Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!

[ConManMick]

Ego
VOTE: havingfitz
I think having

FITZ

the description of scum
Hahahaha


Laugh.

[ConManMick]

Hahahaha


Laugh.

Awkward.

VOTE: ConManMick

OMGUS
Found scum

[ConManMick]

I do like that you typed my name out properly though

[ConManMick]

Nah the reaction test was that the person I mentioned wasn't on the playerlist and scum are more likely to be aware of that then town are.

What are you making this assumption based on? Why wouldn't town read the player list?

[ConManMick]

Also TIL Hungarians don't appreciate hungry/Hungary based puns

[ConManMick]

I really don't understand that assumption but sure

[ConManMick]

Nah the reaction test was that the person I mentioned wasn't on the playerlist and scum are more likely to be aware of that then town are.

Your post was on the same page as the player list? I had to look at it to confirm my doubt Transcend was in the game. Why wouldn't scum just glance at the list as well.

And what if you had putted a mason accidentally?

P.edit

So an outted stupid mason would be ok?

My theory is that scum would be more aware of the playerlist then town would be.
And I wouldn't out a mason since I would try to mention someone who wasn't in the game.
No an outed mason would not be okay.

I'll be honest with you though, it seems like such a claim might cause a potential knee jerk reaction from an actual mason that'd cause them to give themselves away. Makes me suspicious of the post because it comes across as role fishing early in the game.

[ConManMick]

VOTE: -Grey-
Scum reading the mod

[ConManMick]

Aye, and for all the wrong reasons

@mod, my vote is on -Grey-, not havingfitz

[ConManMick]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call moz' reads as sureties. I think his read on Alisae builds from #62 onwards. Uses words like "looks" etc. To be fair he does push on to use definitives, and it's a bit early for that, but I think it's just him solidifying his read. Not that I particularly agree with it.

[ConManMick]

I should like the three remaining players to start posting, also.

[ConManMick]

Waiting to hear back from the mod to confirm

[ConManMick]

What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

i thought someone voted for him cos he said someting to the mod. i dont see how that was scummy.

...so you've not bothered to read the four whole pages before this one? Are you overwhelmed by the breakneck pace of this dynamic and ever-changing game? (I suppose that would explain the catchup post you made earlier)

Even if you thought that was the reason for one vote, one vote does not a wagon make.

Where are you extrapolating this from

[ConManMick]

I just I don't really get what you are saying

[ConManMick]

@ConManMick

Spoiler:

@ fancypants - i often find it easier to work out town and try for P.O.E. Anyway, Alisae looks town to me.
I don't get the grey wagon.

What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

i thought someone voted for him cos he said someting to the mod. i dont see how that was scummy.

...so you've not bothered to read the four whole pages before this one? Are you overwhelmed by the breakneck pace of this dynamic and ever-changing game? (I suppose that would explain the catchup post you made earlier)

Even if you thought that was the reason for one vote, one vote does not a wagon make.

Where are you extrapolating this from

He said he didn't get the wagon. Since I had explained my vote thoroughly, I asked whether he needed clarification, or if he simply disagreed. His response was to cherry-pick something pretty unrelated to the actual wagon, as if he didn't bother to actually read. I found it incredulous.

I also wove in a passive-agressive remark about how ridiculous it is to make a catchup post (which he made on page 3 or 4) so early in a slow game.

Sound out, I've got you now

[ConManMick]

BBT! What's up man?

[ConManMick]

Hey CMM, long time no see!

I'm going to apologize in advance if you're scum and I need to lynch you!

No worries of that man

[ConManMick]

Catching up

[ConManMick]

unvote

[ConManMick]

@ConManMick, will you explain your comment on post 136.

I just thanked him for posting an explanation of the posts like I'd asked

[ConManMick]

Townwise I'm liking
BBT- play reminds me of old games we had together. Entrance looks good.
Anti - very strong entrance
-Grey- - my vote here was RVS of the best kind, pressure on the slot. I'm glad this wasn't lynched while I was gone because grey took the pressure like a champ and I'm fairly confident in this being town now.
On the question of scum
Moz, Fancy Pants, Alisae would be my reads, Alisae being more of a lean, the others I can see a bit more easily.

[ConManMick]

Moz's play seems very insincere to me, I'll try pin point why so that this is a little less airy fairy.
In the Anti vs. Fancy majig that went down a while back, it seems like Anti made solid points, whilst fancy's counter arguments were reaching. I didn't like it.

