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Post Post #252  (isolation #0)  » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:32 am

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Post Post #257  (isolation #1)  » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:23 pm

we should be lynching
VOTE: nn30 for writing 1000 fake posts
dave for being worthless and never being on the same wagon as nn

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Post Post #259  (isolation #2)  » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:56 pm

@dave
I think I counted 4 posts where you said anything that might be useful

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Post Post #263  (isolation #3)  » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:40 pm

In post 260, Tenshii wrote:
In post 257, TTTT wrote:VOTE: nn30 for writing 1000 fake posts

What posts are fake?

there are a bunch in a row that are acting







and his few posts that look like analysis are superficial


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Post Post #266  (isolation #4)  » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:02 am

@nn
what you've described sounds like too much work
no thanks.

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Post Post #269  (isolation #5)  » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:30 pm

@HS
what's it gonna take to get you to move your vote to nn?

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Post Post #270  (isolation #6)  » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:32 pm

@dave
the ideal time to bus your buddy nn is right about now
if you jump on the wagon too late it will be obvious
just trying to be helpful

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Post Post #310  (isolation #7)  » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:22 am

@Mew
why the hard defense of nn?
what makes 1000 fake posts townie?

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Post Post #323  (isolation #8)  » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:27 pm

apparently Creature thinks obnoxious = town
yourself excluded, of course, Tenshii

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Post Post #325  (isolation #9)  » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:20 pm

In post 310, TTTT wrote:@Mew
why the hard defense of nn?
what makes 1000 fake posts townie?

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Post Post #341  (isolation #10)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:55 am

In post 339, nn30 wrote:
Also, what are your thoughts on TTTT?

We share a wagon (you)
And Creature just gave associatives
your question is shallow

Can we plz lynch this plz?

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Post Post #346  (isolation #11)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:34 pm

mew & shadow are magicians
disappearing like this before deadline

@Vedith
I don't think anyone's going to move votes
final reads?

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Post Post #347  (isolation #12)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:35 pm

@Tenshii
would you rather see nn or Vedith lynched?

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Post Post #354  (isolation #13)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:00 pm

In post 331, ChaosOmega wrote:Vedith (3) - Human Sequencer, PsychoticDave, shaddowez
Creature (2) - Vedith, Mewtaph
TTTT (2) - Tenshii, nn30
nn30 (2) - Creature, TTTT


this VC has remained unchanged since , over two days ago
under these plurality voting rules scum should have made a move if Vedith is scum
all they need to save scum!Vedith is a slight swing onto another existing wagon
and there are three other wagons!
town should recognize that this means either Vedith is town
or Vedith and I are scum and I'm terrible scum hard-defending against my partner's lynch
PLEASE TELL ME TOWN SEES THIS!

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Post Post #362  (isolation #14)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:36 pm

In post 270, TTTT wrote:@dave
the ideal time to bus your buddy nn is right about now
if you jump on the wagon too late it will be obvious
just trying to be helpful


lol

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Post Post #365  (isolation #15)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:38 pm

In post 360, Tenshii wrote:That vote changes everything.


yep

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Post Post #366  (isolation #16)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:40 pm

Unofficial

Vedith (2) - Human Sequencer, shaddowez
Creature (2) - Vedith, Mewtaph
TTTT (2) - Tenshii, nn30
nn30 (3) - Creature, TTTT, PsychoticDave

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Post Post #374  (isolation #17)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:44 pm

I'm either staying put on nn or turbo-lynching dave
don't wanna lynch Creature or Vedith

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Post Post #382  (isolation #18)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:54 pm

I prefer nn
but I won't fight this at deadline
VOTE: shaddowez

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Post Post #383  (isolation #19)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Unofficial

Vedith (2) - Human Sequencer
Creature (2) - Vedith, Mewtaph
TTTT (1) - nn30
nn30 (1) - PsychoticDave
shaddowez (3) Creature, Tenshii, TTTT

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Post Post #385  (isolation #20)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:02 pm

I'm good with Creature's townbloc
except for Dave who is boasting of coasting
I think I can sort Mew later if we are both alive (null)
nn is more likely to flip scum than shaddow
Human? I don't even remember anything he's done

