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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:05 am

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VOTE: Fate

You're not
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:12 am

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In post 12, Fate wrote:VOTE: Aj the epic

Scum used to be hard to find
*insert snarky response about you just being bad*

There's really no point in worrying about D2 already. If Vig shoots tonight and misses, then we'll have to mass claim tomorrow. That's about all there is to it.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:35 am

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Losing a day 1 lynch would be absolutely awful from the side of advancing our knowledge of alignment. Like losing a day 1 lynch would suck for associative tells and just end up forfeiting whoever scum thought was the most town player.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:32 am

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If you mass claim, the role block hits cop tonight and the kill hits doctor, probably. Especially since it's not in our best interest to vig. Ergo massclaiming day 1 puts us in a certain disadvantage, especially before any results exist.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:54 am

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We're not doing RQS at this point.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #5) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:56 pm

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Apparently no one on epicmafia has ever been to a hospital
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Post Post #99 (isolation #6) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:54 pm

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I didn't even read the setup when I started posting. Just felt like playing a game.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:56 pm

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@tammy

Investigative roles aren't gated AFAIK. There's 1 of them, not one shot. Mafia RB, Town Doctor, Town Vig have x shots.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:40 am

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In post 110, Persivul wrote:
In post 97, Tammy wrote:What would lead me to think it's an open game anyway? Here's the post I looked at. What looks special about it that I should have noticed. Does it say "OPEN GAME EVERYONE THERE'S FOUR SCUM MAKE SURE YOU NOTICE THAT" anywhere?
No, but when you click on
Description
it tells you exactly what roles are in the game.
In post 115, Persivul wrote:
In post 111, Tammy wrote:Who does that?
I did, and I believe some other people did.
And why are you acting like I'm supposed to?

Where was my scum motivation for reacting to the setup the way I did though?
In my experience, scum, who know the alignments, are less likely to have thoroughly read the setup than town. Further, while setup spec can be beneficial, it can also be used as a way to appear busy without really scum hunting.
...You realize that when Tammy signed up for this game, she did not have a role?
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Post Post #149 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:04 am

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In post 145, Fate wrote:Every post AJ has made are my reasons
Ah the low-effort shitposting begins.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #10) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:59 pm

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In post 164, Reflektor wrote:This is a pretty lame approach, actually; I always thought you were the type that didn't mind a bit of setup speculation but maybe I'm just assuming that because Rubix Cube avatar and puzzles?
I actually hate setup spec but that's because as scum I love making fake claims. Ergo I don't do a lot of it on either side. In this game in particular I don't see much benefit to coordinating actions until the scum RB is gone.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #11) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:02 pm

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What's your opinion on Fate?

Also find it funny that you scum read me BEFORE learning I don't do a lot of setup spec (because of a mafia-expressed reason ROFL) and still scum read me after, when it seems to be the bulk of your read.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:15 am

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In post 210, Reflektor wrote:
In post 206, Aj The Epic wrote:(because of a mafia-expressed reason ROFL)
I don't actually understand what you mean by this.
The reason I don't like setup spec is because of something I do as scum, not anything in particular I do as town. So using my discussion of setup spec this game (which is also unique for me as I don't play a lot of open setups) makes less sense when my expressed reason is basically for helping my scum meta.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #13) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:19 am

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Also is it too much to ask for that both Shadonra and Fate show up scum? I've never played with Fate but I'd imagine a 5 year vet wouldn't struggle this much getting into a game/tripping over himself in the first few pages as town.

