Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[-Grey-]

VOTE: No Lynch

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VOTE: No Lynch

So you want to skip rvs or do you really want a no lynch and if so why?

Yes.

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I'm also really not a fan of the no-lynch vote. We can discuss that as an option later in the day

No. No Lynch is never an option on d1. That you are feigning objection to it for now and keeping it open as a possibility for later if town is amenable to it gives me scum vibes.

VOTE: Anotora

Bye bye, RVS.

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No Lynch is never an option on d1.

Yet you voted for it.

That's the best you can do?

Thanks for supporting my scumread.

[-Grey-]

Grey and Rc opinions about Garmr and Anotora

Too early for Garmr. I think my opinion of Anotora is pretty obvious.

[-Grey-]

by case I mean even one short sentence saying I beleive you did that which was scummy

Try reading the post where I voted her.

I also find her interest in pushing for a counterclaim on the Miller to be scummy and would townread RC and FB both upon her red flip.

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pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe

a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.

I see. Well, I was just acting of common sence, since usually when you start claiming the same role it's either a TvS, a SvS or in this case a RVS discussion.

If you want to claim common sense, them common sense should have told you that a real cc would have been accompanied with a vote.

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I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.

Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Can't have it both ways, mate.

[-Grey-]

a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.

I think it's more likely for a scum to claim miller early than for scum to counterclaim miller. This is in part because of how unlikely two millers are.

If Firebringer is scum, then claiming miller was a big risk for him that could also have paid off. On the other hand, if RadiantCowbells is scum, claiming miller would be a terrible move, since at best he'd get a mislynch on Firebringer and then be confirmed scum, and at worst he'd be lynched straight off Day 1.

It almost seems to me like we should put such a bad scum move past RC and vote Firebringer, but that's WIFOMy.

I'm not doing anything either way until RC confirms that his claim was serious.

Fucking scumposting right here.

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RC was bullshitting about being a Miller.

Get over it. Geez.

[-Grey-]

You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on his actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.

I'm protown for scumreading you with clear posts with actual points to them?

Sounds like a confession if I ever heard one.

VOTE: Anotora

[-Grey-]

I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.

Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Can't have it both ways, mate.

Don't understand how you find any connection between the two posts. In the first one I say I'm not a complete Newbie and it is pretty insulting saying that (even if I make dumb mistakes) and in the second one I say that since I don't know you as players as well as you know each other, I cannot say if somebody would do something or not, like some of you have done till now.

If you're not a newbie, you don't need to know us personally to read us.

Read between the lines, newbie.

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Grey you sound like a house alt

Who?

[-Grey-]

Ano is totally scum, they're already tripping up on their own narrative.

[-Grey-]

Ano is totally scum, they're already tripping up on their own narrative.

Anora is town

Post 101 illustrates why that is highly unlikely, and I didn't even make it.

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VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Okay, I'm good with going back to this.

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VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Okay, I'm good with going back to this.

It almost seems like you're rewarding me for townreading you, by taking your vote off of me and putting it back on Pepchoninga. That's the scummiest thing you've done so far.

You nullified something I was scumreading you for. Not by townreading me, but by giving an explanation why your view changed.

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VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Okay, I'm good with going back to this.

I will repeat the question Ano asked - why are you lynchhopping?

Your question is as irrelevant as theirs was because I was going back and forth between two scumreads trying to figure out which one I wanted more.

Congratulations, you win.

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VOTE: Pepto Ninja

Okay, I'm good with going back to this.

I will repeat the question Ano asked - why are you lynchhopping?

Your question is as irrelevant as theirs was because I was going back and forth between two scumreads trying to figure out which one I wanted more.

Congratulations, you win.

Actually you seem inconsistent in what you do. You seem pretty confident in your scumread after about five pages of nonsense. Good job.

Just as confident as I can be five pages into the game.

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Six*

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So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.

That's... not a great contribution on his part.

Has calling me a noob become a meme or something? At least don't use it in your arguments cuz it's getting on my nerves >.<

Letting people know it annoys you is the worst thing you can do.

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So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.

That's... not a great contribution on his part.

Has calling me a noob become a meme or something? At least don't use it in your arguments cuz it's getting on my nerves >.<

Letting people know it annoys you is the worst thing you can do.

I belive in sportsmanship and this includes counting everybody as your equal in a game like that. Since the other things are disrespectful ^^

I believe in sportsmanship too. Part of that is nutting up and not letting inconsequential remarks affect your mindset.

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Garmr laid that out pretty good. Good job.

VOTE: Anotora

Hey everyone, if you ever want to see what a lurker looks like, go read Srceenplay's ISO.

What is this post designed to accomplish?

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You're talking to Grey. Good luck with that.

Words wound.

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You're talking to Grey. Good luck with that.

Words wound.

But do they burn?

In the illest fashion.

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I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Woooow. All that from five posts.

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I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Woooow. All that from five posts.

I know right!
Aren't I amazing at this game!

There are no words to describe it.

[-Grey-]

195 is hilarious.

[-Grey-]

Firebringer, if you're trying to buddy up to me, it's not working.

FB is obvtown even without his Miller claim.

[-Grey-]

-Grey-, why are you so sure? Would you let me try to provoke him into writing meaningful content?

If you can provoke FB, I shall grant you one internet cookie.

[-Grey-]

I think he saying you couldn't provoke me.
But he wouldn't mind if you tried friend.

