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Post Post #48 (isolation #0) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:57 pm

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In post 42, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I've only played White Flag and Scumteam UnPick but I liked UnPick because it introduces a lot of probability into the game.
My favorite role is probably Bomb or BP because you can be aggressive during the day in scumhunting and it punishes scum for trying to NK you. Least favorite probably would be Innocent Child (sorry algebra :( )
I'd say I have no preference, but I do prefer PR hunting to scumhunting because it feels more rewarding to shoot a PR than it does to lynch a scum usually
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Hey! We're match 2 / 3. If you're town, we should make a town block.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:59 pm

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In post 8, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Real
Wut? Me and my slot lynch you.
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Post Post #55 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:46 pm

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Post Post #57 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:04 pm

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What? You're in that game!

Hi Dunn! Hi GM! *waves hand*

Which of you are scum?
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Post Post #59 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:07 pm

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Hear wut?
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Post Post #61 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:15 pm

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Post Post #62 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:16 pm

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THE 8 BALL HAS SPOKEN


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Post Post #64 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:18 pm

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Post Post #65 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:20 pm

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I would put TB as my gut town read #FirstImpression #StartingToBeSerious
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Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:22 pm

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I am serious with my TB as well.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:27 pm

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According to my reasearch, back in the past when I joined my newbie, even if RQS an option, is quite rare.

If it was RQS from the get go, I will discard it. However, we are RVS at the beginning, not RQS. The option to initiate RQS after RVS is interesting. I see that as a good intention, especially the question is mafia related.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:34 pm

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Disagree.

TB has two options at that point

A ] Attack the SuperHans wagon. Say conflict like "there is scum in that wagon"

B ] The RQS

TB I saw has a tendency to make fuss as scum, I would predict he go A]. The fact that he took the pacifist way was an alert--in a good sense.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:38 pm

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He has two OPTIONS. ALTERNATIVE. He didn't talk about SuperHans means HE DIDN'T TAKE THE OPTION.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:42 pm

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You're acting like it's either or between the two
There's a 3rd option on creating conversation?
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Post Post #78 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:50 pm

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But he did start up the conversation.

So ThinkBig starts with infinity decision, correct?

Code: Select all

ThinkBig -> ∞


He can post meme, he can naked vote. He can post Youtube Video

But he decided to initiate talking...

Code: Select all

ThinkBig -> Initiate talking -> ?


The ? is 2 options

[A] Accuse
RQS

I'm townreading him NOT because he start initiation. I townread him because he decided to start the initiation with RQS instead of accusation.

If you can provide the third way, englight me.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:53 pm

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I realize I didn't make it clear on the first post.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:06 pm

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What can ThinkBig could say? He's a straight forward player, a get-to-the-business, not Transcend. If we're talking about Transcend, oh Hallejuah. I'm an idiot for making that argument.

I mean, I see your merit, but for
first impression read
, I feel good. I feel it's ok to be naive at the beginning.

For an actual read later, in the game, I won't be that dense. It would be more analytical. I set a standard for my read, but not from get go. Not from get go.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:07 pm

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You seem frustrated, Dunn? That's quite early to be frustrated.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:10 pm

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I found it interesting that you actually rebuttal my read instead of "stahp" of "You're an idiot"
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Post Post #90 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:15 pm

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It's quite early in the game. I have seen frustated Dunn a lot but not this early.

In the old days, we just chill out, but when we get to mid-game, we became a serious analyst.

I'm just surprised that I triggered you THIS early. My, I must be that bad.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:23 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:Are you implying something?
At the beginning, I thought you are scum!Dunn trying to pocket me. Given the quite early confrontation, I only have town!Dunn meta and my meta of town!Dunn frustrated is not this early so....However, I have considered it as NAI (since you mentioned "I'm overestimating you", so I thought it's just play style confrontation, not over eager scum) and I'm just being paranoid.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #21) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:28 pm

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In post 94, Gamma Emerald wrote:I want to trap people with a certain post, see if anyone tries to pull shit on me
Assuming the trap is already deployed, that's quite early to trap someone, isn't it?
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Post Post #99 (isolation #22) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:35 pm

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In post 98, Dunnstral wrote:No seriously Realeo - where am I pocketing you? How?
My mind was like this. I didn't expect to have a serious exchange with Dunn this early, so I asked my self, "Why would Dunn try to exchange me?" I thought he tried to rebuttal me, establish "Dunnstral the town who tried to solve the game" etc. etc. Learning from my other games where (the impression of the people is) I am the one who tries to solve the game, it would be nice for scum!Dunn to buddy me and set the impression from get go.

When it was obvious that it's a play style confrontation, my mind "Oh, Ok. False alarm."
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Post Post #101 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:39 pm

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In post 100, Dunnstral wrote:ok. Now unvote me.
It's a RVS vote and you're @ L-6.
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Post Post #104 (isolation #24) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:45 pm

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So there's a scum sheeping me.

When it finds a better target, it would move. Gamma hasn't respond yet. If I move my vote, then you know my intent.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #25) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:54 pm

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I'm looking at the online list and ssbm_Kyouko is online!

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In post 107, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Sup man
Unless it wasn't obvious, it's a sarcastic "what's your stand or are you actively lurking?" :cop:
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In post 113, Superhans wrote:You also a druggo degenerate @Realo?
Been smoking too many lego bricks?
I googled "druggo degenerate" and the first article was "How drugs affect your sperm."

I prefer not to be questioned about my sexuality. Not on the anonymous internet.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:32 am

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In post 114, Superhans wrote:@Realo, What do you mean by there's a scum sheeping me?
The function of answering a question to help the confusion of the asker. I'm not sure where the confusion that I try to clear.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:37 am

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That makes more senses!

Dunn was L-6.

