In Memory

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:12 pm

In post 1259, Lycanfire wrote:you were rping and annoying so i rped with you. i thought you were scumslipping by speaking for klingoncelt when she was being oblivious to the set up and wanted to see your reaction to being called on it. referencing your pants was original thought

Yes because a natural reaction to scumslipping is to not call it out and then sheep the wagon. That is how Town reacts to believed scumslipping. /sarcasm

It means that whenever people talk about claims they are usually covered with pants and underwear. When people claim they drop pants.But you already knew this as evidenced by the post.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:15 pm

TBH I want Lycanfire to confirm the hood leak. Lycan fire is clearly tripping over himself. Granted I still think Rach Marie is scum based on a meta read and she is pissing me off for dropping pants. But Lycanfire is the logical read and RM is fueled by anger. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong but I would rather go with caughtscum.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:17 pm

It was fun to RP

FYI I am not really taken but Sanvers is the cutest couple ever.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:18 pm

In post 1268, RachMarie wrote:Who is trixie and you have a PT with her?

It is because I said Great and Powerful Trixie as the stopping point of where I was genuinely rereading Shadowrun Mafia.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:21 pm

In post 1272, RachMarie wrote:If it makes you feel any better, after being killed by town vig on N1 on the other site, and the game ended today with our don being an ass the whole game and busing the entire scum team like she was a lone ranger then blaming us for losing, and not herself, I lost it and yelled at her and screamed at everyone on the after game thread for like 5 post

It has been a rough time, December always is.

PEDIT oh so you slipped something she knew ok.

No I said something in the game that made her think it is her argument. Whether I believe it or not is a whole other matter.

Lycanfire has no such argument because he can't.

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:24 pm

In post 1273, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1268, RachMarie wrote:Who is trixie and you have a PT with her?
The Great and Powerful Trixie was a post restriction Math had in another game.

I was forbidden from using any self referencing pronouns at all. It was horribly hard to be scum, maintain activity, be on every freaking run because Town read, get forced into a claim by JaeReed, get a scum vigged on D1, not let Town know unless we threw everything on a mission it would pass. Some days on weekends especially I was posting for like 18 hours straight. While trying to maintain no pronouns. Like it was insane.

-- Math

Pedit Lycanfire there is no shade from you. There is no battle you are conf scum

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:27 pm

In post 1277, Lycanfire wrote:there is no real argument either, beyond the one you say you have.

The one I displayed where you have access to info you shouldn't. Check.

-- MathBlade

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:31 pm

In post 1279, Lycanfire wrote:because i had a feeling you were mathblade and you confirmed that you were mathblade before RM did? then you got pissed off at RM for revealing something that was already public knowledge?

You can't have had a feeling that I was MathBlade. You don't know me.
Even if you say you could have that feeling you don't know me well enough to say my pants are slipping.

It wasn't public knowledge I was in the game.
Kling who has played many games with me said they didn't know til Trixie. So clearly not public knowledge. Flail harder.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:40 pm

In post 1281, Lycanfire wrote:okay so there's no argument. thanks for clarifying.

That is an argument. Going to bed.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:12 pm

In post 1295, Lycanfire wrote:so jaereed are you going to keep pretending you and deo weren't talking about mathblade before posts 1203/1207? he was practically felating himself in 1181 and you responded in 1183.

Math's preferred pronoun is they.

Please respect that.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:30 am

Man outing scum brings games to crawls.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:00 am

That post is horrible. Literally the case on him is that he has to be communicating with someone I know so you suggest two 3P roles. Awesome. Congrats on your derp town read.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:06 pm

In post 1320, Creature wrote:Lycan is town though.

This requires explanation.

--Math

Especially how Town Lycanfire would know about my meta.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 1313, Creature wrote:The only possible 3p is Serial Killer with the classic "kill everyone to win", and there can be only one.

Hence derp town --Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:13 pm

Ugh one of JaeReed or Kling is scums. I don't like the JaeReed fight because Lycan didn't call me a fucker when Lycan supposedly scumread me but did to JaeReed. Feels like fake distancing but I also don't like Klingon copying arguments either.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:48 pm

It isn't the fight/not fight that concerns me it is the tone.

Lycan looks more pissed at you than at me. That looks like terribad distancing which can happen with a forced bus.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:16 pm

I like brains more than deference. Sheeping is bad.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:18 pm

That is L-1 If I can count this time.

-- Math

Watch your votes people.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:21 pm

In post 1338, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1334, The DEO wrote:It isn't the fight/not fight that concerns me it is the tone.

Lycan looks more pissed at you than at me. That looks like terribad distancing which can happen with a forced bus.

-- Math
He's in discredit mode. Has been since I first said anything about him before all the revelations from RM.

Obviously he is. It is a matter of if it is genuine or scum distancing I want to know.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:25 pm

In post 1342, The DEO wrote:
In post 1338, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1334, The DEO wrote:It isn't the fight/not fight that concerns me it is the tone.

Lycan looks more pissed at you than at me. That looks like terribad distancing which can happen with a forced bus.

-- Math
He's in discredit mode. Has been since I first said anything about him before all the revelations from RM.
Obviously he is. It is a matter of if it is genuine or scum distancing I want to know.

MathBlade a huge Sanvers shipper <3

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:33 pm

Postie
drealmersz7
RachMarie
Creature
Vedith
Gamma Emerald
Klingoncelt
LycanFire
Creeps20
KuroiXHF

This is the list of people I have had at least one post with as of the post of likely slip.

I left off JaeReed because at the time the slot was filled by Clemency. It is still theoretically possible someone with enough meta from me outside the hood told Lycanfire but I doubt it. Extremely so. Just wanted everyone to have this list.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:35 pm

Most likely is Kling or RM though.

-- Math

JaeReed light scumread is because of Lycanfire'S reaction

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:38 pm

In post 1347, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think I've heard the pants joke. If I have refer me to where.

I explained it earlier. It is more because pants cover your private parts they cover your role. So dropping pants is outing role info. A soft claim is if you are in underwear.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:39 pm

I say it in almost every game I am in. It is like I will always talk about pants.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:46 pm

Yup. It came up in a game offsite in a rant I did or someone did don't remember how and it just sorta stuck around.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:12 pm

In post 1360, Gamma Emerald wrote:DEO thinks someone slipped MathBlade-based info to Lycan via scumtalk.