Can I haz cookie when he fails?

No, but you can has dayvig if he succeeds.

[-Grey-]

What does that taste like?

Korn.

[-Grey-]

You basically said to read his ongoing games

Saying that in itself is not against the rules because it is not a substantive remark about those games, but it's still poor etiquette because it's an indefensible attack.

[-Grey-]

Grey buddying me?
Fucking Disgusting.

That was just mean, buddy.

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Grey buddying me?
Fucking Disgusting.

That was just mean, buddy.

Okay Grey. Let me ask you this honestly: Would you ever buddy me?

I wouldn't rule anything out as a possibility. It all depends on circumstances, buddy.

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I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

[-Grey-]

Grey buddying me?
Fucking Disgusting.

That was just mean, buddy.

Okay Grey. Let me ask you this honestly: Would you ever buddy me?

I wouldn't rule anything out as a possibility. It all depends on circumstances, buddy.

Alright fine. I'll apologize to you as well.
I am sorry for saying that you wouldn't buddy me. I thought you wouldn't buddy me mostly because it's your character not to and you are ususally a very aggressive player when you're town.

It's not that I'm aggressive so much as incendiary. I do things to watch the reactions and develop my reads from those reactions.

Everybody playing nice makes it too easy for scum to hide and blend in. It takes controversy to force scum into compromising stances.

[-Grey-]

I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

Where is your vote then?

[-Grey-]

I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

No...This isn't a slip Peppy...
I usually like to push people who push slips that aren't slips hard, but this is definitely not a slip.
But he either said that for 2 reasons.
A. He actually is trying to pocket me.
B. Sarcasm. I bet it's the 2nd one.
Either way the reasons are WIFOM

Maybe I misunderestimated you.

[-Grey-]

I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

Where is your vote then?

Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.

If it's a slip, that makes me scum does it not?

[-Grey-]

I like Grey for other reasons.

What reasons might those be?

[-Grey-]

I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

Where is your vote then?

Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.

If it's a slip, that makes me scum does it not?

It doesn't MAKE you scum, it just gives you a scum look. What MAKES you scum is if a cop gets an investigation on you or you flip scum after you die. You can never be 100% sure about anybody even if they slip. If you can, then you are not town.

You advised me of slipping. Presumably, you meant making a scumslip. Only scum can scumslip. Town can't do that. Hence, scumslip.

If I scumslipped, the proper course of action is to lynch me because I'm scum.

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I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

Where is your vote then?

Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.

If it's a slip, that makes me scum does it not?

It doesn't MAKE you scum, it just gives you a scum look. What MAKES you scum is if a cop gets an investigation on you or you flip scum after you die. You can never be 100% sure about anybody even if they slip. If you can, then you are not town.

You accused me of slipping. Presumably, you meant making a scumslip. Only scum can scumslip. Town can't do that. Hence, scumslip.

If I scumslipped, the proper course of action is to lynch me because I'm scum.

Edit.

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I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

No...This isn't a slip Peppy...
I usually like to push people who push slips that aren't slips hard, but this is definitely not a slip.
But he either said that for 2 reasons.
A. He actually is trying to pocket me.
B. Sarcasm. I bet it's the 2nd one.
Either way the reasons are WIFOM

Maybe I misunderestimated you.

Huh?
Okay you are definitely acting wierd.

Admitting fallibility is weird?

[-Grey-]

I don't really know what you are trying to squish out of this situation.

My point is if you think I scumslipped you need to put your vote where your mouth is.

There is no town benefit to slinging shade around without backing it up with a push.

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I would like and answer btw.

Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.

I will take that as a slip!

No...This isn't a slip Peppy...
I usually like to push people who push slips that aren't slips hard, but this is definitely not a slip.
But he either said that for 2 reasons.
A. He actually is trying to pocket me.
B. Sarcasm. I bet it's the 2nd one.
Either way the reasons are WIFOM

Maybe I misunderestimated you.

Huh?
Okay you are definitely acting wierd.

Admitting fallibility is weird?

No, you are playing wierd right now in general. I don't know what to make of it. It's not something I've seen you do before.

Reread my 259.

I always play controversially as town.

[-Grey-]

I really want Garmr to be town because I feel like if he is this will be both fun and an easy town sweep.

I hope you're town, because that "most cunning manipulator" under your name makes me paranoid.

[-Grey-]

Don't talk to me like we're strangers man. If your only reason to scumread me is 'badge makes me paranoid!' then you should know it's hardly worth mentioning at all.

Where did I say I was scumreading you?

I always have a reason for what I say. It's not always obvious what that reason is... but the truth always comes out in the end.

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I don't see any reason to scumread him. You are voting so you obviously do. Why is he scum?

Have my case

I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
And they're basicly sheep.
VOTE: Screenplay

Your case was based on five posts. Five. Posts.

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Scummy:
Anotoro, Pepchoninga

I kind of agree, but at the same time I have to wonder if at least one of them isn't lynchbait.

You have a lot of Scumleans to think this will be an easy town sweep if Garmr is town.

[-Grey-]

Hey! I'm sorry!

And I don't like that mindset you have Grey. You mentioning Lynchbaits really comes off as self-conscious.

I suggest you find another victim, because this player list isn't going to mislynch me.

[-Grey-]

It's scummy because it's something I don't see town doing.
I don't see town voting their top townread.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that does things to bait reactions.

