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Post Post #198  (isolation #0)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:57 am

In post 180, drmyshottyizsik wrote:the actual policies.

Just curious

Does Donald Trump actually have any consistent policies?

Like, for all he says, the only policies I know of are building a wall and making the Mexicans pay for it and the whole preventing Muslim immigration

That's literally it
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Post Post #200  (isolation #1)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:16 pm

Huh, there are actual policies

Shit ones

But actual policies
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Post Post #203  (isolation #2)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:38 pm

Yeah, I barely have a basic knowledge of American history, and I know that at the least FDR in his early days was very divisive.
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Post Post #205  (isolation #3)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:20 pm

The voters (general public etc) voted FDR in by a landslide.

Meanwhile, the corporation bosses ran smear campaigns, saying his physical disabilities were caused by an STD, and put messages in workers' pay packets telling them that the New Deal would never happen.
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Post Post #214  (isolation #4)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:38 pm

Aren't most Americans descendants of non-Natives and, as such, are the descendants of immigrants?

Not an expert on American history, but I always kinda found the total opposition to them funny because I thought that was a thing.
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Post Post #216  (isolation #5)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:47 pm

I get your point but the way Trump seems to promote it makes me immediately distasteful

Like, "building a wall to keep the Mexicans out" because all Mexicans are "drug dealers" or "rapists" just immediately turns me off from the idea when worded like that. The way you said it is reasonable, but you're not the one that's gonna be in power.

Controlling illegal immigration is important. Trump sounds like he's planning to stop all immigration from Mexico at least just because he hates Mexicans for racist ideas.
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Post Post #219  (isolation #6)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:56 pm

In post 217, Albert B. Rampage wrote:To my knowledge he only mentioned rapists once, when he announced for president. This was to get a lot of attention because there were like 17 candidates running for the republican nomination. Loudest voice in the room gets attention sort of deal. He played the system.

So... it's okay to be incredibly racist if it's to get attention?

I'm gonna pull out of the discussion here because the person who makes this kind of ridiculous justification for a pretty terrible thing is obviously someone who is devoted beyond all sense and reason, and arguing will only piss me off. I'd say that I hope you'll see the error of your beliefs, but that'll only happen if Trump gets into power, and frankly I am terrified of what will happen then and I'm not even American.
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Post Post #226  (isolation #7)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:13 pm

Donald Trump wrote:“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”


You're misrepresenting the quote to paint it positively. The way he tacks on "And some, I assume, are good people," at the end, as an afterthought doesn't sound like he's saying "most of them are alright, but there are some bad eggs". He's definitely saying "they're basically all bad, there may be some okay ones, I guess, although I'm so unsure about it that I can only say "I assume", but they're basically all terrible".

I know I said I'd withdraw, but I was interested to find the exact quote and see what he said and how he said it.
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Post Post #230  (isolation #8)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:22 pm

In post 228, Albert B. Rampage wrote:transgender gay US president

Is there something about this phrase being used as if it's the worst thing possible that rubs me the wrong way, or am I just being weird?

Also

they can hold their shit together during debates and live TV.
Are you sure you're talking about Donald "blood coming out of her wherever" Trump?
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Post Post #233  (isolation #9)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 226, Davsto wrote:
Donald Trump wrote:“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”


You're misrepresenting the quote to paint it positively. The way he tacks on "And some, I assume, are good people," at the end, as an afterthought doesn't sound like he's saying "most of them are alright, but there are some bad eggs". He's definitely saying "they're basically all bad, there may be some okay ones, I guess, although I'm so unsure about it that I can only say "I assume", but they're basically all terrible".

I know I said I'd withdraw, but I was interested to find the exact quote and see what he said and how he said it.
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Post Post #234  (isolation #10)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:32 pm

You keep saying that he's not saying that all Mexican immigrants are rapists/terrible. But he is. The fact that he added the "good people" thing as an almost-sarcastic afterthought is telling enough of that.

Actually done now. Keep believing your views, but honestly I feel sorry for you.
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Post Post #239  (isolation #11)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:52 pm

In post 238, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is the closest we will ever get to sending a message that the people can't be manipulated by the media.

Really? Because honestly, the only message you'll send to other countries is that a majority of voting Americans are fucking stupid.
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Post Post #240  (isolation #12)  » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:53 pm

I'm sorry, but you're sounding more and more like an obsessed raving lunatic the more you speak.
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Post Post #514  (isolation #13)  » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:32 pm

In post 512, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 507, Rob13 wrote:
In post 505, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 490, Rob13 wrote:If you think free-riding isn't a problem, then propose to me a solution to my streetlight example. What should everyone pay in order to fairly pay for the streetlight without having any one person free-loading?

Take out the street lights. Then if you want to see buy better headlights.


Headlights would cost $50. No-one except the person who valued light at $50 would buy one, and everyone would be much worse off except that person. This is clearly not optimal.

I garentee you that if you removed the street lights, everyone will start to value light at $50. Supply meet demand.

Imagine an area.

Lampposts not used by the rich because they don't go outside alone at night.

Used largely for safety of those out that late, the poor maybe walking home from long working hours and homeless, who can't afford to pay for these streetlights due to unfortunate circumstances in their life beyond their control.

This results in a higher crime rate targeted largely towards the poor and homeless due to low light conditions, many of them are dying.

Still unfair to expect anyone else to contribute towards the streetlights?
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Post Post #526  (isolation #14)  » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:49 pm

drmyshottyizsik wrote:Well it will decrease the surplus population right?

Okay thanks for being obvious with your trolling

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Post Post #649  (isolation #15)  » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:24 pm

In post 619, zoraster wrote:Image

Fun fact:

In Britain, the colour of the Conservative Party is blue, while the colour of the Labour Party is red.

Result: this map confused the shit out of me, because I'm used to the main left/right wing colours being the opposite way around.
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Post Post #775  (isolation #16)  » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 766, drmyshottyizsik wrote:In my opinion around 1933.

Ahh, so you thought the last "great" year of America was several years into the Great Depression, also a year where a particularly large number of black lynchings were held?

Figures.
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Post Post #785  (isolation #17)  » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 783, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Why do you have to make it a race thing?

Because... you picked a year during a time notorious for racism as America's "peak"? Like, come on. It's similar to me saying the best year in German history is 1939 and then complaining when someone makes it a Nazi-based comment.
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Post Post #917  (isolation #18)  » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:13 am

In post 887, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 885, BROseidon wrote:
In post 884, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 883, Not_Mafia wrote:Yes the Sanders delusions of making Mexico pay for a wall and deportation forces ejecting people's families

If we threaten to leave nafta a wall will go up. Plus Mexico already built one for Guatemala


lol.

You're delusional.

How so, either Mexico builds a wall or we tax their goods and mexico will then pay for it.

but surely mexico makes all their money from america by selling drugs??? don't you know anything about pollytics
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Post Post #973  (isolation #19)  » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:06 am

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/index.php

guarantee this will become handy at some point in the coming conversation

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Post Post #1152  (isolation #20)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:03 am

In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

excuse me i think you'll find he's very educated on political knowledges
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Post Post #1156  (isolation #21)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:13 am

In post 1154, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

And vapor, ice and water are all very different but are still made of H2O. All of those ideologies are liberal in nature. Now they are vastly different ideologies yes, but that are similar and from the same spectrum.

to be fair communism and fascism have a lot in common with liberalism as well as each other

that is definitely the point of view of someone who knows their pollytics
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Post Post #1159  (isolation #22)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:24 am

In post 1158, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1156, Davsto wrote:
In post 1154, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1151, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 1149, drmyshottyizsik wrote:liberalism, be it socialism, communism, or fascism, this doesn't make me ignorant

it's ironic because those are four very different political ideologies!

And vapor, ice and water are all very different but are still made of H2O. All of those ideologies are liberal in nature. Now they are vastly different ideologies yes, but that are similar and from the same spectrum.

to be fair communism and fascism have a lot in common with liberalism as well as each other

that is definitely the point of view of someone who knows their pollytics

Perhaps you would be happier with the terminology of left-wing?

