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Post Post #1472 (isolation #0) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:10 am

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hello everyone, good to be here. will catch up today.
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:24 am

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"it's me, Chara" is a direct quote from the game, and i prefer to be called Chara or Not Chara rather than an acronym like NC. does that answer? ;>

what can you tell me about the game? something to keep in mind while i reread?
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #2) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:36 am

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if it's as obvious a problem as it looks, then i see it too.

and thank you for the warm welcome! i've actually been following this game for a bit, so i have a relative grasp on the mechanics. i am a noble, and DiamondSentinel is town, though wrong about the utility of claiming flavour. it's a bad idea. if that's been established since i last read, my apologies.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:46 am

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i'll attempt to give a summary of important reads once i catch up/as i do.
i'll chime in, sure, but i'd like to see Rational's answer first.

yes, i'm voteless. i can confirm that if you'd like.

as for counting as a living player... according to Frozen, i don't. for the purposes of the votecount. i think i can be lynched, but i can't confirm. you could try voting me?

it's a passive ability, but claiming it further would just reveal my flavour. i can regain my vote somehow according to my role PM, but it would likely require the use of a Geass power on me.

pedit: what prompted that unvote?
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #4) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:18 am

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Cerb, let's put aside the obvious joke about random's read Leon for the moment. there's no inconsistency there.

how did you come to the conclusion random needs to die? just the wagon disappating (as they tend to do when they're built on nothing substantial), and that he called for you and klingon? the second is certainly a point, but one that could come from scum random.

i suppose what i'm asking is: what tipped the scales from 'i'm scumreading random' to 'he just needs to die at some point'. you say it matter of factly, but where does that conclusion come from?
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Post Post #1501 (isolation #5) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:20 am

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should say: could come from town random for the same reason you say it could be scum.
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:22 am

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In post 1499, Painbringer wrote:UNVOTE:

Bad titus, ur not lynching Not Chara.
Not Chara is great.
pfft. thank you, but she's voting me to check if i can be voted.

pedit: i'm on skype quite a lot. let's talk more then.
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Post Post #1507 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:31 am

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Cerb: i'm afraid i can't follow your logic here. well, i can, but your conclusion is the same as someone with a null read concluding that null read must be removed, because they were wagoned at one point. it's a bit ridiculous. from what i can gather, the reason random was wagoned was because of this 'contradiction', and anyone pushing it as such is simply wrong. so his mislynch is as 'inveitable' as any other mislynch based on bad logic.

i just don't see the town motivation in concluding that random needs death, as opposed to simply letting the matter rest and coming back to it as the game develops. you don't have compelling reasons to call him either alignment, and saying he'd just be mislynched if town is remarkably premature in my opinion.
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:41 am

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i suppose the additional explanation about random helps.

i don't know how to explain that it's a clear joke, and i don't fault the players who voted him before that was made apparent. sometimes one's first readthrough of a situation is incorrect. sometimes players have a different humour, or have difficult with tone over text? it's not odd, but considering the alternative is that random is a terrible, terrible scum player who enjoys contradicting himself in the span of 15 minutes to scumread someone he was just townreading, i'd say that the only conclusion is it was a joke.

but i'm satisfied with how you came to your conclusions about random, though i still don't agree.

aside: are you asking me to give you something better to call
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Post Post #1604 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:21 pm

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In post 1518, DarkInnocence wrote:There's a dif between not playing and just trying to under the mech of this game that doesn't seem that important
I was all set until this cupid shit showed uyp for WHAT REASON??????

Can I be loyal to not chara I wanna be loyal to not chara they seem to make sense
CHARA WOULD THAT BE OKAY
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sure, why not? anyone who wants to pledge loyalty, pledge loyalty.

what did you like about my posting?
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:31 pm

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am i the only one who hated culted's interaction with Maria?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:44 pm

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In post 1608, culted wrote:And was it both sides or just mine or what do you exactly mean by interaction?

Was it the speed of the replies? Was it how we responded?

Explicit detail if you don't mind.
your posting is giving off the vibes of confident scum with a mislynch target they can talk circles around. Maria's 'fixation' on you is not contrived, she's explained it.

next item on my list is attempting to figure out if you're the type of player who would always ping me, or just scum.
why did you give me examples when you've asked for detail?
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 1611, culted wrote:
In post 1610, Not Chara wrote:your posting is giving off the vibes of confident scum with a mislynch target they can talk circles around. Maria's 'fixation' on you is not contrived, she's explained it.
How could voting someone because nobody is scumreading them not be a contrived read?