RC could probably write a doctoral thesis on it.

[-Grey-]

I can believe that you forgot that my vote changed but that just makes this feel like you fishing for reasons to vote someone.

Look at the way he's been poking me lately, too. You ain't special!

[-Grey-]

Why does this come off as buddying RC?

Oh, I totally am.

[-Grey-]

I can believe that you forgot that my vote changed but that just makes this feel like you fishing for reasons to vote someone.

Look at the way he's been poking me lately, too. You ain't special!

Difference is I haven't voted you.

It's called laying groundwork.

Shit or get off the pot.

[-Grey-]

Why does this come off as buddying RC?

Umm, because it is buddying. It's actually making me pretty uncomfortable, not necessarily because I think Grey's scum but because I just don't like it.

Hey, you took a familiar tone with me first.

[-Grey-]

There we go, that's the Grey I know!

Did you like how I appeased you there, buddy?

[-Grey-]

There we go, that's the Grey I know!

Did you like how I appeased you there, buddy?

Okay, you're driving me crazy with your tone differences.
Why are you trying to get me to vote you?

Why would scum try to get you to vote them?

[-Grey-]

Why does this come off as buddying RC?

Umm, because it is buddying. It's actually making me pretty uncomfortable, not necessarily because I think Grey's scum but because I just don't like it.

Hey, you took a familiar tone with me first.

I did but that's not the same as making post after post glorifying the legendary RC and his multifaceted achievements. I do like your pepto vote but can you vote anotora with us for now?

I figure scummies are given for a reason. Reaction fishing and manipulation go hand in hand. Seems logical to me. *shrug*

VOTE: Anotora

[-Grey-]

There we go, that's the Grey I know!

Did you like how I appeased you there, buddy?

Okay, you're driving me crazy with your tone differences.
Why are you trying to get me to vote you?

Why would scum try to get you to vote them?

Why would scum say "Why would scum do x?"

Yes, why would they?

[-Grey-]

Frozen Angel

+ Asks the right questions to move discussion forward

So?

What has she done with the answers to those questions?

[-Grey-]

Frozen Angel

+ Asks the right questions to move discussion forward

So?

What has she done with the answers to those questions?

Not much, which is why I have a null-ish read on her.

But you didn't feel like that was worth mentioning in your reads?

[-Grey-]

-Grey-

+ Consistently good reasons for his votes, except obviously #94 is weird from my own perspective

Also, this is hilarious. My vote has bounced more than government checks.

[-Grey-]

-Grey-

<snip>
+ Consistent tone

That's just blatantly untrue, lol.

[-Grey-]

I felt like it was beside the point. I see positive value for the town in her posts so far.

Well it's not beside the point, Anotora. You know why? Because asking questions and not following up on them is busywork, and busywork is what scum loves to do to appear towny.

That you would point out how she's asking good questions but conveniently leave out the fact she's not actually processing that information tells me that there is a good chance you are scum buddies and you were avoiding incriminating her until backed into a corner.

[-Grey-]

Obvious Alt

+ Good gut read from her single post

Pending a confirmation from RC, my guy says Grey should go.

VOTE: Grey

Calling OA's scumread of your townread "good" is also lol.

[-Grey-]

Obvious Alt

+ Good gut read from her single post

Pending a confirmation from RC, my guy says Grey should go.

VOTE: Grey

Calling OA's scumread of your townread "good" is also lol.

There are thirteen players. OA can be town and be wrong about some of them.

So you're saying that wrong reads are good.

'Mkay.

[-Grey-]

I'm saying that wrong reads are miles better than the posts that Srceenplay and Pepcho have been putting out.

Town does not call a gut scumread of their townread "good".

You're digging for excuses to base reads on instead of simply reading players.

[-Grey-]

You're digging for excuses to base reads on instead of simply reading players.

A distinction without a difference.

Lolololololololololololol

[-Grey-]

Garmr is so fake - some votes here will be appreciated. (the next post he will call this omgus even though I started voting him and pushing him first - look when I called it)

Yeah, way back on post 47 for clearly RVS bullshit reasons.

VOTE: Frozen angel

Because I can start a wagon.

VOTE: Frozen angel
She has cookies that I must have

early town read on Fire bringer.

its subjected to change but its good for now. the cookie trick worked as planned.

VOTE: Garmr

No you can't cause its going to be on you

[-Grey-]

Oh look, Garmr was still voting you first even by your own logic.

[-Grey-]

My gut says
VOTE: Obvious Alt

Am I doing it right?

Garmr is not the lynch today, FA. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that.

I suggest you find someone else to push if you want to be productive.

[-Grey-]

Where did that quote even come from??

[-Grey-]

Who said I want them lynched

I don't want a lynch less than 24 hours into game. I'm pressuring and developing reads and Garmr is an interesting subject cause he is scummy.

Antoro has some stuff to answer as well. I like to develop and solidify our reads before achieving a lynch and entering the night. Don't you?

pedit : this is @grey

Your vote on Garmr is vanity and your push impotent.

If you aren't going to use your vote for a plausible push of your own, you should at least support the one that actually does have traction.

[-Grey-]

Who said I want them lynched

I don't want a lynch less than 24 hours into game. I'm pressuring and developing reads and Garmr is an interesting subject cause he is scummy.

