Mini Normal 1866: Landmark Mafia! (Mafia Victory!)

[Frozen Angel]

And I already told you why. Firstly his sudden lynch on me. I don't read him for lynching me, but for:
1: not giving a reasonable explanation for the lynch
2: ignoring the questions I had regarding the situation.
Another things that triggered me were his reads. As previously said he was changing them every couple of posts. Really strange. And then you add some of the other arguments I read from your argument with him and I have solid reasons to grow a SR on him.

Still your conversations ended pages ago. These new pages added nothing that you could possibly use to develop your opinion about him.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean I guess that's an argument for me and -Grey- being a scumteam, if you had legit reasons to scumread me in the first place, before all this business.

Well yes, I did. If you'd like to hear I will make a post about it. My opinion on you hasn't really changed. A scum partnership between you two is possible. Yes, this could be an argument for that, but I'm not acusing you of being scum buddies.

(quote bolded by myself)

The fact that you haven't already made a post about it says a lot about us both.

and he didn't quote the posts he was supposed to qutoe

[Frozen Angel]

The ones you promised you would regarding anotora

[Frozen Angel]

And so what? Just because there are new pages, doesn't mean the old ones are erased. And he hasn't acted much different so I don't know why you are even bringing this up.

tell me where you settled down on your scum read on grey

pedit : You promised you would quote anotora posts which were showing they were calm and had no fear of getting lynched when grey started pushing you.

and what comments do you like to hear? I genuinely think your case is fake and is just an attempt to look constant. I don't like the way you shwn intrest over saj comment and skipped my questions there repeatedly. I thought that's obvious.

[Frozen Angel]

look consistent* by the way not constant - phone auto correction

and sure will check it soon.

[Frozen Angel]

I have seprate independent concerns about RC and Grey as well but not for even similar reasons. I'm sorry if you felt I'm trying to harass you but me asking questions repeatedly is to check your consistency and the fact if you believe it or not.

can you tell me by saying a post number? Just somehow tell me - after this I felt grey is likely scum and not null.

[Frozen Angel]

I read 28 and 29

I don't see that. Anotora was just literally continuing their already well defined case and push on you and they were consistent with their stance for not claiming. I didn't see the behavioral change you are repeatedly referring to. if there is any specific post that gave you that impression please quote it.

[Frozen Angel]

No you're just being an idiot.

No she's not.

She's trying to disrupt the wagon on her buddy. After he loses a few votes, she'll act all contrite and try to renew her push on me.

I can see right through her.

stop throwing shade. Me - you interaction were completely independent from anotora pepe and its practically obvious.

You still have questions to answer and you're independently a scum read of mine. probably with saj. - I hate partner hunting before flips though.

oh and the offer still stands. consider me voting myself as well.

[Frozen Angel]

oh and if by any chance you're town "no you can't "

There is a list of name in my notebooks who claim they have me in bag and stuff but they just suck at that - as in every game we play they failed.

[Frozen Angel]

I can confirm that jin is not KT and I'm 90% sure that Jin is not an alt. he is no newbie though.

[Frozen Angel]

For example, look how big the Pepto wagon got... and over what, exactly? Pretty much nothing.

Notice there's no real counterwagon, either. The only pushback from it was an OMGUS against me, which scum would know would never pan out.

Pep wagon is a mislynch.

That's why I like Frozen's Jin vote.

This makes no sense.

[Frozen Angel]

Actually, I got a thoery. Only way I see this being a town strategy is maybe you never belived I was scum? You started the wagon to get scum on it and get them from there? Only thing I could think off. If it is true it is quite an ambitius idea, but if not you scream scum with all this.

You have some explaining to do.

Why your explaining a theory if you wish for his explanation?

[Frozen Angel]

so why you're not thinking quietly so you can actually evaluate his answer with that?

This is ehhh in so many levels. You shouldn't give an answer to the one you're testing.

[Frozen Angel]

As much as I like to see RC live, you all must know that if he is scum this game is already lost

anyway,

Grey; You simply can't call your whole game-play and pov a way for testing people. You simply are not allowed to do that in any manner as either alignment. It's lame and not believable. It feels dodgy and incredibly fake. And you know what? You can't skate from this!

I like to see where is this behavior heading toward and what others think of this crap.

[Frozen Angel]

Whose alt are you? o.o

I'm really curios to know.

[Frozen Angel]

Grey; You simply can't call your whole game-play and pov a way for testing people.

Sure I can. It's what town DOES.

Nah

[Frozen Angel]

I don't believe you.

and yeah they test people and stuff; They don't practically claim everything about their reads are lies in the way you did. That's just absurd.

[Frozen Angel]

For example, look how big the Pepto wagon got... and over what, exactly? Pretty much nothing.

Notice there's no real counterwagon, either. The only pushback from it was an OMGUS against me, which scum would know would never pan out.

Pep wagon is a mislynch.

That's why I like Frozen's Jin vote.

Here you called you're whole case about pep a trick

For example, if I point out how my wagon on you was a gigantic experiment, all you will do is say, "ah but you're only saying that because I brought it up first", even though you're quoting the very post where I point it out as one.

Here you practically claimed you weren't even scumreading pep in the first place

{-Grey-}
{RadiantCowbells, Garmr}
{Firebringer, Frozen Angel}
{Obvious Alt, kentofan, Anotora, Pepto Ninja}
{Srceenplay, Alisae, mlmooney89}
{Jin}

Reads without the head games.

and here you literally just said the last read lists - which I was so sure they were fake cause you weren't providing logical reason for making them the way you were - were fake.

I'm not playing that lie game with you again. You're just too fake

[Frozen Angel]

Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

In the event of a scum lynch, please look here, because this is probably a bus.

In the event Jin flips red, please lynch here because this is probably distancing.

You mean aliesa is planning to use pep probably green flip as a tool to hide Jin scumminess?

pedit : I was talking in general about town players that they won't lie about everything about their reads. Your a town player and pep is a read which you lied about every aspect of your read on him so #thumbdown7

[Frozen Angel]

anotora assumed bus as well

why your logic won't apply to them?

