Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[Titus]

Sesq, thoughts on Shannon and Impoetic?

[Titus]

I didn't ask for your thoughts on the Impoetic wagon. I asked for your thoughts on Impoetic.

Also, your read on Shannon isn't much of one either. Have you read Rask's recent posts? Why does Shannon "seem townie"?

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

@Titus
why'd you choose to use your GS rather than JK?

I'll be V/LA until Dec. 26

but I have a chance to check in now and then.

With 2+ scum alive, I favor GS in case I got a result and lived.

JK might tell me something, but its a long shot.

[Titus]

I am only voting Impoetic, or if I must compromise Shannon.

Ty.

[Titus]

And then Drone.

Everyone else is town.

#stubborntime

[Titus]

I think

You/shannon
You/drone

Fml

[Titus]

Yes, in rare circumstances

[Titus]

We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.

Titus have you looked around VC 1.20 when rb first hits L-1? Drone's unvote suggests scum imo

I will take a look, but why does it suggest scum to you?

Also, this whole lynch my hoodmate to verify accuracy is skeevy as shit.

[Titus]

We lynch impoetic slot? No. Ok.

[Titus]

@Titus just wondering, why did you gunsmith impo over shannon?

Total lack of votes.

[Titus]

answer my damn question

Who is this to?

[Titus]

My posts say all. This is dragging because no one wants to bus you.

[Titus]

hmm. I'm really getting turned off by all these other wagons we've explored today, specifically shannon's and Impoetic/shadonra's. If we're not lynching Drone I'll still do Titus by deadline but I'd rather check on the validity of the neighborhood claim by lynching the one that doesn't claim to have a JK shot left in them. I believe both players have confirmed that they both started the game in the neighborhood, which means that mafia neighborizer isn't a possibility here. Will go back and check on what they said when I asked them about it, and will look at some timestamps as well to confirm, but pretty sure there's not a neighborizer. Would also lynch Gerry today as a third choice, but not above one of the "neighbors".

People should lynch Drone though, rabbit was pretty towny and if drone flips scum we can always do titus tomorrow. We already lynched a claimed PR once this game, lets not do that again

Yuck.

Why no impoetic slot? You seem to want to lynch everywhere else that has got a hint of support

[Titus]

If scum have 3 strongman kills, there is zero point to a limit shot jk.

The strongman is gone.

You are being terrible.

[Titus]

Ssm, what stops Drone from being a mafia neighbor?

[Titus]

I don't think analysis via mod meta is good. Let's just flip Impoetic.

Then get the partner.

[Titus]

Impoetic has 5 for lynch.

I only want Impoetic.

This rush to save him is bad. That slot cannot be in lylo.

[Titus]

Who exactly is rushing to save the Imp/shad slot?

Shannon, SSM, Drone

[Titus]

Like wtf is this noise.

I give up.

[Titus]

At least two towns are dumb

[Titus]

At least two towns are dumb

Explain things.

Town isn't voting obvious scum. Expects detailed explanations when already given, and pursuing heads up ass reads.

Basically, ignore everyone else, do same stupid shit.

Kills interest for me when I have caught scum and excuses.

[Titus]

Total lack of votes, total defenses, deflection away from him doing things, replacement focused on being liked

Oh yeah and the no result and people jumping to attack so yeah

[Titus]

And if Drone and I are both town, you're saying I wanna mislynch.

Ssm, you are not hunting by play, and this worries me.

[Titus]

Titus can be confirmed later, no need to lynch her

This is a counter to scum.

[Titus]

Why the FUCK can we not lynch the Impoetic slot?

It had not voted for 3 dlfucking days, which is as close to a scumclaim as it gets.

The whole flipping town Drone neighbor confirms nothing. He is gun to my head lynch for Impoetic defense, but that's gradually shifting to the whole thread.

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

[Titus]

Still missing that explanation.
Or you acting like a mature adult.

Already gave it. Impo scumclaimed.

Mature adult =\= mislynching town.

[Titus]

We have one day. Get on Shandora people.

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

I do not understand a world in which you prefer to lynch SSBM or Sesq over a no lynch.

I also do not understand why you would prefer to lynch these two over Gerry and TTTT.

Your whole read is basically that Impoetic gave no result and I got annoyed with you for withholding your result. And you don't like how I look at game mechanics instead of relying solely on play. That's not a case.

Or rather, it's as much a case for me being impatient (and how could I have known you'd investigate Impoetic, if we were a team?) and there being a roleblocker somewhere, as it is for me and Impoetic being some kind of ascetic/roleblocker/ninja/strongman combo team. Seriously. Let it go. Look at things from another perspective.

They refuse to lynch scum, yet have him at null, which makes them candidates to be scum.

My read is a Impoetic did not vote for three days, which is a scumclaim. He was going to be lynched, but scum created counters, the slot has done nothing. Plus, the ascetic result.

Impoetic is scum. Period.

