Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Littel Uzinomical Vertical

Hey LUV

Indigo I'll find out who you are eventually

[Gamma Emerald]

Also hi nacho, prism, and tammy

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm gonna do RQS this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm think a mass claim might break this game.
Am I wrong?

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted to do rqs since I wasn't really feeling rvs

[Gamma Emerald]

1) What roles do you like or dislike?
2) What type of player are you?
3) Who here would you proxy your vote to if they are town?
my answers
1) I like Jailkeepers. I do not like Bus Drivers or Traitors.
2) I have a habit of finding at least one scum early, so I tend to put a lot of focus onto making solid reads early.
3) I'm not sure, I'm not super familiar with this table, but Tammy and the Nacho head of Reflektor seem like great town players.

[Gamma Emerald]

So apparently KBW treats Doctor like BG.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know that

[Gamma Emerald]

Doc on em is the same
BG is different tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm gonna do RQS this game

IOW

I'm scum and don't know how to pretend to hunt, so I think I'll use RQS to give me something else to talk about.

Yeah you're shit at reading me

[Gamma Emerald]

My reason for scumreading Tammy was wrong.

VOTE: BBMolla

Don't like BBmolla's defense of Tammy in #128. Next vote would probably be Medea or someone with only one post. I haven't slept in nearly 48 hours so I'll tackle page 5 in the morning.

Why medea or a person with one post?

[Gamma Emerald]

more LUV votes? why are we interrogating Tammy who's probably town

My reason for scumreading Tammy was wrong.

VOTE: BBMolla

Don't like BBmolla's defense of Tammy in #128. Next vote would probably be Medea or someone with only one post. I haven't slept in nearly 48 hours so I'll tackle page 5 in the morning.

What didn't you like about BB's defense?

Looking at this there's not much to it, looks like Reflektor is making something out of nothing.
VOTE: Reflektor

[Gamma Emerald]

Every post AJ has made are my reasons

Ew. This is probably scum as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not penguin so I'm skipping all the Tammy questions, unless some of them were directed at me. I imagine it does change things that Tammy's posts were made form the point of view of all investigative roles being one-shots. That WOULD be desperate times.

What does it change?

The only thing it changes in my mind is that if we make it to day three we might not be in terrible shape, but that was also before it was pointed out that gunsmith's actually can give false positives. So, yay we have a cop we can't trust and a gunsmith we could use results to mislynch with. Woo.

Whether or not they're one-shot, we can still lose the game on day two.

(And yeah, I had that melt down privately about the day vig was just gonna shut up about the sky is falling bit.)

We can trust the cop pretty reliably; there's a godfather concern, but that can go out of the window by killing/lynching the godfather (and we have a lot of tools to kill him), whereas the gunsmith having the ability to give out guns/get perfectly reliable townreads is still a strong role; I don't think false positives hurt the role much at all if we play it right.

Yeah, tbh the GS is basically a boosted Neap in this situation, as no scum role can give a negative, but town roles can.

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking at this there's not much to it, looks like Reflektor is making something out of nothing.
VOTE: Reflektor

Hi Gamma.
I've said more things than just that - do you mind commenting on them?

Anything in particular?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah you're shit at reading me

I don't really agree with the RQS thing but you do seem a bit quieter than usual; is there any particular reason for it?

School is starting again, so usage is dropping as I have to focus on my schoolwork.
Also I assume this is Prism head talking here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anything in particular?

Commenting on LUV suspicions would be a nice start.
I just think that your thought process approaching me was a bit weird. You come into the game, you see us making a vote that you don't really like because it doesn't seem well reasoned, you decide to vote us because we made a vote that doesn't seem well reasoned, and then you get pedited by a big wall talking about a number of things and you don't decide to address any of them? Is our vote on BBMolla really the scummiest thing in thread right now?

Note I DID address your wall when I got to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Still Cabd.

I'm letting Penguin live her own mafia life; Tammy. It's not my place to get in between you and her; and I have no designs on yelling at you; and turning this thread into a slag heap of emotions. You won't have to worry about our slot for long anyways.

