OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #442 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:15 pm

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Hi! Let me read up on shit before I do reads and all that good stuff. Anything specific ywall want me to go over?
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Post Post #446 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:25 pm

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In post 445, Realeo wrote:Am I the only one who didn't townread ThinkBig? Why I feel alienated?
Currently on page 4 I don't like him. I can't put on my finger on it, but I don't like him.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:29 pm

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In post 132, algebra wrote:Realeo is probably town. I don't think scum would use a line of reasoning as absurd as Realeo's.
I can WIFOM this all fucking day.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:44 pm

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Alright, so far I really do not like Desperato's slot and Antihuman's slot. I don't like Desperato's slot mostly because of MariaR's play.
And I really just don't like some of the bullshit coming out of Antihuman's slot.
VOTE: Antihuman
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Post Post #474 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:38 pm

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I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
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Post Post #487 (isolation #5) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 485, Desperado wrote:
In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
So do you still think Antihuman is scum?
Ye.
In post 486, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 476, Realeo wrote:
In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
Desperado obv Traitor, maybe...

But Desperado + MariaR -> traitor... I don'k think so.

What are you talking about

What does MariaR have to do with it
In post 155, MariaR wrote:Oh no I'm found scum in 155 posts
...so scary
This. I basicly saw this and thought traitor. Yes it's probably mocking TB, but Traitors want to make it very obvious to their scumteam that they are the traitor. You seriously have no idea how obvious they will be just to show that they are the traitor.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #6) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:56 pm

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In post 488, Desperado wrote:So you still think Antihuman is scum for doing scummy things, but you're voting me because sometimes traitors are obvious about showing themselves to their team?
Well, if we lynch the traitor first, we can use it to base our lynches for day 2 and all that stuff.
And plus, traitor is still scum.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #7) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:24 pm

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Raleo - null scum
Don't like the phrasing of "Why would I do X"
Also don't like how they back up Maria on confirming my slot as town.

Superhans -Nullscumlean
Oppertunistic voting
Sheepish behavoir

Kop - Town
Genuinely evaluating game

Algebra - Scum
Needs to eat rope beacause common core is shit, and in my algebra 2 class I didn't learn a single thing

Kyouko - probably town
Pointing out crumbs but dunno what to make of it.
Genuinely evaluates the game

Desperato - Traitor
Mostly based on Maria's slot. Don't like how they confirmed my slot as town.

Gamma - Needs Rope
Don't like their vote right away on Desperato as they replaced. Sure it's probably pressure but I feel as if it completely disregarded Maria's play.

TB - Probably Town

Davesaz - Town
Genuinely attempting to solve the game

Antihuman - Needs Rope
Sure they have some bad posts
Attempts to derail the gamma wagon. If Gamma flipped scum this would look really bad for him

Dunn - I can't read this shit. Gun to my head town?

Reads based off of the last 10 pages.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #8) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:33 pm

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In post 493, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 492, Alisae wrote:Dunn - I can't read this shit. Gun to my head town?
First things first: I'm voting desperado and if your theory has any validity and he's the traitor I'd have caught on as scum and not been voting him. Granted, I don't know much of your theory anyway.

Second: You realize scum can recruit their traitor: in 491 it seems like you're assuming there's a traitor for sure. Why is that?
As for the recruiting the traitor part, I honestly thought that the recruit doesn't happen right away. Either way, MariaR just came off as really traitorish to me.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #9) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:59 pm

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In post 209, Superhans wrote:@Kop,
who would you like to be pushed through to a lynch?
This came off as sorta sheepish to me.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #10) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:41 am

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Yeah I was joking
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Post Post #538 (isolation #11) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:07 pm

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When it comes to Kop ISO him. He has some good stuff.

If you're implying that Kyouko has slipped I really don't like that.

TB was moreso a gut read. because of his town things.

