In Memory

[Postie]

lol shadow's town.

Someone tell me where to vote.

[Postie]

VOTE: Gamma

Because jealousy.

[Postie]

VOTE: Titus

OMGUS.

[Postie]

VOTE: Clemency

Anyone with a Light Yagami avatar is always scum.

[Postie]

There did I do enough useful things

[Postie]

Postie (2): Gamma Emerald

I was informed that this isn't a mod error.

[Postie]

No
I'm just a double voter

Oh, right. I thought you had like two separate votes rather than your vote counting twice.

[Postie]

Solowhat?

[Postie]

Ebwop

Postie, why Duosion?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8528448

[Postie]

But yeah, double voters tend to be towns.

This is an RC game.

This emotion-based approach and the anger makes you look scummiest of us all.

Literally the reason I'm sure shadow's town here.

[Postie]

Postie, you have an AtE weakness.

No, I don't. I can just tell the difference between scum frustration and town frustration. This is town frustration.

[Postie]

It isn't Postie. Check Suikoden Mafia. Blackest Magic reacted in the same way. Klingon was in that game btw.

Link?

[Postie]

For the record, I read what shadow wrote as an obvious joke. Let it go plsty.

[Postie]

I think I've played an RC game before. Maybe not. But is there something about RC as a mod I should know? I only remember him as a player.

He doesn't stick to the typical modding meta; you can generally expect roles to be of any alignment. I also have reason to believe alignments were randomised after the roles were created.

[Postie]

Alignments were randomized prior to setup design.

Wait nevermind ignore that last point.

[Postie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=63765 There's Suikoden Mafia Postie. Ny 191 is the Davesaz game and Inorganic Chemistry is the Mastina game. (language is closer in those two, vote count situation closer here).

Three sample games Postie.

Don't see how the situation with Blackest Magic is similar to here. There's no Davesaz in NY 191 so I'm assuming you mean Davsto? If so, I don't see it. Link for Inorganic Chemistry?

[Postie]

It IS possible for a scum double voter and I think I was in ONE game where there was one, but generally double voters are town.

Modding meta does not apply to RC games.

Postie feels like she is WKing SS and that makes my scumdar ping something fierce

VOTE: Postie

I get scumread for whiteknighting every single game.

[Postie]

Here's Davsto. You can read the ISO after that point too.

Spoiler: Davsto

Subject: NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

VOTE: Titus

When

isn't

she scum?

Subject: NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

-townpoints for only responding to this part, btw.

Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.

It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.

Proof plz or are you just gonna say things and hope they'll be true eventually?

Quoted reasons.

I meant, you know, show where I'm "buddying" and "not scumhunting". Jeez.

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

Let's see if that's the case here!

What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?

Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).

He only came out unscathed by causing massive amounts of drama, painting my read as just sour grapes and making sure everyone ignored me after I wasn't playing.

Still came out unscathed after a full-on Titus tunnel, point still stands. RadiantCowbells trust in his ability enough to not be scared.

You open by stating a statement you know isn't true (implied Titus is always scum) then buddying while ignoring me.

Man, scumreading me for making jokes. Wish that was the first time I'd seen this.
Again, show the buddying. Also, considering I've replied to at least one of your posts (even if it wasn't regarding your wagon on me) isn't ignoring you. Also, it seems awfully demanding for you to expect me to constantly talk to you even if you're not directly addressing me when there are a good 18 players.

And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).

RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.

Still don't see it. I mean, I see the thing about the joke, but I don't think it's fair to say that complaining about being scumread for a joke is alignment indicative because one person has done it before as scum.

[Postie]

This particular "joke" when done by three separate people onto me has been scum 3 times and town zero. The behavior and tone matches here.

Eh? Quote/link me the other posts where it happened? And I disagree with behaviour and tone match; there's a subtle difference in that shadow's posts feel "protest-y" whereas Davsto went the more conventional passive-aggressive scum route.

[Postie]

One thing though, I definite feel good about Gamma being town because like I said generally speaking, double voters are generally town,

Modding meta does not apply to RC games.