[Frozen Angel]

cause anotora is in a higher tier than aliese in your read list and that "you missed their post" is not the default assumption about stuff

here :

Well, FA, since Pepcho is now defending SAJ's approach, I'm gonna go with bus rather than just anti-town.

[Frozen Angel]

that makes sense

why alisae was a scum lean before that post? - sorry but I really can't remember your points about them

pedit : ^o.o^

[Frozen Angel]

huh

[Frozen Angel]

Well you are right he was a PR.

Since you think Jin was bussing in his Pep vote, why a you voting Jin now?

Lie !!!!

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin
My vote is going here on the meantime.

#joking

[Frozen Angel]

seriously; though I like Jin more than pep but I don't understand how you're this confident pep is town over that naked vote.

aliese was scumreading keyen slot even before jin replace in - so I don't see you're point about him being opportunistic.

[Frozen Angel]

I think he just missed it.

that's the joke.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't said that in that post.

You are a scum lean yes. I don't like the way you suddenly presented a case on Grey after us pushing Jin. The timings don't match up - as you said grey was null (up and down kinda null) but now he got a scumread - when all your points were old and You even expressed agreement with someone else for same reasons but you never expressed those as a reason to scumreading Grey before then.

Plus I didn't like the way you reffered to you asking claim as a reaction test.

These two reasons are my main concerns about you atm.

[Frozen Angel]

@Mandy They usually last till the very end of 2 weeks but they're not usually this active.

[Frozen Angel]

Yay

[Frozen Angel]

But... But... I thought as soon as we lynch someone the day is done. These games are normal to play out the entire two weeks for day one?

Usually people are more silent than this - so they get a lynch done late. Well, games are different. I saw flash lynching someone in page 3 in a game of mafia as well. It really depend of the game and players in it.

and yes the day will end with a lynch

[Frozen Angel]

Hmmm I want to go here for now:
VOTE: Obvious alt

Uuuu, strange vote, tho I am interested where did the guy go. He said he will come and catch up, yet he is nowhere to be found.

Oh no he hasn't posted for one day he must be lurking

Fixed quote tag :)

@mod this is still messed up btw

I FIXED IT ALL NOW.
*sighs*
I need a cookie.

[Frozen Angel]

and I messed it up more

wellp

[Frozen Angel]

I need a cookie.

sure!

[Frozen Angel]

hello panther!

[Frozen Angel]

sure alisae!

hello panther!

Hey. Your name is familiar but I'm not recalling that we've played a game - do you know if we have?

I've been around a lot. I played like 50 games past year onsite so it's not really impossible if we did - but I can't recall if any.

[Frozen Angel]

Fire what is your read on Jin

have you read my case on him?

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen angel is ALL the games.

nope. All the games are frozen angel.

[Frozen Angel]

let me quote the case and the post in question for you

[Frozen Angel]

Ill vote Pepito but i swear if he flips green then i will have to be carried out on my shield before i ever stop pushing the Grey wagon the rest of the game.

VOTE: Pepchoninga

You say you believe pep is town and you want to lynch him to justify your pushing grey in a next day. and your entire case on grey had no relation to pep at all - It was all about my slot.

VOTE: secret agent Jin

that post was so bad ... So bad

Pep answer my questions

FA, I'm not seeing the post where SAJ reads Pepcho as town. Yes, SAJ ought to put more explanation into his vote, but it's not as scummy as if he had contradicted his own read.

- He is voting pep cause people said they want to move on with the day - but his slot has no reason to want that - contradiction #1
- His case on grey in this post

Besides the rude, blatant question-ignoring, hand waving that Grey is doing time after time and the insistence that Pepperoni Ronin be pushed to a lynch, he goes and does the quoted above. He says FA isnt viewed as scum yet he calls her scum on the same page, like two posts later. This needs to die today

perfectly implies that he is unsatisfied with greys pep push. - he practically contradicted his own case by voting like that.

- The case was bout how grey was mocking me and insisting on pep scummy. he is saying a pep lynch will justify his read on Grey is another contradiction.

[Frozen Angel]

aliese thinks it can be a bus on pep and I can't remove that as a possibility spescially looking at how pep reacted before and after that post.

Grey thinks aliese was trying to distance from Jin by proposing its a bus and a pep lynch will prove jin's agenda (pep was main wagon then - think it is still not sure on VC)

I like to know your opinion on these ^

[Frozen Angel]

and grey practically claimed his whole stance against pep (and me - kinda/ it felt that way though he denied it later) was a reaction test that I have a hard time believing it.

pedit : yeah, He just used grey thing as a excus for voting like that I don't believe even he believed in what he said at all (look how he contradicted himself from his last post (the quoted post from him in my case)).

[Frozen Angel]

Grey, get off of SAJ, the fuck. Do you really think that FA is going to this much effort to bus a slot like that?

oh so your reads are based on your scumread on me and you won't vote me day 1 even when I asked you to and told you it's ok.

This is scum RC

[Frozen Angel]

And don't get me wrong: I think that Key's play pre-replace out was pretty scummy but I'm fine with SAJ's play so far.

Get your asses back on Pepchoninga.

You didn't even refereed to my points about SAJ. That post was terrible and scummy as fuck. what is the underline is going to even mean?

[Frozen Angel]

Evereyone who can Iso saj can see he pretty much did no shit but voting grey after joining the game cause he was rude and he was dodging questions, then sheeping your attempt to end the day when for his slot - He shoulcn't have any desire to do that when he did no crap day 1. and You were pushing a flash wagon when a slot in game was totally empty.

Your play makes zero sense

[Frozen Angel]

Oh are you trying to force me to test my own medicine?

I don't want you to defend yourself. I want you to defend and push your case and points.

Is that so much to ask?

@Aliese I don't do preflip assosciation assumptions, never cause I know there is a decent chance for them being total crap.