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Post Post #392  (isolation #21)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:10 pm

I'm leaving for a Christmas Party
so my vote is locked in

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Post Post #437  (isolation #22)  » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:20 pm

^How astute
one day I'm writing a book on mafia
a chapter will be entitled "Captain Theodore Obvious reminds the game that he has the same townie thoughts as the real town: The nn30 story"

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Post Post #442  (isolation #23)  » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 434, ChaosOmega wrote:I don't want to end the day with a third of the game either needing replacement or will imminently need one. Suspending deadline for now, sorry for short notice.


translation:
scum aren't active and need to be replaced before night starts

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Post Post #445  (isolation #24)  » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:39 pm

you got a better reason for why a deadline is indefinitely postponed in a game with "most votes" lynching rules?

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Post Post #475  (isolation #25)  » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:29 am

I'll be V/LA until Dec. 26 but will probably be able to check in a couple times.

VOTE: nn

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Post Post #517  (isolation #26)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:02 am

@Grendel
why Dave over nn?
Dave is scum for playing bad to make town think he wouldn't do that intentionally
nn is scum for 1000 reasons
neither is likely chosen so we are safe lynching here either way

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Post Post #584  (isolation #27)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:32 pm

In post 575, Grendel wrote:Why would scum be avoiding town!Dave?

Town!Dave seems like the kind of mislynch scum save for later

HS is practically offering marriage proposals to nn
so I'm re-reading both of them
also, I agree with Creature that scum might not push chosen town so soon
I think that kind of analysis should be saved for late game

semi-V/LA the next two days

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Post Post #639  (isolation #28)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:57 pm

VOTE: Hiraki L-1

I look forward to your catchup post.

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Post Post #699  (isolation #29)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:48 pm

In post 641, PsychoticDave wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki




At least for a split second, you thought I hammered.


Anyway, I'm going to look at Hiraki's ISO.

In post 642, PsychoticDave wrote:Okay... so...
I townread Hiraki...


You Iso'd Hiraki in 3 minutes?
And you claimed Chosen Townie? :lol:

VOTE: Dave

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Post Post #702  (isolation #30)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:50 am

In post 700, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 699, TTTT wrote:
In post 641, PsychoticDave wrote:UNVOTE: Hiraki




At least for a split second, you thought I hammered.


Anyway, I'm going to look at Hiraki's ISO.

In post 642, PsychoticDave wrote:Okay... so...
I townread Hiraki...


You Iso'd Hiraki in 3 minutes?
And you claimed Chosen Townie? :lol:

VOTE: Dave

Should it take longer to read less than a page?


Spoiler: you read this in 3 minutes?
In post 458, Hiraki wrote:Hi - will catch-up either tonight or tomorrow morning. Aiming for tonight.

In post 460, Hiraki wrote:
In post 7, PsychoticDave wrote:VOTE: Vedith
Scum 100%. This is a serious vote.
This is a bad vote but it's RVS so whatever.

In post 19, Creature wrote:(fun fact: my RVS votes tend to be slightly serious if the player I vote already posted)
Then I really don't like your vote.

In post 22, Human Sequencer wrote:No, it was a gambit. Based on your question that I baited you into asking, you are scum, and Human has been acting really towny while at l-1. I also buy their claim.
VOTE: Vedith
Die scum die.
Small townpoints.

In post 36, Creature wrote:What are the other reasonings to put someone at L-1 without warning?
I hope this is the D1 flip. If not, work needs to be done.

If I was new, I would do the same thing that my predecessor did. I don't agree with it but I understand where he is coming from.

In post 90, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 89, Creature wrote:If you vote Vedith, you might hammer a chosen townie.

That can be said about literally anyone.
You're taking these two too seriously.

In post 100, PsychoticDave wrote:I'm getting the feeling that Creature is Mafia and knows who the Chosen Townies are, so he's trying to act like he doesn't know.
I hope you explain this.

Tenshii's vote in 111 is fantastic and is probably the best post of the game thusfar.