That is pretty much it in a nutshell.

-- Math

Usually my cases are much longer but Gamma summarized it quite nicely. Others added their own reasoning after.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:14 pm

In post 1212, The DEO wrote:
In post 729, Lycanfire wrote:agent, i do believe that you are slipping. do remember that pants are an important item in the workplace.
Lycanfire needs rope badly. I have never played with them so this pants comment makes no sense.

-- Math

Post is here

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:15 pm

So until Lycanfire explains how he knew it was me in post 729 and how to crumb my meta not interested in other lynches.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:16 pm

In post 1370, Vedith wrote:What information though?

He told me my pants are slipping which showed Lycanfire knew it was me. A fact impossible for Lycanfire to know.

-- Math

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:17 pm

In post 1368, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow and JaeReed had me thinking I fuqed up.

JaeReed added stuff later.

The DEO · Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:22 pm

In post 1357, JaeReed wrote:No, but the way drealmerz is doing it is bugging me.

Drealmerz likely derp town.

-- this and prior post by Math

Good night all.

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:55 am

In post 1377, Vedith wrote:
In post 1375, Creature wrote:Is Lycan L-1 already?
Vote him.

Lycan is an it based on his profile.

Lycan's motive would be to buddy me which again could be Town or Scum based. If Lycan would have had a PT that would make everything make sense but without claiming a PT I don't see how Lycan can be Town.

-- Math

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:56 am

In post 1389, Creature wrote:I don't think Lycan is scum.

This needs explanation. Why do you ignore requests for that?

-- Math

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:58 am

In post 1384, Lycanfire wrote:there's also a gigantic amount of shit that's been posted today that people are happily ignoring in favor of this vanity wagon. let me post. g'nite

Then why don't you talk about this pile of shit? Give reads. Explain. Because you don't have reads.

-- Math

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:51 am

Assume I am an idiot because I don't see what you are calling obvious. Explain it to me.

-- MathBlade

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:54 am

It needs rope. I agree.

@Vedith -- Sorry to see you go

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:54 am

In post 1404, The DEO wrote:It needs rope. I agree.

@Vedith -- Sorry to see you go

-- Math

The DEO · Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:55 am

In post 1400, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1337, Klingoncelt wrote:
V/LA until January 2nd, holiday stuff.
Two weeks of V/LA, are you kidding me?

I think there has to be some kind of limit or something.
If Kling meets posting requirements it would be irrelevant thought technically.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:57 am

In post 1415, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait that's a different list

That is the proper list.

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:58 am

In post 1417, Lycanfire wrote:I'm
Tito, representing the nation of Yugoslavia
.

I have two roles in one.

Dictator: [redacted]

Country: Delayed Death

reads

town { postie, kuroi, klingoncelt, creature, zefiend, deimos }
townlean { vedith, creeps20}
scumlean { gamma emerald, rachmarie, DEO, jaereed}
kingscum { drealmerz7 }

i've completed the notes for my reread but it's 5:30am, i haven't had any sleep and i work at 2. if you want to lynch me you can't actually get rid of me. i know i'm a dissident voice and that's annoying but you're stuck with me. one thing you ought to consider is that there will probably be a night after this day period. see ya later

Yes sure L-1 redacted claims and Creature not explaining his town read after asked multiple times...Because this is townie

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:59 am

That last sentence was sarcastic.

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:02 am

In post 1425, Creature wrote:We can't complain about wagons not going through and just go after the first wagon that gets enough support. It'll be way worse if we get in a LyLo with 3-4 scum alive.

This isn't the first wagon that got support it is the second. And it has a bonafide scum claim. Until you explain how Lycanfire knew to do that there is 0 reason not to vote him. None.

I have been hunting for Lycanfire's likely partners a while and then when outed it became pretty obvious Lycanfire is scum. The question is why do you deny the obvious?

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:56 am

Lucan is scu. RM is scum. Nothing has changed.

RM needs a bus to go through, so how is that going to happen?

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:56 am

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:00 am

And Lucan cannot very well sit out while arguing that RM and I are scumbuddies.

VOTE: RachMarie

Ok, I will clear this with Math later.

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:41 am

WTF Is this shit? There is NO clearing it with me. Lycanfire made a post that is damn near stalker level creepy and conf scum. The only reason I don't move my vote is because Titus would just move it back and it'd be a hydra storm shit fest. No. I do not like that because it forces anyone with a town read of RM to vote her. That argument could be used for literally any wagon. Don't get me wrong I think RM is scum but Lycanfire should absolutely be the lynch today. That paragraph of posts I did not claim myself once, in fact I was rather mocking of my own playstyle.

This is horrible and creeps me the hell out.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:48 am

Lycan is flailing hard core. He said The DEO (our slot) wouldn't be tunnelling this hard unless we didn't believe it. And then not a few moments later he calls scum.

He didn't even full claim at L-1 and redacted some of it.

Then all of a sudden an RM wagon comes up. This makes me skiddish of my RM read. My gut still says she's scum but this wagon is terrible. Get your votes back on Lycanfire now unless you can fucking explain how a townie without communication to anyone knows my damn meta well enough without damn near stalking me to say that post.

Put your damn votes back. NOW.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:18 pm

In post 1452, Postie wrote:
In post 1450, The DEO wrote:I do not like that because it forces anyone with a town read of RM to vote her.
Who the hell is townreading and/or against an RM lynch at this point though? Even if there are people townreading her, I'm pretty sure that it's less than the amount of scum in the game, so scum are still forced to bus unless they want to suddenly and inexplicably reverse their read on her.

Unless my meta read on RM was wrong yes. In essence people are sheeping my meta read of RM to come off of lynching conf scum Lycanfire. Your argument can be used of any wagon though. Lycanfire was at L-1 until people started unvoting Lycan for the shadiest of reasons. So yeah as far as I'm concerned people switching votes off conf scum should be looked at hard.

You're not going to convince me that someone who literally claimed my meta to be to try to buddy me is town without having played a single game with me. I am creeped out right now and very disappointed in these vote moves.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:23 pm

Then why are you voting RM? If it's anything less than conf scum I will not be amused.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 1456, JaeReed wrote:Because it's clear a Lycan lynch isn't happening today. I'm not going to vote park on what quickly became a vanity wagon when I think 2 people are scum.

