Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[innocentvillager]

chill fam it's been like less than a day

Also hi all

[innocentvillager]

Malta is scum

[innocentvillager]

Mala is scum
Hawk is town
Alis is town

Don't ask me to justify these yet these are just gut, I'll let you guys know when to take my opinions seriously if I can find reasoning

[innocentvillager]

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

[innocentvillager]

Wow dudes I don't know this game idk what to think

Getting mixed vibes all around

What happened here? You went from what seemed like somewhat sturdy guy reads to being vexed all around.

take a wild guess

VOTE: aubrey

[innocentvillager]

dumb questions are scummy

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Not liking his posts so far. They all seem ambiguous.

im an attention whore what can i say

[innocentvillager]

dumb questions are scummy

It's not dumb, it's a valid question. We need to find out the correct stance she is taking, because at the moment, we don't know what position she is taking on the whole situation, one minute she is in this camp, then the next post, she's in a different camp.

i dont even know what question you're referring to I'm pretty sure that was just a blanket statement I made after skimming some of the thread

maybe it was in response to why I voted Aubrey? honestly idr

[innocentvillager]

also merry xmas to all you bitches who celebrate <3

[innocentvillager]

hmm mostly gut

if i were to try to explain it

i think I got a weird vibe from 95 but your explanation in the next post was i guess reasonable
you seem oddly cold/minimalist aggressive-type in the beginning, which is what a lot of scum try to do
also when you posted 95 real discussion was just beginning to arise, so it seemed like you didn't really read later posts/care
your next post 124 or something seemed like a lot of IC-garbage that I would post as an IC which felt unnecessary here since this isn't a newbie, but maybe you're just doing this out of habit and some of these players feel inexperienced in a way
feels like you're trying too hard to "note things that stick out to you but you're not sure why yet", but i don't really see you ever returning to those things that stuck out to you (correct me if im wrong and you did). i like to do this shit as scum bc it makes me seem more organic, but of course they're not so i forget about them and never bring them up again

haven't looked too much into your later posting but it seems fairly neutral from a skim

honestly these are weak and maybe vague reasons esp bc i do some of this as town at times but hey town can scumtell too right

also rereading hawk from early pages makes me weary of that slot. like wtf was that reaction test on alisae? "im voting you Alisae" next post "this is a reaction test alisae, how do you react" like wat. Not scummy but just weirdly not thought out. idk hawk gives me mixed vibes bc he's does scummy unhelpful shit like this but is also towntelling weirdly to some degree

i still think i like alisae for town

will revisit my read on aubrey later

[innocentvillager]

maybe it was in response to why I voted Aubrey? honestly idr

i think this was part of it

i can try and look back and guess which ones I was looking at and see if you really want me to

[innocentvillager]

Uzi, I can't help think that you're telling Uzi "Hey, just play your town game and you won't get caught as scum."

I didn't even realize I had this thought until you said t and I realized I totally agreed with it

More townpoints for you

[innocentvillager]

i thought it was one of those third-person self-addressing quirks lol

[innocentvillager]

Listen, Transcend is in a class with some players like Kain Tepes that we called the "WTF zone". They break the mold and are uncontrollable. IV is not one of these.

lol

i promise, i am no transcend

i think i my most recent game he deathtunneled me with zero reasoning and lost us the game -_-

[innocentvillager]

wait what

i misinterpreted your comment completely then

nvm not sure if i agree

[innocentvillager]

i like kt for town.

[innocentvillager]

i know this may look like i am unvoting innocentvillager just because he townread me,

this prefacing here rubs me the wrong way

i still like kt for town but maybe not solid town

[innocentvillager]

@Lil The question was more directed at Crystalline Dagger. I did an ISo on him and apart from post 222 most of his posts have been irrelevant. They are either hydra clarifying themselves, about Pokemon, about Transcend or about the 'water washy' thing. I know it is an RVS, Crystalline, but do some kind of scumhunting else it looks as if you are just trying to look involved.

