Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: vedith

because dog

[aronagrundy]

so?

[aronagrundy]

Town can lie though?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: thinkbig

I feel like post 70 is them egging lickety on to go after realeo.

[aronagrundy]

@gamma

Maybe, but I feel like lickety is the type of player (they said themselves that they were firing from the hip i think) that scum could use for distractions/blame later for a mislynch. So I'm interested in how others interact with him.

[aronagrundy]

Also it's definitely not anymore of a reach than arguing over the semantics of parking a vote

[aronagrundy]

I think lickety vs cheezy is TvT. I've thought lickety is town for a while, and I'm not sure scum would respond as flame-y as cheezy did to lickety's pressure.

@pp: any significant reads so far?

[aronagrundy]

Also, the tone coming from Cheezy's posts totally switched in the last couple pages and I really can't figure out why.

Do you think it had something to do with him outing his alt?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: tojam

Says he would vote cheezy, but doesn't do so after given a VC which he wanted for some reason. Beyond that there isn't much reason to think he's town in his posts. Seems to be staying on the sideline and commenting on others without doing anything.

[aronagrundy]

I agree I haven't been very active but I think the fact that he didn't even vote for cheezy is something worth pursuing

[aronagrundy]

Wasn't meant to be a dichotomy. Pretend like the "but" isn't there.

Tojam said this:

I'd vote for cheesy, he just doesn't sit right with me (up to p.13), but I need a VC.

Like I guess he didn't say that "I will vote cheesy" but this quote makes it seem the only thing stopping him would be a VC.

[aronagrundy]

Make it a thought exercise.

[aronagrundy]

Why are you focusing on my word choice rather than my point on tojam?

[aronagrundy]

Why are you focusing on my word choice rather than my point on tojam?

Because you do not understand the subtlety of tojams posts, that is why. I'm inclined to think you Scummy for pressing this.

1. Then help me understand.
2. Is an inability to understand actually a scumtell?

[aronagrundy]

My assessment was that tojam said he wanted to vote cheezy and didn't. You didn't address that point, though.

[aronagrundy]

My assessment was that tojam said he wanted to vote cheezy and didn't. You didn't address that point, though.

How do you read me currently?

I think you're town. You're knowingly playing in a way that draws attention to yourself and it's not something I would expect scum to do right off the bat.

[aronagrundy]

Well duh of course scum can still play that way. But you're probably the one most driving the action of the game and trying to gather information, which is a town thing to do.

[aronagrundy]

At first glance I took this as kind of role-fishy, but at second glance I realized who was posting, and now feel it's probably NAI.

20 + words to call an rvs post null.

Throw this in the scumpile.

Do you think people treated it as an RVS post?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: nn30

His ISO is literally all cheesy. He's either talking to cheesy or asking other people about cheesy. His only other real case was against realeo, who he just stopped questioning despite a response from realeo.

[aronagrundy]

Can you elaborate on what is so awkward about thinkbig's response? He didn't treat it as an rvs post, so I'm not so sure I'm following your logic here.

[aronagrundy]

What I'm saying essentially is that town pick up on whimsy better than scum do, not that he treated it as rvs. And asking if someone is a cop doesn't mean that they know there's a cop either now that I'm thinking about it.

So it's awkward because he took it seriously?

[aronagrundy]

Anyone want to vote nn30 with me?

[aronagrundy]

Anyone want to vote nn30 with me?

Pass.

Also, why are you asking permission...?

I'm already voting for you so I'm not asking for permission. I am trying to get more people to vote for you though!

[aronagrundy]

I agree that vedith's slot is town but I have no idea how to read realeo

[aronagrundy]

ok let's entertain that for a hot second. If TB was scum, what would such a denotatiom accomplish?

[aronagrundy]

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did? He surely would know that his actions would be scrutinized by everyone by replacing out. Or should we take his replace out at face value (that his emotionsm bias against vedith's slot)? Just wondering here, since we're waiting on multiple replacements here.

[aronagrundy]

Yeah it's WIFOM-y which is why I'm asking y'all for input...because I'm confused.

[aronagrundy]

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

What happened to you saying that the argument could be TvT?