Pep had 2 scummy moments in this game - when he made that grey case and when he called asking for claim a reaction test.

[Frozen Angel]

terrible reasoning.

Did you read my post about him?

pedit : I know you will be like this even if your scum so I want to read you based on the game not who you are, Is that unacceptable for you?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Grey

This slot needs to be dead. I still think it's town but if this guy stays alive the game is most likely a town loss because scum aren't nightkilling him ever.

I think this post is posted based on your assumption that I'm scum. If not please clarify. If yes Your vote means nothing till I'm alive so vote me instead if your truthful.

[Frozen Angel]

But why would you sacrifice a slot that would be cleared with a red flip?

To get people to work together you gotta make concessions and that means sacrifices man. Not optimal but hey that's the game.

Fire tell annie to vote me cause he is screaming I'm scum and he is soving the whole game based on that but he has no intention to make me flip for whatever reason

Tell him this is just a game and a lynch on my slot is understandable but that behavior [if he is town] is not

thanks

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Grey

This slot needs to be dead. I still think it's town but if this guy stays alive the game is most likely a town loss because scum aren't nightkilling him ever.

I think this post is posted based on your assumption that I'm scum. If not please clarify. If yes Your vote means nothing till I'm alive so vote me instead if your truthful.

I currently think the scumteam is FA/Pepto/Jhin, yes.
But the only person in that trio I can lynch without autolosing the game because of how weak town's reads are (assuming I'm correct) is Pepto.
Otherwise I can lynch obstacles to that scumteam and see what happens.

Jhin? You mean Jin? I thought you were thinking he is a counter wagon because you think I'm scum. Again You are saying thats the whole scum team in your eyes - and that is mainly based on your assumption that I'm scum but you are saying you are not comfortable with lynching me.

You see why Your not making any sense?

[Frozen Angel]

Wait you're saying that if I asked my favorite hydra partner and one of my favourite players in general to play a game I won't want to lynch them day 1?

I love you to <3

but this is just a game. If you scumread me and you're basing every single read of yours on that, You need to present a decent case and to vote me.

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, the wagon on him is terrible because Pepto is a way better wagon and I don't like how tomorrow will pan out if I'm correct about the scumteam.

Do I ever make sense to anyone who isn't me?

I want you to answer this : My main two scum reads are pep and Jin and I prefectly told that.

Are you accusing me that I'm bussing my both scum mates? cause although I can do that; I don't think I'm tat devil

You said Jin is a counterwagon on Pep. Do you have any reasons beside "Frozen is scum so it should be" for that? What is your opinion on my presented case about Jin?

what do you think about Grey's "My whole push on pep was a reaction test" thingi?

[Frozen Angel]

What game are you referring to?

[Frozen Angel]

That would be 100000% more believable if I was pushing outside of your stated scumreads.

He means you won't ever vote me, that's why he is saying your dangerous to town

which is really sweet! cause he won't vote me as well!

Like holy crap RC.

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen. I'm not convinced on scum!Grey.

My whole point about him dodging questions went out of the window when he claimed he was just reaction testing with fake read lists

But his fake read lists make no sense as well so I will keep him as a null - slight scum read for now.

pedit : oO

You got the protection!

[Frozen Angel]

If there is any other cop Don't CC today ... a cop claim is forced to give us information anyway which is helpful for the game. and as I'm suspecting this game is heavily full of "inspecting" roles think thrice before CC'ing - cause he claimed a "Weak Vanilla cop" and nothing else.

pedit : so vote me RC

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: RC

Lynch Grey unconditionally tomorrow.

what the fuck you were saying you don't beleive he is scum

if you are town your suggestion will put us in lylo

[Frozen Angel]

Like you can't be like this RC

[Frozen Angel]

I will be how I want to be.

And I love you however you are! <3

Sorry you got a red pm RC

[Frozen Angel]

Firebringer, remember FA's posts on the last 2 pages if you doubt that she's scum.

I am obviously town - to me maybe

If you beleive otherwise you will vote me right here

You agreed with my both scum reads - after calling one of them a counter wagon cause I launched it then you voted someone cause you think their dengrauos for town for not voting me when you aren't voting me yourself. They claimed a weak cop which perfectly match with my role stopper and will confirm someone as town or scum but you refused to let that happen cause you think I'm scum and the whole investiagtion is a setup

and you refuse to vote me anyway. I am asking you to vote me. Why your not voting me when all your case and play is based on that?

[Frozen Angel]

checking RC is the best course of action an investigative role can do period

[Frozen Angel]

You could confirm me and my claim with your ability tonight and we could use my 1 shot ability in n2.

There was a good chance that you weren't in danger of getting killed tonight.

[Frozen Angel]

FA, you being a claimed PR means you won't get anywhere near LyLo/MyLo one way or the other.

Checking you would be a waste because you're already doomed.

well it would mod confirm your next check

[Frozen Angel]

No, I mean your check is dependent on "me being town" and people will argue now that your check is only valid when I'm town.

If there is a vigilant in game please shoot me tonight so Grey check gets modconfirmed

[Frozen Angel]

FA, if you're town you are rolestopping Garmr overnight. Just lynch Grey tomorrow.

what

[Frozen Angel]

why should I role stop Garmr

and I was thinking you townread Grey

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Grey

This slot needs to be dead. I still think it's town but if this guy stays alive the game is most likely a town loss because scum aren't nightkilling him ever.

Yes, the wagon on him is terrible because Pepto is a way better wagon and I don't like how tomorrow will pan out if I'm correct about the scumteam.

Do I ever make sense to anyone who isn't me?

A Jin red flip would suggest that you are wrong about your Pepto read.

Instead of wanting to Lynch Jin to clarify your read on Pepto, you resort to voting a town read.

Yeah .. that makes complete sense!

After MoI nearly threw the game that I didn't PL him when he disagreed with me and my townbloc's agreement on who scum was, I decided that I would not leave people alive if I think they're more dangerous to town than scum are.

