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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:32 pm

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Confirm.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:42 am

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VOTE: Vecna

You sound Britannian.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:44 am

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So why are there only 19 players alive?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:46 am

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It appears that AlpacaAlpaca is the missing player.

P-Edit: Interesting.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:05 am

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VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

Alpacas are not native to Japan, must be a Britannian import.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:11 am

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In post 58, DiamondSentinel wrote:Shall we start off with a flavorclaim? I don't know the flavor well, but I know that some of you will.
Most definitely not, and I don't like your attempt at rolefishing.
In post 60, Painbringer wrote:I think some people are slipping on flavor already :P
1)
Leon shade is not town.
In post 61, Painbringer wrote:
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Those who assume Britannia is auto scum are up to suspicion from me.
That's about all I am saying.

Japanese does not equal town
1) Incorrect, and I find it telling you don't have the courage to back your read up with a vote.

2) You sound defensive about Britannia, which leads me to believe that you
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Post Post #68 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:17 am

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I'm not fishing for your role, I'm judging your alignment.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:20 am

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Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:20 am

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Wait I've been typing the wrong name.

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VOTE: Painbringer
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Post Post #83 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:31 am

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I am not a noble, and I will only pledge loyalty to friends of freedom.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:35 am

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In post 86, Painbringer wrote:
scum don't really role fish, in fact they are more likely to call people scum for "role fishing" than anyone else.

Town are the only ones likely to role fish.
???
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Post Post #90 (isolation #11) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:35 am

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It's incredibly beneficial for scum to know who the town PRs are.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #12) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:22 am

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In post 123, KainTepes wrote:but in this map you can see BRTIAANIA is clearly the UNITED STATES

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So what you're saying is that everyone who speaks English...

*takes off glasses*

IS BRITANNIAN?!?
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Post Post #134 (isolation #13) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:24 am

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In post 132, Painbringer wrote:
In post 127, KainTepes wrote:there is one scum between DIAMOND and DRONE........... vote sheeping liek a TRUE SCUMMY HEART OF DARKNESS

britaannia is the UNITEd STATES
i am going to assume both are town based on this post alone.
Easy for you, you know who your buddies are.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:42 am

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Don't draw attention to the softing.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:46 am

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In post 61, Painbringer wrote:Those who assume Britannia is auto scum are up to suspicion from me.
That's about all I am saying.

Japanese does not equal town
In post 63, Painbringer wrote:I have no idea what Titus is talking abou btw.
She doesn't know flavor at all.
So this exchange actually reads like Titus/Pandora saw a town-aligned Britannian role PM, how else would she know that Britannians can be friendly? It doesn't really read like a fake/planned exchange, either.

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Post Post #169 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:47 am

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In post 161, Drone wrote:Why not?
Why won't we discuss these things?
Scum are those who will notice the tiniest of details at these stages anyway.
The hope is that scum don't notice.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:49 am

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In post 71, Leonshade wrote:Wait I've been typing the wrong name.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Painbringer
VOTE: Painbringer
I wasn't exactly trying to hide my doublevote.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:51 am

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In post 171, Drone wrote:
In post 166, Leonshade wrote:
In post 61, Painbringer wrote:Those who assume Britannia is auto scum are up to suspicion from me.
That's about all I am saying.

Japanese does not equal town
In post 63, Painbringer wrote:I have no idea what Titus is talking abou btw.
She doesn't know flavor at all.
So this exchange actually reads like Titus/Pandora saw a town-aligned Britannian role PM, how else would she know that Britannians can be friendly? It doesn't really read like a fake/planned exchange, either.

UNVOTE:
I can't tell anything I'm clueless about Code Geass.
But are all Brittanians truly bad?
No, I'm just messing around to get things going. Many of the protagonists are Britannian.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:01 am

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In post 156, davesaz wrote:The cause of Freedom is Noble.

All-caps words are ugh.
Too many people posting without voting.

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Post Post #194 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:01 am

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In post 190, Painbringer wrote:
In post 166, Leonshade wrote:So this exchange actually reads like Titus/Pandora saw a town-aligned Britannian role PM, how else would she know that Britannians can be friendly? It doesn't really read like a fake/planned exchange, either.

UNVOTE:
seems like a weak reason to change votes tbh.
anyone else pinging u at the moment since you now think britannia isn't conf scum?
I never thought Britannia = scum.
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Post Post #209 (isolation #21) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:10 am

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In post 207, Vecna wrote:YES. YEEEEEES.

EVERYONE VOTE DRONE.

ACHIEVE A HAMMER WITHIN THE NEXT 24HOURS.

_TRUST ME_ WHEN I SAY TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

THE FASTER WE REACH CONCENSUS THE MORE MY TOWN POWER GROWS
Are you a lyncher on Drone or something?
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Post Post #494 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:48 pm

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Kain is town, as is kraska.
In post 484, Vecna wrote:Im a shitposter now? :(
Umm...

Kain's posting is entertaining, and I don't care if people copy it. It's the spamming that causes problems, replacements/players who aren't as active will look at the page count and lose their motivation to catch up with the game (speaking from personal experience here).
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Post Post #495 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:51 pm

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In post 353, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think the fact that Leonshade has 2 votes and AlpacaAlpaca has 0 votes points to Leonshade stole AlpacaAlpaca's vote. I've never played in a game with vote mechanics like that though, is it to be expected that AlpacaAlpaca's lack of a vote is unrelated to Leonshade having 2?

Does vote stealer get to give the vote to a different person or do they just take it for themselves? I don't get how you come to this ("So you're claiming vote stealer?") conclusion.
Shush, or I'll steal yours next :twisted:
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Lord Alpaca has taken notice of Painbringer's good work, as well as the nothing coming from Klingon,

Lord Alpaca also requests Leon gives him back his vote.

Pedit: Lord Alpaca is confused
I think nobles should just hardclaim.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:55 pm

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In post 232, DarkInnocence wrote:I've never been sr from a rvs vote before that's new
I wonder if you're scum or really believe that
guess time will tell.
~Maria
You seem defensive about being SR'd for an RVS vote.

KlingonCelt's ISO is coming in, asking irrelevant questions, doing zero voting or scumhunting and asking people to pledge loyalty to him. Nope.

VOTE: KlingonCelt
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Post Post #500 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:08 pm

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In post 499, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Actually wait, noble claims might be bad, scum might have negative effects on the people they're loyal to and they would know who is town to target, just wouldn't know which towns are nobles
There's already multiple noble claims, too late for that.

Though if some nobles wanna stay hidden for now, that's cool. Softing noble claims is the problem, since you might waste a pledge by pledging your loyalty to a player who isn't actually a noble. I suppose that's also solved by not pledging your loyalty to them, though.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:14 pm

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In post 501, Drone wrote:Also, if they are not actually nobles, you can pledge to someone else the day phase afterwards.
If I'm not wrong.
It's still a waste if the reward for being loyal to a noble is good.
In post 502, Vecna wrote:Seeing how theres an option for people to suicide, I wouldnt be too surprised if theres some effect where being loyal to the wrong person can end badly for you
I had to check the OP again, hadn't noticed that. Could also be part of the Geass-flavor, like if you're forced to do something against your alignment and you want to stop doing so.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:30 am

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In post 590, Painbringer wrote:
In post 589, davesaz wrote:Yes, I meant what I said.

Do you think Vecna lied about having a geass, or lied about what it does?

At least we merely have OCCASIONAL words in caps and not ENTIRE posts. My eyes can probably deal with that if I use drops.
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i think he lied about having geass.
Do you think that Vecna doesn't have a geass? Because I think we don't know either way, but the geass on kraska was obviously a joke.
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Post Post #600 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:33 am

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In post 597, Painbringer wrote:
In post 594, Leonshade wrote:Do you think that Vecna doesn't have a geass? Because I think we don't know either way, but the geass on kraska was obviously a joke.
I don't think he has geass either way.......how many times do i have to say that.
What leads you to believe that?
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Post Post #609 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:22 am

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VOTE: DiamondSentinel
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Post Post #814 (isolation #30) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:03 am

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Wait, Vecna is voting. I actually believed his hammer-only claim.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:08 am

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My vote on DS was because their ISO up to that point was nothing but making excuses to not play the game, but if that's just their normal meta, it's not much of a tell.
In post 647, Vecna wrote:Bingo.

It also happens to be a -very- common scum practise.

Which is the type of practise im flushing out.

Currently we have 5 biters.
So do you think you caught the entire scumteam? Or did your "reaction test" fail because too many people fell for it?

I vote for Klingoncelt and their game improves immediately, I take full credit for this.
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Post Post #816 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:11 am

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I don't like this Vecna wagon, seems like a lot of people jumping on an easy target. I'll pressure randomidget instead.