Persivul I think it's actually more likely that it's just subconscious use of the phrase from Gamma, and Reflektor just used Gamma's wording to respond.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #14) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:47 pm

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...Why shadonra, when the only post was quoting your sentiment?
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Post Post #239 (isolation #15) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:41 pm

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What point does a vote have if you're just stating you'll switch it off?
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Post Post #248 (isolation #16) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 166, Aj The Epic wrote:[..other words...] In this game in particular I don't see much benefit to coordinating actions until the scum RB is gone.
Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not a fan of hypoclaiming, especially with the presence of a roleblocker.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #17) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:28 pm

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As far as I know, Fate's never played with or against me.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:34 am

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Well you get to play mafia but so far that's been an unused option too.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:34 am

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VOTE: BBmolla

I mean honestly you couldn't ask for a more useless vote than dropping one on indigo. Wants LuV wagon, gets two generic townreads, moves on to Fate. He even says Uzi's posts aren't good. Which, going by his last post
In post 282, BBmolla wrote:In all honesty I'm not voting for pressure any more im just voting who I think is most likely scum
He should still be voting LuV as he's said nothing about Fate anyways.

Also he actually took part in RQS so fuck him.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:49 am

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You're one to protest.

I'm undecided on Medea and so I'm not going to contribute to it.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:50 am

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I have thoughts ofc, but none of them are worth shit. Medea's posting a lot more than I would early on. I find it interesting Medea has picked up so much focus and so little followup, be it votes or anything beyond a passing interest. I don't give a fuck about tone and it's too early to notice any odd motives. Ergo I'm just watching.
In post 314, BBmolla wrote:If you were a president you'd be Howard Daft.
Least I'd be a president. The only election you're gonna win is this lynch vote.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:55 pm

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VLA until early the 16th/late 15th. New trainee at work and I'm picking extra hours for their training
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Post Post #386 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:56 pm

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In post 378, Fate wrote:
Potential Glorious randommidget wagon:


(2): Fate, -Grey-

Any other takers?
I'd be down.

Grey I don't understand how to read your 367's read list.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:51 pm

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VOTE: Randommidget

We can consolidate here.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:22 pm

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No. A.) No directing Vigs and B.) not gonna rely on a vig to do the scumhunting work anyways.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:10 am

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And to address Raelo's concern, this is what I expected. There's a spoken but previously unshown consensus for proceeding with RM. I had stated that I'd be interested in helping that. Over 100 posts and nothing happened with BBmola or the gamestate in general, it was best to temporarily move on.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:34 pm

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Yeah but with you, grammar isn't a joke.

Not a fan of the gamma scum read, Medea. Yeah RQS isn't needed but there's nothing inherently scummy about it. Really I don't think your read on him is very thorough either because he's done a lot of setup spec, but you blatantly ignore that aspect. TBH I think the RQS is the weakest thing you could scumread gamma for out of his iso, and I'm not really scumreading him to begin with.

I'm thinking Random/Medea/Molla right now.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:40 am

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In post 474, Realeo wrote:@AJ: I personally cannot see what you mean.
And to address Raelo's concern, this is what I expected. There's a spoken but previously unshown consensus for proceeding with RM. I had stated that I'd be interested in helping that. Over 100 posts and nothing happened with BBmola or the gamestate in general, it was best to temporarily move on.
So whatevah.. Let's stop scumhunting and lynch him?

And where does Medea comes from? I'm branding you sheeping scum. You say I'm undecided in the past. What changes?
It was definitely a 'let's see what happens' style vote. RM is kinda null leaning scum for me so with there being other interest, I'd like to take the opportunity to find out more. And thus far, I'm pretty happy with it. BBMolla's sideline posts and RM's flailing (specifically 457 where he calls himself a 'low hanging fruit') all bode well for this wagon.

With Medea, the reads list explanation was bad. I think I've already explained that. My initial thought was Tammy and Medea were in an interesting position of Medea asking questions when they were being the suspected and Tammy being really accusatory for page 3. There's also a lot of meta reads and conversation between Tammy/Medea so I just decided to not bother with it. The more recent posts from medea guide this read in it's entirety.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:02 am

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My belief with calling yourself low hanging fruit or 'an easy ML' or anything of that sort is that you've made yourself that way.

The only exception is replacements but then there's ahmished tells.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:24 am

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In post 482, -Grey- wrote:
In post 473, Aj The Epic wrote:Yeah but with you, grammar isn't a joke.
You don't even know me.
All I know is concurring is literally defined as agreeing.
randomidget wrote:
In post 481, Aj The Epic wrote:My belief with calling yourself low hanging fruit or 'an easy ML' or anything of that sort is that you've made yourself that way.