[Postie]

And I mean do you want me to quote you all of the times I've been accused of whiteknighting because I can do that

[Postie]

[snip]

RE: Inorg - yep, that's a joke vote. The kind of joke vote that anyone who isn't naked voting makes in RVS. I thought you were arguing that complaining about being called out on a joke vote was alignment indicative (which I would argue it isn't but can't 100% indisputably call NAI), but if your argument is that joke votes are alignment indicative then you are just straight-up, flat-out wrong.
The second post you've quoted doesn't seem similar in tone to anything shadow has been doing except on an incredibly broad, superficial level.

With regards to Blackest Magic, I can't make heads or tails of the posts you've quoted after the joke vote because I don't understand what point you're trying to make with them.

[Postie]

that "joke"

What does this mean? I don't see how any of them are making the same joke.

and get hyper defensive about it.

I've only seen this hold true in 1/3 of the examples you gave.

Davsto was just obvious scum freaking out, like here.

Again, their tone and behaviour is different on multiple levels.

[Postie]

It's not Postie, demos, Grandma, or Creeps.

Why am I town?

[Postie]

In another game I played I RVSed someone based on their username and someone told me about 40% of people who did that were scum

Even if that were true (I'd be extremely surprised if it was), it wouldn't be enough of a reason to lynch someone.

[Postie]

Rach, 95% of your ISO is IIoA.

[Postie]

You could have kept that to yourself until we found out if that was a real dayvig or not.

[Postie]

Awww yis

[Postie]

Yeah, I was kinda disengaged because voteless. Getting into the swing of things now.

[Postie]

I have no vote.

[Postie]

You're too angry. Something's off about that.

That's his secret. He's always angry.

[Postie]

There may or may not be modifications to my voteless thing too, but I am entirely voteless with no upsides for today.

[Postie]

???

[Postie]

I have no idea what you're trying to say, Gamma.

[Postie]

Well, that depends on whether he's still scumreading you now and if so, how strongly.

[Postie]

So how does that make me scum?

That sort of thing definitely isn't Town.

How so? Pretty sure I've said the exact same thing before as town.

[Postie]

LycanFire

, could you tell us how Requested Soulbinder Modified Conditional Flavor Cop Global Modified Cop Modified Reflexive Delayer Double Dayer works?

Sorry that was my role in my last RC game. I think I'm stuck in the past

[Postie]

Yo Creeps got any reads

[Postie]

Creature (0): Slight scumread for the 'sunburn' shenanigans

Why?

LycanFire (0): Very slight scum. I feel like the ridicoulous role thing he did might be a silent nod to memory loss probably to compensate for later 'memory losses'

This is mildly amusing when you think about what's actually being suggested here.

[Postie]

I have no clue what the sunburn ability is and it seemed to be used early on. It doesn't seem to have done anything.

It's a flavour reveal. Either Creature chose during pre-game to reveal his flavour at the start of the day, or he had no choice and it was a passive ability.

So I think it is a scum ability as most town abilities are doc and Vigilante. And I don't see a player using doc like that.

This isn't really true. Particularly in role madness games and games modded by RC, pretty much any role can be given to any alignment except roles designed exclusively to be used by scum (Godfather, Framer, etc).
I've had a flavour-reveal role like Creature's as town in an RC game before as well.

[Postie]

Whenever I see a hated claim, the first thought I have is that it must be town, I wonder why Kuroi doesn't have this impulse.

Can we just end any and all speculation about what roles are more likely to be what alignment right here right now
TIA

[Postie]

Btw, why I get this feeling you're being too passive?

Postie is scum, I agree.

I'm being somewhat lazy this game, yeah.

Kuroi, why are you townreading me?

[Postie]

Lynch Shadow. He scum claimed hard when he tried to policy lynch me.

Can you even point to anything that suggests he was being serious? Because if not then why would we do this.

[Postie]

The "we" was referring to the town/playerlist. As in, "why would we lynch him?".
And I read what shadow said as a joke, so no, it wasn't clear.