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Post Post #829 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:57 am

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In post 822, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 821, Painbringer wrote:I don't mind this randomidget wagon but I feel it's not going to do much to progress game
Will get him to explain what he said about leonshade at least. I think I know what he meant but
I'm gonna wait for him to explain for himself
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Post Post #999 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:01 am

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Haha this is great.

I will take a
blue hat
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:30 am

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Let's provide some balance for the disgusting heterosexuality.

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Post Post #1133 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:04 am

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In post 1067, kraska77 wrote:
Replace me

Sorry frozen, this game looks like fun and has been fun so far but

I'm gonna stop playing mafia, mafias not for me, it upsets me too much. And life's hectic as of late and mafias a time sink

(i think im leaving the site in general too. So Pm me if u guys would like to keep in touch ^_^)
Bye kraska :cry:
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Post Post #1134 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:06 am

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Not gonna bother looking up who picked which hat now, but the hats could be chosen privately so it would be a pretty pointless exercise, anyway.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #38) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:54 am

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Why would scum have been more likely to pick pink? Pink's ability to steal the hat was only revealed after the fact.
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:20 am

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@Vecna:
Looking at the list of blue hats, that's believable.

While I agree that the lover-mechanic favors scum, a scum that is lovers with a townie does have to think twice about going for the nightkill on them, as well as having an incentive to avoid their mislynch. I think we could get valuable info from these reactions, as long as you're willing to put your survival on the line.

key is looking town here.
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #40) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:20 am

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I pledge loyalty to keyXrb.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:24 am

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Aristophanes:
Your slot is obvtown, wanna steal my hat? If I want to be lovers with anyone, it's you :oops:
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:02 am

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In post 1204, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1198, Leonshade wrote:
Aristophanes:
Your slot is obvtown, wanna steal my hat? If I want to be lovers with anyone, it's you :oops:
I am? That's neat!

I'm not one for the chase, but I really can't resist such a proposition! :)

Steal Leonshade's Hat!
Cupid Day is a success :D
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:34 am

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I could buy Milly being considered a noble for the purposes of this game, seems like a silly thing to vote PB for in any case. Though if PB is scum, I'd expect Milly to be a fakeclaim (though that's not really relevant to anything).
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:36 am

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In post 1374, keyXrb wrote:
In post 1371, Painbringer wrote:
In post 1370, keyXrb wrote:i don't know how anyone could have an appreciable read on Random when he's posted like 10 words and been VLA apart from that.
So the fact he managed to contradict himself in those 10 words means nothing to you?

Well, what about the events surrounding random? Do you think his wagon is town driven?
i think when there's 55 pages and it's still day 1 the priority shouldn't be on Random imo.
I agree with this, but I don't really have anyone else I want to vote for.

Randomidget's "contradiction" feels kinda silly anyway, contradicting himself a few posts apart doesn't mean much. But I want him to come back and explain himself before I move on.
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:37 am

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In post 1376, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I don't understand why it's 19 players alive/ 10 votes to lynch when there are 20 votes in play and 20 players alive. Like I get that Alpaca has 0 votes and that Leon has 2, but why doesn't Alpaca count as an alive player, or why doesn't Leon's double vote count as 2 votes towards the total votes in play?

Can you answer this mod?
While I feel that the fact that Alpaca is not considered "alive" means something, I don't really know what that would mean in the context of Code Geass.
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:10 am

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TRing randomidget after his catch-up.

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Post Post #1412 (isolation #47) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:27 am

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I might pressure BTD, but he's on V/LA for over a week so that'd be a waste.

randomidget's thing is easy to buy as a joke, he'd have to have the memory of a goldfish to seriously contradict himself in the span of 15 minutes. I also like his TRs and the general tone of his catch-up.
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #48) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:10 am

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keyXrb was the noble who doesn't know what happens, but why do you think that makes him scum?
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:20 am

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Welcome, Chara! I agree with the fresh read thing, a new perspective would be welcome.
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Post Post #1516 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:57 am

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That Gamme post is horrible.

VOTE: Crystalline Dagger

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Post Post #1596 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:55 am

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Maria's push on culted is weird, but I don't see it as scummy.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #52) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:19 am

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VOTE: Not Chara

Test vote, please ignore.
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #53) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:43 am

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It's New Year's Eve and I don't want to read, see you all in 2017!
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:44 am

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In post 1755, Frozen Angel wrote:
Happy birthday Aristophanes!

and happy new year everyone :]
Happy birthday my love <3
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:26 am

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In post 1741, DiamondSentinel wrote:I'm done reading for now. Just finished page 50. Updated reads:

Town: RR, Aristophanes, Culted
Null!Town: Dave, CD, McMeeno, SSBM, Random, Klingoncelt, Vecna
Null: Mal, Not Chara, Dark Innocence, Leon
Null!Scum: BTD6
Scum: keyxrb, Drone, PB, KT
I agree with Ari and I'm leaning town on Culted. I agree that SSBM, random and Vecna. I also agree with some of the nulls, not that that's hard.

But I agree with none of your scumlist, aside from possibly Drone (who has done nothing all game). TRing everyone else on your scumlist. Not referring to BTD6, who has been a non-presence.
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:32 am

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The only reason I stopped scumreading DS is because the behavior I was scumreading was apparently their meta, but now even the people who claimed that are scumreading DiamondSentinel.
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #57) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:39 am

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Town:
Aristophanes, keyXrb, Kain Tepes, Painbringer
Leaning town:
Culted, SSBM, randomidget, Vecna
Leaning scum:
Drone
Scum:
Crystalline Dagger, DiamondSentinel

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Post Post #1870 (isolation #58) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:14 am

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What are these scummy things KT has said? His gimmick is not scummy, and I've seen more scumhunting from him than I've seen from many players in this game. The Drone case above is more convincing than half the cases I've seen presented here.

I'd like to hear more about your Painbringer read, pointing to me to the right posts in your ISO is sufficient.

On the contrary, I think keyxrb has been pretty consistently town. I don't see scum motivation in their play.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:42 am

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Dodging the prod, activity later today.
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Post Post #2024 (isolation #60) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:19 pm

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I want to see either CD or DS flip today.

I'm having second thoughts on Drone, I can't verbalize what it is, but his latest posting doesn't feel like it's coming from scum. Call it gut.

Outside his early shitposting, I really don't see why there is a wagon on keyXrb.
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #61) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:20 pm

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Oh, there no longer is one.
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #62) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:25 pm

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Agreed, but I think DS is guilty of similar behavior, and I'd rather vote DS than Drone.
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #63) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:45 am

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In post 2028, Drone wrote:
In post 2024, Leonshade wrote:I want to see either CD or DS flip today.

I'm having second thoughts on Drone, I can't verbalize what it is, but his latest posting doesn't feel like it's coming from scum. Call it gut.

Outside his early shitposting, I really don't see why there is a wagon on keyXrb.
I'll try to verbalise it for you, if I may.
Is the wagon on me, not as safe as it was?
Hmm? I think you're throwing shade at me here, but I'm not sure. Or am I misreading this and you're saying there's scum on your wagon? I don't really see why you think scum!Leon would think your wagon is less safe, it has only grown since I last commented on my SR on you. Either way, my read on you has nothing to do with your wagon.
Drone wrote:
In post 2026, culted wrote:Kain's drone case is decent.
Let's see then, what is the case?
is the case culted and I are talking about.
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #64) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:47 am

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In post 2030, Crystalline Dagger wrote:If you feel that you have to vote me then whatever. Meh, i cant really reason with some people on my wagon as they are set in how they are voting. Keep in mind though that nothing will come of the lynch.
All i can say is that if im lynched then it will be an interesting end of the day.
Geez guys, i dont really think i can rightfully defend what Gamma did with his vote i voted Keyrb because he is my scumread but i never said he was my only read, just the only one i felt comfortable putting forth. Unfortunately, i dont think i can do much defending here because it seems most of the votes on our wagon are due to "just general scumreads" or "gut reads". You would think there would be better reasoning but really i think Keyrb is the only slot to actually have a reason behind their vote and its funny because they are my #1 scumread yet i feel their vote isnt OMGUS or retaliatory, they actually have a full read to back up how they feel. All i am saying is that no one is going to get what they want if im on the lynch block.

Also, i have repeatedly said that i feel PB is near confirmed town due to the flavor of the game and i don't plan on enacting the suicide pact if i am lynched, i rather not cause town to lose an obvious town role. All i ask is that if we reach L-1 then we have time to claim, that is super important that we are granted that. I dont want a bloodbath because someone lolhammered.

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This whole post reeks of caught scum, only reason not to lynch this is to save Painbringer.
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #65) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:52 am

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In post 2038, Drone wrote:Hehe I'm not saying I'm being disregarded, I'm just saying what makes me sometimes worried of being suspected.
After all it's a social, team game.