The sole question is who is his buddy.

I have my five choices. That's expansive enough with 9 slots.

You can meet me halfway,

[Titus]

Oh god I really do want to be lynched now.
All those "glorious" tunneling posts by Kyouko would explode in his face, unveiling a scum.
Or a town who lost the game.

VOTE: Gerryoat

Vote SSM then.

I will no lynch before Gerry.

[Titus]

There's no point to vote Kyouko.
No one would join me.

I am alone on confscum and SSM is giving buddy tells. We have 1 day. I would join, reluctantly.

[Titus]

You could join me on Impoetic though and make my year.

[Titus]

Update:

Drone wants TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko
Rask wants Drone, Shannon, TTTT
Shad wants Gerry, not Kyouko, not TTTT
Shannon wants TTTT, Gerry, not Sesq or Rask
Titus wants Shad, Shannon, Drone, Kyouko, or Sesq and will 100% not go Gerry
Kyouko wants Drone, Titus, Gerry, Shad
TTTT doesn't say except we're not lynching Shannon; has no concerns about Shad/Impoetic lynch except Titus is pushing it


- Titus has claim protection
- Shad has 'no one trusts Titus' result' protection
- I have ... I don't know what kind of protection, but for some reason my wagon has fallen away
- SSBM, Rask, Sesq are pretty universal town reads excepting Titus


@Drone if you don't want to be lynched today you probably should point out the SSBM tunnel posts


(BUT - - - Isn't someone sure both neighbours are town?! This is the bit that I get stuck on with Drone)

Titus has obvious town protection
Shad has scum do not want to bus plus shade protection
You have you are scum or an idiot protection
Rask , Gerry and TTT have all been universal town until the last 10 hours


That's what your analysis should say

[Titus]

Given the whole "prove we're neighbors" analysis is retarded. Take me off of willing to lynch Drone.

[Titus]

Make your year sounds tempting.
But then I wouldn't feel good with myself if I lynch Shadonra without reading him throughly and he flips town.

@Shannon
Every post.
Every
SSBMingle
One

Then vote SSM already and promise me your vote tomorrow.

Let's get this over with.

[Titus]

Look.
I think Titus won't die tonight.
There's someone in between the Mafia who enjoys the cloud of doubt over Titus.

Then great, what does that do towards progressing us towards a lynch?

Vote SSM Impoetic seek or Shannon. Ty.

[Titus]

You're making this harder than it should be.

[Titus]

There take my kidney. Will that make it easier?

[Titus]

There's four fucking names, one of which you're griping no one will join you.

Pick one.

[Titus]

Sesq

, I trust you the most so my final reads are

Town: Kyouko, Shannon, and TTTT
Null: Rask, Impoetic
Null Scum: Drone, Gerry
Scum: D7, Titus

Please sheep them and lead the town to victory.

Reading Drone ISO backwards atm and spotted that in a quote chain or something; feeling right about my scumpool. Lots of subtle slights and very little scumhunting from what I can tell. Reminds me of our Newbie game where he was scum and Rask and I were town. Basically when you go along with his ideas he leaves you alone but when you don't he belittles your play. Reads and interactions with Titus don't feel genuine either but that's just my perspective on it.

Also shannon we don't know they're neighbors yet, they could be scum together claiming neighbors to protect each other.

If they somehow both make it to 5 way LyLo one has to be lynched. If they're both town that's a loss. Therefore, they cannot both be allowed to make it to 5 way LyLo.

pedit:even now Drone is setting up WIFOM for why Titus isn't going to get NKed while they throw around their scum theatre. Bet pretty soon Titus votes Gerry or Drone will switch vote to shadonra/shannon, whichever one Titus is trying to mislynch atm

You are shad's partner. This the neighborhood might be fake is the absolute epitome of garbage posting. You also had previously agreed Impoetic could not live to lylo too. None of this is progressing towards a lynch or even attempting to do so.

[Titus]

Shannon, that vote is dumb. You should be ashamed.

[Titus]

VOTE: SSM

Still undeniably pissed no Shad lynch.

[Titus]

If I die, lynch SSM and Shad. Period. No excuses. Turbo lynch them.

[Titus]

You knew it when you reread my Iso.
Kyouko, you're depending on other's laziness.

Sorry, what did I know, exactly? I'm depending on other people to read your iso and take notice of the apparent lack of scumhunting coupled with the shade you throw

Project much?

All you have done is throw shade and claim ooh maybe the hood is fake

Seriously, what do scum even get from faking a hood?

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

If scum fake the hood it's sort of like faking masons only you can't be UB JOAT if you're a mason. Gives you 2 a reason not to vote each other if you've been having private discussions in the hood that lead you to TR each other

So...if I am a mason, I am town anyway. Same with Drone.

Scum masons not allowed.

No, I am townreading Drone because there is no way you can actually believe the words that are coming out of your mouth.

Scum daychat has to be announced or with encryptor role.

