Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

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VOTE: Transcend[\v] because dogs are cute and it's always the cute ones.

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I meant VOTE: Transcend. Not used to this.

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OMG SCUM ^^^^^

It's always the lurkers.

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OMG SCUM ^^^^^

It's always the lurkers.

It's the red.

he claimed! will come back later and be like "haha I blatantly claimed in my first post, ya know, where I excused my lurkage for the rest of the Day" or someshit

Monday afternoon will come eventually... and he will pay for his transgressions.

Or more likely, we all just forget about him.

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OMG SCUM ^^^^^

It's always the lurkers.

It's the red.

he claimed! will come back later and be like "haha I blatantly claimed in my first post, ya know, where I excused my lurkage for the rest of the Day" or someshit

Monday afternoon will come eventually... and he will pay for his transgressions.

Or more likely, we all just forget about him.

Her*

Why is it more likely that we will forget about her?

I knew I shouldn't have

ASSUMED THEIR GENDER

. That's really just my normal cynicism speaking there (and mediocre sense of humour.)

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ay

it's page 1

please no quote pyramids until page 10 or so lol

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I knew I shouldn't have ASSUMED THEIR GENDER. That's really just my normal cynicism speaking there (and mediocre sense of humour.)

Actually I am technically a male, though I am gender-queer and quite feminine.

a-HAH! So the REAL assumer is Uzi! Strong scumread.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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I would vote you for the lol's but I'm done with RVS. I mean, it *is* page 2, after all. We have higher standards now.

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UNVOTE:

I need to stop doubleposting so much

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there's nothing wrong with double/hyperposting

it's my style

It kinda annoys me when I see my own doubleposts. It's uncleanish. Not gonna pressure others to stop unless they start quadrupleposting.

And I mean, if you say RVS isn't over...

VOTE: Transcend

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o fuck we're getting some wagoning going on here. I'm going to start being (slightly) more serious now, though. If I had to try and place the most suspicious character thus far, it would probably be iamafluffyrabbit for this statement:

i am town we are never lynching me thanks

and I'm going to vote it. VOTE: iamafluffyrabbit

I don't have any other solid reads so far.

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what do u not like about it . . .

you're being way too inconsistent and jumpy for my tasted hun

It's an assertion with no evidence backing it. It isn't even a scumread, it's more of a reaction gague so far.

As for playstyle, I haven't done a forum mafia game in 3 years, and I don't really know what I'm doing or how to play. I'm also excited because it's something I just really wanna doOHWHATTHEHELLTHERESNOCATFACES

I'll find my groove eventually, maybe. Until then I'll be your wildcard

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okay so i get ur point but why are u outing it's a reaction test

I wasn't outing them and the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I think that I'm trying to jump into everything too fast. I'll UNVOTE: and wait for anything readable to come up. Until then I'll be reloading thread at least once every 15 seconds.

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so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...

Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.

VOTE: Drealmerz

The presupposition of the fourth voter being potential scum seems really off to me. I think the current votes are jokes, and that assuming things at this stage would be unwise.

pedit: I agree. don't know what to make of this either.

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if I wanted to at the time of the vote I would

How confident are you in your vote accomplishing something? On a scale of 1-10?

Sorry for taking so long to respond. On my wagon, I think the scummiest is probably ssbm, for voting for no reason. Again, might have been a joke, but I want to think we're at least partially out of RvS. As for scumreads on anyone... idk... rb seems a bit excited about things. Too excited, almost. He also was the third person on my wagon, so take that as you will. I'm taking a "nobody reads as anything, not voting" stance.

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if I wanted to at the time of the vote I would

How confident are you in your vote accomplishing something? On a scale of 1-10?

Sorry for taking so long to respond. On my wagon, I think the scummiest is probably ssbm, for voting for no reason. Again, might have been a joke, but I want to think we're at least partially out of RvS. As for scumreads on anyone... idk... rb seems a bit excited about things. Too excited, almost. He also was the third person on my wagon, so take that as you will. I'm taking a "nobody reads as anything, not voting" stance.

It's cool. SSBM originally at first randomly voted and then said he's keeping vote because he doesn't understand why you went back to RVS after Transcend believed that we were still in RVS.

rb is just trying to get the game moving, I noticed he tends to hate games moving at barely a crawl.

I fail to see how weird RVS junk makes anyone scum though :/

I will agree with rb, I have similar impulses.

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Can you enlighten me on what NAI means? Wiki doesn't have it on their abbreviation page, and I don't remember it from 2013.

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This is backwards to me

And I mean, if you say RVS isn't over...

VOTE: Transcend

He says "If you say RVS isn't over" then votes you

because

you said that. That is not a random vote, that is a vote with a reason. So why pretend it is rvs? Why not call you out for perpetuating a gamestate that doesn't lead us any closer to scum?

This post got buried earlier, I'll respond now.

It wasn't technically a random vote, but it was a joke vote, because he was the one who said RVS wasn't over.

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can someone translate it into a spiderman meme for me?

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I really should be in bed instead of laughing so hard this late at night.

rb will forever be our shitpost baby

our... shitbaby, if you will.

(this is terrible)

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You've said you want to start lynching people but you're just posting shitty memes to avoid it, whilst wanting others to do so.

VOTE: rb

shit we're over the halfway mark.

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bleh

UNVOTE:

?

We haven't truly left shitposty territory so everyone's still scared for any threat of a lynch, including me.

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super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

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that was definitely heartbreaking

i voted u mainly bc i think ssbm is town and i didn't like ur vote on him

Why is SSBM town? I mean, there's not a scumread, but there isn't a townread either.

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Yeah, this is getting way too close. If it goes to L-1 i'll unvote, but right now he DOES look the most suspicious, so *shrug*

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the "i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia" line feels really off. You coming in and voting someone to L-2 without explanation, and then unvoting the second someone puts their fos on you, and then poorly defending yourself all feels very off. You stating what scum's goals are feels EXTREMELY off. Your prior post did have some good points, but you're still looking more suspicious than rb.

VOTE: Impoetic

Pedit: A lot of rb's wagon was jokevote/rvs shit, and I know I'd feel uncomfortable with a lynching under that. Don't think rb cares at all though.

Pedit2: Also, "impede the game"? What impeding has he done, other than questioning other people? He's my only townread so far.

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I looked over the post orders and if you look at it closely, Impo was already unvoting before someone voted her, but she got ninja'd. My other points were just "off" things, that are more gut. Still can't understand you half the flippin time. Drealmerz seems to be doing a lot of misrepping and also 171, which does come across as scummy, but I don't feel comfortable voting it yet. So I'll stick to UNVOTE: . Yes, I'm aware how much I'm voteshifting. It's how I play/think/smell/eat pizza.

