Newbie 1769: Happy New Year! (Post-Game)

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If Cass was scum, I'm pretty sure I'd have been a priority nk simply because of our d1 interactions.

but you layed off of her

i'm going to see how genuine i think the interaction is once i can reread

If you were scum and I came after you the way I went after Cass d1, would you leave me alive and simply hope I didn't get another hair up my ass?

idk. they did that with me no problem. and rc. i mean, it would not hard to realize cass is a dangerously easy lynch this game. in fact, she would be such an easy mislynch if it weren't for tb and mbg

All the more reason to NK the one person that showed a desire and willingness to push her wagon.

yeah i guess rc and schadd_ are chopped liver after all

and me if rc didnt quickhammer but hey thats a discussion for postgame

Nobody went after Cass half as hard as I did, so yeah they're chopped liver.

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you're saying that though like a cassie wagon would have been a permanent vanity wagon

No I'm not. Wtf are you smoking?

I damned near push Cass into a nervous breakdown. No fucking way she leaves me alive as scum when she knows I can turn around and come after her like a rabid dog.

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you're saying that though like a cassie wagon would have been a permanent vanity wagon

No I'm not. Wtf are you smoking?

I damned near push Cass into a nervous breakdown. No fucking way she leaves me alive as scum when she knows I can turn around and come after her like a rabid dog.

she'd still have to wait until N2

and if rc is her partner apparently they shoot creature no matter what

i assume you still townread me??

and schadd_ and cassielle as a team is... lol...

Eh, I forgot Rask claimed d1, so there is that.

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Uhhh

So that leaves cass/Grey.

yeah that's my first pick atm

Lol, you guys are saying 772 was theatre? That was probably the first scumteam I ruled out and I'm not making the same mistake as I did with matt again.

Hmmmmm I hope both of you have a really good explanation for exactly why it's fake.

Or I guess you might have overlooked it to string a team together? Mmm that makes sense too, we don't all have the same wincon after all

QFT

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Giggles/schadd might be a thing.

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Grey I don't like the sudden turn of public opinion against you, it feels reminiscent of what happened to creature where people used his playstyle against him

that said there are 4 other players than you and I'm not sure your pick atm is the right 2

how confident are you on your SRs?

If I was confident, you'd know.

I think you'd know that you'd know.

At this point, I'm looking more for who makes sense as a scum partner than who makes sense as scum, because looking for who made sense as scum has gotten us nowhere.

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HURT: schadd
HEAL: cass

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actually no nling would just be better

How does that make any sense?

It's not like the NK would tell us anything.

You want to know who scum kills tonight? Rask. Mystery solved. Pretend it happened.

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This probably doesn't mean anything to you since you haven't lost to scum!RC yet but if I were scum you would be townreading me here.

you do recognize that scum would have every reason to say this too right, if they knew (as they should) that i ignore meta?

Eh. He does have that scummy for a reason.

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Greys town, I could maybe be sold on cass though if she's a very good actor.

@everyone

why should or shouldn't we lynch cass?

Who makes sense as her partner, Rask?

I can't put her together with anyone.

Schadd I can see as being scum with either RC or Giga.

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grey why not rc/cassielle

Read RC's ISO.

READ IT!

Look at all the times he talks about Cass.

You can say it's town talking about town. You can say it's scum talking about town.

But it makes no sense as scum talking about scum.

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Man why do the people I townread the most seem to ignore me

If I hadn't answered, she'd have used that as an excuse to suspect me, saying I made a statement I couldn't support.

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It's just frustrating the people I want the most from I get the least from

Tell me what you want, what you really, really want.

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Creature, I'm coming for that toothbrush!

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Creature, I'm coming for that toothbrush!

excuse me but communists are the good guys you fuckign capitalist PIG

Why are you making assumptions about my beliefs?

You must be Scum!

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Lel

You guys will never find my partner. She's going to bring it home for us.

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rc has had a female avatar for maybe 88% of the game, gbt accepts "she" for esl. i'm a detective

Your avatar looks like a close up of a used maxi.

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rc has had a female avatar for maybe 88% of the game, gbt accepts "she" for esl. i'm a detective

Your avatar looks like a close up of a used maxi.

so does your role pm, cunt

Yup, no shock value.

Sorry!

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yeah -grey- schadd doesnt hold up. gbT

That was no easy task, let me tell you!

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I had a newbie during daytalk where we posted more in daytalk during D3 than posts that happened in the actual thread

If you really want to fuck with people, leave Rask alive one more night.