Mewtaph is pretty townie from 131. :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^))))))

In post 158, shaddowez wrote:Asks Misa for reads in 113, then sheeps a vote on her in 131 before she answers.
I was quite OK with my predecessor's vote and that's coming from someone who tries to usually say the opposite. What's wrong with a bit of pressure?

In post 167, Vedith wrote:I understood that he is Creature but why can't they be scum together? Your post indicates that Human is town 100%?
I buy this theory pretty hard and there's not a lot of scumslip theories that I buy.

In post 179, shaddowez wrote:
In post 167, Vedith wrote:I understood that he is Creature but why can't they be scum together? Your post indicates that Human is town 100%?


My post in no way says that. Let's start with the idea they're a scum team - there's no way Creature's RVS vote happens like that. He draws way too much attention to both of them during RVS by putting Human at L-1 and then unvoting. It's RVS, he could have easily avoided the wagon entirely and it's doubtful anybody would have thought anything of it.

Now, if Creature's town like I think he is, then his behavior makes sense regardless of if Human is scum or town. Creature doesn't know, so putting an RVS wagon at L-1 is terrible. If Human is town, it allows for a derphammer/quickhammer. With 1 page into the game, I can't imagine town having a solid enough read on someone to risk that.
I either don't buy this or fully understand this.

Are you kind of guesstimating if a scum team would do something on D1 to save themselves? It's a bit too theory heavy for me with no flips.

In post 186, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 185, Tenshii wrote:Then do you have reads?

Alternatively, I don't understand any townreads on Dave.

Nope.
Vedith and I rarely 100% agree but when we do, it's kind of bad. This behavior is really quite intolerable.

In post 193, Human Sequencer wrote:Unsure on shadow. Need more.
It's either 'probably town' or 'probably scum' once I work out his personality though, none of this 'kinda' bullshit.
Very faint buddying here tbh

In post 207, PsychoticDave wrote:
In post 206, nn30 wrote:All you do is shit post. We've asked you to share thoughts too.

You clearly haven't read any of my posts.
Really? I hope this stuff doesn't continue.

In post 228, Human Sequencer wrote:Vedith is setting up mislynches, this man knows who is town and who is scum and he knows both creature and I are town.
I don't buy this - mind explaining what you mean in this post a little in depth?

Really don't get the Dave TRs.

In post 259, TTTT wrote:@dave
I think I counted 4 posts where you said anything that might be useful
too nice tbh, hopefully your posts will make Misa's mistakes look better - Misa always seems weird.

In post 264, nn30 wrote:Back it up. Link to everything you've just linked to, but this time, with an explanation for why you think I'm acting in each of those particular posts. Then tell me why you think my analysis is superficial. Then tell me how my 'acting posts' aren't just town poking and prodding in the way that I play town and are, in fact, scum motivated. Then tell me how my 'analysis' as you see it is scum motivated. Then we can begin to have a conversation.
This is fair. I don't think it's very fair to just post something without content.

oo 282 is a bad vote, I apologize for Mewtaph for being such a cuck - would've rather voted shadoweh

In post 292, Creature wrote:Lynch preferences (no order):
Mewtaph
nn30
shaddowez
These are some pretty shitty scumreads (less shaddowez) tbh

In post 302, shaddowez wrote:All you do is say I'm scum for lurking/dodging, but would rather lynch somebody else first.
I don't agree with this.

In post 302, shaddowez wrote:Additionally, if you actually thought I was scum way back in 165 for a "scum slip", you would've pushed me a hell of a lot harder.
I agree with this.

In post 319, Creature wrote:Oh nvm
Not a fan of this at all

In post 326, PsychoticDave wrote:I've still said all I have to say.
I'm just waiting for the day to end.
Mod: Just in case this happens again, you have the right to enforce content-related prods.

I'm not playing with a player with such an attitude like you again.

I don't get the point of trying to figure out pairings without a flip. Can we not do that?

In post 413, Tenshii wrote:
In post 410, Creature wrote:nn30 and Tenshii
What's your opinion on Human?

I don't have one. What's yours?
I don't like this - you were doing really well too.

In post 438, PsychoticDave wrote:VOTE: shaddowez
I would much much rather lynch you than anyone else for this vote.