The only exception is replacements but then there's ahmished tells.
i was really ill for the first few days of the game so I didn't really get into it. you can meta me if you want and you can see that this isn't alignment indicative for me.
Well aren't you glad that you have the perfect opportunity to get into this game?
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Post Post #527 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:44 am

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BBmolla, Persivul.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:28 pm

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Reflektor wrote:
In post 527, Aj The Epic wrote:BBmolla, Persivul.
Why?
In post 447, Persivul wrote:
In post 446, Fate wrote:Persivul you're trying real hard to paint me as scum.
I don't need to try. That push on random is the scummiest thing in the game so far.
What's scummy about having a null-read you want vigged and don't want to waste a wagon on?
You floated a wagon as a trial balloon with the vig shot as a CYA in case it didn't take off. Actually, if you now claimed that you wanted the wagon as pressure because he's a null read who isn't participating (it took a wagon to get you to do much), I might buy that. But now claiming that you didn't want a wagon on him after ? That's just bullshit.
I especially like how you don't comment on random's alignment at all or try to tell us what kind of interaction it is.
I just checked his ISO - he's posted ~15 sentences. The obvious comment on his alignment at this point is
null
. We have two investigators to check inactive players. Or, we could wagon them to get them to talk - but you don't want a wagon, you want a vig shot.
Am I trying to mislynch him (if so there's so much support I would've gone for it) bus him? Please do tell
So much support? I see you, grey, and shadonra. That's less than half of what's needed. And, this reinforces the point that you're not interested in sorting him. You just want him dead.

This + the spoilered one on Fate is mostly just a tunnel on fate that's not going anywhere fast. He had that part with Tammy where he said "scum don't read as much, they already know the answer" for setup reading when Tammy said she didn't read the set up when SIGNING UP which was really weird. That one in particular felt like him trying to push a scum read where there needn't be one.

BBMolla's a harder one for me but mainly his entrance with a no lynch vote, his misdirection-ridden play with obvious fake claims and votes indigo when Indigo's only real contribution to the game was saying LUV wasn't scummy. His read on Fate feels superficial as there's nothing prior to back up that opinion of his on Fate or RM.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:04 pm

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Uh... right back at you?
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Post Post #575 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:43 am

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In post 565, Realeo wrote:
In post 24, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 12, Fate wrote:VOTE: Aj the epic

Scum used to be hard to find
*insert snarky response about you just being bad*

There's really no point in worrying about D2 already. If Vig shoots tonight and misses, then we'll have to mass claim tomorrow. That's about all there is to it.
Empking! BbMolla! Why don't you scumread this? Isn't this robotic~not scared of apocalyptic commet attack attitude
Sorry, I'll reprogram myself to be hysterical at the thought of going into Lylo day 2.

OMG A SCENARIO THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BUT MIGHT NOT WHY THE FUCK DO I EXIST SOMEONE SAVE MY SOUL FROM THIS GAME AHHH LYLO

Is that enough for you? Dude it's not hard. We lynch scum, scenario doesn't happen. There's no point getting concerned about something we can prevent by just being good.

Realeo wrote:
In post 555, Realeo wrote:
In post 551, Reflektor wrote:(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).
We are a little bit desperate at this point.

Vig and GS really should consider shooting and gunning


Vig should shoot for more info.

GS should gun for a clear in potentialy D2 lylo.
...no the GS shouldn't give a gun.
Reflektor wrote:I'm disappointed that there aren't more LUV opinions in thread right now, especially from Fate; I understand you might not want to follow, but I'd hope a bro vote would at least be worth an honorableention.
As far as I'm concerned, you're the one with the most ability to read/understand him. I see your comparison and understand where you're coming from but I also kinda really want RM to show what he really is.