And you know "gun to my head" means "If you forced me to take a stance"

How Gamma could flip is a bunch of WIFOM.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:54 pm

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In post 561, Realeo wrote:I would move to the Desperado wagon 4 deadline.
Oppertunistic as fuck
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Post Post #564 (isolation #13) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:02 pm

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Eh TBH you're probably right on this one Kyouko.
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Post Post #565 (isolation #14) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:03 pm

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not on not me knowing what oppertunistic is but moreso on no lynching = bad.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:47 am

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I'll settle for AH for a deadline lynch
VOTE: Antihuman
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Post Post #575 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.
If you weren't trying to lynch him, then what the fuck was your push on him when you replaced in?
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Post Post #576 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:43 am

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Also yeah AH I also think his reads are wierd as fuck. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe because we have super similar reads and I am very uncomfortable with that.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:51 am

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In post 583, Antihuman wrote:Yeah like a town player has reasons to freak out so much like you did after somebody puts 1 vote on them
Me.
I'll link you a game post-game. The game should be fnished by then.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #19) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:53 am

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Actually I have an example from my newbie I can show you, let me go get that real quickly
The above post is not cool.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #20) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 587, Alisae wrote:Actually I have an example from my newbie I can show you, let me go get that real quickly
The above post is not cool.
The above refering to mine, AH sniped me.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #21) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:54 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69290

My first game ever. I freaked out over a bunch of votes because of my lack of understanding over the game early.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #22) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:55 am

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it's really NAI. People react badly to pressure sometimes.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #23) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 582, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 577, Antihuman wrote:@TB you also left out Dunnstral from your list again, wtf is up with that?
:facepalm: on my part. I just copied and pasted the last read list.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #24) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:59 am

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In post 602, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 592, Desperado wrote:Really don't like AH linking Alisae and ThinkBig like he is. AH-ThinkBig team gaining steam.
Can you point out where he's linking tb and alisae?
In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #25) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:08 am

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In post 604, Superhans wrote:Alisae if AH flips town, who would be your go to scum read?
The person I've been pushing as Traitor
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Post Post #611 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:58 am

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In post 610, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 606, Superhans wrote:Or better way of phrasing question:
if AH IS scum, who would you guess could be his scum partner,
If AH is scum, my guess would be Gamma.
If AH is town, then desperado is most likely the traitor.
NO ONE WAS TALKING TO YOU! :oops:

My scumreads don't really change if AH is town or scum. It'll just make me rethink TB
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Post Post #690 (isolation #27) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:32 pm

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In post 689, Realeo wrote:Sorry. I won't move to AntiHuman. I said I would move to Desperado.
If AH is scum with you, you are getting lynched.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #28) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:42 pm

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In post 691, Desperado wrote:We need someone to switch from AH to ThinkBig and for all of algebra, SSBM, and dunnstral to appear before the deadline and also vote ThinkBig.
And so are you for attempting to to derail the AH wagon.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #29) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:06 pm

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In post 694, Realeo wrote:
In post 690, Alisae wrote:
In post 689, Realeo wrote:Sorry. I won't move to AntiHuman. I said I would move to Desperado.
If AH is scum with you, you are getting lynched.
Wut? ThinkBig is the offered counter wagon at 6 - 3. If I make new wagon, now that' scummy.
No you not moving to AH is scummy.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #30) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:09 pm

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Me thinks at this point that either 2 sinareos are possible. (atleast from what I am currently thinking of)
A. AH is scum and it's an all town wagon and scum don't want to hammer at deadline.
B. AH is town and there is scum on the wagon otherwise scum would have hammered by now.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #31) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:10 pm

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In post 697, Desperado wrote:
In post 693, Alisae wrote:
In post 691, Desperado wrote:We need someone to switch from AH to ThinkBig and for all of algebra, SSBM, and dunnstral to appear before the deadline and also vote ThinkBig.
And so are you for attempting to to derail the AH wagon.
...

I'll let you think about that some more; maybe you'll figure out why it doesn't make any sense yourself
Oh I misinterpreted it I think...
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Post Post #704 (isolation #32) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:14 pm

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In post 701, Realeo wrote:
In post 698, Alisae wrote:ible. (atleast from what I am currently thinking of)
A. AH is scum and it's an all town wagon and scum don't want to hammer at deadline.
B. AH is town and there is scum on the wagon otherwise scum
False dichotomy.

C. AH is town and all scum is on the wagon, but some town doesn't feel the peer pressure to hit AH.

To be fair, I think C is more often to happen. B usually happen in lylo or mylo. In with lynch allowance, it's usually C.
Yeah I knew I was forgetting another solution in that case:
D. AH is scum and scum are hardbussing.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #33) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:27 pm

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If he's scum I'm more likely to think A. If it was D he would have been hammered already.
If he flips town, B or C are likely even tho it's the exact same thing.
Or E. All town are wagoning AH and AH is town.
But I don't think E is possible.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:34 pm

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In post 707, Realeo wrote:E is impossible due to the presence of counter wagon.

