Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

[Raskolnikov]

1. mattblackguy
2. GAYreenHamster
3. Shade
4. rakkar
5. schadd_
6. Raskolnikov (SE)
7. ThinkBig (SE)
8. gigabyteTroubadour (SE)
9. Creature (IC)

[Raskolnikov]

1. mattblackguy
2. GAYreenHamster
3. Shade
4. rakkar
5. schadd_
6. Raskolnikov (SE)
7. ThinkBig (SE)
8. gigabyteTroubadour (SE)
9. Creature (IC)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

responding to matt rn but i keep seeing these in my pedits and i'm not really following the thought process here

Why make a bunch of lists? I think you're crossing off the right people if you're going Creature style but i don't get the difference between 300 and 301

[Creature]

I remember them. both in the same game, actually. vedith claimed his PR d1 and got mislynched because he confused a no-result with a not-guilty. lycanfire said something akin to "x, y, z are scum. but never lynching these players: [entire scumteam]"

it sure was a massacre!

What game?

[Aeronaut]

- VoteCount 1.5 -
With 9 players still alive, it's 5 to lynch!

[L-5] mattblackguy -
[L-5] GAYreenHamster -
[L-5] schadd -
[L-3] Shade - gigabyteTroubadour, Creature
[L-5] Raskolnikov -
[L-3] ThinkBig - schadd_, Shade
[L-5] gigabyteTroubadour -
[L-4] Creature - ThinkBig
[L-3] rakkar - mattblackguy, Raskolnikov

Not Voting - rakkar, GAYreenHamster

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-01-18 20:00:00)

[Raskolnikov]

1. mattblackguy
2. GAYreenHamster ?
3. Shade ? [not with think]
4. rakkar ?
5. schadd_
6. Raskolnikov (SE)
7. ThinkBig (SE) ?
8. gigabyteTroubadour (SE) ?
9. Creature (IC)

yeah this look about right.

[mattblackguy]

Testing to see if this post goes through.

[mattblackguy]

post or perish (i say voting for the person out of the most active most likely to flip scum )

I don't really follow what you are saying here. Aren't the more active players more likely to be town, because contributing as town as a direct positive correlation to our goal? And aren't the players that are lurking, and not contributing much more likely to be scum, because they don't want to help the town figure out the puzzle? (sorry for my previous post, but I tried to post this 3 times and it wasn't going through!)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

basically I think Shade looks the worst from a TB townflip, while his questions were good (the ones you quoted I did like), I felt they were more like... questions asking about the game itself rather than questions to find motivation? He seems really hyperfocused on TB to me but his thought process/what questions he comes up with doesn't seem to follow that mindset

@Raskolnikov why you tried to put him in L1 if you didn't want him to claim?

GAYreenHamster was kinda opportunistic there as well but they didn't vote.

Thinkbig is not a newbie so if its known that people must claim after an intent on MS, him claiming there is actually scummy.

just seems like he's trying to parse things that are scummy, but the fact that collectively they don't seem to mesh right to me. He could argue it's TB/GAYreen from this, but the question to Rask reads in a way where he wants to find it suspicious so that angle doesn't make too much sense.

it implies scum mindset because he (at least where i stand in reads) can't be scum with TB and knows he flips town if he's scum, so this looks like he's setting up the right direction to push after the flip.

{TB, Shade, rakkar} probably contains both scum, but TB/Shade are unlikely partners. in theory rakkar is the right lynch, but I figured voting for the towniest of the three would

pedit: damn it rasko i wanted to point it out

also creature it's open 651

post or perish (i say voting for the person out of the most active most likely to flip scum )

I don't really follow what you are saying here. Aren't the more active players more likely to be town, because contributing as town as a direct positive correlation to our goal? And aren't the players that are lurking, and not contributing much more likely to be scum, because they don't want to help the town figure out the puzzle? (sorry for my previous post, but I tried to post this 3 times and it wasn't going through!)

Mostly, yeah, but scum also care about survival, and to do that they need to look town. I think Shade is capable of at least getting close.

