Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[Vecna]

Problem is....if we do give giga the Jack of spades we can be quite sure that he will never live to use it. Scum is going to have two factional kills to use before it will be of use to us.

I think giving the 3 of clubs to one of the towny players is probably by far the best idea. If someone has the 9 of hearts we'll know the number of cards for all suits remaining in the deck and we can flush out any lies when it comes to card claims.

[davesaz]

Only one factional kill per day/night sequence. Rigging during night pushes the other spade to night btw. The Js would need to be revived to highest draft order townie holding a heart if we wanted to rig hearts for next day.
Reviving the 3c doesn't make it active because we don't have a club coming...

[davesaz]

EBWOP - doesn't need to be highest order if we only revive 1 of them...

[Vecna]

reviving the 3c does make it active tomorrow during the day....when the 3-s comes. I dont mean to put the 3-c as trump since they would be useless, but just to use the inventory ability to gain full knowledge of what the deck holds.

And the deck rigging would be done tomorrow night, so that the 2's are trumps for the day. Meaning scum does indeed have 2 factional kills before that can happen.

[Quipla]

DECK x 34 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 26

DAY 5 VOTECOUNT #5

McMenno (6)

- -Grey-, drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert, gigabyteTroubadour, SpyreX, McMenno

Dunnstral (2)

- Mathblade, gerryoat

Mathblade (1)

- Dunnstral

Not Voting (6)

- Fishythefish, davesaz, Kison, Maxous, Vecna, TheWayItEnds

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2017-01-16 22:09:40).

[Fishythefish]

Vecna lives! That's a pleasant surprise.

My first thoughts:

1) With Spyrex's vig coming up, we shouldn't lynch him. If we double mislynch today, we shuffle the deck tonight and pray for no spades. If not, we don't shuffle. Either way, Spyrex shoots Mathblade tonight (the other bad spader, and not unlikely scum. We can direct this; there are no active docs tonight). This takes a risk of instaloss tomorrow. But if our first three scumpicks are all wrong, we're pretty much screwed without any silly spades mechanics.
2) Rigging something on N6 is quite attractive. Avoids a spade on D7. So I like reviving the JoS. Preferably to a likely townie but not a likely kill. I'd say avoid {giga, Fishy, Vecna}, but otherwise pick your towniest read.
3) The other revive being the 3 of clubs sounds good to me (we have two revivers, though one is hidden).
4) It's more important to get the Jack right than the 3. So I say Dunn revives the Jack, and the hidden reviver takes the 3.

[Maxous]

SpyreX could rub his scum kill disabler on night 6.
It would require keeping MathBlade alive until then though

[Maxous]

Rig*

[Fishythefish]

Hmmm. Could do. But the two of spades isn't a good rig:
- We have to keep Mathblade alive.
- Mathblade would be hated and beloved on day 7, and spyrex would still be double-hated.
- By shooting twos of diamonds, giga would die.
I'll think more about the details of how numbers line up with hated/double-hated players.

[Dunnstral]

We're not keeping mathblade alive

[Fishythefish]

I think I still want massclaim of initially drafted cards, and not actions.

Worst thing about it is that we might out a card cop or two. But really, they aren't that important. OTOH, pinning scum into fakeclaims now, before they know exactly what we can and can't prove, seems a great idea. Suspicious claims might well guide Inventory actions.

At least, I think all of the following people should claim:
- LUV
- TWIE
- Kison
- gerryoat
In a game like this, I think "massclaim of the scummy" seems a perfectly good move.

[Fishythefish]

I mean, I can't think of a single thing any of those people could claim that would make me regret forcing them to claim. There just isn't enough power in the deck to make them me care if scum kills them.

[Maxous]

maybe everybody should just massclaim

just from the bottom all the way to the top

> we should lock in claims

before

the inventory check
> it's not as if scum are stuck for people to kill
> we can have better quality discussions about this revive without beating around the bush

[Fishythefish]

Would be FBM, (though I'd prefer "scummiest to towniest" [giga can pick] than "bottom to top"; high drafted players find lying just as difficult as low drafted players, AFAIC).

Vecna

is probably the biggest anti-claim person around - thoughts?

[SpyreX]

So wait theres a plan that makes me not lose the game and i get to shoot someone?
I like that

[davesaz]

Consider reviving both Js in case one of the recipients still gets killed, as long as we have two semi-conf to revive to?
The other deck rigging card (3c?) is useful only if it comes up trumps eventually.
I'm fine with either plan, just wanted to bring up the insurance plan aspect of reviving both.

Also don't forget that the revive target needs a card to rig with that gives us a good day trump. That probably increases the benefit of massclaim enough to push it over the top, but I'm open to opinions against it.

[Fishythefish]

3c isn't the deck rigger - the interesting thing about it is its inventory power, which is coming up in the deck.

Double JoS could also work. Agreed that targeting a jack revive is another reason for mass claim. Either way, the revive target(s) shouldn't be claimed.

[gerryoat]

I think I still want massclaim of initially drafted cards, and not actions.

Worst thing about it is that we might out a card cop or two. But really, they aren't that important. OTOH, pinning scum into fakeclaims now, before they know exactly what we can and can't prove, seems a great idea. Suspicious claims might well guide Inventory actions.

At least, I think all of the following people should claim:
- LUV
- TWIE
- Kison
- gerryoat
In a game like this, I think "massclaim of the scummy" seems a perfectly good move.

I already claimed that i'm in diamonds neighborhood. tf else you want

[drealmerz7]

your recipe for pb cookies

GIVE IT OVERERRRR

[SpyreX]

Do it right - bottom up full card claims. At start and now? At start for sure

[TheWayItEnds]

you guys want me to start MC?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: I'll be v/LA until the 13th.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you guys want me to start MC?

yes, last in draft should claim first for sure

reminder that double jack-of-spades reviving isn't going to work out since only one can actually work at a time

[MathBlade]

This is bullshit.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Mathblade