Now as for Dagger.
I see there's miscoordination in between Gamma and Jin.
I'm liking Jin, and maybe it's because of the apologetic tone.

It's something I need to think about, and I'd also wait for Jin's answer to my latest question.
Do you consider the apologetic tone townie? Because I read it as the exact opposite.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #66) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:04 am

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Nobles can pledge their loyalty to each other?
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #67) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:31 pm

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In post 2109, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2106, Painbringer wrote:You are right on culted and Leon.

Cd, ds, culted, random, Leon. Rr, TP/town. Rest town.
well i don't like the Dagger wagon, and i think Diamond is town. wagon Leon instead?
Why are you basing your wagon based on the scumreads of another one of your scumreads?
In post 2110, Vecna wrote:VOTE: leon

ok
Did something happen to your townread on me, or are you simply giving up your vote to Chara?
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #68) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:39 pm

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In post 2141, Crystalline Dagger wrote:
In post 2041, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2030, Crystalline Dagger wrote:If you feel that you have to vote me then whatever. Meh, i cant really reason with some people on my wagon as they are set in how they are voting. Keep in mind though that nothing will come of the lynch.
All i can say is that if im lynched then it will be an interesting end of the day.
Geez guys, i dont really think i can rightfully defend what Gamma did with his vote i voted Keyrb because he is my scumread but i never said he was my only read, just the only one i felt comfortable putting forth. Unfortunately, i dont think i can do much defending here because it seems most of the votes on our wagon are due to "just general scumreads" or "gut reads". You would think there would be better reasoning but really i think Keyrb is the only slot to actually have a reason behind their vote and its funny because they are my #1 scumread yet i feel their vote isnt OMGUS or retaliatory, they actually have a full read to back up how they feel. All i am saying is that no one is going to get what they want if im on the lynch block.

Also, i have repeatedly said that i feel PB is near confirmed town due to the flavor of the game and i don't plan on enacting the suicide pact if i am lynched, i rather not cause town to lose an obvious town role. All i ask is that if we reach L-1 then we have time to claim, that is super important that we are granted that. I dont want a bloodbath because someone lolhammered.

~Jin~
Bolded: super-scummy.

This whole post reeks of caught scum, only reason not to lynch this is to save Painbringer.
Why is it scummy? I give Scout's Honor that PB will not be killed if we are lynched.
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"Interesting end of the day" is a veiled threat. There's nothing interesting about the end of the day if you flip town and let Painbringer live, so it's clear you're threatening that bad things will happen to town if you get lynched. If you were a townie with some negative utility upon your lynch, you would've claimed already.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #69) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:43 pm

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And the rest of the post is going "why me" about being scumread for your other hydra head's actions.
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #70) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:58 pm

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In post 2156, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2150, Leonshade wrote:Why are you basing your wagon based on the scumreads of another one of your scumreads?
i scumread you independently, where did you get the sense of anything different.
You presented four scumreads, then narrowed the possible wagons down to two because those were the ones you shared with Painbringer.
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Post Post #2160 (isolation #71) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:02 pm

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Ah, I misread 2109, never mind.
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #72) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:29 pm

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In post 2162, Not Chara wrote: pedit: alright. about Gamma's threat... do you find threats scummy? have you played with Gamma before? he's exactly the type to threaten/warn as town, and possibly scum too. and 48 hours is enough to move the wagon, i don't see why a player would fullclaim when they might not even be lynched. it doesn't make them more likely to be scum at all.
The Jin thread was the one with the veiled threat. CD doesn't need to fullclaim to claim why lynching them would hurt town.
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Post Post #2172 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:31 pm

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In post 2165, Vecna wrote:
Maybe I wanted to trick you into hatting up with me so I could kill you? Maybe I just like to do random stuff without explanation. Maybe im scum and I have no good reason but I just felt like doing this. Maybe I just dont like you. Maybe this is all a diversion or some weird reaction test. Maybe I dont even know why I did it, or didnt do it, or did do it but plan to undo it.

Hmmm
Your mind games have thoroughly defeated me, I have no choice but to claim scum and vote myself.
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Post Post #2173 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:33 pm

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@SSMB:
The very fact that you're having a reasonable debate about the merits of the lover thing proves that disagreeing with you isn't AI.
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Post Post #2192 (isolation #75) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:31 am

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In post 2190, Crystalline Dagger wrote:
In post 2171, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2162, Not Chara wrote: pedit: alright. about Gamma's threat... do you find threats scummy? have you played with Gamma before? he's exactly the type to threaten/warn as town, and possibly scum too. and 48 hours is enough to move the wagon, i don't see why a player would fullclaim when they might not even be lynched. it doesn't make them more likely to be scum at all.
The Jin thread was the one with the veiled threat. CD doesn't need to fullclaim to claim why lynching them would hurt town.
The threat wasnt me threatening to force PB to die or anything, that would be Super bad if i did. It was more a warning that this is a bastard game and anything is possible, no one is a Saint. It might not even hurt town, i was more warning that we should be given time to claim when we are at L-1 and be hammered with caution.
This smells of an explanation created after the fact, it does not jibe with the actual post it's supposed to be explaining. All of your points apply to the game in general, and don't explain how the end of the day is more interesting if you, in specific, are lynched.
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:45 am

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@Everyone:
Check the deadline, less than 24 hours left.

Crystalline Dagger:
With less than 24 hours remaining, there's not going to be much chance to wait for you to claim. And for your claim to stop your lynch, there has to be enough time left on the clock to push another wagon through, instead. I'm fine with a DiamondSentinel lynch, but panic wagons tend to create compromise lynches, which satisfy nobody and usually hit town. Don't wait until the last second to claim.
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:59 am

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In post 2195, rb wrote:Well rest in pepperonis to this wagon since no one is gonna hammer that shit
Yup.
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Post Post #2202 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:00 am

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I wonder if Painbringer forcing CD to suicide would trigger the ability?
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Post Post #2203 (isolation #79) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:01 am

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In post 2201, Painbringer wrote:We should force Diamond to hammer.

Then we cop the dead guy.
A better idea, if we can get DS to do it.
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #80) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:18 am

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In post 2208, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 2201, Painbringer wrote:We should force Diamond to hammer.

Then we cop the dead guy.
No. Fuck yourself.
Given two alternatives, being lynched or hammering CrystallineDagger, which would you prefer? Because CD isn't getting lynched by normal manners today.

We could also go with RR's idea, but I think this is ideal for town.
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #81) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:23 am

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You seem town, I don't want you to hammer. If scum isn't hammering, Painbringer should. Scum isn't willingly going to hammer CD, either we force a scumread to do it, or we sacrifice Painbringer, who is going to be forcibly suicided anyway.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #82) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:40 am

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Huh, I missed the part about the lack of a flip.
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Post Post #2224 (isolation #83) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:07 pm

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@Crystalline Dagger:
Could you provide your reads? Both heads together or separately, whichever way you're inclined.
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #84) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:09 pm

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VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Hammering CD is out of the question while the lack of a flip remains a threat.
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Post Post #2249 (isolation #85) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:29 pm

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DS calls rb insulting Titus scummy then ends his post the same way...

@Crystalline Dagger:
Why do you think DS's claim is genuine, instead of a fakeclaim? What was your read on DS prior to the claim?
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Post Post #2250 (isolation #86) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:38 pm

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In post 2248, Crystalline Dagger wrote:
Spoiler: A question for learning benefits
Also, pertaining to our role, i tried to crumb it. This is a first for me (dont know if i did it right) so tell me if you noticed it in my previous posts. I am learning about crumbing so this is still a new thing for me.
I certainly noticed, as I pointed out before. If you were town, the best use for the role would be to try and draw an NK, so crumbing wouldn't be necessary. The lack of a flip makes the ability inherently anti-town, so maybe claiming early would've been the best option?
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Post Post #2254 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:11 am

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Dagger and Diamond are the only two lynches I'm fine with today, with this little time remaining. I will not join a Drone wagon today, RR is town and davesaz is null. Ideally we would play around CD's claim, but I'm not sure there's enough time for that.
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Post Post #2263 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:30 am

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In post 2258, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Work starts about an hour before deadline for me. Going to bed, see y'all in the morning. Also I don't buy that claim so if it comes down to it I'll hammer CD and pass my claim to rb in our PT then he can pass it to the noble hood if I actually die to CDs ability. Then my flip won't be hidden because even if scum kill rb my claim will be passed to nobles overnight
You know what? Let's do this. If CD's claim is true, ssbm is conftown after his death anyway. And if not, CD was bluffing scum and we're rid of him.