Antoro has some stuff to answer as well. I like to develop and solidify our reads before achieving a lynch and entering the night. Don't you?

pedit : this is @grey

Your vote on Garmr is vanity and your push impotent.

If you aren't going to use your vote for a plausible push of your own, you should at least support the one that actually does have traction.

My vote made me start a conversation create a lot of unnecessary noise with him so it proved it's purpose already

FTFY

[-Grey-]

Lol @ FA treating Garmr like town while calling him scum.

That's not at all inconsistent.

[-Grey-]

If you beleive that this makes me scum and you can convince others that its from scum then so be it!

Only town can believe something makes someone scum. You are talking to Garmr like you know he's town.

[-Grey-]

+1 on leaving meatworld in meatworld.

[-Grey-]

D: I think you do know I'm more then capable and willing to attack with full strength. But I curently don't have suspects that are good enough for that, except maybe Ano. But still, I'm IN NO rush. 13 days is more then enough tho.
E: People tend to make arguments from lynches. Many times lynches that aren't thought out with good reasoning can get you a false lynch. I want to be certain in what I do.

Check out that fancy-shmancy caution tell.

[-Grey-]

Is it funny that Ano and Pep started to buss each other after the two were suspected to be scum buddies? Oh gosh, they're so obvious, don't they?

But if one flips scum, the other is obviously town right?

[-Grey-]

A counterwagon would be nice to the caught-scum.

Said no townie ever.

[-Grey-]

Shut the fuck up you worthless miller your face can be used as a pencil sharpener by a tibetan monk.

Tibetan monks don't use pencils you dumbass.
god why don't you go play some simpler game for your little brain to handle.
Maybe tic tac toe is more down your alley

This is looking like awkward flirting.

Nothing awkward at all about that flirting.

[-Grey-]

Lol, I can't follow what you wanna say. Cuz it makes zero sence really.

If you're going to insult somebody's intelligence... spell check.

[-Grey-]

Lol, I can't follow what you wanna say. Cuz it makes zero sence really.

If you're going to insult somebody's intelligence... spell check.

I wasn't insulting anybody really. I was just saying that the 2-3 posts that were discussed didn't make sence and were contradicting themselves.

Also you are one to talk about insulting...

Yo mama.

[-Grey-]

Lol, I can't follow what you wanna say. Cuz it makes zero sence really.

If you're going to insult somebody's intelligence... spell check.

I wasn't insulting anybody really. I was just saying that the 2-3 posts that were discussed didn't make sence and were contradicting themselves.

Also you are one to talk about insulting...

Also, you still need to spell check. Lol.

[-Grey-]

Lol, I can't follow what you wanna say. Cuz it makes zero sence really.

If you're going to insult somebody's intelligence... spell check.

I wasn't insulting anybody really. I was just saying that the 2-3 posts that were discussed didn't make sence and were contradicting themselves.

Also you are one to talk about insulting...

Also, you still need to spell check. Lol.

Cmon, English is not my first language and I still belive my spelling is pretty good compared to other people like me.

I think you're doing excellent for ESL.

Sense is not spelled with a c.

[-Grey-]

Alisae, you are amazingly awesome at this game and I would like to sheep all your votes for a record-breakingly fast town win, however the fact that my doing so would cause you to scumread me and in effect cause a mislynch forces me to vote suboptimally in order to survive.

I do, however, have an idea to solve the problem. If you vote the scum, and then unvote, everyone else can lynch the scum without sheeping your amazing vote.

Sound like a plan?!

[-Grey-]

Or they can just vote the person independantly with their own reasons as to why they're scum?

My plan is much simpler.

[-Grey-]

I think that Grey is just trolling you.

<3 Boxxie <3

[-Grey-]

Grey I forgot Boxxie was a meme lol.

Most adorable kid on the internet... or she was.

[-Grey-]

Dear Keyen and Screenplay
Please add shit to the game.
Love, Alisae

I'm waiting for D2 and I got my post count up just for you.

LOLWTF WHY?
Are you basicly saying that you have no stance on what is going on and that you have no reads?

Screenplay answer this.

No.
hope that answers your question.

I like your style.

[-Grey-]

...And people think my contribution is worse than his?

What does that tell you about your contribution?

[-Grey-]

Spoilsport.

[-Grey-]

^ can we lynch this now?

[-Grey-]

^ can we lynch this now?

Nope

I was asking the adults.

[-Grey-]

^ can we lynch this now?

Nope

I was asking the adults.

Sorry.

Now who can answer?

Non-lurkers.

If you want me to consider your opinion, participate.

[-Grey-]

If me talking how you want me to is the only thing keeping you from solving the game. We all are going to have problems.

You are either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem.

Are you with us, or are you with the terrorists?

[-Grey-]

Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.

Where do you get the basis for this remark about me?

[-Grey-]

Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.

Where do you get the basis for this remark about me?

Because you are a good player. I've played with good players before and being a good player means I don't trust you until I see something more solid.

What gives you the idea that I'm a good player?

Why does me being a good player make you automatically assume I'm scum unless proven otherwise?

[-Grey-]

#mine

[-Grey-]

#why

#toannoythemod

[-Grey-]

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but Srceenplay is right and Alisae is wrong in this claiming argument. Town has nothing to gain from me claiming, but scum would be happy to see me do it.

Congratulations, you just softed PR and painted a target on your forehead.

The only reason you shouldn't claim now is if you're actually VT.