And the most they've explained is that I'm not a scumread. That doesn't make it better.
your second question explains the first. it can't be a contrived read if you weren't a scumread. it was done for reactions, as she said. sure, it doesn't make it better, but i question your calling it a fixation. again, it feels as if you're ignoring the town reasons for doing it, and going for mechanical scumtells. 'this looks bad, therefore this player is scum' is entry-level play.
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In post 1610, Not Chara wrote:why did you give me examples when you've asked for detail?
I don't understand this question.

I want to know what about the 'interaction' made you hate it. It takes two to tango -- you only dislike one dancer -- you hate the dance.
Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Who do you think is scum?
you gave quesses at to why i might've disliked your interaction, i wanted to know why you were giving guesses instead of just asking for my answer.

secondly, yes my wording makes sense, don't get semantic by bringing in unnecessary metaphors. i disliked
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steps with Maria, her dance was fine. i didn't like your posting directed toward Maria and towards the thread during your conversation with Maria. better?

last question: i'm not caught up. so besides you, i'm not looking at anyone yet.
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:31 am

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'this is fake' is a pretty strong statement to make when you still think a player can't be scum due to a different read, Gamma.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:04 pm

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In post 1719, DiamondSentinel wrote:Also, I'm at a logical impasse. I really want to lynch Vecan for information, but I also have him as a fairly strong townread here. My third highest townread.

Very weird.
take that as a sign that lynching for information isn't useful. if its a townread, don't lynch.
what info are you looking for?

and why do you think i'm 3p? i'm a treestump without outside help.
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #15) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:29 am

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i don't think Diamond is scum. i haven't seen any cause to remove my townread there.
Painbringer is giving me some pause.

pedit: how is Kain incompetent? his posting style is.. like that, but he's been playing seriously besides from what i've read.
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:34 am

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In post 1806, Painbringer wrote:Kain Tepes, troll is troll. :facepalm:
is this fire or Titus?
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Post Post #1814 (isolation #17) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:37 am

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ok, thank you.
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Post Post #1816 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:46 am

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i'm not a fan of Gamma's posting. i thought they could be town for that strange voting-Klingon contradiction, but the way they responded to talks and accusations regarding it was scummy.

Diamond is more of gut read. i don't see a need for scum to start theorizing about 3p while making other content (it never looks that good, and is null behaviour at best). plus, i'm a non-threatening 3p if that, so there's little reason for scum to be concerned about me

besides that i was just townreading him earlier due to the way he's explained his thoughts and been consistent on how he came to them.

thanks for the questions.
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #19) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:35 pm

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no end of internet problems.
v/la
for a couple of days.

Drone can be scum. there's a third option after shitposting and not posting. that would be scumhunting. you've asked Kain to speak up (he's been providing content) but right now you have nothing?
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Post Post #1884 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:35 pm

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should say
v/la for two days
. posted that absent-mindedly.
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 am

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who cares about VCA? you have a vote ley, use it. if you like the CD wagon and think Drone is town, though i can't imagine why, push it.
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 am

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should say key, not ley.
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:02 am

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In post 1905, Drone wrote:You still have to show that "content" from Kain Tepes.
i don't care enough. and it doesn't matter when you're the topic of conversation. did all these ISO reads come about because i called you on it, or did you just feel like it?
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:07 am

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sounds like you
do
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:10 am

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are you planning on actually analyzing anything in your ISO look? or just summarizing events?

pedit: if you could snip the posturing out of your posts and get to the meat of them, that would be ideal. but then i wonder if there would be any content left at all?
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:12 am

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In post 1913, Drone wrote:You know?
You could say you're just lazy or just made shit up, since Kain is nothing more but a mess for the eye.
Now I've heard somewhere here that he gains magical scumhunting skills as the game progresses.
Pretty much the reason why I'm not voting him.
i think saying i don't care enough is the same as saying i'm lazy.
you're severely over-exaggerating how difficult it is to read Kain's posting. because it isn't.
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #27) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:19 am

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In post 1917, Drone wrote:
In post 1914, Not Chara wrote:are you planning on actually analyzing anything in your ISO look? or just summarizing events?

pedit: if you could snip the posturing out of your posts and get to the meat of them, that would be ideal. but then i wonder if there would be any content left at all?
Could pretty much say the same about you.
Don't really see how I should be listening to the advices of a person who "doesn't care enough".
i think that's the second time you've defended yourself by saying another player is doing the same thing. shall we make it a round 3? ;>

i'd think you wouldn't be listening to me regardless of how much i care, considering you'd like to pretend i don't matter to you because i happen to be voteless.

there's a conspicuous disconnect between the thought that i don't matter, and that you'd like to continue our conversation. and i don't think it's because you're being nice. i think you just can't stand to let negative comments about you lie.
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:21 am