PEDIT: rb, your wagon was mostly a jokewagon, which was in of itself fairly NAI. A lot of unvotes were also due to new people coming up and being scummier (instead of just jumping off a fading wagon).

PEDIT: my beliefs continue to be confirmed by the above posts

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Impoetic scum too

Why would that be? She's done a pretty smashing job of defending herself.

Pedit: I have literally no idea what you are trying to say to me dreal

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@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

What strikes rb as scum to you?
I'd like to see if there's any new information that can be brought up (he's already pretty suspicious.)

Pedit: Yes, I do enjoy your avatar. Very much so.

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Yeah Kohai and Sesq were the only ones overreacting to impoetic's vote. T guy is okay but avatar is bad
Trans - I see why you're voting Impoetic but doesn't this feel a little orchestrated? Day talk is on and this got real serious over a joke vote real fast.

Vote count pls

FTFY

What movie is it Jae?

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With drealmerz, they seem more like bad/derp town than scum to me so I'm not voting yet.

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Drone, I do not understand your reactions to my posts. I don't mean "not understand" as in "broken logic", I mean it as in "you could have put some ancient greek poetry there completely untranslated and I probably could've interpreted more".

Mini 1857: The Game of People Not Knowing How to Communicate Effectively (including ya gurl Sesq)

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Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

Aw shit, you're going to bed. I was gonna ask you to translate, as not only do I have no idea what he's saying to me (other than that he wasn't liking me), but I'm not faring much better with translating his analyses with other players.

I want to knoooooow

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Most of the jokeyness of it had been long gone by the time I was talking about it, and drealm is such a weird player I can't make heads or tails of him.

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Is it me or Dream you're addressing?

If I could edit gifs... Oh boy... I'd be having a field day right now. It was my response to Uzi's response to my response to Kohai's response to you.

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i think drone is a quality town member

Drone is my senpai

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Definitely considering Transcend as scum. Reads list tomorrow morning perhaps.

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Right now, my most solid towns are LUV and rabbit. Ironstove, rb, dreal, and Impo look suspicious. I think I'll

VOTE: ironstove

He's shit town or shit mafia. Either way, needs to pick his act up and start scumhunting.

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Yeah drone, when I was typing my thing on Ironstove I was completely aware it was like drealmerz. The difference is that dreal is actually participating while stove is just lurking around in the background. I'm still on unsure ground with dreal, I'll look through his recent posts.

Looked through some, I don't understand why he's (kind of) tunneling on LUV. Care to explain dreal? I really have no idea where your logic comes from (dae think tunneling on random players looks towny?)

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Yeah drone, when I was typing my mini-analysis on Ironstove I was aware it sounded almost exactly like my analysis with drealmerz. The difference is that dreal actually adds to the game, while stove is just lurking around in the background. Dreal still reads suspicious to me. I don't understand why he's tunneling on LUV so much. It reads kind of towny, but I'd like to know his logic (LUV reads super town to me. Not as much as rabbit but still up there)

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sesq on quick iso is pretty town right now

Why do you "pretty town" read me?

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Idk rabbit. I have a sort of general gut suspicion. They don't seem to be contributing as much and just post random junk. Like rb, but less potential scumtells.

Pedit: I saw it as the opposite. You jumped in, saw some hints nobody had pointed out, and made a fair case for it. It was a great opening, and I wish I wasn't as lazy/incompetent that I could make reads like that.

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Why is ssbm scum?

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Elaborating defeats the purpose of reading between the lines,

Wow.

VOTE: Kyouku

Marvelous, that's one scum.

I defend this. What he was saying is that if someone makes it clear what they are conveying you don't have to infer/assume things, not that we shouldn't look into things at all.

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Mods are asleep, post votecounts (I did this, feel free to check thread for inaccuracies)

drealmerz7 (2): Lil Uzi Vert, rb
Kohai (2): Transcend, ssbm_Kyuoko
ssbm_Kyuoko (2): iamafluffyrabbit, Drone
ironstove (2): Kohai, Sesq
Impoetic (1): shannon
Drone (1): ironstove
rb (1): TTTT
Lil Uzi Vert (1): drealmerz7
NOT VOTING (1): Impoetic

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Thank you, seq

ur welcome koha

didnt realize how split the votes were

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I've been watching it, but haven't been commenting on it for the most part. I see Transcend as null/lean scum and ssbm as null. I don't know how much a team with them would make sense. Usually for me it's no opinions = no posts.

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the stove scumgame you linked looks actually nothing like this game for him though

Haven't really seen much of him to make an analysis though

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Really, we're playing this game of mafia, where town are supposed to be the good guys, but are we? What is good? What is evil? Does everything have to be so binary? Would it be possible if we just didn't lynch anyone and mafia didn't night kill anyone either, then maybe we could just end this cruel cycle of bloodshed. Let's make this a negotiation, how about we discuss peace with our mafia breathern?

Mafia, please come forward so we can discuss terms for peaceful surrender, because if you do not surrender, we will kill you, and your families, and grind your skulls into a fine powder to use in the stew we serve to our guests, which they love and always insist on being told the recipe.

You seem to be forgetting that I'm voting for you, and your recent posts have only affirmed this. Starting from page 28 (TWENTY EIGHT) is not a good move. Look at ISOs of people who get scumread a lot.

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VOTE: iron

scum until he proves otherwise

RIP innocent until proven guilty

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guilty until proven innocent is a better way for town to play imo

interested to hear why
i think i agree, that was more of a joke

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I'm actually really bored of mafia right now and I think drealmerz + sesq are both good lynches.

can you give good reasons for those lynches? also this looks like a proddodge, and considering your "im really bored" statement, if you want to replace out, then please do that instead of prod-dodging (a waste of time)

But give your thoughts on the wagons first, if you go.

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My first impressions thus far:

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

I need to stop doubleposting so much

scummy for telling people not to be active

I was saying to myself that I wanted to stop doubleposting for less clutter by not impulsively clicking SUBMIT when I still have more thoughts, and it ends up making a mess. This is a terrible representation of a minor post

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Can someone summarize the Kohai thing? I'm confused as fuck ^^;

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Can someone summarize the Kohai thing? I'm confused as fuck ^^;

Kohai overall has a scummy tone, then he keeps promising reads and activity but dodging and declaring V/LA.

GODDAMMIT i meant kyuoko.