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Frozen Angel, Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan}
{Srceenplay, KNPD, Alisae}
{Anotora, PeptoNinja}

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Frozen Angel, Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan}
{Srceenplay, KNPD, Alisae}
{Anotora, PeptoNinja}

I would suspect those are your reads?

Moo.

[-Grey-]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Frozen Angel, Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan, Anotora}
{Srceenplay, Alisae}
{KNPD, PeptoNinja}

[-Grey-]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

And what exactly made you do that?

I'm obviously scum hates backing my buddies into a fakeclaim.

[-Grey-]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

And what exactly made you do that?

I'm obviously scum hates backing my buddies into a fakeclaim.

Yeah sarcasm isn't doing anything atm. I just asked for answers regarding your reads. You didn't give them, that is strange. Then you change them all of a sudden and lynch me. That is strange. You put one of your top scum to null in a couple of minutes. That is very strange and inconsistent.

I bet it burns your chaps that you just can't get me lynched despite how weird my play is.

[-Grey-]

I think what happened is -Grey- realized his Alisae scumread only makes sense in a context where Alisae and I are not a scumteam.

Wrong.

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but Srceenplay is right and Alisae is wrong in this claiming argument. Town has nothing to gain from me claiming, but scum would be happy to see me do it.

Congratulations, you just softed PR and painted a target on your forehead.

The only reason you shouldn't claim now is if you're actually VT.

This post was made to WIFOM scum of Anita refused to claim.

Anotora's refusal to claim after I made this post told me that they got the point I made.

Pepto Ninja's pressuring to claim is scummy as shit because he wants that WIFOM cleared up.

[-Grey-]

I think what happened is -Grey- realized his Alisae scumread only makes sense in a context where Alisae and I are not a scumteam.

Wrong.

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but Srceenplay is right and Alisae is wrong in this claiming argument. Town has nothing to gain from me claiming, but scum would be happy to see me do it.

Congratulations, you just softed PR and painted a target on your forehead.

The only reason you shouldn't claim now is if you're actually VT.

This post was made to WIFOM scum if Anotora refused to claim.

Anotora's refusal to claim after I made this post told me that they got the point I made.

Pepto Ninja's pressuring to claim is scummy as shit because he wants that WIFOM cleared up.

Edit.

[-Grey-]

If you explain it everything will change. And even if I want to lynch you it will be harder when you actually explain your actions.

Precisely, show everyone how cautious you are in your interactions with me.

[-Grey-]

Wrong. I don't really care if he claims.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Clearly.

[-Grey-]

Wrong. I don't really care if he claims.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Clearly.

Yes I'm asking him would he. To see his reaction. I'm telling him to do it like Alisae.

And I've explained what him refusing to reveal and him doing it would do imo.

I can hardly believe I'm saying this, but Srceenplay is right and Alisae is wrong in this claiming argument. Town has nothing to gain from me claiming, but scum would be happy to see me do it.

Congratulations, you just softed PR and painted a target on your forehead.

The only reason you shouldn't claim now is if you're actually VT.

There is zero town motivation in continuing to pressure for a claim after this post.

[-Grey-]

I think Pepcho is mad at me for re-rousing -Grey-'s suspicion of him. Hah.

(Sorry for the triple post.)

Don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on the back. I never stopped scumreading him.

[-Grey-]

he didn't say that. You're kinda twisting his words here ...

No, I'm not.

He is scum until proven innocent.

[-Grey-]

Ano, don't claim.

This should help you not claim:

VOTE: Pepto Ninja

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

Nope, I'm not lynching Ano today.

Pepto Ninja is a much better vote.

[-Grey-]

I missed that sorry

Funny, it was in the post you quoted.

Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.

Where do you get the basis for this remark about me?

Because you are a good player. I've played with good players before and being a good player means I don't trust you until I see something more solid.

What gives you the idea that I'm a good player?

Why does me being a good player make you automatically assume I'm scum unless proven otherwise?

he didn't say that. You're kinda twisting his words here ...

[-Grey-]

the one you asked those questions based

False. It was a continuation of an ongoing discussion.

[-Grey-]

You're doing some mental gymnastics here if you're implying that I should have required text that was already quoted in my post to cater to you.

[-Grey-]

You're doing some mental gymnastics here if you're implying that I should have requoted text that was already quoted in my post to cater to you.

Sigh. Fixed.

[-Grey-]

pedit : no I just apologized for missing that - never said you had to do anything else. You're the one who is trying to make something out of this.

I just find it interesting that anyone could possibly consider me to be twisting Mandy's words when those very words were in the same post.

I'm just trying to figure out if it's due to inattention, which means you're bad, or manipulation, which means you're scum.

Considering your accusation was so easily debunked, it suggests that you were inattentive, and thus bad. Which I find difficult to comprehend because you don't seem bad.

Are you bad, Angel?

[-Grey-]

You can ignore 749, I was just having some fun.

[-Grey-]

I just can't ignore anything - even if you're joking. It's a part of me.

I never said I was joking. I was just giving you an opportunity to end the interaction.

Don't think I missed you selectively quoting, and thus twisting, my words... which is curious behavior coming from someone that apparently thinks that twisting words is bad.

[-Grey-]

keyenpeydee has requested a replacement.

Didn't see that coming!

[-Grey-]

[-Grey-]

Actually you know what I don't oppose a pep wagon. I just don't want my scum read anatora to fade into obscurity because people are being pussies about a subtle yet intintional power role drop with out a claim. Scums capable of doing that to lol.