I don't think scum has daytalk (KBW is very oldschool from a brief mod meta flipthru); Persivul gets town points for noticing the crossover though. It is possible that the thread was open during the confirmation stage; so theory less likely but not impossible.

Yeah
Scum usually has pregame talk

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Fate needs to start playing mafia.

Randomidget too. He was on site yesterday but didn't bother posting here.

pfft totes didnt forget i was in this game dont be ridiculous

scum is fate, indigo, reflektor and shadonra

VOTE: fate

Are these gut reads or what?

[Gamma Emerald]

So a hypo claim?
We need to make sure everyone (or at least a large pool) participates, and doesn't just do low effort hypos (like only giving on form of result per investigation).
I've also been told claiming hypo guilties is apparently bad. Is that true?

[Gamma Emerald]

So Persivul lets talk.

You were voting Alien,

An RVS vote.

now you're voting me for what I know to be pretty shallow reasons.

Yes. All the reasons for voting are fairly shallow at this point of the game. Your reasons for voting AJ were shallow. Your initial reason for voting Medea didn't even amount to shallow, and your reasoning given after you saw a wagon build was shallow. I could also vote Gamma, and the reasons for that would likewise be fairly shallow. You're a better choice as there was a wagon on you, and as we see the wagon got you participating. I'm also a fan of D1 wagons for analysis later in the game after some flips.

I am obviously concerned with the reads other people have, but they do not guide my reads if thats how it came across.

I was noting that my reads coincided with others.

And I find that bolded part scummy. Yes, I privately check my reads against those of others I town read, but: it's early D1 so there's not basis for solid town reads; and, I don't see the town motivation to announce that my reads agree with others. Scum, OTOH, are more concerned about appearing to fit in.

What's with the throwaway mention of me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hypo-claiming is optimal play in the format that camn described in this one GD thread. I don't understand what you have against it Empking?

I'm not archive trawling for that thing
link/quote it

[Gamma Emerald]

Also gunsmith should not give a gun unless they KNOW the target choice is town. We do NOT want scum to get a gun.
Although, I remember on epicmafia GS would test for scum by asking whether a player was gunned or not, and scum would sometimes lie about not having a gun.
Maybe we should have thr GS give out guns, but only have the recipients shoot confirmed guilties.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BBmolla

I mean honestly you couldn't ask for a more useless vote than dropping one on indigo. Wants LuV wagon, gets two generic townreads, moves on to Fate. He even says Uzi's posts aren't good. Which, going by his last post

In all honesty I'm not voting for pressure any more im just voting who I think is most likely scum

He should still be voting LuV as he's said nothing about Fate anyways.

Also he actually took part in RQS so fuck him.

well fuck you too
also

V/LA until tuesday

Medea gives me town vibes btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean Tammy/AJ are universally town read

Lol at trying to throw AJ in as an universal townread.

what about Tammy tjho

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

hrmmm

well at least the vig didn't shoot him lol

not sure how you can be certain about this
but whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh what?
Grey do you have any specific reasons?
And I'll catchup soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

I am onto something Grey. I got a strong "Cop" vibe from Empking so I left him alone yesterday, but now hes a quality player who skated by all of D1 and did nothing to try to dismantle the "Fate wagon that had bad vibes" etc.

I'll be sure to take a looksie

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod said dayvig shots end the day, so there's no point dictating the shot as a group

Holy shit, they did?

[Gamma Emerald]

As a gunsmith, I got Reflektor innocent.

[Gamma Emerald]

goddammit Prism I see you're quite sarcastic today

[Gamma Emerald]

It's hypo, but to answer your question there are no false innocents with GS. The mod had stated this while I was still participating Day 1.

[Gamma Emerald]

In my experience, scum, who know the alignments, are less likely to have thoroughly read the setup than town. Further, while setup spec can be beneficial, it can also be used as a way to appear busy without really scum hunting.

This is disingenuous shade slinging.

Nobody knows alignments pregame, which is when reading the description whilst signing up... happens.