Dunn said unvote me "it'll become l5 or l4"

"So there's a scum sheeping me." means "If it becomes l5 or l4, there is a good chance that is a scum because who sheeped a RVS vote and causes it to become l5 or l4"
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Post Post #120 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:39 am

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In post 115, Realeo wrote:
In post 113, Superhans wrote:You also a druggo degenerate @Realo?
Been smoking too many lego bricks?
I googled "druggo degenerate" and the first article was "How drugs affect your sperm."

I prefer not to be questioned about my sexuality. Not on the anonymous internet.
I'm more to programminggo degenrete, tbf.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:47 am

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In post 111, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I've seen him ask the same questions before in a game I was spectating.
That's news to me. Scratch that TB TR.
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In post 124, Superhans wrote:@MariaR
What makes your vote serious, as opposed to the ones you made beforehand during RVS?

Can you elaborate beyond 5 words and a hashtag.
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Hello! Apparently everybody is active when I sleep.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:57 pm

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In post 133, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 132, algebra wrote:Realeo is probably town. I don't think scum would use a line of reasoning as absurd as Realeo's.
Real is null for me right now. In past games, he has usually been the vi.
Fun fact : I have been faking vi-ness even from my Newbies Games as any alignment! It helps to make sure not get lynched as any alignment!

The TB argument however, was not a fake vi, fyi.

And I don't think there is AI from that MariaR exchange. :doc:
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Post Post #178 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:58 pm

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In post 177, Realeo wrote:And I don't think there is AI from that MariaR exchange
Becuase of that, TB's vote scratch me the wrong way.

VOTE: TB
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Post Post #180 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:01 pm

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In post 179, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 177, Realeo wrote:Fun fact : I have been faking vi-ness
keep telling yourself that
If you check my Newbie Game, you would see that I showed my card, right there.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:04 pm

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In post 142, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 141, Dunnstral wrote:davesaz scummy
Why?
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Post Post #183 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:08 pm

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I see his 180 and I see nothing alarming. Even when I use my "dense Realeo" cap.
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Post Post #184 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:28 pm

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In post 183, Realeo wrote:I see his 180 and I see nothing alarming. Even when I use my "dense Realeo" cap.
*cough*
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Post Post #186 (isolation #40) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:08 pm

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In post 185, algebra wrote:You fake VI so you don't get lynched? That's sad.
If you don't want to help town, we'll make you

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Post Post #187 (isolation #41) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:14 pm

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And how does faking VI mean that I can't contribute? That's a narrow-minded dichotomy. You are assuming that I would be VI forever and can't change my play style.

The reason why I fake VI is scum hunting
is only half of the story
. I still need to dodge the lynch.

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Post Post #188 (isolation #42) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:15 pm

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In post 185, algebra wrote:You fake VI so you don't get lynched? That's sad.
If you don't want to help town, we'll make you

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So Innoncent Child. What you think of Superhans? I'm null but I think I may like him.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #43) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:59 pm

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In post 189, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Yeah, Realeo's last few posts, all the faux-VI ones, seem like they would come from a place of scum.

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Enlighten me. The faux-VI supposed to be a NAI.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:07 pm

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I mean, if I lied about my meta, that is scummy. If I explain my meta, what's wrong with that?
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Post Post #195 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:10 pm

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In post 193, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 190, Dunnstral wrote:
intent to hammer
He is at L-3.
@TB : It's a classic gambit.\

Hey TD! Explain how MariaR is AI?
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Post Post #197 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:18 pm

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So why you vote him and say "serious vote"?
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Post Post #199 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:38 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #219 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:11 am

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In post 204, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah we can do this lynch
I am kinda afraid that Jin will be like Hunger Games. He seems...consistently scummy and prefers not to solve it.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #49) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:22 am

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In post 206, Kop wrote:
In post 201, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 191, Realeo wrote:
In post 189, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Yeah, Realeo's last few posts, all the faux-VI ones, seem like they would come from a place of scum.

VOTE: Realeo
Enlighten me. The faux-VI supposed to be a NAI.
I take it as you saying that you are not going to play the tactic of being VI and attempt to play to your fullest so we shouldn't lynch you because you are going to play pro-town. That is something a scum would do to let everyone know they were "town" and to look else where. Its a failsafe to fall back on and shed votes at L-2 or L-1. "Hey, look, i said i was pro-town, give me a chance".
This is throwing shade.
Ok. Enlighten me.
Its a failsafe to fall back on and shed votes at L-2 or L-1. "Hey, look, i said i was pro-town, give me a chance".
1) You're scum reading me for something that is "hypothetical"???
"That is something a scum would do to let everyone know they were "town" and to look else where."
2) Dude. You said I try to shoo people away with 12 days remaining in the clock? I'm not that moronic.

You're even worse than my townread at TB!! Good thing I know to pull the limit.
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In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor
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Post Post #221 (isolation #50) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:28 am

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And we're hours approaching Christmas! Wheee!
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In post 225, Secret Agent Jin wrote:@Realeo i didnt say you are shedding attention now, i said IN THE FUTURE, you could use the arguement about pro-town/anti-vi to shed votes. I read you as scum, yes, but a competent scum.
So you scumread me, in THE FUTURE, not in THE PRESENT.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #52) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:45 pm

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Oh. So you happen to have scum meta of my gameplay? Let me hear it. I mean, if you can boldly say
will
, than it's something beyond reasonable doubt--not some paranoidism like ssbm_kyouko.
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It still doesn't explain why I am scum would use that tactic is
beyond reasonable doubt
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Post Post #231 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:34 pm

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I'd make it more obvious.