[aronagrundy]

Right, they said the argument could be either TvT or TvS, but their most recent post seems to discount the possibility of TvT.

[aronagrundy]

@nn30:

Can you elaborate on your realeo scum read?

[aronagrundy]

Right, they said the argument could be either TvT or TvS, but their most recent post seems to discount the possibility of TvT.

[aronagrundy]

Did you not know he replaced out?

[aronagrundy]

Prod received, won't have much time to post today but I will tomorrow

[aronagrundy]

Why would town have tougher skin than scum?

[aronagrundy]

Saw that after posting. Thanks.

I don't find it fishy. I missed Snarky too for a while...

I don't feel like we're getting very far right now.

My town list:

LQ - Early game interactions with me + general behavior.
Cheesy - I came around. Still gut and I wish he'd hunt more but *shrug*
Vedith/Titus - Primarily for the sub out. I don't think scum actually subs out in this scenario. Ftr I don't like Titus' play since subbing in but the sub out is strong enough in my mind that this slot is still townie

Everyone else is just a blur. We've done nothing but shit post this game and it's not helping me get any reads.

VOTE: Arona

In 100 words or less, why are you town Arona?

I have a town role PM.

[aronagrundy]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

[aronagrundy]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

[aronagrundy]

Oh btw,

VOTE: thinkbig

He insists that there has to be scum in vedith/realeo/cheezy but barely interacts with the replacements for the first two despite continuing to say that one of them is scum. Would also be ok with culted or tojam.

[aronagrundy]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

Because you have not made an impact in this game.

Scum can't make an impact in the game? You've implied that's your scum meta right?

[aronagrundy]

With tojam, it's the reasons I voted him before (he says things to make it seem like he's scumhunting when he's not) and I don't like his pressure on realeo's empty slot. I don't really buy that he didn't see the replace out, considering we were all talking about it.

Culted didn't sit well with me at first because I felt like he was making a lot of empty posts (like literally saying "scumpost" and stuff like that as replies), and looking over his ISO, I don't feel like there's a cohesive narrative to his posts, if that makes sense. He asks questions and rarely follows up on them. I think he's trying to blend in without, like you've said, making waves.

[aronagrundy]

@Lickety

Why do you like nn30's vote on me?

Because you have not made an impact in this game.

Scum can't make an impact in the game? You've implied that's your scum meta right?

Nope, I have said my Scum game sucks, I haven't said I don't make an impact as Scum.

Your posts (as decent as they are) do not hold the weight to convince people you are right. This makes for a very hard read on you and I would guess you would maximise this as Scum.

Well thanks for saying they're decent lol. That's a fair assessment. I feel like part of the reason that is could also be that the dominant discussion for so much of the game has been between and about vedith/realeo/cheezy's slots and I think people are focusing only on that. I agree that I don't think I've been assertive this game. I can't speak to my scum game because the last time I was scum was five years ago on my old account.

[aronagrundy]

the making waves comment was more referencing the talk on impact

[aronagrundy]

Oh, it looks like fish was the one who said making waves. Fish I'm writing a reply to you right now.

[aronagrundy]

Aron, what was the point of asking me a question if you werent going to do anything with my answer?

I actually had part of a reply typed up but then I got distracted with lickety. Every time I post something one of you has responded to me in the meantime lol. I see your logic and agree (obv) that scum are more afraid of making waves, but I disagree that town automatically has a tougher skin than scum. If you're reporting something because you're offended by it, chances are you'll be offended regardless of your alignment.

Answering your question, I was interested in hearing your logic since it was such an important issue for you that you went ahead and quoted the post.

[aronagrundy]

@lickety

So, how intent are you on pursuing a PL on day one?

[aronagrundy]

I agree, but is a PL the best option for today?

[aronagrundy]

I'm just going to ignore that typo

[aronagrundy]

@lickety:

it's not horrible.

Do you have any scumreads?

[aronagrundy]

am I doing it right

[aronagrundy]

Culted reminds me of myself as new town. I saw dragons when there were only windmills and charged towards them with reckless abandon. I was wrong a shit ton to, so I'm not going to hold a few reads we disagree on.

Do you really think culted has been that aggressive?

btw, I think it's fine to see someone as a certain alignment because they remind you of yourself as that alignment. You can't ever know for sure what anyone is thinking, but you can try.

[aronagrundy]

jfc

who the fuck claimed cop here

[aronagrundy]

why did scum!TB claim a role that they knew could be cc'd?

[aronagrundy]

though why would scum!grey counterclaim in the first place? For a cheap mislynch?

[aronagrundy]

thanks scum!TB

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: tojam

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: arona

why?

[aronagrundy]

@formerfish

actually could you expand on lickety's defense of TB?

[aronagrundy]

This is the outline, I can expand on anything in there:

Lickety case:

Heavy defense of ThinkBig

Advocated for SS policy lynch
996- he calls the push on SS a mislynch, then ebwop in 997 to say policy lynch, then after you start to spam the thread with music videos. Maybe trying to put some distance from a post that should have been more damaging if more people were on.
Calls someone out for bringing up old posts, then out of nowhere he starts rehashing old shit posts. Refuses to give reasons for his scum read on someone, and then asks someone to explain their read on him (2x). Quick turn in my situation too.
Pissing match with Grey (aka the conftown guy)
1137- coaching his scum partners in case he got lynched.
Buddying up to me.
1196-
Repeatedly calls for someone to cc the fake cop, is this because he knows that Think was lying and wanted the real cop to out themselves?
1268
965 never takes risks, 1292 says risk is NAI.
1383- Third cop claim?!?
1513- nows the time to admit to a gambit? Really? You said you did it before on another site, and I asked if you were scum in that game. Instead of just answering you linked me to a game from another site with no context whatsoever. It was a simple question, did you ask that question in the game you linked as scum or as town?

That's it, really. Were there specific posts (beyond what you already gave) that popped out to you?

[aronagrundy]

Lickety was a consistent town read of mine through the day and I saw no reason to believe it wasn't a typo. Even if I thought he was scummy I probably wouldn't have pressed on it because arguing about if something is a typo or not is pointless imo.

I still lean town on him for the reasons I did at the beginning of day 1. I don't know why scum!lickety would draw attention to himself like he's doing. You made a similar post I saw going over the day: why would any scum hard defend TB during the day?

[aronagrundy]

It's still the same kind of thought. I was aware you said anyone

[aronagrundy]

I was feeling eh on culted all of day 1 but I like the last posts he made that day. Seems very genuine in his skepticism and there's a logical progression from their reread (Post 1243) to them voting TB. I was entertaining the idea of TB voting culted early on in the game to distance themselves from their partner but looking at LQ's recent posts on that I think culted's reaction (to hound TB on it) makes me lean town on him.

I do want to know what their vote is doing on me because it came out of left field sorta (I'll say more in my next post).

I'm still 100% down with tojam unless his soft claim is genuine.

I also have no problem shamelessly sheeping titus and lickety right now.

VOTE: nn30

I think that's L-2

[aronagrundy]

@culted

The last time you mentioned me was here:

I'm gonna tr arona for being the only person to ask me a semi-decent question so far.

What changed?

[aronagrundy]

@nn30

Am I not thinking as much or saying as much? There's a difference.

Also, how is that quote you gave showing me sheeping in an "identical way"?

[aronagrundy]

Particularly unimpressive is that he hops onto tojam and nn30 (lynchbait city) lamely in the interim before Grey and FF replace into the game and sniff out tb's stuff quick and then arona appears from the ether and if you read his vote on tb all I can really see is "let's milk as much towncred as I can".

I was pretty clear on why I voted tb, that they weren't doing what they said they'd be doing. You left out my interactions with him starting at 723. What do you make of them?

And when you account for just how inevitable his run up was looking it looks like scum knowing that they've already sorta sold themselves before earlier on and wanted to be on the wagon because they know they're screwed otherwise ya know? I also don't really like how he wasn't around at all for the claim and reactions to but is sure to show up after the fact to make fake as fuck posts like 1474.

VOTE: arona

I don't think I'm wrong on this.

I get distracted by work/social outings sometimes. You basically weren't here at all day 2. Should I scumread you for that?

Oh and btw I didn't quote this part but was nn30 really "lynch bait city" day 1? He wasn't widely scumread until yesterday.

[aronagrundy]

I'm going to look closely at culted/gamma/cheesy now. Culted's early day 1 interactions with tb seemed town, like I said before, but I don't want to get it wrong here.

[aronagrundy]

Now that I've properly read.

VOTE: Thinkbig

Could also do cheesy

This stuck out to me early in the reread. I don't think scum!culted would name his two buddies as his two biggest scumreads this early. I don't think culted and cheesy are scum together. tb looks like they're trying to buddy culted early on. A good example of this is here:

As for realeo let me toss a question back at you; do you think scum are more likely to contradict themselves so openly? And was there nothing to your eye that could have made his move-away from gamma come more from a town-mindset?

The first question is a definite yes. In my experience, often contradict themselves to distance from each other.

Not sure what you mean by the second question.

They literally answer a question culted directed to realeo. I don't think scum would do this with their partner.

[aronagrundy]

*at least so explicitly this early on

[aronagrundy]

Hm. Thinking TB and culted are not both scum-aligned. This looks a bit too out of sync to be scum theater.

I think this would be an easy post for scum!gamma to make. Would scum!gamma make a point to comment on scum!tb vs scum!culted?

Hm. Thinking TB and culted are not both scum-aligned. This looks a bit too out of sync to be scum theater.

What's your read on TB independent of me?

This post makes me think gamma and culted aren't partnered either. I don't think the scumteam would make it a point to talk about each other right off the bat day 1.

^scumpost

How?

Never mind lol. culted's post is talking about cheesy ftr. So it looks like regardless the scumteam ended up interacting with each other quite a bit early on. It's worth mentioning that gamma's comments this time are much less substantive than before.

[aronagrundy]

So TB's town and Gamma's scum. Nice!

This post stuck out to me because it seemed like it came out of nowhere. The context is cheesy trying to start a wagon on realeo, which both tb and gamma both comment on...I'm actually not to sure how to read the interactions actually.

Not impressed by TB. He seems to be pushing Cheesy on play he knows is the player's town play.
VOTE: ThinkBig

I think this post works with a gamma/cheesy/tb scumteam, because like lickety says in response to this, it sets up cheesy as town in the case of tb's lynch.

(at this point I ISO'd gamma btw)

Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

This is a good cop-out answer.

Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why

TB's push is horrible

How does this have anything to do with Cheese?

Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.

I've actually been considering this.

Why is he considering tb distancing from cheesy if he town reads cheesy?

At this point I'm most confident that gamma is scum. His ISO isn't very convincing beyond what I've shared from my reread. There's a lot of hanging back and narration. His behavior wrt to tb day 1 is suspicious as well. While he consistently reads tb as scum, he jumps on the lq wagon, and then goes back to tb after grey claims cop and tb's lynch was essentially inevitable.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: gamma

[aronagrundy]

arona 1575 looks opportunistic, a vote with

I had said I was scumreading you previously, and I saw no problem placing a vote on a scumread the cop also had a vote on. Why else do you think I'm scum?

[aronagrundy]

Anyone else think cheesy is pretending to townslip?

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: Cheesy

Now we're all in agreement arona .

Well I said it couldn't be culted/cheesy either right? I agree that cheesy is more likely to be gamma's scumpartner but would still rather do gamma.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: cheesy

i'll take that as a scumclaim

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: Cheesy

Now we're all in agreement arona .

Well I said it couldn't be culted/cheesy either right? I agree that cheesy is more likely to be gamma's scumpartner but would still rather do gamma.

There should be no talk about associations, now that I have had time to think about things. I made that mistake day 2 and I think we saw how that worked out - not very well.

Well from my perspective I only have cheesy/culted/gamma to look at. They actually interact with each other a lot during the beginning of the game so it's hard not to look at that.

[aronagrundy]

Yh, my Revolver has 6 slots but for some reason I only loaded 2 bullets *shrug* .

Arona, it's not a case of probably voting cheesy for you, if you didn't vote then we got the whole partnership.

Can you rephrase the second sentence? I'm not sure what you're saying.

@culted

A big part of your case on me has to do with my interactions with tb day 1. What do you think about cheesy/gamma's interactions with tb?

[aronagrundy]

Why?

[aronagrundy]

@arona, you said that there is 1 scum in culted/Gamma, there are 3 conftowns (me, LQ, Titus), you think you are town (for lack of better phrasing), therefore there is 1 scum slot left and 1 player left, cheesy, so if you follow my logic, if you didn't vote cheesy, you'd be outing the both of you as scum.

@Titus, I can't shoot regardless, I've shot my 2 bullets.

You don't think scum would bus their partner?

[aronagrundy]

I was talking about you not discounting the possibility of me/cheesy being the scumteam and me bussing him. I read post 1836 as my vote screwing up your read somehow.

I stand by what I said. I am still wondering what your thoughts on gamma are (you seem to be focusing on my words on culted/gamma instead of culted/cheesy because you're most convinced that cheesy is scum out of everyone I think?), since I do think they've been going out of their way to post actual insight, especially today.

[aronagrundy]

Also, just to clarify the cheesy vote I made, I don't think he'd have this fatalistic attitude if he was town. Scum have so many more reasons to be giving up right now. If he was town he'd be in the same boat I'm in, with only three players left to look at, with two of them being scum. If there was ever a more motivating situation to be in as town, this would be it.

[aronagrundy]

Do you think I'm scummier than gamma/cheesy?

[aronagrundy]

I was talking about you not discounting the possibility of me/cheesy being the scumteam and me bussing him. I read post 1836 as my vote screwing up your read somehow.

I stand by what I said. I am still wondering what your thoughts on gamma are (you seem to be focusing on my words on culted/gamma instead of culted/cheesy because you're most convinced that cheesy is scum out of everyone I think?),

since I do think they've been going out of their way to post actual insight, especially today

.

this is probably a bad time to talk about typos, but bolded should say they've been going out of their way to not post actual insight

[aronagrundy]

it's me wondering why cheesy/gamma are getting away with not posting anything of value today (I explained why this is scummy)

[aronagrundy]

I'm not sure how it was a power of suggestion comment. I've never seen anyone use that phrase on this site until now. If it was it wasn't intentional

[aronagrundy]

prodge, will post more tonight

[aronagrundy]

I still think cheesy/gamma make the most sense as the scumteam. Cheesy keeps on FoSing gamma day 2/3 but always ends up voting for someone else. Like look at this:

Town: Formerfish, Titus, arona, LQ
I'm also 100% positive there's at least 1 town (and likely only 1) between Gamma and tojam2.
And I think there's pretty high likelyhood of 1 scum being between Gamma and culted.
Gamma's flip would give me the most info but I don't wanna lynch him atm. I'm fine with lynching anybody not on my townlist atm.

VOTE: nn30

pedit great minds etc etc

Then gamma posts this:

Gamma do you believe there were no scumpartners on TB's lynch wagon?

TB's lynch wagon was after a CC. That nullifies VCA IMO.

Which is enough for cheesy to post this:

Hmm Gamma goes into my townpile, I wanna see this flip now:

VOTE: tojam2

Then tojam claims vig:

Yeah well it was obvious the vig's either tojam or Gamma since they were the only two people scumreading Vax, wanted to make sure.

UNVOTE:

Gotta think this through

And then he ends up joining the nn30 wagon:

VOTE: nn30

As I said, easy game.

Happy Christmas or holidays or whatever you wanna call it everyone!

Aaaand then the next day he's back to scumreading gamma (even though he ends up voting for culted)

There's gotta be scum between Gamma and culted

[aronagrundy]

I mean assuming culted and I are town, lynching us is scum's only path to a win. I think it makes sense for scum to try to go after culted, especially if they flip town after vocally scumreading me. And culted is who cheesy (and gamma) went after at the beginning of the day

[aronagrundy]

@titus

why do you think I'm scum?

[aronagrundy]

@LQ

Who do you think is scum other than cheesy?

[aronagrundy]

VC please

Gut and experimenting.

And what are the results of your experiment?

[aronagrundy]

@cheesy

My thoughts have been pretty scattered all day so let me clarify: I think you and gammy have acted the scummiest day 2 and 3, and I think culted is the most likely to be town out of the three of you...so you two have to be the scumteam. The stuff I followed up with was said in the context of pre flip stuff, yes, but it's scummy of you regardless of gamma's alignment honestly. You could make a case for you trying to set up gamma as a mislynch in the case of your own lynch, although I don't think that's the case because I think gamma is scum for other reasons that I already mentioned.

I do have a question for you, though: you've semi-consistently scumread gamma, but you're currently voting culted with him. How do you feel about this?

[aronagrundy]

Why not just self-hammer?

[aronagrundy]

I don't see a way for us to win this game so lynch us but first help me lynch Gamma cause he pissed me off in our secret mafia pt and I wanna take revenge on him

VOTE: Gamma

Really? Y'all probably could've pulled off a culted lynch

[aronagrundy]

Cheesy is definitely scum but on the off chance he's lying about gamma as a hail mary gambit or whatever I want him alive tomorrow so aren't stuck debating a mislynch in 3 person lylo

VOTE: gamma

I still think they're both scum btw so I don't really care who goes

[aronagrundy]

*well we'd be debating over mislynching gamma regardless but I don't want that to be the last thing that happens before 3p lylo. Unless y'all think cheesy is just trolling us I don't really see how cheesy/gamma aren't the next two lynches. Again I really doubt that gamma will even be a mislynch

[aronagrundy]

I think you're scum bring honest about your partner.

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: cheesy

For the same reasons I voted him yesterday

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: cheesy

For the same reasons I voted him yesterday

[aronagrundy]

On my phone but I'd just like to respond to the night kill thing. LQ was the only conf town not to vote me yesterday. And scums nk options can literally only be Titus/LQ/tojam because they are confirmed town

[aronagrundy]

Will post a larger reply later btw

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: arona

Your whole case on me being scum relied on Gamma flipping scum, which strongly indicates you'd known his alignment beforehand and- realizing you won't be able to mislynch me easily- is why you've tied me in with him. You haven't thought of the possiblity of me being scum with culted at all, everything people need to do is ISO you and see how you've tried to push me/gamma into their throats all game long.

All game long? I only started arguing that you/gamma were the scumteam after my reread day 3. I came out of that more strongly scumreading gamma, but felt more confident you were scum than culted was (I also thought culted was more likely to be town out of the three of you). I'm not denying that the pre-flip associations you're talking about aren't there, but it was unavoidable. Like I said, during the early game you, gamma, and culted interact with each other quite a bit so it's hard not to form associations, especially when you know 2/3 you're looking at are the scumteam. You can look at my posts day 3 to see how I came to that conclusion.

Also re: being confident gamma was scum: yes I was. I didn't like his interactions with tb day 1, his posts, especially from day 2 on, were passive and he stopped caring at all day 3.

You post this:

Cheesy is definitely scum but on the off chance he's lying about gamma as a hail mary gambit or whatever I want him alive tomorrow so aren't stuck debating a mislynch in 3 person lylo

VOTE: gamma

I still think they're both scum btw so I don't really care who goes

But your very next post is an overexplanation of your convoluted logic, which strictly negates the idea of you "not caring who goes":

*well we'd be debating over mislynching gamma regardless but I don't want that to be the last thing that happens before 3p lylo. Unless y'all think cheesy is just trolling us

I don't really see how cheesy/gamma aren't the next two lynches. Again I really doubt that gamma will even be a mislynch

And the highlighted part shows again you were

sure

Gamma would flip scum. You didn't even take into consideration Gamma flipping town with this nasty lynch lining up.

I think you're scum bring honest about your partner.

Again your dead-set confidence is Gamma's scumflip.

I didn't care who went for real. I preferred gamma, but I was expected more people to show up and give input on you claiming that you/gamma were the scumteam and like I've said a million times, that was my personal belief anyway so if people wanted to lynch you I'd be down. I wasn't expected tojam to hammer tho.

Really? Y'all probably could've pulled off a culted lynch

This looks like scum admitting to have been considering that option, not including yourself as an option out of overconfidence born from getting townread for free all game.

I took your claim seriously and was being honest (plus I think the wagon on me d3 was all town). Also you only have to look at my posts day 3 to show you're wrong about my thoughts on culted (in addition to being wrong that I'm scum).
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Your overall argument doesn't really hold up given the town's situation: at day 3, there were three people confirmed to be town, and four people not confirmed town, two of which were scum. If I was scum what would bussing gamma accomplish? Me/you/culted were always going to be heavily scrutinized because one of us has to be scum. Any towncred I could've gained wouldn't be worth the risks.

[aronagrundy]

Also, concerning cheezy's scum claim day 3, why would town at L-1 claim scum? I don't see any town motivation behind the post.

[aronagrundy]

Also, concerning cheezy's scum claim day 3, why would town at L-1 claim scum? I don't see any town motivation behind the post.

Why would scum claim at L-1 and out their partner instead of just outright bussing them in hope for towncred? Besides I'm pretty sure I would've gotten modkilled for this shit. But yeah that's prolly why mod has closed the thread and made it look like he intervened or whatever.

Ok well why did you claim scum in the first place?

I will say the one thing that gives me pause about you is the fact that you suddenly started giving a shit after being apathetic yesterday.

[aronagrundy]

Also, concerning cheezy's scum claim day 3, why would town at L-1 claim scum? I don't see any town motivation behind the post.

Why would scum claim at L-1 and out their partner instead of just outright bussing them in hope for towncred? Besides I'm pretty sure I would've gotten modkilled for this shit. But yeah that's prolly why mod has closed the thread and made it look like he intervened or whatever.

Anyone with mod experience want to speak on this?

[aronagrundy]

Seriously, the sole fact that arona dropped me and went for Gamma when I fucking scumclaimed is a scumclaim on its own. It makes exactly 0 sense to do that as town, it's clear as a day she wanted to incriminate me with his flip.

I already explained why I went after gamma (he was my most consistent scumread that day was a big part of that). I guess I'm not used to people literally claiming scum at L-1 and saw no reason not to believe it. There was probably some conf bias in there too since you/gamma was what I was arguing through most of day 3.

btw what do you think of culted's case on me?

[aronagrundy]

If I was scum and you were town, why wouldn't I just sit back and see if someone hammered you after you claimed scum?

[aronagrundy]

Don't discount culted. Like cheesy said he's ignoring this game which makes sense if me v cheesy is tvt.

I brought up culteds case on me because it's bad compared to cheesys case on me. Like cheesy is pushing me on pre flip associations when I openly did that. Culted case had way more misreps (arbitrarily calling my posts fake, ignoring parts of my posts about tb). I don't think we should be giving culted a free pass here

[aronagrundy]

I made it clear I disagreed with your case when you made it, but chose to focus my efforts on my reread instead. I sorted you as town based on your posts late day 1 and then I didn't think much of it when gamma/cheesy both acted like they were giving up (hence my tunnel on them). I think I've explained pretty clearly why I'm starting to doubt cheesy: yeah his vote on gamma makes sense if he was scum giving up, and I would definitely argue he played like he was giving up day 3. But now all of a sudden he cares again and I can't tell if he thinks he has an opening with lynching me or if he's actually town. Also I have no idea if cheesy would actually get modkilled for outing himself and his partner as the scumteam.

[aronagrundy]

I'll leave the choice of hammer up to confirmed-town.
VOTE: arona

Why are you trying to end the day early?

[aronagrundy]

Fine, let's go detective:
Town Arona votes Gamma because:
Regardless of Gamma's flip, we know who we're lynching today.

Town Arona votes cheesy because:
He scumclaimed and outed his partner.

Scum Arona votes gamma because:
She knows they are scum and wants towncred for lynching scum.
Cheesy is probably going to get lynched the next day, taking it to 3p lylo

Scum Arona votes cheesy because:
She needs to target the most vulnerable town to go to lylo.

Again, if I was scum, if I waited to see if town lynched cheesy, I could already be in lylo today.

[aronagrundy]

You're calling on titus to hammer me or cheesy.

As to your other point, why can't my opinions change? I felt like you were misrepping me from the start, but I was willing to let it go because of gamma/cheesy's actions that day (it's not just that one point in your case I disagree with either btw). If I'm starting to doubt my cheesy read now, I'm going to reevaluate your case, especially when both you and cheesy are scumreading me for different things.

[aronagrundy]

Gg y'all!

And to be fair cheesy I tunneled you first