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Also I don't think he's faking VLA, it would make more sense if it was just lurking without explanation like a certain *cough* someone

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health reasons = suffering too much anxiety trying to figure out a post to craft to get him out of the hole he's dug himself into after I called out his BS to link me to his other games and would rather dump the problem onto another player instead.

Nobody has ever faked being sick to leave, or left due to suspicion. Is this projecting? Probably not. Also, I was going to unvote you for your early posts, and I don't see this as a scum move as much as I do a dick move, so I'm unvoting.

UNVOTE: ironstove

MFOS: ironstove

also, due to his recent prod-dodging shenanigans and general disengagement, VOTE: rb Get your head in the game.

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I meant to do a white highlight. Poop.

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rb, can you provide reasons why I'm scum? and Drone, you latching on to this sentiment... I don't know if you're pushing him or passively agreeing. I don't know.

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I T T A L K E D

UNVOTE: rb

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Should I put rb into L-1? Seriously debating it now.

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That statement does look scummy, but so does RB.

VOTE: rb

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We have 8 days left why are we hammering so quickly??? We haven't even discussed possible night actions. If you're going to hammer post intent.

This reeks. We're hammering so quickly because rb looks the scummiest and has provided no defense for his play so far. And the "possible night actions" thing... town doesn't discuss night actions in main thread.

But please don't lolhammer. Give him time to defend still, as ironstove looks like another good lynch and I want to be able to make a judgement.

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Also transcend demanding someone hammer before rb can even claim is scummy as fuck why the fuck am I the only person scum reading transcend? Like those of you who refuse to scum read transcend because 'he's hard to read' d1 as your meta read and excuse are fucking ridiculous

I agree with this, but a "hey man slow down" approach like what you did also looked like you being scum with rb. I wouldn't be too shocked if Transcend was third member, and that this opposite-reaction diversion may be a setup. Then again, YOU'RE the one pointing out Transcend.... I'm confused.

I'm sticking with rb and waiting for defense.

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Vig shannon or stove tonight btw

What reads as scummy for shannon?

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Why does gerry read scum other than kohai slot?

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You TR that whole wagon tran?

No, I'm asking for reasons outside Kohai's slot. I want to know if there are any. I won't drop consideration of a vote against him if there turns out to be nothing post-replacement.

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That was for transcend.

Why does gerry read scum other than kohai slot?

I want a counter wagon for reasons. And his slot was bad and he won't contribute.

I looked over Kohai's ISO, nothing stood out at all. Seems like a townslot to me.

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I'm riding this lynch to his death. Defense is utterly unconvincing.

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I'm somewhat familiar with this person. This might be interesting.

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Now, Titus is the only player in which I'm familiar with their playstyle. It was in Open 623 (White Flag), which I was reading because I thought that I was going to be in a White Flag game, and I wanted preparation (I didn't get in that game). They were town then.

Also, fluffy was town AF beforehand.

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Gerry's looking suspicious, I must admit.

RB more so, though.

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I can see why the gerry wagon doesn't look good, but why not this one?

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Please someone vote out RB already. This game is getting so boring, and nobody really seems to be changing their minds.

Gerry, I think people have reads on you because you come across as jokey and avoiding play. You look like shittown to me tbh

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Okay, so Trans was killed. Probably due to JK claim, which was kind of true.

Impo: Opening was scummy, defense felt contrived to the point of town (by that I mean so contrived that scum would avoid it). Came back recently, seems like early-D1 LUV, which I like.
Titus: Marches in and declares a desire for a lynch on Drone, despite voting LUV yesterday. In-character so far.
Iron: Sometimes posts well, other times seems to be putting in no effort. This flipping back and forth feels really scummy.
Drone: IDK? Feels null-scum by pure vibe. Was pushing gerry yesterday, I suspect the same now.
shannon: it feels as if she's invisible or something. Seems normal town.
LUV: Early play was great, later meh. IDK, null.
gerryoat: shit town play, there's no way to know strongarm here unless you're maf
ssbm: normal town, like shannon
TTTT: pushing hard on gerry, which i like, as that needs some questioning. towny.
dreal: Felt scummy early on, nullish now.

GERRY: why are you guessing strongarm
TITUS: why drone

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My reads are all messed up right now but I'm pretty confident in Kyouko, Sesq, and Shannon for town.

Explain, please.

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gerryoat: shit town play, there's no way to know strongarm here unless you're maf

>shit town play

>voting mafia the whole time

People on this site are stupid as fuck lmao. It's obvious since he claimed a PROTECTIVE ROLE. He would be the mafia hit. He had a BULLETPROOF SHOT. IT WOULD BE USED. Transcend isn't stupid. If you can't put 2+2 together you need to be mentored

voting mafia (and what was the biggest wagon) =/= good town play. I want reads.

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LUV's stuff also looks meh. We also really don't have a solid idea what's going on for setups other than
-Town JOAT
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
town
mafia goon
mafia
mafia,

so I'm not sure how much I'm on it but it is suspich.

@MOD The Truman Show

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Perhaps the gimmick for this game is one-shots? (If LUV is to be trusted, that is.)

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Imp is getting off easy here. His posts today are bad.
Iron continues to lurk.
Probably scum in ^there

I checked him, and yep, he's online today, and yep, he didn't post anything. Might as well.

VOTE: ironstove

Can you also explain why Impo's posts are bad? One Titus is enough.

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sesq you not feeling the LUV lynch at all/that he's scum? he's much better than ironstove at this point

I feel like his one-shot tracker claim might have merit. With the JOAT before being all one-shots, it might be a trend. It's weak, but I'm not quite ready to place a vote on him yet. FOS though.

Did he post in any other games?

He did not. Thanks for keeping things up to standard.

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So Sesq you pinged me early day 1 but the way rb treated you while on his wagon makes me think you aren't scum with him. Are you just voting ironstove because he was online and didn't post, or is there more to it? LUV doesn't "feel" like the right lynch right now but I'm having trouble finding who makes more sense so I want to hear as many opinions as I can get even if you think it's far-fetched.

It turns out he didn't post, which was my mistake for not checking, but his play yesterday was still very scummy, and my vote is carrying over. LUV does feel mildly scummy, but less that iron right now. Still watching.

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you!

I was saying I think the sesq comment was about you doing the diligence to check on activity

I have been here daily, so why would due diligence be checking my activity levels?

It was about checking iron's activity, not yours.

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Sesq, why do you think there was no counter to rb?

There was. They weren't as successful because the counterwagon did not look as scum as rb (WE WERE RIGHT)

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1 or 2 votes is not a counterwagon.

I didn't mean strong counterwagon, but OK. I suspect bussing (ironstove was, LUV wasn't)

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Why bussing?