You are in that category, regardless of alignment. I'm also not particularly convinced that you're town.

If this is not you thinking Grey is town then what is this?

[Frozen Angel]

:/

If your saying the thing I'm thinking you say please read again my post in last page RC

[Frozen Angel]

FA. you know better than to do any of what you have done in relation to me. So either you have mysteriously become amnesiac as to what my play is like or as scum. If neither is true, then change your tac.

What is exactly the thing your asking me to change?

[Frozen Angel]

:/

If your saying the thing I'm thinking you say please read again my post in last page RC

He's squirming scum, FA.

He voted HIMSELF over a SCUMREAD knowing he'd be conftown d2 if I LIVED.

Me as scum never says me being alive confirms another player as TOWN.

I understand your points but I have a frightening theory atm that I like RC to understand it, confirm or deny.

[Frozen Angel]

actually no he doesn't need to confirm or deny.

he just needs to understand it. if he does then I need to rethink about this situation

[Frozen Angel]

:Thinking Hard:

[Frozen Angel]

GET OUT OF HERE ! ! !

I shouldn't think hard?

But I want to ... o.o

[Frozen Angel]

Shush you're not thinking you're a little scumbutt.

I'm not! You're rude ... :/

There are no inventors in normal games. You can't be a joat who is claiming VT. so guess your claiming you recieve da message from a friendly neighbour or something.

anyway

VOTE: RC

I had a completely different theory in mind.

[Frozen Angel]

{Firebringer}
{Aliese , Grey}
{Garmr , Sreen play , Panther}
{mlmooney89 , Anotora}
{Pep}
{Radiantcowbells , Secret Agent Jin}

Lurker/Low content : Obvious Alt

[Frozen Angel]

Though I'm still more confident in Jin being scum

[Frozen Angel]

I am a rolestopper Jin and I must die anyway tonight. If anyone has a vig don't shoot FB the miller claimer, Shoot me to prove Jin check result.

[Frozen Angel]

I am town in this game

and I'm really so sorry you are scum and I have to see you flip

[Frozen Angel]

Your using Steven universe to explain why you don't like to vote me is really brutal.

I felt totally shitty that game for being a scum player against you but I never got mad at you for playing toward your win condition. It was one of the reasons I actually respect you - the way you pushed me in game and didn't involve our friendship in it. Your repeated use of this as an excuss for not voting me in game is pissing me off about you.

and no I'm not blind. I'm a 1 shot role stopper. Grey claimed weak cop. he can confirm someone tonight and it will be a 1v1 between me and that person he confirms if he dies and it will be a 1v1 between grey and the person he is checking if he doesn't. Its simple logic and your refusing to participate in this is scummy as fuck.

Your saying Jin is a counter wagon cause I was pushing it then you said you have a scum read on him as well and you actually think I am bussing him to save another buddy pep. You can't even get your reads consistent.

and you claimed VT without being in pressure of hammer. Now you need to just die. Our friendship won't be touched I promise you that.

[Frozen Angel]

and you claimed VT without being in pressure of hammer. Now you need to just die. Our friendship on't be touched I promise you that.

Uh if you were this inconsiderate about knowing how I feel about certain things as town then it probably would have been touched! Firebringer will read your last few pages and agree it's a scumclaim even if he disagrees that I'm town for it.
I accept that you're trying to push my buttons because you're a scumfuck and I'm iffy about pushing other people's buttons as scum these days but I can accept it.

I'm actually really town and I'm not trying to push any of your buttons. Nice appeasing to fire btw.

I'm really considerate. Your whole game play is based on me being scum and you're not voting me. Sorry if you think its inconsiderate of me to think how lame is this.

[Frozen Angel]

You didn't catch no shit

I'm a town 1 shot role stopper and your just scum

I refuse to be a part of "I tried it again to test it" conversation. We are in a game of manipulation and saying such things is just your attempt to make feel bad and make other feel bad about me. What you just did is ATE so saying you won't ATE is crap.

You're the one who is taking this out of the game. I'm pssied of about that and I will ignore it forsake of the game. You're a scum read for your actions and you need to die. bye

[Frozen Angel]

And besides, I caught you and I guarantee you my 4 scumpile contains at least one of your partners if not both, so you can't say that my play's worse or that you lost respect for it.

BTW you're play in that game has no relation to you're play in this one or any one of you're games. Generally I consider you as one of the strongest if not the strongest player - in mafia scum. That has no relation to the fact your play in this game is total crap

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, my game plan was definitely to invite you to a game that I was playing then make you feel like shit for it. I forgot that's how I operated.

I never said that in any manner. Nice mis rep though.

I said we're in a game. Deal with this like a game not whatever crap you're doing right now." Frozen is my top scum read but I don't like her lynched today" is Bull crap and what pissed me off. either play the game or don't. No one forced you to play with me. You asked me to join a game but you tried to involve out of game emotional crap into this. My whole vote me today crap was my try to show you how awful is this.

Now either start talking about game itself or just stop talking.

[Frozen Angel]

Oh shit you're firing out the big guns now. So where does 'Town!FA' go after I flip town?

why am I wrong about the points I mentioned above about you being scum.

show me you're town and I will vote Jin again.

and town!FA will either die at night to prove grey investigation or will be in a 1 v 1 with someone tomorrow, period.

[Frozen Angel]

where does 'Town!FA' go after I flip town?

Get your shit together please, K?

[Frozen Angel]

You can't refute my scumread. You can prove its baseless or show me where I'm wrong. And in your games you always had your shit together.

My current game play is practically a reflection of your old games. You're my mentor deary.

[Frozen Angel]

and 3 are more than enough when their this strong.

people get lynched with a 1 less scummy point

[Frozen Angel]

I'm leaving to take of my baby. for now bye.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Secret Agent Jin

Investigate RC tonight. those explanations are from the old RC I know which is more likely from town him But I'm sure scum him is capable for faking them.