Your current state like "Realeo is compotent scum". That's just an assertion. Can go a bit further?
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Post Post #233 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:29 pm

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Your wording shows certainty. I still don't understand where the certainty comes from?
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Post Post #242 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 4:15 am

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In post 240, Kop wrote:He can't fool crumb doc role considering there is no doctor in this setup, or at least doesn't mention doctor being in this setup.

That is exactly the message of my sarcastic third role crumb.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:21 pm

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In post 243, MariaR wrote:I came here to say SAJ is town.
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In post 267, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Gamma

Afraid of what? Please explain your vote.
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Post Post #269 (isolation #58) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:25 pm

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Kyouko, Jin, hans is my gut town lean, but I reckon it would be easy come, easy go.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #60) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:26 pm

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So Gamma. What's your read? Your content:filter ratio, is surprisingly low.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #61) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:29 pm

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VOTE: Gamma

The last time I vote someone due to fillering, was a game in EpicMafia.com
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Post Post #310 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:31 pm

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In post 295, davesaz wrote:The Gamma wagon is in response to a clear joke based on username
No it's not? Only ThinkBig voted because of that.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:40 pm

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Gamma is capable of making content when the RVS is over, fyi.
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In post 329, Antihuman wrote:Dunnstral tr, I'd also tr Superhans and Realeo if they jumped off this pathetic Gamma wagon and followed me
With my meta at TB, he's being null. His logic is eccentric.
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In post 350, algebra wrote:Townreading GE for wanting more of my Super tr. Shows an actual interest in trying to get town on the right track.
Oh dear, if you are a believer of this logic and I am a scum, you're so damned.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:21 pm

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I can relate to the people who are getting town vibe from Gamma.

But I cannot relate to the people who are moving that extreme to the spectrum of "scum lean" -> "town lean"
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Post Post #358 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:36 pm

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Here's my problem with Gamma, after I saw him attacking Antihuman

1. When AH attack TB's RQS, GE said that he supports TB's RQS. If he does support TB's RQS, why GE doesn't support my TR at TB due to the RQS?

2. TB said that Dunn's reaction at l-6 -> l-5 is shitty. AH said TB's reaction is shitty. GE then said that AH is shitty in return because he agrees that Dunn's reaction is scummy.
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In post 102, Dunnstral wrote:It's about intent. Get off of me. I'm not getting lynched. Vote Gamma.
In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:Next thing you know I'll be l-5 followed by l-4
I find these two posts to be an over reaction and I'm not liking post 103.
Bullshit
I actually agree that being that concerned with a wagon is cause for suspicion.
I find it hard to relate because Gamma did not classify it as "scummy", he classif it as "funny"
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In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:Next thing you know I'll be l-5 followed by l-4
I find this post funny
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In post 94, Gamma Emerald wrote:I want to trap people with a certain post, see if anyone tries to pull shit on me
Not as funny as this one was
In post 255, Gamma Emerald wrote:Remember MeowMix pushing me for being aloof about my lynch?
That's what I find funny: the situational irony. You have the exact opposite reaction as I did.
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I mean, I agree that AH's case is "shitty".

But attacking a "shitty" case
with another
"shitty" case, is not a town tell. It can be used a reference for future TR, but standing alone, isolated, that's not a town tell.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:40 pm

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I understand that town contradicts them self all the time, but if Gamma is town contradicting, please help me God to explain why it comes from town.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:42 pm

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My current stand is that Antihuman is like Superhans,
awkward
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Post Post #394 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:35 pm

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Can I safely assume that those who vote AntiHuman thinks ThinkBig is town?
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Post Post #404 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 pm

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In post 396, Desperado wrote:
In post 394, Realeo wrote:Can I safely assume that those who vote AntiHuman thinks ThinkBig is town?
No, not for me
So you scumread him?
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Post Post #406 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:14 pm

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In post 405, Desperado wrote:@ Realeo: Think could be scum yeah. Don't like that he started the RQS and then didn't analyze any of the responses, and his response to Antihuman's push is very limp. Scum theater is definitely a possibility.
But you voted Gamma Emerald???
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Post Post #408 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:15 pm

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In post 407, Desperado wrote:Yes I did.


.....?
You're sugesting GE, TB, AH?
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Post Post #409 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:17 pm

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@To the people who are voting AntiHuman


If you scumread AH, how come you didn't scumread ThinkBig?
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Post Post #411 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:18 pm

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He said scum theater?
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Post Post #414 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:20 pm

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In post 412, Dunnstral wrote:Also why are you trying to push it that one of AH/TB has to be scum?
I'm having hard time processing why people are triggered by AH, but not by TB.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:20 pm

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@Desperado: Now that I remember that you're replacement slot, I'm cool with you.
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In post 412, Dunnstral wrote:Also why are you trying to push it that one of AH/TB has to be scum?
:?:
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Post Post #418 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:24 pm

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In post 417, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 415, Realeo wrote:@Desperado: Now that I remember that you're replacement slot, I'm cool with you.
Why does that matter?
He didn't have a chance to vote TB.
Realeo wrote:
In post 412, Dunnstral wrote:Also why are you trying to push it that one of AH/TB has to be scum?
:?:
Are you not?
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Post Post #438 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:09 pm

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In post 436, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh I agree that Real feels scummy. The strange equating of TB and AH suggests scum trying to fake associations.
Did I say TB/AH scum team?

I said triggered.

Like for example. If you are triggered by SuperHans but not triggered by AntiHuman, I personally would be shocked because if you're triggered by SuperHans, how come you are not triggered by AntiHuman who is
worse
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Smae logic with AntiHuman + ThinkBig.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #82) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:12 pm

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I mean, everybody has their own scumhunting-o-meter right? Each player has their own "threshold meter" between
Ah, he's fine. It's just reasonable doubt!
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Beyond reasonable doubt, eat this rope!