Lycan was at L-1 with a shit ton of day left. What do you mean it's clear that it isn't going to happen?

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:56 pm

You mean again? This is bullshit. Lycan isn't probable scum. He's fucking goddamn confirmed. Even if he suspected it was me, even if you buy the argument that he figured it out it was me when everyone who has played with me didn't, then how did he know to crumb my meta having never played with me.

This is making me all kinds of skiddish on the RM wagon and I wish I had a gun to shoot Lycanfire right the fuck now.
I don't like your slot JaeReed because if RM is town then Lycanfire did a distancing earlier of you and you and Lycanfire and someone who has played with me are all scum. Suspecting Creature because he says conf scum is town and will not explain. So Lycanfire/JaeReed/Creature. The last one could be RM based on a meta read but I like Creature more for it now.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:57 pm

I'm busy and have to go do things but as far as I'm concerned I'm going to be extremely disappointed if Lycanfire isn't lynched.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:06 pm

RM is the better play imo. Lycan must bus RM. There is our busser.

RM doesn't have to bus Lycan. Math is thinking that her scumtell is flawless when it isn't. Lycan scum says RM or Gamma. RM scum provides the foundation to lynch Lycan.

Math needs to learn to chill.

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:07 pm

I haven't been able to explain this to Math, and that's my fault between RL, sick husbands, and then catching what he has. I stopped paying as much attention to hydra games.

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:14 pm

In post 1467, Creature wrote:Can we get decided?

Yes, but please hold until I can talk to my sibling on the phone. They's basically thinking anything not roping Lycan is scum motivated at the moment.

RM is the best lynch for today IMO. If RM and Lycan are not scum together, we will prove it.

~Titus

The DEO · Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:05 pm

VOTE: RM

We're doing this. Math is taking a time out for a bit.

The DEO · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:18 pm

In post 1475, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1427, The DEO wrote:
In post 1415, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait that's a different list
That is the proper list.
No it isn't.

I want a list of everyone in this game that you have played with in previous games. Me. JaeReed. RachMarie.

Who else?

Didn't you use the "pants" reference in Wake's game (along with the nachos?)

In other games?

Is LycanFire an alt?

That is the list.

I use the pants thing a lot.

-- Math

The DEO · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:19 pm

In post 1345, The DEO wrote:Postie
drealmersz7
RachMarie
Creature
Vedith
Gamma Emerald
Klingoncelt
Creeps20
KuroiXHF

This is the list of people I have had at least one post with as of the post of likely slip.

I left off JaeReed because at the time the slot was filled by Clemency. It is still theoretically possible someone with enough meta from me outside the hood told Lycanfire but I doubt it. Extremely so. Just wanted everyone to have this list.

-- Math

Here it is for you. If you want to find games I have played with them in search for their userid.

--Math

(Removed Lycanfire because they some how got back in there)

The DEO · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:03 pm

It's the Titus approach and thank you.

~Titus

The DEO · Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:13 pm

In post 1500, The DEO wrote:
In post 1345, The DEO wrote:Postie
drealmersz7
RachMarie
Creature
Vedith
Gamma Emerald
Klingoncelt
Creeps20
KuroiXHF

This is the list of people I have had at least one post with as of the post of likely slip.

I left off JaeReed because at the time the slot was filled by Clemency. It is still theoretically possible someone with enough meta from me outside the hood told Lycanfire but I doubt it. Extremely so. Just wanted everyone to have this list.

-- Math
Here it is for you. If you want to find games I have played with them in search for their userid.

--Math

(Removed Lycanfire because they some how got back in there)

I haven't....

The DEO · Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:13 pm

The DEO · Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:05 am

That death tunnel is what I am trying to prevent by working with Titus to lynch RM/boring I would much prefer Lycanfire. I am trying to prevent the hydra arguments from hell.

Never ask how something is a scum ability Vax. I as a 3P on another site invented an alternate universe (literally) just to get a confirmed town threat lynched.

-- MathBlade

The DEO · Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:39 pm

Sigh. Really starting to hate this game.

-- Math

Lycan should be the lynch but we are only doing Titus because she says so.

The DEO · Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:41 pm

Boring what Titus wants which is boring because she says so*

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:47 am

In post 1575, RadiantCowbells wrote:Postie smells.

Amazing probably. Please don't insult players even as a joke.

Vote count please.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:52 pm

.....Gay better mean awesome and not insulting.

I am a bit scared of what Lycanfire is going since he is very very very close to confscum to me. I didn't say he was conf scum happy Klingon?

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:49 pm

In post 1591, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 1589, The DEO wrote:.....Gay better mean awesome and not insulting.

I am a bit scared of what Lycanfire is going since he is very very very close to confscum to me. I didn't say he was conf scum happy Klingon?

-- Math
how do you not know what fully automated luxury gay space communism is?

am i even playing mafia right now?

No I don't.

And yes you are and as a lover of women with a biological body of female (I don't call myself female) I would like an explanation.

And you are playing mafia.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:50 pm

@Klingon -- Much as I wish it was Lycan yes. Because Titus says so.

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:50 pm

-- Math prior post also me*

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:54 pm

...Patience running thin. Anger running high. Really really wish I could lynch you into dirt right now. What is that from "humble memer"?

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:59 pm

No. titus wants boring she gets boring or I vote the conf scum in my head which is Lycanfire and I am not waking Titus at midnight. You can explain if it is easy.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:00 pm

The you can explain it is easy is about 1601.

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:00 pm

--Math sigh this is why I don't do hydras.

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:02 pm

In post 1607, Lycanfire wrote:i told you to ask titus to tell you what a meme is

then jaereed had to ruin everything. how is he not scum to you when he pulls shit like this?

I know what a meme is. I work in tech for Christ's sake.

What I am asking is how you are not being pejorative to gay people? And what that reference is about.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:03 pm

In post 1607, Lycanfire wrote:i told you to ask titus to tell you what a meme is

then jaereed had to ruin everything. how is he not scum to you when he pulls shit like this?

I can deal with the whole is or isn't JaeReed later. I Waffle on him. Not my are la of attention right now.

-- Math

The DEO · Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:15 pm

In post 1610, JaeReed wrote:lol because I'm not scum and you don't know how to read me. Both Lycan and Math.

let's just get kuroi. I can't pull up quotes tonight or tomorrow because new years prep and the day after I am probably still going to be drunk bcuz I gotta deal with fam, but if we still have time after that I can throw up some quotes to support

I trust KTS and I should probs trust my own reads more so yeah

What Titus wants Titus gets.