[Postie]

Why's he scum?

[Postie]

Also, I've played with him enough to know his scum work.

Links and explainererainering?

[Postie]

Creature why are you still voting me after I explained how "we" is quite clearly ambiguous and open to misinterpretation, which is what happened here.

[Postie]

How have you gone from

Though atm sure is relative since it is still very early in the game.

being unsure of your read on me to

instead of seeing that it is Postie that is SS's buddy

stating that me and SS are partners in a manner that implies you have a reasonably high degree of confidence in your reads on me and SS?

[Postie]

because you are a strong scum read for me

And the fact you keep defending SS does not feel like you know he is town.

The fact you've given that second line as a sort-of afterthought suggests it isn't part of your reasoning for the first statement. Just pointing that out so you can't backtrack and pretend it is when I ask:

What do you make of the fact that you're scumreading me for a behaviour that frequently gets me scumread as town to the point where it is literally NAI? Why didn't you take this into consideration after I pointed it out? It sort-of undermines the whole basis for your read.

[Postie]

the way you (Postie) came in to rescue Wyvern really got my heckles up

you were townreading my scumread in such a way that I figured either you were partners or you were WKing a scummy-looking town slot

No offense but simoyd/postie is really obvious now [...] based on Postie's case [for town!Simoyd] which makes absolutely no sense and would never trump his current inconsistencies

postie is defending RC to the grave, and this comes off as if she KNOWS Rc is town

Yes.

[Postie]

>doesn't believe my self-meta
>won't ask for links or examples

Pseudo-vote: RachMarie

I endorse this product or service.

[Postie]

I am always suspicious when a player defends someone as much as you have SS.

A+ dodge

What's your read on me now that I've literally quoted several examples of similar situations at you?

[Postie]

The quotes link right back to the games...

[Postie]

dreal, consider this: just because someone is saying things you disagree with, does not make them scum.

[Postie]

K dreal can be town. I don't see scum!dreal being able to fake this level of delusional rage.

[Postie]

Lol no, look at his town games.

Links?

[Postie]

Titus, why are you townreading dreal?

P-Edit - ty.

[Postie]

(Or whichever head is townreading dreal.)

[Postie]

RachMarie is missing 8 votes.

[Postie]

I'll case RachMarie's stuff in a bit. Probably tomorrow. Kinda headachey right now.

[Postie]

Lycan why aren't you wallposting and shit like you usually do?

[Postie]

Yes pls.

[Postie]

The way Rach moved onto KTS there was scummy as fuck.

[Postie]

I mean she conveniently avoided addressing anything I put to her. If she were town I'd expect her to actually reevaluate her vote and not just say nothing and then go "oh uh vote kts".

[Postie]

Lycan is acting so out of character that he sounds exactly nothing like his town self but at the same time it's so blatant that I'm having trouble believing he'd really act like this as scum.

[Postie]

Gee KTS was town whoda thought it
If only someone had warned us all of this and offered a more suitable lynch option

[Postie]

hey postie who would you have voted today?

Oh I didn't see this.
Hi.
Take a guess.

[Postie]

Idk it sounded like town exasperation to me.

[Postie]

Yeah, I... don't know.

[Postie]

I said I'd do a case so here's a summary of my interactions with Rach and why they make her scum

---

"Hey this is NAI for me and fairly typical; I can quote you lots of times it's happened where I was town if you want"

A response that makes sense from a town PoV:
"Okay, show me."

A response that does not make sense:
"I'm supposed to believe you???"

---

"What's your read on me now that I've provided numerous, including ones where people made literally the exact same argument as you?"

A response that makes sense from a town PoV:
"Oh, you're right, that seems to be NAI. I'll unvote."

A response that does not make sense:
"Well I don't have the full context"
"..."
"..."
"KTS is scum."
"You're calling me out on refusing to take a stance? I'm, uh, thinking about it okay..."