1 or 2 votes is not a counterwagon.

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@Shannon, will read that tomorrow.

@Drealmerz, I don't follow anything you're saying.

I don't really follow either. Point is, read things in thread before making statement on said things in thread.

Also @Shannon, Impo was mostly gone during that time in D1, so it makes sense they didn't vote.

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D7 is probably my strongest town read and he wants Titus. LUV has supposedly cleared me, and he wants Titus. SSBM made that interesting point yesterday about the Impoetic/Rabbit(Titus) interactions. I think that's where today has got to go.

I'd like to lynch within {Titus, Gerry, Sesq, Ironstove} today. Titus for the aforementioned stuff. Gerry because he was yesterday's second wagon which mysteriously never got anywhere. Ironstove for voting on Gerry's wagon, and then jumping over to vote *with* Gerry on RB's wagon. Sesq because of placement on the RB wagon and because of the interactions with Titus - I feel like that could be a bit of scum theatre.

Why is that scum theatre?

Also Titus, please re-evaluate your thought process.

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I'd like to lynch within {Titus, Gerry, Sesq, Ironstove} today. Titus for the aforementioned stuff. Gerry because he was yesterday's second wagon which mysteriously never got anywhere. Ironstove for voting on Gerry's wagon, and then jumping over to vote *with* Gerry on RB's wagon. Sesq because of placement on the RB wagon and because of the interactions with Titus - I feel like that could be a bit of scum theatre.

I don't think it's mysterious that the Gerry wagon didn't get anywhere considering the leading wagon on rb was a town driven wagon (Transcend, me, d7) on scum (rb). Transcend and d7 were being really vocal about lynching rb so it's not too surprising that Gerry wagon didn't go anywhere fast. rb's last ditch push on sesq make me feel a bit better about her today. I'm not closed off to the idea of lynching her but she's not a preference for me right now. Looking at Titus closer for now, but I'm not a fan of ironstove and drone for voting Gerry yesterday. Getting a better read or flip on Titus slot will help sort Gerry and his wagon imo

My badtown detector is far too sensitive I've discovered. steeloven's probably subbing out, so I'll unvote as not to put pressure on newguy.

UNVOTE: metalcooker

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Not a case. Ignore him.

this looks really scummy/dismissive tbh

almost ready to vote you

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Not a case. Ignore him.

this looks really scummy/dismissive tbh

almost ready to vote you

It isn't. His case is basically I don't believe it's possible for a mini Normal to have two investigative roles and I only claimed because I didn't want to her lynched. The first point is false since you can ask any mod or look at past games to verify that such a setup is possible and the second is just dumb. Of course I don't want to get lynched. Who does?

I agree with you on setups, but claiming w/ little evidence and the aforementioned dismissiveness do not look good.

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Hey, anyone going to look at Drone or is this one of those games where we play ignore Titus, call her scummy, and just carry on?

it's like viva but multiple people and less stupid

anyway, looking back on LUV's response I'm pretty confident in that vote VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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Hey, anyone going to look at Drone or is this one of those games where we play ignore Titus, call her scummy, and just carry on?

it's like viva but multiple people and less stupid

anyway, looking back on LUV's response I'm pretty confident in that vote VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq, I trusted you!

If I get lynched just sheep my final reads.

This sounds so scummy right now


also rask read the thread. the whole thing.

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...Go on, go on. @TTTTT @Drone

y'all were super excited, right? let's see this awesome logic. I don't think i'm so biased that I can't accept it if there's something that makes me look bad, but I'm not seeing it, so level with me! Sounds like you both mindmelded and had the same exciting epiphany about something that happened ages ago

so let's hear it!

also not sure what to make of titus's townslip/dumbtell earlier so i'm leaving it at null i guess. Anyone have meta on whether titus is the type of player to force that?

Been catching up cos I was at school. Very convincing argument on Gerry from ssbm, BUT it requires Drone be scum, which I don't really buy as much. LUV still looks scum, hasn't posted in a while. Rask is lurky as hell and was ironstove (very scummy slot), so suspicion should definitely be thrown there. Titus has play that really coincides with town meta I've read from her in the past, so I don't feel good about that wagon. Impo's recent shenanigans regarding the role-reveal-thingy-i-cant-words looks scum. I'm keeping vote, FOS on Impo and Rask.

[Sesq]

I really don't trust role stuff as
a) really, anything can happen
b) it's based off people's unbacked claims

gerry, your defense is terrible. Actually defend yourself with logic or i'm voting you

[Sesq]

Fine I'll spill, I'm actually a 2-shot follower. Didn't want to give it away but you guys won't leave things alone.

Why the claim tracker originally?

So scum would think I'm useless and alllow me to use my last shot to potentially find one Night 2.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT SCUM WOULD SAY!!!! AAAGH!!!!

I'm kidding. UNVOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

VOTE: gerrygoat

[Sesq]

that was all @sesq, I missed some posts since then. Sorry, I keep forgetting to preview.

I was thinking that my point of titus's meta wasnt very good after posting it, but idk. I don't really see scum there, just weird town. but rask is lurking, and her former slot was also a lurker/barely did anything. gerry is obv

[Sesq]

that was all @sesq, I missed some posts since then. Sorry, I keep forgetting to preview.

I was thinking that my point of titus's meta wasnt very good after posting it, but idk. I don't really see scum there, just weird town. but rask is lurking, and her former slot was also a lurker/barely did anything. gerry is obv

Which one's weird town?

And I just don't understand why lurking is inherently scummy. In my experience -- which is admittedly minimal -- town is just as likely to lurk as scum. Like, in an ideal world, maaaybe that wouldn't be true, but

I don't think it's really that much more optimal for scum than town and I don't think that's what generally goes through your mind as scum (at least not if you're anything like me; I understand some people take a more strategic approach). I think scum are generally more involved than VTs? And have a more urgent motivation to not get lynched by PoE/lurk. It might be antitown for people to lurk overall, hence the ideal world comment, but yeah. I don't see how it's inherent that lurking=scummy, and I feel like that's a really easy way to write off an FoS and not put pressure on yourself for it.

I was referring to titus being weird town.

I really don't trust role stuff as
a) really, anything can happen
b) it's based off people's unbacked claims

gerry, your defense is terrible. Actually defend yourself with logic or i'm voting you

rofl you're garbage dude. do you need mentoring? I will mentor you in finding mafia, if need be.

The only reason you say this is because you didn't provide defense. admit your faults or expect to be frowned upon

[Sesq]

Leave Sesq alone!

Stop.