[ConManMick]

Having played with BBT before I can see this reaction coming from him as town

[ConManMick]

Having played with BBT before I can see this reaction coming from him as town

Holy shit where did you come from!!

But seriously please weigh in here. Also Meta is NAI.... sulking after this scenario is easily done by town and scum....

How do you feel about BBT before this?
What's your reads look like?

I have like 1000 questions but just start posting content please CMM

In terms of BBT, I liked his play this far. It reminded me of a game we played ages ago, I think it was an ice and fire multiball, or else a game I was in at the same time, I'll have to have a look. His style is aggressive tunnelling, IMO. I have a good feeling about him and would not lynch that slot today. I also played with him as my partner in my first ever scum game so I'll check out our old PT and that game, see if anything looks familiar.
To address my absence, I've been travelling a lot and splitting my attention when I can across several things. I'll try sort this out. I know someone had a question for me a few pages back but I can't see it, if they'd care to throw that back to me I'll get on it. Give me a bit and I'll do ye one better with an aul reads list.

[ConManMick]

where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?

yeah, havent seen anything massively town yet fromFitz.

Touching on my earlier comments re: Moz - this seemed kind of opportunistic. I had been reading fitz as town, so I guess that sort of tripped me up. His early posts are very much filler, and there's something very buddy-buddy about the style that rankles me. I could lynch this. I'm going to read read fitz too, see if I still stand in the same place on it.

[ConManMick]

I think I could happily put hawk and fitz in a basket of off-limits to lynch for the time being. They both kind of tick my boxes for suitable town play, engaging, providing lots of clarity with what they do etc. Not to say they couldn't be very cautious scum. Anyway, could anyone scum reading these two (because I vaguely remember seeing it written somewhere) give me a concise version of their reasons?

[ConManMick]

Vote: Having

- I laughed at con's joke.

This is town

[ConManMick]

I'll take
VOTE: Mozamis

[ConManMick]

@CMM What do you think of the people involved right around the time of the fake hammer. (Grey, Ali, LUV). Note that Ali really wasn't apart of it he just happened to unvote to prevent derphammer and then revoted when he got the claim I don't really read that one way or the other since I can understand that reasoning.

I like -Grey- and LUV's play, I reckon for today they are town and I'm not willing to lynch them by any means stretch. As for Ali, all I can say about his play is it's just very... Zero fucks given, or something. Can't sort him. I'd sooner lynch than not for a bit of peace of mind.

[ConManMick]

Sigh. Disappointed with this, but I'll hammer if no one objects to get it over and done with

[ConManMick]

Micro 464 is the scum game I played with BBT if anyone wants to compare play. In fairness, we had a derp lynch handed to us in less than 2 pages.
I swear to god BBT you better not be town because I'm gonna cry

[ConManMick]

BBT do me a favour, view your old posts, find Elemental mafia (open 595), read your own ISO and try to bring some of that energy here

[ConManMick]

Righto. If anyone has any objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I'll give it an hour so y'all can see.

[ConManMick]

L-2 now that you moved your vote. Aight,

L-1

VOTE: BBT[/b] bye dude

[ConManMick]

Woooow I'm a special cookie /alcoholed
VOTE: BBT

[ConManMick]

No to that policy

[ConManMick]

I just want free slurpees man.

I got my JOAT title already and I've been here for a way shorter period then you have.
Git Gud.

I have a custom title, come at me

[ConManMick]

Fancy slot and Moz potentially scum. Fitz and hawk I see town. The others nothing jumps out right now

[ConManMick]

GOOOOOD MOOORNING CAMPERS
No nightkills?

[ConManMick]

I don't get it

[ConManMick]

He's asking was your read on him being scum not associative with BBT being scum, man
And, if it was, does it not make sense that he's less likely, based on your previous stance, to be scum now that BBT has flipped tooooown
Woooaah
But yeah if they're independent reads that's different
But idk maybe it would make more sense what he says
L9oooöôól
/Drunk alittle Jo Jo Jo Deutsch reden bitte

[ConManMick]

I believe you've got that right

[ConManMick]

I'd rather like VOTE: Moz

[ConManMick]

You what

[ConManMick]

... You're not even voting me

[ConManMick]

i voted for you early on, so it feels like that.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

[ConManMick]

Con Man Mick

Spoiler:

Pretty uninteresting posting lately, with the exception of the moz vote. Early game was a little bit better. He just seems disinterested and that’s annoying.

