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Post Post #2735  (isolation #200)  » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:53 pm

i think it's easier than it should be for a lot of people to say the comparison is unfair
american power has done lots of harm to lots of people
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Post Post #2749  (isolation #201)  » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:32 am

In post 2738, Narna wrote:Someone is going to have to explain to me how people can be against "making light of rape" on an internet forum, but support the candidate who's immigration policy apes that of the EU. Them Syrian refugees made the rape numbers sky rocket.


i think the us can achieve better outcomes than those of the eu
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Post Post #2757  (isolation #202)  » Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:05 pm

oh so you don't think we're already spending more than enough on our own citizens
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Post Post #2813  (isolation #203)  » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:13 am

definitely hard not to acknowledge that germany could reform its refugee policy
just wish a discusssion of what's wrong with it could proceed without the muck
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Post Post #2824  (isolation #204)  » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:37 pm

but no one cares how data works bro
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Post Post #2832  (isolation #205)  » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:22 pm

tso types a lot of questions he could just google
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Post Post #2842  (isolation #206)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 2839, Shiro wrote:Btw. While I do agree that he probably doesn't have a plan for isis, I do agree with his sentiment that releasing said info is counter productive and will force you to change then anyway.

how could a voter who cares about destroying isis intelligently choose a candidate otherwise
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Post Post #2845  (isolation #207)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:19 pm

breitbart is the huffington post of the right
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Post Post #2849  (isolation #208)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:19 pm

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Post Post #2859  (isolation #209)  » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:42 pm

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... s-in-taxes

that awkward moment when illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than donald trump
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Post Post #2868  (isolation #210)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 12:44 pm

i mean
have you seen her platform?
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Post Post #2889  (isolation #211)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:18 pm

rc is wrong about so many things that i feel exhausted just thinking about explaining which
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Post Post #2894  (isolation #212)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:10 pm

I just think the price is worth paying


so bold so brave
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Post Post #2910  (isolation #213)  » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:01 am

shiro when you say clinton's tax plans are stupid do you say so as an economist or
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Post Post #2940  (isolation #214)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:04 am

gosh shiro that was the biggest pile of dung i've read in weeks
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Post Post #2941  (isolation #215)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:09 am

harmless?? she had an eating disorder
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Post Post #2942  (isolation #216)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:10 am

In post 2938, Shiro wrote:Also miss piggy! =Retard. One is obviously meant to offend and hurt, the other isn't.

are you fucking kidding me???
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Post Post #2943  (isolation #217)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:13 am

holy shit
how can someone be so
i just can't wrap my head around it
are you a teenager?? tell me you're still in school
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Post Post #2963  (isolation #218)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:49 am

In post 2961, Shiro wrote:I guess some people might ultimatly get bothered but doesn't that show mostly insensitivity and not really sexism ?

its bothhh
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Post Post #2967  (isolation #219)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:06 am

if having good relations with your employees is a good practice
why would you call any of them "missssss piggieee"
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Post Post #3010  (isolation #220)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 3006, Sudo_Nym wrote:So I'm reading story after story of Donald Trump stiffing contractors and service people on their bills and then using his lawyers to bully people out of suing for payment. I'm actually getting physically angry over this. I'm not sure how these same sorts of people who run businesses can then turn around and say "Hey, this guy consistently screws over people like me, he's a great businessman! I really hope he becomes President."

do u read quora too
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Post Post #3029  (isolation #221)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:41 am

In post 3011, T S O wrote:I know, I know. I get that too.

i appreciate your solidarity
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Post Post #3047  (isolation #222)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:26 pm

presidents in general keep around 60% of their campaign promises
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Post Post #3057  (isolation #223)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:15 pm

In post 3049, Annadog40 wrote:Problem with the president is that once they are there, they gotta deal with the rest of the government.

that's a good thing when the other guy wins
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Post Post #3059  (isolation #224)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:44 pm

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Post Post #3067  (isolation #225)  » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:04 am

he says he's sorry but he doesn't seem to really recognize how bad his comments were
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Post Post #3070  (isolation #226)  » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:43 am

drench we are all sinners in the eyes of god and/or/aka the media
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Post Post #3073  (isolation #227)  » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:20 pm

a bit aggro
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Post Post #3080  (isolation #228)  » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:39 am

what if they are
focus grouping has never seemed like a very reliable source of insight into anything
does anyone care about focus groups besides politicians?
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Post Post #3105  (isolation #229)  » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:32 am

different norms about handling family members i spose
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Post Post #3184  (isolation #230)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:41 am

Personally I think he is the kind of person that takes non action or silence as a yes

so he's a rapist
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Post Post #3185  (isolation #231)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:45 am

not forcing himself on them


but he used his power to put them in a situation they'd rather not have been in?
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Post Post #3186  (isolation #232)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:51 am

three points of disagreement i see between trump supporters and everyone else on this issue:
- disagreement about what counts as rape/sexual assault/predatory behavior/rape
- disagreement over whether donald trump bragging about doing all this is enough evidence to condemn him for the acts themselves
- disagreement over whether trump's bragging about rape is much less bad if he didn't actually do the things he was bragging about and instead just found them laudatory and reputation-improving
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Post Post #3188  (isolation #233)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:01 am

