League of Legends: The New Thread

[JasonWazza]

Pay for extra chests.

[JasonWazza]

I am now finally gold 5, 4th promo series and i haven't been playing ranked all that much.

[JasonWazza]

Zac is such a fun champ for Top/Jg.

In top you basically never

lose

lane, you just go even by farming up and building your items, and if you ever win lane, you dumpster lane.

In jungle, you just get those massive ganks from miles, and can steal dragon without staying in the pit via your E.

[JasonWazza]

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S+ and first game of being gold, some people really don't make it easy, especially people stuck into one build and one build path (Malphite didn't build MR items until Sunfire and Iceborn were both complete, and even complained about no MR while not having both items complete, cause annie was getting fed).

[JasonWazza]

There are items that inflict grievous wounds that are pretty good in this game.

Has silver not heard of these items yet?

Morello only starts working at 35% health, and no one knows about executioner's calling being a stand alone item.

[JasonWazza]

Let's be honest, fire dragon is damn strong and can snowball you out of contention or bring you back in the game.

I always get annoyed when a fire dragon actually does pop up, because i always tend to be on a tank in the games that they do pop up (and thus make 0 use of it)

Not that any dragon is really all that useful for tanks since the nerfed the Ocean dragon.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah Lucian's straight up broken atm.

I feel like we should just call him the only viable ADC, who can shred tanks and not get 1 shot.

I wouldn't call him broken, just the only ADC that is able to do the ADC job at the current point and time due to the gutting of ADC's in general.

[JasonWazza]

My main problem with your thought process is you think you can decide what the bronzie plays, if they are bronze, they will likely play a damage heavy champion top (think fiora/riven) and not go anywhere near even, and probably have ass farm.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like I'd put adc and support at diamond support and plat adc just because if that lane gets ahead (which it will) a diamond support will make all the plays and the adc will have good enough mechanics to outplay the entire enemy team.

Honestly if you have a good ADC you can probably cope with a half decent support and are better off putting someone better into the jungle.

2 ways i would consider setting it up.

Top - Bronze
Jungle - Diamond
Mid - Platinum
ADC - Gold
Support - Silver

OR

Top - Bronze
Jungle - Platinum
Mid - Gold
ADC - Diamond
Support - Silver

I'd argue that number 1 is better for the current patches, 2 is probably more viable in a few patches when the ADC isn't gonna get instant 1-shot extremely often (cause even diamond players would have that problem).

[JasonWazza]

Just went against a top lane illaoi, with exhaust/ignite, god damn that was freaking annoying, she instantly Ult+Exh+ignite and then could really easily one shot me, because base damage of tentacles is fucked.

[JasonWazza]

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Damn that is a painful champion release, Taliyah is really a mediocre champion.

[JasonWazza]

CONFIRMED ON TWITTER AS LEGENDARY THRESH SKIN yay

If it's a legendary, given what i have seen, i don't think it will be worth the price.

EDIT: No more solo queue confirmed, and Riot are trying to shittly defend a shitty system.

[JasonWazza]

Thresh skin? I already like my thresh skin

This, basically i can't see any reason why it would be able to top the other 3 skins he has to the point where you can justify the extra cost, all 3 are really well done skins.

[JasonWazza]

i personally like pool party rek'sai, though i can see why people wouldn't, and eternum is fairly bad.

My problem is putting a legendary on a champion with what is arguably some of the better low tier skins.

[JasonWazza]

So reading the patch notes right now, is the Zed change actually a nerf?

Now he just pokes through minions harder, for the most minimal damage loss, this to me is a massive buff to poking people down (something zed already does) and the fall off is slightly less all in damage (which he will still one shot you if he hits his stuff.)

EDIT: Nvm i was reading it wrong and attributing it to the Q fall off through minions, when it's the multiple shuriken hits that is making the change

EDIT 2: "Your shop" seems like it is actually personalized this time, i pulled Ekko, Zac, Kindred, Nidalee, Kog'maw and Elise skins, and all of these are either strong champions of mine, or ones that i have played recently (Zac is one i have picked up recently.) and bought 3 of the 6.

[JasonWazza]

Oh, I didn't realize the shop was up. Neat.

It's with the patch i assume, so it might not be up for anyone else (OCE gets patches first now.)

[JasonWazza]

I found it really easy to get Ss on Fiddlesticks.

It's because he's one of those champions that either have really amazing games, or really terrible games if he gets shut out/the enemy team get fed enough to ignore his ult.

Mind you i still don't think i've seen a good Fiddlesticks, i've seen average ones that all they had was his ult, since the rework i haven't seen any of those early ganking ones that shut out a lane so damn hard.

[JasonWazza]

So after playing Taliyah a few games, what is wrong with her?

She actually seems fairly strong now that i have played her (though i didn't use her ult outside of basically a short TP)

[JasonWazza]

Quick question that i want to pose, would Titanic hydra be a worthwhile late game item on a health tank regardless of how auto heavy they are (EG. Sejuani, Ekko sort of champions)?

This is regarding tank like builds and how worthwhile Titanic is in them.

[JasonWazza]

It's just (and here is my thinking on it) as a late game item, you have an item that scales off 10% of your maximum health, as damage, as more of a final item that is looking at 400ish (my experience is around 4k health) damage though as AD damage along with the Grasp Keystone, and the passive on hit extra damage.

I wouldn't put it in the build earlier as the core items are extremely core for most tanks (Sunfire, SV, iceborn)

Mind you i guess i'm also a person known for picking up things like Maw/Scimitar on Tank Ekko for specific scenarios.

EDIT: Also as a note, if your having trouble with a healing champion, and you are ranged, pick up an executioners calling if you can't get them below 40% to stop the healing, even on AP champs that can really fuck with things, that's what i get for mentioning Maw/Scimitar on Ekko

[JasonWazza]

And that is what riot wants from you.

It's sad when even pro players that are support mains have to say "give me the kill" when they are playing to attempt to get an S (watched a few of Aphromoo's on stream games of thresh).

[JasonWazza]

That Overwatch in the background though.