@Lycanfire *sigh* I am so done. So very done.

-- Math

The DEO · Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:52 am

Regardless of Boring's alignment, scum are avoiding the boring wagon.

The DEO · Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:55 am

In post 1637, The DEO wrote:Regardless of Boring's alignment, scum are avoiding the boring wagon.

This was Titus head.

Math head V/LA til Monday

-- Math

The DEO · Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:56 am

In post 1654, JaeReed wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68970

^ someone remind me (maybe after 24ish hours?) to review this? d7 scum, boring town. I think boring might have replaced into a scummy slot so I want to check how she handles it there as well. Didn't realize it ended -.- but I skimmed d7 there when the game was still ongoing after he flipped and thought the tone was diff to here. Just..can't look into it right now q.q new years stuff about to start.

Review that.

-- Math

But boring is the lynch today. Stop shopping like lynches are Black Friday sales for unicorns.

The DEO · Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:15 am

Less than two days left.

Oh and FYI I don't think Rach Marie was fake V/LA obv it is a matter of when Town she leaves something to go off of and instantaneously posts reads. Neither happened here.

Boring is the lynch for today.

-- Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:04 pm

It isn't that Rach Marie had little time. V/LA is never fake. It was the time RM did have was spent ranting about being voted for what little time they did have instead of reads. In Wake's game they were busy and hadn't met everyone but still dropped reads. RM also didn't do anything for reads in the hood. I would have been fine with even the weakest bit of game solving but nothing

-- Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:07 pm

Take a look at from when they announced VLA until December 15th.

They had the wherewithal to realize that the game was in Twilight and then spam multiple days about how busy they are with no reads at all. If you have that much time to rant you have that much time to post reads.

-- Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:01 pm

JaeReed, let's get practical here. There's 18 hours left. Near unamnity is required to lynch scum today due to the missing votes. The worst that happens is we remove lynchbait and you can tell us how great you are tomorrow.

No lynching jyst has everyone spite you.

~Titus

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:07 pm

Math and I will talk during night.

If this is scum, we push Lycan.

If town, we back off and help people talk through things.

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:29 pm

Oh regardless of flip I want Lycan. I have defaulted to Titus twice. Once when she said ShadowStep was conf scum and I doubted that. Then she said RachMarie of my two top scumreads because of the loved claim. However Lycanfire either knows my goddamn meta. Its posts have me feeling so damn creeped out right now. I don't see how talking would help when clearly it knows about my play. If anything I'd just go because Titus says so so there isn't hydra dissonance plugging up the thread. I will not be told that it's okay to ignore someone blatantly using my meta or as town randomly stalking a player not in the game. So I will be scumreading Lycanfire til the end of the game. It is right on that.

~~ Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:35 pm

FYI If we die tonight my reads are (RachMarie/Boring)/LycanFire/JaeReed are the all scum. Unsure about the question mark slot in the first post.

If two kills overnight likely an SK and a scum team.
If one kill overnight likely either a scum team and a townie or that wildcard is scum.

If RachMarie flips town then Lycanfire is scum but probably with KlingonCelt and maybe JaeReed I really don't like that slot.

~~Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:46 pm

The entire point of mafia is learning how to read people. So no I won't give up on trying. Saying to someone not to read you in a game of mafia is very antitown. I may be wrong on you but I learn each time I am wrong. It's how I developed tells with DGB and possibly another player. I'm not perfect by any means but I will always try to read you.

And I don't let other people dictate my reads. My reads are my own and people can point out errors in logic but I have never believed in wearing wool clothing and going "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

~~ Math

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 1774, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1771, The DEO wrote:...I have never believed in wearing wool clothing and going "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

~~ Math
note: MB is not a furry

Correction: I am not a person who believes I should dress like a sheep. However that does not include or exclude me being a furry however this is not a topic for those under 18 so I would suggest another point please.

The DEO · Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 1775, The DEO wrote:
In post 1774, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1771, The DEO wrote:...I have never believed in wearing wool clothing and going "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

~~ Math
note: MB is not a furry
Correction: I am not a person who believes I should dress like a sheep. However that does not include or exclude me being a furry however this is not a topic for those under 18 so I would suggest another point please.

Obviously this and prior post

~~ Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:38 pm

We did not shoot Lycan. Lycan was town. Math will be freaking out. I will be taking point.

VOTE: Drealmerz

Hi.

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:40 pm

We should talk. This ship with Postie gives unique coordinating advantages.

Assuming RM was scum, I am not as confident.

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:48 pm

In post 1827, Postie wrote:
In post 1821, JaeReed wrote:Unless they were afraid of his redacted thing? I'm just wondering if Lycan redirected scum onto him because it doesn't make sense as a nightkill.
But why redirect someone onto yourself?

In post 1826, The DEO wrote:We should talk. This ship with Postie gives unique coordinating advantages.
?

I don't see how those are related.

You have a hood with Gamma. I have a hood with Gamna.
You can tell me things that you do not wish the public to know.

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:49 pm

In post 1825, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1823, The DEO wrote:We did not shoot Lycan. Lycan was town. Math will be freaking out. I will be taking point.

VOTE: Drealmerz

Hi.
tbh I kinda think dreal is town still

Even with his vote waffles?

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:50 pm

We should talk about that in the hood because I am scumreading him.

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:22 pm

Why was it more difficult than it needed to be?

Why the reluctance after I said we're lynching RachMarie?

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:23 pm

In post 1834, Postie wrote:
In post 1829, The DEO wrote:You have a hood with Gamma. I have a hood with Gamna.
You can tell me things that you do not wish the public to know.
Oh, right, I forgot you had a hood with Gamma. This assumes I trust Gamma not to be scum though. Is there a reason I should be townreading him?

You really think both my hoodmates at start are scum?

The DEO · Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:24 pm

Just got done moving a friend. Unloading and loading a uhaul and 6 hours of driving.
Too fucking tired to read this. Titus will catch me up later. Just avoiding prod dodge for my head in case I can't post tomorrow.

~~Math

The DEO · Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:54 am

VOTE: zefiend

Avoiding RachMarie wagon, and accusing me of strongarming when someone said we needed a decision made. Yeah, don't think so.