Also, EBWOPFYP:
politics

Yes. Fascism is left-wing

Fascism is my favourite left-wing pollytical view
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Post Post #1160  (isolation #23)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:26 am

Also, communism and liberalism are pretty damn far apart politically. Sure, they're both "left-wing", but if you group everyone into "famous" and "not famous" then you're putting Craig Charles in the same category as Morgan Freeman.
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Post Post #1164  (isolation #24)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:39 am

In post 1163, Untrod Tripod wrote:and, fuck, if fascism isn't a right-wing ideology what IS according to you?

trump

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Post Post #1179  (isolation #25)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:03 pm

Can we stop interacting with this guy and encouraging him?

He's already shown he's ignorant of politics by claiming fascism to be liberal/left-wing, and thus also a liar ("I am quite informed on [politics]"), just don't bother.
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Post Post #1217  (isolation #26)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:39 pm

In post 1216, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Therefore I'm left with Trump.

no, youre right with trump

at least get the pollytical terminology correct
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Post Post #1234  (isolation #27)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:19 pm

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Post Post #1239  (isolation #28)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 1234, Davsto wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
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Post Post #1253  (isolation #29)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:36 pm

Quick tiny bit of research

Muslims currently make up approximately 0.9% of the U.S. adult population, or 1.8 million Muslim adults. If children are included, the Muslim population in the United States totals 2.75 million Muslims in the country, the majority of whom (63%) are immigrants.


Let's put this simply - if they were all terrorists, willing to do anything to further their cause, as you seem to be arguing

Don't you think there would have been a few more than... about 40 or 50 deaths from Islamic terrorists since 9/11 in the USA - that being over the last 14 and a bit years?
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Post Post #1259  (isolation #30)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:57 pm

Problem is, that "fear" is just that. A fear.

It is largely unfounded. There is an incredibly small risk of dying in a terrorist attack in general, and since many terrorist attacks aren't carried out by self-proclaimed Muslims, there is an even smaller chance of being killed by an Islamic terrorist.

That's the point. Their aim is to scare people - to get people to be terrified of these attacks. To create this kind of prejudice towards Muslims that you display, reducing peace and replacing it with fear. They want you to walk down a street, see a Muslim man carrying a bag and cross the road.
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Post Post #1260  (isolation #31)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:02 pm

In post 1258, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1253, Davsto wrote:Quick tiny bit of research

Muslims currently make up approximately 0.9% of the U.S. adult population, or 1.8 million Muslim adults. If children are included, the Muslim population in the United States totals 2.75 million Muslims in the country, the majority of whom (63%) are immigrants.


Let's put this simply - if they were all terrorists, willing to do anything to further their cause, as you seem to be arguing

Don't you think there would have been a few more than... about 40 or 50 deaths from Islamic terrorists since 9/11 in the USA - that being over the last 14 and a bit years?

Well you are ignoring the 30,000 just last year in the world, along side 1,300 total attacks. It will get here. Also I never said all Muslims were terrorists at all, but that doesn't change their scripture! A lot of Muslims see taqiya as a guide line for when they are truly threatened or fearing for their life or some other extreme circumstance. However a very large amount of Muslims take this to the extreme. They feel that the simple existence of any other religion means that theirs is under persecution. Imagine if you believed that everyone who wasn't a Muslim was persecuting you. Not by there actions or their words, but rather by the fact the they aren't Muslims, and you can do what ever you want to not feel persecuted with out risk of angering God. Seriously try to get into that mindset. Life becomes meaningless. Who care what you do here, as long as you do what ever in hopes of defying persecution.

But the point you're making is to do with immigration of Muslims, y'know? It's unfair to include statistics of countries where Islamic State is already occupying, carrying out war, where they have no security to prevent a terrorist attack from terrorists within the country. Take a quick look at the Wikipedia page with all Islamic Terrorist attacks - how many of these countries are Middle Eastern countries like Pakistan?

Very, very few attacks are carried out in Western countries, but the coverage they receive amplifies the perceived threat. We have high security, monitoring and catching these threats and it's only going to improve as time marches on.
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Post Post #1274  (isolation #32)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:13 pm

In post 1264, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Their goal is not to scare you. It is to kill you.

Disagree, entirely.

Think about the Paris attacks.

Now, they could easily have just gone into a small village on the other side of France where there isn't the kind of police coverage and, well, killed way more people than were killed in Paris. In Paris, being the capital, there is a lot more police, security, all the rest of it, than there is in a random small village. It's a lot harder to successfully carry off an attack and kill as many people.

Whereas, Paris is a big, high profile city. Landmarks aplenty. Target places where people feel comfortable to enjoy themselves - cafés, a concert, etc. Sure, they like a high body count, since it scares people. But it's for disruption of daily life as much as anywhere else.
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Post Post #1278  (isolation #33)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:15 pm

I just spent ages articulating a point when I could have just quoted a dictionary dammit

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Post Post #1280  (isolation #34)  » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:17 pm

Anyway, I think that I've said all I've had to say. I'm outta this thread. I hope my posts have made some sort of impression on somebody.
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Post Post #1397  (isolation #35)  » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:00 pm

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Post Post #1420  (isolation #36)  » Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:16 am

Ehh,

Right cause or not,

Strawmen are strawmen.
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Post Post #1519  (isolation #37)  » Wed May 04, 2016 1:49 pm

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Post Post #1524  (isolation #38)  » Wed May 04, 2016 3:27 pm

I'm fairly sure Psyche was either being sarcastic or pretentious for comedic effect.
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Post Post #1853  (isolation #39)  » Tue May 10, 2016 12:56 pm

Trump is literally a penis.
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Post Post #1870  (isolation #40)  » Tue May 10, 2016 3:28 pm

In post 1866, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1864, BROseidon wrote:Because nobody here has said anything along the lines of "Trump is terrible because he is (white/a man/straight/wealthy/etc)."

It's been "Trump is terrible because he's a racist, xenophobic, authoritarian piece of shit." Calling someone out for behavior or beliefs isn't hate speech.

So if I call someone out for being Muslim(beliefs) that isn't hate speech? Why is this a one way road?

Also hate speech is speech that contains hate.

By "beliefs" I don't think he meant religious beliefs.
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Post Post #1876  (isolation #41)  » Tue May 10, 2016 4:09 pm

According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim. According to this same report, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism in the United States than Islamic, yet when was the last time we heard about the threat of Jewish terrorism in the media? For the same exact reasons that we cannot blame the entire religion of Judaism or Christianity for the violent actions of those carrying out crimes under the names of these religions, we have absolutely no justifiable grounds to blame Muslims for terrorism.

There have been 140,000 terror attacks committed worldwide since 1970. Even if Muslims carried out all of these attacks (which is an absurd assumption given the fact mentioned in my first point), those terrorists would represent less than 0.00009 percent of all Muslims. To put things into perspective, this means that you are more likely to be struck by lightening in your lifetime than a Muslim is likely to commit a terrorist attack during that same timespan.
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Post Post #1880  (isolation #42)  » Tue May 10, 2016 4:53 pm

But many of those "terrorist" attacks included involve the violent conflicts - I'm talking literal war - that take place in Middle Eastern countries, perhaps more recent wars which didn't exist before. Of course there will be more casualties, especially in those situations. The importance here when it comes to supporting your immigration points are western countries - and from my knowledge, the terrorist attacks in those locations has only increased by a very minor amount. Also, while you've argued my first point, the second still stands.

Actually

Fuckit. It's pointless. There have been 75 pages and you haven't changed your mind, what can I do. You're never gonna change your views, who the fuck am I kidding, acting like facts will persuade you.

I hope you realise that you were wrong in the future. I hope that you change your ways. Goodbye.
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Post Post #1899  (isolation #43)  » Wed May 11, 2016 11:37 am

In post 1893, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
In post 1892, Dwlee99 wrote:Ehh not really? Tbf the wage gap isnt as ridiculous as it seems. I think (correct me if Im wrong) correcting for differences in hours worked and professions the wage gap lowers (I believe it is around 7 cents). When you think about it that adds up. But still there are still prejudices against women. (Yknow like saying.women should be punished for abortions)

first off that isn't in effect so that's not a legitimate point. for instance though. when my wife an I both worked for Wendy's and had our first kid, she got paid time off for 3 months and I got the "privilege" of being able to use my one week vacation with out notice

Right

But

That inequality is rooted within a prejudice towards women - because they are seen as not "supposed" to be workers and instead "meant" to be a mother with maternity leave and all. As a result, society is skewed towards them getting considerably more time off for children than the father.