[Titus]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

If scum fake the hood it's sort of like faking masons only you can't be UB JOAT if you're a mason. Gives you 2 a reason not to vote each other if you've been having private discussions in the hood that lead you to TR each other

Thank you this is the answer I wanted fifty years ago when I asked why you'd put neighbours in a game instead of masons if neighbours are always town.

One scum 1 town or confirming me as town is just too powerful, wifom paranoia.

It took 50 years to "get an answer" because you are not listening.

SSM is not standing behind their vote at all. They are not saying anyone is town or scum. They just want two players gone that don't seem inclined to vote each other.

[Titus]

I adamantly refuse to lynch ssbm today. Feel free to turbolynch me if he flips scum, but I don't see that happening.

Great. Then town wins.

[Titus]

Oh Shannon. You just ruined my moment..

Sorry.

How is this for recompense:

VOTE: SSBM L-2

Thank you.

[Titus]

I am not voting TTT or Gerryoat.

Gerry is confirmed town practically. TTT is obvtown. Rask is obvtown.

It's almost certainly SSM and Shad.

I'd compromise on Sesq or Shannon but my compromise window on those is closing rapidly.

I do not care if we no lynch. I refuse to vote a townread.

Drone is towning it up and the only reasons forgo

[Titus]

The discredit mode is insane.

You want to nitpick my methods? Fine. Actually put forth how you can actually townread SSM or Shad. Or vote them. My methods are not the most traditional, but I am good at this game.

[Titus]

VOTE: TTTT

I'll settle on this if nothing else.

I don't know one reason to townread TTTT.

On ISO I can't find the reasoning behind pretty much anything he does; he expresses reads but I don't know the basis behind any of them.

This is why ISO without context is bad. Stop playstyle lynching. If you're at that point, sheep me.

[Titus]

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

[Titus]

I feel like when shadonra replaced too he just shaded him instantly rather than try to read him? Shad's response to not having a strong meta read on him made sense so I don't see the issue there.

I made 80 scum posts in that game after replacing in
shad was my partner
shad said he followed along to this game since day1
when ssbm asked for a read on me shad said...

I did not get a good read on TTTT in the game he replaced into. There was pretty much one interaction before the game ended.

how does town not share anything there?

Then vote Shad.

We need to agree on a decent wagon since SSM and Shad will not vote each other.

[Titus]

Gerry is confirmed town practically.

plz explain "confirmed town practically"

Counterwagon to scum, weakass push day before deadline by scum.

Plz explain why you are not voting Shad or SSM.

[Titus]

It's VCA stuff again.
He was the counterwagon to rb if I'm not wrong..

I still doubt VCAs

Grublmes...my vcas in larges I had the scumpool 8 times in a row a year or so ago.

I may not read word choice, but I do read votes well.

VCA is applied social psychology to the situation at hand.

[Titus]

To do an effective VCA, ypu need claims, knowledge of good scum play, detailed vote counts and ideally 1 scum flip not caused by a guilty.

I will explain more in our hood.

[Titus]

So basically, if I didn't care, you're claiming you'd lynch Shad. Poppycocks.

If you're referring to MD, yeah. Vote analysis is much easier in larges. More data points.

What do you not get about needing to reach a consensus? I will not lynch Gerry.

[Titus]

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Transcend, rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

rb (1)

: ironstove

Transcend (1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, drealmerz7, Drone, TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.02

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Transcend, rb

rb (2)

: ironstove, drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.03

rb (3)

: ironstove, drealmerz7, Transcend

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.05

rb (4)

: ironstove, drealmerz7, Sesq, TTTT

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

TTTT (1)

: Drone

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.06

rb (2)

: ironstove, TTTT

TTTT (2)

: Drone, rb

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

VC 1.08

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, Transcend, ironstove

drealmerz7 (2)

: shannon, Lil Uzi Vert

rb (1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, rb, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, Transcend, ironstove

drealmerz7 (3)

: shannon, Lil Uzi Vert, rb

rb (1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Look at these wagons. Kohai is Gerry. Impoetic Shad.

Rb jumps on every counter in sheeptastic position BUT Impoetic. Look who is leading Impoetic. Gerry slot.

Today Gerry is a counter to scum and weakass push by SSSM and Shad.

[Titus]

So basically, if I didn't care, you're claiming you'd lynch Shad. Poppycocks.

I think you could be scum
I think shad could be scum
but probably not together
so yeah, I don't like voting with my scumreads
especially near deadline

Yeah, this has zilch to do with how forceful I am but that you're still head in sand scumreading me.

[Titus]

Oh you meant day 1, yeah being the counter to scum is evidence on it's own if you ignore the Impietic is obvious scum. I will grab that wagon.

[Titus]

VC 1.17

rb (3)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7 (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

: rb

Transcend (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.22

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.23

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb (4)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7 (1)

: Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.27

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Titus

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone, Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

This is a day 1 scum are powerless to prevent this lynch setup.