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Post Post #2309 (isolation #89) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:38 pm

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VOTE: CrystallineDagger'

@Painbringer & CrystallineDagger:
Are you two willing to break up? (Talk about a sentence I've never said before...) When people are expressing doubt about lynching a player for the sole reason that a townie might go with him, the lover relationship seems like a hostage situation.
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Post Post #2310 (isolation #90) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:39 pm

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KlingonCelt:
What's your read on CD?

Not Chara:
Same question to you.
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Post Post #2311 (isolation #91) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:41 pm

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If we assume that the flavor text is related to the mechanics, as it seems to have been with CD and ssbm, DS attacking RR makes no sense. His role PM doesn't have a way to attack. Geass, maybe?
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Post Post #2312 (isolation #92) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:47 pm

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Wait, 2293 strongly implies that he got Geass'd.
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Post Post #2313 (isolation #93) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:50 pm

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http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/V.V.

^This character is probably the one who Geassed DS.
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Post Post #2314 (isolation #94) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:52 pm

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Not Chara got his vote back, by the way.
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Post Post #2316 (isolation #95) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:01 pm

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Not Chara is almost certainly cleared of being V.V, Chara has a pink hat, and the Cupid Day took place between Alpaca going AWOL and Chara replacing in.
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Post Post #2317 (isolation #96) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:02 pm

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In post 2315, Crystalline Dagger wrote:
In post 2309, Leonshade wrote:VOTE: CrystallineDagger'

@Painbringer & CrystallineDagger:
Are you two willing to break up? (Talk about a sentence I've never said before...) When people are expressing doubt about lynching a player for the sole reason that a townie might go with him, the lover relationship seems like a hostage situation.
Thing is, we somehow took ssbm's place in their lover PT, so we're with keyxrb now.
But yeah we'd prob do so.
~GE
So you have two lovers now?
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Post Post #2320 (isolation #97) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:44 pm

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2293 talks about an evil-looking child, which only matches V.V.

I suppose Frozen Angel COULD be misleading with that, but I really doubt it. She could just not post 2293 if she didn't want to reveal that V.V. was the one that Geassed DS.
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Post Post #2322 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:09 am

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I think you have V.V and C.C mixed up? V.V. looks like a child, C.C. like a young woman.

I don't think the self-destruction is meant to mean that whoever kills Cornelia dies with them. I think it's just meant to signify that once Cornelia dies, the Knightmare dies along with them. I assume that this means that some Knightmares can be stolen or given away.
It's part of the same sentence as "is not transformable", so presumably some Knightmares can be transformed, possibly with the ability DS had.

Also, the Knightmare that RR can give away to players who have pledged loyalty to them would've made them target the loyal player, not RR. But, since Knightmares are put on during the day, and loyalty is confirmed at the start of the night, the third person mentioned in 2294 had a Knightmare different from the one that RR gives away.
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Post Post #2323 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:10 am

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A player might have the ability to have multiple Knightmares? This would explain the need to get into Knightmares before the night. You're choosing which abilities you want for the night.
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Post Post #2331 (isolation #100) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:57 am

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In post 2325, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2316, Leonshade wrote:Not Chara is almost certainly cleared of being V.V, Chara has a pink hat, and the Cupid Day took place between Alpaca going AWOL and Chara replacing in.
why would i be V.V in the first place? was that in your spec?
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Same question to you.
not for lack of trying, but i haven't been able to get a good read on the slot. i'd lean town, for how they conducted themselves with the entire 'sacrificing obvtown kyouko for no good reason' fiasco. there are other slots i'm more interested in lynching. namely, you. ;>

if not you, then someone on the Diamond/Drone wagons yesterday. do you have any scumreads that were on one or both?
I thought you being non-alive/voteless meant that you were one of C.C or V.V. Your character's gender clears you of being VV, and with you being a noble I assume you're not CC either. Got a new theory on your char's role, now.

If you're scumreading me, why not vote? Did you know that you have a vote now, and do you know the reason? (Not asking you to say the reason, asking if the reason is known to you)

What about CD's conduct yesterday do you townread?

I only have one strong scumread at the moment, have to reconsider some reads now that DS flipped town. Off the DS wagon, I'm townreading Painbringer and Ari, definitely wouldn't go for either lynch today.
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Post Post #2332 (isolation #101) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:01 am

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Some of my speculation has to be thrown in the garbage after 2326. Fortunately none of my reads were based off of it, and I think DS being Geassed is the most elegant explanation even without the flavor text.
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Post Post #2334 (isolation #102) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:11 am

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In post 2333, Drone wrote:Um. Here's a thing to think about.
The "gifted" Knightmere? I got it.
I wasn't loyal to RR, nor vice versa. I'm not a royal.
Interesting. Did you receive it during the night, or after the Day started?
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #103) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:45 am

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In post 2336, keyXrb wrote:
In post 2309, Leonshade wrote:VOTE: CrystallineDagger'

@Painbringer & CrystallineDagger:
Are you two willing to break up? (Talk about a sentence I've never said before...) When people are expressing doubt about lynching a player for the sole reason that a townie might go with him, the lover relationship seems like a hostage situation.
CD and I unexpectedly now a couple.
Could you break up? I want CD's head without collateral damage.
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Post Post #2341 (isolation #104) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:54 am

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In post 2340, McMenno wrote:and why would cd agree to this
It would be scummy to disagree.

Surely you're not scum, CD?
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Post Post #2342 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:54 am

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Though that argument held more water when he was lovers with a TR, not an SR. This complicates matters.
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Post Post #2345 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:57 am

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Ah, fuck. I didn't realize that break-ups don't occur until the night.
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Post Post #2346 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:02 am

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No reason not to go full steam with my push, then.

CrystallineDagger switching places with ssbm matches the Geass ability of Marianne vi Britannia exactly. CD's claim is therefore pretty obviously a fakeclaim for Marianne. I will not agree to lynch anyone other than CD today.
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Post Post #2348 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:06 am

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@keyXrb:
What was ssbm_kyouko's claim? If I'm correct about CD being Marianne, CD might have kyouko's abilities now.
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Post Post #2351 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:12 am

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In post 2347, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2331, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2325, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2316, Leonshade wrote:Not Chara is almost certainly cleared of being V.V, Chara has a pink hat, and the Cupid Day took place between Alpaca going AWOL and Chara replacing in.
why would i be V.V in the first place? was that in your spec?
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What's your read on CD?

Not Chara:
Same question to you.
not for lack of trying, but i haven't been able to get a good read on the slot. i'd lean town, for how they conducted themselves with the entire 'sacrificing obvtown kyouko for no good reason' fiasco. there are other slots i'm more interested in lynching. namely, you. ;>

if not you, then someone on the Diamond/Drone wagons yesterday. do you have any scumreads that were on one or both?
I thought you being non-alive/voteless meant that you were one of C.C or V.V. Your character's gender clears you of being VV, and with you being a noble I assume you're not CC either. Got a new theory on your char's role, now.

If you're scumreading me, why not vote? Did you know that you have a vote now, and do you know the reason? (Not asking you to say the reason, asking if the reason is known to you)

What about CD's conduct yesterday do you townread?

I only have one strong scumread at the moment, have to reconsider some reads now that DS flipped town. Off the DS wagon, I'm townreading Painbringer and Ari, definitely wouldn't go for either lynch today.
1) okay.

2) i was made aware i have a vote now. i have an idea as to why. i'll vote when i've decided who to push, and am not until i'm no longer phoneposting from class.

3) i don't think scum would out their ability the way they did. it's a bit weak, but it would be better to hide it rather than warn town. Gamma's surly behaviour is also towny. and i was scumreading the wagon.

4) do you think Ds would have been the mislynch today had he not been killed?
3) What got you to scumread the wagon? Who did you scumread on the wagon, besides me? I disagree on hiding the ability, I think claiming the ability was an attempt to stop the oncoming wagon.

4) It would have been between CD and DS, like yesterday. I would have pushed for CD, though I might have settled for DS in exchange for CD breaking up with his lover.
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Post Post #2354 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:19 am

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In post 2349, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2346, Leonshade wrote:No reason not to go full steam with my push, then.

CrystallineDagger switching places with ssbm matches the Geass ability of Marianne vi Britannia exactly. CD's claim is therefore pretty obviously a fakeclaim for Marianne. I will not agree to lynch anyone other than CD today.
so you're alright with lynching CD and key entirely on flavour speculation? that's... weak.
why did you think it was a good idea to sacrifice kyouko, instead of having Painbringer kill CD if they ever died?
what about lynching key to get CD killed instead of risking an ability activation from CD, despite that being unlikely.
I'm 100% convinced CD is scum, and I don't have any other strong scumreads at the moment.

That was my original plan, but I wanted to test CD's claim (I only figured out the Marianne thing upon finding out that CD switched places with ssbm) and I wanted to keep Painbringer alive, as the slot is one of my top townreads. I figured that they could break up the next day, then we could lynch CD.