[JasonWazza]

The fact that every 3rd Q deals double damage (with not bad scaling) and heals for a % of his missing health.

He just ends up being a tanky sustained mage that actually deals a decent amount of damage while being healthy and being impossible to escape.

[JasonWazza]

I remember like a year ago when the bot problem was at it's peak you could get into games easily with 4+ bots.

At the moment from what i can tell, a majority of the bots use the same naming conventions, and can be easily spotted, not that riot cares.

[JasonWazza]

http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/ ... ametraders

So this is a thing that is happening, really don't think this will do that well, as i don't even think there are that many league players in Australia, let alone, enough that would actually be able to demand enough of it that it would be profitable.

EDIT: As a note, i decided to look up the price i would be paying to get a teemo hat shipped here, 30 USD, or 40 AUD, and the teemo hat in the store is 32 AUD, an 8 AUD saving for actually going to a store and picking it up instead of just ordering it and getting shipped to my door, really unsure as to why they tried physical stores.

[JasonWazza]

Made an account to dick around on for ranked.

Funny how 1/1 in provisionals on a fresh 30 account, is somehow at silver 2 MMR.

Also like how for some reason because i'm not playing in super tryhard mode, i am trolling according to that team, not to mention it was a 4 man premade with a shitty jungler who died top and gave double buffs over to an Ahri (went in on 300 health and was shocked that i didn't go in and, i dunno tank it), when i was shen, and me losing that lane is my fault.

Ah ranked is so stupid.

[JasonWazza]

Made an account to dick around on for ranked.

Funny how 1/1 in provisionals on a fresh 30 account, is somehow at silver 2 MMR.

Also like how for some reason because i'm not playing in super tryhard mode, i am trolling according to that team, not to mention it was a 4 man premade with a shitty jungler who died top and gave double buffs over to an Ahri (went in on 300 health and was shocked that i didn't go in and, i dunno tank it), when i was shen, and me losing that lane is my fault.

Ah ranked is so stupid.

Losing your lane is

always

your fault in a sololane.

Junglers might be dumb sometimes and make it harder, but that just means you should have been winning the lane earlier. Even if your opponent is up gold/buffs you should be able to mechanically outplay them unless you're in masters+

Oh no doubt but it's an account where i really cbf, and it was already going to be a hard lane without the double buffs on the ahri with me as shen.

But the fact that she tower dove me shortly after because she now had doubles and could do that, it limits what i could do in lane significantly out of sit back and get 0 of anything.

[JasonWazza]

One note, you don't have a normal AD one tailored to be in a lane against magic damage, not sure if that's not something your worried about or what.

My thoughts;
Rune page 2: Though this doesn't nesscearilly currently apply, you could consider running 5%+5% scaling CDR in your blues, this depends on your personal item preferences and whether you hit 40% or not (and could allow you to change boots to pen from lucidity.)
Rune page 4: I'd recommend just buying (/using) a third AS quint and putting the Armor/MR back into this page
Rune page 7/8/9: if you can afford the runes, Scaling health seals are better then flat health seals in a lot of cases where you want to take health seals.

Other then my own thing of you running 5/4 instead of 6/3 (it's so much cleaner for my bit of OCD, fucking CDR runes have made me like this) it's mostly alright, just remember tailor runes to yourself, and know what other people use.

[JasonWazza]

Dynamic queue, the ranked queue where any possibly actually new players, will play against golds on a regular basis.

Finished Provisionals on my Smurf Silver 4, and have played with so many gold players it ain't even funny.

[JasonWazza]

Don't know if the times co-relate to America and such, but school holidays?

[JasonWazza]

That avatar duo though

We've had this for a while, Ank suggested it in thread, and i love Kindred.

Speaking of, has anyone played her since they removed the heal on her W?

Is she completely boned, or is she still playable?

Or, what i dread, nidalee level of playable, where early game taking camps are a massive fucking chore.

[JasonWazza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RTwdjmK0RQ

Watched this, and realized that it's going to require a lot to try and do kindred, i have never been good at the perfect kiting required for this sort of stuff, so i'm not sure i will play kindred all that much anymore.

[JasonWazza]

So taliyah is amazing this patch, but i worry there is too little counterplay to her W>E combo.

[JasonWazza]

Dodge the W, it's telegraphed and has a small radius

If you see her throw out the E you should be watching for the sign already

If she throws out the E first, she is doing it wrong, and as "telegraphed" as it is now that it's vector casting, it's really quick to cast, and gives very little time to actually move out of the way if it's right on the person.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah, and i have been playing it already, because OCE gets patches first.

Also don't think the W takes 1 second like the wiki thinks it does.

[JasonWazza]

Taliyah's W is .84 seconds or something like that, which is still mre telegraphed than most telegraphed abilities

Yes but it's that telegraphed for something that can half hit most people, and doing that while someone is stuck in an animation gives even less time to react.

Not to mention, if you haven't hit someone with it, they aren't expecting it to be so quick (if they haven't read the patch notes.)

Also it feels like it's less than .84 seconds (I haven't gone to the point of timing it, but it feels around the .5 second mark.)

[JasonWazza]

I don't think you understand the sheer amount of crappy luck I get.

look my lad luck isn't a thing only probability exists stop blaming your losses on luck you just look salty at best and making excuses at worst

The problem is your reasoning says that ani has to play extremely often to counter it, which ani may not be willing to do.

Also since the introduction of dynamic, i would say that a Support that isn't in a premade would have an extremely hard time.

[JasonWazza]

Here's my thinking, and i'm not saying ani does or doesn't deserve to climb or anything like that.

If you are queuing as a support by yourself, likelihood is both teams will have premades, because that is what Dynamic queue has caused, these premades can be good, or can be bad, but this isn't the point.

The point that will affect ani, is that she 100% will have no knowledge of her ADC, no voice comms etc.

Yet there is a decent chance, that the enemy team has a Premade bot that know each other well and have voice comms, and i run into this all the time in my games, and can't think of a time in ranked where i have had 2 un-premade bot lanes.