If you scumread AntiHuman but not ThinkBig, either you have double standard as town, or are you faking one as scum.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #83) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:14 pm

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In post 427, davesaz wrote:
In post 414, Realeo wrote:
In post 412, Dunnstral wrote:Also why are you trying to push it that one of AH/TB has to be scum?
I'm having hard time processing why people are triggered by AH, but not by TB.
Do you think they did similar things or something?
They have been quite verbose with their opinion, don't they?
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Post Post #443 (isolation #84) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:15 pm

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In post 442, Alisae wrote:Hi! Let me read up on shit before I do reads and all that good stuff. Anything specific ywall want me to go over?
AntiHuman is the buzzword.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #85) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:17 pm

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In post 425, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 414, Realeo wrote:
In post 412, Dunnstral wrote:Also why are you trying to push it that one of AH/TB has to be scum?
I'm having hard time processing why people are triggered by AH, but not by TB.
Why must I be triggered by both?
Do you townread ThinkBig, yes/no?
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Post Post #445 (isolation #86) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:23 pm

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Am I the only one who didn't townread ThinkBig? Why I feel alienated?
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Post Post #451 (isolation #87) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:48 pm

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In post 450, davesaz wrote:
In post 445, Realeo wrote:Am I the only one who didn't townread ThinkBig? Why I feel alienated?
Why do you feel such a need for others to share your read?
If you vote AntiHuman, you believe that his case sucks.

You believe that his case as scum!ThinkBig sucks?

You believe that ThinkBig town? I believe null at best?
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Post Post #452 (isolation #88) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:49 pm

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I don't think I'm articulating well enough?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #89) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:05 pm

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In post 454, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think he's saying that voting AH equates to town reading TB because AH made a case on TB. I'm not voting AH because I think TB is town. I would not go so far as to say that. I'm voting AH because I think his case for scum!TB is a scummy way to derail the Gamma wagon, and I wasn't even on that Gamma wagon from the beginning
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Post Post #457 (isolation #90) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:06 pm

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My mind went if that's the case, it would not be a complete wagon change from GE -> AH.

My mind went that people would went. "AH case is shitty, but it has a point." and the wagon would be split at AH and TB>
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Post Post #458 (isolation #91) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:06 pm

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In post 453, davesaz wrote:I'm not sure what your reads on the two slots are.
My reads are null? I think I mentioned it?
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Post Post #463 (isolation #92) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:55 pm

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In post 462, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 457, Realeo wrote:My mind went if that's the case, it would not be a complete wagon change from GE -> AH.

My mind went that people would went. "AH case is shitty, but it has a point." and the wagon would be split at AH and TB>
But no one thought that at all.
Which is an alarming thing, no? You townread TB?
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Post Post #465 (isolation #93) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:13 pm

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Ah, you have answered that! I must be upcoming New Year Eve hallucination?

I am more to "TB similiar to AH" than "TB worse to AH"
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Post Post #468 (isolation #94) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:27 pm

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You said some of AH arguments @ TB sucks because "that's playstyle".

Isn't the way AH presented argument can be due to playstyle? I checked that he knows a lot but just joined this site, so I infer that he is an alt.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #95) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:06 pm

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In post 469, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not really
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In post 466, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 465, Realeo wrote:Ah, you have answered that!
I must be upcoming New Year Eve hallucination?


I am more to "TB similiar to AH" than "TB worse to AH"
What's up with this? Why the need to explain it away?
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Post Post #476 (isolation #97) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:18 pm

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In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
Desperado obv Traitor, maybe...

But Desperado + MariaR -> traitor... I don'k think so.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #98) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:20 pm

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I'm leaning to scumread Kop, but I'm halway re-reading.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #99) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:19 pm

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In post 486, Dunnstral wrote:What are you talking about

What does MariaR have to do with it
MariaR is replaced by Desperado.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #100) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:09 am

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In post 492, Alisae wrote:Raleo - null scum
Don't like the phrasing of "Why would I do X"
Also don't like how they back up Maria on confirming my slot as town.
Pardon, but back up Maria on confirming my slot as town?

And I would assume your read list is a joke.
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In post 492, Alisae wrote:Kop - Town
Genuinely evaluating game
Enlight me. I must be missing big time.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:50 am

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In post 501, Kop wrote:
In post 500, Realeo wrote:
In post 492, Alisae wrote:Kop - Town
Genuinely evaluating game
Enlight me. I must be missing big time.
State your reasons because that's twice now that you have said something regarding myself, and twice you've not even bothered to state any reason why, or even engage with me.
I have only seriously analyzed up to page 11. When I put the voting /scumread pattern into excel table, I see a jump logic on yours.

I am not with my Excel right now, but the only conclusion I remember was (1)Nothing was scummy with Gamma Emerald wagon (2) I was confused by you.

I then get struck by New Year Laziness.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #103) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:58 am

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So I am with my home, my Excel.....and my cousin so I'm not in full capacity.

But now, I can tell why I scumread Kop.

At the beginning of the game, Kop stated that he scumreads Hans, Kyouko and Jin.

But in future pages, Kop suddenly vote GE? Where is that past scumread @Hans, Kyouko & Jin?

I mean, I understand if Kyouko change from Realeo -> AH, because that's 1 person. Kop litteraly abandon read @ 3 people.

*mutter* Opportunistic scum *mutter*
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VOTE: Kop

I still scumread GE, but I am going to assume that during that slap talk, I am the one who is wrong.
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Post Post #553 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:32 am

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Now that I reread TB's reaction at AH, I need to consider things back.

UNVOTE:

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Post Post #554 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:35 am

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Hold on a second....

ThinkBig cannot tell the joke that Gamma Emerald voted Desperado for lewl...