I don't get why if he's scum, it would be A? Personally, I never saw option A in action.
E is impossible because you just confirmed that scum is on the wagon you moron.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:12 pm

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VOTE: Realeo
Let's see how this plays out.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:33 pm

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Traitors are fun as hell to analyze.
I don't think our traitor slots are being worn by someone as smart as Metal Sonic, but I'll ISO that shit later.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:57 pm

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Algebra is on point with his shit.

Also AH's push on TB is making me think that it's scum theatre.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:58 pm

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Realeo I think we'll find out the answer to that question shortly, let's let everyone talk first.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:59 pm

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In post 13, ReubenWasFine wrote:VOTE: MariaR

obvscum to me if you want to live
Cool RVS vote.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:01 pm

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In post 730, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 728, Alisae wrote:Algebra is on point with his shit.

Also AH's push on TB is making me think that it's scum theatre.
Hmm

If you think that (the first part) then don't you think scum could have easily killed Algebra? Him being IC and all, him dying wouldn't necessarily put suspicion on realeo. Whereas algebra may vote realeo again. What are your thoughts on that?
With a very obvious NK? I think it puts a lot of sus on Realeo. NKA + VCA.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:06 pm

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Dunn that's dirty :P

And You wanna know why AH's push on TB seems like theatre to me? Ok. I wanna wait till everyone talks a bit until I go over this mad science. Also I need more time to study AH. I'm just gonna leave this here
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu

Along with the words: Metal Sonic

I don't see how the RVS vote looks like theatre.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:07 pm

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In post 735, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 732, Alisae wrote:
In post 730, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 728, Alisae wrote:Algebra is on point with his shit.

Also AH's push on TB is making me think that it's scum theatre.
Hmm

If you think that (the first part) then don't you think scum could have easily killed Algebra? Him being IC and all, him dying wouldn't necessarily put suspicion on realeo. Whereas algebra may vote realeo again. What are your thoughts on that?
With a very obvious NK? I think it puts a lot of sus on Realeo. NKA + VCA.
But he's the IC

So he's the obvious kill

And if people say "why was Algebra killed" the answer can be "Because he's the IC"
Eww a face-value answer.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:08 pm

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Lol you're cute.
pedit: directed towards Realeo
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Post Post #746 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:09 pm

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In post 744, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 740, Alisae wrote:Dunn that's dirty :P
:?:
In post 742, Alisae wrote:Eww a face-value answer.
I don't know why you'd expect some wifom paranoi thing
First quote is about asking Realeo his thoughts on the NK.
2nd quote is because I'm not retarded.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:16 pm

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Alright Dunn, let me explain.

Say if the NK were to be Algebra.
VCA would tell us that Alegbra was ontop of Realeo since
That's a long time Dunn.
Like, 2+ weeks ago.
I feel like if there were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obvious.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:19 pm

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In post 482, algebra wrote:If Realeo isn't faking VI this game he's town.
In post 743, Realeo wrote:
In post 740, Alisae wrote:"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu
I should use that quote when I explain my faux-VI.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:21 pm

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Dunn that make sense to you?
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Post Post #775 (isolation #48) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:59 am

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In post 761, Realeo wrote:
In post 752, Alisae wrote:were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obviou
That only explains that I
can
be mafia. That does NOT explain that I
am
mafia.
This is explaining why an Alegbra NK would lead to you. Not my actual case on you.
In post 762, Realeo wrote:Can anyone give me a psychological lecture about Mafia Traitor at me? Is it more normal for Mafia Traitor to be more diplomatic against town or mafia partner?
In post 763, Realeo wrote:So this catch my attention....
In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.
Antihuman ( 6 ) -
(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, SuperHans)[/color]
I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.


Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?



I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.

So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.
There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
Shit attempt to jump on somone for a NK.
In post 765, Kop wrote:VOTE: Gamma

AH flipping traitor has put the onus back into Gamma for me. He's derailed that wagon to divert pressure
This is a scumclaim.
In post 767, Superhans wrote:
In post 737, Realeo wrote:Dunn, Alisae, would you help me analyze conversation between Kyouko and AntiHuman? That may be the only explanation of the nk?
Y only Dunn and Alisae?
Most likely cause we were the ones posting at the time.
In post 768, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 758, algebra wrote:I'm still alive, it's a miracle.
I think you are still alive for two reasons:

1. You weren't very active last day phase;
2. ssbm was too close to the truth.
2. Is a slip.
In post 769, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 766, ThinkBig wrote:Interesting night kill.
In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so
if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day
, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think
Gamma/Dave/Alisae
This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?

HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.
If AH didn't have such a hard-on for you I'd think you're scum for this comment.
I think TB could be scum. Does that count for something.

VOTE: Kop
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Post Post #781 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:04 am

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Why would a traitor, who knows who their scumteam is, go after someone who they didn't really want to lynch at the time?
They're both scum.
Becuase everyone looking at that interaction would go "Oh hey, TB is town because AH went after them hard." when maybe that's what they were triyng to make people think.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #50) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:11 am

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I'm just gonna park my vote here
VOTE: ThinkBig
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Post Post #810 (isolation #51) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:29 pm

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I'm on the TB wagon because he got into scum theatre with AH
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Post Post #813 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:31 pm

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Realeo and TB are scum
I solved the game.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #53) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:39 pm

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Realeo you're basicly framing Gamma for the NK.
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Post Post #821 (isolation #54) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:41 pm

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Desperado like me SRs?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:17 am

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In post 856, Kop wrote:How is that a scum claim? Please explain.
You're jumping on someone right away for a NK and the vote feels justified. Scum love that justified vote.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:41 pm

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In post 870, algebra wrote:UNVOTE:
Cool story bro
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Post Post #886 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:20 pm

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Occam's Razor is fucking disgusting.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:36 pm

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In post 887, Realeo wrote:
In post 886, Alisae wrote:Occam's Razor is fucking disgusting.
Occam's Razor helps you stay on the ground.
Scum can bait you into thinking that Occam's Razor is the way to go when really it's the quite opposite.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:39 pm

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I don't believe your claim. Sorry Gamma.
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Post Post #896 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:45 pm

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In post 893, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 891, Alisae wrote:I don't believe your claim. Sorry Gamma.
Are you counter claiming?
No I'm not counterclaiming otherwise I would have hammered.
It's just I really don't like the timing of the claim.
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Post Post #897 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:46 pm

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Like he was really sus up to it but just comes off as wierd to me.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:48 pm

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Eh, I guess I'll let it slide for now...
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Post Post #903 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:53 pm

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Image
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Post Post #905 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:55 pm

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tbh I stole it too
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Post Post #909 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:12 pm

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Why on both accounts?
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Post Post #913 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:15 pm

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But I was never pushing Gamma? Or is just beacuse I said I never liked the claim.

pedit: right after he claimed.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:20 pm

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I was but then stopped and pushed TB dunn.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #68) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:29 pm

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In post 921, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 917, Alisae wrote:I was but then stopped and pushed TB dunn.
You joined the wagon when realeo wasn't taking off
Beginning of Day 2 I SR'd Realeo and TB.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:13 pm

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In post 934, Superhans wrote:@Everyone
If ThinkBig flips scum - who is his partner most likely to be?
I'll consider Realeo, Gamma, Kop, and maybe you.
Pre-Flip Associations are bad anyways, don't get why you are asking for them.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:14 pm

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In post 946, Superhans wrote:
In post 943, davesaz wrote:
In post 941, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 932, grapes wrote:10 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes remain until deadline.
??

There was like 13 days left when you claimed?
:up: :!:
Gamma claimed Goon Cop to avoid getting mis-lynched, however, it was an early claim.
WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT THAT WAS EARLY?
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Post Post #991 (isolation #71) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:28 am

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Duuuuuuuude. You just hammered.
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Post Post #993 (isolation #72) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:30 am

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OMGAWD YEAH HE DIIIIIID. REALEO NEVER UNVOTED!

And I will when I get back home.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:35 am

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You guys are not fun -_-
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:37 am

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I was trying to make Superhans feel like he fakehammered.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:43 am

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In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716624#p8716624]post 1004[/url], Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1000, Alisae wrote:I was trying to make Superhans feel like he fakehammered.
Why?
I wanted to see how he would react.
Is there something wrong with fakehammering?
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:20 pm

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I guess I'll believe Gamma's claim now that Realeo showed up.
Realeo's logic makes sense to me.
Lots of it.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:51 pm

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My thoughts are...
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:50 pm

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Algebra is a fucking normie.
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:33 am

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Reg, are you suuuuuuuure that AH wasn't attempting to push another traitor? I don't remember TB having any attention on him at that point.
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Post Post #1134 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:11 am