This doesn't change anything in terms of everyone else on the rift, but it makes any support main without a premade, have a hard time, sure you can do the right things, but if the bot laner doesn't know what the right things to do are, then you run into a problem, and even just being out of sync with your bot laner can cause problems (going aggressive when your ADC doesn't expect it for example)

[JasonWazza]

Fuck i know that.

It's just using the name Ani when i type automatically makes me start typing she.

[JasonWazza]

I can't remember the last time I've seen a clear premade, other than one time 4 members of my team did not speak or ping and moved like telepathic and I was nasus top and farmed whole game and we powerhoused to victory

Do you look at club tags before the game starts (or during i guess)?

I've ran into lots of obvious premades mostly because i am always looking at the loading screen to start off with, and notice the tags.

[JasonWazza]

Just make sure you go into normals and throw the first stone.

[JasonWazza]

I love how your jungle complaint is simply "If all my lanes lose i can't do shit"

I mean that applies for every other role, just everyone is going to blame you because they can't win lane, jungle is probably the best when it comes to dealing with the RNG of shitty team mates.

[JasonWazza]

It's the most consistent complaint I hear: "I can't influence the game easily, if enemy jungler gets a lead, I'm useless"

None of these complaints come from people who main these roles.

Well quite clearly, the only reason a jungler shouldn't be able to do anything, is if they are a 6 dependant jungler, and somehow all your lanes have fed 2 kills to the enemy laners, and even then, most 6 junglers can still get off a half decent gank.

I do somewhat agree that it can be hard if all your lanes are losing, but that shouldn't really ever be a case.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah with tristana i'd assume towers is what has happened.

I know that i pick up tristana a decent amount of the time i get ADC, and i rarely do jack shit in teamfights (i also do jackshit in teamfights on all the other ADC's i pick though).

[JasonWazza]

To be fair to Panzer, i think he needs to be banned quite often when he comes out.

[JasonWazza]

Though, in Kled's case, it doesn't really seem like he has good enough dismounted skills to keep him up.

He doesn't need dismounting skills honestly.

He has a Sivir ultimate, you could honestly just build him tank, team him in anything because he is basically a tank version of sivir in that case.

Not to mention if you manage to team him with champions that have move speed bonuses as well, and don't get something like Janna picked into you, your gonna be a massive problem.

[JasonWazza]

Also have to say, that bugfix for Zac in this patch makes me so happy.

(can't change the direction of his E on the minimap no more)

Not to mention Nid buffs, and a new ekko skin, this patch feels pretty decent for me.

[JasonWazza]

They are slight buffs, with a slight nerf to nid by removing the auto reset (which i honestly don't know why she had that anyway.)

[JasonWazza]

And personally i hate playing jungle nidalee.

[JasonWazza]

Nidalee's first clear was always garbage since they removed the passive stopping jungle camp movement.

[JasonWazza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7sKn9NjWaY

This is what i was meaning in regards to Kled, that ult is just plain stupid.

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

This has to be one of the most fun/stupid games i have had as support.

[JasonWazza]

Ping and hope to god your other laners have some basic awareness, or roam as well and try to counter the roam.

[JasonWazza]

I'm so sick of OCE, you can't play a normal game without at least 1 person instalocking and taking someone else's role.

And i just had 2 of them in the same game and made it a remake by afking.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah Hextech Crafting is surprising in how many decent skins you can actually get, that said i swear they must randomize the level of skin you get, then the actual skin, because i have gotten plenty of overlap.

[JasonWazza]

His harder, he used to be "one combo does all" now he actually has some thought to whether you want X or Y combo.

And all the combos also give him meaningful tradeoffs.

[JasonWazza]

but even those most experienced with him seem to do far below average...

Unless your experience is recent, then it means nothing.

So using the whole 150 games experience on ryze means nothing.

[JasonWazza]

Sorry i'm wrong, it's 125+

The meaningful part of the graph is till 125 where it goes up to 49%

[JasonWazza]

So question, what do you do against a good GP when your a melee champion?

And i'm talking about the kind of GP that understands that a single barrel behind him is a zoning tool.

[JasonWazza]

the classic double the fucking minions at one tower ult

Or super minions at an inhib tower

[JasonWazza]

That's just what premades do.

[JasonWazza]

It depends on what happens with the duo queue on the other side.

Vel'koz and Kha'zix were premade on the enemy team, and that premade is spread a little from the elo your sitting on for the game.

[JasonWazza]

A lot of reworks are massive buff's.

[JasonWazza]

This game suffered pretty heavily from power creep, so it makes sense.

I feel like Power creep is minor and the problem is mobility creep.

And also that rito don't know how to balance on a release of a rework and instead just release them OP, and nerf them till they aren't even useful.

[JasonWazza]

Also not sure i would go with Power creep for that one, but that may just be me.

[JasonWazza]

I swear i'm a tank, i promise.

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Seriously though, the BC "bug fix" on graves is OP, because you so easily stack the entire thing in 2 autos, and then burst people.

[JasonWazza]

"because lux keeped on bopping me"

"yeah that's cause you kept getting snared by her with half health"

"yeah pretty much"

The conversation i just had with darius ^

(he is a bronzie friend of mine i play norms with.)

[JasonWazza]

I honestly think most mid laners just bend over against that team comp.

Cassio wouldn't have been terrible, because of her ult/W

[JasonWazza]

You can get away with it if you're lower than about low gold, but people start abusing level 2 powerspikes and brute forcing trades more often beyond that. It's a good buy later on if your back is efficient enough to buy it (and you have slots) simply because it will eventually pay off with extra gold, but the combat stats are too important at the very beginning when you need to either try to force an advantage or mitigate the enemy's advantage enough to be able to farm.

Personally i don't understand the argument of getting it on the first/second back, over getting it immediately, and getting a doran's blade on the first/second back.

You just delay the item earning you money.

And unless your in a super aggresive lane or something like that (so essentially in lanes you wouldn't go Cull anyway logically) i don't see the real point to it.

[JasonWazza]

Really? Also, how do I Graves Jungle? I want to leeeaaarn.

What do you need help with learning?