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In post 1918, Drone wrote:
In post 1916, Not Chara wrote:
In post 1913, Drone wrote:You know?
You could say you're just lazy or just made shit up, since Kain is nothing more but a mess for the eye.
Now I've heard somewhere here that he gains magical scumhunting skills as the game progresses.
Pretty much the reason why I'm not voting him.
i think saying i don't care enough is the same as saying i'm lazy.
you're severely over-exaggerating how difficult it is to read Kain's posting. because it isn't.
It's subjective.
I openly say I can't stand his posting.
Kain's posting is either so bad that i must be lying about him providing content, or i don't care about the game.
i say this isn't true.
now it's a 'subjective' opinion. alright. am i still lying?
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:39 am

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which friend is Diamond defending?

and i'm not even sure how to respond to the second thing. you managed to miss the whole point of the conversation. that's the best point in your favour.

pedit: hahaha. how do you manage not to have a read on me? i don't even get the sense you're attempting to find one. instead you say you don't want to give your points if i don't give mine, which makes so little sense it's funny. again it's a towny, illogical thing to do, but that isn't enough to invalidate my other feelings on your alignment.
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:41 am

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but i have to go, so let's cut this short. i'm on my phone, i don't want to quote KainTepes to prove he's been providing content when that's a side note on this conversation, and i'm not even sure on Kain's alignment myself.
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Post Post #1926 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:42 am

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and come to think of it, your fixation on that point and the posting of others in general is likely just an attempt to get the focus off your own lack of scumhunting.
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:58 pm

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In post 1954, Vecna wrote:This wagon feels bad man. Rb is lurking. Have you ever seeb rb lurking? Hes trying to dodge pressure.

Scum: keyrb, DS, some lurmer scumlords, maybe titus for luls SvS shit.
i've been getting the same thought, unfortunately. Drone's words don't make sense as scum.

and the vote posts on him have been rather token, looking back. one-liner explanations.

has more to do with Drone than rb. key's a fine vote.
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:25 pm

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In post 1978, keyXrb wrote:
In post 1966, Vecna wrote:^ scum partners
Vecna can you explain why you've somehow gone from astute and thoughtful town player as town to being a snarky little shit with a reason that doesn't involve you rolling scum in this game?

because i wanna believe you're town but you're making it very hard
last line is scum.

imaginary vote on key. i'd say both Drone and Diamond are town. no meaningful read on CD as of yet, i'll get on that.
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Post Post #2071 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:54 am

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are you a noble, Cerb? i'll pledge to you.
and you can pledge to me too. mutual benefit. ;>
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:55 am

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Titus, what do you have to say to Cerb's response to your poking?
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #36) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:56 am

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In post 2071, Not Chara wrote:are you a noble, Cerb? i'll pledge to you.
and you can pledge to me too. mutual benefit. ;>
i keep forgetting you won't make a decision like that without Drixx's input. so the question would be to both of you.
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Post Post #2074 (isolation #37) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:59 am

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Diamond: you were of the opinion Drone was digging his own grave when speaking with me. i had the same opinion until i realized that his closing remarks were more likely stubborn, annoyed town, than dumb scum. what do you think?
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:12 am

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rules only state nobles can be pledged to. nobles can also make pledges. though if i misread something, let me know.
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:22 am

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i suppose because people have been asking publicly. if it can be figured out by thorough reading, who has pledged to who, secret pledges don't really help in hiding info from scum.

is that a yes or no on whether you'd consider pledging loyalty to me? i'd recommend it.
and hold on a minute. i'm going to check who has exchanged hats. want to know if who's left, if at all.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:32 am

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In post 1928, DiamondSentinel wrote:Unless Drone is really flaily as scum, unfortunately, I really doubt that this wagon is going to flip scum. Call it a hunch. However, my vote stays because this is to scummy to ignore. Either way, you should probably change your play, Drone. You're either flailing as scum or you are way too scummy town.
i forgot that Diamond had already said this about Drone, so my question is pointless.

i still think Diamond is town, but i have to oppose this behaviour wholeheartedly. don't policy vote someone you think is town.
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:37 am

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In post 2080, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm not pledging to anyone without actually reading the game and deciding they're town.