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schadd_ how do you feel about a grey/gbT pairing? im not seeing any reason not to treat that as the true scumteam from where im at

gbt townread gayreen where i didn't at all, plus it would make a lot of sense since they were doing that with all the newbies

Brilliant post.

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schadd_ if you feel ballsy we can hammertest both me AND rc tomorrow

That's a great plan.

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Man I was asking about the gayreen read SO MUCH d1 and everyone was like OH YEAH ITS FINE CMON STOP WORRYING

#scumposting

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Giga is totally town, you guys.

Lynch RC, then cass.

Whatever you do, never lynch schadd.

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ugh

im not getting mled in MyLo

make with the intensive interrogation RC, i will not lose town this game

if it isnt gbT/-grey- its schadd_/-grey- im 100% certain

God, those are terrible reads.

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Guys I'm pretty sure I figured out the scum slot.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I am 1-shot bP.

(i was hoping RC comes in voting for me so i use this pic but lol now's a good time as any)

Right? Obvious scum tactic.

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oh, also, cass/grey is the only team where grey does the kill

Changed my mind.

Cass is town.

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Guys I'm pretty sure I figured out the scum slot.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I am 1-shot bP.

(i was hoping RC comes in voting for me so i use this pic but lol now's a good time as any)

Right? Obvious scum tactic.

my scum play is excellent dont insinuate otherwise!!!

I'm not. I'm saying RC claiming BP is a scum tactic here.

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i dont understand why -grey- wouldnt do the kill if im on the team? because im not scum but

why? the reasoning makes no sense to me

you claimed VT D2

if rask tracked you N1 or at any point it's gg

Why would she claim VT d2 if she did the kill n1?

She could have fake claimed doctor and won against a CC.

Clearly, Cass is town.

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Don't mislynch Cass, you guyz.

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i really really fucking wish i could argue with that. damnit -grey- youre such an ass man

<3

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ugh, well rc already scumreads me, itd REALLY help if i could shut that down lol

If you NK him tonight, he can't lynch you tomorrow.

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regardless of ur align cassie i thought your play was pretty solid

She is the best partner a guy could ask for.

I felt so bad about making her cry.

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also lol at the tb lynch being all-town if it's cassie

My strongest townread right hyurrr

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^ town posting ^

You're townier than I am!

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well yeah my role pm is green buddy-o

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yo

what if grey and his partner shot creature because they read him as a vt and planned on "ccing" me??

That's totally what happened!

It's like you have access to our PT!

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yo

what if grey and his partner shot creature because they read him as a vt and planned on "ccing" me??

That's totally what happened!

It's like you have access to our PT!

i love being a mafia traitor

Why do they call it a mafia traitor when the faction being betrayed is town?

Shouldn't it be a town traitor?

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no but like if that was the plan and rask didnt get a guilty then i think scum wins

grey vs. me

i'd get lynched probably

Yep. That was the plan.

Giggles is confirmed town, everyone!

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ok, i dont really have any way to argue in favor of myself atm like this, because no ones putting forward any arguments now

the best i got is, gbT makes more sense. -grey- was on a lynch wagon of mine d2 as well because i ... voted rc for the exact reasons i got on -grey-'s case about on d1

that wagon looked sure to go through too. greys vote stayed there until rc vs -grey-, and then went back to me until mbg lost his mind, and the best i could do was try my best to be helpful to town before the hammer dropped. so you have to believe that -grey- would bus me, and idk, maybe he would, and also that scum!me would give up on defense and focus on helping town (which i have no clue if thats the case or not)

How can you not townread this post?

It's fucking art.

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another way to look at it -- if i can be scum, schadd_ can be scum

Now schadd is obviously town, Cass.

He came in here swinging at me today. He knew I was Scum. He got me dead to rights.

That dude will win the game for town.

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zzzzz i couldn't sleep

anyways my track for yesterday was on gigabyte, she didn't go anywhere

but in retrospect I did give off an aura of being paranoid about her towards the end of d1 so I wasnt surprised either, it's likely she noticed my kind of paranoia there and acted accordingly. basically that result didn't help very much

I knew you didn't have a guilty on me, but it's fucking stupid to argue with confirmed town about their results so I decided to ham it up and laugh at you post-game for lying.

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ok heres something interesting

grey has voted every slot (ftr he never voted me again after moving his vote to rc, my bad there) currently alive

EXCEPT

gbT

feel free to check

That doesn't mean anything.

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to clarify i have not referred to an ongoing game in anyway

If you're not referring to ongoing, link the game you're referring to

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ahaha because this might not be that clear

grey was my track for today i.e. n2, guilty

gigabyte was my track n1, visited no one

You should lynch RC tomorrow.