The latter is smart thinking, though an ability that can keep activating such a broken ability seems unlikely.
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Post Post #2357 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:23 am

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In post 2352, Not Chara wrote:3) if you had an ability like that and were town, what would you do. hide it, then? that's ridiculous. you're scumreading a behaviour that town would
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to take. i remember someone even saying CD should have claimed sooner, considering the deadline. i don't remember who that was.
i'd need to see the wagon again. i was scumreading more than you, though.

4) you had reads predicated on DS being scum, but you would have 'settled' for DS had he not died?
3) When did I say that I scumread the claim? I scumread CD and believe they claimed as scum. You're the one who claimed their claim was indicative of town, I disagreed.

4) I am 100% certain CD is scum. I merely scumread DS.
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #112) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:59 pm

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Fact 1: Kyouko hammered CD, in response triggering an ability CD claimed that lead to Kyouko dying without a flip.

Fact 2: CD is now in Kyouko's position in a lover PT with keyXrb.

Leon's conclusion: The two abilities are related, and CD is scum by virtue of lying about his claim. This also coincides with the ability being a perfect flavor match for a Geass ability in the source material.

Alternative possibilities: Someone else has an ability that says "switch a player's PT position with that of a dead player"?

The latter ability makes little sense and matches nothing I can think of in Code Geass. Also note that the game did not start with Lover PTs, they only exist because of Painbringer's ability. If PB hadn't used the ability, the PT thing would be an even worse ability. As such, I don't believe that such an ability exists.

Why does CD's "royal execution" not cause a flip? Because CD takes that person's spot.
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Post Post #2377 (isolation #113) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:02 am

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In post 2358, DarkInnocence wrote:Back from my V/LA
That was a somewhat expected kill I'm gonna have to re read a shit ton a tldr would be nice along with a few peeps to iso but I'll drag myself to a full re read if must
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Step 1: Read my previous post.

Step 2: Vote CrystallineDagger.
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Post Post #2378 (isolation #114) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 am

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In post 2374, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2310, Leonshade wrote:
KlingonCelt:
What's your read on CD?
I'm not well able to read either head.

Kyouko died in their place at lynch and CD took over her PT with KeyXrb. CD lost the PT with Painbringer.

Is that alignment indicative? Not really.

Painbringer trusted them enough to swap hats.
If CD is Scum, then PB probably are too. If PB are Town, then CD probably are too.
Except... Painbringer is scumreading CD. I can't remember if PB scumread CD during the hat swapping, but they were pretty clear that they were willing to be, and indeed wanted to be, lovers with scum, so they could force-suicide the scum player if they were NK'd.

And CD's scum motivation for being lovers with Painbringer? So that the threat of the force-suicide would be there, thus dissuading people from vigging or lynching CD unless necessary.
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Post Post #2383 (isolation #115) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:56 am

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In post 2380, Vecna wrote:Leon, is the ability to control someone a Geass in the show? I wonder if someone were to remove the Geass from CD whether SSBM would come back to life (since he is no longer being "controlled")
To be clear, the ability I theorize CD having is Marianne Vi Britannia's Geass ability, which allows her to swap bodies with another person upon her death. So yes, it is a Geass ability.

I hadn't thought of the latter. If someone has the ability to cancel a Geass, maybe they should PM Frozen Angel, asking if that would work.
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Post Post #2396 (isolation #116) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:22 am

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In post 2391, Drone wrote:But wait, wouldn't scum CD a bit too obvscum with that ability?
Without the lover PTs, we probably wouldn't have found out about the swap. Remember that the lover PTs were Painbringer's activated ability, not an inherent part of the game.
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In post 2376, Leonshade wrote:Fact 1: Kyouko hammered CD, in response triggering an ability CD claimed that lead to Kyouko dying without a flip.

Fact 2: CD is now in Kyouko's position in a lover PT with keyXrb.

Leon's conclusion: The two abilities are related, and CD is scum by virtue of lying about his claim. This also coincides with the ability being a perfect flavor match for a Geass ability in the source material.

Alternative possibilities: Someone else has an ability that says "switch a player's PT position with that of a dead player"?

The latter ability makes little sense and matches nothing I can think of in Code Geass. Also note that the game did not start with Lover PTs, they only exist because of Painbringer's ability. If PB hadn't used the ability, the PT thing would be an even worse ability. As such, I don't believe that such an ability exists.

Why does CD's "royal execution" not cause a flip? Because CD takes that person's spot.
Maybe ssbm had some power that forced his killer to take his place in all his PTs, I don't know, the game is bastard.
Yet you try to string it all together into some cause and effect.
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Kyouko had an ability like that but didn't claim it? Bullshit. Kyouko's death made him conftown, there would be zero benefit to a scum player sacrificing himself like that. And as a townie there was no reason to hide the ability.

The game being bastard doesn't make everything that happens random and meaningless. Everything is still based on player abilities and game mechanics, bastardness just makes the range of possibilities wider. Frozen Angel didn't just choose to switch you into a different PT to fuck with us, there was an in-game reason for the swap. And that reason is that it was your ability.
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #117) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:02 am

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VOTE: malpascp
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Post Post #2413 (isolation #118) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:49 am

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CD is a dirty scumfuck who disgusts me on a personal level, but we've already seen their trick. With an ability like that, they might not even have anything else. Other scum present a more immediate threat.
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #119) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:01 am

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@culted:
How sure are you about this?
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Post Post #2439 (isolation #120) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:11 am

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In post 2438, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2376, Leonshade wrote:Fact 1: Kyouko hammered CD, in response triggering an ability CD claimed that lead to Kyouko dying without a flip.

Fact 2: CD is now in Kyouko's position in a lover PT with keyXrb.

Leon's conclusion: The two abilities are related, and CD is scum by virtue of lying about his claim. This also coincides with the ability being a perfect flavor match for a Geass ability in the source material.

Alternative possibilities: Someone else has an ability that says "switch a player's PT position with that of a dead player"?

The latter ability makes little sense and matches nothing I can think of in Code Geass. Also note that the game did not start with Lover PTs, they only exist because of Painbringer's ability. If PB hadn't used the ability, the PT thing would be an even worse ability. As such, I don't believe that such an ability exists.

Why does CD's "royal execution" not cause a flip? Because CD takes that person's spot.

Okay, so CD is Scum. Not the best case, but I've seen worse. We get a wagon going, get them to L-1 - and then what? Whoever hammers them dies instead again? This might not be a good idea.

What about a Vig?
CD claimed that the ability triggers on any kind of death, including a vig, but it also only works on the first one. I believe both claims, as a repeating ability of that sort would be beyond broken.
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #121) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:21 am

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Towncred to Kain, McMemeo and DarkInnocence.
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Post Post #2444 (isolation #122) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:22 am

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Klingon... out of towncred, sorry.
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #123) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:18 am

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In post 2448, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2444, Leonshade wrote:Klingon... out of towncred, sorry.
There's something about you that makes me not care.
Rude.
In post 2449, Not Chara wrote:mal's fakeclaim matching his abilities means nothing. i'm saying to lynch this.
How certain are you of this?
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Post Post #2483 (isolation #124) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:30 pm

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In post 2458, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2452, Leonshade wrote:How certain are you of this?
60% certain by the claim alone.
by play, the number goes up. added to whatever culted might have on mal, it's a good lynch.
I can't sheep 60%, not over CD. I'm switching back unless culted has something solid.

We can leash mal's shot.
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Post Post #2484 (isolation #125) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:35 pm

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In post 2467, BTD6_maker wrote:Crystalline Dagger is not outright confscum. His claim seems unlikely (although I am not hugely familiar with flavour) but he could definitely be telling the truth given the ssbm_Kyouko lynch.

Malpascp's claim seems more unlikely, though again I will need knowledge of flavour to assess it.

I would say all players are likely to be PRs and have complex abilities.

Still no list of Nobles.
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Painbringer
davesaz (claimed Euphemia)
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Not Chara

Reasonably Rational was also a noble.

Should be everyone who has claimed thus far.
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Post Post #2485 (isolation #126) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:40 pm

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Oh, and Reasonably Rational was Cornelia and CD claimed that Japanese princess (P-edit: Kaguya Sumeragi) (and I believe that to be a fakeclaim for Marianne).

And Painbringer seems to be Milly.
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Post Post #2486 (isolation #127) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:46 pm

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Ari and I got the second MEOW/Pizza Day ability due to being the first couple during Cupid Day. We didn't know what it would do beforehand.