Drealmerz hesitation and push on Lycan after I told him the choice is why I pressured him. Scum Drealmerz likely doesn't call out zefiend there.

The DEO · Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:56 am

In post 1848, drealmerz7 wrote:FUCKING STOP!!!!!!!!!!!

DO NOT CAST A VOTE WITHOUT A CASE

PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO PLAY MAFIA

creature, tell us why

zefiend, that is a weakass shitcase, and it's not that I don't have potential agreements with you, but you need to make your case and not just say buzzwords - I strongarm as town, I strongarm as scum - what specific examples from The DEO strike you as scum-strongarming, and why?

The DEO, I've already asked for elaboration on the vote on me and await it

You need to adapt to playstyles other than your own.

The DEO · Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:52 am

If you aren't building a scum meta case on Titus what are you doing then? Building a town meta case? Spamming?

~~Math

And I have no fucking clue how Lycan knew my meta as Town and no I don't want to talk about it because I am still pissed. If the first post didn't say not bastard I would have assumed actor.

The DEO · Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:53 am

In post 1934, Gamma Emerald wrote:iirc all the in-character posts that DEO posted were math

Maybe they were maybe they weren't. They were definitely fun to read.

~~Math

The DEO · Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:54 am

In post 1927, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1919, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1915, Gamma Emerald wrote:So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.
What?

DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.

A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>

Instead DEO took control of the game.
Please provide a couple examples of Titus doing this as scum in previous games.

Titus and I are very literal. Best not to joke with us. It has a 50/50 shot of being read right at best.

The DEO · Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:57 am

In post 1811, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1808, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1806, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also I have been "shipped together", whatever that means.
you mean like this?

Now kiss.

Like that exactly. <3

I expect more memes of that but with Gamma and Postie with the ship name Ghostie. Because the cuteness will be too much for the scums. Gotta go for now.

~~Math

The DEO · Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:42 pm

In post 1988, Klingoncelt wrote:Meta thing, when Titus is in a hydra she's more confident. When she's in a neighborhood she's more confident. She's willing to do a bit of gambiting.

She normally would have started building a Townbloc on Day1, but here we are in Day3 and she hasn't broached the subject yet.

No attempt whatsoever to join forces with anyone. No gambits

I don't like it. Not one bit.

VOTE: The DEO

Oh I have a townblock. You are not in it Grandma.

~Titus

The DEO · Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:44 pm

Zefiend, why did you avoid voting RachMarie?

The DEO · Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:57 pm

In post 1994, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1992, The DEO wrote:Zefiend, why did you avoid voting RachMarie?
Can you avoid asking dishonest questions? I was voting RM when I felt she was the optimal lynch.

I did not vote boring because I felt lycanfire was a better choice. The defense against Math, the claim, the reads -- nothing compelled me to move my vote. I should have known better since apparently Math's case was bullshit. But that is a whole other topic I still need to reevaluate in my scumread on your slot.

Math's scumread was moonlogic, not bullshit. Nice deflection.

You were voting RachMarie when no one would lynch her but when the wagon took off, you did not. Suggests distancing.

Your OMGUS and hypersensitivity to being FoSed also suggest scum.

What alignment do you think RachMarie was? Who do you think was scum on her wagon?

The DEO · Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:01 pm

....Brain hurts.

Fucks given hard to find.

Will post something useful later.

Until then I (Math head) prod dodge. Titus will post useful things.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:48 pm

Still creeped out by Lycanfire

~~Math

Don't trust JaeReed but at this point I am fucking useless apparently except maybe my RM meta tell if that is true.

Will just let Titus play til I get some idea back but the creepiness of this game makes it hard to get invested. That someone Town would read all of my meta and use pants is blah.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:52 pm

Man if only I had a fruit or vegetable to power me up.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:53 pm

I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:55 pm

Okay

I will try again later :/

At least someone here seems to understand. You can has townread Postie.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:01 pm

JaeReed, why aren't you paranoid of us?

What do you think of Zefiend?

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:09 pm

In post 2093, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2086, The DEO wrote:Man if only I had a fruit or vegetable to power me up.

~~Math
there is only fruit

A banana a day keeps the doctor away...No wait that is an apple.

How good is fruit?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:56 pm

@Postie My sarcasm detector is busted but my hugs aren't. Welcome to our moon logic <3

@JaeReed Looks like you have machine gun instead of a sniper rifle. Focus in top scumread.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:57 pm

In post 2109, Postie wrote:Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.

Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:58 pm

/me hugs Postie

Ghostie needs to make up.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:59 pm

The hood at the start of the game was The DEO, Rach Marie, and Gamma.

It is now DEO and Gamma.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:00 pm

Postie top town and scumread. Go.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:02 pm

In post 2115, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2103, Postie wrote:Thanks for that. Yeah actually 205 pings me really hard. I'd be fine with Vax I think.

My problem is that I've been interrogating Gamma in our PT and he always find really vague and unhelpful ways to answer all of my questions. I've been asking as many, specific, questions as possible, but I can't get a single thing out of him that isn't ridiculously generic. And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood, keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.
Then don't tell him anything useful. I don't think Titus is likely to derp that hard.
We also don't know boring's alignment, and I can't see a pro-town reason for her flip to be hidden and no one to have outed themselves as the culprit yet. This means it was either scum or her own role. The way she was talking to me indicates that she actually thought she was going to flip. I think it's more than likely that boring was actually town, and scum janitored the flip in order to hide that fact so we'd mislynch Lycan. drealmerz fucked it on them by shooting him.

The way I'm seeing it:
Gamma may or may not be scum, but if he is, then it's most probable that his partner is Vaxkiller anyway. If he isn't then that was scum whiteknighting town.
I'd rather go for the one I have more confidence in flipping scum with either scenario.

Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:05 pm

And if they did why aren't Drealmerz your top scumread?

~~Math

(insert placeholder JaeReed vote til I talk with Titus head more.

Didn't ask specifics JaeReed was pretty uninvested I just asked for reads as a launching platform)

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:09 pm

I have been busy with real life, but see no groundbreaking revelations. Of course, I am waiting to eat bananas with Ghosts. The ghosts do not seem chatty though.