Then schadd.

Then one of {Cass/Giggles}

That guarantees a win.

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ahh sorry.

well, while youre here, can you bring some arguments against me so i can NOT get MLed, and so i can NOT lose this game for town?

Don't worry, you will never be mislynched.

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Literally the only scumhunting I'm doing right now is reading Grey's posts and I don't want to say anything about my interpretation because it'll influence how he posts.

Towniest post in the game.

Never lynch this.

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I was talking to Raskol.

wtf why do you ask so much this game about my read on you tho?? what does that accomplish?

What's your read on my slot?

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ugh.

i dont have any arguments left to give then.

IF you are considering me, then ALSO consider schadd_ -- we both were in similar positions with grey's slot throughout the game

gbT was in a unique position wrt -grey-'s slot. gbT is the standout. this can be independently verified

thats all i have.

Giggles is town.

Why would I as scum publicly tie myself to her as scum?

Use your noodle.

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ugh.

i dont have any arguments left to give then.

See this?

Scum would never just resign themselves to bring scumread like this. Especially the last member of the team.

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laughing my lmao ass off

Laughing your laughing your ass off ass off?

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laughing my lmao ass off

Laughing your laughing your ass off ass off?

what the wtf the fuck is ur problem

Luv Joo Giggles.

Reread post 27 in our PT, I left you a hidden message.

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Oh yeah right, I forgot.

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i dont know why i even started it's just been a Thing for years

If you don't have access, how did you know to capitalize Thing in response?!

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See this, people?

Giggles would never carry on with me like this if we were scum together after I was outed.

She's confirmed town.

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No, no... you're on the wrong track Rask.

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cass is confirmed town if you know anything about my play at all.

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tonally i still can see town!cass but schadd_ is just obvtown af

Hang onto those reads!

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i dont want to hammer test tomorrow

we're definitely nling

Don't do that.

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rc is really, really town, do not hammertest rc ffs

do not hammertest period even

It's the best strategy.

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i was thinking we double nl?

wouldnt want to accidentally kill town in LYLO when it really counts!

Triple NL would be safer.

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btw unless you take being tracked as a clear this is the first time i'm not basically confirmed town by endgame in a town game

If these clowns had any brains at all, they'd consider you confirmed town.

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Pop Quiz!

Am I using reverse psychology, reverse-reverse psychology, or am I going next level and using reverse-reverse-reverse psychology?

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If Rask is left alive, his townreads are WRONG.

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Cass, what is your read of me now?

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Nope!

I'm Jester.

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I am pretty sure I have solved this game at this point.

I am pretty sure you solved the game d1.

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that implies we changed who was doing the kills though which is suicide in this set-up

You know I did the heavy lifting so you wouldn't have to get your hands dirty, boo.

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if it's grey/giga I'm going to be salty af because that was my secret n1/d2 pick

Giga is town AF.

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:)

grey i hate you

That ain't what you said last night!

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Hey, nobody is perfect.

Sickness and health, remember?

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i can at least point to things i think clear me but i've been over them multiple times so

Relax, I tired myself to you way too hard for anyone to seriously consider you as my partner.

You got this in the bag.

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I'd have never let Cass get lynched.

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which is...?

I'd have never let Cass get lynched.

It's true, read my posts today before the guilty.

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im gonna give it a few minutes then im heading to bed

if you guys want anything from me let me know asap

I told you so.

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Lol... one scum caught and he's already talking about losing in LyLo.

There's your lynch, folks.

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being perfectly honest, after -grey- let up on me i was determined to NOT read that slot. that was not fun for me and i didnt want to be put in a position of scumreading him and getting another face full of angry

I actually felt terrible about that after the fact.

That's why I spent all night apologizing in the scum PT.

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in the future im just gonna scumread anyone who gets ultra aggressive when i scumread them, to prevent exactly this.

That's a mistake.

It isn't what someone does, but why. Town can get pissed off too.

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gbT sheep -grey- on d2 start?

???

bwuh

also im pretty sure i called grey's tr on me slimey several times d2 that's a pretty substantial scumread outed??

honestly im not even sure what your point is

none of the things you push ever seem alignment indicative

like i clearly had no stances early d2 because of rl stuff, townread every slot, and didnt get the chance to re-evaluate

Boss defense, bae.

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I foresee a. 3-man LyLo between Giga, Cass, and schadd.

When that happens, I'm gonna bust out laughing in the dead thread because that means we got this game on lockdown.

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Yeah seriously.

Find scum, lynch scum.

Kill me now and end the madness so town can get back to being productive.

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Are you?