Yes, but it's best to let that simmer for the time being.

Anotora is not a d1 lynch. Let scum decide whether they want to risk leaving them alive. We can always reconsider Ano d2.

Pepsi Samurai is where it's at.

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan, Anotora}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, Frozen Angel}
{KNPD, PeptoNinja}

[-Grey-]

I don't see why psp asking Ano for claim in L1 is a bad thing. I think his "this was for reaction" makes no sense though.

Too bad for your narrative that Pepto was pushing for a claim at L-2, not L-1.

[-Grey-]

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 to lynch.

Anotora (L-2) - Garmr, Srceenplay, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Alisae

L-2

VOTE: Antora

Cheesecake.

L-1

UNVOTE:

L-2

You don't get to decide how your posts are read by others, Pep. That's kind of the point of the game.

Yes I do, when you are completely shifting there meaning. This is common tactic of scum. You are shifting my comment so they can apeal to your cause when I've explained multiple times the meaning of that post.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Fishy fishy.

[-Grey-]

why did I went down in your list?

Twice now, I've caught you misrepresenting the gamestate.

If you have r/l issues I'm sorry, but you should replace out if you can't dedicate the attention the game requires. I'm not letting you skate.

[-Grey-]

now you need to

Stopped reading right there.

I don't need to do anything but find scum.

You can think whatever you want of me, that's not my concern.

[-Grey-]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... em_Lynched

Excellent reading. Highly recommended for all town because it prevents scum from being able to redirect your attention.

That said, we need more Pepto votes.

[-Grey-]

Now that I asked some you're saying I should just replace out

Lie number three.

I suggested you replace out if you couldn't devote the required attention to this game before your questions.

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan, Anotora}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, KNPD}
{Frozen Angel, PeptoNinja}

[-Grey-]

he didn't say that. You're kinda twisting his words here ...

No, I'm not.

He is scum until proven innocent.

Lie #1 debunked.

I don't see why psp asking Ano for claim in L1 is a bad thing. I think his "this was for reaction" makes no sense though.

Too bad for your narrative that Pepto was pushing for a claim at L-2, not L-1.

Busted lie #2

Now that I asked some you're saying I should just replace out

Lie number three.

I suggested you replace out if you couldn't devote the required attention to this game before your questions.

You're pathological.

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer}
{Obvious Alt, mlmooney89, kentofan, Anotora}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, Jin}
{Frozen Angel, PeptoNinja}

Corrected for replacement name.

[-Grey-]

The first is not a lie. It's a misunderstanding.

If you have r/l issues I'm sorry, but you should replace out if you can't dedicate the attention the game requires. I'm not letting you skate.

The second is not a lie. It's remembering events in different orders.

If you have r/l issues I'm sorry, but you should replace out if you can't dedicate the attention the game requires. I'm not letting you skate.

The third is practically the absolute truth and calling it a lie is just you're poor attempt for dodging my questions which is asking why the two above is scummy ^

VOTE: Grey I only omgus scum.

My proof is earlier in the very page I called you out on it. Fucking lol.

I was wondering when you'd get the balls to vote me in an attempt to change the direction off your buddy.

[-Grey-]

*chants*

Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes

[-Grey-]

*chants*

Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes

[-Grey-]

*chants*

Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes
Needs more Pep votes

[-Grey-]

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

Lie #4

I'm the one that stopped the momentum against Anotora.
There is no general view that Frozen Angel is scum.

She's desperate to discredit me because I'm pushing her buddy.

[-Grey-]

why misunderstanding and remembering events in a wrong order - when there was a reason for remembering them in wrong order (RC unvoted agian later which made me think anoto was L1 when pap asked for claim) is scummy?

But I dropped back to L2 waaayyy before Pep tried to make me claim. There should have been no confusion.

She's scum misrepresenting events. End of story.

[-Grey-]

I was remembering RC was voting you and he just unvoted when I was posting again.

Lie #5

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 to lynch.

Anotora (L-2) - Garmr, Srceenplay, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Alisae

L-2

VOTE: Antora

Cheesecake.

L-1

UNVOTE:

L-2

You don't get to decide how your posts are read by others, Pep. That's kind of the point of the game.

Yes I do, when you are completely shifting there meaning. This is common tactic of scum. You are shifting my comment so they can apeal to your cause when I've explained multiple times the meaning of that post.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Fishy fishy.

[-Grey-]

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

:thinking:

As you yourself JUST POINTED OUT, he WASN'T VOTING ANYONE when he unvoted in 736.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Pepchoninga

I think this is a slightly better wagon than Anotora although I'm still reasonably okay with both being scum.

Yeah but I'm thinking About is a d3 consideration.

Once Pepto flips red, I'm going balls to the wall to lynch fa over her desperation chainsaw today.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Pepchoninga

I think this is a slightly better wagon than Anotora although I'm still reasonably okay with both being scum.

Yeah but I'm thinking Anotora is a d3 consideration.

Once Pepto flips red, I'm going balls to the wall to lynch fa over her desperation chainsaw today.

Edit

[-Grey-]

Chainsaw on who? Pepcho? where?

She's chainsawing me because of my Pepto push.

Notice she had no problems with my weird play all day long... until after I started pushing her buddy.