-Cerb
and this response illustrates nicely why i didn't like Painbringer's offer to cross-pledge with you, considering how Titus feels about your slot.
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 am

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In post 2082, Painbringer wrote:NC, you think I am town?
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how do you feel about me?
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #43) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:01 am

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why are you willing to pledge loyalty to Rational, in that case? and if you weren't, why bring it up?
and i don't disagree with the concept but... if Rational is town, surely they'll play more when they have time and more information to work with. i don't think pressing them on the matter will change things much, except possibly trick you into thinking they're only putting in effort because you're on them for it, not because they're town. i'm not saying you'd think like this, it just came into my mind as a potential problem. bottom line, Rational doesn't strike me as the type of fruit you need to crack open for alignment-indicative information to come out.

how about loyalty to me instead? you don't need to answer that question with a post. Rational's comment made me realize there's something to be said for secret loyalties. so if you're townreading me, it's in your best interests to pledge, is all i'll say.
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:02 am

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Steal Hat: Drone
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #45) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:37 am

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that reminds me i had this to post. it's just a collection.
In post 1072, Frozen Angel wrote:Pink Hats! : davesaz, Reasonably Rational, Aristophanes, Not Chara, DiamondSentinel, keyXrb, DarkInnocence, Painbringer, Klingoncelt, KainTepes, Vecna, randomidget

Blue Hats! : BTD6_maker, malpascp, Crystalline Dagger, McMenno, Leonshade, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone, culted
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #46) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:59 am

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In post 2091, Vecna wrote:NC, can you do like a pinky swear thing that youre town this game? I dont have the scum feelings from you that your hydra was obviously showing in death note so we might make some magic happen here.
i can do you one better than a pinky swear, provided you pledge your undying loyalty. ;>

though you could also just look at Watch Dogs, where i was scum without the added changes to my play that came from being in a hydra with Almost50.
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #47) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:18 am

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In post 2094, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh, hey, I just had a thought.

If there's anybody who can IC or otherwise confirm themselves as town to people they pledge to/whoever pledges to them, pledge to me and I'll pledge back and we can be secret friends!

Or not. Maybe that's a bad idea. I mean, I know it'll be good for me cuz I'll have someone I'll know is town to trust without exposing them to the rest of the people in the game who could be scum. Might be a bad idea overall? *shrug*

Think about it, if any roles exist that function this way. :D

-Cerb
this plan would likely be ruined by the fact that you've asked only players with weak roles to pledge to you. so if someone had an IC confirmation ability... well, you know your role, not me, but by what you've said earlier i don't think asking others to pledge with you in this manner would work?

also, i realized that pledges are only confirmed to go through at the end of the day, so one can't learn if they were pledged to until the day is out.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #48) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:19 am

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In post 2095, Vecna wrote:All this talk about peoples pledging resulting in cool effects has me quite jealous. This silly pandora box stuff has pretty much made my already meager powers near obsolete.
at least you have a vote. i'd give up my own meager powers for a spot on the votecount.
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #49) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:21 am

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In post 2077, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh right, I forgot about the whole randoms potentially scum when CD flips as scum thing.

NC, only pledge to me if your role is weak! Also....pledges can be done privately, right? Why are people doing it publicly?

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Post Post #2100 (isolation #50) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:25 am

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In post 2099, Vecna wrote:I can act as your voice. Who would you like me to vote? My vote is currently wasting away since noone is interested anymore in lynching rb.
that's unfortunate, because keyXrb is my best guess for scum right now, and where my vote would be. Crystalline Dagger is difficult for me to read, and i've tried. i won't cry if they end up being lynched, but it's not an idea i'm a fan of.

i'll get back to you on alternatives, but i believe Diamond is town.
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:08 pm

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so this is where i'm at currently.

scum: Painbringer, keyXrb, Leonshade [i hate this because they look so, so good as a team, so it can't be real], culted
town: Vecna, Rational, Diamond, KainTepes, Drone, Kyouko, davesaz, Klingon
eh: Crystalline Dagger, mal, BTD, Aristophanes, McMenno, DarkInnocence, random

i'd be happy to discuss any of these. and we can discuss null reads so i can actually get a read there. someone help me read Dagger, Gamma's posting is the type to just make me dislike it by its mere presence.
Diamond is this player i disagree with completely on
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Painbringer is one where i'm scumreading both heads, yet Firebringer in particular is not a player i'd consider myself good at reading.

i'm more confident in my townreads than scumreads, but that's par for the course. process of elimination is fun. unhappy with the amount of nulls, since there has to be scum in them.
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Post Post #2107 (isolation #52) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:45 pm

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Cerb, in response to you post about pledging: pledge to me. unfortunately, i can't pledge to you first.

Vecna: kyouko townread is based on his early-game spec posts. like thinking Leon had stolen Alpaca's vote. his posting in general has simply been looking town to me. i can point to as one i liked. you scumreading him?
davesaz is one of my weakest townreads. and looking at him again, i dislike how he calls Dagger out for bad logic, then votes them and says the reason is "pretty much all gut". so maybe null there, not a confident townread.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #53) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:46 pm

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Cerb: on second thought. maybe it doesn't matter if you pledge to me at all. so do what you like. if you end up townreading me, then by all means.
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #54) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:48 pm

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In post 2106, Painbringer wrote:You are right on culted and Leon.