The votes are static. Scum wouldn't feel powerless to swing the votes to Gerry if Impoetic was town.

In a bus, scum tend to be in the middle and do nothing to save a buddy. That leans towards SSM and Drone.

[Titus]

Well that's a bonus.

Early pushers of rb = clear.
Early pushers of Impeotic are clear.

Ssm drone. Ty vm.

[Titus]

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

[Titus]

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

rb wagon was slooow
rb was obvscum and had given up
no busing would be required for that lynch

Yet, scum need to vote somewhere or not at all.

They don't want to be on the counter. Hence why I was unable to get one.

That leaves lurk, bus, or safeplace.

No scum on Gerry wagon.
Scum shad/Impoetic lurked.
SSM bussed.

[Titus]

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

Nowhere near lynching TTTT or Rask. On phone in bed still but getting up soon. Will go back to 1441 or whatever that post was and see what I was speculating. It was probably a vigi theory if it was the thing I wasnt talking about on the morning of D2. Townblock I was referring to was Transcend, d7, me, TTTT from D1. I did say I'd vote shadonra if I was the hammer vote and the wagon composition was good.

Rask, TTTT, Sesq are my TRs. The wagons and pushes on Shannon and shadonra today have given me bad feelings.

Anyone who actually read day 1 would know I wasn't bussing rb
Also enjoying the way I've pointed out to you multiple times that Drone bailed off the rb wagon when it hit L-1 and never came back. He was trying to get other people to buy rb's fakeclaim by leading them by example

That's actually more indicative of town Drone. The never getting back on is indicative of consistency. Scum don't want to be the sole unvoter.

You still can bus Impoetic. There is time for that, or you ignore that part of the analysis?

[Titus]

Like I don't know which part of the analysis you're talking about when you confirm Impoetic as scum. If you're talking about the lurking/safeplace votes, again, you're completely ignoring yours and shannon's votes, as well as arbitrarily clearing Drone's vote of any suspicion because it was on Gerry, on the basis that scum

wouldn't

be on the counterwagon to scum.
7
Ridiculous analysis.

If rb was scum torpedoing himself, then yes scum would not be on his counterwagon as the counter would bever go through and they'd look bad.

Also, in all my years of mafia, I do not recall a single town slot ever going 3 days without voting and being town.

Generating scum is best at PoE.

Yet, here you are dismissing the analysis as ridiculous, not doing your own and trying to attack the townblock.

At this point, I am throughly convinced you will never vote Shad or townread him today. You'll never want discussion of him and vote anywhere but you and him as a "compromise" on town.

Now, unless you intend to actually champion a wagon based on someone's play, kindly shut up. I am talking with town to try and lynch scum.

You need to move Shannon.

Shad or SSM.

[Titus]

Deadline's coming and I'd much rather Drone but this is where my TRs are voting and Titus ignores cases on Drone anyways so they're probably partners
VOTE: Titus
L-1

I am not L minus 1, you lying sack of shit

[Titus]

It couldn't have been a typo?

I'm still feeling really dissatisfied with this day today. I feel better with a Titus lynch than an SSBM lynch, and we are running out of time. I feel very uncomfortable doing this but... oh wait I'm already voting titus. Ok. SSBM just seems to be really weird out-there town, while titus is having weird pushes and logic and it feels incredibly inorganic.

Really?

SSM feels organic but I don't?

What is organic about "let's lynch the neighbors"?

Why the hell are you so resistant to voting obvious scum?

[Titus]

What is organic about "I'm taking my no result to mean guilty"

I said it. I meant it. I followed through on it. I am right on it. You pounced me for my result being on your buddy.

[Titus]

P.S. i just realized with Shad not voting me, that L minus 1 is telling. It's a neon sign to him.

[Titus]

Besides if you really meant that no result equated to a guilty you would have never unvoted Impoetic/shadonra all day, but here you are, voting me

I have actually voted others with a guilty before.

See Wake's RoleMadness.

I am fucking death with a gunsmith result if I can get town to stop being dumb. I was 7 for 8 or something. I only missed 1 result and hit the sole VT.

Even then I still had one person speculate I was scum guiltying both sides for shits and giggles.

[Titus]

Both scum are voting this.

Not hammering.

[Titus]

Both scum are voting this.

Not hammering.

that's impossible for you see, one of the scum is the target of the wagon

No, you and SSM are on this. You are scum. So is SSM.

I already know you are scum. So that is not impossible.

[Titus]

Both of these are stupid

Kyouko's obvtown and gerryoats was literally rb counterwagon d1

any of drone shannon TTTT become impossible to get going but kyouko titus and gerryoat wagons spring up magically

I would vote Shad.

I am not hammering Gerry.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you doubling down so hard on your reads now and being even less open? Are you a Democrat?

I have 4 wagons. It's others who are not open.

I am most closely aligned with Democrats but I do not see the relevance.