[-Grey-]

grey is throwing mud on me and when I questioned the background of his reads he started to make a loop. He is scum for having reads that have no background.

Lie #6. My ISO shows time and again where I've caught you in direct lies and corrected them.

[-Grey-]

Holy AtE, Batman.

[-Grey-]

The more Pepto tires to discredit Moocow, the more I townread him.

[-Grey-]

The more Pepto tires to discredit Moocow, the more I townread him.

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

Him meaning you, not Pepto.

[-Grey-]

The more Pepto tires to discredit Moocow, the more I townread him.

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

Him meaning you, not Pepto.

You also ignore what I had to say about you.

You are absolutely correct.

[-Grey-]

That being said there pepo With his recent activity i can see him being scum.

A vote would be appreciated.

[-Grey-]

All the AtE in the world isn't going to disrupt the Pepto Lynch.

You'll get your votes on d2, sweetie.

[-Grey-]

I won't be mislynched in any day after this.

so get your fucking votes on my wagon now.

You're right about that. You won't be a mislynch.

After Pepto flips red, your motives will be crystal clear even to the skeptics that don't want to believe you'd be so desperate to derail the wagon on your buddy that you resorted to AtE after your chainsaw didn't work.

[-Grey-]

Besides the rude, blatant question-ignoring, hand waving that Grey is doing time after time and the insistence that Pepperoni Ronin be pushed to a lynch, he goes and does the quoted above. He says FA isnt viewed as scum yet he calls her scum on the same page, like two posts later. This needs to die today

Google the word general, Einstein.

I never said I didn't scumread her.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Grey

Here you go Frozen, now's your chance to swing back from ate too chainsawing again.

[-Grey-]

MY lynch is pretty possible today If you just vote me now - You're just scared though. You don't have it in you

Terrified.

Clearly, I have no balls at all.

My play this whole day has been that of a jellyfish... completely spineless.

[-Grey-]

I want town win.

If that's true, vote scum.

[-Grey-]

I was voting you

If you think I'm scum, that's where it belongs.

[-Grey-]

If I'm going to get mislynched anyway, its better to be on me to remove the wifom on me and actually make others to see my points about you.

You aren't the lynch today. Pepto is.

All the kicking and screaming in the world isn't going to change that as long as you are voting for yourself.

Your only shot at saving your buddy is to come at me head on.

[-Grey-]

It's easy to call a lie a mistake after you're called out on it.

If she can't get simple details right, she needs to replace out if she's actually town because her analysis is worthless.

The only way her staying in game after making "mistake" after "mistake" after "mistake" (six thus far) makes any sense at all is if she's scum.

[-Grey-]

Hey guys, how's life?

Vote Pepto!

[-Grey-]

Congrats you just summarized Grey's towngame.

That's just rude.

Jin misrepped me, that is why his post is scummy.

[-Grey-]

Hey guys, how's life?

Vote Pepto!

Why?

Because he's scum ofc.

[-Grey-]

Grey = house

Nope. I kinda wish people confused me with Albert B Rampage, been reading his wiki articles and he seems cool as hell.

[-Grey-]

Am I a alt?

You're an alt of Fire Assassin, right?

[-Grey-]

More Pepto votes, please.

[-Grey-]

Grey = house

Nope. I kinda wish people confused me with Albert B Rampage, been reading his wiki articles and he seems cool as hell.

House is amazing scum though.

Definitely not House, then.

I hate playing Scum.

[-Grey-]

It's easy to call a lie a mistake after you're called out on it.

If she can't get simple details right, she needs to replace out if she's actually town because her analysis is worthless.

The only way her staying in game after making "mistake" after "mistake" after "mistake" (six thus far) makes any sense at all is if she's scum.

Wouldn't scum be more so inclined than town to try extra hard not to make mistakes.

They're not mistakes. They are lies. "Mistake" was in quotes for a reason.

[-Grey-]

Know what this game needs?

Pepto votes.

[-Grey-]

No you're just being an idiot.

No she's not.

She's trying to disrupt the wagon on her buddy. After he loses a few votes, she'll act all contrite and try to renew her push on me.

I can see right through her.

[-Grey-]

I'm somewhat weary of this day phase. Can we just lynch Pepto now?

+1

[-Grey-]

VOTE: secret agent Jin

that post was so bad ... So bad

Pep answer my questions

Know what? I actually agree with you!

Considering moving my vote here, actually. Gonna finish my catch-up first, though.

[-Grey-]

actually
UNVOTE:
Let's not having you kill the convo just yet.

That's a bullshit unvote, there's been plenty of convo for d1.

[-Grey-]

And would prefer to be kept at an L-1

The town motivation for this, Pepcho??????

Lol, good question.

[-Grey-]

With that being said I feel comfortable to do this.

UNVOTE: Anotora

VOTE: -Grey-

Took you long enough, sport.

You're never lynching me, though. I can guarantee that.

[-Grey-]

FA that's the joke.

Why do you even do jokes on mafia so regularly? To mock people?

You are going to have fun if you ever get into a game with the following players:
Grey
rb
Transcend
KainTepes

I don't think Jin is really KT. If he was, I REALLY don't think he'd put the fact he's KT anywhere I could read it.

KT hates me.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Jin

Frozen's case is actually sheepable.

Inb4 Pepto points out how scummy it is for me to sheep a scumread.

[-Grey-]

Everybody gets all bent over actions and attitudes they simply do not like being scummy, and it's bullshit.