FoS: Persivul

I think given his modding experience *cough* The Purge *cough*, he is being genuine.

Being genuine isn't really a full sign of being town. I played a 3p game on another site where I played honestly.
Is the genuinity towny?

[Gamma Emerald]

Imagine a commet heading towards earth. Some people scream and run around. Some stay deathly still. One guy is tring to calm people don and he's a doctor of physics. Another one is also being calm and interacting with the others an is uper-reasonable. THe film follows this guy. At the end, however, it is shown that, in a twist,he is an alien controlling the meteorite with his mind. Hopefuilly, that clears it up.

WTF?

MMMM wtf is Emp saying

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't get emp's logic at all
Why is being "reasonably rational" scummy?
And YES I used that term.

[Gamma Emerald]

Beariong in mind that you have been in a game where i played very similarly to this, it seems realy like you are going after low hanging fruit

Do you always consider yourself low hanging fruit?

......

[Gamma Emerald]

Since we're talking about town players acting as scum: That would be the vig shooting if we mislynch today, period. Same for the gunsmith giving a gun, period.

Yes, this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Especially the gun giving
The private shot is bad: scum could shoot the GS in private and not get caught
I don't think giving people guns is a good idea at all rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey, gamma, random

Grey: As said before; grey was clearly closely reading my posts (he went so far as to comment on a typo/grammar error in one of them) and made the most obvious lead up into voting us ever. He's scum who went looking for a good reason to join the wagon on us; not town who was looking for scum. His answer when called out is "I dunno what to say so I'll be witty lel guyz amirite" Our scum read on the slot prior to his replace in is noted in our prior posts. Shout out to post 154 which is a REALLY awkward way to unvote a RVS vote; it's like he feels the urge to have a reason in case he gets called out for it later.

Gamma: RQS when already in RVS has no real town benefit and shits up the thread. I'm not quite sure where the townread of us in 329 comes from; it's like he randomly decided to be contrarian. This read is definitely weaker than the grey one though.

Random: Several other people have covered why random is a worthy wagon; but let me summarize my thoughts. Early votes Fate on gut; backs off when he gets pushback; hops BACK on when wagoned and tries to dirty townreads on fate.

I understand the thoughts on my read on you
You seem to have a town tone and motivations

[Gamma Emerald]

All I know is concurring is literally defined as agreeing.

Put on your fucking big boy pants and read some supreme court opinions, dipshït.

I swear if this continues I'm going to flip

[Gamma Emerald]

K so this setup has gone form "inheritly scumsided" to "lol wtf free mafia win unless town is gods among gods"

I will literally WOTC anyone for the rest of my mafia career if they shoot in this setup, period. ever.

To be fair, this setup is designed for D1 mislynch...that we do need vig to shoot.

Although shoot in N2, not N1.

?

[Gamma Emerald]

My read lessened on LuV when it became clear it might be a meta issue

I've seen him play better as town.
Prism's seen him play better as scum.
I've been waiting for LUV to step up and become himself again but we have a limited amount of time and a limited amount of bropasses and I'm not really interested in letting him live until he shows some tiny spark of interest.

I'm gonna take a stab at what this refers to
Nacho - Mini 1854
Prism - Mini 1838
Am I right here?

[Gamma Emerald]

All I know is concurring is literally defined as agreeing.

Put on your fucking big boy pants and read some supreme court opinions, dipshït.

I swear if this continues I'm going to flip

AJ is dead. You can stop pretending.

I know that, I mean in what already exists.

[Gamma Emerald]

you know if you switch BBMolla and shadonra I'd totally kill the top half of the playerlist and give the bottom half a day

Huh?
Also I'm going to note this for later.

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted random to produce content thats all.

been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies

VOTE: Medea

which townies

[Gamma Emerald]

prob going to be stopping for 2nite soon

[Gamma Emerald]

You've made a lot of posts without actually saying anything substantial.