Open-mindedness is not determined by number of wagons, it's determined by receptivity to other points of view, which you have not displayed.

My "Are you a democrat?" jab was a reference to the mainstream media's response to a recent political event.

I am not known for my receptivity. If you are on my side, I go all out for you. That's the way I was raised. You murder your enemies, defend your friends, and find out who is who. If you murder my friends, I don't care for you.

That's me in a nut shell.

I will never vote ttt, Gerry, rask. Ever.

[Titus]

You want to change my mind, bring me new facts.

[Titus]

it's obvious i'm town by how fast it flipped. i think 1 town is voting me rn since it flipped so fast

There's a minimum of two town voting you unless you think 4 scum.

[Titus]

if you think i'm mafia with RB, you're really shit at mafia and should quit

Best Play 2017

Do you have a defense or not? This is the point at which I'd hammer you, if I wasn't already voting you.

you're the dumb town voting me, that's the sad thing.

Can you back this up with anything or just make assertions?

This is why you're L-1.

He's at l minus 1 because SSM wants to rip my townreads up and the counter is scum.

Don't delude yourself.

[Titus]

knowing impoetic the way i do, i think that was her scum game. i gave you guys my thoughts as i have previous gaming experience with her off site. which is why i voted shandora. i dont want titus lynched, but i dont want a No Lynch which is why i voted ssbm. idk why people are trying to say my votes arent justified.

Great so Shad and who?

[Titus]

Rask, would you vote Shad?

[Titus]

Do I have time? I'm very happy to see the end of Gerry.

Anyone opposing a hammer speak up now

Me.

We can swing Shad.

You, me, Gerry, Rask, plus 1 more

[Titus]

VOTE: Drone

You have got to be kidding me.

[Titus]

OOh shit looks like the day was meant to be over a half hour ago.

Fingers crossed
VOTE: Gerry

Ffs

[Titus]

VOTE: Shad aka Impoetic

Shad or SSM today.

[Titus]

*smacks you* I had Gerry as doctor from his responses. He was doctor or scum. That's why I would REFUSED to vote him.

This is just SSM retaliation for me scumreading them accurately.

[Titus]

What I'm saying is the Transcend kill is explained by a strongman because Gerry was doc. This means it wasn't a roleblocker which means Titus wasn't blocked N2, which means "No Result" was a lie

Can any of you think of a good reason for town!Titus to lie about getting a no result?

Doc doesn't preclude the existance of a roleblocker.
Plus, you're assuming Impoetic is not ascetic.

You're still trying to shade my result.

Give it up. It's you and Shad.

[Titus]

I want Shad flipped first. I am bet the game levels on him.

You are 85% scum. You could just be a massive idiot. However unlikely.

[Titus]

Wait Titus are you suggesting there's a roleblocker and a strongman? A roleblocker can't kill Transcend N1 because he had double protection from his own BP (according to you, and why would you lie about that? ) and it is apparent that Gerry Docced Transcend because he was sure that there was a strongman. It was only after he realized that nobody else could know it was a strongman for sure unless he claimed that he backed down from that theory. And you pushed him so hard over it because you knew he was onto something

Scum joat.

[Titus]

How convienent you abandon it when you're trying to mislynch.

I am at joat or Shad is ascetic, which I still believe.

You're scared that a Shad scumflip confirms I am right.

[Titus]

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

Hey guys look me in the eyes and tell me that Titus and I are both town

This VCA.
Is your first good VCA this game.

UNVOTE: Shadonra

Look at scum in the middle. All your votes are sheep for the most part. You do not lead.

I compromised on Lil.

I was wrong and tried to see who would counter deliberately tanking scum. I didn't know that was what he was doing. You and Impo likely did.

[Titus]

Drone, go ahead.

[Titus]

This is the same wagon that mislynch Gerry minus Drone. Stating the obvious before I go to bed.

[Titus]

I have.

You most likely.
Shad 100% certainty.

If I get hammerred, especially with this composition, tiwn deserves to lose.

Shad is confirmed scum. My analysis and my results confirm it.

Barring nuclear fallout, this vote is not moving.

Good night.

[Titus]

Shad cannot live until lylo. Period.

[Titus]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Hey Sesc, you might want to not recreate the past while you do not even have a clue what is going on.

[Titus]

@Rask, The votecount and rabid defense of shad without pointing to anything town the slot has done all game.

My backup would be anyone outside my hard town reads. That or rolecop explains Gerry death.

Why am I the only one qualifued to setup spec? If so, why are you not voting Shad?

[Titus]

What's the point of a JK is there's ascetic?

JK has two shots maximum. Yet, this is the biggest concern with an ascetic.

If we presume strongman (must be to bypass bulletproof and doc), then roleblocker on me.

We're looking at roleblock plus strongman, which could be divided or not.

[Titus]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Hey Sesc, you might want to not recreate the past while you do not even have a clue what is going on.