I can't believe that you can't see how a 1 shot role stopper and a weak cop are so fit together in a setup. Grey can't be night killed cause I am a 1 shot role stopper. You don't know that for sure, It's totally fine. I know how this needs me and grey lives to get an investigation done, but the result can actually be really helpful to solve the game.

So you admit you agree with my points about SAJ but you want pep gone cause you think pep won't get lynched in later days - which I can see that from a Town!you perspective and you admitted that the whole "this is a counterwagon" was sololy based on the fact I initiated the lynch. so tell me this : You know how hard is to get me lynched. You know that In past 50 games on site I only got lynched twice - so why pepe over me? spescially when you were this sure SAJ was a counterwagon because your scumread on me?

regarding grey and pep, I agree that nothing about saj confirms anything about pep. That was my whole discussion with grey about aliese (he was saying aliese is scum for thinking Saj voting pep was a buss)

[Frozen Angel]

RC why do you scum read SAJ but not voting him again?

he is like perfectly clear scum to me

[Frozen Angel]

I belive that the Grey case was creditable and was really one of the only cases made. You scumreading me for a case like that is a bit strange. About the reaction test, it is really up to you. If you are willing to belive Grey after his big reaction test, then you should be able to see the reasoning behind mine.

Bad

I already told you what are my reasons to scum read you and grey case is not one of them and I'm not convinced with your explanations.

[Frozen Angel]

I storm people with questions to test consistency.

You had a consistency error regarding the timing of your grey scum read and your explanation made no sense.

and its a great way to read people! I really enjoy it ^.^

[Frozen Angel]

and its incredibly efficient

[Frozen Angel]

I asked you for a post that since then you got your null read on him solidified.

Your case on grey was published after being called out for you're completely inconsistent comments about Jin. all my questions make perfect sense to me. There weren't a series of grey posts since the moment you claimed you were null on him till the moment you made that case <- this is the issue.

There was nothing there to solidify your read

the fact they are representative is what makes me check your point of view consistency.

[Frozen Angel]

repetitive*

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not wasting my one investigation on RC when he's blatant scum.

You're telling me to die for no reason and that's just stupid.

RC does the same emotional thing and weird justification as either alignment as I said. There was a time when he couldn't reach day 2 as he was always N1 kill as town. him saying I won't vote x even if I scumread them cause you won't lynch y after me is his thing.

unsettling but true. I'm way more confident with Jin flip

[Frozen Angel]

I like to see fire bringer input

[Frozen Angel]

I am a role stopper. there is a claimed miller so yeah I think we might have a vig but that wasn't my point

My argument was that a town!rc wouldn't propose himself as a valid lynch to tell us we should lynch another person he was town reading there in next day. It wasn't making any sense.

[Frozen Angel]

cause it will turn my target to an ascetic bulletproof?

It should obviously be used on a town read who is not going to get investigated

[Frozen Angel]

Just very odd that you'd say that would take us to LYLO. Because I'd never assume that 2 mislynches in a 13er would take us to LYLO. You're literally assuming 6 dead town by start of d3. That's troubling

I meant its basically all the way toward lylo not surely that it will be lylo itself. Its 2/3 of the way toward it anyway ...

whats even you're point?

I'm not a vig

[Frozen Angel]

btw when was the original claim and why? post number or page or link would be great. busy day so I'm popping in and out a lot - would be a help to me

otherwise I'll just go find it eventually

I claimed right when I asked them to lynch me and the wifom crap they were pushing toward me. its right in the middle of my iso.

IE, I lynched FA in steven universe when I was confident she was scum and hated the rest of the game. FA lives for today at least.

I'm not sum here.

I'm 1 shot town rolestopper and I was planning to not use it - at least tonight. the cookie was referring to this and I said I have only one but I don't like to give it to fire.

there you go that's my claim. bye

[Frozen Angel]

its a really antitown role.

I wouldn't risk to use it knowing there are investigatives in this anyway. Now I can use it with Grey to make his role productive.

[Frozen Angel]

Thats the point he won't die by night kills with my role stop so if he dies when checking the target is confirmed scum.

how in the world wouldn't you see that ^

and I claimed way earlier than him. He claimed just 2 or 3 pages ago at most. I didn't claim for him

[Frozen Angel]

implying that they must have been roleblocked etc etc

They can't do that cause I'm a rolestopper

what the fuck

[Frozen Angel]

First this day won't end before you claiming who you're going to target in any manner

second as I said I like to have FB's opinion about RC

[Frozen Angel]

well having restrictions like weak on a "vanilla" cop and a 1 shot on a "role stopper" and having a miller in this don't really match up with a roleblocker. I can see setup with like 1 shot or conditional blockers though :/

yeah If I get role blocked then this is fucked up. we can't turn back time now though. as I said grey could confirm me as town tonight (with a not vanilla result and not dieing) which I think would be safer - we could d this n2 when we had more info.

[Frozen Angel]

Grey, You don't know RC,

He manipultes the shit out of everything with doing weird stuffs like that as either alignment. He not agreeing with a plan which would confirm him as town makes no sense though - he was thinking I was scum and I would kill you to frame him then.

Thats why It will practically put me and your target in a 1v1 if you die when checking.

if I get rolebocked I won't loose my shot - thats what my normal reviewers forced me to do in my own normal game - so I will know if I was role blocked or not though, won't I?

[Frozen Angel]

he was thinking I was scum and I would kill you to frame him then.

That's bullshit because NK has different kill flavor from passive death.

It doesn't? In normal games there are no kill flavors

[Frozen Angel]

I already asked the mod - when I posted in thread

[Frozen Angel]

and I obviously won't clear it up inside the thread, let scum taste some wifom

[Frozen Angel]

Did you know "Herp De Derp" in that exact syntax has only ever been used by two player on MS. House and -Grey-

couldn't resist

lol
yeah

It's like watching dead rising again! I really were enjoying house though, Its a shame he is gone

[Frozen Angel]

{Firebringer}
{Grey}
{Panther, Aliese}
{Garmr , Sreen play}
{mlmooney89 , Anotora, Radiantcowbells}
{Pep}
{Secret Agent Jin}

Lurker/Low content : Obvious Alt

[Frozen Angel]

He was practically you; who is now permabanned

pedit sure in a minute

[Frozen Angel]

Reason 1 :

Wrong. I don't really care if he claims.