At that time I thought BBmolla was townie and he called me out for a bs Random vote and also Reflektor, I don't remember off the top of my head tho

I've been putting notes into Excel though: reads and possible influences on future content and reads
So that might be why

[Gamma Emerald]

No one gets a gun, EVER

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted random to produce content thats all.

been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies

VOTE: Medea

With that vote, I'm going to play the classic flip-flop town

UNVOTE:

????
I have no clue what to make of this post

[Gamma Emerald]

(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).

I think it more had to do with how a 4-man team would behave.
I think they would try to act as a unit while simultaneously attempting to distance, maybe disagreeing on small things
I've been part of a 4-man team before, but the thing is it was a no-town game so I'm not sure how to compare that to what I might see here.

[Gamma Emerald]

(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).

We are a little bit desperate at this point.

Vig and GS really should consider shooting and gunning

Vig should shoot for more info.

GS should gun for a clear in potentialy D2 lylo.

AIGH Realeo is giving me so many pings but my mind wants to say town

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aj the epic

Scum used to be hard to find

*insert snarky response about you just being bad*

There's really no point in worrying about D2 already. If Vig shoots tonight and misses, then we'll have to mass claim tomorrow. That's about all there is to it.

Empking! BbMolla! Why don't you scumread this? Isn't this robotic~not scared of apocalyptic commet attack attitude

I think it was Persivul who pointed out the wording parallel with whatever I said?
Did anyone note "commet"?

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Our Vert

Hey guys.

What's shaking?

I don't math but sounds about right. Why do you seem so concerned?

I don't math but sounds about right. Why do you seem so concerned?

You're not? I like to have some chance at winning.

It's a rare occurrence to get a scum lynch day one, and it's a rarer occurrence that a vig kill lands on scum. That puts us at losing night two unless the stars align perfectly.

Not really. I have good feeling about the player list.

I think I'm gonna do RQS this game

Please don't.

I think our best bet is to just play and convince the vigilante to stay put if we mislynch D1.

Spoiler: Their Vert

Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.

Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.

Checking in.

I'm not familiar with any of the flavor but I feel like it could be indicative of alignment in some way. I'll try to read up on it sometime tomorrow.

Taking all of the claims so far with a grain of salt. I think Lady's post restriction thing might be legit though. Seems like it would be very hard to fake but

at the same time it's a convenient excuse for lack of content.

Am I missing something with Camn and Jae? Saw a few votes on them and didn't really see anything too scummy.

The bolded, for clarification.

Not once has LLD used it as an excuse for lack of content.

p-edit: hmmmm Spyrex can go up a tier

I'm just saying that it could be used as an excuse since she's having a difficult time so far with posts.

Seems like it would be very hard to fake

Posting with good grammar is hard to fake?

To me yeah. Depending on what and how much you want to say, especially if you have no one to proofread your post.

Okay on a reread I'm seeing what you guys are seeing now. I thought you guys were voting Jae for their vigilante comment which I found fairly reasonable considering what kind of game this is.

I don't understand how Jae originally found a conformation post more worthy of receiving a read compared to someone claiming miller. Even if you have a real reason for not factoring the claim, you could have still commented on her laughing at Lady's claim. I mean that would have most likely been received null but it's better than leaving someone off the list like they never posted.

Why the TR on Magna?

To general meta concerns, I feel like Lil Uzi Vert in the other game didn't feel like he was trying to avoid saying anything marginally uselful/risky; there, he pushed on someone because he thought they were maybe faking a PR claim, he clarified what was going on between players and he gave opinions on it. Here, I'm not really sure how to qualify his play other than coasting.

Vote: Lil Uzi Vert

I'll probably continue a larger case tomorrow when I have a little more time to work with but this is where I want to lynch today.

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I don't think you did your homework properly. This not only lacks context but a comperhensive understanding of my personality. This feels like you scrambled to find a reason to stay away from the Fate-Midget debate. Anyone can pick out a few posts from a previous game and compare them to posts from a current game same said player is in and say this isn't their town game.

VOTE: Reflektor

Update on your opinion here LUV?