At least I'm open recieving new ideas.

Shit, you're dragging me down into your pettysphere.

Shannon, I'm VT.

I am. You need to provide new facts.

Instead, you ran off and lynched my lock town read.

[Titus]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

[Titus]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

He's the nulliest of null for me. I would perhaps compromise lynch him.

When I say you're not being open-minded, it's because you're taking your scumREADS and townREADS and labeling them as scum and town indefinitely. This has been a recent trend in your posts (or perhaps I didn't notice before).

Yes. That's a me trait.

I get information. I solve the game. I push the solution.

[Titus]

Ok, is anyone townreafing Impoetic/Shad?

Scum clearly do not want him discussed. No one townreads him. He couldn't get lynched.

He's the nulliest of null for me. I would perhaps compromise lynch him.

When I say you're not being open-minded, it's because you're taking your scumREADS and townREADS and labeling them as scum and town indefinitely. This has been a recent trend in your posts (or perhaps I didn't notice before).

Yes. That's a me trait.

I get information. I solve the game. I push the solution.

But what happens is you label them as scum and town, and then use these unconfirmed reads as evidence against people.

Great, you want to argue Impoetic is town then? Go ahead.

If not, my analysis is sound.

[Titus]

You seem to want me to go elsewhere or believe he is town. If you want me to do that, ok. You will need to say why.

I need to know why I cannot get a basic conversation on him. Waiting for a compromise just wound up with you ignoring my compromise pool and lynching obvious town.

[Titus]

Only way shad and Titus are town is if drone and Rask are the team

Why?

Why couldn't I get a Shad wagon through if that is the team? It would make much more sense that they're protecting a partner.

[Titus]

You seem to want me to go elsewhere or believe he is town. If you want me to do that, ok. You will need to say why.

I need to know why I cannot get a basic conversation on him. Waiting for a compromise just wound up with you ignoring my compromise pool and lynching obvious town.

The problem I have with lynching Shad is that you tried to tie him to me because I got frustrated and impatient with you for not revealing who you targeted.

You made a dumb play and I temporarily scumread you for it. I apologize for that. Sometimes I do mistake dumb for scum.

[Titus]

Only way shad and Titus are town is if drone and Rask are the team

Why?

Why couldn't I get a Shad wagon through if that is the team? It would make much more sense that they're protecting a partner.

SSM, I want an explanation for this, not an offhand comment about how Shad has no partners.

[Titus]

You seem to want me to go elsewhere or believe he is town. If you want me to do that, ok. You will need to say why.

I need to know why I cannot get a basic conversation on him. Waiting for a compromise just wound up with you ignoring my compromise pool and lynching obvious town.

The problem I have with lynching Shad is that you tried to tie him to me because I got frustrated and impatient with you for not revealing who you targeted.

You made a dumb play and I temporarily scumread you for it. I apologize for that. Sometimes I do mistake dumb for scum.

That is the worst apology I've ever read. I hope you're not like that IRL!

It's very me in Mafia. It's not me IRL. Well 99.9% of the time. The times where I argue my client is wrong scum well :-p

[Titus]

I withheld my jailkeep because it's a crap shoot and useless if Shad is ascetic.

[Titus]

Jailkeep is used at 1 scum not two.

[Titus]

All town wagons do happen, and this reeks of posturing after I get lynched to go after Shad.

I do think Shad is obvious scum, but last post is terrible grandstanding.

[Titus]

SSM, why did multiple counters come up to you yesterday?

[Titus]

The choice of Impoetic and for gunsmith and the result seem like a safe claim.
This can add up.
Again, we can be horribly wrong here, but the doc flip points she did fake claim.
Since she's this good, I'm confident with the lynch.
She'd be bashing me and dissing me hard for voting her if she'd be town.

Can you explain this part? I don't understand how claiming no result = guilty on Impo is a safe claim. I assume by doc -> Titus fake claim you mean that the setup is townsided, but from my POV I know there's a roleblocker. I don't like the rest of your post, but I don't have Titus meta so I don't feel like judging you on this.

1) This is something I didn't share with anyone up until now; but I always felt like, of all targets why Impoetic? With gunsmith??
Their existence was blurry and they barely did anything. Definitely they could target me for example, who they suspected back then.

2) I don't have a Titus meta, I actually met her the first time here.
But we're neighbours and it helped me to get to know her.

I gave you wake's rolemadness. You didn't look.

I know how to play roles. With a jailkeep that's 1 shot, you wait until you get a clear or a confirm.

[Titus]

The downside is even if titus is town if we mislynched she'd probably end up lynching kyouko in 5p

I am voting Shad. I am saying Shad is confirmed scum by play. Yet, you're postulating that I mislynch SSM in 5p
What the fork?

[Titus]

Okay I think shadonra's probably town.

