive T v T. F has been noting this. D and G call him scum for this. F calls G scum for discrediting him. By lynching E, you cause it to go E-D-F-G, unless one breaks the chain.
It sounds as though these townies' reads are quite bad to the point where they probably should be losing this game.
In post 0, Realeo wrote:Normally, I would just run my computer simulation.
However, I am lazy. New Year Laziness. Please tell me if this setup doesn't (or surprisingly!) work
EV speaking, that's 50%. One of the weakness of nightless is that you cannot lynch the obvtown. This is compensated by punishing bad play of town. Town can rack up early town loss or lynch a obvtown in the VT chain reaction.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
How does it balances at 7 town 4 scums, if I may ask? 7 town and 4 scums is essentially 6 towns and 4 scums and 1 game solver which is around 20% EV?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
In post 11, callforjudgement wrote:Games where scum have little or no control over who dies seem in practice to be balanced at stupidly low EVs, for whatever reason.
Isn't the reason is because of scum cannot kill obv town?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
Do you think it would be solved better with my idea of Chain Reaction?
Maybe I have to turn one into Vengenful.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
In general, towns do slightly better than expected values based on random lynches/investigations/night actions. In games where scum cannot use factional kill abilities to snuff out town that are problems (good reads, consensus town, etc) the difference generally seems to go up substantially.
FWIW, the FakeGod large dance theme games have been a very notable exception to this rule. Based on playing in one and skimming through another, I would say that this is a combination of:
1) towns foolishly using their suicide abilities in many situations where it is wildly sub-optimal to do so
2) towns being exceptionally bad at using private topic neighborhoods to read people (an aspect of play that has also popped up repeatedly in mini normal results as well, as scum neighbors/neighborizers have worked incredibly well, while all town hoods do not seem to be especially good at recognizing each other)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
My mind is that by locking the thread, the scum can strategically zone out bad player to make another bad lynch due to the chain reaction.
And yeah, that large dance somehow always come to the final 2 pairs. Somehow.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
What should the game mod do if A is lynched and site flaked before lynching.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo