Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Cemetary

[JasonWazza]

so even a location that was dangerous in the book may be the housing or an artifact, and vice versa.

This would imply that it's not going to be both.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: JasonWazza

I have a decent idea what it is, and i'd be willing to take it.

And as a side note, assuming Mafia knows what places are bad/what places have items, we have to suspect anyone who wanted to stay in the woods/Go to the shops.

[JasonWazza]

Yes considering prior knowledge of the locations, that would imply that anyone saying we should go to the woods/shops were going for worse outcomes.

[JasonWazza]

that Being said, Probably a safe case to give it to someone who didn't vote for either Shops/Woods as a precaution seen as we have very little info right now.

[JasonWazza]

your thought only maybe works if you ASSUME that only scum would have such knowledge, and we know they don't (because it was shared openly in the thread)

First off the mod has said that the locations have been randomized.

Second do you really think that the mod would use randomness to decide on items and whatnot, and then not have anyone know what is waiting down any of the quest's pathes?

Because if you think the second is wrong, then this game is just super fucking swingy, and probably not the most well designed game.

[JasonWazza]

Well i don't.

[JasonWazza]

Why are you assuming scum know all the paths?

Why are you assuming this item is good?

Informed Minority, and makes sense for the game mechanic.

I know what the item is, and it benefits my class well if i'm right as to what it does.

[JasonWazza]

Do you guys realize that you guys saying "no your wrong" doesn't really affect my thinking?

Also how can you get better then what we got?/How can you not get worse then what we got?

[JasonWazza]

Exactly how is my logic flawed?

Because you say so?

Doesn't seem like a good reason.

Why are you assuming scum know all the paths?

Why are you assuming this item is good?

Informed Minority, and makes sense for the game mechanic.

I know what the item is, and it benefits my class well if i'm right as to what it does.

Ravens?

Yeah.

[JasonWazza]

Why are you assuming scum know all the paths?

Why are you assuming this item is good?

Informed Minority, and makes sense for the game mechanic.

I know what the item is, and it benefits my class well if i'm right as to what it does.

Ravens?

As an aside, i'm not a class that can use this to it's full effect, but i believe i can use it well enough.

/beingcryptic

[JasonWazza]

I'm erring more on it having a specific power and not the actual powers it presents.

P-EDIT: Why? because we know the material?

[JasonWazza]

Regardless i still think i'm the best candidate for the item, outside of everyone disclosing their class, which ain't going to happen.

[JasonWazza]

I'm intrigued as to why you both think i'm scum.

Because it seriously does seem to only be "you know about the story and have been arguing mechanics rawr"

[JasonWazza]

I don't trust Jason with the amulet, alignment wise

It's not that I think you're scum

These 2 statements are contradictory.

[JasonWazza]

I am 100% against Dunnstral getting the item btw.

[JasonWazza]

The second, and i don't believe in giving something to a claimed miller.

[JasonWazza]

Shaddow, it's flavor text, but that doesn't mean it can do something completely different.

It's not like a black mage will be a doctor, so if you can relate something to what it's possible equivalents are then you likely have an idea of what something can do.

[JasonWazza]

Who do you propose is this stronger town read then?

[JasonWazza]

idk let's wait out.

[JasonWazza]

I do believe keeping it secretive is better, for the simple fact that then the Scum don't know how strong/weak it could be and this forces them into a worse spot.

[JasonWazza]

Also as an aside, giving the items (in general) to strong town reads is a bad idea, because your just asking for the Scum to start killing them.

[JasonWazza]

I'm more versed in 5th ed.

[JasonWazza]

If hung, the player may declare another player to leave his belongings to during twilight time.

For Clarity's sake, if the hung person doesn't declare another player to leave his belongings to, where do they go?

[JasonWazza]

hey Sha, is that a name you recognize for the item?

[JasonWazza]

I figured as much, ok then just making sure i'm not completely mis-remembering this.

[JasonWazza]

UNVOTE: JasonWazza
VOTE: Pine

I don't think there is any point delaying this phase, as it's just making us waste time we could be discussing who to lynch, and any more information that is relevant to this getting out is not going to be helpful for town.

[JasonWazza]

?

[JasonWazza]

What about what pine has said?

[JasonWazza]

Oh and I'm, just on another thought, remembering JasonWazza coming in trying to call people scum for wanting to go to the shops and the woods. His delivery and tone with it all set off my scumdar.

How exactly does that make me scum?

What part of the delivery was "off"?

VOTE: drealmerz7

[JasonWazza]

Jason, I disagree with your vote. How are you reading shaziro atm?

Not entirely sure yet, but i don't think he is today's lynch at all, and he would be one i wouldn't vote unless something major comes up.

[JasonWazza]

Why are we policy lynching someone that was V/LA?

[JasonWazza]

Amulet of St. Markovia. I tried googling it but didn't find anything. If Pine flips scum, then one of the people with flavor knowledge (shaz or jason, IMO shaz) is likely scum as well and fed him info in the scum chat.

If it was me or Shaz, why would we tell him about the WRONG item.

[JasonWazza]

If it was me or Shaz, why would we tell him about the WRONG item.

Aside from the potential associative, what do you think of the other points I made against him?

Can you link me to this, in the middle of a league game

[JasonWazza]

If it was me or Shaz, why would we tell him about the WRONG item.

Aside from the potential associative, what do you think of the other points I made against him?

Can you link me to this, in the middle of a league game

It's in the same damn post that you just quoted. I made three points, and you started quoting partway into the third. But here you go:

This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:

The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.

I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.

You can self-heal.

First, if this is true, town has every reason NOT to claim this. You should WANT scum to target you, thereby wasting a shot. Scum OTOH could claim it to explain why they weren't NK'd, as previously noted.

Second, it would be incredibly unfair to scum for a townie to have unlimited self-heals. This would likely be a 1X or at most 2X power. You claim the amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. Yet, you say that it isn't likely to be useful to you.

I may or may not be brain dead and not realize that you were talking about Pine.

I'm meh on him, i don't like how he claimed, and the way he went around claiming, but i'm not really overly thinking he is lynch worthy at this point.

[JasonWazza]

I'm meh on him, i don't like how he claimed, and the way he went around claiming, but i'm not really overly thinking he is lynch worthy at this point.

So you see those things as negative, but don't think he's lynch worthy. OTOH you have a vote on drealmerz but haven't made a case on her at all. Why is drealmerz more lynch worthy than Pine, and why aren't you explaining or pushing your case? Feels like scum who can't make a case but know that they're supposed to be voting someone.

Me not posting a case = me not having a case?

[JasonWazza]

Me not posting a case = me not having a case?

Yes, that's certainly a possibility.

Another is that you have a case but aren't posting it. There's no town motivation for doing that. Sometimes a person doesn't post a case because it's incomplete and they don't want to tip off the suspect, but in that situation they don't tip off the suspect by voting them.

I have a case, it's mostly just me procrastinating to typing it up.

[JasonWazza]

Further, here's a link. I found it on my very first Google attempt, using the terms Strahd and amulet, because I couldn't recall the name that Shaziro said.

.......?

Does this stand out to anyone else?

[JasonWazza]

Oh and I'm, just on another thought, remembering JasonWazza coming in trying to call people scum for wanting to go to the shops and the woods. His delivery and tone with it all set off my scumdar.

How exactly does that make me scum?

What part of the delivery was "off"?

VOTE: drealmerz7

@mod: I am voting Drealmerz

Thank you. Fixed in the above VC.

[JasonWazza]

Shaz are you sold on what we have been told the item does?

[JasonWazza]

It's just for something that would be so class specific, i don't see it being that because i think a lot of x-shot abilities would exist (this is role madness) meaning it's basically usable by most players.

[JasonWazza]

A question was brought up to me that was not explained in the rules. I added it to the rules section, but here is the relevant rule:

If someone has an item (and it's uses not depleted) when they die, one of two things happen. If hung, the player may declare another player to leave his belongings to during twilight time. That player will receive any items the lynchee had just before we change to Night Phase. If they were killed during the night, the item(s) will be voted on a new recipient at Quest Selection the next Day Phase. Votes will tracked separately for Quest Selection and Item Receiving during Part One of Day Phase.

If you have any questions about this, let me know.

Shaziro, I'd like to give you the amulet, but do you think you can make the best use of it?

VOTE: Pine

I enjoy special effects.

Okay, because being subtle isn't working, let me be blunt. I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia. It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.

I am one of those two.

Pine can you tell me exactly how you were being subtle here and why you didn't think to try something else that was subtle instead of just straight out claiming?

Because i don't see any attempt at subtle, yet you say you were trying to be subtle.

[JasonWazza]

Hey pine, I did ask you a question.

[JasonWazza]

So your saying your way of being subtle is "i like special powers"?

Because that is pathetic.

[JasonWazza]

Again, commenting on process rather than facts or interpretation of facts is how you pretend to scumhunt, which is what I'm getting from you. Scum like to stomp their feet and demand increasingly hair-splitting answers to inane questions, which is what you're doing.

Ask me a question that isn't just veiled shade, and I'll answer it.

You say i'm throwing shade, but that isn't the case, i'm trying to work out your thinking, to see if it's town thinking or scum thinking.

[JasonWazza]

That's not the objective of that question, though. You're asking "How is this subtle?" That's not an alignment-indicative thing. It's an "Ah crap that attempt at subtlety didn't work, I'd better just come out with it" thing. You can't reframe the narrative of your question when called on it. If you'd owned the fact that your line of questioning was shitty and unproductive, I'd give you Towncred, but instead you're making excuses. Again, your side of this conversation is an effort to mimic scumhunting.

Me trying to understand your thinking is me being scum.

Your logic is impecable and you don't seem like your trying to find something to latch onto at all.

Hell i'm just trying to get a read on you, i haven't said anything to you being either alignment.

[JasonWazza]

My questioning of you, is attempting to work out your mindset, you are just trying to frame what i said as scummy.

[JasonWazza]

Both of them jumped on pine wagon which makes me feel insecure about it.

I AM NOT VOTING PINE AND HAVEN'T EVEN GIVEN OUT THOUGHTS REGARDING HIM

[JasonWazza]

Scum in { BRantz' slot}

Logic/10

1 post on the slot.

[JasonWazza]

Anyone that plays with creature, is he just another SnarkySnowman?

Because that is how he seems to me.

[JasonWazza]

Jason, this is qhy your questions were bullshit.

They don't speak to motive or reasoning, they spoke to process and method under the guise of mindset

, while not actually providing either. The initial softclaim was an

error

, one which I shouldn't have made regardless of alignment. I'm just trying to clean up my mess and not lose Town a PR at this point.

You sir are a pain in the ass.

You are just putting shit in my mouth.

I was asking for motive or reasoning behind your thoughts, you not wanting to provide that is your own issue.

[JasonWazza]

Seriously don't know why there isn't more votes on Drealmerz.

I can sort of understand the Pine wagon, but i'm still meh on it.

[JasonWazza]

Because why contribute to a real wagon when you can pretend your contributing?

[JasonWazza]

Remember how scum have day chat?

[JasonWazza]

VOTE: Jasonwazza

Promises case on dreal and doesn't deliver, goes back to item spec, now has disappeared with deadline looming.

I didn't promise shit.

[JasonWazza]

Dreal is 100% scum, why are we not lynching him?

[JasonWazza]

Well given that there was something like 5 people voting Dreal, i don't think i need to bother typing up a case.

[JasonWazza]

So your confidence is lowered by my not posting a case how?

Like legitimately that is a shitty reason.

[JasonWazza]

So your confidence is lowered by my not posting a case how?

Like legitimately that is a shitty reason.

You seem to be saying that one should have equal confidence in a naked vote and in a vote with a case. That's just ridiculous.

Not what i'm saying at all.

I'm saying that Shaz shouldn't be less confident in a vote because i haven't posted a case, if he has read the person properly, anything i say will be a rehash

Because you started the wagon but won't give your reasons for thinking the person is scum, and were waiting for others to find your proof for you? It makes it look like you either didn't have a case and were just hoping that people would find some scummy parts of a town players iso, or you are bussing but weren't hoping people would actually get the wagon going too hard. If you have a case, why won't you post it?

Why is it my job to show you the proof?

And the reason i haven't posted a case is laziness.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah, for somebody who has a case, you're sure afraid to share it. Waiting for VC, but if it isn't hammer I'm willing to move my vote to Jason.

You sir are an idiot.

I have said multiple times i just am being lazy towards typing the case up.

[JasonWazza]

And that's an acceptable excuse because...?

I never said it was acceptable, i'm pointing out that voting me for laziness (which generally isn't alignment indicative) is a terrible idea.

[JasonWazza]

Logic/10

[JasonWazza]

I'm just gonna claim because you guys lynching me helps no one.

I am a form of bodyguard, that can also be used during a quest casualty (as a day ability).

[JasonWazza]

I'm an Eldritch Knight

[JasonWazza]

So you have definitely not fully claimed.

Well the role Part of my role leans towards the fighter aspect, hence why i believed that i would be able to use the item efficiently.

[JasonWazza]

The fact that i didn't line up entirely with my role is part of the reason that i suspected the ability to use the item (and i will say given what Pine has said i can use the item part that he declared)

[JasonWazza]

jason, speak up next time you're being mislynched when someone is pointing out the truth about you. i know it all happened fast, but you were around at the start of it all. if you had stepped up to validate what I was saying, my vote wouldn't have returned to you. you were at L-1, it was time to lay it all on the table.

What?

Shaz just said i was lying and i was lynched based off that, you guys followed the scum onto my wagon, and fuck didn't even question it afterwards.

I was exactly what i said i was, there was no town motivation for me to lie, and if i was going to lie as a scum player, i would come up with a believable lie, not pick something that would leave me with a scum player having the option to say that makes no sense, so trying to give me any shit is pathetic.

[JasonWazza]

I mean you were saying someone was "pointing out the truth about me"

So essentially your saying i was lying or some shit.

I laid it all on the table, and then was promptly lynched for shitty reasons.

[JasonWazza]

time of my claim: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:03 am
Time of my last post: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:47 am
Time of the lynch: Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:59 am

Sorry i went to sleep, now kindly fuck off.

[JasonWazza]

well your issue is that i claimed and left the thread.

I'm letting you know that i left for 4 hours and that's not a good reason.

Hell i claimed prior to even being at L-1 to avoid a shitty lynch, and that somehow prompted you guys to lynch me even faster.

Hell if i recall the reason for lynching me was for being right about the game in that Strahd knew what lay down each of the options.

So please, someone explain that lynch in a way that doesn't make it sound utterly stupid.

[JasonWazza]

And yes i'm giving you venom because that lynch doesn't make any more sense now then it did when it happened, and your trying to lecture me on how to play better.

[JasonWazza]

You are saying that like me being an asshole got me lynched.

This is post game, and i'm not getting lynched now, and my abrasive nature is part of my playstyle that actually helps me find scum.

You guys didn't lynch me based on being an asshole.

[JasonWazza]

jason, speak up next time you're being mislynched when someone is pointing out the truth about you. i know it all happened fast, but you were around at the start of it all. if you had stepped up to validate what I was saying, my vote wouldn't have returned to you. you were at L-1, it was time to lay it all on the table.

BTW this is the advice you were trying to give to me, not anything to do with me being an asshole.

Like how dare i go to sleep when it's 5 fucking am here, and i have been up all night, and not instead make a post that could take half an hour instead of trying to delay that a few hours until i wake up.

[JasonWazza]

Isn't that what we just played?

[JasonWazza]

The biggest issue tends to be the delay that occurs in doing things due to the forum nature.