[JasonWazza]

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I love being called shit by accounts that are clearly bought/boosted.

[JasonWazza]

I like Ivern, but 100% can't play him if you think any of your laners will lose because he is so utility based.

Realized that really quickly playing with some of my bronze friends that i play with every now and then.

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Nunu is kinda retarded now.

I had 6k health, and that was before i was finished my build.

15% bonus health (on top of cinderhulk) is not a small amount that they should have given to Nunu.

Not to mention the 50 out of combat movespeed was pretty great.

[JasonWazza]

I'd say it's less that he scales late and more that if he doesn't get dumpstered in the first 20 the game will go decently for him.

[JasonWazza]

Trust me i want him to be good, but right now he isn't.

[JasonWazza]

Doing well in one game doesn't justify feeding in 20.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah he clearly just doesn't understand that dodging is a legitimate mechanic used to climb.

Sure someone who has a 15% win rate on their champ might do well that game with them magically, but likelihood is, they just got carried in those games, and that means nothing to the state of what they are playing.

I also don't understand the people who play champions that are well under 50% win rates past like 20+ games on them, because it's clear that they are either not good on them, or aren't doing the right things on them.

[JasonWazza]

That is not why riot added timers at all.

[JasonWazza]

Turns out riot give out 14 day bans for nothing these days.

Nearly all of OCE should be banned given my chat logs as to why i got banned (and this is from no ban history).

GG Rito.

[JasonWazza]

Basically the same thing.

And i don't even think i have been in low priority queue.

http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/e ... 0400000000

There's a link to the rito post.

1st game is me defending a team mate from lux who was basically inting and blaming others.
2nd game is swain inting.
3rd game is me being abused for not ganking, as a skarner, when i couldn't really gank before 6.
4th game is me being annoyed at the 3 man premade of star guardians who were just ditching me and my mate when we were tanking everything to do nothing.

All in quick succession so i was getting tilted and playing with friends.

And a note before people try to berate me for the wording used.

This is OCE worse then this is said on a regular basis, and hell by several of my teammates in nearly all of those games.

[JasonWazza]

Agreed, but people on OCE don't get banned for that crap, legitmately the word downie gets used quite often, and very rarely does it lead to a ban (i know someone who uses the word and hasn't even recieved a ban yet.)

[JasonWazza]

Cause you know, what is instant feedback actually for.

[JasonWazza]

I'm aware, but IF is supposed to sweep every game (or at least every game where people get reported.)

[JasonWazza]

The problem isn't my ban, as much as people can't get this through their head.

It's the fact that if this ban is "accurate" then the majority of OCE has to receive a 14 day ban.

Which isn't logical.

RIP tribunal.

[JasonWazza]

Your excuses ("everyone does it") are unconvincing.

Have you played on OCE?

[JasonWazza]

So doom bots is fun.

[JasonWazza]

It is, it's already out on OCE (which i don't think that it's meant to be yet.)

[JasonWazza]

What do you mean?

It hasn't changed in forever.

[JasonWazza]

I was looking forward to reading that post when they posted it, then they only did like 7 graphs and i got disappointed.

[JasonWazza]

IMHO if you weren't gold 6 weeks ago, you already put yourself in an impossible situation

This is very true, boosters take over the ranked games this late in the season.

My smurfs games were riddled with them.

[JasonWazza]

The issue is the enemy team is more likely to have a booster etc. (unless you are a booster yourself)

[JasonWazza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWlqOjeW5DU

[JasonWazza]

Jungle changes are interesting, but a few key notes:

Probably best to start a buff camp, as krugs/gromp spawn around 1:50

Starting Krugs, clear ALL smalls then the big, the difference is 60 EXP (180/120 into level 2)

Still very easy to get executed (i've managed to get executed on a Ekko clear.)

[JasonWazza]

As a note for control wards, makes sure if your bot lane to put it in the outer part of the bush against stealth champions, or they can hug the wall to stealth around them (900 is slightly too short when they are in the right side of the main bush and left side of the tri.)

[JasonWazza]

Twitch is actually a really strong jungler now, his stealth is basically eve levels of annoying, except he can stealth mid combat with a kill, and i believe the radius is smaller on the stealth detection.

[JasonWazza]

5/5 in flex, got placed silver 5 from Gold 5 this season.

Woo climbing again.

[JasonWazza]

That's for flex.

Flex and solo/duo seem like they are both getting reset (even though in reality Flex IS dynamic queue, and doesn't require one.)

[JasonWazza]

Flex Match Making is a joke.

[JasonWazza]

Considering OCE has this i'm just going to post it here because from what i've heard it's similar everywhere.

http://boards.oce.leagueoflegends.com/e ... ing-issues

[JasonWazza]

Flex right now is such a chore, simply because of how reset it got, and how much the matchmaking is screwed.

That said, Zac is massive right now, Courage of the Colossus is ridiculous, and he procs it in the middle of the team (remember, if you CC someone from outside the fight, you get less champions around you.)

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Basically full tank, most damage and damage taken.

[JasonWazza]

Also, anyone know if anyone's done the math on how many 4800 champs you need to have remaining when 1700 champ shards are a superior way to collect the remaining champions vs. buyin em directly with IP?

Just buy all the 4800 champs, or else your just gambling.

[JasonWazza]

Well if we want to be technical.

4:1 would be the ratio at which point you don't actually gain/lose IP over the entire course of using the shards (so something like 3:1 means you will gain IP.)

[JasonWazza]

4 4800's to 1 6300. (sorry i thought that was self explanatory.)

[JasonWazza]

To make it slightly easier, the current ORIGINAL count is 43 4800's to 32 6300's.

Meaning unless you bought a crap load of 6300's originally then you should definitely go for the shards.

[JasonWazza]

Also out of curiousity, what are people's opinions on the Singed Support that got banned?

[JasonWazza]

Wait what?

I thought you were random rolling, does that give blue essence?

[JasonWazza]

If you're about to play stunbot Twisted Fate tank support with Talisman, Righteous Glory, and Protobelt, let your team know the special kind of hell you're aiming to create for your enemies

Link: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en ... mment=006b

Did i just get told that i have to tell my teammates in champion select my build?