That's the thing - everyone equates "feminism" to "making women equal or better than men in every respect", and many of the more extreme feminists do little to prove this wrong. But proper feminism is based around equality for both men and women by fighting against the prejudices towards either in society, regardless of who the prejudice is towards and who it actually affects.
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Post Post #1978  (isolation #44)  » Thu May 12, 2016 1:16 am

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I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
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Post Post #2014  (isolation #45)  » Thu May 12, 2016 4:34 pm

Love how the UK isn't on there because we moan about everything
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Post Post #2195  (isolation #46)  » Wed May 18, 2016 12:40 pm

Yeah people overuse the term "SJW" like hell. It's supposed to refer to the kind with almost comedically insane views that even people on the left wing think are ridiculous (the "kill all men" types), but people are using it refer to "anyone who is more leftwing than I".
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Post Post #2214  (isolation #47)  » Wed May 18, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 2204, BROseidon wrote:lol.

It's a real life redditeur!

Excuuuuse me I think you'll find I'm a redditor!

Honestly, reddit leads towards the left a lot - rather progressive often, and there is a large number of Bernie supporters. It's just that the nasty, racist sort of people who abuse the site's "mostly free speech" policy are funnier to laugh at and get more negative publicity - in the same way that it's the nasty, "kill all men" kinda people who get a lot of publicity on Tumblr despite being a small population and now they are associated as being a large part of the group.
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Post Post #2220  (isolation #48)  » Wed May 18, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 2217, BROseidon wrote:A "redditeur" is a redditor that does all that stupid shit.

Ah! Gotcha. It just seemed such a similar word my brain assumed it was just a mocking term for people who used reddit, sorry :P
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Post Post #2223  (isolation #49)  » Wed May 18, 2016 2:31 pm

According to EpicMafia, "people who actually play seriously"
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Post Post #2361  (isolation #50)  » Wed May 25, 2016 3:27 pm

I heard he was trying to stop the sale of cheese which comes shredded.
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Post Post #2363  (isolation #51)  » Wed May 25, 2016 3:30 pm

He wants to make America grate agai- fuck you
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Post Post #2368  (isolation #52)  » Wed May 25, 2016 3:38 pm

In post 2366, KuroiXHF wrote:Image

I- uh- just- wow

Well done

10/10
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Post Post #2371  (isolation #53)  » Wed May 25, 2016 4:25 pm

That pun is older than

well

older than Colin Mochrie
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Post Post #2373  (isolation #54)  » Wed May 25, 2016 4:28 pm

beautiful
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Post Post #2405  (isolation #55)  » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:43 am

Stalin was literally Hitler
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Post Post #2422  (isolation #56)  » Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:01 pm

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Post Post #2509  (isolation #57)  » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:57 pm

Unite the country by, uh, stigmatising immigrants (even legal ones), and people with different ethnicities or religions? Unite the country by insulting and slandering anyone who disagrees with him?
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Post Post #2510  (isolation #58)  » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:00 pm

(Unite a country where an absolute ton of people in the country think he's an absolutely bigoted nutter who would do an absolutely awful job at running a small country, nevermind one as big and complex as the US?)
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Post Post #2529  (isolation #59)  » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:23 pm

wow u got us well done tso you win award
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Post Post #2531  (isolation #60)  » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:27 pm

(just curious though, is there any solid quotes showing that the DNC e-mails actually prove anything? Not saying this in a "lol bet it's bullshit" way, it's just all I've seen is people linking the entire fucking wikileaks with the tens of thousands of e-mails going "look proof" without any quotes from them or links to specific ones which demonstrate the issue being pushed forwards)
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Post Post #2536  (isolation #61)  » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:31 pm

But hey let's watch the Trump advocates thrash her for it anyway :P

I mean, it's not like their candidate participates in borderline libel/slander towards basically every political opponent he's had...
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Post Post #2605  (isolation #62)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:29 pm

oh no not the middle class

they are the true victims here
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Post Post #2606  (isolation #63)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:31 pm

Also I'm not going to say your predictions are wrong but I've seen more believable predictions in astrology pages
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Post Post #2608  (isolation #64)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:32 pm

So the best way to stop the system being biased towards the powerful few

Is to put one of the powerful few in charge
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Post Post #2613  (isolation #65)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:40 pm

Yeah but there's a point where "fixing" the system will do more damage than keeping it in place

Electing, say, Bernie or a similar president would fix it in a safe way with little fallout

Electing Trump will cause a lot of damage and problems which far outweigh the initial issue (as well as negatively affecting other countries around the world)

There's a difference between slowly, carefully picking apart a flawed system and blowing it up and hoping what happens afterwards is good
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Post Post #2614  (isolation #66)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Basically don't cut off your face to spite your nose
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Post Post #2616  (isolation #67)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:44 pm

(Also I will not comment further because I'd rather avoid political discussion on here as I am not entirely masochistic)
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Post Post #2617  (isolation #68)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:44 pm

In post 2615, Majiffy wrote:
In post 2610, Majiffy wrote:
In post 2607, Albert B. Rampage wrote:When the system is completely broken, and I mean completely rigged and biased to favor the powerful few, people get angry and ask for a new system.

The DNC and GOP must both implode. That won't happen this year. Eventually.

GOP implodes if Trump loses. They ran both their ideologues against each other after running moderates was a complete failure. If Trump gets swept, the GOP falls apart.

Dems break up in about 4 years after Dems absorb moderate Conservatives and edge towards the center, the progressive left pushes out independently.

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Well someone's watched too much anime porn
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Post Post #2620  (isolation #69)  » Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:48 pm

In post 2618, Majiffy wrote:I'm guessing that's a tentacle joke?

If so, lol
If not, I don't get it.

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Post Post #2673  (isolation #70)  » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:54 pm

/mentally ill
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Post Post #2677  (isolation #71)  » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:21 pm

I don't think that's really Vlad there.

I think it's just someone putin on an act.
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Post Post #2809  (isolation #72)  » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:11 pm

In post 2807, T S O wrote:Here is an article by the Gatestone Institute explaining the migrant crime rate in Germany.

I did some number crunching and though this looks kinda scary when you look at this, in the context of other numbers it's... really not.

Okay, so the immigrant crime rate in and of itself is increasing. As the crime rate in Germany in general is rising, and since the numbers given are based on number of crimes performed by immigrants therefore obviously that number is going to rise as the immigrant population rises, maybe that data isn't as scary as it looks. Let's put the numbers in a format which provides more valid comparisons.

This article gives us the number of about 400,000 immigrant crimes in 2015, potentially more. While I can't find the total number of crimes in Germany, the various numbers I've seen hover around the 6 million mark. Let's be biased in the favour of your argument and increase the immigrant crimes to 500,000 and put the total at around 5.5 million crimes. That means that immigrants account for roundabout (500,000/5,500,000*100=) 9.09% of all crime in Germany.

German total population is about 81 million. Now, from the data I can find, the population of immigrants in German lies around the 10 million mark as of over a year ago. 10 million/81 million*100 = 12.3% of German populations are immigrants.

So, the percentage of Germans who are immigrants is larger than the percentage of crimes in German committed by immigrants.

Now, I get that these numbers are estimations and you could argue they're inaccurate, but in all honesty, they're more likely to be inaccurate in your argument's favour. I was generous to your bias when using crime rates, and the German immigrant population given is likely considerably lower than the real number since it seems to be not entirely up-to-date information and we all know that the immigrant population has increased a lot more recently.

I'm not going to argue this further, this will be my final word on the matter. This is more a point in general really - before looking at scary-looking numbers and worrying, analyse closer. Look at numbers in context of other numbers. Don't panic.
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Post Post #2836  (isolation #73)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:30 am

Most Trump supporters, as well as Donald himself

They seem to be super in denial about the whole thing, insisting that because they got a hashtag which they proposed trending and because they brigaded online polls about who won so that Trump "won" that obviously means it went well for Trump.

Just look at /r/the_donald. Or, even better for your sanity, don't.
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Post Post #2840  (isolation #74)  » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:19 pm

In post 2838, Wraith wrote:-snip-

Turning superfluity into an art form.