[Postie]

Postie feels like she is WKing SS

the way you (Postie) came in to rescue Wyvern really got my heckles up

you were townreading my scumread in such a way that I figured either you were partners or you were WKing a scummy-looking town slot

No offense but simoyd/postie is really obvious now [...] based on Postie's case [for town!Simoyd] which makes absolutely no sense and would never trump his current inconsistencies

postie is defending RC to the grave, and this comes off as if she KNOWS Rc is town

Could you provide actual links to the games not just quote a few non contextual quotes?

Like this is so blatantly scum what kind of townie would ever,

ever

respond like this

[Postie]

No but what the everloving fuck kind of context could you possibly need for any of those quotes

[Postie]

Shadowstep claimed we should lynch me because I am always scum and lied about it. That netted me scum 3 times in a row. It was the most reliable tell I had ever developed. Dude is allegedly town, wtf.

It's almost like extrapolating things from a tiny sample size is terrible idea that has been shown to frequently yield inaccurate results

[Postie]

I wouldn't be opposed to a quicklynch on RachMarie at this point.

[Postie]

Do you have a read on me yet, Rach?
You'd think that'd be on your radar since you were originally adamant I was scum.

[Postie]

I'm here.

[Postie]

Or we could just get the RachMarie lynch over with.

[Postie]

My discards were nothing because I only submitted one pick and also this a waste of time why are we doing this

[Postie]

Why aren't you voting RachMarie?

[Postie]

Oh yeah. Oops.

Also we've lost 3 votes and we still need the same number to lynch as yesterday no fair

[Postie]

Wait hold on. We have 10 or 11 town alive, two of which are voteless, so if scum decide not to bus we potentially need literally every single townie with a vote to vote RachMarie to make the lynch happen.
Dear god.

[Postie]

I have no vote.

[Postie]

Rach needs to claim as soon as she gets in here.

[Postie]

Town are just as likely to buddy as scum. It's hardly alignment indicative most of the time.

[Postie]

I mean I think the case on Lycan is dumb, and I think derailing the Rach wagon is equally dumb because guess what if people are refusing to hammer her they've outed themselves as scum, but... I'm not gonna oppose this lynch. I don't know what Lycan's alignment is but it I doubt it's town.
Rach needs to be vig'd or quicklynched tomorrow though.

[Postie]

Yeah, two weeks is the equivalent of an entire game day. That's not even remotely acceptable unless activity requirements are still met and it's a "I'm still gonna post but just less than usual" kind of V/LA.

[Postie]

I think we should've sticked to RachMarie, but whatever.

Then vote RachMarie. Dreal isn't happening today.

As I said earlier, if we get her to L-1 and people are refusing to hammer, they've scumclaimed.

[Postie]

I don't quite understand what you're saying, ɀefiend.

[Postie]

Lycan, unvote dreal pls and get on RM. There isn't enough support there so you're voting for No Lynch right now.

[Postie]

jaereed made a few shitposts where he pretended to be clueless when i know he isn't.

???

[Postie]

RM needs a bus to go through, so how is that going to happen?

Because if there are 3/4 people sitting off the wagon while people are telling them to hammer and all of them are refusing to then congrats we now know the entire scumteam.

[Postie]

I do not like that because it forces anyone with a town read of RM to vote her.

Who the hell is townreading and/or against an RM lynch at this point though? Even if there are people townreading her, I'm pretty sure that it's less than the amount of scum in the game, so scum are still forced to bus unless they want to suddenly and inexplicably reverse their read on her.

[Postie]

It's not that I think lynching RM is easier, just that it makes more sense.

[Postie]

I thought that as long as Creature (the Sun) was alive we wouldn't have Night.

Lmao then we could just keep Creature alive the whole game (or until Lylo if we thought they were scum) and scum wouldn't get any kills ever.
I can guarantee you that's not how that works.

[Postie]

Oh no doubt they'd have some way of blotting out the Sun.

Yeah but still no.

[Postie]

Annie.

[Postie]

Also, why is Creature the Sun and what does that mean..and why was Voldemort town? And why are so many people voting me?