Also out of curiousity, what are people's opinions on the Singed Support that got banned?

If you're going to play support, don't play jungle. No one knows how to deal with that shit.

To counter the "it's clearly working" argument, it isn't. A large majorty of his wins are from toplane.

He doesn't play jungle, he plays support, and starts by putting the enemy jungler behind, then goes bot lane and supports the carry.

It's kinda sad though the mixed messages people are getting because this whole issue is beyond not explained properly to anyone.

[JasonWazza]

He doesn't play jungle, he plays support, and starts by putting the enemy jungler behind, then goes bot lane and supports the carry.

From what I understand he doesn't ever actually support the lane. He just marks himself as support, counter jungles and does singed things while leaving his ADC out to dry. The problem isn't that he's singed support. It's that he's not supporting.

Issue is that seems to be what a lot of people are being told, which is blatantly false, what he does do is counter jungle a buff early putting the enemy jungler behind, go gank mid/top situation allowing and then goes bot to support his ADC, while roaming and such like a normal support.

[JasonWazza]

Especially if he's not saying anything.

Except the guy posts in champion select what he plans to do.

[JasonWazza]

I mean, they have never monitored champion select or post game chat.

[JasonWazza]

Tribunal, even as recent as people like lonesomeranger (and i am sure there are more recent examples) who was heavily abusive in diamond elo but got away with it until there was a bunch of reddits posts and videos because riot don't monitor either.

Legit the fact that you think they monitor it shows naivety.

[JasonWazza]

EDIT: Wazza, they HAVE to have all the logs. They can't risk end up going to court over something ridiculously silly only to lose because they don't have all the logs.

I'm not saying they don't have the logs, i'm saying they don't look at them.

[JasonWazza]

Yes in what is effectively a PR stunt because they are getting shit for it.

[JasonWazza]

Unless you want specific champions.

[JasonWazza]

The thing is this.

The ring is going even in stacks at 2 kills, Mejai's it's even on 2 kills and an assist.

The issue you have to remember is that even in low elo, if they notice you have a mejai's you are their target.

[JasonWazza]

Also i love how every queue fucks the API for a day or so till everyone realizes what it comes under.

[JasonWazza]

Does anyone reckon courage of the colossus will not be nerfed this patch?

I kinda hope it doesn't get nerfed, but i feel like it's so strong that they have to.

[JasonWazza]

Fervor doesn't need buffs in my opinion, it just means that it's a different subset of champions that pick it up (those that have AD scaling and use autos.)

Colossus i love personally, as i play a lot of tank junglers, and would love to see it come through unscathed, but i know very well that it is way too strong.

And i think even 5% is a bit much, as that is 25%.

Even worse is the flat scaling, 10+10 per level, meaning a total max of 950 health flat (5 champs, level 18) on a tank that will likely have shit tons of resists.

EDIT: And the biggest issue is that any sort of % health scaling has issues especially since Tank items are not only cheap, but it's so easy to buy a mix of health and Resists, with the only fall off being when does the enemy team build % Penetration.

[JasonWazza]

Wait so it's not even coming next patch?

Also do you know what they are doing?

[JasonWazza]

So AD-Tank/Bruiser Fizz is a thing again.

Triforce>Titanic>Tank.

Why did they give fizz an auto reset?

[JasonWazza]

Honestly i feel sorry for anyone that has played ADC for like this whole past season, minus a short period near the start.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah well i don't think any ADC main is polite simply because of riot screwing them so hard and often these days.

[JasonWazza]

At some point I did the exact opposite. ADC's get it to so easy. Get farmed, group up,

don't die

, if you live, shoot towers. Follow someone around the map. In stead of getting fed by your support/jungler, then trying to outplay whoever 1v2, dying, and blaming peel wasn't happening, or pushing some sidelane for that next item. Don't think, you've got teammates for that.

Don't die while you have all the assassin's, all the tanks, all the fighters, all moving on you to kill you, many times at least one of these groups will be fed as well.

The amount of times i just play "fuck the vayne ADC because your playing vayne and need to be dumpstered" is getting to be staggering, and the nerfs she is getting isn't enough to stop me just automatically doing this.

[JasonWazza]

Myko it's generally a 2 way skill cap.

Jungle is heavy on the Macro play, and is very difficult in this aspect.

ADC is heavy on the Micro play.

[JasonWazza]

When is Zyra getting a nerf?

Seriously seems way too strong.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... 229/862635

Was an interesting game, but seriously Zyra support is such a pain in the ass to be against, and somehow i did most damage in the game.

But hey autofill.

[JasonWazza]

Unless your banning nidalee from your team there is no point.

39.5% win rate on Nidalee, and it only goes to 40.41% in plat and above.

[JasonWazza]

Personally i just miss Nidalee being half decent, but whenever she is actually half decent, she is banned way too much.

[JasonWazza]

As a jungler, i don't mind the blue/red changes, as that 30 seconds meant a lot for us.

[JasonWazza]

kalista is probs viable right now, bearing in mind they were going to buff her but decided that buffs to items and fervour were enough already.

but fervor is so shitty for Specific adc's that don't scale on AD well right nowww

FTFY

Seriously though, most ADC's are fine with Fervor, they just need a fight to stack it well, and to be able to hold their abilities that scale with AD until later in the fight.

[JasonWazza]

+MF if you don't like DFT

I don't know about your MF games, but if i'm ever ulting after i have stacks on fervor, i should be getting the shit kicked out of me, OR the fight is over.

[JasonWazza]

they need to make it possible to mute Specific Player's pings

FTFY

Because if you really need to, go into your sound and just mute them.

[JasonWazza]

I get tilted by syndra, and yet my highest win rate is against her

[JasonWazza]

the corki probably fell off late, as corkis do
i can't understand why they couldn't finish the game earlier given their comp

Well the game has bronze-gold players in it, so it was probably as simple as not pushing towers before the anti-push became too much to handle.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah that will probably do it.

