Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

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tea = reads, lol

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Reads change, but not as fast as yours. At least I don't think they should. But that's another topic.

It's day one.

Anyone that has sticky reads day one is more suspicious to me than players who are all over the place, because the players that are going all over the place are actually trying to figure it out and day one has nothing solid to base sticky reads ON.

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As much as I like to see RC live, you all must know that if he is scum this game is already lost

Nah.

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Grey; You simply can't call your whole game-play and pov a way for testing people.

Sure I can. It's what town DOES.

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Whose alt are you? o.o

I'm really curios to know.

I'm not an alt.

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Grey; You simply can't call your whole game-play and pov a way for testing people.

Sure I can. It's what town DOES.

Nah

Yah.

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I don't believe you.

and yeah they test people and stuff; They don't practically claim everything about their reads are lies in the way you did. That's just absurd.

I didn't claim everything about my results were lies, that's Lie#7

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I don't believe you.

and yeah they test people and stuff; They don't practically claim everything about their reads are lies in the way you did. That's just absurd.

I didn't claim everything about my reads were lies, that's Lie#7

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Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

In the event of a scum lynch, please look here, because this is probably a bus.

In the event Jin flips red, please lynch here because this is probably distancing.

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For example, look how big the Pepto wagon got... and over what, exactly? Pretty much nothing.

Notice there's no real counterwagon, either. The only pushback from it was an OMGUS against me, which scum would know would never pan out.

Pep wagon is a mislynch.

That's why I like Frozen's Jin vote.

Here you called you're whole case about pep a trick

For example, if I point out how my wagon on you was a gigantic experiment, all you will do is say, "ah but you're only saying that because I brought it up first", even though you're quoting the very post where I point it out as one.

Here you practically claimed you weren't even scumreading pep in the first place

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{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer, Frozen Angel}
{Obvious Alt, kentofan, Anotora, Pepto Ninja}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, mlmooney89}
{Jin}

Reads without the head games.

and here you literally just said the last read lists - which I was so sure they were fake cause you weren't providing logical reason for making them the way you were - were fake.

I'm not playing that lie game with you again. You're just too fake

In all three of those scenarios, I'm referring to my Pepto read. Not ALL MY READS.

So yes. Lie #7.

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You mean aliesa is planning to use pep probably green flip as a tool to hide Jin scumminess?

Why does town assume bus when they read Jin's post when Jin was obviously gearing up to vote the vocal player that pushed the d1 wagon on d2?

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anotora assumed bus as well

why your logic won't apply to them?

Why do you assume it doesn't instead of ask if I even saw the post?

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What I'm getting from this generally is that SAJ is overeager to lynch. That is bad. Thanks for the expansion/clarification, FA.

This doesn't look like a bus assumption.

Please quote it.

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cause anotora is in a higher tier than aliese in your read list and that "you missed their post" is not the default assumption about stuff

here :

Well, FA, since Pepcho is now defending SAJ's approach, I'm gonna go with bus rather than just anti-town.

I've been reading Alisae as a scumlean before the bus post.

Also, Anotora's assumption is not a knee-jerk reaction at the time of the vote, it was based on Pepcho's reaction to Jin's vote.

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"you missed their post" is not the default assumption about stuff

You shouldn't be making assumptions period. It's that kind of projecting that leads to mislynches.

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why alisae was a scum lean before that post?

Refer to 190.

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I know what hes saying FA.
Hey Grey, question.
Fun question. Grey, would you scumread this person for this post:
viewtopic.php?p=8550184#p8550184

If you wanna read context that's fine honestly.

Not at all. Why would I?

Also, how is that relevant to this game?

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A read which PoE played a large part in.

Apples and oranges.

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Didn't say I townread him.

Just said I wouldn't lynch him over that one post.

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Just like I had no interest in lynching you over that one post.

It didn't sit right with me, but it's not enough to hang a vote on. Hence the reason you weren't in the bottom tier.

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Well you are right he was a PR.

Since you think Jin was bussing in his Pep vote, why a you voting Jin now?

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Aren't*

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Pepto, who is Scum?

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Pepto, who is Scum?

I still belive that Ano and Srceenplay still have good chances of being scum. I also haven't stopped doubting you either.

Jin is also pretty fishy from the little posts he has made so far, tho I want to see more from him before I deside where to put my vote.

You're begging me to vote you again with all this caution.

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What do you mean?

I want to see what Jin will post as an explanation for his actions and then I will lynch him.