(As much as I agree with what you've said, repeating it just seems pointless at this point)
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Post Post #2855  (isolation #75)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:58 am

See, in Britain, I'm fairly sure most people think he's a raving lunatic. I haven't talked to a single person who thinks Trump isn't a nutter; even my fairly right-wing grandparents think he's an awful person who would make a terrible president.
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Post Post #2857  (isolation #76)  » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:08 am

He's not even the leader of the UKIP anymore, they have a new person. The fact that almost no-one seems to know this shows just how little anyone cares about UKIP anymore :P
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Post Post #2864  (isolation #77)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:34 am

In post 2861, T S O wrote:
In post 2857, Davsto wrote:The fact that almost no-one seems to know this shows just how little anyone cares about UKIP


I would say the result of the EU referendum shows that the people of the UK care far more about UKIP than whatever party you support, given that they voted the way UKIP suggested to.

Agreeing with something that UKIP agrees with =/= people supporting UKIP

I mean, Jeremy Corbyn doesn't really like the EU that much either, so I'll argue that the number of people voting out of the EU shows just how many people support Labour under Corbyn

Or maybe the entire point is bollocks
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Post Post #2865  (isolation #78)  » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:35 am

Also part of the Conservative party were pushing it too

Basically yeah that point is as stupid as it looks

Seriously, I'm British. Don't lecture me about what my country cares about, because I think I know better than you do!
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Post Post #2988  (isolation #79)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:21 am

as opposed to donald trump who only holds unpopular opinions among the right wing
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Post Post #3007  (isolation #80)  » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:21 pm

In post 3005, KuroiXHF wrote:Y'know, Trump's in no position to talk down to anyone over weight.

Trump's not Chris Christie, but he's certainly no Next Top Model, either.

Didn't he add an inch onto his height just so he wasn't labelled as medically obese
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Post Post #3023  (isolation #81)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:33 am

In post 3008, T S O wrote:Just about no-one supports Corbyn

Yeah... I mean, it's not like, I dunno, he just won a leadership election with around double the votes of the competitor...
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Post Post #3024  (isolation #82)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:42 am

In post 3009, T S O wrote:
In post 2865, Davsto wrote:I think I know better than you do!


Well, not really. You're on the far left, and Britain voting to Leave was undoubtedly an action promoted by the centre to far right, so it seems clear that what you think and what the average citizen thinks aren't remotely aligned.

I'm not saying this because I think UKIP is pointless. I'm saying this from observations.

Prior to the general election, UKIP and Farage received loads of media attention. Like, the levels that Trump is getting now - every single slightly controversial thing he said made the news. Mock the Week and The Last Leg and any sort of show which made jokes out of the news would make jokes about him weekly.

Then the votes happened. UKIP received around 11% of the countries votes. Only one UKIP party member was elected into parliament, and it wasn't even Nigel Farage. UKIP slowly fell out of the media. He rarely appeared in the news.

Sure, the EU referendum gave Farage a bit of limelight, but generally he was seen in the context of Farage on his own, rather than "Farage the leader of UKIP". Then he lost all his popularity again when the main thing he sold the leave campaign on ("£350 million to the NHS") was revealed to be lies the very next morning.

When the new UKIP leader replaced Farage, basically no one cared. It didn't appear on Mock the Week or similar programs, any reactions to it I saw were along the "who cares" lines, it didn't even headline the BBC front page.

Basically, no one gives a flying fuck about UKIP any more. Nigel Farage alone? Sure, maybe. But not UKIP.
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Post Post #3025  (isolation #83)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:46 am

Also, the EU referendum was a thing where each side had surprisingly little affiliation with the left or right wing. The leader of the stay campaign was the leader of the conservative party, for example.
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Post Post #3027  (isolation #84)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:18 am

(Also, for the record, I'm not arguing that the UK isn't more right-wing than it is left, because it totally is. But it's Tory right - centre-right - not UKIP far-right).
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Post Post #3061  (isolation #85)  » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:57 pm

In post 3060, zoraster wrote:it's hard to believe Donald Trump is a real person

i stopped believing it a while ago

he's like like the moon landings, i'm pretty sure he was staged by stanley kubrick
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Post Post #3096  (isolation #86)  » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:09 am

And you, of course, have truly shown yourself to be so much better than them.
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Post Post #3251  (isolation #87)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:05 pm

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Post Post #3255  (isolation #88)  » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:23 pm

oy im 16
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Post Post #3292  (isolation #89)  » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:07 pm

In post 3291, GreyICE wrote:I want to see videos of Trump playing football. I really do. Just put him on the offensive line, lets see what happens.

trump has already provided plenty of offensive lines
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Post Post #3368  (isolation #90)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:44 am

In post 3357, AxleGreaser wrote: JFK went to the moon

I knew it! Damn conspiracies.
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Post Post #3382  (isolation #91)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:47 am

In post 3381, Shiro wrote:fix relationships

That's a very polite way of saying "letting Putin influence America"
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Post Post #3388  (isolation #92)  » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:17 am

In post 3385, Shiro wrote:
In post 3382, Davsto wrote:
In post 3381, Shiro wrote:fix relationships

That's a very polite way of saying "letting Putin influence America"


Not really, no. It means, not entering a new cold war, amids the threat of ISIS.

I mean it's pretty clear that Putin has a strong motive to want Trump as president. And, knowing Putin, it's not going to be so he can "fix relationships with America".

You honestly think Hillary wants to exacerbate tension with Russia? You honestly believe that she'd lead the US into a war with Russia? The difference between Hillary and Trump is that Hillary thinks through her positions, and she knows that a war with Russia is a war that neither of the countries will win, and she will avoid that.

On the other hand, Trump is an irrational man, who could wake up one day with an entirely different plan to the day before. If you ask me, he's the one with a real risk of war.
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Post Post #3516  (isolation #93)  » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:58 am

In post 3502, kuribo wrote:I'm going to tell you guys a personal story. About this time four years ago, my marriage was in the shitter. My wife was in love with another man, and we lived in the same house in separate bedrooms. I was working a ton of hours, every waking moment was a miserable nightmare of arguing with a cheating drunk. To this day, the smell of rum reminds me of her hateful venom as it spewed from her breath. In my darkest moments, I came very close to taking my own life. I had nothing to live for: I'd spent six years being a loving husband and it wasn't good enough. Sacrificing my own happiness and dreams for someone that repayed it with violence and abuse. At one point, I had written my goodbye to the world. I laid out how much I hated her for tearing our family apart, how I blamed myself and how everyone would be happier were I gone. I stood there that night seconds from taking the final step when my phone rang. Of course, it turned out to be her calling to tell me what a failure I was in life but at that moment I decided not to give her the satisfaction of getting free of our marriage without a divorce.

But you know what?


If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time and tell 2012 me "Do it, pussy," because at least then I wouldn't have to see this godawful thread in my egoposts.

Can I nominate this for a Crummies "best post"
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Post Post #3585  (isolation #94)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:30 am

as opposed to trump who is truthful, isn't interested in money, treats people great, would never abuse power and doesn't want a war.

Issue is, anything bad with Hillary, Trump is worse. Much worse.
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Post Post #3592  (isolation #95)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:02 am

Bernie Sanders not being a viable candidate has nothing to do with the public vote

He wasn't a viable candidate because his ideas and goals were too progressive and as such not a single one of them would get passed through Congress and all that American political process stuff.

Voting for a third party candidate will have no effect on that.
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Post Post #3596  (isolation #96)  » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:06 am

Hillary adopts the majority of the ideals, sure, but to a more realistic extent. Hillary's goals are the stepping stones towards the full ideals that Bernie wanted.

Also Bernie wasn't even third party so what are you on about?
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Post Post #3873  (isolation #97)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:44 am

excuse me but of course you should have a right to bear arms

I mean, you're allowed to hang bear heads up on your walls as sort of a prize after shooting it, why should bear arms be any different? You Americans are weird.

In all honesty, it seems like an oddly trivial thing to have in the Constitution in the first place.
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Post Post #3877  (isolation #98)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:48 am

In post 3876, Shiro wrote:
In post 3873, Davsto wrote:In all honesty, it seems like an oddly trivial thing to have in the Constitution in the first place.


It was to make certain the people could bring down the government if it ever became corrupt.

Something tells me you didn't read my whole post.
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Post Post #3927  (isolation #99)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:04 pm

shotty through the heart

and you're to blame
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Post Post #3938  (isolation #100)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:44 pm

In post 3937, kuribo wrote:the facebook group

wait what
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Post Post #3940  (isolation #101)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:46 pm

I mean I ain't gonna join because privacy but it's funny to see shotty so yeah
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Post Post #3946  (isolation #102)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:13 pm

He was going to buy the site and then ban all his enemies
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Post Post #3950  (isolation #103)  » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:19 pm

In post 3949, Glork wrote:I posted with my butt once.