Though i still bet we will still see a shit ton of Ivern in LCS etc. due to his passive (or at least bans)

[JasonWazza]

just played a game where two players on my team both built more than one sheen item, despite me saying multiple times the spellblade only procs for the item that does the least amount of damage.

what. the. fuck.

It's the most damage that goes through, and technically Iceborn's AoE works with the other sheens, it just doesn't stack with the target you attack (so the AoE damage hits everything but only the triforce would hit the main target).

[JasonWazza]

I'm just glad they didn't go the casino sounds route of just spamming the message to everyone to pretend they ban people.

[JasonWazza]

That's just you.

The last person who reports a player (IE. anyone in the last game they get to play) is the only one that gets informed of any action taken.

And this is only in the case that it's the instant feedback system that actually does it's job (which it will only do if it detects tons of swearing/racist slurs etc.).

[JasonWazza]

Looks like another patch where assassin's control the meta.

But hey let's buff ADC's so that they are OP when we finally nerf Assassin's.

[JasonWazza]

So ocean week is happening for OCE.

And now all i can help but notice is that they decided to turn Ashe/Sejuani into black women, Fizz is a white female, and Poppy is an Asian.

http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/featu ... nweek-2017

Why is it that if they want diversity they couldn't just go the smart route to it and use the actual black characters?

[JasonWazza]

So why the fuck is Edge of Night a 30 second cooldown?

May have blocked that from my mind in the patch notes, but playing talon and that is just disgusting.

[JasonWazza]

As a note regarding the auto-fill shit;

I ran into a problem a month back similar to what a few streamers were running into with the autofill in that multiple people would get auto-filled even though you could easily be reorganized into a better setup.

For example i normally have jungle/mid as my picks, my mate who i was flexing with had support/fill, and the guy who got jungle has top/mid

The game put me in support, my mate in top, and the other random in jungle, even though we could easily be rearranged properly.

[JasonWazza]

Ummm you may want to re-read, he was asking why ashe over MF, not the other way around.

[JasonWazza]

Did you have a crap comp as well, or was it just a strong set of ADC's?

Also bringing up the fact of ADC's, why is graves still considered a marksman?

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... icipant=10

This was such an easy game, still took 60 minutes.

Le Sigh.

[JasonWazza]

No they don't stack because they are both unique passives called Lifeline.

[JasonWazza]

Just abuse lethality champs for freelo!

My favorite is quinn, her combo is e auto 100-0 any champ with less than 3 armor items.

The game just feels antifun because of lethality, and they are going to be making it potentially worse with the changes coming in next patch (according to the PBE).

[JasonWazza]

what the hell was Cait doing all game

Moving around. Somewhere. Trying really hard not to die or be near anything that does damages

So basically, ADC in 2017

[JasonWazza]

I don't get how everyone is freaking out about lethality. It's still weaker than flat armor pen was last season, its just not total shit now. The nerfs to literally every lethality item at the start of the season also make the effects of lethality less and less impactful. A build centered entirely around quick powerspikes is now unable to achieve that. I don't understand how apparently every lethality build is broken now.

I'm curious, how is it worse then armor pen?

I mean back in the days of armor pen it was bad because at most you could get ~40.

Now you can easily get 70+ lethality, and because of duskblade the Lethality actually scales fairly decently into even more damage, and with the scaling, you get 60% of this upfront, so even at around 80% scaling (level 9) you can get way more then you could with armor pen.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like the ones that go short in low elo are surrenders mostly as well.

[JasonWazza]

yeah no that is old as fuck, just normally most people hit continue too quick.

[JasonWazza]

Don't forget that armor pen champs for the most part couldn't functionally use Duskblade before and that Duskblade scales pff of your lethality.

Also, 60% of 70 lethality is 42. So if you had all those items at level 1 you have about the same about of pen

Not to mention the duskblade scaling is TRUE damage.

And this also comes with a fairly convenient defensive item that is up way too often (edge of night)

Because of that the champions that can one shot you because you have effectively 0 armor have a banshee's veil on them.

And it's not like that itemization hurts you at all, personally i've been finishing the build with Death's Dance and one of Black Cleaver and the last whisper items.

Also speaking of, why are they making Giant's Slayer (and by process of upgrading lord Dominik's) better against slightly healthier champions? (they are changing the passive to give full scaling at 500 health higher rather then 1000 health higher)

That change just feels like it will punish mages that try and build Liandry's/Rylai's/RoA/Hextech items, which sadly is most mages.

[JasonWazza]

Not to put a damper on the montage, but a lot of it is in higher levels of play, play becomes more predictable as you can expect more optimal plays from people, and then it comes down to game knowledge and knowing if summoners are up.

It's definitely easier to predict a high level player then a bronze level player.

[JasonWazza]

Gotta love being against one of the few things that can see through invisibility and getting instantly confused because i thought basically nothing revealed it anymore.

Did not consider Lulu E as one of the things that reveals but it does for future advice for people.

[JasonWazza]

I mean it just shows that the riot balance team doesn't know what they are doing.

Actually a lot of balance changes show that.

If they ever actually took feedback from players who actually play the PBE that would be great.

[JasonWazza]

[JasonWazza]

Honestly it annoys me, but i just fill one game then play out the non-fill games normally.

[JasonWazza]

also, back before we had this system you had WAY less chance of getting the role you wanted. this system is still beneficial overall.

I really hate this argument.

This argument would hold weight if it weren't for the fact that for nearly a whole season, we were basically told that we could have just 2 roles and it was all g.

There is a difference between being required to be a jack of all trades, and not having to, and that difference is this new system, which honestly makes it easier to do the opposite, except when it throws you into another role.

And i'd rather at least know when i'm getting filled, or when i get my roles which is why i actually go fill in any game where i have the chance to get autofilled, because queueing up to be X/Y role and then getting Z role is just annoying.

Hell i'm unmotivated to even play at the current time in ranked, for the simple fact that my next game is going to be a fill game.