Cd, ds, culted, random, Leon. Rr, TP/town. Rest town.
well i don't like the Dagger wagon, and i think Diamond is town. wagon Leon instead?
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:11 pm

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you're referring to the last line?

would you consider voting Leon instead of Drone. or really any player you actually think is scum.
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #56) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:52 pm

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In post 2150, Leonshade wrote:Why are you basing your wagon based on the scumreads of another one of your scumreads?
i scumread you independently, where did you get the sense of anything different.
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #57) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:55 pm

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In post 2155, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Just going to sheep key for now since I know he's town, though I'd also be down to lynch RR/DI simply on the basis that they have declared they won't be swapping hats with anyone. Going 1 for 1 with scum is a good trade and getting a PT to find out if your lover is scum is also very pro-town. Doesn't make sense to me that a townie would not want to swap hats with anyone at all, especially a noble that you TR and could pledge to.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
key is mod-confirmed town to you?

what exactly is alignment indicative about a difference of theory opinion, in Rational's case? obviously they don't agree about it being protown, and lying about how one feels about mafia theory as scum simply to avoid a PT that has just as much use for town as it does for scum... it doesn't make sense as a point to scumread them.
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Post Post #2159 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:01 pm

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no, i asked players to vote you because you're my best scumread after key, who was failing to be wagoned. since Painbringer is saying they're scumreading you too, i asked them to vote you. it's not rocket science.
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:06 pm

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oh, and Cerb: regarding what you've been talking about, pledge to me today. i can pinky swear you won't regret it.

pedit: alright. about Gamma's threat... do you find threats scummy? have you played with Gamma before? he's exactly the type to threaten/warn as town, and possibly scum too. and 48 hours is enough to move the wagon, i don't see why a player would fullclaim when they might not even be lynched. it doesn't make them more likely to be scum at all.
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Post Post #2164 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:12 pm

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that isn't true. and
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:14 pm

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there's the fact that town can't be sure if they'd partnered with scum, so there is no guarantee they'd force their scum lover to suicide.
there's also that scum will
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:42 am

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how about we don't hammer CD at all. if Painbringer wants to execute them with a forced suicide later, it solves the problem of a lack of flip.
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Post Post #2222 (isolation #63) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 2221, Reasonably Rational wrote:Meh, DS' resistance makes me want to lynch him. *shrug*

-Csrb
you can't believe the ability is real, but also not want to hammer CD. that's to be considered.
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Post Post #2308 (isolation #64) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:32 pm

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thanks for the gift, whoever you are.

Klingon: i believe that some nobles have abilities affecting those loyal to them, and some do not. and the same is with some players with abilities that work with players they're loyal to.

i still think Leon is scum. and the only reason i wouldn't advocate for a keyXrb lynch is because kyouko (who was surely town) had some reason to think they were town. but i don't think the reason was mod-confirmed.

Fire: i'd say don't give yourself a headache with flavour-spec, given these flips.
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Post Post #2324 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:27 am

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i don't see the point of flavour-speculating the kill. did Frozen confirm anywhere that kill flavour has anything to do with who actually performed the kill? it did in Cowboy Bepop, but i believe that was made explicit.
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Post Post #2325 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:31 am

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In post 2316, Leonshade wrote:Not Chara is almost certainly cleared of being V.V, Chara has a pink hat, and the Cupid Day took place between Alpaca going AWOL and Chara replacing in.
why would i be V.V in the first place? was that in your spec?
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not for lack of trying, but i haven't been able to get a good read on the slot. i'd lean town, for how they conducted themselves with the entire 'sacrificing obvtown kyouko for no good reason' fiasco. there are other slots i'm more interested in lynching. namely, you. ;>

if not you, then someone on the Diamond/Drone wagons yesterday. do you have any scumreads that were on one or both?
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Post Post #2327 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:35 am

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In post 2326, Frozen Angel wrote:
I can confirm (in this color cause I'm pure evil ; :] :D :evil: ) that flavor stories are not a reliable source for deducing stuff.

I will mess with them - in a way that will break your hearts after the game. Don't trust me - in anything o.o In ... this ... shit ... show! ... :lol: :shifty: :good: :good: :good:
heh. i'm taking this as confirmation that looking at the flavour of the kills is a fool's errand. even if it
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Post Post #2328 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:41 am

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with Rational being a strange kill, i wonder if they Bodyguarded someone with their non-Knightmare passive. i don't know if they were townreading anyone enough to do so.
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Post Post #2343 (isolation #69) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:56 am

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In post 2341, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2340, McMenno wrote:and why would cd agree to this
It would be scummy to disagree.