I should try mail.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:10 pm

Zefiend why aren't you concerned with JaeReed's claim that drealmerz shot Lycanfire?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:11 pm

In post 2123, Postie wrote:
In post 2112, The DEO wrote:
In post 2109, Postie wrote:Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.
Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math
No my point was that I was offering to support a Vax lynch over Gamma. I don't care what you think of Vax but if you're going to potentially lose us the game by handing Gamma important info then I want Gamma dead immediately.

Ummm Gamma is our conduit to get information to you without announcing it to scum. He'll be dead soon enough in most scenarios.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:12 pm

I feel really good about Gamma, Postie, Vax, and Creature ftr.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:12 pm

Titus please check our PT. Got a question for you in there sis.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:17 pm

In post 2122, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2079, Postie wrote:Yeah but zefiend's rant the kind of thing I can see scum walking in and saying because the content of those posts actually does nothing to move the game forward and is just pointless drivel, but there's ranty emotions behind it, and it therefore comes across to me as just being designed to show off the emotional aspect of the post to give the illusion that zefiend is invested in the game.
I don't appreciate this post, at all.

I invested a LOT of time into casing DEO and it stirred up a great deal of discussion. Unfortunately, most of that discussion devolved into metagaming, which in case you didn't already know, I am not a fan of.

I still find the D1 push to be scum-motivated. The lack of much Titus in this thread recently doesn't help, either. Since that topic went by the wayside, I don't find there to be much redeeming conversation at the moment. I DO appreciate you trying though, to engage Kuroi.

The way drealmerz(I think) described the game as "floating in space" or whatever is how I feel too. I really,
really
hate leaving a Ranger-esque reads list, but if anyone wants to talk about them or do the same, it might help.

Postie, drealmersz7, Creature -- town
JaeReed -- townlean
Klingoncelt, Vaxkiller, Mhsmith0 -- neutral
Creeps20, KuroiXHF -- no clue
Gamma Emerald -- scumlean
The DEO -- scum

Time is not alignment indicative and neither is effort.

~~Math

It is what you do with the time you have.

Still waiting on that answer JaeReed.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:19 pm

Supergirl is awesome.

Go Sanvers!!

Maggie Sawyer for life <3

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 2130, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2120, The DEO wrote: Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?
this is why it is good to read the game

Will try again searched for vig came up no results

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:25 pm

In post 1979, drealmerz7 wrote:ok I killed lycan with my vig shot

I have never had a vig shot before and wasn't sure about outing it, especially since I was wrong with it

Never mind the search function here sucks.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:27 pm

Drealmerz highly improbably group scum. (Would require him claiming the scum kill as a vig shot).

That suggests scum hit a naturally protected target, which is also less likely.

Drealmerz, the number of deaths matters more than the manner.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:28 pm

In post 2146, JaeReed wrote:Now watch both heads of DEO and smith tell me I suck and to leave it up to the experts

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:32 pm

I smell fish and I am not at a farmer's market.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:34 pm

Yes I agree. It was when I thought you had slipped and was trying to make you feel cornered.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:58 pm

So assume Lycanfire is a vig kill by Drealmerz.

Where is the scum kill then?

Whoever was shot was probably town unless there is an SK or a doctor healed the NK target. Given the wifom and sheer miracle I am doubting the second.

So for Lycanfire to be a vig kill that means scum either shot Lycanfire, shot someone BP or didn't shoot.

Odd

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:00 pm

On Day 2, RachMarie Boring passed into Valinor.
On Night 2, LycanFire was killed. He was Tito, representing the nation of Yugoslavia, Town Delayed Death 1-Shot Informing Redirector.

Did anyone claim redirected?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:01 pm

@mod does informing mean "loud"?

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:18 pm

In post 2161, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2157, The DEO wrote:
@mod does informing mean "loud"?
Sort of. The mechanic is the same as YOUR role in my previous upick and the mechanics were revealed with his flip.

I wasn't in the previous upick. I know I can ask Titus but that isn't helpful for those in the thread.
~~Math

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:22 pm

FYI We were not redirected.

~~Math

If anyone was redirected now is the time to speak up or forever hold your peace.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:26 pm

So you mean you are an alt of Titus and Me?

~~Math

Wasn't sure if redirect would be announced in thread.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:27 pm

That is clearly a joke RC.

~~Math

Going to go shoulder pain.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:05 pm

Postie, were you redirected?

@mhsmith, If Lycan did not use his redirect, then we force scum from making up he did later. The removal of scum narrative without outing PRs is good.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:20 pm

Then everyone can confirm not redirected and then if we get to a point of mas claim in a long future like day 10000 then no one can claim redirected on n2.

The DEO · Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:20 pm

Since there is an open redirector anyone who was redirected should claim.

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:24 am

In post 2186, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2088, The DEO wrote:I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

~~Math
What a load of wank. Everyone listened to you.

You were early on KTS's wagon, you led the lynch on Boring/(RachMarie), and you wanted LycanFirelynched - now he's dead and he flipped Town. KTS flipped Town. Boring didn't flip.

You're 0 - 2 - 1 so far, and you're whining about not being listened to?

People, the DEO hydra contains Scum. Please lynch them.

Again. I was talking about my general meta. I was referring to Lycan somehow using my meta despite never having played with him. I wasn't referring to this game. I am not someone "likable".

Oh and if you want to be picky Titus is 0- 2-1 I am 0-1-1. If someone used your real name or called you Grandma without having played with you then you'd be calling for his head too.
~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:28 am

In post 2183, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2086, The DEO wrote:Man if only I had a fruit or vegetable to power me up.

~~Math

Not sure why you are facepalming here.

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:32 am

In post 2189, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2103, Postie wrote:
And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me
because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood,
keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.
Boring never flipped.

There's no
confirmation
of any Scum in that hood.

Confirmation no.
Likelihood yes. Especially since I can't find where RM/boring claimed.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:33 am

In post 2190, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2112, The DEO wrote: Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math
Titus is well-known for not busing...

Cherry pick much? I am known for driving greyhound into the dirt.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:35 am

In post 2179, mhsmith0 wrote:@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.

My gut says I don't like Drealmerz mhsmith0 and JaeReed. Slight tinge of Klingon but that is mainly because they keep trying to forget that this is a hydra.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:36 am

Anyone who claims redirected N2 without claiming today will be met with skepticism

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:46 am

In post 2196, The DEO wrote:
Anyone who claims redirected N2 without claiming today will be met with skepticism

~~Math

In post 2197, Titus wrote:Rope, not just skepticism.