[Sesq]

Sesq, Gerry, what're your takes on Raskol's case against shannon?

Couldn't post. Snow. Good case though. This defense also looked really scummy, as if "if i was scum" was a replacement for "my strategy is". 1811 Enough for a vote. VOTE: shannon

[Sesq]

Crap, she's in L-2 now. Should have forseen that. Unvoting if put into L-1

[Sesq]

btw is anyone else in your neighborhood? or just Titus and Drone?

Only me and Titus.
By this point I would have outed it all.

VOTE: Sesq

I mostly agree with Shannon on the fact we're a little narrow minded and need to keep checking all other options.

Basically, I don't mind Shannon's FoS on me, it's not even shading.

Sesq vote worries me, that as an addition to her overall gameplay throughout the game.
Like, that's a lazy excuse to conveniently voting the easiest wagonable player. Unfortunately, I've been looking this, especially since I'm pretty certain you haven't really read Shannon's wall post.

Guys, keep track of D7.
Also ISO him, can you see what I see?

Can you link me the post I apparently did not read? I know for sure it is not the one I linked above.

[Sesq]

btw is anyone else in your neighborhood? or just Titus and Drone?

Only me and Titus.
By this point I would have outed it all.

VOTE: Sesq

I mostly agree with Shannon on the fact we're a little narrow minded and need to keep checking all other options.

Basically, I don't mind Shannon's FoS on me, it's not even shading.

Sesq vote worries me, that as an addition to her overall gameplay throughout the game.
Like, that's a lazy excuse to conveniently voting the easiest wagonable player. Unfortunately, I've been looking this, especially since I'm pretty certain you haven't really read Shannon's wall post.

Guys, keep track of D7.
Also ISO him, can you see what I see?

Can you link me the post I apparently did not read? I know for sure it is not the one I linked above.

Shannon 1907

Hmm, didn't think I missed anything. Thanks for linking this, though.

Noticed thing #1: Did someone in the past claim to have protected Transcend? That's the only way that we can have confirmed strongarm, and even then, we don't have solid PR claims so far.

Noticed thing #2: She says that town should look more widely. I don't know if it's perhaps because one of the current people on the lynchplatter (LUV, titus, shannon) are scum, or if town!shan wants there to be more looks outside for scumhunting, or if scum!shan knows there isn't scum in LUV or Titus, and wants to further disseminate votes and possibly wagon on to someone that would benifit scum to die. Under this line, the PR claims might be questionable as it would be helpful to lynch them, but this is mostly speculation.

Noticed thing #3: Yeah, the wagons on gerry and iron (now rask) should be looked upon. I never understood people scumreading drone, but I do more now, kind of, not really.

@Drone: Why are you townreading rask/iron so hard?

Also with post 1944, where did you read this? Or is that not allowed, not sure.

[Sesq]

How is my latest post scummy?

[Sesq]

(sorry for double) It really looks like confirmation bias.

[Sesq]

Titus claimed that the BP shot was used, and Transcend died. I thought that meant there had to be a strongman somewhere? Or is there another role that can kill through bulletproofness?

I don't believe so. I'm not an all-seeing role god, but I looked up strongman and that could do it. It might be some weird hybrid role or something that has strongman abilities and something else (not sure about normal game legality though, I'd like to see work on this)

no motivation for titus (or anyone) to set up a lie about a strongman being in play, so I'm relatively confident of it.

Noticed thing #2: She says that town should look more widely. I don't know if it's perhaps because one of the current people on the lynchplatter (LUV, titus, shannon) are scum, or if town!shan wants there to be more looks outside for scumhunting, or if scum!shan knows there isn't scum in LUV or Titus, and wants to further disseminate votes and possibly wagon on to someone that would benifit scum to die. Under this line, the PR claims might be questionable as it would be helpful to lynch them, but this is mostly speculation.

I didn't start out my post from that point. If you read the thing in the spoilers it probably shows, because I couldn't be assed going back and retconning the whole thing to show the conclusion I eventually reached. The idea just kind of dawned on me as I as trying to work out which of LUV and Titus was scum, or how they were scum together, since someone (you?) suggested that there were two scum among us. I just couldn't make the math work. Unless they're playing a super weird strategy, there's at best one scum between three of us and we need to look further afield.

And really, are people going to wait for me to flip town before they look starting further than Titus and Uzi?

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I knew that was the conclusion, and this was a response on that conclusion. Your reasoning (might have been someone else's though) about how there couldn't be 2 scum within LUV, Titus and you was solid. I wouldn't say there's zero scum in that pool, though. Definitely not two. I agree we should look farther.

Noticed thing #3: Yeah, the wagons on gerry and iron (now rask) should be looked upon. I never understood people scumreading drone, but I do more now, kind of, not really.

Hooray!

about scumreading drone? I don't know.

I'll construct a read list now because why the hell not. No order.

gerrygoat - Weak play, basically lurking at this point. Doesn't seem to really be trying too much and latches on to what other people say. This is probably a fairly apt self-description of my play so far as well
impoetic - Generally townish play. Has some weird posts that feel strongly of scumlean, don't really know how to place her.
shannon - Rask recently went at her, but after re-reading that case, i'm not confident. UNVOTE: shannon here just to get that off, will probably decide by end of post.
dreal - Shallow, capricious playstyle that I can't dissect at all.
Drone - OK i guess. I don't really know what to say about it. I've seen some good cases involving associating other players with drone and rb, but i haven't seen drone himself as that scummy. I realize i said above I'm starting to see drone as kinda scummy (kind of not really though) and i'm more on the "kinda not really" side of that.
Titus - Weird. Weird claims, weird playstyle. I've looked at town titus before and this play feels very reminiscent. Feels like weird.
TTTT - pushing LUV WAAAY too hard. Nice memes but it feels like a desperate tunnel now (not in a scummy way, though).
Raskolnikov - Came in, pushed for shannon (and that wagon started rolling) and just left and did nothing else. Feels like a push towards a new wagon as things were calming down with titus and luv. Also, ironstove. VOTE: Raskolnikov. Probably should not have changed.
LUV - d1 play was very good, but as time went on felt sketchier and sketchier as if he was frantically escaping from his speedy, inevitable demise. Despite behavior and things said, they seem to logically match up, and I don't know how to place that.
ssbm - probably my towniest read. Seems like he's always doing legitimate scumhunting and doesn't tunnel on anyone.

[Sesq]

Rask, the reason I'm reading you the most is because your previous slotman, ironstove, was very scummy and inconsistent, and it feels like you're tunneling on someone now who seems less scum and more unskilled town

[Sesq]

Sesq do you have any issue with my push beyond who I replaced?