In post 3187, Shiro wrote:How is it rape if they didn't stop him from proceeding.

no consent
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Post Post #3189  (isolation #234)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:02 am

In post 3187, Shiro wrote:Which is very sleazy as I said.

it's forcing himself on them
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Post Post #3190  (isolation #235)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:08 am

In post 3187, Shiro wrote:Nobody does that

You're wrong on this. And even if most people don't do that, you're just pointing out a facet of rape culture.
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Post Post #3192  (isolation #236)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:29 am

if it's sexual, and it happens without consent, it's rape
choosing to rely on noisy, unreliable information channels to obtain consent and then claiming to be blameless when it turns out the person didn't consent is exactly the sort of behavioral pattern that makes rape so common and unpunished our society
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Post Post #3193  (isolation #237)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:29 am

https://www.facebook.com/politico/video ... 292366680/

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Post Post #3207  (isolation #238)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:26 am

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Post Post #3240  (isolation #239)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:20 am

"making the move" isn't asking for permission
it's making the move without permission
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Post Post #3241  (isolation #240)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:23 am

also rape and sexual assault are the same thing
any sexual act absent knowledge or consent is rape
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Post Post #3243  (isolation #241)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:24 am

nvm rape requires penetration according to the fbi ok
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Post Post #3246  (isolation #242)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:35 am

relying on noisy signals to get consent seems risky in the way that driving drunk is risky
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Post Post #3248  (isolation #243)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:44 am

In post 3247, Shiro wrote:Body language isn't noisy signal

you're living in a fantasy world just so you can defend your point
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Post Post #3252  (isolation #244)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:05 pm

i think they're vastly more noisy than language
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Post Post #3294  (isolation #245)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:53 pm

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Post Post #3411  (isolation #246)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:52 pm

so glad shiro isn't voting
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Post Post #3412  (isolation #247)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:55 pm

The thing about "eventually" is that it often doesn't happen soon enough. The Holocaust ended eventually, the Rwandan genocide ended eventually, and sure, Assad and ISIS will lose power eventually. But in the meantime people are suffering and dying and inaction can prolong all that.

It's one thing to argue that intervention just makes things worse - I have some patience for that. But arguing against intervention with the assertion that whatever is motivating intervention will eventually go away? It just doesn't work in the majority of cases. It focuses on the arc of history without actually paying attention to what's happening in people's lives along the way. Eventually, the human race will go extinct and the Earth will disintegrate into nothing. So??
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Post Post #3422  (isolation #248)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:50 pm

the most interesting thing about clinton is the way she's gotten this far in politics even though she's so bad at it
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Post Post #3428  (isolation #249)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:42 pm

i think hillary's underrated
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Post Post #3430  (isolation #250)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:35 pm

She's, like, smarter than me. And probably you, too.
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Post Post #3439  (isolation #251)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:28 pm

i'm like 100% sure hillary knew exactly what would happen on that stage before it did; it's not a real moment
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Post Post #3501  (isolation #252)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:20 am

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Post Post #3519  (isolation #253)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:51 pm

accountant is from singapore, might not share our idioms
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Post Post #3522  (isolation #254)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:58 pm

what is the right way to treat a shitty person
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Post Post #3527  (isolation #255)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:00 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.busine ... ent=safari

donald's surest path to the presidency involves flipping 4 states in this order: north carolina, florida, nevada, new hampshire

note: hillary's leads described in this article are now about 1.5 higher except in NH
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Post Post #3557  (isolation #256)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:55 pm

In post 3542, RadiantCowbells wrote:I am really ashamed of the way some people are acting towards certain trump supporters in this thread.

Ignorance breeds hatred. Maybe you should make some effort to understand why the other side feels the way it does instead of getting angry and self righteous.

If you're saying that Hillary Clinton is underrated as a candidate: you're wrong, and I'm claiming that as an objective fact.
I'm also claiming the below 5 as objective facts. I'm not pulling citations up for you: if you're an American you should for the love of Annie be reading the wikileaks.

1) She's pulling massive scale manipulation of the media to portray her favourably. Do you think it's coincidence that CNN is minimally reporting on Bernie Sanders when causing a stock price to drop 400 million is perfectly newsworthy? Do you think it's coincidence that . There's hard proof that the Clinton Campaign is telling people at CNN and likely other places what to write and what not to write. Hillary Clinton's campaign has always had a policy of getting close relationships with high level media reporters and feeding them stories to publish. One easy example if you want to start looking for this information is John Harwood.
2) She not only was aware of but was personally involved in funneling weapons to ISIS. This has not been released but Wikileaks has never fallen short on a claim they've made.
3) Yes, there was incredible coordination between the DNC and the Clinton Campaign and the media to shut down Bernie Sanders. Who is basically the best candidate that the states has seen since Dwight Eisenhower. Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed: people hate Trump. They just also hate Hillary just as much as the campaign's moved on. Do you think there's even a chance that Bernie with a perfect voting record and a PHENOMENAL approvement rating amongst independent voters would lose this election? Is that just OK for them to do?
4) She lies and goes back on stuff CONSTANTLY. In fact, this is her attitude about honest as a politician. "You need to have a “public and private position” in politics since “people get a little nervous” if they see the “back room” sausage making that goes on." If you think she legit didn't know about the email deletion then I have no hope for your intelligence. Benghazi. TPP (which in private she has said she'll continue to support if she gets elected!) as well! *Maybe she won't since that thing has been revealed and it would look really bad. But given her stranglehold on the media, the only major media to call her out on it would be Fox News.
5) The Bill thing. Like it or not, making excuses for and attempting to use her power to silence rape victims isn't OK. Representing a guilty client is okay and her job. Laughing about ruining a 13 year old's life and keeping a guilty man out of prison is not. Oh, and if John Ashe doesn't scare the hell out of you then I don't even know what to say.