So I'm gonna ask you now. You gonna claim?

Clearly.

Yes I'm asking him would he. To see his reaction. I'm telling him to do it like Alisae.

And I've explained what him refusing to reveal and him doing it would do imo.

He asked anotora to cliam, which wasn't that bad then as anotora was really in edge of getting lynched (arguably) but then he refereed to that as a reaction test after being called out for it ^

[Frozen Angel]

Reason 2 :

Now.

Firstly when I talk about -Grey- I need to express how much I dislike his behavior in the game regardless of his allotment. He is sometimes rude and even disrespectful. It's a thing that annoys some players and should be kept to a minimum imo. But this is besides the point.

First thing I find obviously suspicious is how inconsistent his read on the game has been till he latched on to me. He moved from null-town to null-scum all the time and overall didn't give any explanation for his actions.

The previous is further seen when he gives his reads. In the span of a couple of pages he changes them almost drastically and again WITHOUT explaining almost any of the changes made. This is inconsistent and strange.

Another thing is he is obviously very cocky and likes the use of sarcasm. This doesn't necessarily make someone look scim, but when you use it too much like in Grey's situation it's certainly fishy and annoying.

Let's not talk about his pretty disrespectful behavior in the argument against Frozen Angel. It seemed that he really just wanted to discourage her and provoke her. Wether she is town or scum it worked. And honestly Grey seemed to enjoy it. Again I saw traits in this segment that are not town like.

Lastly let's take a look at when he put my vote up. He apparently did it after I asked would Ano claim and if he would, will he. This would be ok, if he actually got on the make a bigger case after the lynch. When asked for one I got the same cocky remarks and more sarcasm. He purposely has ignored some of my questions and this has been confirmed by him (I will provide a quote if needed) and this again isn't town like. Why would he do that? Well in my mind I just see it as that he doesn't really have a good case on me on seems to not want to try and create one.

The vote he so desperately promotes to be lynched is one he can't or doesn't want to justify. This for me is disrespectful even. Even if you are right, whe. You lynch someone at least try to look convincing. But maybe you are. After you I'm at L-1 and only person that has tryid to get something from is someone who wasn't voted me yet.

I've don't belive I said Grey is misguided town. I said he has been a null going up and down till I actually got points that I have been pointing out in previous posts.

No, my interest in SAJ post isn't fake. I simply like the way he presented it and I think it is mostly right, so I said it. I See nothing wrong tbh.

But why

all the points you're mentioning are for pages ago. what changed?

He made a case about grey and started scumreading him right after being called out for his weird agreement with SAJ post. He claimed he had a null read on grey before making this case (with ups and downs) but he started feeling strong about it suddenly - when all his reasoning were for pages ago and grey had no posts then.

[Frozen Angel]

How's everyone's morning?

Its night here but thanks for asking lol

can you please read the me - RC conversation. I really want your opinion

[Frozen Angel]

I have a few newbie to this site questions;

Alt- I was thinking that means you have more than one account. Is that correct? If so I just read RC's sig (mostly ignore those) and it says titus. One is a he and one is a she. Are you the same person in my last game?

So this is a normal game... does that mean we can have more than one of certain roles or that they will be slightly different but same main role?

Bumping so I can at least get an answer to the certain roles. I might change my votes based on this answer.

alt means seconadary account yes. Titus and RC are two different people and that sig is a joke lol. (I know them and they are separate people - trust me)

[Frozen Angel]

Thanks for your input fire about RC

I know its not SvS cause I'm town. Do you think its TvS or TvT?

I'd prefer a check on RC tonight but like me and panther pointed out there's potential problems for whoever grey checks.
And now grey doesn't want to do that >.>

Why can't we lynch Jin?

I support this ^

@RC if you make a single more comment about how grey is not a good player I will vote you and never unvote you in this game and I'm not joking. Stop whinning about how your "town read" will act in future FFS

[Frozen Angel]

As long as you are dead i am content

If he dies, he dies as a Town weak cop who is confirming someone as scum.

what the hell are you talking about!

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen angel votes twice

What?!

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Jin
We'll come back to the RC lot later. Don't like it.
Their sudden case on me is shit too. It feels like they felt forced to draft one.

I felt really bad about this vote. Like my whole gut started screaming >.>

[Frozen Angel]

You know Jin also OMGUS'd Grey, right?

what is the meaning of this? how is his action related to your action?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Jin
We'll come back to the RC lot later. Don't like it.
Their sudden case on me is shit too. It feels like they felt forced to draft one.

I felt really bad about this vote. Like my whole gut started screaming >.>

Why? Becuase it's oppertunistic?
I've always been scumreading Jin. Their sudden vote on Grey was shit.

I don't like the way you talked about RC and voted Jin to be more precise.

It's how scums talk

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Jin
We'll come back to the RC lot later. Don't like it.
Their sudden case on me is shit too. It feels like they felt forced to draft one.

This slot does not live to endgame. Beyond any others remember this one.

You know Jin also OMGUS'd Grey, right?

How is this an answer to the above post?

[Frozen Angel]

Hi Gamma!

and Please go away Jin and aliese. You can't and should't give your opinions to a replace in. Replaced in players normally give us fresh view to stuff.

[Frozen Angel]

You agree with virtually all my scumreads yet think I'm scum for /reasons/

It's really hypocritical of you to say this lol

You had my two main scum reads as scum and you were trying to accuse me of double busying!

[Frozen Angel]

You are known as a megabusser. Alisae has given no indication whatsoever that they understand my meta for that reasoning to apply.