You initially said you thought it was a good case so I'm interested in hearing what changed.

I was trying too hard to suppress my badtown radar.

[Sesq]

Sesq do you have any issue with my push beyond who I replaced?

You initially said you thought it was a good case so I'm interested in hearing what changed.

I was trying too hard to suppress my badtown radar.

???

I was detecting too many people as badtown at the time and was trying to be more critical, but after re-analyzing it seems more like goofs and shallow reasoning. Not scummy, just less than favourable

[Sesq]

Rask reads please other than shannon

[Sesq]

Also @Drone why are you scumreading me

[Sesq]

The only thing I found was me voting on shannon which was a strong wagon. He said I didn't read a post, he linked it, I reconsidered. Shannon still is the largest wagon and I'm solo on Rask, so I don't see how that applies.

[Sesq]

I've also unvoted in the past when things got to L-1

[Sesq]

Also Sesq: vote shannon, because LUV Titus and Drone have to be left alive to do their nighttime shit where we find out if there is a scum among them. TTTT you should be voting Shannon too, it was your plan in the first place. Let Titus do what she wants and tell Drone what she's doing and to whom, have LUV follow her, and then have them all say what happened in the morning. If one dies there's probably scum in the other 2 and if they all live they can potentially prove they're all town. Because of this, scum will NK one of them. Either way the PoE is massive, we either get 3 confirmed townies or a 50/50 or even 100% shot of hitting scum in the remaining 2 players of those 3. Lynching shannon or even No Lynching is fine at this point because of the situation those 3 are in with their claims.

I don't understand?

[Sesq]

We already hit a scum so right now its 9 town:2 scum. If we don't kill Titus today and she's not scum, mafia will almost certainly kill her because she has a GS shot left in her. If she gets a guilty and we follow it tomorrow we'd be at worst 7 town:2scum with Titus confirmed scum for faking a gunsmith guilty. If she's scum she'll probably claim a "No Gun" result on someone to avoid having to bus her only remaining teammate.

VOTE: LUV
I think we can do this today after all. Claims have shown he's not who I thought he was when we woke up D2, back to my associative reads

^^^^^ this is SCUM. HE SAYS IM MAF AND THEN VOTES MY SCUMREAD

are you joking

[Sesq]

that's because he's bad at articulating himself

nah, just seems bad at game

i'm suspecting it may be wifom bad town play, but that's fairly baseless and I don't know how he plays elsewhere

[Sesq]

Rask reads please other than shannon

For god's sake can you start reading!?

fucking hell did you even read thread look at 1970
usually I wouldn't be mad but you're pretending like it's a victory when in reality you skipped my longest post

those reads have not changed as of now

[Sesq]

The only thing I found was me voting on shannon which was a strong wagon. He said I didn't read a post, he linked it, I reconsidered. Shannon still is the largest wagon and I'm solo on Rask, so I don't see how that applies.

Shannon became a "strong" wagon

because you voted her.

btw, Shannon ain't that bad town, you're being worse :V

Because I thought she looked scummy. And then I didn't. So I unvoted.

It's almost like I place my vote according to whoever looks like mafia.

[Sesq]

Wat did you just say drone? When does sesq go from scummy to bad town for you? That reads like a slip, like you know sesq is town but are saying she's scum before to detract attention from the wagon that was at hand

Shannon Drone is possible here I think. Want to get this out in case I'm NKed

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBS8WYKYggA[/youtube]

[Sesq]

Sesq

, I trust you the most so my final reads are

Town: Kyouko, Shannon, and TTTT
Null: Rask, Impoetic
Null Scum: Drone, Gerry
Scum: D7, Titus

Please sheep them and lead the town to victory.

stop trying to buddy me. Both your scumreads I think are town.

[Sesq]

P sure the only response Gerry has had all game to scumreads directed at him is to discredit by calling his accuser bad

that's because he's bad at articulating himself

nah, just seems bad at game

i'm suspecting it may be wifom bad town play, but that's fairly baseless and I don't know how he plays elsewhere

better than both of you lol, youre tunnelng town and have the audacity to call me maf. fuck off

because tunneling now means changing your vote according to opinion

[Sesq]

Rask reads please other than shannon

For god's sake can you start reading!?

fucking hell did you even read thread look at 1970
usually I wouldn't be mad but you're pretending like it's a victory when in reality you skipped my longest post

those reads have not changed as of now

Drone is asking you to read the thread, not post reads
@Rask - In the case of a town!LUV flip we have PR options to hit shannon/drone with though.

UNVOTE:
Might be back to LUV in a bit

This makes much more sense. I apologize for being rude.

[Sesq]

UNVOTE:

[Sesq]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me. Scum tried to kill my block nights 1 and 2 but the block is actually the townblob so it can't be destroyed if I find new townspeople. We have to lynch within Titus/Drone today imo, there's too much posturing going on. They make like enemies most of the day yesterday but end up coming together to lynch LUV. They are either both scum or there is 1 scum among them.

I don't really understand blocks, and for the time being don't want to be a part of them. I'll vote for whoever I think is scum, and then go from there. Drone's contradictions are becoming very glaring (and his earlier vote against me, not much backing behind it. Might have forgotten some things though). His complete ignoring of these addresses to him make it seem like he's backed into a corner and knows he cannot get out.

[Sesq]

Oh yeah, I forgot to actually do the thing. VOTE: Drone

Also, on the townblock, not too confident on shannon being town. Kind of null overall, but it defeats the purpose of a townblock if there isn't town on it.

[Sesq]

And Sesq.
I'm not getting enough from Sesq.
Add TTTT to that.

How about make an actual case

[Sesq]

How about make an actual contribution and be part of the town, if you are?

You aren't answering my question. The more you dodge, the scummier you look. To address your concerns, not contributing is not necessarily equal to being scum, if that was the case gerry should be your strongest read by a mile.

ssbm_Kyuoko Roxy is the person in my avatar, they were talking about me. Waiting for their confirmation, though. Considering the heavy amount of no-vote (as in, never voting at all) and current lack of posts, that's a high-ish read for me but I'm still waiting for Drone to actually say something.

[Sesq]

VOTE: Impoetic
Speak.

@Sesq:
Funny hearing it from YOU towards ME

Stop evading. Answer my fucking questions.

[Sesq]

@Sesq do you consider Impoetic a compromise lynch, or do you 100% oppose it?

I think Impo's town who is new and approaching things overly-skeptical. Also, most of this wagon has derived from her being away for the first bit of this day which seems illegitimate. I'd need more convincing.