If this flips town then I'm a flying hedgehog.

[Postie]

- i'll vote RM only as an alternative to a no lynch

Cool then vote RM.

[Postie]

If they lied, and they're Gamma's opposite, it would stand to reason that one is scum and the other town.

Why?

Postie, if you claim voteless, could you cast a vote each day to confirm?

VOTE: Postie

[Postie]

no shit i was trying to play a certain way. the best use of my role is baiting an nk. anyone can do vca. i wasn't rushing to prove my town status was something i was doing as far back as day 1. i was hoping if scum knew i was playing conservatively they'd shoot me.

In a role madness game?

[Postie]

I'm assuming you are only referring to that part about you thinking creature is scum.

Hes the sun. We have 2 days in a row because of him. How the hell is that a scum ability?

He also seems to be aware of our abilities and is sharing some of that information.

You don't know RC, do ya? That's probably NAI.

WhiteLight was lynched Day Two! She was

Rainbow, Willbreaker Voteless Investigation-Immune Loyal Asceticizing Doctor Posthumous

Double Day

.

[Postie]

Oh, no, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I'm agreeing.

[Postie]

All aboard the boring boring wagon please.

[Postie]

No, wait, I have to, there aren't enough votes to lynch Boring today, are there?

There are unless the whole scumteam wants to out themselves to us today. Get back on boring.

[Postie]

It's okay.

[Postie]

HYPE

[Postie]

No flashy flashwagons please. I just want this boring lynch over with. Please. Dear god.

[Postie]

Oh good we're at L-1. Feel free to hammer whenever.

[Postie]

no shit i was trying to play a certain way. the best use of my role is baiting an nk. anyone can do vca. i wasn't rushing to prove my town status was something i was doing as far back as day 1. i was hoping if scum knew i was playing conservatively they'd shoot me.

In a role madness game?

Oh yeah and Lycan pls answer this ty.

[Postie]

If you can call two people a wagon then sure.

[Postie]

Literally nothing is happening so can we stop unecessarily drawing this out and throw boring into the fires of Mount Doom now TIA

[Postie]

The day will end in (expired on 2017-01-03 12:00:00).

Let's gooooooooooooo

[Postie]

Strongman vig...?

[Postie]

I don't see his name in the VC though. If he got to stay alive as a treestump/voteless I'm assuming his role PM would say so.

[Postie]

btw, does anyone know anything about why boring's flip was redacted? I'd guess it was either her role or a scum day power but wasn't sure if there's some other explanation that I'm missing

Valinor is kind-of like an afterlife place in LotR so yes, boring should be dead. Presumably she got janitor'd.

[Postie]

Then when I looked at it again I was thinking maybe it was just a neutral flip??

If it was a third-party flip it would say so, and there'd be a role PM.

question then becomes whether RM/boring was town or scum, and if we should try to come to a group decision about that or if it is helpful to even try to - I'm still pretty set that she was scum and scum janitor used their ability on a scumbuddy to sew confusion, but, there's no knowing I think - don't want to distract convo. with it if it's not useful, just sharing thoughts

Flavour fits Arwen's character in a natural way, so most likely part of RM/boring's role. Wasn't claimed. Probably self-janitoring scum.

[Postie]

Upon further inspection, it seems I have gotten a PT with Postie.

Holy shit why

[Postie]

Since he went to Valinor, does it mean he might come back? It doesn't say he was lynched or anything.

Don't know the LotR universe well enough to say. I'd doubt it though?

[Postie]

Postie talk to me about this, given there was only one death?

Lycan was supposed to have delayed death.

[Postie]

Oh wait you mean why I assumed it was a vig and not a scum kill? Because I don't understand why scum would kill Lycan; would've been the easiest mislynch for today.

[Postie]

Unless they were afraid of his redacted thing? I'm just wondering if Lycan redirected scum onto him because it doesn't make sense as a nightkill.

But why redirect someone onto yourself?

We should talk. This ship with Postie gives unique coordinating advantages.

?