There's a difference for "wanting the day to end" and voting for no reason. This is /literally/ going to happen again tomorrow.

In post 449, shaddowez wrote:I'd rather a Vedith lynch, but with the slot replacing anyway I'll do this.
I really liked everything else in this post but this and this was probably the most important part.

Why does the player make a difference if your read on the slot was dependent on the slot? That might sound redundant but I hope I'm getting my point somewhat across.

In post 459, PsychoticDave wrote:I just want the day to end so we actually have evidence for these accusations rather than accusing people for not being active enough.
Please play the game. This is horrendous play regardless what role you have. The fact that this is UNANIMOUS among all players in the game should say something to you.

Here's my opinion of the current people alive (please read below before voting so quickly m8ys):

Human Sequencer - I need to re-read these posts in ISO. Vedith was very much adamant but I'm not sure if I agree with that push. I would rather Human live to D2 rather than be a D1 lynch.

PsychoticDave - Player who is ruining the game by being a baby about the game. This is an OK D1 lynch for all of the wrong reasons. I would really rather a replacement (sorry mod)

shaddowez - I'm OK with a lynch on this slot. Would give a lot of good reads and isn't very consistent in scumreads (n.b. that the reads part is moreso focusing on townreads)

Tenshii - Generally town, I would also like to ISO to confirm some of the failures in his current play (last few pages)

Grendel - I TR'd Vedith but it was very weak.

Creature - Town due to interactions not so much due to content.

TTTT - Scumread only due to Misa stuff - definitely not a D1 lynch.

nn30 - Would like to look into TTTT's claims. I will admit that if I skimmed anyone's posts the most, it was here.

Won't be voting until I finish doing some due diligence on the above. Reads are subject to change based off of that. Also note that these reads are coming out of finishing the review of the game and not taking a step back and looking at my review at a whole. It is definitely an incomplete work.

In post 463, Hiraki wrote:Rather TTTT atm tbh

In post 461, shaddowez wrote:No - I'm saying I don't think that scum would put a buddy to L-1 in RVS, then immediately unvote and say "I didn't realize they were at L-1". Is it possible, yes, but that early in the game it read more as town to me.
can't buy this tbh but I appreciate the explanation

In post 461, shaddowez wrote:If the slot is actually scum, it's usually easy to identify with the replacement, but I like to give them a chance.
Agreeable - I can do the same. Difference of opinion in this case.

In post 461, shaddowez wrote:Secondly, I hate the idea of lynching an empty (ie waiting for a replacement), because at that point it's basically like a lurker/policy lynch.
Same.

If I had to rate lynch candidates, you'd be the lowest on my scum-tiered list

In post 466, Hiraki wrote:
In post 464, Creature wrote:Are you scumreading Dave other than him being anti-town?
don't really even have a scum-town read, it's just bad gameplay

In post 472, Hiraki wrote:Why are you voting Dave when nn is a lower scumread? Really don't like that vote, nevertheless the reads list

Unvote

In post 494, Hiraki wrote:From my last post, there were a few things that I needed to look at a bit more closely. For formatting (read: you can ignore if you're not interested in reading thoughts that are basically equivalent to just internal recap) here is what this post will discuss:

1) Human Sequencer ISO
2) nn30 ISO
3) Creature ISO
4) Current Updates & Vote

1) Human Sequencer ISO

This should be the shortest of the three based on what I am seeing pretty early on - nothing really commentable.

Very adamant on Vedith scum and using connections based off that for reads. I don't really like that but it's not a scumtell.

In post 311, Human Sequencer wrote:yes, shadow is misunderstanding Vedith's post and the ruleset and this makes him -town-


A) Why isn't this just a person making a mistake rather than town making a mistake?
B) Can you explain your Creature townread a little more? Specific examples would be nice. The only reference I can see is your reference to 231 (in 240) and I don't see how you get that it's a town post. It's literally just his opinions - is he town for agreeing with your thoughts?

Really would like more content. Just null overall tbh after doing some reading.

2) nn30 ISO

In post 58, nn30 wrote:I'm not a fan of lynching this early in the game.