Yes, there are a lot of racist trump supporters. But when you lost a lot of your most progressive, most left wing voters in favour of a right wing egomaniac, you should take a fucking step back and think why people are scared of her. And that's the right word, fear. I'm not 'afraid' of Trump. I think he's a fucking moron and will do a lot of bad for the country. I also acknowledge that he has plenty of his own backseat ties, particularly with regards to oil and climate change.

But Hillary is an ends-justify-the-means sociopath
Wait, but Trump is too. So that means they're equal?

No.

Hillary has the support of the establishment. If this ends in a democratic senate and house she has a carte blanche to do whatever the fuck she wants.
Is she going to do some good? yes. But she's doing a fuckton of bad that comes with it.

Trump doesn't. He's going to be a one term president who gets nothing done because he has neither the support of his own party nor the opposition nor any of the independents.

If in spite of all this you still want to vote Trump because he's repulsive, because he may have raped/groped women, because his social policies are horribly backwards, his trickle down economics is sketchy as fuck, he lies about things constantly, and his position on global warming is shit? Or you still want to vote Hillary because all of the above.

OK. That's fine. I believe at least the case involving the 13 year old girl is legitimate and that's swung me in favour of voting Hillary were I in America.

But if you act like there are no contrary positions and attack people who disagree personally you are being flat out ignorant. Don't be ignorant, do your research, and come to understand why people don't feel the same way you do. This isn't a right or wrong scenario. This is two horrible options with value judgments to be made, and people will wind up on either side.

There's been a lot of really toxic behaviour in this thread from people, some of whom are or were on the moderation team. I wish I could expect better.


I could agree with most of what's in this post and still think Hillary's underrated.
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Post Post #3565  (isolation #257)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:13 am

i mean there are loads of issues with the content of rc's post why focus on that one
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Post Post #3570  (isolation #258)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:20 am

The emails are real. But it's us intelligence services that found that the hacked materials originated from russia.
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Post Post #3571  (isolation #259)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:21 am

In post 3569, RadiantCowbells wrote:Great, I agree! But I don't care. Whether Putin wants Trump in power or not does not change my judgement on whether he's a better candidate.

i think it's probably worth thinking about what other world leaders' interests are when electing a president
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Post Post #3573  (isolation #260)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:24 am

In post 3561, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think there are TONS of reasons to vote Jill.

you'd get more done staying home on election day and baking a cake
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Post Post #3598  (isolation #261)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:22 am

lol
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Post Post #3631  (isolation #262)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:49 am

most people don't even know podesta, let alone care about his private reactions to terrorist attacks
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Post Post #3633  (isolation #263)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:54 am

you think news organizations should publish every possible story with no regard to whether the public would care
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Post Post #3634  (isolation #264)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:57 am

also the zerohedge article is itself biased reporting
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Post Post #3635  (isolation #265)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:59 am

it claims that the emails confirm that the DNC planned the protests, but every bit of evidence shown only evinces dnc leadership paying attention to and supporting them.
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Post Post #3637  (isolation #266)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:04 am

This pattern of complaining about media coverage and clinton follows the same pattern. You want mainstream news sources to do the same lazy, slanted reporting that the alternative media you read too much does.
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Post Post #3639  (isolation #267)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:07 am

In post 3636, Shiro wrote:When it is important stuff, yea. Especially when they have the audacity to say, you need to only get info about the email from the media. Not make a case on it bit include it amid else. Not make a single article dismissing it.

Who decides it's important stuff? You? News organizations are businesses. They don't get government funding. They literally can't produce stories on everything you personally wish the public would pay more attention to.