I am not and that's an absolute lie!

I bus with no remorse when it's necessary and cooperate when it's not and YOU know this better than anyone old scum buddy!

[Frozen Angel]

Hi Gamma!

and Please go away Jin and aliese. You can't and should't give your opinions to a replace in. Replaced in players normally give us fresh view to stuff.

But i was playing around with him since we have played games together and i dont know if you know but im also a replace in...albeit a lost replace in, but still.

I know those stuff

Those aren't relevant. You can't and shouldn't give reads to bias a replace in. That's anti town as fuck.

[Frozen Angel]

<Firebringer>
<Garmr, Grey>
<Srceenplay, FA, PantherPunt>
Null line
<Pepto, Mlmooney>
<Alisae>
<Jhin>

tbh Gamma there are some parts of this game I've read deeply and other parts I've just skimmed.
I'll sum you up with my reads.
{Me, Grey, FA, Firebringer} <--- Pretty much conf town. I'm conftown because it's litterally me.
{Screenplay, Panther, Gamr}
{Gamma, Ano, Pep}
{Jin, RC, Mlooney} <--- Lynch Pool

Yeah these two are similar but not identical

Where is anotora in your list RC?

[Frozen Angel]

Also this needs stating NOW.
I am an Ascetic.

oO

[Frozen Angel]

omg

This is like a scum claim!

[Frozen Angel]

Calling the game : ALL three scums are in "Jin/Gamma/RC/Aliese"

GG!

[Frozen Angel]

LOL

IT is! But You just screwd up because we already have a Miller and a 1 shot role stopper claim and a weak vanilla cop.

You're role is practically scum utility!

LOL

[Frozen Angel]

and Obvious Alt didn't claim it after that miller shit show early game and after the rolestopper claim!

THis IS so Fun LOL

[Frozen Angel]

I will nominate this for kodak moment after the game!

HOLy crap

pedit : The miller claimer is practically obviously town atm. and he claimed ASAP. Your role is counterclaimed by my role as well not just the miller and its definitly against the weak vanilla cop!

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

Is this a sort of scum claim? ?!

[Frozen Angel]

I'll also claim VT because everyone is claiming and it's what cool kids like to do.

LOL

No

we are lynching JIn

then we will lynch Gamma

and we get a confirmed innicent or guilty on RC tonight - then we will decide if your the third scum or him.

Waving hand

This game was fun! <3

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Alisae
FA I think my town flip helps town at this point.

Is this a sort of scum claim? ?!

No it's a town claim to help you PoE the game.

Its already in the bag

I don't need you to self vote

[Frozen Angel]

This reads like your trying to appease to me to add a new person to that pool after I called the game

@Ano Lets not go for aliese atm. We have 2 obv scums and soon they will be eaither conftown or scum.

Grey check RC tonight please!

[Frozen Angel]

How do cookies create townreads

I have a secret recipe!

[Frozen Angel]

I have a pretty good feeling that one out of the three pairs {FA, Alisae}, {SAJ, RC}, {Pepto, Srceenplay} is both scum. The third scum in any case is more difficult to figure.

ok

Did you just missed last page or what?

and how did you conclude this shit?

[Frozen Angel]

Like I'm loosing my patient here.

That is like the purest form of crap someone could post right now.

Explain why the pairs are like that in your mind ASAP

[Frozen Angel]

And FA I'm talking to you because you're here and I'm using you as a soundboard.
Is my theory shit or nah?

I need to reread some stuff before commenting on this

[Frozen Angel]

We posted the exact same thought
what

Don't buddy me

I wear buddy proof uniforms!

[Frozen Angel]

I'm also really not a fan of the no-lynch vote. We can discuss that as an option later in the day

No. No Lynch is never an option on d1. That you are feigning objection to it for now and keeping it open as a possibility for later if town is amenable to it gives me scum vibes.

VOTE: Anotora

Bye bye, RVS.

Probably town

Gamma, i don't need you to come up in here townreading Grey, ok? Lol, also stop following me everywhere.

This is scum telling another scum what they want ^

[Frozen Angel]

So alt wanted to try a new strategy where they use gut reads. Replaces out. Why possibly to much starting info to do gut reads??

What?

He is saying Obv Alt started this game to not post thought process and do gut reads (he said that in the queue).

Obv Alt's only post is full of thought process and they replaced out - which is practically in paradox with they wanted to do

[Frozen Angel]

Well, I still have a worse gut feeling about Pepcho, so no, absolutely not.

what changed this feeling?

[Frozen Angel]

It's funny how we have 4 claims and non of them reached L1 and the the ones who reached L1 never claimed!

[Frozen Angel]

FA doesn't appear to be on the Pep wagon at this time. Maybe she was I just don't remember if Pep was put at L-1 at a different time with FA on it.

I disliked the way anotora wagon disbanded and hated the way Grey was advertising pep

and pep wasn't a scum read then.

[Frozen Angel]

Panther slot was empty when the first two wagons were developing

[Frozen Angel]

KNPD's legacy seems to be like 80% just joining in and agreeing with whatever seemed to be town consensus at the time. SAJ's tone/activity level reads quite similarly to KNPD in a certain intuitive way. SAJ active-lurked until pressure was put upon him. I might hammer depending on my next read through of the whole thread, untangling the web of claims, waiting for -Grey- to declare a target, of course.

You have some explanations to do

You practically started pairing people - preflip assosciation

next post is your details... go

[Frozen Angel]

I'm - and so many other people are not voting SAj for keyen replace out. That is a hardcore misrepresentation.

What do you mean he active lurked till pressure? He had two posts before pressure and he presented a case/point of view in his first one.

[Frozen Angel]

VCA is shit anyway even in later days. (my opinion, please don't scream)

[Frozen Angel]

Calling the game : ALL three scums are in "Jin/Gamma/RC/Aliese/Anotora"

GG!

fixed

I can't see Jin and Gamma flipping green In any world.