I agree that Vedith has been basically jacking off since the beginning of the game and doing this is not helpful to town. That said, I see no reason to lynch so early. I'm not confident enough in a Vedith lynch and we'd lose out on a lot of juicy info.

Human - I don't think you'd be so brazen as scum to advocate for a page 3 lynch. Town reading you.
Someone (sorry, it's a bit late so I'm not checking whom) notes this inconsistency. It's kind of bad.

In post 80, nn30 wrote:
In post 74, Vedith wrote:
In post 72, Creature wrote:Yeah, we're missing 5-6 players.


Yeah this is why the games going to be so slow. And more of a reason why Human wants me dead, no town speak = easy scum win.


Right... So you're scum reading human and voting me because...?
This is a bad post for someone that is experience - nn30 doesn't sound dumb.

In post 94, nn30 wrote:
In post 89, Creature wrote:If you vote Vedith, you might hammer a chosen townie.


This is such stupid logic. Are you trolling?
I'm not a fan of this post either for the above reasons. There is really no logic here.

In post 115, nn30 wrote:
In post 107, Vedith wrote:OMG, I did it! I'm the chosen one!


Actually, scum!Creature choosing you specifically to defend (and ignoring me) could suggest that I'm the Chosen townie.
I'm very confused. You've been an advocate of not lynching quickly but you're not taking off your vote nor are you letting off on this scumread.

I also don't like that by ISO 40, nn30 has basically voted anyone who has accused him of anything. I can get a vote on here.

3) Creature ISO

This will happen after 25th. I don't think I will be voting Creature though.

4) As per above:

I would be OK voting NN or Shadoweh. NN would cause lynch tho so I will wait.

In post 515, Hiraki wrote:
In post 498, nn30 wrote:Human's ISO is full of commentable stuff.
I'm really not sure where you can comment on anything.

It's very bland and full of short posting. It's the exact reason I wanted to revisit his ISO.

Grendel wrote:Was an incredibly arbitrary point to draw out. Hiraki is an intelligent enough player that he should be able to read between the lines. I definitely feel like such a surface level observation has scummy motives.
I am still waiting for an answer. What are the benefits in this situation?

I'm not a huge fan of your answer when you say the following:

1) Hiraki is smart enough to know why I'm doing this
2) Hiraki might not know how I play the game and therefore that's why he doesn't know why I do this

Which is it?

In post 522, Hiraki wrote:Vote: nn

as promised basically in my last post

would rather this over dave even if he's being useless

In post 525, Hiraki wrote:
In post 523, Human Sequencer wrote:I don't read him as a particularly experienced or logical player
I read him as a player that is trying to be both - are you calling him a noob? I'm not going after Dave tbh, I 100% agree that he's being arrogant but I would rather lynch scum rather than arrogance.

In post 562, Hiraki wrote:
In post 529, Grendel wrote:I've explicitly said that you've seen me favor lynching secondary/tertiary scum reads over my primary ones.
Keyword: might - there were no definite in my statement. This is literally the first time we have played. If I'm wrong, I honestly don't remember off-hand.

I actually did not know. I know people that do that and I know people like me who do not enjoy quick compromises on second/third scumreads if they're that far down the list.

In post 526, Human Sequencer wrote:I believe his actions and mindset are more consistent with 'inexperienced town' than any kind of scum.
We'll have to agree to disagree on both points then (i.e. 527)

Dave just looks like he's mad that he joined a game that had people he didn't like playing with but because he doesn't want to be an asshole and replace out, he's decided to be an asshole and stay in.

In post 547, Grendel wrote:His wagon lacks the fluidly of many others this game. Wouldn'y that mean that scum don't want this lynch to happen?
This is very assumptive. Dave is also the one player people are uneasy to comment on. I don't think it's due to alignment reasons.

In post 553, Creature wrote:shaddowez posting once per day (sometimes once per two days) is irritating, though, I'm not sure if that's how scum posts looking at his last posts.
I hate asking theory/player questions but I feel like you have an opinion that you can catch scum based on how they post rather than what they post? Is that true?

In post 565, Hiraki wrote:Isn't that what town does too? Don't want to get boggled down into this theory stuff, just trying to figure out where your methods are coming from.