Playstyle differences don't make a person scum.
Being an asshole doesn't make somebody scum.
Being friendly and nice doesn't make somebody town.
Doing things one simply wants to see does not make somebody town.

So many players get caught up in outward appearances of actions and the personalities involved that they don't bother looking for actual scum motivation.

[-Grey-]

For example, look how big the Pepto wagon got... and over what, exactly? Pretty much nothing.

Notice there's no real counterwagon, either. The only pushback from it was an OMGUS against me, which scum would know would never pan out.

Pep wagon is a mislynch.

That's why I like Frozen's Jin vote.

[-Grey-]

You have some explaining to do.

You're so cute.

[-Grey-]

This is ehhh in so many levels. You shouldn't give an answer to the one you're testing.

#truth

[-Grey-]

Actually, I got a thoery. Only way I see this being a town strategy is maybe you never belived I was scum? You started the wagon to get scum on it and get them from there? Only thing I could think off. If it is true it is quite an ambitius idea, but if not you scream scum with all this.

It's people like you that has turned me against bothering to explain myself.

For example, if I point out how my wagon on you was a gigantic experiment, all you will do is say, "ah but you're only saying that because I brought it up first", even though you're quoting the very post where I point it out as one.

Frankly, it tempts me to return to your wagon and push you for real.

[-Grey-]

You have some explaining to do.

You're so cute.

You're not helping.

Your whining is even less productive.

[-Grey-]

Cuz you basically do whatever you want and think you can go unnoticed

Sure sport, my play this entire day has been me ducking notice and avoiding attention.

You are so samrt.

[-Grey-]

Cuz you basically do whatever you want and think you can go unnoticed

Sure sport, my play this entire day has been me ducking notice and avoiding attention.

You are so samrt.

No the whole day it's been you doing weird thing and then being cocky and sarcastic.

It sure has.

What's the scum motive in that?

[-Grey-]

What do I stand to gain as Scum by having all eyes on me, being controversial and easily criticized?

What's the payoff?

[-Grey-]

Boring.

[-Grey-]

What do you gain as Town and how does your playing contribute to the overall success of town?

Yes. What DO I gain? Aside from valuable reactions and content that would otherwise never exist if I conformed to your bullshit "this is how town behaves" personality profile?

[-Grey-]

Boring.

I answer your question, why don't you answer mine?

This is an obvious conversation stopper and that isn't a good trait.

Boring.

[-Grey-]

What do you gain as Town and how does your playing contribute to the overall success of town?

Yes. What DO I gain? Aside from valuable reactions and content that would otherwise never exist if I conformed to your bullshit "this is how town behaves" personality profile?

Ok, and have you used any of that information for anything?

Obviously.

[-Grey-]

Boring.

I answer your question, why don't you answer mine?

This is an obvious conversation stopper and that isn't a good trait.

Boring.

I will take those comments as "I don't have anything to say"

Boring.

[-Grey-]

What do you gain as Town and how does your playing contribute to the overall success of town?

Yes. What DO I gain? Aside from valuable reactions and content that would otherwise never exist if I conformed to your bullshit "this is how town behaves" personality profile?

Ok, and have you used any of that information for anything?

Obviously.

Wich is what? Am I really going to have to get your words out of your mouth?

There you go being cute assassin, thinking you can make me say something I have no intention in sharing yet.

I don't care about your vote being on me. You've decided to waste your vote instead of using it on Scum so any further dialogue with you is a waste of time.

Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

This is the post of scum that knows they're voting for a mislynch and justifying a d2 follow-up mislynch.

If you can't see the obvious scum motive in that post, you aren't worth my time.

[-Grey-]

What do you gain as Town and how does your playing contribute to the overall success of town?

Yes. What DO I gain? Aside from valuable reactions and content that would otherwise never exist if I conformed to your bullshit "this is how town behaves" personality profile?

Ok, and have you used any of that information for anything?

Obviously.

Wich is what? Am I really going to have to get your words out of your mouth?

There you go being cute again, thinking you can make me say something I have no intention in sharing yet.

I don't care about your vote being on me. You've decided to waste your vote instead of using it on Scum so any further dialogue with you is a waste of time.

Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

This is the post of scum that knows they're voting for a mislynch and justifying a d2 follow-up mislynch.

If you can't see the obvious scum motive in that post, you aren't worth my time.

Edit.

[-Grey-]

Hell, even Frozen saw it and she was screaming for my head on a platter before that post, so...

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer, Frozen Angel}
{Obvious Alt, kentofan, Anotora, Pepto Ninja}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, mlmooney89}
{Jin}

Reads without the head games.

[-Grey-]

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.

Get over it.

[-Grey-]

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer, Frozen Angel}
{Obvious Alt, kentofan, Anotora, Pepto Ninja}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, mlmooney89}
{Jin}

Reads without the head games.

Why do you have RC so high on your list? Don't you think his constant voting and unvoting is pretty strange?

Obviously I don't.

I read him as town because he saw something I expected him to see and responded in a town manner to what he saw.

No. I'm not going to clarify.

[-Grey-]

There's your problem, Pepto.

You expect to be able to make tea that can be cast in stone on day one.

That's simply foolish.

Of everything I've seen this far, RC and Garmr are be far the towniest... but that doesn't mean I'm never going to vote for them in the future if I find out they're scumlords.