ThinkBig cannot tell AH's joke of him being daycop....

But suddenly..
In post 506, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 505, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alisae, algebra is literally confirmed town, he's innocent child
I think he was clearly joking.
ThinkBig, have you been fabricating reactions? I null you big time because I thought you are player like Ircher who is serious scumhunter and cannot accept nor tolerate joke?
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Post Post #555 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:39 am

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grapes, would you consider deadline extension? This game went through Christmas, Hannukah, New Year. That is brutal. It should be compensated for inactiveness
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Post Post #556 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:42 am

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In post 475, ThinkBig wrote:Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.

I'll provide my full reads and more information on Sunday night after work. Been quite busy with the holiday.
I don't get this vote. If it smells buddying, vote the mafia, AH!

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Post Post #557 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:49 am

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I think I just catch ThinkBig scum with his logic...

Later. With my cousin.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:56 am

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Or maybe not... Excuse me for my immatureness.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:59 am

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I am townreading AH. I think he tries to solve the game, alebit in an unelegant way.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #112) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:43 pm

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This games need more love.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #113) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:45 pm

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VOTE: TB

I would move to the Desperado wagon 4 deadline. Not satisfied with the case at either AH or Desperado, but I Tr AH.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #114) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:25 pm

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Sorry. I won't move to AntiHuman. I said I would move to Desperado.
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In post 690, Alisae wrote:
In post 689, Realeo wrote:Sorry. I won't move to AntiHuman. I said I would move to Desperado.
If AH is scum with you, you are getting lynched.
Wut? ThinkBig is the offered counter wagon at 6 - 3. If I make new wagon, now that' scummy.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #116) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:08 pm

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Why don't you move to Tb. Make it 5-4. People would have easier time lynching TB.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #117) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:12 pm

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In post 698, Alisae wrote:ible. (atleast from what I am currently thinking of)
A. AH is scum and it's an all town wagon and scum don't want to hammer at deadline.
B. AH is town and there is scum on the wagon otherwise scum
False dichotomy.

C. AH is town and all scum is on the wagon, but some town doesn't feel the peer pressure to hit AH.

To be fair, I think C is more often to happen. B usually happen in lylo or mylo. In with lynch allowance, it's usually C.
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Aw, you just make me sad. =/
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Post Post #703 (isolation #119) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:13 pm

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Flip it. Let it be resolved that I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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C or D makes more sense. I agree.
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E is impossible due to the presence of counter wagon.

I don't get why if he's scum, it would be A? Personally, I never saw option A in action.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #122) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:30 pm

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At least not in d1.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #123) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:32 pm

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AntiHuman is L+1
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Post Post #726 (isolation #124) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:51 pm

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Hello. That was a lot of fun.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #125) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:54 pm

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And why the hell SSBM_Kyouko is killed?
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Post Post #734 (isolation #126) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:02 pm

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Holy shite. AntiHuman has a huge amount of content.

*reads iso*


Pedit: How does I am scum with VCA? If the one flipped is Mafia Goons, makes sense. With the one flipped is Mafia Traitor, I don't get it.
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Post Post #737 (isolation #127) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:04 pm

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Dunn, Alisae, would you help me analyze conversation between Kyouko and AntiHuman? That may be the only explanation of the nk?
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Post Post #739 (isolation #128) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:06 pm

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In post 431, Antihuman wrote:
In post 428, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Don't have an opinion on that. I usually look for team associations but haven't been seeing them this time.
That's weird cause your first reaction was a team association of me and Gamma.
In post 428, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I don't think you're necessarily scum with Gamma, but I do think you attacked his wagon with intent. Could be you're scum with him, could be he's town and you saw his wagon stalling and decided to pick up the momentum and transfer it to another townie before a townie discovered the scum on Gamma's wagon and started pushing that player.
This is an extremely far-fetched theory but for argument's sake let's assume I'm scum and he's not. Who's the most likely person to be my partner on his wagon?
In post 419, Antihuman wrote:@ssbm what do you think of Dunn's defense of me?
In post 428, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It's incomplete, will see what she has to say "in the morning" as promised in 367. Don't see anything scummy jumping out at me in it yet though, except the assumption that the players voting you would push TB if you flipped town. I don't think that's true at all, I know it's not for me
So your first reaction to my defense of Gamma was calling it "scum derailing his partner's wagon". Now Dunn has done the same exact thing and you don't think it's suspicious. Wouldn't it make sense for you to think Dunn's my partner chainsawing me?

This maybe the closest we get to getting clue of AH's partner. I think this is the only one where AH is talking about guilty assosiation.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #129) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:07 pm

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ssbm_Kyouko is rolling with the possibility of {Gamma,AH} and AH white knighted Gamma quite hard time, didn't he?
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Post Post #743 (isolation #130) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:07 pm

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In post 740, Alisae wrote:"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu
I should use that quote when I explain my faux-VI.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #131) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:11 pm

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First quote is about asking Realeo his thoughts on the NK.
In post 741, Realeo wrote:ssbm_Kyouko is rolling with the possibility of {Gamma,AH} and AH white knighted Gamma quite hard time, didn't he?
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But I reject it, didn't I?
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Post Post #759 (isolation #133) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:54 am

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Full disclosure : I still have no clue why I'm being voted.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #134) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:55 am

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In post 738, Dunnstral wrote:If you bring something up, then yes I'll "help you analyze"
Oy, I already did.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #135) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:00 am

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In post 752, Alisae wrote:were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obviou
That only explains that I
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Post Post #762 (isolation #136) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:09 am

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Can anyone give me a psychological lecture about Mafia Traitor at me? Is it more normal for Mafia Traitor to be more diplomatic against town or mafia partner?
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Post Post #763 (isolation #137) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:20 am

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So this catch my attention....
In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.
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(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, SuperHans)[/color]
I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.


Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?



I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.
There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
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Correction. AH has played the AtE card since L-2. So there is a minimum of 1 scum in (GE, Desperado, Alisae)
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Post Post #809 (isolation #139) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 775, Alisae wrote:
In post 762, Realeo wrote:Can anyone give me a psychological lecture about Mafia Traitor at me? Is it more normal for Mafia Traitor to be more diplomatic against town or mafia partner?
In post 763, Realeo wrote:So this catch my attention....
In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.
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I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.


Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?



I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.
There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
Shit attempt to jump on somone for a NK.
Wut? NK analysis? It's VCA.

I found it funny that I snap (GE,Alisae) inside that 3 people, and both of you sheep the TB wagon almost instaneous.
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Post Post #811 (isolation #140) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:30 pm

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VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #814 (isolation #141) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:32 pm

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In post 813, Alisae wrote:Realeo and TB are scum
I solved the game.
Lol. All I did to check your alignment was place a sudden naked vote as impromptu reaction test.

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Post Post #817 (isolation #142) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:38 pm

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In post 815, Desperado wrote:TraitorAH derailing a wagon on one partner by pushing on the other makes a lot of sense tbh
That explains why AntiHuman plays the AtE card the moment both ThinkBig and GammaEmerald votes against him.

So Gamma Emerald wagon is as good as ThinkBig wagon according to you?
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Post Post #818 (isolation #143) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:39 pm

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In post 816, grapes wrote:Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Even if you're not online to change this vote, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #144) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:44 pm

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In post 819, Alisae wrote:Realeo you're basicly framing Gamma for the NK.
My case @ Gamma is the VCA not NK.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #145) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:46 pm

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In post 763, Realeo wrote:So this catch my attention....
In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.
Antihuman ( 6 ) -
(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, SuperHans)[/color]
I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.


Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?



I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.
There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
Shit attempt to jump on somone for a NK.
[/quote]

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Post Post #824 (isolation #146) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:47 pm

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EBWOP
In post 763, Realeo wrote:So this catch my attention....
In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.
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I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.


Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?



I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.
There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
^---- This is VCA, not nk.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #147) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:49 pm

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In post 799, Superhans wrote:
In post 408, Realeo wrote:
In post 407, Desperado wrote:Yes I did.


.....?
You're sugesting GE, TB, AH?
Anyyone have any opinions on this?
Potentially I accidentally solve the game?
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Post Post #839 (isolation #148) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:11 pm

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This useless prod is brought to you by Realeo!

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Post Post #848 (isolation #149) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:34 pm

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In post 612, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Gamma voted Desperado, if Gamma is scum he wouldn't start the cw on his partner
Desperado swapped to Antihuman, might make sesnse
if
Gamma is scum, AH is town, and Desp is traitor.
AH wagon would also be cw to scum in this case.
Question is: Does Gamma have any plausible scumbuddies besides AH? Desperado is out unless he's traitor, so we'd need 1 more (or 2 if he's not the traitor).
Let's assume scum aren't going to hard bus their teammate in the middle of D1, so we look for a partner that wasn't on the Gamma wagon at it's apex
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DAY 1 VC 005


Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) -
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Realeo ( 3 ) -
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Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(davesaz)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -
(Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for ReubenWasFine.
Kyouko - conftown to myself
algebra - conftown
RWF/AH - We're assuming this slot is the town cw to scum for this exercise

SAJ/Alisae - was not on the Gamma wagon but when he comes in he discredits AH case and soon after Gamma joins him in picking apart AH case to start a new wagon on AH. Replaces out. Alisae Says he doesn't like TB but soon after catching up a bit more says he doesn't like AH's push and votes AH. AH could be the counter to Gamma if Alisae and Gamma are buds
davesaz - Comes in to catch up to a 5 person Gamma wagon with a very flat reaction. Possibly measured response to scumpartner's wagon. His next post looks at the gamma wagon for opportunistic votes, says he's still catching up but points to Realeo and Desperado as being similar to Gamma, as if to offer them as alternatives. Dave speculates Gamma is the cw to scum!Desperado. HOWEVER, Dave in 374 has a similar reaction to the popup of AH's wagon, indicating to me he is unaware of either wagon's alignment, unless the team is Gamma/dave/AH
Dunnstral - No reaction to the gamma wagon, is still focusing on her own SR of davesaz. Reads as towny to me.


I'm thinking AH is not very likely to flip scum unless he's teamed with davesaz
and
Gamma. Desperado I think is unlikely to be traitor based on the way he got onto the Gamma wagon.
This leaves me with a scumteam speculation of [Gamma, davesaz, Alisae/AH]. Kop could be blind spot scum still. I think Gamma's flip will be most telling because it was both the cw Realeo/Desperado and had it's own cw in the AH wagon.

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Kop do you have scumreads? Noticed a lot of you asking other people about their reads in your ISO and a lot of commenting on questions directed at other players but not much in the way of substance
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Post Post #857 (isolation #150) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:03 am

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Guten Tag Vater. I see no concern at me to be resolved currently. Can I have vote count please?
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Post Post #880 (isolation #151) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:39 am

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I am obese. People said obese people are 2 people in 1, thus I have 2 votes.

VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: ThinkBig

really sold me and it runs with my psychological reasoning.

So many to choose from.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #152) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:42 am

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Although there is one plot hole in your reasoning, Desperado.

How does, ThinkBig exactly catch the signal "So you're traitor, AntiHuman? Sorry. I would back off."
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Post Post #883 (isolation #153) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:33 am

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Sorry. Occam Razor.

VOTE: Gamma

I mean, I like the case. TB is my second scum. Both him and GE matches my psychological framework.