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In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8723259#p8723259]post 1124[/url], Regfan wrote:
In post 1123, Alisae wrote:Reg, are you suuuuuuuure that AH wasn't attempting to push another traitor? I don't remember TB having any attention on him at that point.
I can guarantee you he wasn't trying to push another traitor. I think it's very unlikely he was trying to push another mafia partner, the only way that traitor can die inside this setup is via lynch effectively given their BP vest and the lack of doctor meaning that mafia are never going to night kill them.
The only way that AH makes that play is if he is confident that TB won't get lynched on the back of it and if he thinks he himself will get lynched before TB to make TB look good
. I don't think he'd be replacing into the game and instantly planning what would be optimal in his own demise and deciding to take the risk having a potentially rolled killing mafia die just to have that occur. If you notice even after the point where he stated "I wasn't trying to get you lynched" (Which was a week after trying to get him lynched) he continued voting and trying to lynch TB constantly decrediting all of TBs reads and play. It's much more likely here that TB is just town.
Sorry about the typo, meant scum instead of traitor. mybad.
The bolded is as I feel like that's exactly what happened.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:48 am

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So what?
The way I see it, AH was telling the truth.
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:52 pm

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I want TB to get lynched because it'll help us determine if AH was telling the truth or if he is lieing.
For example, if he was lieing, we can sort out his reads by the exact opposite of what they were.
If he was telling the truth, we can then sort his reads out that way.
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:57 pm

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howso?
Traitors can tell the truth and get away with it easily causing people to mislynch.
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:58 pm

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Really? To me it seems like a Traitor would do anything to get noticed by their scumteam and to tell them they are the traitor.
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:06 pm

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I don't feel like they were trying to get them suspected or lynched at all at the time actually.
Look at AH's case on TB.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #86) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:28 pm

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In post 1183, Regfan wrote:
In post 1177, Alisae wrote:I don't feel like they were trying to get them suspected or lynched at all at the time actually.
Look at AH's case on TB.
His vote never left ThingBig after it being placed in his first post in the game in , inside that post he presents a huge 'case' on TB being mafia and makes sure to divert a lot of attention from Gamma (Who is probably town) to TB, he continues making a case on TB inside and again in . He spent the entire day focusing on and wanting TB lynched -- this is objectively true given that his vote never moved and his next scum read inside the game was you who he only had scum because he scum read TB. The manner he handled the TB situation put the both of them in the spotlight throughout the entire day phase at a time when neither were largely suspected and this was something he intentionally designed. So you're stating that him replaces in as traitor and wants Traitor v Mafia counerwagons D1 is more likely than Traitor v Town is very illogical. Like it feels like I'm talking to someone that doesn't understand the game of mafia.
But heres the thing that strikes me as odd. AH replaces in and makes a huge case on TB.
AH immediately gets scumread and has votes on them and stuff.
Like, one of their points on TB was saying that because TB went on V/LA is an excuse for not wanting to play the game.
To me his case feels purposely bad so that it seems like he's okay with getting lynched.
And people SR'd him for his shit case on TB.

It's illogical therefore it's logical, because you don't think a traitor would do that, therefore they do it.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:35 pm

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LOL! Scum will use whatever tactics they can use to perseve as townie and attempt to get mislynches, will they not?
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:36 pm

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From either pretending to be VI, pretending to be a newbie, or being powertown and trying to lead the town in mislynches.
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:43 pm

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Reg, I can see this going two ways.
A. I stop pushing this and appease you therefore you think I am scum.
B. I continue pushing this and you think I am scum.
Quite frankly I don't really care in proving myself as a townie, I just want to lynch scum and explain why I think they are scum.

Yeah, they were going for a lynch between 2 maf members. It's not that day's lynch they were concerned about, it's future mislynches that they were hoping to happen.
Hence why they would attempt to get mislynches. People would go look in their iso to try to figure out if they were lieing or telling the truth. Most people will think that they are lieing becuase no one actually expects a traitor to tell the truth.
So if a traitor tells the truth when he gives townreads, people will go back in his ISO, see "Oh, these are the people that he gave TRs. A few of them must be scum." And lynch them. And then they flip townie.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:44 pm

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In post 1201, Realeo wrote:But why he would get himself self lynched? To give TB town cred?
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:45 pm

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And his case was bad because?
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:47 pm

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In post 1210, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1207, Alisae wrote:And his case was bad because?
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I did't think it was bad, actually
It's shallow.
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:49 pm

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In post 1209, Dunnstral wrote:Hey alisae, what are your thoughts on non-tb players? What happens if tb flips town?
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #94) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:52 pm

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As for what happens if tb flips town I'll go read AH's ISO again and figure that out.
Pre-Flip Associations are baaaaaaaad.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:04 pm

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Replace me out
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