Also his one original post 222, he says 218 of IV made him thing IV was a scum. I actually felt 218 made IV lean more towards town. It seems as if he is trying subtly join the IV wagon.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

this post is smelly

VOTE: spade_ace

[innocentvillager]

i just don't buy this as a real town process. it looks forced and opportunistic

[innocentvillager]

have you done an iso of your own posts? i don't see you adding much more content than that slot

[innocentvillager]

the reason you change your vote to be on someone should be because you actually noticed something significant that points in the direction of them being scum

You've been called out for not providing content lately, started getting some suspicion on you. All you've really done this game is clarify, engage in irrelevant discussion, talk about merits of RVS and stuff, and at one point you literally voted me for like "ambiguous posts". Is that a legitimate reason to vote someone?

Here, you're calling out Crystalline for 1) irrelevant posting, which a. you yourself do and b. is completely null 2) you townread me for a post they scumread me for.

I cannot buy that as a logical, real genuine thought out town process for switching a vote. Your scumtells and follow-up votes have so far all been based on "ambiguity and irrelevance", which are in no way significant scumtells and I doubt town!you would've actually had these thoughts organically arise.

[innocentvillager]

ill admit I may be exaggerating the irrelevance of your posts but my points still stand

[innocentvillager]

Yeah I agree, his catchup and his vote feels he like only put it together because he was called out by Alisae. Filler is NAI and I don't see a problem with clarifying things to avoid confusion in the future.

VOTE: Spade

glad someone understands

i have not taken my eye off u tho.

[innocentvillager]

If you check my activity you will see that I just came back on MS. Alisae's vote is just bad timing.

yeah thats fine, thats not really the issue. your catchup just seemed very inorganic and forced. you had to have seen Alisae's pressure vote on you, but even if you didn't, there was still pressure for you to post something as a catchup. i don't see any actual desire to point out real scumtells, just looks like you're opportunistically forming unthought-out reads to add to your post

[innocentvillager]

Inno if we're talking about catchup posts, Aelin's doesn't look that good either tbh

i dont have a problem with them at all whats your problem with it?

[innocentvillager]

i see no scum motivation behind the posts other than maybe ingenuous discrediting

[innocentvillager]

Why aren't you voting for Spade then?

Hey iv

I'm scum why??

Twist this around
@malakittens. You're town why?

What are you trying to say here?

I second uzi, what the fuck are you expecting to accomplish with this question and why in reference to that specific post??

Both Spade and IV ping me a bit, but Spade more so.
He constantly is calling the case on him null and void and blames his scumminess on inactivity, which is not the case at all.
Is Spade's vote still just on CD from RVS?
I also want to read through Mala's iso because at first I was getting scum vibes

Okay so you scumread both me and spade, but the only specifics you lay out are spades scummy posturing against me, and his ignoring of my case against him which you seem to agree with (maybe extrapolating here but implied i think).

a) does it not bother you that both of us are scumreads yet we are going after each other? Surely it must at least be mention worthy for your thought process?
b) does it not bother you that you are using one of your scumreads points and examples of him to illustrate why your other scumread is scummy?

Inno if we're talking about catchup posts, Aelin's doesn't look that good either tbh

i dont have a problem with them at all whats your problem with it?

@alisae answer plz?

[innocentvillager]

Weirdly enough I don't think you're scum but you're doing scummy things.

[innocentvillager]

From the time i last posted to.now. there hasnt been much quality. If you find it inorganic, i dont know what to say. But i get what you are saying about the forced thing. You feel as if am trying to force a catchup that could possibly help me in making Alisae remove her vote.
Well i was just posting things just as i thought them.

Can you explain to me why ambiguity, him reading 218 opposite from you, and irrelevant posting warrants a vote then/is scummy at all?