[JasonWazza]

This is so true it's not even funny, I occasionally play on my smurf account (It's currently like gold 1 with a plat 3 mmr or something) to try out other roles that I don't normally play. It's insane how often I'll expect someone to try dodge a skillshot so I just whiff because they're oblivious to it. There's such a big change that has to be made in mindset

Yeah it's annoying having to change that mindset back and forth, even if i'm playing support all night, i will have to shift between predicting dodges and not predicting them and going straight with my skillshots.

And then you sometimes have to remember which people know how to dodge and which ones don't (i play a lot of thresh as support)

[JasonWazza]

I mean he is getting a rework.

[JasonWazza]

Doesn't mean much in until we get into an actual slow meta, if game times start hitting 40+ minutes for an average game though, that buff will be too much.

[JasonWazza]

since Xayah is technically [airborne] during her ult does that mean yasuo is an insta-counter?

"Xayah leaps into the air becoming

untargetable

."

[JasonWazza]

*personal opinion*

Having looked over the design of the new champions, it just makes me slightly annoyed at how they decided to do this, having 2 champions linked in game is a good thing, having that link being champion specific is terrible, it would be like if kalista could only link up with one specific champion in league, it's limiting and stupid in how it's gonna work.

Especially since this is never going to make it to professional play or anything like that, because there is no logistical way that both champions should be up for the team picking second if they want to deny it (which their kits seem overloaded together)

as for non-competitive for people who want to play solo as bot or support, this essentially means relying on a random ADC/Support, to pick the other champion, or being at the luck of the dice as to whether you get one or both of the champs even when your duoing in ranked because of the unorganized nature.

While it's a great design, it's a terrible execution in terms of ever getting any useful play time until they become non-meta in anything other then blind pick.

/rant.

[JasonWazza]

I'm not saying they are bad champion designs on their own, but the cross champion interactions make them stronger (to the point where i think they might be too strong) and a poor design because of that aspect.

[JasonWazza]

its fake synergy. riot fails at champion design time after time tbh

Whether the synergy is fake or not (i would argue the synergy is enough given the ADC W passes on to the support) fact is they have to be balanced either around never being together (which should basically always be the case) or being together (which shouldn't realistically happen)

Meaning they are either overtuned when they are together, or undertuned when they aren't, and neither of those are really acceptable states to be in.

I just think it would be better if they made it so it could be with any champion (picking kalista style), and made it so balance isn't such an issue with these 2.

[JasonWazza]

is this game still good be honest

It's exactly as good or bad as you found it last time you played, most likely.

I mean, it's not hard to argue that league is only getting worse.

[JasonWazza]

lots of bad arguments are easy

Well i mean compared to the "good" argument that tends to be playing with friends, which i mean, is a shitty argument because that means your friends are the reason for the fun, not the game, there seems to be very few positive arguments for league.

[JasonWazza]

i have a 4 digit number, but mine is also in AUD so it's a bit different.

EDIT: Not to mention is my guess, it counts when i was using phone credit, which to me was actually FREE phone credit for league

[JasonWazza]

Yeah but they had to keep an "interesting" item in there for Supports for worlds.

[JasonWazza]

They probably did another MMR reset and didn't tell anyone.

[JasonWazza]

I don't. I play solely to win. Winning is fun, losing sucks. Losing because a major system has been tweaked sucks. Playing normals and not getting rewarded sucks, which makes losing triple suck cause you gotta play more games. I don't want my competitive game to be "quirky or wonky". I want to be able to be able to effect them game in a way that is equal to other players, not be left behind because of system changes, so then when I cause my team to lose it really sucks but I can at least learn and become better instead of like "should of played an assassin."

I do have to say, i do agree with the spirit of this, whether it's normals or ranked, i play this game for the competitive aspect, and these new runes and the way the balancing was done does seem like it limits the pool of what can be played.

The main issue i really have, is that they made such a buff to AP champions, because they gave all the champs combinations of Health, Armor, and AD... but not MR.

I don't know about you, but i had a lot of rune pages that had at least some MR in them, now that excess MR is gone.

The new Masteries (they really aren't Runes) are fun when your ahead, but shit when your behind, things like ultimate hat meaning your ult has upwards of 60% CDR is just stupid and means losing, makes you lose even harder then before.

That and a lot of the things they have removed because of imbalance has been put back into the game.

Remember when Riot said Spell Vamp was unhealthy for the game? Riot sure as hell doesn't, because you now have a mastery that can give you upwards of 15% Spell Vamp.

[JasonWazza]

I mean i spent some essence in the Essence shop, but i am still sitting on 60k because i know this new BE system is shit, and i really cbf with all the emotes and shit in the shop.

Also i love the new client.

Spoiler: Random Bug

[JasonWazza]

I love how people are defending the change with "now you don't have to buy runes"

Yeah now have fun buying rune pages instead, oh and paying CRAPLOADS of IP for mastery Emotes.

[JasonWazza]

I love how people are defending the change with "now you don't have to buy runes"

Yeah now have fun buying rune pages instead, oh and paying CRAPLOADS of IP for mastery Emotes.

I mean, I get all the basic ones they set up, plus nine others because they let me keep all my prior pages?

So like, that feels like more than enough.

Yeah for players that already have everything it's fine, but there is a lot more issues for those who are stuck with the base 2.

Honestly, i have one setup for each champion, because they don't really even transfer within roles.

[JasonWazza]

I mean, you have tried using this client haven't you?

The amount of bugs i encountered being forced to quick make one for an ADC when i didn't do one, i failed the page, and it bugged the hell out on me and took ~2 minutes to make, and i only just got it done (with mistakes)

[JasonWazza]

In the context of this meta, is it best to play along and *also* invest more in damaging runes/masteries, or is it best to stick with what was advisable before and split rune/mastery investment more or less 60/40 between offense and defense?

This is basically dependant on whether you believe you can win your lane consistently with the full in power, or if you believe you need the defensive path as a crutch.

If your worse then your Elo, then running the defensive stuff would make your mistakes less punishing, though realistically only by minor amounts.

Personally my thing is that i take a lot of healing for my mid laners in the Ravenous hunter perk in the Domination tree, 2.5%+2.5% per unique enemy champ of spell damage healing is really strong, and running that on someone like Ahri (my personal favourite right now) stacks with her passive really well to mean your Q will heal a lot.