In post 590, Hiraki wrote:
In post 574, Human Sequencer wrote:Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment so scumhunting isn't a priority for them.
Cheeky. I enjoyed this.

@Grendel:

I'm going to drop the argument for the same reasons that you are but I would like to make it clear that you and I have not played a game together therefore you cannot push the assertion that I know how you think in game.

Grendel wrote:I just checked out Dave's other games. He does get mislynched a lot.
I'm being very lazy. Does he usually act like this? Or does it have a lot to do with the playerlist?

In post 638, Hiraki wrote:Sorry - I'm focused on another game that's ending at the moment. I will read this this evening.

In post 640, Hiraki wrote:oh jeez are you serious how did things get this bad

this other game shouldn't last more than a few hours but we're at endgame so I'm going to retain focus there

i sincerely hope you guys aren't voting me because i decided not to talk here but was talking in that other game

In post 647, Hiraki wrote:dave you never even voted me - I'm going to shuffle a bit but you guys are voting me because you don't townread me while being on a wagon?

here's my defense:

In post 648, Hiraki wrote:also dave you never voted me

In post 650, Hiraki wrote:XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

In post 656, Hiraki wrote:
In post 652, Creature wrote:And no, I wasn't scumreading you for not posting.
Does wasn't imply that you're not anymore or do we still need to resolve our differences?

In post 661, Hiraki wrote:
In post 655, Human Sequencer wrote:Hiraki, what is your read on Dave, and what do you think about Dave's read on you? Does it seem grounded and realistic?
it's hard to get a read on Dave - at least he's being cooperative today, I guess - hopefully he doesn't get to the point where he's needed all that he's needed to say again

I don't know if you can apply the word grounded and realistic to Dave's play either but yeah - I don't think that it's inappropriate to call someone a townread if they haven't done anything scummy.

Dave is a good lynch for reasons that should not be good reasons - I can't call him scummy tho, just anti-town null if that makes sense - I think it's very cute that Dave references this in 573.

In post 658, Creature wrote:
In post 656, Hiraki wrote:
In post 652, Creature wrote:And no, I wasn't scumreading you for not posting.
Does wasn't imply that you're not anymore or do we still need to resolve our differences?

I'm undecided.
but you don't want to talk about it

alrighty

t-that's fine

In post 659, Creature wrote:What do you think about this post? (It happened when shaddowez was the top wagon and deadline was about to expire before the mod announced a new one)
Shaddowehz has been a consistent scumread for me. I don't think I've thoroughly examined that post. I'll get back to you with my opinion on it tonight, if you don't mind? Not something that I think I can answer to the best of my ability while juggling.

Human wrote:Do you see anything interesting in it? I don't see it as particularly telling towards scum or town, other than that I feel like scumShadow would probably be more passive and/or hurried/rushed in that context.
Is this based off of meta?

In post 667, Hiraki wrote:
In post 663, Human Sequencer wrote:What was the intention of that question?
Yes

In post 686, Hiraki wrote:472 isn't a defense of dave as much as it is a question of Grendel's reads - will post comprehensively later

In post 690, Hiraki wrote:I'm busy to write anything that i'd be satisfied to die with so don't

In post 695, Hiraki wrote:
In post 688, Human Sequencer wrote:I knew you'd say that.
Actually - what does this mean?

Is this not the logical conclusion anyone would get at?

In post 697, Hiraki wrote:i apologize, i've been misreading your posts

no more juggling

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Post Post #706  (isolation #31)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:57 am

That's almost exactly what I expected as a scum response.
An expected townie response from Dave would have been something like...
"His ISO was full of unreadable wall posts. I skimmed and it didn't look like scum."

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Post Post #716  (isolation #32)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:44 am

@Tenshii
Plz explain your Dave TR

@Hiraki
In 707 did you mean to say "if he flips scum"?

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Post Post #722  (isolation #33)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:09 am

Will the three voteless players plz take a stand?