And I don't think any major news organization would try to police their consumers' behavior like that, or that it would be even a little effective?
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Post Post #3640  (isolation #268)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:13 am

I hate getting into these spats, but they're so profoundly uninformed. But you guys walk into them with so much confidence, like you're the only ones who walk around with the scales off your eyes because you take articles like that one on zerohedge for granted.
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Post Post #3642  (isolation #269)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:34 am

In post 3641, AxleGreaser wrote:Quite frankly I think all the people that go to the other parties rallies just to shout hings are jerks


I think it's fine to protest rallies. Disrupting rallies is a different story.
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Post Post #3649  (isolation #270)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:21 am

In post 3643, Shiro wrote:If it was just not covering unpopular and unwanted info then why are alternative media so popular? There is more to it than just bussiness choices.

pettles stories that are convenient for certain sorts of people
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Post Post #3652  (isolation #271)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:37 am

I read the emails. I don't care even a little about Podesta and his private reactions to terrorist attacks. I'm not dodging any questions. I don't even care enough to read them.
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Post Post #3657  (isolation #272)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:51 am

In post 3653, Shiro wrote:Because of some people that find other media more convinient ?

partially
distrust in mass media is definitely related to political polarization
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Post Post #3658  (isolation #273)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:52 am

In post 3654, RadiantCowbells wrote:No you didn't because you are still saying that the HRC campaign is and was not working directly with the media to manipulate their public image.


I think every political campaign does this.
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Post Post #3660  (isolation #274)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:55 am

I never said it wasn't happening.
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Post Post #3661  (isolation #275)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:56 am

In post 3659, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yes, it's not new but no one has had the political buying power that HRC has had before and that makes it a whole new ballgame.


HRC is for campaign finance reform. She even says so in all the leaked private speeches.
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Post Post #3662  (isolation #276)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:59 am

In post 3659, RadiantCowbells wrote:the kind of systematic control and the veto power that the HRC campaign seems to have over several mainstream liberal news sources.

I think you overstate her control.
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Post Post #3668  (isolation #277)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:14 am

i know a lot of clinton supporters but i don't know a single clinton supporter who thinks she's done no wrong
i just think her corruption is standard, boring, what we've come to expect of politicians; not even nixonian-level
the idea that her level of corruption could "ruin" the country just stands in the face of all the evidence i've seen that she's frankly a bland and mundane human being
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Post Post #3671  (isolation #278)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:17 am

I think supporting trump is a fundamentally immoral act. It's like having the option of killing one baby and of killing two babies, and choosing the latter.
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Post Post #3679  (isolation #279)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:30 am

and ban wifi so our brains develop safely
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Post Post #3685  (isolation #280)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:37 am

In post 3682, Fluminator wrote:
In post 3668, Psyche wrote:the idea that her level of corruption could "ruin" the country just stands in the face of all the evidence i've seen that she's frankly a bland and mundane human being

Considering I don't live in America, I'm more concerned about her ruining other countries which she has a track record of.
(I also like how I said I wouldn't post against. I really suck at this)

which us president doesn't have one of those
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Post Post #3699  (isolation #281)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:01 pm

Fluminator wrote:Maybe it's time for America to do a revolution (Russian style).
Better do it before Hillary takes away all your guns.

please note that this is a sarcastic post
that doesn't make it a good post ":(
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Post Post #3714  (isolation #282)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 3701, Fluminator wrote:
In post 3699, Psyche wrote:
Fluminator wrote:Maybe it's time for America to do a revolution (Russian style).
Better do it before Hillary takes away all your guns.

please note that this is a sarcastic post
that doesn't make it a good post ":(

Sorry.
I wasn't going to say anything, but I don't think
1. admitting that your American leaders being elected are actively destroying other countries and the civilians living in them
2. not seeming to care about it
is a good post either

It's a really sticky issue. I think America mostly does good around the world and generally tries to do good around the world (though on its own terms), but often messes up. If America goes isolationist and never intervenes anywhere, are they blameless? Will things be better? I don't know. America has stood aside during lots of different atrocities, and I don't think they're blameless just because they didn't do anything. I wish there were a clear way America could use what it has to help people abroad without getting in the way so often.
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Post Post #3715  (isolation #283)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:47 pm

Bernie is not going to run against Hillary again. Some other progressive might, though.
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Post Post #3721  (isolation #284)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:57 pm

No president has ever done what you suspect Hillary will do. On average a president keeps over 60% of their campaign promises. And they'd probably keep more if they could!
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Post Post #3723  (isolation #285)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:00 pm

That's the thing I think most people don't get about politicians and their promises. They usually keep them. Politicians care about being good at their jobs, and what a politician announces he or she will do is literally the only measure they'll have of their effectiveness as one. Do you really think someone like Hillary Clinton isn't outright obsessed with being not just president, but a good president?
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Post Post #3736  (isolation #286)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:17 pm

I do, but the things that I'm worried about her not doing are the things that weren't her babies and were instead things that she eventually adopted when she realized she wouldn't take enough of the right's vote to win without appealing to the Sanders crowd. Especially when one of the things she spent a fantastic amount of time working on and is her metaphorical baby is something she's promised that she's not going to pass while she's in office, and she's clearly not changed that viewpoint. And she was a neoliberal in many ways before this election.

It's not that she wouldn't try to be a good president, after her own beliefs, it's that she changed her platform in many ways under pressure and I don't know how sincere it is.


Maybe that's our difference. I think being neoliberal makes a politician really banal and ordinary, a protector of the status quo. You seem to think of it is as an extraordinary evil. I can understand that - the status quo is pretty terrible! But it's typical. Perhaps because I'm an American familiar with our political right, if I can get a neoliberal that cares about climate change, poverty and evidence-based policy, I feel like we've avoided something devastating. But your standards are higher, I suppose.