Surely you're not scum, CD?
and this is ridiculous, because CD knows they're being lynched after. scum or town, they're not going to agree to separate.

besides, separation can't happen until night.

pedit: yes, it doesn't hold water now.
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Post Post #2344 (isolation #70) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:57 am

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In post 2337, McMenno wrote:props to wherever the ds kill came from

VOTE: crystalline dagger

nothing has in fact changed and they are still scum
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i think keyXrb is spectacular collateral damage.
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #71) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:02 am

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In post 2331, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2325, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2316, Leonshade wrote:Not Chara is almost certainly cleared of being V.V, Chara has a pink hat, and the Cupid Day took place between Alpaca going AWOL and Chara replacing in.
why would i be V.V in the first place? was that in your spec?
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not for lack of trying, but i haven't been able to get a good read on the slot. i'd lean town, for how they conducted themselves with the entire 'sacrificing obvtown kyouko for no good reason' fiasco. there are other slots i'm more interested in lynching. namely, you. ;>

if not you, then someone on the Diamond/Drone wagons yesterday. do you have any scumreads that were on one or both?
I thought you being non-alive/voteless meant that you were one of C.C or V.V. Your character's gender clears you of being VV, and with you being a noble I assume you're not CC either. Got a new theory on your char's role, now.

If you're scumreading me, why not vote? Did you know that you have a vote now, and do you know the reason? (Not asking you to say the reason, asking if the reason is known to you)

What about CD's conduct yesterday do you townread?

I only have one strong scumread at the moment, have to reconsider some reads now that DS flipped town. Off the DS wagon, I'm townreading Painbringer and Ari, definitely wouldn't go for either lynch today.
1) okay.

2) i was made aware i have a vote now. i have an idea as to why. i'll vote when i've decided who to push, and am not until i'm no longer phoneposting from class.

3) i don't think scum would out their ability the way they did. it's a bit weak, but it would be better to hide it rather than warn town. Gamma's surly behaviour is also towny. and i was scumreading the wagon.

4) do you think Ds would have been the mislynch today had he not been killed?
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Post Post #2349 (isolation #72) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:08 am

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In post 2346, Leonshade wrote:No reason not to go full steam with my push, then.

CrystallineDagger switching places with ssbm matches the Geass ability of Marianne vi Britannia exactly. CD's claim is therefore pretty obviously a fakeclaim for Marianne. I will not agree to lynch anyone other than CD today.
so you're alright with lynching CD and key entirely on flavour speculation? that's... weak.
why did you think it was a good idea to sacrifice kyouko, instead of having Painbringer kill CD if they ever died?
what about lynching key to get CD killed instead of risking an ability activation from CD, despite that being unlikely.
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Post Post #2350 (isolation #73) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 2348, Leonshade wrote:
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What was ssbm_kyouko's claim? If I'm correct about CD being Marianne, CD might have kyouko's abilities now.
you're going too far with flavour spec. think about how many assumptions you'd have to be correct on to get ANY useful information from this line of thinking.

feels like fear mongering. a bunch of mechanical/flavour reasons to lynch CD... why are they scum besides weak day 1 play, really.
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Post Post #2352 (isolation #74) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:16 am

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3) if you had an ability like that and were town, what would you do. hide it, then? that's ridiculous. you're scumreading a behaviour that town would
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i'd need to see the wagon again. i was scumreading more than you, though.

4) you had reads predicated on DS being scum, but you would have 'settled' for DS had he not died?
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:33 am

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VOTE: malpascp
while i catch up.
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Post Post #2407 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 am

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In post 2396, Leonshade wrote:Without the lover PTs, we probably wouldn't have found out about the swap. Remember that the lover PTs were Painbringer's activated ability, not an inherent part of the game.
this is the only thing bothering me. it would require CD to be unaware that their ability would steal a spot in a Lover PT. otherwise it's an obviously scummy ability that CD shouldn't have let get revealed. they should have claimed it outright.
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:33 am

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In post 2408, Vecna wrote:Well, its a rather obvious oversight. If you take over someone's body/identity you dont really get their feelings/emotions along with that.

CD just vastly underestimated the "clingy girlfriend" effect. Which is a role that suits Titus just marvelously imo :D
i don't know the other, but really my only hangup with this is that Gamma at least should have checked. if a body-swap is their power, and lover PTs exist... if it were me, i would ask. i don't think a flavour-ish explanation covers that oversight.
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:46 am

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In post 2411, Vecna wrote:either way, we can save him for now. Malpascp is a fat scum pinata and needs pressure to claim or die
suppose it's fine for the Geass-remover to try targeting CD, but i don't think we'll be getting kyouko back.