I mean it's not like he's anywhere near being close to lynched and more pressure provides better responses.

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Key replaced out as scum all the time.

Literally, all the time?

If they always replace out as scum, that is a disturbing way to read them.

Not saying anything against you for noticing it, I'm talking about keyen, here.

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Hard to believe you think there was actually motive to feign objection and keep a no lynch as an option on the table.
And the "bye bye, RVS" addendum gives me scum vibes

You so judgey.

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Yep, he did.
Key replaced out as scum all the time.

Anywho we know there is scum in the most active players and someone is pushing the buttons.

How do we know that, now?

Well from my experience scum wants us to be too lazy to back track through 50+ pages to find their weak points. Push the convo along and builds up protection on you.

From my experience, the more content scum creates, the more opportunities they have to get caught.

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Hard to believe you think there was actually motive to feign objection and keep a no lynch as an option on the table.
And the "bye bye, RVS" addendum gives me scum vibes

You so judgey.

Whoever said you seem like a House alt...I tend to mildly agree

And registration date makes sense. Annoying to be on a proxy all the time I imagine

No proxy here.

This harassment is getting a little old though.

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Jin, I'm sorry about your luck dude. key pretty much sealed your fate.

It's a dickish move to doom someone simply because you don't like playing scum. I HATE playing scum but I suck it up and deal with it.

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I have a lot more faith in Jin flipping scum than Pepto.

And when he does, it will pretty much clear Pepto.

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I have a lot more faith in Jin flipping scum than Pepto.

And when he does, it will pretty much clear Pepto.

Me and grey agree
#thehorror

If that's true, why would you offer to sacrifice a player that would be cleared with a red flip?

I'll give you pepcho today if you follow on Jin tomorrow.

#Lininguplybches

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Grey, get off of SAJ, the fuck. Do you really think that FA is going to this much effort to bus a slot like that?

oh so your reads are based on your scumread on me and you won't vote me day 1 even when I asked you to and told you it's ok.

This is scum RC

His willingness to flutter from wagon to wagon with me until the Jin push and then sudden resistance based on nothing has me believing you're right and he's defending his buddy.

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I don't care who is town and who is scum, I am not spending my time in this game defending myself. vote me or don't.

Why do you think we'd vote you today?

Jin is the lynch today, because key doomed his slot AND he lined up my mislynch for d2 in his Pepto vote which will pretty much clear Pepto on his red flip.

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I have a lot more faith in Jin flipping scum than Pepto.

And when he does, it will pretty much clear Pepto.

Me and grey agree
#thehorror

If that's true, why would you offer to sacrifice a player that would be cleared with a red flip?

I'll give you pepcho today if you follow on Jin tomorrow.

#Lininguplybches

Because I am not sold on any of my reads day one?
My reads day one are usually weak so I am willing to compromise more.

But why would you sacrifice a slot that would be cleared with a red flip?

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VOTE: Grey

This slot needs to be dead. I still think it's town but if this guy stays alive the game is most likely a town loss because scum aren't nightkilling him ever.

Lol @ voting a townread.

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I currently think the scumteam is FA/Pepto/Jhin, yes.

Bullshit.

You had all the kindling in the world to ignite an FA lynch earlier and you explicitly refused to do so.

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I currently think the scumteam is FA/Pepto/Jhin, yes.

Lol... But you're calling the wagon on him terrible and fighting it!

Lmao...

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I currently think the scumteam is FA/Pepto/Jhin, yes.

Bullshit.

You had all the kindling in the world to ignite an FA lynch earlier and you explicitly refused to do so.

Wait you're saying that if I asked my favorite hydra partner and one of my favourite players in general to play a game I won't want to lynch them day 1?

Shit excuse. Scum is scum.

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Yes, the wagon on him is terrible because Pepto is a way better wagon and I don't like how tomorrow will pan out if I'm correct about the scumteam.

Do I ever make sense to anyone who isn't me?

A Jin red flip would suggest that you are wrong about your Pepto read.

Instead of wanting to Lynch Jin to clarify your read on Pepto, you resort to voting a town read.

Yeah .. that makes complete sense!

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After MoI nearly threw the game that I didn't PL him when he disagreed with me and my townbloc's agreement on who scum was, I decided that I would not leave people alive if I think they're more dangerous to town than scum are.

You are in that category, regardless of alignment. I'm also not particularly convinced that you're town.

That would be 100000% more believable if I was pushing outside of your stated scumreads.