[Frozen Angel]

1 shot rolestopper to be more precise!

and yep Gamma is confscum

look at the miller and weak vanilla cop claims as well

[Frozen Angel]

1 shot rolestopper to be more precise!

and yep Gamma is confscum

look at the miller and weak vanilla cop claims as well

1-shot?
I don't think that necessarily means we can't exist together.

we certainly are existing together

but You are mafia

[Frozen Angel]

You're wrong on both. Elsa is Frozen Angel and I am Anna.

We need to mod a game with that acc

[Frozen Angel]

where are your answers ano

[Frozen Angel]

nope

if miller is true ascietic town is just crap

a role stopper and an ascitic is crap

a weak cop don't need that much crap against him ^ he needs my bp to act like a hider but you are just a scum who would be seemingly conftown if he were trying visiting you ...

So nope

Your ascietic in this setup is practically a godfather

[Frozen Angel]

and I believe there are no role blocks in scum's hand when they have ascetic.

[Frozen Angel]

NO ONE HAMMERS BEFORE GREY

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

Grey needs to confirm he is doing that before the hammer

[Frozen Angel]

Ill buddy the shit out of you. Ill bring you seasons of anime, bake you brownies, and even clean your house. Im not stuck in a buddy pact with you, your stuck here with me.

OH my god

:O

I'm under attack!

[Frozen Angel]

I swear if this game gets to 100 pages on day 1, I'm gonna ask Admins to give us medals xD

I had way worse day one's

[Frozen Angel]

I am so, so confused at why people think SAJ flipping red will prove Pepcho innocent.

Me too

Tell me if you figured that one out

[Frozen Angel]

btw I will only be cool with Prod King if it becomes my title

You commented on it so it won't ever happen

[Frozen Angel]

You want me to quote my case against you jin?

[Frozen Angel]

I really believe in my heart that Pep is town.

why you voted him?

[Frozen Angel]

Don't let the dream die!

It died the moment he commented on it, sorry

[Frozen Angel]

I really believe in my heart that Pep is town.

why you voted him?

I voted him because Grey was pushing against him so hard that i knew when he flipped town i could push a Grey wagon very easily.

so you had no read on them - you had no clear read on other players. you wanted a townlean of yours to die to push someone rude who could be as eiather alignment next day?

seems like you just wanted 2 slots Dead like the way mafia wants to - you get what I mean?

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you repeating me

[Frozen Angel]

This game is ongoing You can't suggest titles based on what has been discussed here

[Frozen Angel]

He had other contradictions there as well.

His case was mostly about grey and me but he used a vote on pep to justify his action (that he wants to use pep's green flip as an excuss for grey push tomorrow)

[Frozen Angel]

GUYS STOP DISCUSSING ONGOING GAME DETAIL IN AN OUTSIDE THREAD

[Frozen Angel]

It violates So many rules

You can't point to something that was discussed in an ongoing game in any manner

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you repeating me

Me?

yes

[Frozen Angel]

Because if he announces that he's going to investigate someone, scum can just kill him to frame whomever he investigated.

I am a role stopper dah

[Frozen Angel]

so you had no read on them - you had no clear read on other players. you wanted a townlean of yours to die to push someone rude who could be as eiather alignment next day?

You were ready to blindly vote someone who you TR, just so you can persue someone tomorrow? What if it was a TvT. This is stupid really.

You repeating ^

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not a role blocker

I am a rolestopper

[Frozen Angel]

@pep how is the meaning of your post different?

@Anotoro It's exactly the opposite of roleblocker. I role block whoever is trying to target my target! I make them ascietic bulletproof

Thats why Gamma is practically a confscum

[Frozen Angel]

I mean I make my target ascietic bulletproof

[Frozen Angel]

No if he dies that means his target is scum OR I was scum who killed him myself and didn't role stop him

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE:

what about my role changed your mind about aliesa?

[Frozen Angel]

Anotora also softed a PR.

It's more about the nature of the 3 roles more than the fact they are 3 roles.

[Frozen Angel]

I'll wait for you to finish catching up and tell me your opinion then I will move my vote back on SAJ

[Frozen Angel]

Is this L1?

Don't let scum selfhammer. I like to see Grey catchup completly

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Jin

Ok so that's the hammer

Lynch Gamma tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

Yeah

in that case lynch gamma the day three

[Frozen Angel]

I have reasons to do so!

[Frozen Angel]

But seriously read the description of my scum read.

Gamma needs rope

[Frozen Angel]

I have reasons to do so!

Lining lynched is never good honestly.

It is when you're only available town pr to be killed and your role is a counter to the one's you want dead.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean the available claimed

[Frozen Angel]

Hmm, one thing that is interesting though is we have like 4-5 claims and I definetely belive some of them are wrong. Hopefully Day 2 will help us understand wich exactly.

we have exactly 7 (3 vanilla) claims and 3 of them perfectly match and I'm sure the ascietic claim is truth but in hands of scum.

what is the meaning of underlined sentence?

[Frozen Angel]

What is your reason to think they are (anyone els in us) is not truthful about the role?

[Frozen Angel]

I did what I said I will do and role stopped him

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

will read the game later though

[Frozen Angel]

currently checking with the mod if I have my 1 shot or not - he avoided commenting on that last day

UNVOTE:

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

FA confirmed as scum along with Anotora and possibly Pepcho?

Nope you are scum deary

I'm so sorry that I interupted your lynch yesterday

we are practically in 1 v 1 if I don't ave my shot

[Frozen Angel]

sorry for interupting his wagon yesterday ....

[Frozen Angel]

I kinda dislike the way you say that if she admits to being roleblocked this basically makes her town and we should belive her.

Thats super unlikly after an ascietic claim.

Rc is making tone of shit up

[Frozen Angel]

I'm proud of your AtE but you won't be needing it. There is no way that I win this 1v1 with this town.

Oh you mean you are going to selfvote and loose faster?

[Frozen Angel]

you just slipped that you know I'm town there