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted random to produce content thats all.

been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies

VOTE: Medea

i will. i work weirdly. sometimes it takes me a while to get going but I'm trying to figure this one out.

(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).

to a certain extent there is. Scum do want to push through a QL today. Which is why it is weird my wagon didn't grow faster.

Gonna start ISOing players I don't really have a read on (persivul, LUV, Realeo for example)

sorta-responding, there WAS a pseudo-wagon on RM (support on a vig shot on him), so that would be a decent place to look for scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean Tammy/AJ are universally town read

Lol at trying to throw AJ in as an universal townread.

what about Tammy tjho

What about her? She was pretty towny.

Yeah
gonna go back and see if her content was worth townreading after Real's strange behavior at some point

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm still fine with the -Grey- slot as town

Alien vs. -Grey- competing waogns would be good to see

hm

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wow, that post contains zero reads or strances except set-up shit!

Not surprised

It included a sentence which is far more useful. Care to answer it?

*question

Gamma: Why would one want to note the meany's use of "commet"?

meany?
Anyway, it's more the fact both you and realeo misspelled it as commet which is odd. The proper word is "comet".

[Gamma Emerald]

So our sewer line just backed up into the basement shower....

We're just claiming early because I'm dealing with that; Penguin's working 10-12 hour shifts right now; deadline is approaching, and it's fairly clear the wagon momentum is squarely on us and nowhere else has traction.

We're the vig. Now go wagon actual scum. Knthnxbye.

@Mod Cabd Head VLA until plumber can diagnose, will have an update for you later today IRL

Yeah, this is town. I've claimed under less-than-optimal timing for claiming before (instead of at a low wagon size, I claimed early in the day, btw Prism and LUV know about this early claim firsthand). I feel scum would wait for the wagon to come to a head then claim, leaving less time for movement afterward.
Of course, fakeclaiming vig is stupid as scum anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wow, that post contains zero reads or strances except set-up shit!

Not surprised

It included a sentence which is far more useful. Care to answer it?

*question

Gamma: Why would one want to note the meany's use of "commet"?

meany?
Anyway, it's more the fact both you and realeo misspelled it as commet which is odd. The proper word is "comet".

Oh, you're reading it as a genuine error on his part? Or both copying from the same source?

Huh, didn't really consider the second option.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Molla

Slight preference for Empking

really?

[Gamma Emerald]

Aj The Epic - -Grey-, BBMolla, Empking, randomidget (L-2)
is this really a town wagon? really???

You're going to really complain about that?
1) it's near deadline, wagon comp isn't a big worry at that point
2) bussing happens

[Gamma Emerald]

i think it's wrong to shoot, bc the only reason they wouldnt roleblock you is if your reads are totally off

Your input into my wife's menstrual cycle is noted.

Oops wrong account sorry mod.

tbh I find it funnier it was the main that posted

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma and Shad: I forgot Reflektor is a hydra of Nacho and Prism. They're back to null for me since I liked what I've been seeing from Prism but not from Nacho. Why does what I think of them matter now though? Are you two scum reading them?

I was hoping for a read on Fate too

[Gamma Emerald]

why should we know this

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until sunday camping trip yo

I AM forming read I'm just not being public with them.

[Gamma Emerald]

emp scummy, he feels fake in his logic and it feels indicative of maf trying to bs logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow. I even forget to make a read at GE because I even forget about him

I'm voting Gamma today unless Nacho shows up to stop me, and even then I might do it anyway. This doesn't look like either of the games Gamma was town in with me, and the dude's only flurry of posting yesterday was awful. If he's town give me the flip sooner rather than later.

The two games I played with Gamma I got very quick townreads on him (Granted once I was scum) based off the quality of some of the flurries of activity he would have.

VOTE: Gamma

-Prism

Don't worry, I'll have something soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count

Gamma Emerald -
Reflektor -
Lil Uzi Vert -
Empking - Fate, -Grey-, Lil Uzi Vert, Persivul, Empking, BBMolla, Realeo (LYNCH)
BBMolla -
shadonra -
-Grey- -
Fate - shadonra (L-5)
Persivul -
Realeo -
Medea The Alien -
No Lynch -

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!
Not Voting: Gamma Emerald, Reflektor, Medea the Alien

Day 2 Ends in:

(expired on 2017-02-07 20:22:43)

A lynch has been achieved! Death post incoming...