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That would be 100000% more believable if I was pushing outside of your stated scumreads.

He means you won't ever vote me, that's why he is saying your dangerous to town

which is really sweet! cause he won't vote me as well!

Like holy crap RC.

Want to see something else that's really sweet?

I'm so convinced in my Jin and RC reads right now that I'm gonna claim.

I'm Weak Vanilla Cop.

Tonight, I need you to rolestop me so I can check RC. When I wake up dead, he's the defacto d2 lynch.

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That would be 100000% more believable if I was pushing outside of your stated scumreads.

He means you won't ever vote me, that's why he is saying your dangerous to town

which is really sweet! cause he won't vote me as well!

Like holy crap RC.

Precisely, his claim only makes sense if Jin and Pepto are both dead and I'm pushing not!you

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SAJ is the scum counterwagon to the lynch on Pepchoninga.

No, SAJ's two slots are the ones who could be dumb town. Pepchoninga is pure unadulterated scum motivation through and through.

I currently think the scumteam is FA/Pepto/Jhin, yes.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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That would be 100000% more believable if I was pushing outside of your stated scumreads.

He means you won't ever vote me, that's why he is saying your dangerous to town

which is really sweet! cause he won't vote me as well!

Like holy crap RC.

Want to see something else that's really sweet?

I'm so convinced in my Jin and RC reads right now that I'm gonna claim.

I'm Weak Vanilla Cop.

Tonight, I need you to rolestop me so I can check RC. When I wake up dead, he's the defacto d2 lynch.

Ummm a vanilla cop just checks if your vanilla or not......

Weak, bro.

Weak.

You aren't this noob.

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At this point I think we should just lynch RC and be done with him, but I'm fine with either of Jin or RC.

If we lynch RC first, town can direct my check and we'll lynch Jin d2 unless I die.

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At this point I think we should just lynch RC and be done with him, but I'm fine with either of Jin or RC.

If we lynch RC first, town can direct my check and we'll lynch Jin d2 unless I die.

Where's the vote?

On Jin currently, because that's where the support is.

I'm not going to disrupt the Jin wagon if people don't want to lynch RC.

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VOTE: RC

Lynch Grey unconditionally tomorrow.

You're so full of shit dude.

If you were town, you'd vote Jin because me checking you would confirm you're town.

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VOTE: RC

I smell scum surrender. Town!RC would have voted his Jin scumread and reveled in conftown stairs d2.

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Status*

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I think we should just have grey check RC. Problem is if Frozen is scum that essentially gives scum easy way to frame RC.....
Why the fuck did you claim again?

I was never going to live to d3 anyway.

RC scumclaimed by self-voting instead of supporting the wagon on his supposed scumread.

He has done everything to avoid voting Jin while also calling him Scum.

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You could confirm me and my claim with your ability tonight and we could use my 1 shot ability in n2.

There was a good chance that you weren't in danger of getting killed tonight.

No, you're getting killed tonight unless there is a second protective which I doubt.

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FA, you being a claimed PR means you won't get anywhere near LyLo/MyLo one way or the other.

Checking you would be a waste because you're already doomed.

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FA, you being a claimed PR means you won't get anywhere near LyLo/MyLo one way or the other.

Checking you would be a waste because you're already doomed.

well it would mod confirm your next check

So will my flip.

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Anywho, I'm parked on RC. There is zero town motive in voting a townread AND HIMSELF over a scumread, especially when he knows he'd be confirmed town d2 if he lynched Jin today.

There is zero explanation for his behavior that makes him town.

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No, I mean your check is dependent on "me being town" and people will argue now that your check is only valid when I'm town.

If there is a vigilant in game please shoot me tonight so Grey check gets modconfirmed

Scum is killing you tonight, it would be stupid for a vig to waste their bullet on you.

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FA, if you're town you are rolestopping Garmr overnight. Just lynch Grey tomorrow.

what

RC lost all right to have his opinions considered when he voted himself over a scumread.

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I'm obviously scum fakeclaiming cop because that's the best way to extend my lifespan.

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Also, Grey, you're forgetting the pivotal fact that I am RC and the majority of this game knows what that means. Your lynch will immediately follow mine.

I'm looking forward to gloating over how I caught the master manipulator on d1 in the dead thread.

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:/

If your saying the thing I'm thinking you say please read again my post in last page RC

He's squirming scum, FA.

He voted HIMSELF over a SCUMREAD knowing he'd be conftown d2 if I LIVED.