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Post Post #733  (isolation #34)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:06 pm

In post 729, Human Sequencer wrote:What out of these two realities seems more realistic to you?
1. Dave is town. Dave spends all game posting nothing of value. As soon as Dave is run up, he claims chosen to try and get Human lynched because he believes Human is scum, even though he knows he may not be chosen. He gambles that the other players won't bother reading into the setup, and instead hopes Human will be flashlynched. He then comes to believe that he is Chosen townie, based on Human pushing him.
2. Dave is scum. Dave gets run up, and then claims chosen because he misunderstands the setup and assumes that Chosen townies get a different role PM. As soon as he is proven wrong, he backs out of it and writes it off as a gambit. He then comes back later saying that he truly does believe he is Chosen, trying to subtly imply that he always thought that and that's why he claimed, even though he heavily backpedaled on the claim before.
That is an open question to everybody in this game except Dave.

#1 sounds more realistic
UNVOTE:
scum would be more aware of the mechanics in this set-up than town

Spoiler: setup from mod post
In post 1, ChaosOmega wrote:Special rules for this setup:
- During pre-game, the mafia will select one player to veto. This player cannot become a Chosen Townie. 2 of the remaining 6 townies will be randomly selected to become Chosen Townies.
- The mafia will be informed who the Chosen Townies are, but the Chosen Townies will not be informed.
- As long as both Chosen Townies are alive, neither can be night-killed or endgamed (1 or 2 Mafia Goons vs. 2 Chosen Townies is a town win)
- Chosen Townies will flip as Chosen Townies.
- Town cannot no-lynch; if no majority has been reached, whoever has the most votes at the end of the day is lynched. If there is a tie, whoever has had that many votes for longer will be lynched.


town not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role is more likely than scum not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role
Dave is likely town.
unless dave is clever scum who fake-claimed to be town-read
I don't think dave is clever scum.

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Post Post #735  (isolation #35)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:21 pm

to avoid being lynched would be my guess
it's bad play regardless of alignment

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Post Post #736  (isolation #36)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:22 pm

wait.
yes town is more likely to mistakenly fake claim Chosen
but dave could still just be terrible scum.

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Post Post #770  (isolation #37)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:26 pm

@Dave
what are your thoughts on the recent Creature v. Tenshii posts?



also it's been almost 7 days since shaddowez posted...
In post 505, shaddowez wrote:Christmas weekend V/LA, but will attempt to get back tonight because of deadline

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Post Post #774  (isolation #38)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:13 pm

sorry
Human v. Tenshii posts.

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Post Post #782  (isolation #39)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:47 pm

In post 772, Creature wrote:I think that must be town!Loopdan.


plz elaborate

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Post Post #783  (isolation #40)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:00 pm

In post 775, PsychoticDave wrote:TvS. Human being the scum.

Also, I like how Human says I can't be Chosen Townie because I'm bad. Like that was a factor in the RNG role assignment.


where did Human say that?
also is human scum just for the push on you?

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Post Post #801  (isolation #41)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:40 pm

@umlaut
plz tell me there is more to your vote on Tenshii than VCA on day2 of a micro

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Post Post #802  (isolation #42)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:42 pm

In post 800, Creature wrote:Unless both scum were inactive, then we're more or less narrowing down scum.


inactive scum was my theory behind the day1 extension
so that would mean Hiraki-Umlaut
which now that I say it out loud sounds good

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Post Post #803  (isolation #43)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:42 pm

@Creature

In post 782, TTTT wrote:
In post 772, Creature wrote:I think that must be town!Loopdan.


plz elaborate

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Post Post #812  (isolation #44)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:06 pm

In post 805, Creature wrote:Like, you like questioning.


who?
what?
when?
where?
why?
how?

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Post Post #813  (isolation #45)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:06 pm

In post 812, TTTT wrote:
In post 805, Creature wrote:Like, you like questioning.


who?
what?
when?
where?
why?
how?


^conftown
don't ever lynch this

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Post Post #814  (isolation #46)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:09 pm

In post 806, Hiraki wrote:
In post 802, TTTT wrote:
In post 800, Creature wrote:Unless both scum were inactive, then we're more or less narrowing down scum.


inactive scum was my theory behind the day1 extension
so that would mean Hiraki-Umlaut
which now that I say it out loud sounds good
The last two posts are reassuring me that it's you and Tenshii - what's your read on Tenshii atm?