I just knew you were a shotty alt
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Post Post #3992  (isolation #104)  » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:55 am

In post 21816, SleepyKrew wrote:Finally got around to watching Trump's part of the Al Smith dinner. He has funny jokes but his delivery is actually awful :(

edit: oh it became personal attacks instead of jokes

Yeah, there were a couple of funny lines but overall it wasn't as good.
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Post Post #4001  (isolation #105)  » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:42 pm

I mean

As much as I hate Trump

That's just immature
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Post Post #4020  (isolation #106)  » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:24 pm

I mean there are lots of people who are pro-Hillary/anti-Trump

Of course some are going to be assholes, regardless of their political views

It's hardly representative of the group as a whole, and to point at that minority of assholes which are present in literally any demographic and go "well that proves Hillary supports are problematic" is unfair (and bad statistical analysis).
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Post Post #4045  (isolation #107)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:51 am

In post 4035, kuribo wrote:Herbert Hoover sent the army to crush the Bonus Army. (World War I veterans who hadn't been paid their combat bonuses. They camped out in DC in front of the White House until Wilson had them crushed.

That isn't exactly how it panned out - he ordered his army General to disperse them peacefully, however the general was a jerk and as such sent soldiers to use tear gas and the like.

The issue comes when Hoover, when making a public statement about it, rather than admitting error, basically said "isn't it great that our soldiers are able to protect us".
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Post Post #4102  (isolation #108)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:53 am

In post 4101, Accountant wrote:I am the person who defines morality itself.

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Post Post #4120  (isolation #109)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:02 pm

In post 4117, Accountant wrote:
In post 4109, Sudo_Nym wrote:Other than claiming that you and your opinions are infallible, sure.

I mean

They kind of are

So it's not like I'm exaggerating my worth here

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Post Post #4151  (isolation #110)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:29 pm

accountant will you marry me
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Post Post #4152  (isolation #111)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:29 pm

wait you said stop engaging nvm
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Post Post #4160  (isolation #112)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:36 pm

In post 4155, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 4152, Davsto wrote:wait you said stop engaging nvm
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Post Post #4165  (isolation #113)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:51 pm

You won't be able to watch it over and over for much longer to be fair so get that glory now
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Post Post #4172  (isolation #114)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:08 pm

don't worry kuribo your opinion here is objectively wrong

(/s please don't hurt me)
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Post Post #4175  (isolation #115)  » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:44 pm

Also it's worth mentioning that a large proportion of inequalities men face are a direct result of societal views about women's "roles" - men are less likely to get custody in divorce as mothers "traditionally" raise the children, woman-on-man domestic abuse isn't taken seriously because men are traditionally stronger and more assertive than women, etc.
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Post Post #4283  (isolation #116)  » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:22 pm

Because a subreddit named "HillaryForPrison" is bound to be the best source of unbiased information
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Post Post #4451  (isolation #117)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 4448, karnos wrote:
In post 4446, AxleGreaser wrote:You have an election to vote for:

You can choose an abuser of power, who lies (regularly), directly promotes hate, fear, violence, and division, makes judgments of people by ethnic origin, beauty(out of 10), ... ewww stopping now

or an actual politician
with policies. Most of them that I have checked out pretty good. Certainly not world ending.


Okay, so the choice is between Hillary or some mystery politician with good policies? Who is the mystery politician, are you talking about libertarian party guy or something?

Ahh, the old mafiascum Hillary-a-roo!
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Post Post #4484  (isolation #118)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:45 pm

spirit cook more like spirit cuck amirite
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Post Post #4515  (isolation #119)  » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:48 pm

In post 4509, theplague42 wrote:George Soros and the globalists

Good name for a band
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Post Post #4667  (isolation #120)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:56 am

In post 4666, Psyche wrote:Politicians keep most of their promises.

Could've fooled me.
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Post Post #4669  (isolation #121)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:25 am

wow thanks
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Post Post #4672  (isolation #122)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:35 am

The average percentage of promises kept is 67%.

Okay, technically that does fit a definition of "most". I won't fault you there, if your definition of "most" is "more promises kept than not kept".

But for me, I'd define "most" in that situation to be more along the lines of "all promises besides very few kept", and to put a percentage on that I'd go around 85% for my lower bound, and as you can see not a single time period even meets that lower bound.

Argue as much as you want, but for me, if the average politician fails to keep one third of their promises, that is quite high a percentage to fail.
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Post Post #4674  (isolation #123)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:50 am

I agree!

That doesn't change that "most promises are kept" is a rather misleading statement though.
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Post Post #4716  (isolation #124)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:30 pm

This is my favourite thing to ever come out of this thread
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Post Post #4717  (isolation #125)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 4706, Wake88 wrote:
In post 4702, Albert B. Rampage wrote:KK you're showing how much of a bumbling dumbass you are with every post. You literally are not informed enough to be so confident about your opinions, it's terrifying. You have no contextual understanding at all.


So basically you're worthless in this discussion, because you literally have nothing to offer besides shit.

Instead of insulting me try to at least bring something to the table like others here on your side have.

You're no better than some troll who supports Trump but oes nothing but personally attack people.

You've done nothing, Albert. Nothing. Instead of bluster how about you bring up an idea, an argument, an event, an excerpt, something? Put forth an argument instead of being an unflushed turd, for lack of a better phrase.

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Post Post #4724  (isolation #126)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:40 pm

In post 4721, Wake88 wrote:Frankly I think it'd be more productive to speak alone with chambers, because in spite of our differing views he at least shows me he's an adult and is willing to back up what he believes in, which does a hell of a lot more than what davsto, reckoner, randomidget, and albert are doing in these last few pages. KK I could see having a better discussion with than those four, too.

I'm 16 don't compare me to an adult goshhhh
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Post Post #4726  (isolation #127)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:47 pm

Also ftr, I did start by making actual conversational contributions!

Then I realised people like ABR are never going to change their ways and views and are only going to frustrate me so I decided it might be more fun to sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments

And what do you know I was right, it is more fun
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Post Post #4743  (isolation #128)  » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 4739, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 4714, Wake88 wrote:
In post 4710, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wake take your autistic medication holy shit


And if you call yourself a liberal you're not a very good one, considering your use of autism as an apparent insult.

Though I disagree with chamber and have a very different worldview I can see he is way above and better to discourse with than you and a few others here in political matters.

nobody say anything

There's already an account called "nobody" grrrrrr
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Post Post #4819  (isolation #129)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:01 pm

Hi fearmongering.

I'm Davsto.
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Post Post #4821  (isolation #130)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:34 pm

the boy who cried apocalypse
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Post Post #4838  (isolation #131)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:55 pm

wow you guys sound like

a blast
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Post Post #4841  (isolation #132)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:30 pm

Wow, I didn't realise Donald Trump was so good at sarcasm.
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Post Post #4852  (isolation #133)  » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:00 pm

In post 4845, GreyICE wrote:It's certainly a grave issue, and even if Trump is looking a bit dire that's no reason to make an assassination joke. Although some people around here are a bit stiff when it comes to jokes.

So you think you're a hot shot
I don't think you fully grasp the scope of the situation
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Post Post #5306  (isolation #134)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:17 pm

[The inevitable "you are a troll" comment]
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Post Post #5328  (isolation #135)  » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:05 pm

In post 5326, zoraster wrote:Something tells me you didn't even vote.

He votes third party

Basically same thing
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Post Post #5676  (isolation #136)  » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:13 am

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Post Post #5834  (isolation #137)  » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:27 am

oh hey look shotty is back
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Post Post #5861  (isolation #138)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:39 am

especially those of professionals

i mean they get paid for those statistics, how can you trust that!!!
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Post Post #5865  (isolation #139)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:52 am

In post 5863, Shiro wrote:Btw to Pscyhe and Davsto

Statistics gave Trump 1% chance to win the election. Statistics said Brexit isn't happening, Statistics said there is absolutly no way Greece would choose to vote no on the eu support(sure it was ignored and tsipras went and signed anyway as I predicted but that has nothing to do with what the statistics said).