Let's take a look at this. Empking selfvoted way before the actual hammer which leads me to believe there was bussing going on with his wagon before his selfvote. Unless Fate executed a genius gambit, that leaves Grey and Persivul as the possible bussing scum. I'm thinking both are scum given how Emp just laid down and gave up.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma
OMGUS so hard!

I'm not even sure if you're scum yet, but ok
VOTE: Grey

[Gamma Emerald]

Medea I have a question: what's up with the countdown in your sig?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like attacks on self-describing

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, that's why I did a massive ellipsis

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like attacks on self-describing

How is asking a question an attack?

Only scum has to be worried about answering questions.

It felt confrontational.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I was inactive when it happened. Why are you treating his flip as a reason you shouldn't be suspected?

[Gamma Emerald]

Things could have changed, it's not that odd
Let's note there's also frames and PR hunting

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait how am I scum again?

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive. I am thinking its a double/triple benefit red herring kill.

Frame Townie + PR hunt + Save Scum Buddy (may or may not be one of the case).

The Irony is that I don't think any of them are scum right now.

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So I reread the game during the night and found that Vedith wasn't as scummy to me anymore.

His line of posts from 1586 to 1616, where he reasons with Wisdom and tires to prove that Wisdom is wrong wrt his WQ read. Where he also brings out the truth from Wisdom that Wisdom thinks WQ is scum regardless of BTD6 flip.

And his post about their sister hood 1061 (which was agreed to be accurate by the hoodies) makes me think that he may not actually be scum.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I want to hear more from Texcat, she didn't reply to my post :

@Texcat: Don't you see that as manipulation from Vedith? Why didn't you suspect Vedith here?

VOTE: Texcat till you start talking more.

Tell me what you think of WQ, Wisdom, Vedith, and Drealmerz.

This quote does my point justice, especially the beginning

[Gamma Emerald]

Can someone acknowledge this game pls?

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I think grey's strange team accusations represent a deeper desire to lynch town by crap associations

[Gamma Emerald]

What is this BS
That would be BAAAAAAASTAAAAAAAAARD!

[Gamma Emerald]

O_O
dat phrasing tho

[Gamma Emerald]

No, because it's on my phone and I can't transfer data here from my phone
If you really want to see it I'll transcribe, but I haven't updated it recently. I may do so soon.

[Gamma Emerald]

im headed to bed now btw

[Gamma Emerald]

GWS talked about reasons why nightkills happen

[Gamma Emerald]

Not in my opinion. That looks rather shady imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Meant to but I forgot to post it actually, also had trouble putting it into words

[Gamma Emerald]

circular logic

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't even remember the last time I defended a null read, I much prefer to just ride it out and get my own conclusion. This has just been a garbage fest.

This has to do with...?

[Gamma Emerald]

You are aware that if Persivul is shot with the gun you gave, the day ends, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Really? I remember you scumreading me for part of Evoker.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Fate, before you have me shot can you elaborate on your scumread of me?

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought you were scum with Empking, from looking at your posting relating to him d1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I felt you needed to be lynched since it was YOUR words I found indicative of the pairing.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Molla

Slight preference for Empking

THIS is what pinged me, and I'm fairly certain I noted it earlier. I kept the conclusion to myself so if Fate was mafia he couldn't dodge me before I had the whole picture.

[Gamma Emerald]

I felt it was correct to hold the speaker accountable

[Gamma Emerald]

I had voted him, but I had not brought my full case forward.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not the whole case, just a big pillar. And even if it WAS my case, it would have been fairly substantive.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I wanted to be fully caught up before bringing the case up

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone else active rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo nacho, thoughts rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I understand, the thing is I'm not going to force things. It's not how I like to play. I find that a lot of people on this site don't understand that a lot of stuff is just noise or NAI and tend to end up

making something out of nothing

as a result, rather than letting things progress naturally.