Rational is an odd kill. is it possible they died through their bodyguard ability instead of by being targeted?
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Post Post #2417 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:56 am

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In post 2415, Vecna wrote:this malpascp person rolled scum together with davesaz
2414 is a scumpost? if so, i agree.
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:26 am

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In post 2421, malpascp wrote:I cannot pledge loyalty, and cannot be protected.
If I'm wearing my Knightmare, I can target someone and destroy any Knightmares they have. If they are wearing it they die. Also cannot be blocked or redirected.

Any questions?
this confirms it for me. lynch this.
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #81) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:17 am

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mal's fakeclaim matching his abilities means nothing. i'm saying to lynch this.
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Post Post #2451 (isolation #82) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:18 am

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In post 2440, DarkInnocence wrote:"Let's go after a slot that could be useful to town and would prob have a better fake claim as scum instead of confirmed scum!"
VOTE: Dagger
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what exactly makes a vigilante a bad scum fakeclaim?

and CD's 'fakeclaim' is even worse/scummier. the same argument applies to them.
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #83) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:40 am

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In post 2452, Leonshade wrote:How certain are you of this?
60% certain by the claim alone.
by play, the number goes up. added to whatever culted might have on mal, it's a good lynch.
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #84) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:42 am

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Leon: if you're referring to abilities matching the claim. it also doesn't mean anything. i have an ability that doesn't really make sense with my flavour, as an example.
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #85) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:23 pm

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In post 2467, BTD6_maker wrote:Crystalline Dagger is not outright confscum. His claim seems unlikely (although I am not hugely familiar with flavour) but he could definitely be telling the truth given the ssbm_Kyouko lynch.

Malpascp's claim seems more unlikely, though again I will need knowledge of flavour to assess it.

I would say all players are likely to be PRs and have complex abilities.

Still no list of Nobles.
mal's claim is not unlikely, Dagger's isn't either. both are entirely expected for either alignment in a bastard game by Frozen Angel. mal's is scummy for a different reason, whereas Dagger's is not because of how the claim came out, in my opinion.

i don't have a list of nobles. i know Painbringer is one, and... culted, i believe? i'm also a noble.
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Post Post #2470 (isolation #86) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:41 pm

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In post 2469, malpascp wrote:why is my claim scummy?
do you have anything to say today that isn't about your claim or questions to other players about whether they're VTs or not?
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Post Post #2524 (isolation #87) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:11 pm

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In post 2521, keyXrb wrote:CD says they're not gonna suicide me in our lover PT, but I have nfi if that's to make me defend them here or something.

The thing is this game is REALLY bastard, I haven't been given info about what happens when people pledge to me and I really don't understand why scum would have this 'take this person's place' modifier. It seems like if anything, it's a town PGO bastard variant thing. What's everyone else's take?
i don't think CD is scum. i still wish they'd make you suicide, because i think you're scum, but i believe them when they say they won't.

mal is more likely scum. i'd say 60% scum by role
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Post Post #2525 (isolation #88) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:12 pm

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i'd also stay out of the special zone, but it seems that's already been realized.
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Post Post #2538 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:51 am

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leashing mal doesn't work, remember? the target has to be in a Knightmare. either you think mal is town, and let him shoot on his own based on who is in a KM, or you think he's scum and we lynch him today, as we should.
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Post Post #2539 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:58 am

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In post 2534, davesaz wrote:I'm so lost this game it's not even funny.
I could settle to lynch this too. :>

CD appears to be the inevitable 'mislynch for no reason beyond bad setup spec' player, so maybe getting them out of the picture now is better. i don't know.
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Post Post #2543 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:14 am

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In post 2540, McMenno wrote:sounds like a plan to me
you miss my post?
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Post Post #2545 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:36 am

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sure, but Leon's proposed plan won't hit scum. if scum is being targeted by mal, and mal isn't scum, then they won't get into their Knightmare if they have it. i suppose it would blow up the Knightmare, which would be good if Klingon is scum. but without a flip, it's just someone going around destroying Knightmares.
vigilantes are valuable if they aren't leashed. a leashed vigilante is useless. the only reason to leash a killer is if one thinks they're scum or an SK.

independently, i have Klingon leaning town. but that isn't my problem.

Leon, i don't know if i've made this clear yet, but i'm not really scumreading you anymore. if you have me as town, trust me on mal. or at
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Post Post #2552 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:41 am

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why wouldn't you use it on someone you're scumreading? if you're town.
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Post Post #2559 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:35 am

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thank you for summarizing my argument against
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mal, ari. leashing requires town determining who mal shoots before the day phase ends.
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Post Post #2602 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:10 pm

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In post 2566, Leonshade wrote:
In post 2559, Not Chara wrote:thank you for summarizing my argument against
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mal, ari. leashing requires town determining who mal shoots before the day phase ends.
So you think mal shouldn't take a shot if we don't lynch him?