First of all, pretty sure the lowest number I saw a half-decent source give Trump was 40%, so that's hardly awful. Polls for Brexit were borderline to the extent of frequently flip-flopping either way. Dunno about the Greece thing. So these are pretty naff examples, not that it really matters because even if they were correct it wouldn't affect the following.

Second of all, different types of statistics.

Those statistics that are "wrong" that you quoted are predictive, and are inherently fairly likely to be wrong because the future can't be perfectly predicted by looking at numbers. It can be assumed with a very mediocre degree of accuracy. They are little more than probability, and even a 1% chance is never impossible.

These are *not* the same type of statistics that are being discussed in the thread - the ones being discussed, as far as I can tell, are statistics of what is currently happening. Much different. I don't really know how to explain, if only because it's one of those differences that I feel everyone should understand. There's a difference between "probability statistics" and "statistics of what has happened/currently is happening".

It's the difference between the statistic of how likely a coin is to flip heads, and the statistic of how many coins have flipped heads in the last 50 flips. The former can be 50% and the latter can be 49/50 times, yet both statistics can still be right.
It's the difference between the statistic of how likely it is for a candidate to win an election and how many votes that candidate actually gets.
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Post Post #5879  (isolation #140)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:13 pm

> Davsto
> Fringe left

lolwut

I'm centre-left at furthest, and your insistence on putting anyone who even slightly dares to disagree with you into a category of "people who are wrong and I don't care about" is immature and ridiculous.

Wait, what am I saying? That's exactly what I've come to expect from you at this point.
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Post Post #5880  (isolation #141)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:15 pm

I mean if arguing a basic statistics thing, supporting the Remain campaign and preferring Clinton over Donald is "fringe left", then sure, I suppose I am

But like... the first of those points is pretty political non-indicative thing, and the latter two are agreed to by just under 50% of the voters in those cases so that's hardly "fringe".
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Post Post #5889  (isolation #142)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:53 pm

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Post Post #5895  (isolation #143)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:07 pm

Trump's position on gay marriage is indifferent, but in a bad way - he's not gonna make it illegal country-wide, but he's said he'll let states make their own minds up, which is fair enough for those in states with generally Democratic governments, but Republican-governed states will probably have gay marriage being illegal a short period into his term, presuming his stance stays the same (although considering he's gone from "Obamacare is a disaster" to "The pillars of Obamacare are good" (with him believing that the system is still flawed as a whole and needs to be reformed being implied), something which I actually agree with, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up keeping it legal USA-wide).

Although, on the other hand... yeah, Pence.
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Post Post #5901  (isolation #144)  » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:26 pm

In post 5896, chamber wrote:
In post 5895, Davsto wrote:with him believing that the system is still flawed as a whole and needs to be reformed being implied


To be fair, this is true.

In post 5895, Davsto wrote:something which I actually agree with
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Post Post #5933  (isolation #145)  » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:02 am

In post 5930, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Probably the best opinion video I have watched regarding the election/results so far:


can we have a drinking game for this video being linked
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Post Post #6068  (isolation #146)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:08 pm

In post 6066, Psyche wrote:getting

:neutral:
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Post Post #6201  (isolation #147)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:54 pm

In post 6200, Sudo_Nym wrote:
In post 6199, pisskop wrote:okay. Ill humour you.

if a promise is an appeal to the future actions of somebody, and the premise of democracy is that leaders will attempt to make the people happier/healthier, then somebody [[promise], [help the people]] better than another group should be clear.


So what did you think I said again?


I'm attempting to parse this, and I'm coming up blank.

Implying that pisskop has any more idea of what he's saying than you do
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Post Post #6214  (isolation #148)  » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:22 pm

In post 6206, pisskop wrote:
In post 6201, Davsto wrote:Implying that pisskop has any more idea of what he's saying than you do

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Im glad you decided that was a post worth putting your name next to.

pisskop, you know you're my favourite, a term which admittedly I use here with the fewest positive connotations possible
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Post Post #6264  (isolation #149)  » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:20 am

In post 6258, karnos wrote:against the wishes of the doners

Those poor kebabs
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Post Post #6606  (isolation #150)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:19 am

Why fight the fight against global warming

If it's wrong, we've still replaced our fossil fuel power sources with largely renewable sources, greatly reducing costs, and since fossil fuels are a dwindling resource then they are being freed up for uses where there are fewer alternatives (particularly plastics).
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Post Post #6611  (isolation #151)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:41 am

In post 6610, karnos wrote:
In post 6606, Davsto wrote:Why fight the fight against global warming

If it's wrong, we've still replaced our fossil fuel power sources with largely renewable sources, greatly reducing costs, and since fossil fuels are a dwindling resource then they are being freed up for uses where there are fewer alternatives (particularly plastics).


Because it's not a simple binary question.

Lobbyist demand millions to study global warming, or millions in grants to develop solar power, or build efficient infrastructure, or whatever.

Some might well be legit requests for things that will actually viable help, but others are scams or just poorly thought-out ideas that will never pan out. You can't just blindly support it all "because global warming is real". And studies to see whether or not a particular idea will pan out also cost money. And of course the people doing the study often say "well, looks like things are pretty grim, BUT if you can fund us with another 3 million we can re-run the calculations with our more accurate modern assumptions and see..." - the requests for more money never end.

Did you know AL Gore was worth 2 million when he failed to win the Presidency, but now he is worth over $200 million? All from talking about how we are doomed, making movies about how we are doomed, starting a news company to share how we are doomed. It's big business. I'd love to think he is doing it all out of the goodness of his heart, but when he is taking home that kind of money for it and he has gotten so much crap wrong, maybe he is just doing what he does because he found it to be a great way to make easy money.

Yeah yeah, I hear your strawman loud and clear

I'm not saying "global warming is real therefore you should put all the money towards global warming with no attention paid to whether or not it's a scam", that isn't close to what I've said, and painting my argument as that is just silly.

Fair steps should be put towards climate change - making renewable energy more accessible, making steps towards replacing fossil fuel power stations with tidal and geothermal and wind and solar power. Even if climate change is wrong, these are steps which are generally good for the whole of humanity. Of course they shouldn't literally fund every single climate change-related thing with no attention paid just because it's climate change because that would be stupid, and I don't think a single person in this thread has suggested such a thing.
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Post Post #6630  (isolation #152)  » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:29 pm

In post 6616, karnos wrote:
In post 6611, Davsto wrote:Yeah yeah, I hear your strawman loud and clear

I'm not saying "global warming is real therefore you should put all the money towards global warming with no attention paid to whether or not it's a scam", that isn't close to what I've said, and painting my argument as that is just silly.

Fair steps should be put towards climate change - making renewable energy more accessible, making steps towards replacing fossil fuel power stations with tidal and geothermal and wind and solar power. Even if climate change is wrong, these are steps which are generally good for the whole of humanity. Of course they shouldn't literally fund every single climate change-related thing with no attention paid just because it's climate change because that would be stupid, and I don't think a single person in this thread has suggested such a thing.


But you can do all that without government. I can buy solar panels, put them on my house. I can buy a Tesla instead of a Ford.

Ultimately, when people cry to the government about global warming, it's because they just want money.

Ahh yes

Me buying solar panels myself is the perfect way to stop fossil fuel power station companies from building and running fossil fuel power stations

Not the government making deals to shut down those power stations and replace them with renewable sources
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Post Post #6666  (isolation #153)  » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:59 am

I mean saying it like that makes it sound huge

All he edited was all the many posts saying "fuck u/spez" or calling him a pedo or whatever that he was sick of, and replaced u/spez with r/the_donald mods

It was immature (albeit kinda funny), but I think people would notice if the content of their own comment has changed so he likely hasn't done it before for reasons other than jokes, and almost certainly won't again now we know he can do it.
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Post Post #6740  (isolation #154)  » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:23 am

the end justifies the memes
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Post Post #6996  (isolation #155)  » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:35 pm

~~edge~~
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Post Post #7002  (isolation #156)  » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:21 pm

In post 7000, Vijarada wrote:Donald Trump: Not agender

Not yet

It's part of the agender agenda
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Post Post #7164  (isolation #157)  » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:09 am

In post 7162, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 7161, Political Clout wrote:
In post 7154, theplague42 wrote:Your ignorance is astounding. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the American left, and who has fought to achieve civil rights and social justice for years.