Me as scum never says me being alive confirms another player as TOWN.

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:/

If your saying the thing I'm thinking you say please read again my post in last page RC

He's squirming scum, FA.

He voted HIMSELF over a SCUMREAD knowing he'd be conftown d2 if I LIVED.

Me as scum never says me being alive confirms another player as TOWN.

I understand your points but I have a frightening theory atm that I like RC to understand it, confirm or deny.

It's past the point of mattering what he might claim because this entire mess would have been avoided if he had simply voted Jin... a player he supposedly scumreads.

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I am VT.

In other news, when the box came to me, there were TWO DIAMONDS and ONE WHITE TOKEN.
I took the WHITE TOKEN.

Prove that the box could not go to scum.

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Though I'm still more confident in Jin being scum

I promise you, I'm going to steamroll him d2.

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Grey Senpai Carry me.

I might have weird ways, but you can't deny they get results.

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{Firebringer, Frozen Angel}
{Garmr, Alisae}
{Obvious Alt, kentofan, Anotora, Pepto Ninja}
{Srceenplay, mlmooney89}
{Jin, RadiantCowbells}

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Im calling it right now, we have what? 3-4 scum? Grey and RC, maybe Ano. Im going to sleep, i have too much to do to prepare to get on a greyhound on monday. Ill probably be absent the majority of tomorrow.

Lol, scumclaim reads.

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VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

Riddle me this, FA... why does town vote themselves over a scumread when they know they'll be confirmed town d2 if they lynch that scumread?

Get the hell back on RC.

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I'm not wasting my one investigation on RC when he's blatant scum.

You're telling me to die for no reason and that's just stupid.

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I'm not wasting my one investigation on RC when he's blatant scum.

You're telling me to die for no reason and that's just stupid.

RC does the same emotional thing and weird justification as either alignment as I said. There was a time when he couldn't reach day 2 as he was always N1 kill as town. him saying I won't vote x even if I scumread them cause you won't lynch y after me is his thing.

unsettling but true. I'm way more confident with Jin flip

That does not justify voting himself when he knows he'll be conftown d2.

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Here's the thing, FA.

I'm not moving my vote today. Period. I'm not investigating RC tonight. Period.

Lynch RC today. If he flips green, I'll own that and you can spend the rest of your life telling me what a shit player I am.

Because rest assured, I WILL blame you for the loss if you let RC get by with acting like a total scumfuck and he goes on to win the game.

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but the weak modifier is a self-inflicted passive death if you target mafia. not like that player is getting targeted by a night action.

So you think mafia wouldn't target me to prevent my results?

Herp De Derp.

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... just vote RC and wait for d2.

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First this day won't end before you claiming who you're going to target in any manner

second as I said I like to have FB's opinion about RC

{insert foot stomping, migraine-inducing tantrum}

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Like I think it's just fine.

View RC or tell me why town self-votes instead of voting a scumread when they know they'll be conftown d2.

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Like I think it's just fine.

Vote RC or tell me why town self-votes instead of voting a scumread when they know they'll be conftown d2.

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he was thinking I was scum and I would kill you to frame him then.

That's bullshit because NK has different kill flavor from passive death.

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Did you know "Herp De Derp" in that exact syntax has only ever been used by two player on MS. House and -Grey-

couldn't resist

Dude sounds like a legend, monopolizing memes and shit.

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He was practically you; who is now permabanned

pedit sure in a minute

There are differences, from what I've read about him.

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What I still can't process from RC and this was discussed a few pages ago.
Why was he so against Jin lynch if he scumread him along with peri and you.

I told him I'd help lynch pepto today for that tomorrow.
Which should be reasonable enough to agree to.

His whole lynch this person tomorrow that isn't even a scumread sounds like RC just being RC but is very anti town.
The conversation between you two is....inconclusive really. How strong do you think he is scumread? Cause it looked like he moved up your reads list not down after?

My gut says RC is town but my gut doesn't feel good about it a lot of this stuff....

What about the fact he's still not voting any of his stated scumreads?

RC has been bullshitting the entire game.

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I'd prefer a check on RC tonight but like me and panther pointed out there's potential problems for whoever grey checks.
And now grey doesn't want to do that >.>

Why can't we lynch Jin?

Ask RC. I was all about a Jin lynch until RC decided he'd rather self-vote than lynch Jin.

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Idk if RC was scum I expect some more I don't know more "in control" if that makes sense?

Personally, I think he's just leaning on his scummy to get by with blatant, obvscum b/s.