I think his reason for TRing me is a stretch
why wouldn't scum!TTTT try to move the wagon off Vedith?
don't think that makes me town anymore than asking questions does

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Post Post #816  (isolation #47)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:28 pm

In post 815, Hiraki wrote:so then I do have to ask why are you SRing Umalut for something that Tenshii has been doing for literally this entire day


I asked umlaut a question
doesn't make him scum
I kinda liked his answer
and Tenshii looked real good at EOD and that counts for something

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Post Post #849  (isolation #48)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:14 pm

@Creature
why don't you like Tenshii?
or is it all PoE?

@Umlaut
badtown!Dave makes more sense than badscum!Dave

EBWOP:
@Human
exactly

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Post Post #863  (isolation #49)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:47 pm

I'd rather lynch hiraki
if dave is town he's more likey chosen than hiraki is chosen if he is town
and I think dave is a scum-planned day2or3 mis-lynch since he first opened his mouth back in day1
and if he's town once he has three votes scum will do nothing until deadline

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Post Post #867  (isolation #50)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:51 pm

@Umlaut
Creature-Human-Tenshii are my TRs

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Post Post #869  (isolation #51)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:53 pm

In post 864, Ümläüt wrote:I just don't see it. But granting this point arguendo, it's still true that Dave is not the sort of player we want hanging around for lylo, or the sort of player the Mafia is going to kill for us.

Anyway, explain again why bad town makes an impossible fakeclaim, then retracts it, then tries to find some sort of middle ground between retracting it and not.

from :
scum would be more aware of the mechanics in this set-up than town...
town not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role is more likely than scum not realizing that Chosen aren't notified of their role

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Post Post #871  (isolation #52)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:00 pm

In post 868, Human Sequencer wrote:TTTT, there is no fucking way Dave is chosen unless you buy into scumHuman.


why does everyone think scum would hard-push chosen town?
if I'm scum this game I'm trying to stay off any chosen wagons
or at least not try and push too much
if Dave flips Chosen I'm TRing Human so hardd

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Post Post #892  (isolation #53)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:12 am

Creature is basically confChosen
no way scum skips the NK if they can kill him

VOTE: Hiraki
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Post Post #916  (isolation #54)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:55 am

In post 901, Creature wrote:Mafia needs to kill the other Chosen Townie so they can kill me.


^this

the moment I saw Hiraki's flip I realized it has to be Umlaut
Still TRing Tenshii for day1 EOD
Human is town from the Dave push day2
not sure why human thinks I'm gunning for them

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Post Post #919  (isolation #55)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:36 pm

In post 917, Ümläüt wrote:
In post 916, TTTT wrote:the moment I saw Hiraki's flip I realized it has to be Umlaut

Explain?

Still TRing Tenshii for day1 EOD
Human is town from the Dave push day2

...and Creature would be dead if scum could kill him = confChosen

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Post Post #954  (isolation #56)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:27 am

@Human
your theory is that in a two-scum game scum!TTTT hard-pushes his partner then jumps off the wagon and hard-defends after it looks like the lynch is inevitable?

Umlaut wants me dead
which more and more makes me think I'm chosen

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Post Post #965  (isolation #57)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:00 pm

if I flip Chosen you need to lynch in Umlaut-Human tomorrow
if I flip VT then lynch in Umlaut-Tenshii

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Post Post #967  (isolation #58)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:05 pm

before I'm lynched
plz show how any of my pushes/votes were beneficial towards a scum wincon
this is bad town blinded by an exotic set-up

Pedit: some sense!

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Post Post #971  (isolation #59)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:03 pm

yep, I'm chosen
The two most likely scum both want me dead

@Human
Umlaut is prob scum but look at Tenshii, too

See you in the dead thread Creature

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Post Post #1002  (isolation #60)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:48 pm

Great job town.

For whatever it's worth, this is my first scum loss. My prior three wins were all perfect scum wins.
Let's just say it ain't easy replacing into a scummy slot with a partner who claims Chosen Townie.

Damnit Dave!!!


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