At the same time, though, if you support Jill Stein, in some ways they aren't.
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Post Post #3740  (isolation #287)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:28 pm

Wait. Can you send me a link to evidence of her supporting TPA after publicly coming against it?
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Post Post #3744  (isolation #288)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:53 pm

i see her pursuing a new trade agreement with the the tpa member states that is more evidently favorable for workers as she states in her platform
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Post Post #3751  (isolation #289)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:07 pm

don't worry too much about it flum it's a minority
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Post Post #3776  (isolation #290)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:51 am

lol
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Post Post #3780  (isolation #291)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:00 pm

hehehe
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Post Post #3811  (isolation #292)  » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:43 pm



this exists
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Post Post #3829  (isolation #293)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:33 am

lowkey proud of hillary for handling an issue like partial birth abortion handily
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Post Post #3840  (isolation #294)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:17 pm

lol
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Post Post #3842  (isolation #295)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:22 pm

oh yeah
practically a promise
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Post Post #3851  (isolation #296)  » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:58 pm

In post 3844, Shiro wrote:I m not saying it is certain, but looking at what is going on and Russia getting mobilised for war, I am saying it is a possibility.

To be honest, Yea I might be having a small paranoia freak out that will pass soon and then by thinking it straight I will be like eh but , it is a possiblity.

I think it's just sort of a fundamental misreading of Hillary's intelligence and view of the world to expect her to do that sort of thing. If you're already inclined to dislike her, I guess I can see why you might see her as low-key stupid or crazy.
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Post Post #3961  (isolation #297)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:08 pm

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Post Post #4234  (isolation #298)  » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:05 pm

the hillary version asserts that she shot vince foster herself
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Post Post #4239  (isolation #299)  » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:56 pm

share the tape share the tape
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Post Post #4254  (isolation #300)  » Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:37 pm

it looks like they used the same method as those selma types
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Post Post #4412  (isolation #301)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:18 am

gosh karnos you're hilarious
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Post Post #4413  (isolation #302)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:20 am

Here’s a quick summary of the other risks, organized by candidate. I’ll rank them from 1-10 with 10 being “drinks alcohol.”

Trump Risks

1. No political experience in office (4)

2. Might say something insulting to another leader (3)

3. Might go nuts for the first time in his 70-year life. (2)

4. Aggressive negotiating stance might cause trouble (5)

5. Might institute some racist/sexist/homophobic policies (0)

6. Doesn’t do his homework on the issues (3)

7. Health problems (5)

8. Budget deficit expands to deadly proportions (6)

9. Might cause a race war (3)


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Post Post #4414  (isolation #303)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:22 am

Video of Clinton allegedly drunk in the morning.

Video of Clinton allegedly drunk while wondering why she isn’t 50-points ahead.

Wikileak email about trying to sober-up Clinton at 4:30 PM.

Video of Clinton allegedly passing out drunk at 911 ceremony.

Images of Clinton drinking socially.


allegedly
the funny thing is that the only source that doesn't sport the bold italics is taking an email out of context so that it's easier to read literally

sober someone up
1. Lit. to take actions that will cause a drunken person to become sober. some coffee ought to sober him up. He tried to sober himself up because he had to drive home. They tried to sober up the guys who had been out all night.
2. Fig. to cause someone to face reality. The harsh reality of what had happened sobered him up immediately. The arrival of the police sobered up all the revelers.


can't believe not one comment points out that the phrase is an idiom
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Post Post #4430  (isolation #304)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:03 am

In post 4415, karnos wrote:https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25842

Can't wait for your explanation. Is John Podesta also working for Trump? LOL.

Hillary is a drunkard..

my last post addresses exactly this source
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Post Post #4431  (isolation #305)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:06 am

karnos i think you're kind of dumb and are being exploited for it
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Post Post #4524  (isolation #306)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:45 pm

In post 4483, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Reck youre really a dumbass with no sense buying into leftist propaganda, I can counter every single point but my time would be wasted because youre too brainwashed. Youre a child of the sjw era and a failure.

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Post Post #4525  (isolation #307)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:46 pm

In post 4483, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Reck youre really a dumbass with no sense buying into leftist propaganda, I can counter every single point but my time would be wasted because youre too brainwashed. Youre a child of the sjw era and a failure.

In post 4499, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Reminds me of this saying: "The media takes Trump literally but doesnt take him seriously. His supporters take him seriously but not literally."