On this note, why is Persivul getting so universally townread? Noticing it in Realo's reads, it's come up in Grey's too? And at least one other person.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:37 pm

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No fuck creature style... Hard to read and boringly inefficient as it only gives 'who i'd lynch'.

I miss the old reads where you just list names and go 'town because shortass reason'.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #36) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:06 am

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Yeah I don't think it gets to that point of being competing wagons though...
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Post Post #637 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:07 pm

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Dude what a floozy.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #38) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:32 pm

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If we're not doing RM

VOTE: BBMolla

Still appreciate you Realeo, even if you've been on off all game.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:06 am

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Don't let the fact that RM has literally not mentioned me all game distract you from the fact that the warriors blew a 3-1 lead.

Also his content has literally SUCKED this entire game. If for some godforsaken reason we do let this BBMolla wagon fall apart, let's string this scumbag up.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:48 am

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BBMolla essentially claimed VT.

Is there anyone actually reading RM as town right now after that shit?
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Post Post #664 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:04 am

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You need five other people to lynch Grey with 22 hours left. Where are your supporters?
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Post Post #669 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:20 am

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Fate wrote:I still read rm as town
Why? He complains about out of game shit preventing him from committing here and then afterwards still proceeds to not be able to contribute in any meaningful way. His votes are blatantly unsupported by any of his prior views and his posts lack any content.

Then again, your vote on me earlier describes a lot of the same issues....
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Post Post #681 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:16 pm

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VOTE: RandomMidget

I'm VT so go ahead but this dude is the biggest scumfuck in this game.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:47 pm

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Grey is scum, RM is scum. Fate needs to get his act together or get shot. Fuck BBmolla, he's still scum.

Uzi is town, Realo is wrong but town, shadoronna is probs town.

Assuming a missed vig shot, mass claim. Start with RM. Go to BBMolla (who hinted VT so suspect any other bullshit). Look Reflector next, into Grey. Afterwards IDGAF that's probably the scum team if Fate isn't scum.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:48 pm

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Also I have no idea what game Empking is playing, but LUV ain't scum...
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Post Post #698 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:48 pm

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And lastly, do NOT trust pursivul.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:50 pm

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I ain't flipping scum you dunces. As scum I just shut up and leave after being lynched and don't bother with this garbage.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:58 pm

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Please for the love of god do something nasty to RM. Like at least force his ass to post something that shows his alignment because his play should scream scum especially with his vote on me.

Also p-edit: Why? Grey's acting to fit his vote.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:18 pm

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Uh gonna put this out here:

I don't normally read meta and just did a really quick glance. Grey's scum meta is calm, nice... the kinda person you'd take out to see your parents. His town meta is that of an obnoxious asshole, but one that presses shit.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #50) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:23 pm

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No, I was reading it quickly so it didn't get locked. But it's a HUGE and evident tonal difference, of which he won so I doubt he really re-evaluated it.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:44 pm

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Grey, you're still not talking down to people in that game (I know this is kinda a jerk way to describe your town game, but it's a mix of sheer confidence and the 'why the fuck aren't you as good as me' kinda posts behind it). I actually haven't checked to see what you're doing this game, it was mostly an observation for Medea to look at.

On that note, I would REALLY love a random lynch. MAYBE Fate.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:45 pm

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and by random, I mean Random Midget, not RNG
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Post Post #773 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:05 pm

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Yes.
In post 765, Realeo wrote:
Empking could easily be scum
Unless you are suggesting Empking bus Aj, I don't think so.
That would be assuming me for scum.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:34 pm

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Grey you realize that in no point of my read did I make a verdict about your alignment.

You decided that verdict yourself.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:37 pm

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In post 797, -Grey- wrote:
In post 796, Aj The Epic wrote:Grey you realize that in no point of my read did I make a verdict about your alignment.

You decided that verdict yourself.
Considering the content of your posts, it was a foregone conclusion.

If you want to state otherwise, I'd love to see you try to justify it.
I wasn't planning on making a conclusion with that meta read. it was a suggestion to Medea to check it in depth for tomorrow.
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