Would CD flipping scum cause you to reconsider your scumread on mal, or do you think they could be scum together? (I realize as I type this that 3P exists, so this might be a dumb question).
mal read has nothing to do with CD, so no. i don't think CD will flip scum, but it's a possibility. and it looks like their lynch is inevitable.

if i'm wrong on mal and he's town, next best bet is culted. asking mal to fullclaim as if they have a guilty, then backing down from that. not a fan.

my opinion on mal's shot doesn't matter. if he's town (i doubt this) his best judgement on whether he shoots. if he's scum, he'll do what's best for his position. i'm questioning why he wouldn't shoot because it looks like he just doesn'twant backlash for it.
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Post Post #2604 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:15 pm

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mal, that would be a lot easier to believe if you seemed concerned with anything beyond talking about your claim in your ISO, since culted asked for it.
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:18 pm

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mal said he targeted Kain. Kain doesn't have a KM apparently.
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #98) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:35 am

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Leon: while i agree it's brazen, it doesn't stop it from being scum-motivated. as an example, i often see players townread for things like openly rolefishing, and it's easy to be aware of that as scum.

mal's continued frustration with me doesn't look like scum. especially considering the lack of a wagon on mal. so now the only thing i don't like is the claim.
the CD wagon is still token and bad. i could listen to Leon's Klingon case. dave is an alright option too.
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Post Post #2628 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:40 am

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you're his lover?

i'll unvote culted, you unvote my lover for the same reason. (Alisae)
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Post Post #2632 (isolation #100) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:21 am

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are you referring to davesaz, or CD? i think my feelings on CD are pretty clear at least.
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Post Post #2635 (isolation #101) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:26 am

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alright, calm down. did you not see me unvote you. do you have any reads at all, or are you going to avoid voting for the rest of this phase?
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Post Post #2636 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:32 am

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In post 2634, culted wrote:You can also talk about davesaz,, I'm not sure lostness is a good reason to scumread someone in this game and interested if there's anything more to your vote than that.

And yea you don't find the case on CD impressive but have acknowledged that the zombie hoard won't play the game until he's dead.
So I'm just wondering why you're now more optimistic about starting a new wagon than you were in the post I quoted.

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being lost is fine. being lost, but not really making an attempt to fix that is less fine. asking for a recap, claims, interacting with other players... these are all things that can be done. and beyond that, when davesaz
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posted, it's given me scumfeelings. i can quote posts in a bit.

as for now being optimistic: moods change with the days. i also have more time for mafia now.
you might be right that he needs to go, however. i just wish we were lynching someone that could give us information we could actually use. i don't mean to 'info lynch', i mean having a case to fight and press at all. CD can be vigged. what does the reasoning amount to beyond 'avenge kyouko' and 'didn't like how CD claimed'?
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Post Post #2778 (isolation #103) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:02 pm

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prod dodge, sorry everyone. it's been a rough couple of days.

also wondering why being a double-voter necessitates a flavour claim from Leon. it's a null ability.
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Post Post #2805 (isolation #104) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:54 am

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no. Knightmares are optional, only players getting into their KMs this night will be revealed.
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Post Post #2999 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:36 am

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In post 2998, Vecna wrote:So why are you voting me instead of near confirmed scum keyrb?

Trying to stop another scumlynch?
are you forgetting the part where your martyr Kyouko said keyXrb was confirmed town to them?
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Post Post #3000 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:39 am

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just to confirm, Kyouko
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claim Shinichiro? i'm not privy to whatever private topics that claim was passed around in.
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Post Post #3002 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:00 am

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yes. if you don't, there's something strange.
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:51 pm

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the argument can be made that scum wouldn't kill their lover if they were town, because that nets scum a free mislynch. and Vecna is pinging me hard for scum. mainly because Vecna seems to want to ignore that fact. and that CD could have simply neglected to submit.

but key is also a scumread, so the whole thing is a bit of a mess.
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Post Post #3036 (isolation #109) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:14 am

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maybe i missed it, but your acknowledgement of those points is what i wanted.
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Post Post #3037 (isolation #110) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:15 am

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In post 3036, Not Chara wrote:maybe i missed it, but your acknowledgement of those points is what i wanted.
keyXrb
VOTE: keyXrb
that's what i get for for posting so early.
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Post Post #3103 (isolation #111) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:03 am

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it's logic as a weird, scum-sided bastard ability makes just as much sense as having the ability as a weird town-sided bastard ability. ie: none at all.
was prodded.
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Post Post #4306 (isolation #112) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 4296, Firebringer wrote:Alisae: Any objections to shooting Painbringer?
Not Chara: not one.

>.>
i'm sorry Fire. i wasn't townreading you two. you know how bad i am at reading you both. :<
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