[Postie]

You have a hood with Gamma. I have a hood with Gamna.
You can tell me things that you do not wish the public to know.

Oh, right, I forgot you had a hood with Gamma. This assumes I trust Gamma not to be scum though. Is there a reason I should be townreading him?

[Postie]

This is an RC game.

[Postie]

Could their pairing have something to do with the vote restrictions?

*shrug* Maybe.

[Postie]

Reminder to blacklist you after this game.

Not everyone lives in drealmerz world where everybody constructs their posts in the most pedantic and self-righteous way possible before hitting submit.

If that post is blacklist worthy then I have no idea how you've survived 3+ years on this site. This is also a neat way to duck out of having to actually explain the lazy buzzword you threw out as reasoning for your vote.

What about Titus' strong-arming don't you like?

[Postie]

When I get to a computer I can put a proper case together.

Nevermind, I guess. I expect you to follow-through on this though.

[Postie]

If you post too little you'll end up being lynched so I suggest you speak up bit more.

[Postie]

Well if you're not persuading the town to lynch scum then you being alive doesn't really help us much, does it?

[Postie]

Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

?

[Postie]

I read it more as stupid than lazy.

[Postie]

Why is town reading creature dumb (or lazy) and why would you think the 2nd day is not caused by him?

Because as far as I'm aware his double day ability is compulsive and so it could easily be a negative-utility scum power. Especially considering RC has given scum compulsive double day before.

[Postie]

What?

[Postie]

an extra team member > an extra kill

[Postie]

Lycanfire also made a claim:

... if you want to lynch me you can't actually get rid of me. ... you're stuck with me.

one thing you ought to consider is that there will probably be a night after this day period.

...

What's this supposed to mean?

[Postie]

Sorry that was my role in my last RC game. I think I'm stuck in the past

It was a joke.

[Postie]

The way Titus kept ignoring legitimate concerns that were brought up about PLgate rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm not discounting the possibility that Titus was just confbiasing so hard that she didn't feel the need to consider those things.

I don't see a competent player like Titus doing that as Town.

How many games have you had with Titus? I've seen her pull some major moonlogic as both alignments.

[Postie]

btw both point I make here are based in the same game.

Link it?

[Postie]

Please provide a couple examples of Titus doing this as scum in previous games.

Why is it only scummy if she's done it before?

[Postie]

Our PT has "Ghostie" in the title. <3
But Gamma is answering all my questions in the fewest words possible. Vote him into being cooperative?

[Postie]

Where did Kuroi go?

[Postie]

Honestly, I can't remember a single thing Kuroi has contributed to this game. That's not good.

[Postie]

reasonable-sounding

That's not what I remember of her.

VOTE: Virtue

Why are you alting? What do you have to hide?

***

Yeah, I was technically posting elsewhere. I don't see a town Postie ignoring that without good cause or at least a comment.

If you went mysteriously absent in the middle of the game I might have been concerned, but things were just getting started, so I thought you hadn't gotten round to this game yet or something.

On what date did you find out I was Virtue?

When you changed from Virtue to your main in Mini 1762.
I don't know the exact date but I can look it up if you need me to.

VOTE: Postie

So you knew I was an alt, highlighted I was an alt, tried to imply being an alt is scummy, and then completely forgot about me in the game?

Idk it probably sounds less ridiculous out of the context of the flow of the game, but essentially Titus pushed my lynch based on "town!Postie wouldn't have failed to notice and point out I wasn't posting a lot". Something of note about the alt thing and Titus implying I'd implied it was scummy is that that first post was an RVS joke and oh god thanks I'm totally paranoid of DEO now.

I do agree Titus is usually a bit more subdued as scum though.

[Postie]

Kuroi is a good wagon.

[Postie]

No.

[Postie]

I wouldn't mind having our wagons for today be Kuroi VS Gamma.

[Postie]

since Lycan should not have been the nightkill

Or it was a vig and the nightkill failed?

[Postie]

I think Kuroi is town now, too.

Why?