I'd like Drone to actually speak up. Still.

[Sesq]

@Sesq do you consider Impoetic a compromise lynch, or do you 100% oppose it?

I think Impo's town who is new and approaching things overly-skeptical. Also, most of this wagon has derived from her being away for the first bit of this day which seems illegitimate. I'd need more convincing.

I'd like Drone to actually speak up. Still.

What are you trying to achieve with this post?

Respond to a question asked of me. Where's that case you had against me? I'm going to keep asking, and voting, until you respond.

[Sesq]

@Sesq why did you unvote me d2 again?

I remember you were scumreading me so what changed?

My major issue was it seeming like you tunneling on shannon, but that was me being bad at reading.

@Titus: with impo, it seems like the wagon today was made on her being away, which seems illegitimate. Would be very surprised if there was no scum on that wagon, seeing how it played out.

as for shannon, seems relatively towny. I don't know, kind of hard to read.

Drone, you know what I'm asking you.

[Sesq]

I didn't ask for your thoughts on the Impoetic wagon. I asked for your thoughts on Impoetic.

Also, your read on Shannon isn't much of one either. Have you read Rask's recent posts? Why does Shannon "seem townie"?

Impoetic is really newby, and seems to just say stupid stuff and be overly skeptical. As for shannon, it's not that she seems townie, it's that she seems not scummy, and my base position on people is that they are town-leaning, by general principle. As for Rask's more recent posts, they are physically difficult to read. I have a sort of semi-dyslexic thing with long paragraphs. There have been other points in the game where this has been an issue.

[Sesq]

also rask replaced drealmerz, right? titus replaced rabbit?

D7 was night killed, but Titus replaced rabbit.

rask replaced ironstove just so ya know

[Sesq]

@Kyouko
You ain't getting Drone/Sesq talks.

@Sesq
You're actually the newbie town here, your reads are so all over the place and so weird that it looks like you're making shit up.
Here's for clarity; 2371
Shannon is town
2385
Actually NOT town, just not scummy (aliens confirmed)

Fuck it.
How DARE you call Impoetic newbie with plays like these?
With this i'm ending the "Drone/Sesq" talks Kyouko wanted.

Kyouko; all that would have been cool if not the "what do you think TTTT?"
Do you really need attention? Like, I can see you're working hard to get it. But c'mon...

First off, I said I would unvote if you explained, and you have. UNVOTE: Drone

However, you don't have a good one. At all. Yes, I am newbie, self-admitted. If you actually look into the example you gave, I was not conflicting myself. In the second post I clarify "my default position is town-leaning", which fits with my previous "shannon is sort of town". Being a noob does not mean I can't say other people aren't. I think you need to learn how to read better. Yes I know.

As for other people... Gerry is still lurking crazy. I realize that right now he's on V/LA, but he's still who I find scummiest. VOTE: gerrygoat

And to clarify, I didn't think you were the scummiest person all throughout having my vote on you, I just wasn't moving it until you spoke.

[Sesq]

the wagon on me is shameful tbh. still no one has answered why they're on it.

It's due to Impo's play being generally inconsistent and her not posting for the first bit of this day, which is where all the votes piled up. I should look into Titus more, I've been more or less ignoring her the entire game because "meta", which is a bad excuse.

[Sesq]

Who exactly is rushing to save the Imp/shad slot?

Shannon, SSM, Drone

And I as well, at a slight pace.

You confuse me. It looks like you take random wagons every day and just funnel onto them. It seems too erratic to be planned, but VOTE: Titus

[Sesq]

Ugh, I meant that was more gut, and a need for real reasoning. Considering my previous efforts in voting to coax out reasoning, I might be waiting for a while.

[Sesq]

At least two towns are dumb

Explain things.

[Sesq]

At least two towns are dumb

Explain things.

Town isn't voting obvious scum. Expects detailed explanations when already given, and pursuing heads up ass reads.

Basically, ignore everyone else, do same stupid shit.

Kills interest for me when I have caught scum and excuses.

I'm assuming Impo/shad is obvscum, why would that be?

[Sesq]

I def. think there should be some form of polling to see the best compromise. I'm currently ok with a gerry (literally zero input entire game, just hops on wagons, no pro-town play or seeming intent. More attention over here) lynch, a Titus (plans seem erratic and planned, daychat considered. Little backing behind wagons, and seems to be manipulating the field a bit, maybe) and maybe shadonra (impo's play was kinda questionable, slot is looking fine now though.)

As for strong townreads, ssbm is up there... and cant think of anyone else.

[Sesq]

Still missing that explanation.
Or you acting like a mature adult.

[Sesq]

Still missing that explanation.
Or you acting like a mature adult.

Already gave it. Impo scumclaimed.

Mature adult =\= mislynching town.

Sources?

When I was saying you were being immature, it was due to your "fuck you I'm getting what I want" attitude.

[Sesq]

It couldn't have been a typo?

I'm still feeling really dissatisfied with this day today. I feel better with a Titus lynch than an SSBM lynch, and we are running out of time. I feel very uncomfortable doing this but... oh wait I'm already voting titus. Ok. SSBM just seems to be really weird out-there town, while titus is having weird pushes and logic and it feels incredibly inorganic.

[Sesq]

It couldn't have been a typo?

I'm still feeling really dissatisfied with this day today. I feel better with a Titus lynch than an SSBM lynch, and we are running out of time. I feel very uncomfortable doing this but... oh wait I'm already voting titus. Ok. SSBM just seems to be really weird out-there town, while titus is having weird pushes and logic and it feels incredibly inorganic.

Really?

Yes

SSM feels organic but I don't?

Just because I said you felt inorganic doesn't mean I think he feels particularly organic. It's the strength he goes about things with, he seems to be in his own corner kinda tossing up things, but he doesn't try to push it onto everyone else. His posts smell more of overanalyzing than anything.

What is organic about "let's lynch the neighbors"?

When was this said?

Why the hell are you so resistant to voting obvious scum?

In your opinion they are. The more you say this, the less inclined I am to believe you.

[Sesq]

What is organic about "I'm taking my no result to mean guilty"

I said it. I meant it. I followed through on it. I am right on it. You pounced me for my result being on your buddy.

But how does that make any sense?

Stop being a Viva.

[Sesq]

Sesq, vote shannon with me.

I don't see it. The only scumminess I saw from her was on Day 2 in the form of some messages that were worded in a weird way that felt scummy. As for today I haven't seen anything

[Sesq]

If Sesq or Rask would like to let me know which wagon they think they're going to end on, I'll vote there now. I've got maybe 10 minutes and then I've really got to get back to work

I really don't like making definitive claims, as I like to be dynamic and open-minded with my reads, unlike the person I'm currently voting for. And for the reasons mentioned above, I'm With Her™ to the end of the day, most likely.