[JasonWazza]

If your going to use kleptomancy, you may as well be Ezreal.

[JasonWazza]

i wonder if his w interacts with summon aery to make his trades more favorable or something, or if the squish meta is behind the phenomenon (it seems that a lot the damage supports are significantly up in winrate)

His W (move speed boost) wouldn't But Aery can be used on any champions auto attacks.

I take it on Ahri and get loads of harass off early with it nearly every game.

[JasonWazza]

Having just tried in the practice tool, the W doesn't give Teemo Aery shielding.

Tried Ivern as well, Aery doesn't shield him, but it will shield allies.

So i would guess that no self cast ability manages to get Aery to shield you.

EDIT: And as an aside, a thing to note for Aery, is that until you have more AP then AD, Aery does Physical Damage.

[JasonWazza]

I would have thought tempo would be kog'maw?

[JasonWazza]

Spoiler: Bug

This is why i have issues with expecting players to not have to buy multiple rune pages, this is me attempting to edit a rune page before a game.

[JasonWazza]

Yes me showing the possible bug and why you should pre-make rune pages is totally a bad thing

[JasonWazza]

oh and the bug is reproducible (and fixable). It occurs when you are in the middle of a rune page, and something pulls you away from it forcibly with it being an incomplete configuration. If you have any invalid rune pages, it will conk your whole shit.

I mean... you say this, but this was just after logging in, and i hadn't gone anywhere near the runes.

[JasonWazza]

I mean, it basically becomes is 300 gold worth trading for biscuits, and honestly it's very debatable between them.

And unless your going Zhonya's first item, then the price decrease means a bit less.

[JasonWazza]

They're using mobile phone numbers tied to accounts to prevent smurfing in Clash, it seems. And knowing the way riot works, it's probably ALSO a beta test to require them for ranked to prevent smurfing.

Wait, i thought Riot had nothing against smurfing, is this something they have said recently?

[JasonWazza]

They're using mobile phone numbers tied to accounts to prevent smurfing in Clash, it seems. And knowing the way riot works, it's probably ALSO a beta test to require them for ranked to prevent smurfing.

Wait, i thought Riot had nothing against smurfing, is this something they have said recently?

In the video that released today about 2017 and plans for 2018, yes.

Well thankfully having just watched that video, it doesn't sound like something that is going to come into actual ranked, and seems solely pointed at the clash mode.

[JasonWazza]

I managed to somehow lose to anivia the most, and win against Sion the most, which feels really odd.

Also died a crap ton to vayne, and because of my hatred for yasuo, killed the most yasuo's.

[JasonWazza]

Also why are so many ADCs buying guinsoos at the moment?

Hard to counter the damage it brings, as it brings magic damage.

And a lot of ADC's synergize fairly well with it (vayne W, Varus W etc.).

[JasonWazza]

Yes it does.

There is a list here;
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/G ... ade#On-Hit Effects

[JasonWazza]

mine was below average for bronze rip

Yeah but bronze wards aren't worth anything anyway because of map awareness.

[JasonWazza]

mine was below average for bronze rip

Yeah but bronze wards aren't worth anything anyway because of map awareness.

But like....I don't even get the wards on the map. I also don't level vision abilities

Honestly, knowing where the enemy is likely to be/general map awareness is so much better then warding skills anyway.

Especially since in my experience, gold players ward's are still pretty damn worthless.

[JasonWazza]

I mean silver (especially low silver) are basically bronze but worse attitudes in a lot of scenarios.

It's just how a lot of it goes in this game, from the fact that you start ranked at ~silver 4-5 for the start of your first provisional's, to the fact that basically every Tier 5's players are generally worse then the tier 1's player of the tier below.

Too many people are just stuck above the rank they should be because you can't demote down from a higher tier without being like the lower tier ~4

[JasonWazza]

how does tyler1 have 80k viewers??

Because Riot made him hugely popular with the ban.

EDIT: Also PBE changes for support items are dumb.

They are removing all the rewards for the items, and changing them to "gain a sightstone" well removing sightstone, so be prepared to see support items on laners even more then they already are.

[JasonWazza]

It seems dumb to me.

I get the fringe cases they are doing it for (Panth/Cassio, champs that can harass massively with no major amount of counter play) but in the end this change just seems like it's promoting champs without skillshots that do damage in minion waves (Think Riven) over other champions simply because it's not point and click.

If the change was "if you deal damage to an enemy, then you take agro" that makes more sense, this just feels... awkward and like they are punishing the champions that the change is done to in particular.

[JasonWazza]

t do damage in minion waves (Think Riven)

...except for the part where these champs autoattack you as part of their combo so take minion damage anyways (ex. Riven's damage actually comes from the autos she weaves in between her spells, not the spells itself).

And then a lot of the spells they did it for that are targeted generally are also going to get agro due to auto's.

The issue comes down to "why do all this when it's only for fringe case champs, and why not do it to everything instead?"

I could go through the list saying and you should probably draw agro with auto's anyway, and it's probably like 70%+ of the list

[JasonWazza]

Ekko is always a fairly strong champion in mid, even when counter picked because he can farm with Q and his early build bursts the shit out of people (revolver+sheen)

[JasonWazza]

Riot is focused on the money, and i'm sure there are lots of people who play zoe, so not really sure why there is surprise/anger here.

[JasonWazza]

Was it actually a nerf?

I was under the impression it was a low key buff if i'm being honest.

[JasonWazza]

If you're talking about the 8.5 changes, those haven't happened yet and it's definitely a buff (they say it is) but how much of one is T B D

Oh my bad, i'm on OCE and ahead of things and thought this was what was being talked about.

I honestly didn't even notice she got changes in 8.4

[JasonWazza]

Honestly, it got overshadowed with all the mage item changes.

[JasonWazza]

So legit question, how hard is it in America/Europe to get a second phone number?

Because in Australia it's relatively easy, and i don't think Riot are getting access to the names behind the numbers.