Righto. If anyone has any objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I'll give it an hour so y'all can see.

I also don’t know if Conman was policy lynching Blueblood, or legitimately thought he was scum. There were other instances too where I wasn’t sure what Conman was saying, leaving me sratching my head. Like, I felt like what he was saying had ulterior motives or something. Maybe I'm just crazy. :/

I like the town read on Fitz, and Grey tho. I don’t like, but can understand the scum read on my slot. FP is a sad lurker sack.

Empking

Spoiler:

I don’t understand his town read of ConMan. I don’t understand how he had a town read so strong on Blue Blood that he would consider sheeping him, but basically did nothing to defend/vouch for Blueblood once the cards were down. I didn’t like his push of LUV yesterday, but I could understand it. Now tho it seems the read has been dismissed all together, and there was no closure as to why. He is still going back and forth with LUV, but the tertiary scum read doesn't seem to be there anymore.

Overall there just is a bunch of blanks that Empking never really filled out, and I never saw anything that exuded town motives from him.

Something else interesting is it seems that Empking’s might be upping his content. Over day one (two weeks) he had 17 posts, now he already has 9 posts and D2 has only just started. I’m unsure if there is scum motivation behind this yet (it could just by more irl free time or something), but its certainly a noticeable shift in his posting habits.

[
With regards to lynching BBT, you'll see I was pushing him to actually do something up until this:
quote="In post 714, BlueBloodedToffee"]It's funny how Moz 180d on me. Scum.

CMM, I'm done with this game. I'm now lynch bait - if I don't get lynched now I 100% get lynched in another Day or Two and I'm not putting energy into a game where I can already see what is going to happen.[/quote]

At this point, there's no interest from him to actually continue playing, and he's right, he'd just be lynch bait, so his slot had become, essentially, negative utility and thus I was no longer opposed to lynching this. Essentially, leaving BBT in the game would be obstructing town so I got on the wagon.

[ConManMick]

Oh for fucks sake.

@mod, any chance you could tidy those brackets above to make that a little more legible, please?

[ConManMick]

Like can we all just quickly acknowledge this horseshit and lynch it:

I'd rather like VOTE: Moz

and thanks for the OMGUS!

I mean, let's take a look at my ISO...:

Townwise I'm liking
BBT- play reminds me of old games we had together. Entrance looks good.
Anti - very strong entrance
-Grey- - my vote here was RVS of the best kind, pressure on the slot. I'm glad this wasn't lynched while I was gone because grey took the pressure like a champ and I'm fairly confident in this being town now.
On the question of scum
Moz, Fancy Pants, Alisae would be my reads, Alisae being more of a lean, the others I can see a bit more easily.

Moz's play seems very insincere to me, I'll try pin point why so that this is a little less airy fairy.
In the Anti vs. Fancy majig that went down a while back, it seems like Anti made solid points, whilst fancy's counter arguments were reaching. I didn't like it.

where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?

yeah, havent seen anything massively town yet fromFitz.

Touching on my earlier comments re: Moz - this seemed kind of opportunistic. I had been reading fitz as town, so I guess that sort of tripped me up. His early posts are very much filler, and there's something very buddy-buddy about the style that rankles me. I could lynch this. I'm going to read read fitz too, see if I still stand in the same place on it.

I'll take
VOTE: Mozamis

Fancy slot and Moz potentially scum. Fitz and hawk I see town. The others nothing jumps out right now

Like if you'd called me out on tunnelling then yeah, guilty as charged, but OMGUS? and by your justification I could call your vote on me OMGUS you're full of beans sir.
Lynch this nonsense

[ConManMick]

Because he's a snowman, not a scumman
Unimportant
Lynch Moz

[ConManMick]

I have found BBT to be particularly stubborn and I figured the info would be worthwhile at any rate.