Yes how I was raised and what I learned instilled in my a different perspective on what is the left. Shame on me. Standard left tactic think as I think or you are ignorant and stupid.

Well considering that most people with a college degree and any sort of understanding of how the government actually works are democrats, it's a just correlation
....was this actually just said?
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Post Post #7436  (isolation #158)  » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:50 pm

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Post Post #7514  (isolation #159)  » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 7513, karnos wrote:What negative information has ever actually been proven?

It's hard to take anything negative seriously when every bit of negative information has been proven false thus far.

Yeah, I agree, the attacks on Clinton did lack truth.
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Post Post #7746  (isolation #160)  » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:50 pm

Hey who wants me to make a "discussion with Accountant" bingo card so that there's at least some joy when it occurs
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Post Post #8025  (isolation #161)  » Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 8023, karnos wrote:Image

Kind of funny now.

But this is yet another example of the double standard.

Could you imagine what the media would be saying if Trump said he doesn't need black men?

Now can we see the text of the article before assuming from the sensationalist headline
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Post Post #8065  (isolation #162)  » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:21 pm

In post 8064, Fluminator wrote:Are there cases where a more qualified white person lost a job to a less qualified non white person?
Or vice versa?
(In b4 the usual people come in yelling at me to do my own research. Don't have much time for that though)

It probably happened once therefore obviously the whole idea is awful in every way
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Post Post #8066  (isolation #163)  » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:22 pm

Do I have to /s that? At this point I think enough people know my stance for it to not be mistaken for serious, but I still feel scared.
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Post Post #8119  (isolation #164)  » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:09 pm

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Post Post #8239  (isolation #165)  » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:18 pm

In post 8238, Kublai Khan wrote:Oh hey. Accountant and karnos are arguing. This will be productive since both are so adept at changing their viewpoints to accommodate new information.
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Post Post #8256  (isolation #166)  » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:40 am

Wait why are they boycotting the wars of the stars?
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Post Post #8257  (isolation #167)  » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:41 am

In post 8255, Aeronaut wrote:oh my gosh my cousin is on Facebook so proud of himself for BUYING STAR WARS TICKETS AND THEN TEARING THEM UP with a MAGA caption

Spoiler:

I think he misses the purpose of boycotting, no? The whole point is to, you know, stop them getting the money.
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Post Post #8387  (isolation #168)  » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:53 pm

In post 8384, GreyICE wrote:Today I learned that when I call oil hydrophobic Persevul gets angry because oil is an inanimate object that can't be scared of water. All this words having multiple meanings crap is hard.

I also learned Karnos has no comprehension of basic science, but I knew that already.

And don't even get me started on those perverted hydrophilic phosphate ions!
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Post Post #8407  (isolation #169)  » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:30 pm

All atheists are left wing and all religious people are right wing obviously
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Post Post #8409  (isolation #170)  » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:43 pm

Man remember when game theory was funny and had actual really mathsy theories and calculations to find silly things like how effective the diamond armour in minecraft is or how much the hookshot would rip your arm out of its socket

Now it's all just mediocre, often "creepy", fan theories about plots of games and FNAF stuff and while that's all fine and good I miss the really silly mathsy and sciencey overanalysing of the Game Theorists as I remember it.
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Post Post #8414  (isolation #171)  » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 8412, pisskop wrote:really depends on the fanbase, the game, and if youre at a site dedicated to the game or not.

For instance, theres quite a bit of 'game theory', I guess, for things like Dwarf Fortress, Holy Cow, would you like to know how bruises and burns are calculated, and how well that relates to real-life?


Maybe its because I play games that focus more on content, or cater to more 'mathsy' people?

Game Theory is a YouTube channel, we were talking about that specifically rather than game theory in general

Sorry for lacking the clarity there
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Post Post #8464  (isolation #172)  » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 8463, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 8461, karnos wrote:
Trump meets with Putin: OMG, look Trump obviously loves Putin & Russia and Russia is hacking the election to give Trump a win!

Trump meets with Kanye: Doesn't mean nothing. Trump is still racist.


Did I say that? [Bold]

dont you know that an argument used by a single liberal is obviously the exact same as what every single one of them thinks
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Post Post #8469  (isolation #173)  » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:24 pm

Although it looks like emission spectra are involved which is great because I love emission spectra for no reason
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Post Post #8482  (isolation #174)  » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:28 pm

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Post Post #8675  (isolation #175)  » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:41 am

Don't think so, back when they did stuff like that it was largely physics and mathematically showing things, such as what effects the hookshot from OoT would have on a human body (probably their last video like this, so it was released well into them outputting lots of fan theories), how the moon from Majora's Mask would rip apart Termina through gravity well before hitting it, potential ways that Columbia in Bioshock Infinite could float. Stuff like that.

But now it's all fan theories about hidden meanings or whatever and while that's not objectively bad, it's not very unique, whereas what the channel used to be was.
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Post Post #8782  (isolation #176)  » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:33 am

In post 8767, Accountant wrote:Um... isn't that like very racist and false

Something racist and false from karnos? Never!
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Post Post #8829  (isolation #177)  » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:54 am

My favourite part is how Trump supports are like "deal with it he won" despite spending the last eight years constantly whining about Obama and how they would definitely have kicked up a bigger fuss had Hillary won.
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Post Post #9031  (isolation #178)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:18 pm

In post 9011, karnos wrote:I was taught not to feed the trolls.

Hey guys I know he's disagreeable but in this case I think we should all 100% agree with karnos, albeit probably not in the way he intended
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Post Post #9055  (isolation #179)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:19 pm

In post 9033, pisskop wrote:we need to count our beans, Mexican or not

This made me giggle
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Post Post #9083  (isolation #180)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:22 pm

In post 9079, Annadog40 wrote:What would happen then if a child was had with an illegal immigrant and a citizen.

Well then it's half and half, so you flip a coin and if it's heads they stay, tails they go.
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Post Post #9097  (isolation #181)  » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:52 am

In post 9095, Narna wrote:It's going to be a historic moment.

So was Hiroshima, but I'm not being convinced to watch ground footage of that.
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Post Post #9108  (isolation #182)  » Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:39 pm

Yeah, and you could use it instead of wanking yourself off in this thread too!
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Post Post #9549  (isolation #183)  » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:14 pm

In post 9530, pisskop wrote:white privilege is a made up term that is persued by pseudoscientific rejects in order to propogate their own power at the expense of others.

But no, buzzwords are terrible.
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Post Post #9580  (isolation #184)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:39 am

In post 9578, Accountant wrote:
In post 9573, pisskop wrote:I asked why it matters more than actual life threatening issues present within our own country.
I asked why your pedantic studies mattered more than actual disparity of opportunity via income.

why not both
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Post Post #9645  (isolation #185)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:32 pm

In post 9644, Psyche wrote:http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 // Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination

you dont need this many links

when youve read one youve read jamal

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Post Post #9649  (isolation #186)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:14 pm

I think zefiend has assumed what others' opinions are without actually reading them himself because if he did read them he'd find that they're pretty much in agreement with him
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Post Post #9675  (isolation #187)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:41 am

In post 9674, Fluminator wrote:Maybe the secret is everyone needs to apply with anonymous names and do Skype interviews with face swap so the manager can never play favorites.

Voices?
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Post Post #9689  (isolation #188)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:53 pm

If you had 1000 Eminems and an infinite number of typewriters, would they ever be able to produce a song better than Stan?
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Post Post #9779  (isolation #189)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:47 am

In post 9756, karnos wrote:


I bet those stats include suicides for gun deaths, but not for car deaths. Rather biased if you ask me.

Someone wants to end it and they don't have a gun, they will find another way. Suicide by gun is just the easiest method for many.

But that's the exact point. Suicide, in many (not all, but many) cases is a very spur-of-the-moment thing. It's often decided minutes before they do it, and taking away an easy means of suicide gives them more time to think about it and makes them more likely to stop - however because America has all the guns (a quick and reliable method of suicide), they have a much higher suicide rate than other countries.