@malpascp:
What is the nation in your role PM?
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #128) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:08 am

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VOTE: CrystallineDagger

Tired of waiting for culted.
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Post Post #2507 (isolation #129) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:08 am

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L-2.
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Post Post #2535 (isolation #130) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:15 am

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In post 2532, Crystalline Dagger wrote:ok it's there lol
Has Leonshade stopped stretching to vote us
Yawn.
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #131) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:16 am

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In post 2511, BTD6_maker wrote:Still waiting on the list of Noble claims.
In post 2484, Leonshade wrote: Claimed Nobles:

Painbringer
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CrystallineDagger
KlingonCelt
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Not Chara

Reasonably Rational was also a noble.

Should be everyone who has claimed thus far.
In post 2485, Leonshade wrote:Oh, and Reasonably Rational was Cornelia and CD claimed that Japanese princess (P-edit: Kaguya Sumeragi) (and I believe that to be a fakeclaim for Marianne).

And Painbringer seems to be Milly.
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Post Post #2537 (isolation #132) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:24 am

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So if we're going to leash malpa's shot, who should he shoot?

I think KlingonCelt is scum. Don't like the way she waffled between the CD and mal wagon, trying to push the wagon towards mal before settling on CD due to the popularity of the wagon (see posts , and ).

The above is based on the assumption that Klingon is CD's buddy, trying to sway the wagon but bussing when she saw the way the wind blowed. If CD flipped town, I might read it different, but if CD flips scum, I would want Klingon shot.

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Post Post #2553 (isolation #133) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 2538, Not Chara wrote:leashing mal doesn't work, remember? the target has to be in a Knightmare. either you think mal is town, and let him shoot on his own based on who is in a KM, or you think he's scum and we lynch him today, as we should.
And you forget that mal's actual ability is destroying Knightmares, the vig (if the player is in the Knightmare) is basically a side effect of the ability. Even if we don't kill anyone with the shot, destroying a scum player's Knightmares would be a worthwhile use of the leash. Hell, just scaring scum players into not entering their Knightmare, and depriving them of their night abilities, might be worth the leash for at least one night.
In post 2545, Not Chara wrote:sure, but Leon's proposed plan won't hit scum. if scum is being targeted by mal, and mal isn't scum, then they won't get into their Knightmare if they have it. i suppose it would blow up the Knightmare, which would be good if Klingon is scum. but without a flip, it's just someone going around destroying Knightmares.
vigilantes are valuable if they aren't leashed. a leashed vigilante is useless. the only reason to leash a killer is if one thinks they're scum or an SK.

independently, i have Klingon leaning town. but that isn't my problem.

Leon, i don't know if i've made this clear yet, but i'm not really scumreading you anymore. if you have me as town, trust me on mal. or at
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wait for culted's return before we lynch. this is to everyone, i suppose.
Probably should've read this post before typing the above.

I don't think you're scum, though I've had had moments of paranoia due to our disagreements and what I've perceived as you discrediting my case on CD. The thing is, the only reason I sheeped culted onto malpa is that I thought culted had something that's essentially 100%, but as of right now I can't be sure if that's the case. I asked you how certain you were for the same reason, and for all I know you are 100% but aren't willing to claim so, but at the same time that stops me from sheeping you. If you think I'm town, know that I'm at least as confident in CD being scum as you are in mal. I can understand why you would scumread mal, and I'm not exactly townreading him based on his play, either, but I think that if I'm right on both CD and Klingon, mal is town.
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #134) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:51 am

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In post 2551, malpascp wrote:should i NOT use my ability?
Let's say you had free reign; who would you use it on, tonight?
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #135) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:02 am

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In post 2557, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2537, Leonshade wrote:So if we're going to leash malpa's shot, who should he shoot?

I think KlingonCelt is scum. Don't like the way she waffled between the CD and mal wagon, trying to push the wagon towards mal before settling on CD due to the popularity of the wagon (see posts , and ).

The above is based on the assumption that Klingon is CD's buddy, trying to sway the wagon but bussing when she saw the way the wind blowed. If CD flipped town, I might read it different, but if CD flips scum, I would want Klingon shot.

Thoughts?
I'm a total derp on Day 1, as such I'm usually lynched (or vig'ed Night 1) as low-hanging fruit. The experience leaves me feeling sorry for whoever ends up as the D1 lynch, and I'm reluctant to vote for someone that isn't a very strong read.
This post doesn't correspond to what I brought up, and it pings me hard to boot.

Let's pretend I'm taking you at face value: You are reluctant to vote for someone that isn't a strong read, so why did you vote for CD if you think the case against mal is better?
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #136) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:05 am

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In post 2559, Not Chara wrote:thank you for summarizing my argument against
leashing
mal, ari. leashing requires town determining who mal shoots before the day phase ends.
So you think mal shouldn't take a shot if we don't lynch him?

Would CD flipping scum cause you to reconsider your scumread on mal, or do you think they could be scum together? (I realize as I type this that 3P exists, so this might be a dumb question).
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #137) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:06 am

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In post 2602, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2566, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2559, Not Chara wrote:thank you for summarizing my argument against
leashing
mal, ari. leashing requires town determining who mal shoots before the day phase ends.
So you think mal shouldn't take a shot if we don't lynch him?

Would CD flipping scum cause you to reconsider your scumread on mal, or do you think they could be scum together? (I realize as I type this that 3P exists, so this might be a dumb question).
mal read has nothing to do with CD, so no. i don't think CD will flip scum, but it's a possibility. and it looks like their lynch is inevitable.

if i'm wrong on mal and he's town, next best bet is culted. asking mal to fullclaim as if they have a guilty, then backing down from that. not a fan.


my opinion on mal's shot doesn't matter. if he's town (i doubt this) his best judgement on whether he shoots. if he's scum, he'll do what's best for his position. i'm questioning why he wouldn't shoot because it looks like he just doesn'twant backlash for it.
I will refrain from having an opinion on this until I know culted's claim, and I'm not in a hurry to get him to claim. Pushing mal for a fullclaim seems brazen if it was a scum tactic.
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Post Post #2620 (isolation #138) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:15 am

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In post 2598, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2565, Leonshade wrote:

Let's pretend I'm taking you at face value: You are reluctant to vote for someone that isn't a strong read, so why did you vote for CD if you think the case against mal is better?
I figured, evidently correctly, that I was missing something in my CD read. The Mal wagon wasn't going anywhere and it's pretty much dissolved now.
Why did you sheep a wagon you weren't as certain about, instead of pushing for what you, in your own words, considered to have the stronger case?

Has your read on CD gotten stronger, or is your certainty simply based on the amount of people willing to lynch CD? If you could vig one right now, would you choose CD or mal?
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #139) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:39 am

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I believe it's just davesaz claiming Euphemia, Painbringer claiming Milly and malpascp claiming Kallen.
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Post Post #2639 (isolation #140) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:41 am

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@NC:
There is a case on CD, the fact that you disagree with it doesn't mean that there isn't a case.
In post 2637, davesaz wrote:Klingoncelt made an excuse about not liking to vote on
D1
unless a read is strong.
Leon used that to cast shade on Klingon's
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Either Klingon is being evasive by allowing Leon to expand the definition, or Leon is misrepping Klingon by that expansion. (Or they didn't understand / didn't care what the other was doing)

I'm trying to figure out what happened there and nobody is cooperating.
I don't especially like being ignored like that, but I've become accustomed to it.
I brought up posts by Klingon that were made D2. In response, she brought up her D1 play. That is why I said "that doesn't correspond".
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #141) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:43 am

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Not all investigative roles catch alignment, it is clear that culted has an investigative role (regardless of alignment) and that he either caught something he thought was scummy (if town) or caught something he could pressure a player over (if scum).
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Post Post #2648 (isolation #142) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:15 am

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I was sheeping culted. What other explanation would I have?
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Post Post #2691 (isolation #143) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:12 am

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In post 2658, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2620, Leonshade wrote:
Has your read on CD gotten stronger, or is your certainty simply based on the amount of people willing to lynch CD? If you could vig one right now, would you choose CD or mal?
First, I have trouble reading certain players, including both heads of the hydra. A Day1 Scumread on CD will be more like an FoS.

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McMenno, PainBringer, Drone, KainTepes, DarkInnocence, Klingoncelt

Drone I was Scumreading, everyone else shades of Null/Town. That makes the Day 1 wagon viable.

If I could Vig one right now, CD. If I could Vig at Night, whichever one survived the lynch.
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Post Post #2692 (isolation #144) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 am

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I'm ready for a CD lynch, but not in a rush to do so.

I've got a good amount of townreads, but CD's my only solid SR. If Klingon is town, there's probably scum in my townreads, too.
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #145) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:05 am

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@Mod: I will be V/LA from January 20th to the 24th.
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Post Post #2722 (isolation #146) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:08 am

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In post 2695, Alisae wrote:BTW Who's the doublevoter here?
Me.
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #147) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:12 am

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In post 2703, Gamma Emerald wrote:hydraslipping to say WHAT THE HELL SAJ
POST MORE GFDI
Why can't you post for your slot?
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Post Post #2767 (isolation #148) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:38 am

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Creature, what's your read on CD?