Jin was busted as scum for things that, sadly, he has no control over... and RC has been doing cartwheels attempting damage control.

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ITT: RC has to resort to ad hom because he can't manipulate me.

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Dude come on.

He has zero interest in trying to work with me even though he knows I'm town.

Sounds like scum to me.

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Jin is the only other possible Lynch for today.

You might as well swallow your pride and bus your buddy, because one of you WILL go down today.

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(he says with no vote)

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Who is up for lynch D2 when i flip green? Im not selfhammering because that would be anti-town.

Probably RC, since I'll be dead.

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As long as you are dead i am content

If he dies, he dies as a Town weak cop who is confirming someone as scum.

what the hell are you talking about!

It's called "sour grapes scum".

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his general overall ego-filled attitude.

But it's creamy goodness!

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VOTE: Jin

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VOTE: Jin

Hmmm, why the sudden change?

Lol.

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Anyone want to bet there life on this vote?

Yup.

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You can't threaten me, homie.

God's army has naught to fear from the forces of evil.

The power of Christ compels you!
The power of Christ compels you!

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Grey, I think we need the holy hand gernade. It's teeth are like fangs.

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy."

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LOL

IT is! But You just screwd up because we already have a Miller and a 1 shot role stopper claim and a weak vanilla cop.

You're role is practically scum utility!

LOL

Anotora also softed a PR.

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VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

No. Get the hell back on Jin.

Nothing helps town more than scum death

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Also it's a gambit.

VOTE: Alisae
Lynch all liars.

Trying to start a policy lynch when Jin is at L-1.
FA, what does this read to you as?

I think it's REALLY INTERESTING that you're specifically asking FA for an opinion.

I think it's REALLY SCUMMY that you're trying to disrupt Jin's wagon.

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Patterns I'm seeing:
Anotora was only on the Pep wagon.
Grey, RC, Me, and Garmr were on all wagons.
Screenplay only shows up on the Anotora Wagon.
Firebringer only shows up on the SAJ wagon.
FA doesn't appear to be on the Pep wagon at this time. Maybe she was I just don't remember if Pep was put at L-1 at a different time with FA on it.
SAJ was only on the Pep wagon. I also remember Keyen hopping on Pep as well.

Some context: RC's arm was twisted until it nearly broke before he joined the Jin wagon.

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waiting for -Grey- to declare a target, of course.

Already did.

Who is up for lynch D2 when i flip green? Im not selfhammering because that would be anti-town.

Probably RC, since I'll be dead.

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I am so, so confused at why people think SAJ flipping red will prove Pepcho innocent.

Jin voted Pepto to line up his d2 push on me.

If he was bussing, he wouldn't have been screaming for my head on a green flip.

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VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

I think you are just mimicking FA at this point. We all know you ain't gonna keep that lynch, so It's basically a way to manipulate the situation to your liking.

FTFY.

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Leaving this for reference
Ano wagon at it's peak
Anotora (L-1) - Garmr, Srceenplay, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Alisae

Pep wagon at it's peak
Pepchoninga (L-1) - Anotora, -Grey-, Alisae, RadiantCowbells, Garmr, SAJ

SAJ wagon at it's peak
Secret Agent Jin (L-1) - Firebringer, Frozen Angel, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Alisae, Garmr

That is good, but how does it help us exactly?

Why do you say it's good then question its utility?

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I really believe in my heart that Pep is town.

why you voted him?

I voted him because Grey was pushing against him so hard that i knew when he flipped town i could push a Grey wagon very easily.

"I purposefully shot for a mislynch so that I could push a certain player's wagon easily the next day."

That is not a town motivation! That is a scum motivation! Scum!

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner!

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-Grey- lives and we get a semiconfirmed town.

Semi, my ass.

If I live, it's mod-confirmation my target is town.

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Lynch Jin already. This day is plenty long enough.

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VOTE: Jin

Ok so that's the hammer

Lynch Gamma tomorrow

Unless I die tonight, sure.

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Yeah

in that case lynch gamma the day three

Zomg lining up lynches!

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I have reasons to do so!

Lining lynched is never good honestly.

Her posts are fine.

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?

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Quick tip about the handling of outed wolves...

Lynch them

It's really sad that this actually needs to be said.

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Hmmm, what do I do if I haven't received a confirmation from someone

That's why I'd base Mafia thread release on objections instead of confirmations.

No objections noted = release thread.


It puts the onus on the players instead of you.