Idk why he wouldn't just lynch titus otherwise given he probably could get away with it easily.
Shadonra scum with anyone outside of {Titus, Drone, Kyouko} should and would just lynch inside and let the remaining 2 fight next day I think.
But kyoukos town individually and as far as association 2885 is super risky and unlikely from him.
Drone-shadonra seems like the only real alternative but titus has too many things that don't make sense about her. Though as an alternative the team doesn't feel right either, interactions almost too bare and you'd expect some level of distancing I'd think.
Titus-shadonra's kind of a ridiculous notion really but doesn't actually matter with regard to this choice I think...

This is terrible analysis.

Shad is whiteknighting me so you don't turbo lynch him when I flip town.

My only concern by play on that is SSM posturing the no all town lynch on love.

[Titus]

I gotta go for IRL things but I am not a fan of Rask suddenly losing his townread on me when SSM positis Drone with Rask.

[Titus]

I am starting to go full paranoia though so maybe a day of recalibration while my friend is in town tonight will do good.

[Titus]

Just do not lynch me until I come up with a plan for you to follow tomorrow. I have company coming into town tonight.

[Titus]

If you lynch me, force Shad to vote first. Beyond that, I am getting frustrated as hell finding his partner.

Kykoko, why the fuck do you keep suggesting yourself as scum?

[Titus]

If you lynch me, force Shad to vote first. Beyond that, I am getting frustrated as hell finding his partner.

Kykoko, why the fuck do you keep suggesting yourself as scum?

Perhaps this is because I'M NOT SCUM.

No, my problem is too many options, not too few.

[Titus]

@Shannon, Just because I solved Gerry as a doc didn't mean he solved me or he'd make a smart action.

Can you just sheep me?

[Titus]

You'd have to make a case based on play not the no-counterwagon spec and ascetic push

Still waiting for an answer on this.

You said too to hold off because you'd re-calibrate and were going to come up with a plan and everything but I haven't see that either?

Tomorrow will be lylo. The best plan is force scum to vote first or lynch him.

VCA is my thing. Shad is nearly mod confirmed scum to me. He has been sheeping every popular wagon but SSM. Forcing him to vote first is the best play.

[Titus]

I have been running into a brick wall for days because you insist on three gallons of setup spec and burden of proficiency while mislynching town and miraculously wonder why I have not handed you scum while ignoring my scumreads...:/

Like if you refuse to even look at his play, there is nothing I can do.

[Titus]

He did fuck all. Nothing. Totally nothing.

I had IRL slowing me across the site.

[Titus]

Good job Rask refusing to even look at Shad.

Gg town.

We lose.

[Titus]

Shad isn't scum bc i cannot wahon him. Listen.

He is scum for doing jackshir.

He is scum bc the only way to get an uncontested scum d1 is lirking pr hard bus.

[Titus]

*shrug*

SSM, I did say that I could only inherit town roles BTW. You just had ceased listening because you didn't understand that I'm usually rather accurate at Gunsmith.

[Titus]

Spoiler: was gonna push shannon even harder d2, decided against it

Regarding transcend/rb and how shannon plays into it

First mention is in 394, to kohai saying he has a problem with transcend's fluffyrabbit townread. Shannon's answer is wishy-washy but concludes he might be right [about it being weird]. Then a mention that she played with transcend and luv before but lacks any memory of those games.
Now this is so far okay as a basis for a read.
But follow this through: shannon soon strong townreads fluffyrabbit too. Of note is the later 859 shannon has the early fluffy posts as screaming town to her, the same ones transcend got his early from which were too early. Possibly an oversight, but if this was the basis of the read you'd think she'd reconsider. And minor, but she doesn't revisit that previous game or meta (i.e. go back and read your own game you were a part of) when she later struggles "reading" transcend.

Now around this point transcend started to scumread shannon for a forced post, and then to rb starting that push, with 751 saying [rb] and other scum most likely being shannon and kohai(gerryoat).
813

My personal thoughts on Transcend lean towards scummy, but I take the word of people earlier in the game who said it's basically impossible to tell D1. Given that he can also apparently be really good as town, I don't think we should lynch there today, based on a cost/benefit thinky thing.

Now the thing is this shannon is expressing a mild scumlean here with the caveat that she shouldn't lynch him today. But I don't understand the pickyness when shannon didn't seem to have other scumreads; this prioritization makes sense if you have an alternative scumread that isn't a potentially good town player (you vote that person instead) but not really otherwise.

Interesting about RB's image macros potentially being a tic. Catch of the game if RB flips scum.

This is the first rb mention, although an indirect one as it's more talking about transcend and transcend's read on rb.
What I find interesting is the "transcend strong player" concept. Not first brought up by shannon but somewhat adopted- and from shannon scum perspective the view absolutely makes sense: transcend calling out RB that early based on image usage along with shannon in 751. The thing is this wouldn't even be an overly conscious decision, but rather just the truth to her pov, with transcend looking like a legitimately great town player her view actually makes sense if you think about it. It only looks odd because at that time she wouldn't have that much reason to think like that about pretty much her only scumread, and before rb flip you wouldn't necessarily be thinking about how impressive transcend's catch was. I think if shannon's scum she didn't want to vote right here out of a sort of self-conscious fear; I could see why she'd hesitate voting transcend right after he says rb/shannon. Also theorize that around this time she may have already been thinking of transcend in nightkill terms given the "respect" view and the (for scum shannon pov) accuracy.