But to be honest, Desperado, no I don't?
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Post Post #887 (isolation #154) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:25 pm

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In post 886, Alisae wrote:Occam's Razor is fucking disgusting.
Occam's Razor helps you stay on the ground.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #155) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:45 pm

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VOTE: TB

That explains the unusual logic, Gam.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #156) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:06 pm

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I can be persuaded to Alisae, since he also in the psychological short list.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #157) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:58 pm

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I think Y?
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Post Post #936 (isolation #158) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:03 pm

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In post 934, Superhans wrote:@Everyone
If ThinkBig flips scum - who is his partner most likely to be?

Given the last two people who voted AH before he showed surrenderness are Alisae and TB, I have to go with Alisae.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #159) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:46 pm

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Somewhere. Over the rainbow!
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Post Post #957 (isolation #160) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:11 am

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Interesting. Interesting.

So Desperado is potentially town and Alisae as well.

Which breaks my psychological framework since that will leave GE and TB, but GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought.

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Post Post #958 (isolation #161) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:12 am

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To initiate conversation, I would not explain exactly how I come to that conclusion.

However, look at AH's iso for hint.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #162) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:12 am

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I mean, not now. This game is dying. I need to bait for response.
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #163) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:02 pm

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This is why I hard townread Desperado + Alisae

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In post 537, Antihuman wrote:[snip...]
In post 492, Alisae wrote:Raleo - null scum
Don't like the phrasing of "Why would I do X"
<--- looks nai to me, it's only natural everyone tries to compare stuff to their pov

Also don't like how they back up Maria on confirming my slot as town.

Superhans -Nullscumlean
Oppertunistic voting
Sheepish behavoir
<--- can't agree with this, he looks to be trying to solve the game


Kop - Town
<--- which posts stand out the most?

Genuinely evaluating game

Algebra - Scum
Needs to eat rope beacause common core is shit, and in my algebra 2 class I didn't learn a single thing
<--- meh, forced jokes like this are more likely to come from scum in my experience


Kyouko - probably town
Pointing out crumbs but dunno what to make of it.
<--- do you think this

Genuinely evaluates the game
<--- and this are connected, i.e. she has outside knowledge and uses it to influcence the game?


Desperato - Traitor
Mostly based on Maria's slot. Don't like how they confirmed my slot as town.

Gamma - Needs Rope
Don't like their vote right away on Desperato as they replaced. Sure it's probably pressure but I feel as if it completely disregarded Maria's play.

TB - Probably Town
<--- because of the town things he did or cause you're scumreading me?


Davesaz - Town
Genuinely attempting to solve the game
<--- agreed


Antihuman - Needs Rope
Sure they have some bad posts
Attempts to derail the gamma wagon. If Gamma flipped scum this would look really bad for him
<--- shit argument cause you don't know what Gamma will flip. Or do you?
How would Gamma flipping town influence my alignment in your opinion?


Dunn - I can't read this shit. Gun to my head town?
<--- his latest exchange with TB looks towny imo


Reads based off of the last 10 pages.
[snip]


Notice that he didn't rebuttal Alisae argument on why Desperado
Desperato - Traitor
Mostly based on Maria's slot. Don't like how they confirmed my slot as town.
or Gamma...
Gamma - Needs Rope
Don't like their vote right away on Desperato as they replaced. Sure it's probably pressure but I feel as if it completely disregarded Maria's play.
Notice that he didn't rebuttal this argument, but he rebuttal alike type of argument.

For example, he didn't rebuttal Gamma but he rebuttal Kop
Kop - Town
<--- which posts stand out the most?

Genuinely evaluating game
I think AH didn't rebuttal town!Alisae argument on town!Desperado or town!GE because he wants town!Alisae to tunnel on them.
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #164) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:03 pm

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VOTE: ThinkBig
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #165) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:04 pm

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In post 1041, Realeo wrote:This is why I hard townread Desperado + Alisae
In post 1039, ThinkBig wrote:Final thoughts for now: I think you'll find the last remaining scum between desperado, realeo, and alisae.

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Post Post #1044 (isolation #166) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:05 pm

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L-1 ALert
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #167) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:08 pm

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In post 960, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 957, Realeo wrote:GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought
GE claimed Goon Cop, not JOAT. JAOT is a mafia-only role in this set up.

PS: Catching up now.
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1. It was 11pm. I didn't think clearly because I was tired.

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Post Post #1046 (isolation #168) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:18 pm

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Would you prod Algebra?
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #169) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:19 pm

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Ideally replace, though
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #170) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:26 pm

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Ye! I am no longer a VI!

Ye!

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Post Post #1050 (isolation #171) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:29 pm

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In post 1037, ThinkBig wrote:If you look through his ISO, he's been almost as bad as antihuman with his logic
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #172) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:30 pm

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BTW. I didn't think that meme would bury the page, but to others,
please read my case at page 42 about why GE, Desperado, Alisae has a high chance to be town. ty
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #173) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:32 pm

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@Dunn: I don't really see your argument. Especially the VCA
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #174) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:01 pm

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No. You presented 2 quotes. One about VCA and one is a long wall of quote. You said that is basis of townreading Desperado.

It's not obvious why you are townreading Desperado from the offered quotes.
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #175) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:42 pm

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In post 1056, Superhans wrote:ThinkBig, can you explain your sketchy interactions with AH D1, as articulated by Desperado:
Yeah, I think that is crucial to be rebutted by TB.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #176) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:57 pm

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I think the biggest problem that prevents me from unvoting TB is, if everything is scummy for town!ThinkBig (ie. running gambit, questioning people) then what is towny?

How does questioning people or running gambit is not genuine solve the problem. I cannot find the boundary line.