[Creature]

Watch out with who's just inflating their post count.

[Raskolnikov]

I remember them. both in the same game, actually. vedith claimed his PR d1 and got mislynched because he confused a no-result with a not-guilty. lycanfire said something akin to "x, y, z are scum. but never lynching these players: [entire scumteam]"

it sure was a massacre!

What game?

Open 651

[gigabyteTroubadour]

but there's the fact

EBWOP

Watch out with who's just inflating their post count.

[Raskolnikov]

Watch out with who's just inflating their post count.

hmmmmmmmmm

[Raskolnikov]

hmmm

[Raskolnikov]

huh.

[Raskolnikov]

yeah that's fair enough.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

would

*get the right reactions to see if i'm actually right about this. don't think it's too early to say this

lmfao i'm really tired

hmmm

[Creature]

We don't really need to vote the "towniest". If we lynch scum today, maybe we'll get an useful jailkeeper/tracker.

[Raskolnikov]

yeah these lurkers really suck who's with me on that one

[gigabyteTroubadour]

tb ya killin' me here dude

[schadd_]

@GBT, rask: how many games have you played?

i feel in a bit of a weird position. GBT can apparently confidently townread half the cast, and neither of rask and creature has really called them out on it. so, uh, we're golden i guess?

i'm gonna evaluate lynches, pretending that we haven't won the game. which is a possibility

TB is uh a vt if he's town, so that's a fine lynch. to me, he seems totally fake, but sometimes i hear people talking IRL and i'm like, you're scum, buddy, and TB gives me the same impression as those people. also, the fact that he colored "vanilla townie" green makes me wanna puke. esp. since it's the mod color, as i mentioned. he still has some posting to do.

rakkar is an uninformative lynch i think. he has posted twice and been talked about.

shade is active and tryna scumhunt, so, a bad lynch. creature is on him, though, and he's town. as far as my read goes, uh, the questions seem hard to fake but there seems to be a bit of a non-linear character progression. i will either explain that later or never.

another option: if GBT is actually that good at reading people, we can just lynch them and then know they're not fudging things up. which is a nagging concern that i have, albeit a small one

gonna stay on TB for now. there is more to be learned and we already know a lot, it looks like

[gigabyteTroubadour]

dunno how much consolidation it is but i get reads really quickly sometimes

here's another newbie where i was pretty spot-on with my initial townreads (at least i'd like to think). i did play this one differently but real life circumstances affecting my mood and yadda yadda yadda

plus i felt like i was being too in-your-face with the newbies

i would like to hear about shade's non-linear character progression though

also lynching me for that reason isn't good play btw because i have no idea if my view of the gamestate is actually valid when we get only 1 ml before lylo

[Raskolnikov]

she's probably right but if she's wrong 2 or 3 times you could lynch her for it im sure she wouldnt mind heheh

its still too early to decide but we have a comfortable 10 days left so big problem there

you can only really read people if they post but theres just not quite enough yet to move forward

[Raskolnikov]

giga how do you interpret gayreen willingness to put think to l-1 without comment?

that and not that much info in general (though still more than think/rak) makes me not feel safe clearing him just yet

[gigabyteTroubadour]

giga how do you interpret gayreen willingness to put think to l-1 without comment?

that and not that much info in general (though still more than think/rak) makes me not feel safe clearing him just yet

felt like newbie sheeping the experienced players which is obviously bad play but the nonchalantness makes me think of PS! meta

like

usually people just sit around with their hands under their laps and wait for the loudest/most experienced person to decide which lurker to arbitrarily lynch (or for another loud townie to call the loud townie scum)

so i'm going to call it NAI for the most part

plus i think he's played enough games to know that voting for no reason is considered scummy and he'd want to keep the towncred he got from pointing out schadd_'s "soft" if he were actually scum here

and there's also the fact he didn't suspect me for having reads too quickly which was also part of what got me ml'd in our last game together (and our only game in recent memory tbh)

so yeah it's mostly a meta read