In post 2198, Titus wrote:
In post 2195, The DEO wrote:
In post 2179, mhsmith0 wrote:@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.
My gut says I don't like Drealmerz mhsmith0 and JaeReed. Slight tinge of Klingon but that is mainly because they keep trying to forget that this is a hydra.

~~Math
Watch the language. This isn't exactly a hydra. It's a hydra plus.

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:48 am

In post 2200, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2186, Klingoncelt wrote:People, the DEO hydra contains Scum. Please lynch them.
He is "part"-scum

Are you suggesting Pi is scum but I am town?

No. We are masons to each other.

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:48 am

In post 2203, Creature wrote:Okay, who's scum?

Zefiend and Jae imo

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:34 am

Tinfoil JaeReed drealmerz mhsmith but letting Titus drive.

~~Math

FYI anyone not claiming redirected after seeing multiple posts is assumed not to have been:

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:35 am

The zefiend read is gut for me and more Titus and after Lycanfire she should lead. I just don't know who he would be with if he is scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:56 am

Close but not quite.

I can't explain it til everyone claims if they were redirected or not.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:16 pm

Correct.

As scum I have limits. However that is my word for it.

~~Math

Drealmerz you claim not redirected right?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:27 am

Hi FA.

Before you get too far note that DEO is a hydra of me and Titus.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:29 am

In post 2257, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 636, The DEO wrote:
In post 358, RachMarie wrote:Is everyone role claiming on Day flipping one? Flavor claiming is one thing since pretty sure the mod was careful about making sure flavor did not break the game, but our roles?

We are giving too much info to the scum here and not enough to town peeps.
By the way. The voice in my head will not shut up about this post. It keeps repeating "Gistou,Gistou,Gistou" and I can't figure out why. Will look at that game later.
it doesn't feel like that game at all >.>

its redicolous that you read the same thing and concluded exactly opposite and yeah she was townish faction there obv

This was a reference to how as scum I told people not to claim so damn much. Made it hard to kill people. If Rach Marie was Town this would have evoked something.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:34 am

Sanvers is sooooooooo cute <3

I hope everyone gets a chance to watch them....with the boots and the hair and the <3

Tinfoil hat theory two Rach Marie Creature/FA and Drealmerz slots.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:36 am

The zefiend slot I don't like and Titus doesn't like but I don't see them Scum with anyone.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:37 am

Anyone who was redirected overnight needs to claim now.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:38 am

In post 2255, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 550, Vedith wrote:
In post 545, Shadow_step wrote:He's hated so benefit of doubt for now.
All I've seen him doing is getting lynched as town day 1 in a lot of games.
I'm okay with lynching him tomorrow over Dreal. This is not going to be Dreal's town play, that's for sure.
He's normally more structured, even more so when called scum, here he is just shouting "you're scum" like a kid.
Scum middle ground state, double shade casting, false delimma , faking meta reasons apeasing to make a case stronger

dreal is prob town though

I would argue not SK. Drealmerz is either town or scum.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:42 am

Ugh. We so need to talk about that post game. I hate having meta tells of being Town or scum.

~~Math (this and prior post)

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:18 am

In post 2276, Creature wrote:I striked Clemency because his/her early game, also Jae seems town.

No Jae doesn't.

How are you posting after being replaced???
This is a non bastard setup.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:21 am

Derp I facepalmed it was Creeps not Creatuee.

My handwriting sucks carry on.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:22 am

Tinfoil theory 2 revised
Rm+Drealmerz+FA or Creature since not same slot.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:26 am

It is more of a feeling I get with how your slot interacted with RM same with Creature.
More of a gut feeling.

I don't want to explain my tinfoil til people claim redirected or not.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:35 am

Things like that ping me.

RM was extra defensive and slow to post reads even in the hood. As Town she hops in. The Wake game she immediately threw out reads. This game she excused not having reads because not everyone had posted.

This was clearly different and in town VLA games she at least gives something to work from. I would have accepted literally any effort from the slot. In Bebop she was also a lurker and this game RM went on a rant.

The question is having read only part of the game how do you feel justified to say this is different than cowboy bebop.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:38 am

Going back to bed but yeah. Fishiness abound.

~~Math

Creature sorry I misread my own notes.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:39 am

In post 2292, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1144, Postie wrote:Wait hold on. We have 10 or 11 town alive, two of which are voteless, so if scum decide not to bus we potentially need literally every single townie with a vote to vote RachMarie to make the lynch happen.
Dear god.
unless if one of you two are scum

pedit : what are you talking about math? the early stuff I saw from her was like her apeasy scum in bebop (I modded that shit) I was watching her game development and I felt its like that but then in that she was way more active and never dropped the cases against her. I didn't realize she was vla when you were wagoning her and I was surprised she didn't comment

was she in a sort of hood? with who?

Just read. It is better that way.

~~Math

Sleeping now.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:45 am

RM outs the hood later. Never accused you of fishing. Hood was already out when I made that post to you.

Just keep reading. I am going to bed. Good night.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:46 am

Fishiness abound is when something stinks. I don't like it.

I do not believe you were in the act of role fishing.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:13 am

The flip says he treestumps at night. He is choosing not to do anything.

In thread he said he was activating an ability.

Most likely since Drealmerz was his top scumread he probably redirected Drealmerz to himself and Drealmerz is a one shot scum aligned vig and so since he was already killing they had Drealmerz do both kills so Drealmerz killed Lycanfire twice.

That is my tinfoil theory.

A doctor precisely hitting the right target with this many players is very difficult. Even more so if someone happened to be bulletproof.

So based on that and mhsmith0 suggesting Lycanfire that redirection was unlikely and JaeReed pushing Drealmerz shot Lycanfire so obvious Town IMHO is incorrect.

I do not believe as Town Lycanfire would say he is using an ability then not do anything.

So therefore either Drealmerz was redirected and thus the eliminated kill or scum was since it hasn't been claimed yet.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:14 am

^^This is obviously Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:23 am

Country (Delayed Death): If Tito is killed at night, the country will stay together for the following day phase before collapsing. If lynched you will get one chance to make a night action if you haven't already made one.

That to me says one of two things:

1) He is treestumped and choosing not to do anything and this doesn't show up in VCs
Or
2) Scum secretly lynched him and he activated his ability to redirect Drealmerz.