Looking at this there's not much to it, looks like Reflektor is

making something out of nothing

.
VOTE: Reflektor

This struck me as odd. Rules don't say if scum have daytalk. If they do, this could be two people both unconsciously using wording that came up in their scum thread.

Persivul, I'd like your thoughts on what you think here now.

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree entirely with the case on Persivul. I think it's bullshit. -Prism

I endorse this product.

Which?

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to know if you endorse Persivul as town or scum

[Gamma Emerald]

pagetop

[Gamma Emerald]

Realeo, I did that so I could get to the game quicker in my subscriptions. Unvote.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like it if Realeo unvoted

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like it if Realeo unvoted

If he does, I'll just vote you again.

And I'm fine with your vote being on me, because you're scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

VCA, my own personal suspicions

[Gamma Emerald]

Also mafSilver makes your orange (which looks green now) a pain on the eyes

[Gamma Emerald]

Dude, unvote me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd like it if Realeo unvoted

If he does, I'll just vote you again.

And I'm fine with your vote being on me, because you're scum.

Wrong again!

Really, because I'm fairly sure you're an easy read.

[Gamma Emerald]

I apologize for not staying on topic 1-fucking-hundred percent of the time

[Gamma Emerald]

And unvote me. Just do it.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I'm probably going offline soon, so pls unvote me now

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh but they are

[Gamma Emerald]

I have in my excel that I suspect Grey as scum with Persivul due to Grey's voting patterns

[Gamma Emerald]

Reflektor, I see you online, unvote me

[Gamma Emerald]

I have in my excel that I suspect Grey as scum with Persivul due to Grey's voting patterns

Lol and you think I'm an easy read.

Bullshit.

If you knew the first thing about me, you'd know that I NEVER bus as scum.

Which is why your voting is suspicious: you had a quick vote/unvote on Percy

[Gamma Emerald]

That explains a lot.

If you believe it. Have you considered the possibility that he was scum laying low, then when challenged on it he decided to town up his game and use technology as an excuse for the change?

yeah, my scumread of fate dropped off between my vote and his pressure on me for it

This sounded terrible when I first read it, but on further consideration I see the point.

That's inconsistent as hell.

"He's scum laying low!"
"Yeah I can see why your scumread dropped off"

BOTH ABOUT FATE'S EXPLANATION FOR HIS INACTIVITY

VOTE: Persivul

I can see how I might have been reading too much into it. That makes sense.

VOTE: Medea

[Gamma Emerald]

bump

[Gamma Emerald]

btw v/la until monday

[Gamma Emerald]

ok here's the deal
I'm the REAL gunsmith. I got fate guilty n1 and Grey guilty n2. I'm certain Fate is not the scum rb, so we're not lynching him today. THAT'S WHY I wanted Realeo/someone other than Grey to unvote: so Fate + Grey couldn't hammer me once I outted them. btw as for the third, I'm fairly certain it's Persivul

[Gamma Emerald]

That's why I suspect Persivul, you guessing that I would be the gunsmith via his pr suspicions on me

[Gamma Emerald]

I asked KBW about whether the GS can give a gun when roleblocked and he said yes

[Gamma Emerald]

ohboy
Not only did KBW inform me of that, he informed me I was the only one besides the roleblocker who got to know by his word, since I am the gunsmith and would be the roleblockee

[Gamma Emerald]

wtf even is the vc by now btw

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL
I want to eliminate the rb first. I'm certain fate isn't the rb, and my only other guilty is you, so I'm voting in the overlap between "potential rb" and "guilty result"

[Gamma Emerald]

lol
noted people are taking issue with my "hypo". I didn't want to alert Fate to anything being up
I WILL draw attention to the fact I took a genuine interest in the identity of the vig d2: this was so I could trust my guilty

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You'll see when I flip.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wtf
I somehow won lol
Also thanks for not locking this listmod.