The left is abusive and worst than any racism ive ever encountered in my entire life

even more powerful coming from a white guy
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Post Post #4533  (isolation #308)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:28 pm

donald might win
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Post Post #4538  (isolation #309)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:54 pm

tso's posts are always so incoherent
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Post Post #4540  (isolation #310)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:57 pm

anix it's not that easy to predict how a state will flip from early voting tracking
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Post Post #4543  (isolation #311)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:02 am

all the polling indicates a close race
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Post Post #4546  (isolation #312)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:12 am

sounds like the sort of talk that blindsided the pundits in 2012
but we'll see
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Post Post #4550  (isolation #313)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:21 am

idc who makes the decisions i just wish they were better
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Post Post #4560  (isolation #314)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:39 am

I promise you that I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated.


donald trump supporters plz i gotta know
why do you think he made this tweet?
are people in your neck of the woods aware of it? do you guys have a script for explaining it away?

here's a video that contextualizes it
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Post Post #4562  (isolation #315)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:42 am

its not working for me either no worries
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Post Post #4571  (isolation #316)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 4564, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I've never seen anyone take as much heat as him and still push forward


hilarious
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Post Post #4573  (isolation #317)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:21 pm

yes it must be nice to live without shame
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Post Post #4575  (isolation #318)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:23 pm

is there anyone who has been through more trials and tribulations than mr donald j trump
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Post Post #4578  (isolation #319)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:38 pm

i need to be a better person ima try a smidge harder
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Post Post #4610  (isolation #320)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:45 pm

In post 4602, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Those John Stewart videos were retarded, this video was meaningful and cut through the bullshit on a personal level

i suppose this is the most you'll comment on their content then
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Post Post #4630  (isolation #321)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:25 pm

we already disagree on who is right nothing is going to change that no need to rehash
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Post Post #4632  (isolation #322)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:35 pm

really innovative place to put stripper poles
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Post Post #4634  (isolation #323)  » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:57 pm

um ok
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Post Post #4658  (isolation #324)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:41 am

The perfect example of someone trapped in an echo chamber.

such a beautiful mind you have
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Post Post #4666  (isolation #325)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:54 am

Politicians keep most of their promises.
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Post Post #4668  (isolation #326)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:22 am

doesn't seem too hard
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Post Post #4670  (isolation #327)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:26 am

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Post Post #4673  (isolation #328)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:38 am

Sure, but most politicians don't have complete power in their governments. Getting things done is hard! I bet the rate would be a lot higher if it weren't for all the other people in office who have promised entirely opposing things.
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Post Post #4688  (isolation #329)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 4674, Davsto wrote:That doesn't change that "most promises are kept" is a rather misleading statement though.

completely disagree
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Post Post #4690  (isolation #330)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:42 pm

In post 4686, Wake88 wrote:I can count the media outlets on my right hand.

so it's 5 or less
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Post Post #4693  (isolation #331)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:55 pm

profoundly narrow-minded perhaps
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Post Post #4712  (isolation #332)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:28 pm

really the best thread
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Post Post #4735  (isolation #333)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:38 pm

Could have sworn that the statistics say that donald trump has gotten more coverage and more positive coverage than hillary this season.
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Post Post #4744  (isolation #334)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:45 pm

nyt is more liberal than huffington post??
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Post Post #4778  (isolation #335)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:22 pm

In post 4763, Annadog40 wrote:Nah, The statistics are like 40% - 50%, if there was a wall that would increase unless T S O can figure out how a wall gonna stop planes.

if it's just 40%-50% then the wall reduces illegal immigration by around half even if it doesn't stop planes
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Post Post #4830  (isolation #336)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:35 pm

i've never seen a primarily white gathering called a riot before this could be quite an experience
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Post Post #4917  (isolation #337)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:57 pm

In post 4913, chamber wrote:Calling Accountant a liberal is a big stretch.

no, chamber
accountant speaks for all liberals
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Post Post #4927  (isolation #338)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 am

accountant is so reliably foolish
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Post Post #4931  (isolation #339)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:14 am

what would my life be like if i took the time to explain every disagreement i had with what people say on this forum
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Post Post #4934  (isolation #340)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:26 am

spooky
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Post Post #4940  (isolation #341)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:33 am

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Post Post #4950  (isolation #342)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:39 am

People will always disagree about what's right, Accountant. So it's not actually an efficacious source of legitimacy.
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Post Post #4956  (isolation #343)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:42 am

what happens to people who never change their minds about supporting donald trump despite their "education"
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Post Post #4958  (isolation #344)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:43 am

In post 4952, Accountant wrote:
In post 4950, Psyche wrote:People will always disagree about what's right, Accountant. So it's not actually an efficacious source of legitimacy.

That's where the Education comes in. In this manner, everyone will agree.

People will always disagree about what's right, Accountant.
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Post Post #4962  (isolation #345)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:44 am

Actually we can't; around 40% of Americans support Donald Trump.
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Post Post #4964  (isolation #346)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:45 am

In post 4961, Accountant wrote:
In post 4956, Psyche wrote:what happens to people who never change their minds about supporting donald trump despite their "education"

Must not be a very good education then

not going to answer the question?
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Post Post #4969  (isolation #347)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:50 am

What even is a right to vote if you only have it if you plan for vote who you're told to vote.
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Post Post #4972  (isolation #348)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:54 am

So, North Korea.
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Post Post #4979  (isolation #349)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:00 am

accountant is the sort of person who would read 1984 and say "this has some good ideas"
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Post Post #4985  (isolation #350)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:03 am

if you have the sort of respect for human rights that makes you think it's ok to send people away indefinitely to be re-educated then maybe you aren't actually a good person
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Post Post #4990  (isolation #351)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:08 am

In post 4987, Accountant wrote:
In post 4979, Psyche wrote:accountant is the sort of person who would read 1984 and say "this has some good ideas"

1984 is a dystopia filled with poverty and the policing of thoughts. Why would I think it has any good ideas?

i don't really know but here we are
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Post Post #4992  (isolation #352)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:09 am

In post 4988, Accountant wrote:
In post 4985, Psyche wrote:if you have the sort of respect for human rights that makes you think it's ok to send people away indefinitely to be re-educated then maybe you aren't actually a good person

You're making it sound like I'm torturing them. I'm not. I'm helping them.