Some people seem to be losing hope on the CD wagon, probably because they're lurking out the pressure. It should definitely be the lynch for the day.

Don't see how the bastardness, at least so far, has hindered scumhunting. If CD flips as I've predicted, all the bastardness is explained by that one role.
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Post Post #2770 (isolation #149) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:52 am

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My doublevote is not merely possible. What is the incentive for me to claim at this point?
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Post Post #2772 (isolation #150) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:57 am

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I am indeed a doublevoter, and so far it has always worked as intended. My vote has only showed as single when I haven't doublevoted, FA has made no mod error that I've seen.
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Post Post #2773 (isolation #151) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:03 am

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I'm still townleaning Vecna, but the way he jumped on the CD wagon did give me a bit of a pause. He's been off the CD wagon for most of the day, then accelerates the wagon when there's pressure on him. I agree with randomidget that it would be worse if CD flips town, but at this point CD's lynch looks inevitable so CD's buddies would also have an incentive to be on the wagon.
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Post Post #2774 (isolation #152) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:12 am

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I'm interested in the exact workings of CD's swap, more specifically whether he knew that he would also switch lover PTs when his ability activates. If he didn't know and flips scum, Painbringer would be very likely town (as scum's incentive for a lover PT is the ability to force-suicide a townie). If he did know that he would swap lover PTs, then the action would be null.
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Post Post #2801 (isolation #153) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:39 am

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In post 2797, Vecna wrote:
In post 2753, Alisae wrote:My read on you changed cause of random and I thought you ran up Mal as a reaction test.
I'm TRing random so I am trusting him.

I SR Painbringer, Davesaz, and the KeyxRB hydra cuz Vecna said he was and I think he was bussing before he hopped on the CD wagon.

I also was SRing Kain and BTD, but Kain is probably town. BTD, eh maybe still scum.
I'm starting to think that CD is a mislynch.
So you have the exact same scumreads, yet youre thinking im scum because you dont like the process through which I got to my conclusions?

Lets make another wagon happen. CD is scum if CD = marrianne. I know someone that will remove Geass upon the CD wagon tonight. My suspicion is this will kill a scum player while bringing a town player back from the dead. If the geass removal doesnt do much.....the assumption that CD = marriane might be wrong. Either way, its a cool mechanical adventure that id like to see through.

Lets lynch some actual scum.

UNVOTE: Crystaline dagger
As glorious and hilarious an outcome as the resurrection of our Lord and Savior ssbm_Kyouko (PBUH) would be, I highly doubt that Geass removal will lead to a resurrection. More likely Kyouko is chilling in the dead thread with a harem of spoilers to tend to his every need.

Besides, the objective of this game is not to dispel scum abilities, but to lynch scum. CD is the leading wagon, but not a lynch that town unanimously agrees upon. People are losing hope in the wagon despite CD doing literally nothing, just lurking the pressure away. Apathy and uncertainty does not lead to town making good decisions, it leads to scum misdirection and shitty compromise lynches. A red flip is required so that town can be united in their certainty in something.

There is no counterwagon that is better than a CD lynch. Mal looks more likely town than not at this point, davesaz I couldn't give a flying fuck about right now, and other names I've seen thrown around I'm either townreading or largely ambivalent about. Even KlingonCelt is a lynch that I didn't even want to do before CD, and now I'm having second thoughts on that. A CD lynch is something that 50+ percent of the town can be content-to-happy about, and for me, personally, the flip will either confirm or debunk a lot of thoughts I've had about the game so far.

You want fun and entertainment? For me, the fun of mafia is solving the puzzle, testing my solution and getting the satisfaction of a red flip. Let me be satisfied.
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Post Post #2802 (isolation #154) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:53 am

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I'm going on V/LA Friday, and I don't want to come back to find out that town decided to go for a coinflip lynch on some lurker because they got bored of voting for the scummiest player in the game thus far.

CD is also lurking, except CD started lurking after there was heavy pressure on them, and one head of the hydra posted in the topic telling the other head of the hydra to start posting, because the Gamma head is the one that got the slot scumread in the first place so the hydra doesn't want the scummy head posting anymore, even at the expense of participating in the game. This behavior alone is grounds for a scumread, town players are not prone to sacrificing contribution to the game in the face of a scumread. That's certainly not my experience with a town!Gamma, Gamma would be more active right now if he was town.
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Post Post #2803 (isolation #155) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:06 am

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In post 2775, Creature wrote:I'd like to know the real case on CD though.
Short version is that it started from a bad post or two the Gamma-head made during D1. That got the slot pressure, so the Jin-head largely took over the posting duties of the hydra, in a more apologetic/conciliatory tone. The Jin-head also made a veiled threat about what would happen if he got lynched, and close to the deadline, when he was the leading wagon, claimed a Japanese princess who had the "Royal Execution" ability, leading to the first person who would either vig or hammer him dying without a flip.

My personal hero SSBM_Kyouko (PBUH) offered to sacrifice himself and hammer CD, giving his lover keyXrb his claim in case CD was telling the truth. What CD claimed happened.

On D2, we find out that CD is now lovers with keyXrb. This lead to the theory that CD lied about his claim and is instead Marianne, who has the Geass ability to swap bodies with another person upon her death. It would explain not just the change of lovers, but also why the ability causes not just death, but death without a flip (as CD is literally becoming that person).

CD has been the leading wagon for pretty much all of D2, with a quick foray to malpascp. During D2, CD has mostly lurked, with the Gamma head popping up in the thread to tell the other thread to post more a day or two ago.

So some scummy posts, CD probably lying about his PR and a bunch of lurking in the face of pressure.
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Post Post #2804 (isolation #156) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:10 am

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Don't want mal to shoot Creature tonight, my read on DarkInnocence was null with minor towncred.

Interested in discussing the idea of Knightmare owners claiming. It might just be a good idea, since we're going to find out who is going to be in a Knightmare N2 (and going forward?) anyway. Speak up if you think there's some downside to it I'm not thinking of.
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Post Post #2884 (isolation #157) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:16 am

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In post 2855, culted wrote:
In post 2849, Creature wrote:but I replaced DarkInnocence.
OH NOOOOOOOOOO WAY?
That makes my read on you even stronger~
What are you scumreading about Creature's play?
In post 2868, keyXrb wrote:ohhhhhhhhhhh can we add leonshade plz pretty plz i like leonshade <3333333333333333
But I want to lynch the one guy you don't want :(
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Post Post #2885 (isolation #158) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:18 am

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In post 2824, culted wrote:
In post 2804, Leonshade wrote:Don't want mal to shoot Creature tonight, my read on DarkInnocence was null with minor towncred.
The fuck?
The towncred came from pushing CD over mal when both wagons were about even.
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Post Post #2923 (isolation #159) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:50 am

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Shining Finger: BTDMaker


While we're faking dayvigs.
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Post Post #2926 (isolation #160) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:31 am

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Spoiler:
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Why did I make this?
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #161) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:28 pm

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Sitting in a train, waiting for a hammer.
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Post Post #2942 (isolation #162) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:40 pm

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What vote?
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Post Post #2947 (isolation #163) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:16 pm

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UNVOTE: CD

Out him at L1, I'll hammer.
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Post Post #2949 (isolation #164) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:21 pm

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VOTE: CD
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #165) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:59 pm

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YOU KILLED MY LOVER! PREPARE TO DIE!

(after I get back from VLA).

Note that the force-suicide defaults to no after 24 hours, so CD might have simplu accidentally let key live.
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Post Post #2978 (isolation #166) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:00 am

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mal: did you shoot anyone last night?
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Post Post #2979 (isolation #167) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:02 am

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Two deaths N1, one death N2. Vig or 3P?
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Post Post #2982 (isolation #168) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:43 am

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Mal:
Why didn't you get in your knightmare last night?

Vecna:
Don't think scum go afk by choice there, but 24 hours can go by without time for mafia.
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #169) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:46 am

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In post 2981, Vecna wrote:
In post 2977, McMenno wrote:no lynching keyxrb on stupid wifomy reasons on my watch please

VOTE: vecna
I think you dont understand the meaning of wifom. Confirmed scum had a chance to kill someone. They chose not to. Besides, I was already scumreading KeyRB anyways for a long time, this just is the nail in the coffin.

VOTE: KeyRB

But hey, choose to remain useless all game if u prefer
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McMemeo was on the scum wagon, don't like this sentence.
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Post Post #3084 (isolation #170) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:41 am

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Phoneposting some quick thoughts.

Vecna makes a good point about the Gamma head's activity and game state awareness. CD choosing to not kill keyXrb for WIFOM to set up a potential mislynch would be a really bad play so I would probably vote for key on principle if I knew it was a conscious decision.