[innocentvillager]

will check in at some pt

[innocentvillager]

So I don't have time to read through carefully everything that's happened in the last 10 ish pages holy shit. But, if there are specific things you guys want me to look at that are particularly relevant, I'd be happy to answer.

Ask away bitches

[innocentvillager]

holy shit

i will get to this

[innocentvillager]

yeah same kinda? yall post so much hard to keep up fuck me

[innocentvillager]

im honestly so bad at reading through a lot of pages and actually getting useful info can someone plz give me the sparknotes and ask me to address certain things

[innocentvillager]

your wagon is shit alisae i don't need to read through 25 pages of bullshit to realize that

[innocentvillager]

your wagon is shit alisae i don't need to read through 25 pages of bullshit to realize that

This made me laugh and smile a lot. Quite frankly it seems as if I am the only person that understands that.

not scum rxn.

[innocentvillager]

ya claim not good.

[innocentvillager]

i could go for mala lynch

VOTE: mala

[innocentvillager]

I got some errands I need to run. I'll be back later.

The suspense is killing me

[innocentvillager]

I don't town read IV

Good you shouldn't

[innocentvillager]

alisae was obvtown u fools

[innocentvillager]

IV, start talking. Tell us why u feel Mala cud b scum

i just had a feeling you know, this was like wayyyy back

from what i remember mala didn't feel like town mala to me but cant really put my finger on why, she's very nullish and like just... idk there and posting like very averagely
there's more to it i promise im not that lame

ill look over thread closer later tho, worth investigating fosho

[innocentvillager]

the only person more obvtown than alisae was kt

im actually surprised uzi died i didn't particularly think that slot was town

[innocentvillager]

@Also, I havent still understood the case against Kop.

IV is otherwise quite scummy to me. What saves him in my eyes is the only fact that he did not hammer Alissae when he cud easily have

I am fine lynching Mala or IV. Mala coz she is the most duspicious as of now. IV coz he is not doing anything that helps the town

There is a weird inconsistency in here. I'm quite scummy to you, yet the only reason you think I should get lynched is because I'm "not doing anything to help town".

That doesn't really make someone "quite scummy". Someone becomes "quite scummy" when they say something scum motivated.

Activity =/= town, likewise lack of activity =/= scum

VOTE: bang

Low activity players are easy scumreads for scum bc everyone else feels more town since they are town. I'm not saying this slot is scum by any means, nor that I'm extremely suspicious of bang, but this is more likely to come from scum mindset than town mindset so I'm fine with this vote for now.

[innocentvillager]

lol

i have nothing concrete on mala other than previous vibes

I never even recently said she was scum, my recent post was a response to someone pointing out why i thought mala was scum a long time ago

bang actually might be scum here for that post. i don't see what's so hard to understand about this

[innocentvillager]

hawk is town btw

[innocentvillager]

"

I don't think you're scummy, but I'm going to waste my vote on you

"

"

I'm not doing anything to help the town nor am I saying much, so obviously you shouldn't think I'm scum. How dare you suspect me

"

-IV

this is a misrep

I'm not saying this slot is scum by any means, nor that I'm extremely suspicious of bang, but this is more likely to come from scum mindset than town mindset so I'm fine with this vote for now.

The last clause means that I think it's scummy. If something is more likely to come from scum mindset than town then that is scummy no matter what.

I said I'm not *extremely* suspicious of bang. I said "I'm not saying this slot is scum", which doesn't mean I think they're null or town, it just means I'm not saying the slot is for sure scum. I may have worded it unnecessarily weirdly, but the point should be clear.

[innocentvillager]

Spade is probably scum honestly

Just does not seem like a real town process to me

VOTE: spade

[innocentvillager]

ye

[innocentvillager]

meh.

I was scum lol

[innocentvillager]

Sorry for not participating much in this game. I was pretty busy due to IRL stuff and I wish I could've devoted more time to this, so apologies to all, and especially to my partners. You got this