You're sending people away indefinitely to be re-educated.
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Post Post #5003  (isolation #353)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:14 am

In post 4995, Accountant wrote:And that's a good thing. They were wrong; now they're right. How twisted a person can you be to look at that and say it's wrong?

You're sending people away indefinitely to be re-educated.
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Post Post #5020  (isolation #354)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:22 am

In post 5004, Accountant wrote:Shaziro: I'm not policing thoughts. I do not force anyone to think anything. I'm simply teaching them the right path and hoping - not coercing - that the right thoughts follow. If someone votes for Hillary but supports Trump in their heart of hearts, that's fine. They have a right to free thought.

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Post Post #5068  (isolation #355)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:49 am

what a nice life you must have
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Post Post #5171  (isolation #356)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:34 am

so creepy
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Post Post #5177  (isolation #357)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:15 am

In post 5173, Accountant wrote:You want me to prove my axioms to you?? Do you understand what axioms are?

how will you re-educate people to believe your axioms
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Post Post #5190  (isolation #358)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:18 am

In post 5187, Accountant wrote:
In post 5177, Psyche wrote:
In post 5173, Accountant wrote:You want me to prove my axioms to you?? Do you understand what axioms are?

how will you re-educate people to believe your axioms

I think the reason people don't share my axioms is because they started with a different set of beliefs formed by various influences. If we teach them before they have a chance to learn wrong things, then it's easy.

what happens to the people who don't have these axioms you arbitrarily imposed on everyone
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Post Post #5194  (isolation #359)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:21 am

In post 5182, theplague42 wrote:Accountant is the left-wing equivalent of a theocrat.

the phrase is "totalitarian"
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Post Post #5195  (isolation #360)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:21 am

In post 5192, Accountant wrote:
In post 5190, Psyche wrote:
In post 5187, Accountant wrote:
In post 5177, Psyche wrote:
In post 5173, Accountant wrote:You want me to prove my axioms to you?? Do you understand what axioms are?

how will you re-educate people to believe your axioms

I think the reason people don't share my axioms is because they started with a different set of beliefs formed by various influences. If we teach them before they have a chance to learn wrong things, then it's easy.

how can an axiom be right or wrong

Some axioms are mutually exclusive with morality.

sounds like another non answer
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Post Post #5200  (isolation #361)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:30 am

In post 5197, Accountant wrote:It's not a non answer.

Morality says X. Axiom says Y. X and Y are mutually exclusive. Axiom is wrong. gg no re

sounds like more axioms
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Post Post #5203  (isolation #362)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:37 am

In post 5201, Accountant wrote:Morality is basically cosmic law.

sounds more like another axiom
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Post Post #5207  (isolation #363)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:45 am

i see you call it garbage but i don't see any argument against it
not at all typical from you nope
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Post Post #5212  (isolation #364)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:50 am

you'd have used more words to make the same bad argument anyway
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Post Post #5219  (isolation #365)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:52 am

In post 5213, Accountant wrote:
In post 5211, theplague42 wrote:
In post 5208, Accountant wrote:I know for a fact there's an absolute morality

How?

It's self evident. How the fuck does noone else see this

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Post Post #5226  (isolation #366)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:56 am

In post 5224, Accountant wrote:

"I know that my views are naive but I still try to stick with them forever because nuance is bad."

Cognitive dissonance is when you try to doublethink right? How is this cogdis?

google is ur friend ma man
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Post Post #5232  (isolation #367)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:02 pm

In post 5231, Accountant wrote:
In post 5225, Shaziro wrote:Removing Trump via violence does do harm, though. Specifically, it does harm to him, any of his supporters, anyone who's job it is to protect him, it harms the stability of our nation (even if you feel leaving him there would do more harm), etcetera. Your belief that you know the one correct morality is also not solved by making a chain to "remove Trump".