[Sesq]

If you've got to get back to work then in the interest of avoiding no-lynch you should probably vote shad, if avoiding no lynch is indeed what you're interested in

I think voting one of the L-2 wagons would help more...

[Sesq]

Gerry has been one of my top scumreads. Should I L-1 this?

[Sesq]

Ok... VOTE: gerrygoat

[Sesq]

the first one of Titus-Drone-Shannon-Rask to say "Whoa whoa whoa fellows. That wagon on Mr. Gerryoats moved way too fast"
is his partner

If you had waited on it you probably would've gotten an actual result this way
that said this was probably the fastest moving wagon I've ever seen in any mafia game ever
then again, he was scumread before and was generally suspicious throughout game so meh

[Sesq]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

[Sesq]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

Open-mindedness is not determined by number of wagons, it's determined by receptivity to other points of view, which you have not displayed.

My "Are you a democrat?" jab was a reference to the mainstream media's response to a recent political event.

[Sesq]

if you think i'm mafia with RB, you're really shit at mafia and should quit

Best Play 2017

Do you have a defense or not? This is the point at which I'd hammer you, if I wasn't already voting you.

[Sesq]

if you think i'm mafia with RB, you're really shit at mafia and should quit

Best Play 2017

Do you have a defense or not? This is the point at which I'd hammer you, if I wasn't already voting you.

you're the dumb town voting me, that's the sad thing.

Can you back this up with anything or just make assertions?

This is why you're L-1.

[Sesq]

Titus still looks scummy from everything before this day. VOTE: Titus

Also, with 3 roles being revealed so far, and mafia only having a strongman, the whole neighbor gunsmith thing seems really unlikely. Also with neighbor, it's an easy coverup for daychat.

[Sesq]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

[Sesq]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Hey Sesc, you might want to not recreate the past while you do not even have a clue what is going on.

At least I'm open recieving new ideas.

Shit, you're dragging me down into your pettysphere.

Shannon, I'm VT.

[Sesq]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

He's the nulliest of null for me. I would perhaps compromise lynch him.

When I say you're not being open-minded, it's because you're taking your scumREADS and townREADS and labeling them as scum and town indefinitely. This has been a recent trend in your posts (or perhaps I didn't notice before).

[Sesq]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

He's the nulliest of null for me. I would perhaps compromise lynch him.

When I say you're not being open-minded, it's because you're taking your scumREADS and townREADS and labeling them as scum and town indefinitely. This has been a recent trend in your posts (or perhaps I didn't notice before).

Yes. That's a me trait.

I get information. I solve the game. I push the solution.

But what happens is you label them as scum and town, and then use these unconfirmed reads as evidence against people.

[Sesq]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

He's the nulliest of null for me. I would perhaps compromise lynch him.

When I say you're not being open-minded, it's because you're taking your scumREADS and townREADS and labeling them as scum and town indefinitely. This has been a recent trend in your posts (or perhaps I didn't notice before).

Yes. That's a me trait.

I get information. I solve the game. I push the solution.

But what happens is you label them as scum and town, and then use these unconfirmed reads as evidence against people.

Great, you want to argue Impoetic is town then? Go ahead.

If not, my analysis is sound.

Can you read? I just said I would compromise lynch Shad.

[Sesq]

You seem to want me to go elsewhere or believe he is town. If you want me to do that, ok. You will need to say why.

I need to know why I cannot get a basic conversation on him. Waiting for a compromise just wound up with you ignoring my compromise pool and lynching obvious town.

I don't see why you think I'm talking about shad primarily here. It's a pattern within your posts in general.

Also, I think we should start looking at other players a bit. If scum is outside of Titus and shad (and it's unlikely both are scum), they're currently getting no attention.

[Sesq]

The Gerryoat lynch was actually very bad but with TTTT and Gerryoat out, my reads solidified.
Titus is one.
The second is either in Raskolnikov or Shannon.

Why do you read rask and shannon?

I can understand Titus, evidently.

[Sesq]

Can you elaborate on shannon being "shaky"?

[Sesq]

Just do not lynch me until I come up with a plan for you to follow tomorrow. I have company coming into town tonight.

I think if you were going to be hammered it would have happened by now. Scum are probably already on the wagon.

Well, TTTT (townflip) hammered on D1, Drone (?) hammered on D2, and shannon (YOU) hammered on D3... might want to reconsider this logic here.

[Sesq]

Just do not lynch me until I come up with a plan for you to follow tomorrow. I have company coming into town tonight.

I think if you were going to be hammered it would have happened by now. Scum are probably already on the wagon.

Well, TTTT (townflip) hammered on D1, Drone (?) hammered on D2, and shannon (YOU) hammered on D3... might want to reconsider this logic here.

I don't quite see what you're getting at?

You seem to be implying that scum are the people that hammer, and I was showing why that wasn't the case.

The (YOU) was meant to show you how you are minimally implying you are scum.

[Sesq]

Because Shadonra and your reads are solidified to the towny side.
While Shannon is shaky here and Rask lives WAYYY too long.

The next nk will also clear up shit ton of stuff

Do you really think Rask has lived too long? I don't see that.

Oh you don't?
Scum have this preference to keep Raskolnikov with her pages long analytics and night kill TTTT instead?
Cmon, you're better than that.

I fail to see the link.

[Sesq]

The only person I'm 100% not lynching today is Sesq.

SSBM I am unlkely to lynch. He keeps trying to set up groups of lynch candidates, with strategies that seem town motivated. Or at least, I can't poke any obvious holes in them. I think that 3015 is probably right; RB was not a glorious town wagon and at least one scum was on it, with {Titus Drone SSBM} remaining. I'm unlikely to lynch SSBM unless someone comes up with something really significant.

Drone and Titus together I can't see. As I said above, I can't think why the two of them would concoct a cover story that involved a neighbourhood. So, which one?

Shad I am really unsure about. I can see a possible Titus/Shad team. Titus interpreting a no result as guilty caused most of us to rebel and say 'no way', and that kind of freed Shad up to be a town read, or at least null. I can see that as plausible.

Drone and Shad I just plain don't see. If anyone has a really good case for this as the team can they please out it?

Rask I have town read for a while but I am wondering whether I am alone there?

Why have you been 100% townreading me this whole time? That's not a healthy attitude towards townreads nor scumreads. I feel like I might be being used.

[Sesq]

This hammer upsets me

[Sesq]

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