Either way tinfoil applies.

@mod: Can you answer if Lycanfire died due to an NK and is a treestump or if he died yesterday?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:26 am

Delayed death having its own instructions most likely means

Drealmerz shot Lycanfire at night >> Country stays together for the next day phase << That is what needs explaining.

~~Math this and prior post

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:28 am

@mod what does country stay together for the next day phase mean?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:30 am

I think that means treestump FA. But let's wait on RC to clarify.

The reason it is called delayed death is because of the combo if he is lynched.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:32 am

In post 2352, Frozen Angel wrote:If he said he was going to use redirection and no one claims that something vanalized him last night

But that makes this question

why he didn't flip as turned vanilla?

pedit : delayed death means if you die in phase X you will die after phase X+1 finishes. Thats obvious and its explained in role pm. There is no other "it's own instruction" ...

Delayed Death is literally different in KTS's and Lycanfire's role PMs. Not sure where you are getting Lycanfire's has to be that.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:36 am

In post 1581, Lycanfire wrote:
@RC activate my day ability

Right after he says he won't be taken alive he says update his day ability.

If Lycanfire was actually dayvigged not nightvigged and then Drealmerz was redirected to himself again post death that also explains it.

@Drealmerz -- Are you a day or night vig?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:40 am

It says if Lycanfire died during the day he could activate his night power the next night.

So if Drealmerz shot him during the day and then got redirected at night to kill him again...He would kill a dead body.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:42 am

Which is why it is important to establish if this is a day or night vig from Drealmerz. I really do not like the Drealmerz slot and my suggestion that he may have killed someone and therefore be scum is met with the same apatheticness in ttyl and at the end of that game he came up with a claim that was believable. So I want him to say if he day or night vigged Lycanfire.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:45 am

I want him to provide the fact of if it is a day or night vig before RC comes beck with the answers.

And furthermore if his vig can power through death effects.

I want Drealmerz to claim just the parts he already said he used first and then try to figure out what happened.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:46 am

Pedit: I am asking because it doesn't add up unless Lycanfire is a treestump or you killed him twice.

Once to trigger death then again to stop the next day forming stuff that is not explained.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:47 am

The fact you just claimed it and didn't freak out about delayed death also worries me.

Why weren't you investigating how the guy died?

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:49 am

In post 2373, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2370, The DEO wrote:Pedit: I am asking because it doesn't add up unless Lycanfire is a treestump or you killed him twice.

Once to trigger death then again to stop the next day forming stuff that is not explained.
again

Lycan had no need to be killed TWICE

he just had a DELAYED death

Need no. Do I think it happened yes via Lycanfire's redirect.

Once to kill him and trigger the delayed death.
The second kill then stops the delayed death portion and outright kills him giving the flip.

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:50 am

(All of this is Math)

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:54 am

In post 2379, Frozen Angel wrote:Even if X was not doing an action and he was trying to redirect X, X would have been informed about it?

That is why I asked about loud and got refer to the first post.

I believe if they perform 0 actions they would however it could go either way.

If a person did 0 actions and was redirected would they get "informed"?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:56 am

The problem isn't that he is dead. It is that he is superdead. And you don't care to hunt why. Or who scum would have killed or anything like that. You may consider my theory insane and I myself called it tinfoil but you aren't even trying.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:58 am

In post 2383, Frozen Angel wrote:the point is you can't be the person who killed him last night

calm yourself. Your not accused of anything

Speak for yourself. I think Drealmerz is scum who got redirected to kill Lycan twice.

If Lycanfire is dayvigged would his delayed death of being able to use his night ability still trigger?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:59 am

In post 2386, drealmerz7 wrote:just take me through it

why can't I be who killed him?

hmmm...I actually never got any PM from RC or anything about the kill...but it was seeming people weren't necessarily getting PMs about things and I didn't think a second time about it

I am saying you killed him. I am saying you double food killed him.
This can be misleading if you have a scum PT. If you didn't get a PM from RC why wasn't your first thought to ask about feedback?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:01 am

Double good*

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:03 am

In post 2389, Frozen Angel wrote:no a killer won't be notified of the kill normally

He had a dealyed Death. if a vig shot last night was the reason that killed him he should have been alive today

pedit : I didn't read this completly and I'm not a part of your tunnel visions I will get this done the right way

It isn't tunnel vision to ask questions of the mod and wonder why Drealmerz isn't hunting why his vig did what it did. Asking questions is the right way. It is not tunnelvision yet as I haven't stopped considering other possibilities. I just want an explanation.

Titus wants zefiend and it is her lead but it doesn't mean I don't hunt.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:07 am

The whole not a treestump is not something I buy without moderator explanation because it sure sounds like a treestump post flip. I don't know the mechanics of the delayed death but a double death to me seems if someone is still alive on the first shot hit again they die makes sense.

Either way I want an answer.

~~Math

@mod: If Lycanfire was killed at night and then killed at night again would that flip him instantly and then country doesn't reform?

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:09 am

This is the first time I have posted more than 30 minutes in a week I think.

I am letting people play. All I want are my questions answered.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69031

Frozen Angel there is a Drealmerz scum game.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:10 am

I trust RC too. I don't like the implication.

It looks like treestump+ and it got called delayed death.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:13 am

In post 2405, Vaxkiller wrote:DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?

I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.

To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:16 am

In post 2406, Frozen Angel wrote:I want to see if he knew mods won't inform of failures regularly or not atm. I don't care about his scum meta (though Thats helpful actually I might read that later when I have time and I feel better)

pedit : Delayed death is delayed death and its defined in that role pm as well

treestump is treestump and its Treestump! >.>

Repeating the same thing 10 times doesn't help FA. That flip to me reads treestump just without the word and is called delayed death because of the If lynched part.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:17 am

The mod will clear it up anyway. Whether Lycanfire is or is not a treestump should be a mod answerable question along with when he died.
Arguing this is not beneficial.

~~Math

The DEO · Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:18 am

In post 2412, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 2408, The DEO wrote:I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.

To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.
The most plausible explanation? If dreal is lying he has to be scum, if hes scum why would they waste a vig shot and NK on lycan, who was lynch bait anyway?

Which makes me think Drealmerz didn't have a choice and was redirected. I doubt Lycanfire would not use his redirection ability.

~~Math