It's okay to do harm to bad people. The badness cancels each other out, like a double negative.

is this another arbitrary axiom
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Post Post #5235  (isolation #368)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:04 pm

are all of your positions just axioms you picked from the wind
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Post Post #5238  (isolation #369)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:06 pm

that's not an argument that's just converting your view into exclamation points and arrows
your entire post is equivalent to the claim "The badness cancels each other out, like a double negative"; no proof is provided
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Post Post #5239  (isolation #370)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 5237, Accountant wrote:
In post 5235, Psyche wrote:are all of your positions just axioms you picked from the wind

I picked them because they're absolutely correct.

how do you know
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Post Post #5243  (isolation #371)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 pm

I don't think you know much about even basic logic, to be honest.

here is an introduction you can work through: http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/symbolic.html
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Post Post #5248  (isolation #372)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:12 pm

In post 5244, Accountant wrote:Have you made a bet with a friend how many times you can make me say "self evident"

how do you know it's self-evident
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Post Post #5253  (isolation #373)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:14 pm

In post 5246, Accountant wrote:Are you seriously trying to tell me not-not-P does not equal to P

you are correct that not-not-P equals P
but it's apparent that you don't know what not-not-P means
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Post Post #5254  (isolation #374)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:16 pm

for example,
"P" in a logical construct refers to some proposition, assertions that can be true or false
"good" is not a proposition
to treat it like one is nonsensical, dumb
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Post Post #5264  (isolation #375)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:26 pm

suppose you used "good" as a shorthand for "Person A did not do bad thing X to Person B", and we refer to this proposition as P
not-P is "Person A did do bad thing X to Person B", and not-not-P is "Person A did not do bad thing X"
taking the opposite of P gives you not-P, and taking the opposite of that gives you Not-not-P, or P

but none these transformations show that the conjunction of "Person A did do bad thing X" (not P) and "Bad thing X was done to Person A" (an entirely different proposition, Q) is equivalent to P, "Person A did not do bad thing X to person B
that would require a more detailed argument you don't seem capable of making
or, can you show that (notP & Q) = P using propositions we all agree are true?
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Post Post #5286  (isolation #376)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:45 pm

i'd really love to see accountant produce another argument i can break down
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Post Post #5290  (isolation #377)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:51 pm

Accountant, I think your epistemology is sort of out of whack, too. There are only two ways you can convince someone of something they don't already believe. You can either show that it follows from something they already believe, or you can lead them to make empirical observations (like "There is a bird on that tree over there") that either consist of the proposition you're trying to convince them of or in combination with their other beliefs can logically produce the proposition you're trying to convince them of. Asserting a bunch of axioms no one else shares has really little rhetorical value in a discussion. Your overreliance on them is probably the main reason people think talking to you is a huge waste of time.
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Post Post #5291  (isolation #378)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 5289, Shaziro wrote:Psyche. No? No getting him together with other Correct Ones? Imagine the profits on that book, Psyche.

not enough to justify the cost probably
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Post Post #5302  (isolation #379)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:10 pm

i was sort of horrified when he went full big brother on us but now im having fun
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Post Post #5312  (isolation #380)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:23 pm

we should lock this thread for the sake of the main one
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Post Post #5320  (isolation #381)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:23 pm

i can make a pretty strong argument for the existence of good
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Post Post #5381  (isolation #382)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:21 am

Pretty impressive, I suppose.
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Post Post #5382  (isolation #383)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:34 am

if donald handles social issues ok, i won't totally hate him
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Post Post #5385  (isolation #384)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:03 am

i mean
is that a real question
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Post Post #5391  (isolation #385)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:47 am

still a bad person
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Post Post #5405  (isolation #386)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:05 am

In post 5398, Wake88 wrote:Even CNN live has been acknowledging and reiterating what I've said. They understand why they lost, and why Trump is now our president.

oh well if someone on cnn said it...
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Post Post #5411  (isolation #387)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:18 am

oh, she'll concede, don't worry
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Post Post #5415  (isolation #388)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:21 am

it's an idiom
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Post Post #5431  (isolation #389)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:57 am

corruption doesn't have to be illegal to be corruption kk
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Post Post #5545  (isolation #390)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:53 am

would be more pithy just to go for "creep"
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Post Post #5548  (isolation #391)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:57 am

you're so easy to bait accountant
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Post Post #5550  (isolation #392)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:00 pm

you're a creep because you're a creep
it's self-evident
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Post Post #5552  (isolation #393)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:02 pm

yes it is
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Post Post #5555  (isolation #394)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:05 pm

In post 5551, Accountant wrote:Where are you even getting this shit from

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Post Post #5557  (isolation #395)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:16 pm

but i am
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Post Post #5564  (isolation #396)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:24 pm

actual white nationalists almost definitely backed donald and not hillary in this election with near total unanimity, so the focus on byrd is not only insanely obviously facile but also a deliberate distraction from what actually matters when we talk about racism's impact on politics
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Post Post #5565  (isolation #397)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:24 pm

In post 5561, Garmr wrote:@kublai khan offer something intelligent other than bad group supports x so x must be bad.

so ur admitting the byrd comment was stupid or
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Post Post #5573  (isolation #398)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:11 pm

In post 5572, karnos wrote:I don't think I have seen a single real argument against his policy stance

must not be very well-read
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Post Post #5576  (isolation #399)  » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:16 pm

If you look at the demographics, it's the people least likely to know the difference between a good and a bad argument who supported donald trump. It's the people who apparently went the entire election season without seeing one meaningful argument against their position. Your narrative about why trump won is naive partisan punditry, rooted more in ego than fact. Even in victory, you can't seem to think clearly.
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