814 to 824 is an exchange between transcend - shannon.
815 is awkward and the treating of transcend doesn't match the read (she said she doesn't want to lynch transcend as she isn't sure on him flipping scum)
816 has, after her townreads, the lone scumread, "Scum but not lynching for reasons stated: Transcend" which makes sense in about no situation.
Transcend rightfully wonders why shannon doesn't just come at him and her response being it's a read solely on bad vibes and questioning the rb wagon stuff as alignment-indicative.
Finally he asks why she doesn't just wagon him for the sake of clarifying the "bad vibes" read and says her play is too careful and tactical with the response in 824 kind of just mocking it
Read altogether shannon's approach regarding her read is absurd and answers to transcend ridiculous.
It's even awkward for scum, but I think what happened is shannon didn't expect to be pressed on her read or probed too far into it. Her townreads generally either townread transcend and/or thought he was good and you wouldn't expect any of them to have a problem with that sort of read because of her not-lynching caveat. It's only really transcend himself who could've challenged that and questioned the lack of vote because of how middle of the road it was.

852, 854, 859
I don't see why as town she wouldn't feel like quoting her scumread and try to back that up but happily does so for a townread. If anything I tend to get the opposite with describing townreads being pretty boring (and tends to get them killed).
She casts more shade here for tone and transcend switching styles but holds vote. The logic being that transcend acting seriously to push and justify a wagon isn't the same behaviour as he had in rvs. Around this point the rb wagon is starting to pick up.

911
Thing to note here: the "anti-town" angle regarding transcend's call for hammer. Good vs bad manners. I agree waiting for a claim d1 is generally correct play, but in that situation if my top scumread did that I would simply find it scummy rather than bad etiquette. It's a subtlety of phrasing but shannon is pushing this moreso that it's improper or anti-town than that its scummy and that transcend is scum for it. There is a sort of shock in the tone, but instead of the town sort of shock that your scumread is acting that scummy, this reads more of a shock that rb could get lynched without claim as the focus rather than transcend himself.
The transcend theory after that is actually not so bad and has depth of thought to it, I can see that being a legitimate fear. The only problem being she introduced it as "Actually, I can see a way that Scum Transcend makes this play:" which gives the feeling she herself doesn't seem to buy into it; there just isn't quite the conviction behind it.

1089
This is after rb and then transcend claim.
Shannon says the crumbs were very obvious (kind of) and it was her reasoning for not pushing him. I didn't think much of this at first beyond finding it OTT, but on review I do buy this, it makes perfect sense for her actions. But being true doesn't mean it's town. Either align can definitely pick up crumbs but naturally scum (or PR, but shannon confirms lil's "didn't visit anywhere" result) will look a lot harder, and shannon was the only one who made it out as she already knew. On top of that though she said it was incredibly obvious too. I can't personally judge this part that well given almost every crumb looks obvious in hindsight because of, well, hindsight. It is true the JK claim didn't really counterclaim BP so I don't have a problem with that analysis; again though the thing is she's pushing transcend for being wrong or acting anti-town moreso than being scum.

1278
Emphasis is on "case". At no point does shannon commit to a townread onto rb and in fact barely mentions him. It's the lack of case shannon has a problem with, the process, the urgency. And on transcend the gut/bad vibes, the change of tone (why is he being serious and using actual reasoning?) and the handling of claims as anti-town and bad manners. Nothing about the read, and town shannon would absolutely talk more about her own rb read here instead of focusing on this angle. Generally people don't take that much issue with a lynch of someone they don't townread, even if they're against it's kind of whatever but shannon is adamant about having it dismissed.

Altogether I think transcend was on the money regarding rb AND shannon, which was part of why shannon gained the notion of him as a very good player here (despite not remembering their game) and also why she wanted to discredit the case on rb without straight up townreading him. Shannon interaction with rb is almost non-existant.

Probably a good move.

If I got the impoetic lynch, I would have been all over you.

An uncontested scum lynch d1 means bussing scum or lurker/ineffective scum. Lurker scum is eliminated if Shad is town. Thus, hard bus.

I couldn't really say that with the hammer and driving.

[Titus]

266, both wagons on town.

Thus, scum likely avoid or have one on either.
Rask off wagon.

I didn't know SSM was town though given their anti-town pushes.

[Titus]

Mastina, did you approve the phrasing of the role PM for the Universal Backup? If so, we will have words.

That stuff wasn't clear and I did my best to avoid throwing JaeReed under the bus as their implementation is creative.