And this isn't theorising, it's been shown by example that making a method of suicide more effort makes it occur considerably less - in the UK, paracetamol (one of our main non-prescription painkillers) used to be sold in bottles, but are now sold in blister packs where you need to pop out each individual pill - this change alone reduced suicide by paracetamol overdose by a large amount (http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/02February/ ... eaths.aspx)
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Post Post #9842  (isolation #190)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:55 pm

In post 9787, karnos wrote:
In post 9779, Davsto wrote:
In post 9756, karnos wrote:


I bet those stats include suicides for gun deaths, but not for car deaths. Rather biased if you ask me.

Someone wants to end it and they don't have a gun, they will find another way. Suicide by gun is just the easiest method for many.

But that's the exact point. Suicide, in many (not all, but many) cases is a very spur-of-the-moment thing. It's often decided minutes before they do it, and taking away an easy means of suicide gives them more time to think about it and makes them more likely to stop - however because America has all the guns (a quick and reliable method of suicide), they have a much higher suicide rate than other countries.

And this isn't theorising, it's been shown by example that making a method of suicide more effort makes it occur considerably less - in the UK, paracetamol (one of our main non-prescription painkillers) used to be sold in bottles, but are now sold in blister packs where you need to pop out each individual pill - this change alone reduced suicide by paracetamol overdose by a large amount (http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/02February/ ... eaths.aspx)



It boggles my mind that the same group of people that so strongly supports spur of the moment abortion decisions can demonize supposed spur of the moment suicide decisions.

Liberals I mean, I have no idea of your personal view. Maybe you are pro-life, I can't assume you are being a hypocrite without knowing.
First of all - spur of the moment abortion decisions don't happen because we have a process. I mean, even ignoring the whole societal pressure from the mother and family and partners to really think hard before making the decision, they have to drive a while to the clinic (unless you happen to live next door to one), then there's a lot of medical stuff to sign before it happens. Plenty of time to change their mind. Spur of the moment abortion decisions simply do not occur often at all. I could go on and on about how ridiculous a concept it even is. Not to mention, no mother really wants an abortion. It's not a pleasant process both in terms of the medical procedure itself and the often negative opinions of those around them. They do it because they've considered every option and this is the least objectionable choice.

Compare that to spur of the moment suicide by gun - find gun in house, shoot self. Potentially less than 5 minutes. The people who do it want to (well want to stop living rather than actually die), and it's over fairly quickly.

My personal opinion of abortion is irrelevant, although I can't wait for you to find an excuse to bring it into the conversation anyway since that's your style.
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Post Post #9852  (isolation #191)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 9849, karnos wrote:I got something resembling a real response from you instead of your typical trolling, i'm shocked.

ell oh ell
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Post Post #9923  (isolation #192)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:26 am

In post 9874, karnos wrote:I just think it's very hypocritical to tell others they can't kill themselves while turning around and saying oh but if you want to kill your baby that is cool.

We want neither of these things to happen. The pro-choice lobby just believe that someone who wants or needs an abortion should have the choice to, but we still want to reduce them from happening - but we want to tackle them at the source by preventing the unwanted pregnancies in the first place, such as by providing proper sex ed to teens and providing better access to contraceptives. In the same way, we want to reduce the number of suicides by providing better mental health care and making suicide harder to commit on a whim.

Now where is the hypocrisy in trying to reduce both? Sure, we're advocating different means, but they are different situations and thus should be handled differently. There's a difference between a depressed person ending their life and a mother preventing their baby's birth.

You've ignored the big picture of what is being and taken the tiniest little nitpick and used that to prove that we're all hypocrites, as usual.
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Post Post #10189  (isolation #193)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:58 am

In post 10188, karnos wrote:Do you have another explanation as to why a minority individual would be unable to obtain an ID?

1. Black people are more likely to be impoverished than white people
2. Black people are more likely to live in densely-populated urban areas (due to a myriad of historical and racist factors)
3. Impoverished people are less likely to own an automobile than non-impoverished people, due to a combination of inability to purchase (due to impoverishment and/or racist/predatory loaning practices) and lack of need due to living in dense urban areas
4. Impoverished people are less likely to have completed their education
5. Impoverished people are more likely to have received a sub-standard education
6. Impoverished people are more likely to work a low-paying hourly job(s)

THEREFORE

7. Black people are less likely to have or need a Driver's License, which is the most common form of photo identification (coincidentally, proposals to institute a mandatory national ID card program are frequently criticized by those with anti-government views as "Orwellian"). This is because they do not need cars because they live in urban areas and can walk or bike to work, and/or because they cannot afford a vehicle because of their low income. Additionally, applying for, testing for, and receiving a Driver's requires two things - a rudimentary education, and a considerable time investment. Black people are less likely to have either of these things - the former due to poorly-funded inner city school systems (Starve the Beast!) and self-defeating education legislation (No Child Left Behind); the latter due to being forced to work considerable hours at a low-paying job or jobs in order to make ends meet.

SO

1. Black people are less likely to have a Driver's License, the most common form of photo identification
2. "Voter ID" laws require possession of a form of photo identification

THEREFORE

3. Black people are more likely to be targeted and affected by "Voter ID" laws

SO

1. Black people are more likely to be affected by "Voter ID" laws
2. "Voter ID" laws are more likely to be instituted in traditionally conservative states in the American South
3. "Voter ID" laws are more likely to be instituted by state-level Republican lawmakers

THEREFORE

4. Black people are more likely to be targeted by Republican lawmakers in traditionally conservative states in the American South by "Voter ID" laws

It is literally just a new form of Jim Crow. Jim Crow involved provisions written into state constitutions intended to exclude black people from elections under the guise of "qualifying the electorate." Such measures included a literacy test and a poll tax. Because these measures blanket-targeted impoverished Americans in these southern states, poor whites were excluded from these restrictions by means of the "grandfather clause" - if your grandfather was qualified and eligible to vote, then you are by extension qualified and eligible to vote. Coincidentally, these grandfathers lived during the antebellum South, and were almost exclusively white, since the black Southerners were, well, slaves.

Voter suppression along racial lines isn't going to involve a law that literally says "Black people can't vote lol." They have to make up an excuse to indirectly exclude them from the conversation, so that gullible "useful idiots" or actively malicious operatives can point and say "We're not suppressing black people. We're just qualifying the electorate!" and wash their hands of the whole thing. Use your brain.
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Post Post #10198  (isolation #194)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:06 pm

In post 10195, karnos wrote:
In post 10189, Davsto wrote:
In post 10188, karnos wrote:Do you have another explanation as to why a minority individual would be unable to obtain an ID?

1. Black people are more likely to be impoverished than white people
2. Black people are more likely to live in densely-populated urban areas (due to a myriad of historical and racist factors)
3. Impoverished people are less likely to own an automobile than non-impoverished people, due to a combination of inability to purchase (due to impoverishment and/or racist/predatory loaning practices) and lack of need due to living in dense urban areas
4. Impoverished people are less likely to have completed their education
5. Impoverished people are more likely to have received a sub-standard education
6. Impoverished people are more likely to work a low-paying hourly job(s)


Do you have any idea how racist you are?

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Post Post #10201  (isolation #195)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:12 pm

I know you don't but what about me?
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Post Post #10206  (isolation #196)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 10204, karnos wrote:
In post 10199, Wraith wrote:Meh, it's more he doesn't have any actual arguments to fall back upon so he's just filling the thread with nonsense. It's the patented Trump Troll strategy.


What argument do I need to fall back on? My original argument is still 100% valid.

Did you see Davsto's wall explaining how minorities are lazy & incapable of getting an ID? Isn't that exactly what I said Obama meant?

I mean, I joke about you being incapable of basic reading comprehension, but man if that's what you derived from my post you're either in need of serious lessons or just a troll who's attempting to get the worst possible meaning to inflame the argument further.

I'll leave it up to you to decide which one I believe.
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Post Post #10211  (isolation #197)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:51 pm

It's funny because he thinks I made the argument
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Post Post #10226  (isolation #198)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 10217, karnos wrote:It comes down to Davsto being a huge racist, claiming blacks can't get good jobs, don't own cars, and are uneducated.

It would be racist if I (well, Wraith) were saying "they did this because they're lazy lazy people". But he didn't - he said that these inequalities occurred due to societal and cultural issues that go back generations and still affect black people today and is out of their control.

Of course, you completely missed the point, either because you can't interpret properly or you're purposefully extrapolating the worst interpretation to fuel the fire.
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Post Post #10253  (isolation #199)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:33 pm

In post 10251, Lurker wrote:cuck libtard trumpette

Sounds like a band
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