I feel that ThinkBig is plagiarizing his read list.
He just collect what people think, snap into a read list and call it "ThinkBig's readlist"
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #177) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:29 am

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Realeo is sharing love, because everyone is active when he is sleeping
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #178) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:28 pm

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In post 1074, ThinkBig wrote:Final scum reads: Hans, kop, and/or desperado are probably the last of the scum. I will be back around 11 PM EST.

Good luck town!
Like I don't understand where this comes from?
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #179) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:33 pm

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In post 1066, ThinkBig wrote:
Realeo wrote:
I feel that ThinkBig is plagiarizing his read list. He just collect what people think, snap into a read list and call it "ThinkBig's readlist"
This accusation is false and highly offensive.
Well, prove me that I am wrong.
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #180) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:45 pm

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I hope in d3, our Inactive Child would become Innocent Child.
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #181) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:48 pm

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Guys, I hacked into algebra's account and I checked his role PM!
Hello again, algebra.

Your role is now
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #182) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:24 am

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In post 1092, Dunnstral wrote:By the way, nobody can answer who's scum in tb is town. Nobody is even attempting to find scum. Even if tb is scum there's still another one you know
I have daveaz in my pocket, but I am not confident with my analysis.
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #183) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:27 am

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In post 1095, Regfan wrote:Lol are people seriously voting ThinkBig, the fuck is going on.
Nobody gave a counter-wagon--well it was Gamma but he claimed Joat. Please do start one.

Spoiler: Ooooo
I said JOAT again
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #184) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:37 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #185) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:41 am

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@Regfan: I think the first step to actually convince me to unvote ThinkBig is to explain to me, why TB is VI, not scum flailing.
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #186) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:03 am

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In post 1107, Regfan wrote:@Realo (And also others that are attributing lack of content & prod-doding as a scum tell for TB) Thanks. ThinkBig replaced into Newbie 1758 (He stole the slot from me! as town (I suggest you read his ISO, it's short) and got lynched the day before lylo, inside the game he had a lot of similarities as what he's portrayed here, huge lack of content, lots of unfulfilled promises to catch up later, I've seen a few other games of his too I think where he's done a similar thing as town. I think he's just a newer/weaker player.
Your argument sounds good, until you realize that we're not lynching for the argument that you mentioned.

We did not lynch him because he is lacking content. (If that's the reason, Kop would be dead body by now) We lynch him because of his shitty logic and we believe this shitty logic is scum flail, not VI.
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #187) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:05 am

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Let me put it this way.

We have 2 shitty logic. One shitty logic from Realeo back early and one shitty logic from ThinkiBg.

You said my shitty logic back early is town. How about ThinkBig?
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #188) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:14 am

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I am pocketing Daves for d3 lynch, so you have my corporation if this discourse is sucsessful.

@Regfan:

Let me thoroughly explain my feeling:

Quality of read is pretty much NAI, ye? It's not the quality, but the brain behind it, right? If the brain is shitty, but a towny brain, than a shitty brain but town is a town brain.

One of the biggest indicator of town brain is consistency. I acknowledge that town can contradict their argument,
but not their brain.
If town contradicts their argument, you can still see the town making the argument. Maybe he's changing his mind. Maybe he's tired.

Scum,however, would contradict their brain to manipulate town to the wrong position.

My problem with ThinkBig:
In post 1059, Realeo wrote:I think the biggest problem that prevents me from unvoting TB is, if everything is scummy for town!ThinkBig (ie. running gambit, questioning people) then what is towny?

How does questioning people or running gambit is not genuine solve the problem. I cannot find the boundary line.

I feel that ThinkBig is plagiarizing his read list.
He just collect what people think, snap into a read list and call it "ThinkBig's readlist"
I cannot see a town brain.

@Regfan: As an excercise, please observe ThinkBig's revised read list. Help me pick a town brain. That read list does not come from a town brain. That read list comes from scum trying to appeal to the majority.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #189) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:17 am

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In post 1110, Regfan wrote:he actually had a multitude of very good points on AH being scum
Can we discard this argument? Remember AH is traitor, so TB won't know if AH is also scum-sided.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #190) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:02 pm

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If I were traitor, I would bus my partner to get town cred. If mafia kills me, hey that's a bonus since I am bulletproof.

Let me respond to your case.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #191) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:08 pm

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In post 1175, Regfan wrote:This entire push that a traitor is more likely to replace into a game and hard push a partner in an attempt to get themselves lynched D1 to make their partner look better is a real stretch and would be very suboptimal traitor play.
I don't remember reading this. Am I missing a lot of stuff?
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #192) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:09 pm

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In post 1177, Alisae wrote:I don't feel like they were trying to get them suspected or lynched at all at the time actually.
Look at AH's case on TB.
Ah. It's not me being hallucinated.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #193) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:10 pm

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ThinkBig next read list would be a break through so I would wait then.
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #194) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:11 pm

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Am I missing context? Is this another languege confusion?
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #195) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:14 pm

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SO AntiHuman townreads SuperHans and Daveaz. Although unlike my argument about TR @ Desperado, GE, Alisae, I don't feel confindent that I can use the same thinking framework to scumread them.
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #196) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:16 pm

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You do understand that this is AntiHuman's first game, assuming AntiHuman is not alt?
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #197) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:20 pm

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So your hyphothesis is that AntiHuman changes from town wagon to another town.

What is the scum motive. He can just sheep the Gamma wagon, ye?
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #198) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:26 pm

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I don't get the logic of that being huge scum-tell.

To be more specific, I don't understand why a town cannot agree. The last time I replace into a game, there is no notice that says "You must disagree with the crowd."

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Post Post #1194 (isolation #199) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:30 pm

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That is another explanation why his mood change in L-2.

@Dunnstral: In the role PM yes
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