But I don't know that, and I trust that sheeping this will lead to good things.

VOTE: KlingonCelt
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Post Post #3085 (isolation #171) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:43 am

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Don't think I don't see you lurking KlingonCelt, you could do something other than ask for a VC. Your play D2 looked like a bus.
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Post Post #3086 (isolation #172) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:46 am

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Oh, I also find it interesting that Kyouko would have also chosen to claim his flavor instead of fullclaiming. And that I had to prod key before he gave Kyouko's claim. Trying to hide CD's new role?
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Post Post #3087 (isolation #173) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:51 am

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VOTE: randomidget

Vote I meant to make.

Randomidget, keyXrb, KlingonCelt. The three lynches I want.
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #174) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:59 am

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CD was scum, how can anyone still disagree on this point? Town!CD wouldn't have lied about his role.
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Post Post #3105 (isolation #175) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:02 am

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In post 2994, malpascp wrote:
In post 2982, Leonshade wrote:
Mal:
Why didn't you get in your knightmare last night?
Uuuh what? What makes you say this?
Because the people who were in their Knightmares last night were posted in the thread, and my name was the only one in the list.

I repeat my question: why were you not in your knightmare?
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Post Post #3120 (isolation #176) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:30 pm

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Eh, I actually believe mal.

This game is dying, time to do stuff.

VOTE: keyXrb

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Post Post #3128 (isolation #177) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:21 am

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In post 3123, Vecna wrote:Also remember, if this (KeyRB) flips scum without Painbringer doing anything properly reasoned out with the wagon PAINBRINGER needs a LOT of attention tomorrow.

The painbringer slot was scumreading KeyRB all of D1 and making a big fuss about it. Now that theres a lot more evidence for it, theyre suddenly trying to push another wagon.
Forgot about that.

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What's your current read on keyXrb?
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Post Post #3130 (isolation #178) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:07 am

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Reason being?
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #179) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:45 am

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Huh.
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Post Post #3137 (isolation #180) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:47 am

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In post 3121, Alisae wrote:Claim in your next post.
Any idiot who decides would be a good idea to lolhammer is getting rekt tomorrow.
I think McMenno is town, so no.
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #181) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:48 pm

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VOTE: KlingonCelt

Time to die, Charles.
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Post Post #3151 (isolation #182) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:51 pm

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Painbringer wasn't noble after all? Ari didn't even realize that he wasn't loyal to PB, he asked on the last night if he should kill him after all.
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Post Post #3153 (isolation #183) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:52 pm

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And Chara's PM doesn't say that she was voteless, or how she got her vote back. Hmm.

P-Edit: Because she's scum, more in a sec.
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #184) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:00 pm

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Two living claimed nobles left. One of them is davesaz, who has claimed Euphemia and at least is confirmed a woman by the color of his hat. He didn't pick a hat color, and his hat defaulted to pink.

KlingonCelt's the other noble, who picked a pink hat. Either to hide her character's true gender or because she felt like it, it's irrelevant. But we're running out of claimed nobles fast, so unless one of the scum nobles decided to not claim (plausible if they don't benefit from loyalty), the amount of nobles KC can actually be is narrowed down to only a few. One of these just so happens to be Charles, the most likely scum-aligned character in the game (and every flipped character has had their alignment according to their flavor thus far).

I already hear the cries of weak flavor spec, and while that weak flavor spec caught us CD, I'm also scumreading Klingon independent of flavor stuff. Her behavior around the CD wagon D2 looked like a bus, and she's largely been evasive during my interactions with her.
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #185) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:02 pm

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I assume that Painbringer was under a keyXrb Geass not to scumread/lynch him anymore, makes sense with their relationship and with PB's weird behavior.

McMenno:
Did you know that you were in a faction with key? Did you know your hammer would've been fake without the mod error?
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Post Post #3158 (isolation #186) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:05 pm

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Town

Alisae
malpascp
McMenno
culted
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Vecna

Null

BTD6_maker
davesaz
randomidget
KainTepes

Scum

Klingoncelt

Reads not in a particular order, though Alisae is my top TR.
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Post Post #3159 (isolation #187) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:06 pm

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In post 3157, McMenno wrote:I knew I was in a faction with him, yes. I didn't realize at the time of the hammet that it wouldn't work. I realized after the flip, after which I immediatepy told fa
Why did you hammer him?
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Post Post #3164 (isolation #188) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:11 pm

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In post 3161, Alisae wrote:Leon you think the scum on the KeyxRB wagon was KC?
How do you even know scum was on the wagon to begin with?

pedit: I diagree with the culted TR. also McMenno and Kain aren't town cause they're third party?
I don't know if there was scum on the key wagon, what makes you say that? When I talked about the bus, I meant the CD wagon. Her jump on the wagon pinged me.

culted TR is based on his softing, McMenno and Kain's 3P alignment went away due to the mod error.

I guess I would guess that Kain is town for choosing to join the special zone? Not that we knew that the win condition would change, but we knew you couldn't kill the others.
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Post Post #3166 (isolation #189) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:13 pm

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VOTE: BTD6_Maker

Don't want to lynch him, but I want to know what voting him feels like.

P-Edit: Hold the fort Alisae, I'll be right back.
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Post Post #3172 (isolation #190) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:18 pm

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Alisae, why didn't you get in your knightmare N2?
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Post Post #3176 (isolation #191) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:17 pm

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VOTE: Creature

Might as well do the rest of the playerlist.
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Post Post #3177 (isolation #192) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:52 pm

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Painbringer was in the "noble hood", right?

@davesaz, KlingonCelt
: Are you also in the hood?
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Post Post #3186 (isolation #193) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:18 am

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In post 3178, Vecna wrote:Did someone still have an overview of all the flavourclaims? I think I have a good way of sorting quite a bunch of them.
davesaz: Euphemia
malpascp: Kallen

I think that's it.
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #194) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:23 am

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In post 3179, Vecna wrote:Also, judging by the information we now have, were definately looking for SUZAKU KURURUGI as a scumlord id say.
What makes you say that?
In post 3180, Vecna wrote:Also of note: Kaintepes + McMenno are both lovers and both joined the special zone together.

Did you guys notice any suspect behaviour that might indicate who was the target of the GEASS cast by lelouch? The 3 word mind controll?

Also, Malpas hasnt used his knightmare anymore since he was outted by culted. Strange
Painbringer dropped the keyXrb scumread after D1/D2, so I assume they were one of the Geassed people.
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In post 2421, malpascp wrote:I cannot pledge loyalty, and cannot be protected.
If I'm wearing my Knightmare, I can target someone and destroy any Knightmares they have. If they are wearing it they die. Also cannot be blocked or redirected.

Any questions?
Do you guys think this could be the abilities for Suzaku Kururugi as well as Kallen? According to the wiki they both have shaky loyalties that are all over the place - Are both characters major enough for them to both make sense in this setup? How does it compare to the role in the show from the character that was Lelouch's fakeclaim?
Both Kallen and Suzaku are main characters, whereas Lelouch's fakeclaim was a minor character. Could that be Suzaku's abilities? Maybe? I don't think mal is Suzaku, though.

One thing to keep in mind that joining the Special Zone would change your nationality from "Honorary Britannian" to something else (Special Zone or something like that?). Suzaku is the only Honorary Britannian in Code Geass.
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Post Post #3188 (isolation #195) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:25 am

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malpa deliberately asked for a blue hat, so we can't check his char's gender that way.
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Post Post #3189 (isolation #196) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:29 am

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I'd assumed that Suzaku would be town, but his flavor actually makes a lot of sense as anti-freedom. Hmm.
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Post Post #3190 (isolation #197) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:38 am

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With two deaths again, I assume there's also a 3P. Mao, maybe?
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Post Post #3197 (isolation #198) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:07 am

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In post 3191, davesaz wrote:Postgame I'm gonna want to know why Painbringer fakeclaimed noble. And there's a big fat told you so for the people who cast shade on me for calling them out.
I am not part of the "noble hood", if there even is one. I've been assuming it's really "student council" based on the flavor.

Someone claimed to not know what the effect is of being pledged to as noble. That person is scum if they have not already flipped town.

No on geass, yes on non-geass ability, no on having a knightmare available to me.
It was keyXrb, and their role PM indeed didn't mention what loyalty to them does.

The student council PT makes a lot of sense, it also explains why Painbringer claimed that key wasn't a noble (because PB wasn't, so they assumed key was lying).
In post 3196, Alisae wrote:We shouldn't be judging who is what alignment is based of off flavor because we don't have a scum flip yet.
CEEDEEEEEEEE

(Though it's true that we still don't know the scum faction).
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Post Post #3199 (isolation #199) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:11 am

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That's why we're lynching Klingon, my friend!
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