[ConManMick]

Fitz my man you gotta change wagons

[ConManMick]

Talk me (briefly) through your Ali read

[ConManMick]

Someone just hammer Moz and then replacements might turn up overnight

[ConManMick]

VOTE: Moz

[ConManMick]

Sigh
VOTE: Alisae

[ConManMick]

I'll have VOTE: Moz once more

[ConManMick]

Looool

[ConManMick]

I have been shitposting a lot lately because guess what? Scum don't touch you if you shitpost cos it makes you lynch bait. I have also been tunnelling Moz. This is the part that interests me here:
Both Moz and I are still alive after two days of me tunnelling.
Now, if Moz turned up dead, it would look bad on me. But if I turned up dead? Well now that would look really bad for Moz, which scum wouldn't want. I may still be alive because of shitposting, but I also think it's because I've been very publicly pushing scum, and me being NK'd would've proved it. Combine that with that absolutely shite OMGUS attempt to incriminate me, and frankly I can't see why more people don't want to lynch Moz. So come join me on this wagon, this is a good lynch for today.
More incoming very shortly gotta check something.

[ConManMick]

I could also lynch King, and MB you make a good point about that policy lynch, I need to reevaluate. I also kind of feel like I fell for that, disappointed in my play there.
9 players
3 VTs
3 scum
3 MASONS

Might I suggest we narrow down the lynch pool?

[ConManMick]

I have been shitposting a lot lately because guess what? Scum don't touch you if you shitpost cos it makes you lynch bait. I have also been tunnelling Moz. This is the part that interests me here:
Both Moz and I are still alive after two days of me tunnelling.
Now, if Moz turned up dead, it would look bad on me. But if I turned up dead? Well now that would look really bad for Moz, which scum wouldn't want. I may still be alive because of shitposting, but I also think it's because I've been very publicly pushing scum, and me being NK'd would've proved it. Combine that with that absolutely shite OMGUS attempt to incriminate me, and frankly I can't see why more people don't want to lynch Moz. So come join me on this wagon, this is a good lynch for today.
More incoming very shortly gotta check something.

On the contrary.
When I play as scum I want a Town v Town fight to last as long as possible. Look at Shadowrun Mafia or 1800. Those are good examples where Town ate itself alive.
The fact you are not hunting and just screaming a player is scum over and over again and not interacting with almost half the player base and are pitching a world where not scumhunting makes you Town is sickening.
I do not trust you and if you want to have people think moz is scum you are going to need to explain why.
And you being alive isn't an answer.

Fair point, actually. I'll have a look at this again at a more reasonable hour.

[ConManMick]

6 Nations starts today man, otherwise preoccupied

[ConManMick]

I had fitz sorted town in my head for something day 1 and kind of forgot about him then, but I've been led to the wagon twice in a row and both were basically PL's... You're right MB, gotta rethink that one.
I like MB's play and afaik I was looking that slot beforehand so I'm confident that's town

[ConManMick]

So uh, how is Moz not lynched?

Also I'm feeling good about fitz town now tbh

Because lynching Moz is lazy and lets people not state reads. If after you analyze every player you come back and say "Moz is scum because blah blah blah" then we have a discussion on our hands (assuming blah blah blah is actual reasons of course) But why do you think there are so many mislynches? Because we keep doing shit like not playing mafia having a few votes lurk around and complain why no lynch yet? That is the same thing that happened with Alisae.

CMM and Snowman reads. Now.

Catching up but could lynch in fitz, king, maybe still Moz.

[ConManMick]

FoS means what again

[ConManMick]

They're not scum with Uzi

[ConManMick]

Is fitz L-1 too, now?

[ConManMick]

LOL an experienced mafia player

[ConManMick]

Listen giga
I would like
Sooooooo many things
For example, for this "scotch" to taste like scotch
But when you ask me, would I like fitz to also be at L-1?
Well
I guess I would like to know
To be sure to be sure
Is azure a greeny blue or a blue green
Does it have anything to do with green
I think I could go with either of the lead wagons tbh


HEY LEMME POST

[ConManMick]

Aww stop
I have learned my lesson about buying spirits in airports that are not the country of origin
Bleh
Ruined it

I neeeeeeed some Teeling with feeling
I need to not D hammer
I need to tell theod that yes, six Nations supporting Ireland and what a disappointing showing against Scotland
Scotland came out to play rugby, and Ireland were just sort of on the pitch at the same time

[ConManMick]

WIFOOOOOOOOM
NO HAMMER TINE WHEN HANNERSD

[ConManMick]

chu know what
VOTE: bed

[ConManMick]

Who won?

[ConManMick]

I was a one shot bullet proof giga trihexadonal town aligned potato launching whiskey slinging double decker reflector array jack o lantern vigilante double mocha paranoid cop

[ConManMick]

I was 10^9 trihexadonal

Woop Woop hon town