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Quite welcome.

Try not to get NK'ed bruh. You're too obvtown to live long as it stands.

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That you did.

It was so out of left field, too!

Way to go schadd, I'm impressed!

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Town should just lynch you both for being too smart to be town.

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Hey... that's just mean.

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Totally do that.

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...but i agree with the likely results. yes, track rc.

Now isn't that an interesting thing to say?

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Giga is town guyz.

Gtfo.

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I am literally the worst track because the only way I could see someone not NKing raskol is if they wanted me out of the picture.

Lying Scum.

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I think Grey not bussing is sufficiently well known that if you guys are friends he would expect you to know about it. Not sure if he would expect me to know since I only remember seeing scum!house once.

I've read some House games since people keep mentioning him.

Dude bussed more than Greyhound.

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Innnnnnnteresting.

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does -grey- buddy people? is -grey-/cass actually reasonable as -grey- manipulating and/or tying himself to cass rather than just being partners?

d1/d2 and d3 before I outed my results, not anything after

I think it's a fairly NAI comment for me to admit that I'm probably one of the least friendly people on the site.

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Don't get me wrong, there are some that make me look like Mr. Rogers... but I'm up there.

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i mean he tends to buddy me/passively townread me as scum like he did here so i would say yeah that's not unreasonable

I'm gonna be real with you here, Giggles.

I always townread you. It's a weakness of mine to have difficulty separating my personal opinion of a person with my read on their alignment.

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How often does he straight up ignore partners as opposed to townreading them?

It's situational. I also ignore people that annoy me as town, until I go Leroy Jenkins on their ass.

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i mean he tends to buddy me/passively townread me as scum like he did here so i would say yeah that's not unreasonable

I'm gonna be real with you here, Giggles.

I always townread you. It's a weakness of mine to have difficulty separating my personal opinion of a person with my read on their alignment.

aww~

well not

always

but

your reads on me as scum are always weak

Well yeah, because I'm having to fight the innate urge to townread you for no reasonable reason, lol.

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Yes, Cass backed down because of my thunderous aggression.

It wasn't staged at all.

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Shhhh bro, it's going exactly as planned.

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But if you alter the plan any further, they'll figure out you're my partner.

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Hmm I'm probably gonna track RC tho

keke

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Your schadd's a sad.

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Lynch RC tomorrow.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69882&start=825
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69882&start=850

hmm

Amazing posts, no?

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VOTE: schadd_

Should be L-2 counting -Grey- and cassielle's votes. If you also voted but I missed your vote, that'd be good to tell.

Silly Creature.

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Cass could never fake that as Scum.

She's basically confirmed town.

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I should probably ask before bussing.

But if I did, it wouldn't come as such a shock.

What a puzzle.

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I've had people try to get me modkilled for 'playing against my win-condition.'

Too bad for them there's a perfectly valid WIFOM defense.

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Town had all those experienced players and let us newbscum win.

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I told you guys to lynch RC.

Can't say I didn't try to help.

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Town had all those experienced players and let us newbscum win.

I know right I had one whole month of experience!

I'm referring to the three SE's and the IC.

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Lies and FALSEHOODS!

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Creature was a fricking thorn in my side.

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scum earned their win. no question on my end.

I truly am sorry for upsetting you the way I did.

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RC has a write-up posted in the Mafia thread.

It's a good read.

Thanks for hosting as always, Aero. You're an awesome mod. Great job, town. Cass caught me out early. My reaction was that of panicked scum, lol.

Thanks for the carry, RC. You saved the day when I derped the NK... bit too be fair I stand by my logic that if you had been tracked to the kill that I wouldn't have survived LyLo.

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It was totally boring.

Old men playing checkers.

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RC has a write-up posted in the Mafia thread.

It's a good read.

10 scumbucks says it's just "l000000000l"

I accept PayPal.

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Thanks for the carry, RC. You saved the day when I derped the NK... bit too be fair I stand by my logic that if you had been tracked to the kill that I wouldn't have survived LyLo.

How did you derp? I think you making the kill was the right choice regardless who was tracked.

RC wanted to kill Creature but I told him I should because he has the skills to go deep.

If he had been tracked, we'd have lost for sure.

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you're an alt i think

There you go thinking again.

What has that ever gotten you?

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RC wanted to kill Creature but I told him I should because he has the skills to go deep.

If he had been tracked, we'd have lost for sure.

I don't see how this explains how you derped though. It was still the right call.

He was right. No arguing the facts.

If he had performed the kill, the game would have been over a day earlier.

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I am fine with scum topic being released.

I'm good with it.

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Can't imagine why...