[Postie]

[Postie]

If last night's missing kill was down to a doctor they should probably be on dreal tonight.

[Postie]

Why?

[Postie]

I'm questioning you on Vax because you want to lynch him. I mean, I'm not townreading him, but there are other people I'd rather we lynch so I'm asking you to tell me why this is a better idea.

[Postie]

Hi Kuroi.
Wanna contribute something that allows people to sort you?

[Postie]

Fucking do it.

"No scum would want people to vote them, right? Look how much I'm not scum!"

[Postie]

If you have time to fluffpost you have time to say something game-related.

[Postie]

That is false, since it takes more time to analyze the game and thousands of posts than it takes to respond to one post.

You don't have to analyze the entire game to post something game-related. You could give your opinion on something just on this page if you wanted to - for example, is my push on you town or scum motivated?

[Postie]

dreal please stop. Kuroi isn't going to be swayed to cooperate by you shouting at him.

[Postie]

If he doesn't have time right now, he doesn't have time. If he's demotivated, then shouting at him has a good chance at exacerbating the demotivation by making him not want to interact with you and maybe others in the game on top of that as a result. Give it a rest. The best thing we can do right now is just to pile on some votes.

[Postie]

Except it doesn't fit with my scum play.

Why? What's your scum play like? Link me a game?

[Postie]

Sure:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67522
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65032

Can you briefly describe the difference in your play in those games compared to here?

[Postie]

Is there a reason you would be doing either of those things here if you were scum?

[Postie]

Well I dumb telled to throw Wisdom off, who even defended me most of the game.
And people like me when I'm friendly so I only died because of a vig.

All in all, it works. But I have no means to deceive anyone right now.

That doesn't really help me since all it tells me is that if you're scum you have no idea what you're doing, and even that's only if I take that last statement at face value.

[Postie]

Ugh I'm honestly fucking sick and tired of meta this and meta that, is that all anybody on this site goes by these days? It's just turning me off of this game.

I don't care about his meta I care about how he approaches it and explains it to me. And honestly right now I'll take anything from Kuroi; I just want

something

I can use to

attempt

to sort him.

[Postie]

Ugh I'm honestly fucking sick and tired of meta this and meta that, is that all anybody on this site goes by these days? It's just turning me off of this game.

I also don't know why but the way you came in and made this comment is making me scumread you a lot.

[Postie]

Ugh I'm honestly fucking sick and tired of meta this and meta that, is that all anybody on this site goes by these days? It's just turning me off of this game.

Slight town read here.

How? @_@

[Postie]

Idk. I have enough of a townread on you as of 2067 that I'm not going to bother to probe further for now. zefiend has sunk low enough in my reads that I want to vote him instead.
IfIHadOne.jpg

Or maybe Vax.
God where's the direction in this game I need to reread

[Postie]

Lol.

Here's my POV. I have a 2013 join date but I'm not part of any cliques, an established player, or have any "meta" so-to-speak on this site. Meanwhile players who joined in 2016 have heavy meta on each other (not just talking about this game, exclusively). It's frustrating because while I can appreciate the appeal and uses of metagaming, I find it trivial to try to apply it arbitrarily. The last few pages have been dancing around the idea of meta and it just doesn't float my boat as a player. It's making me detach.

Okay but how does this rant move the game forward at all or help anyone

[Postie]

Yeah but zefiend's rant the kind of thing I can see scum walking in and saying because the content of those posts actually does nothing to move the game forward and is just pointless drivel, but there's ranty emotions behind it, and it therefore comes across to me as just being designed to show off the emotional aspect of the post to give the illusion that zefiend is invested in the game.

[Postie]

I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?

Go for it.

[Postie]

Still creeped out by Lycanfire

~~Math

Don't trust JaeReed but at this point I am fucking useless apparently except maybe my RM meta tell if that is true.

Will just let Titus play til I get some idea back but the creepiness of this game makes it hard to get invested. That someone Town would read all of my meta and use pants is blah.

I don't think it's a good idea to make assumptions about what Lycan did and didn't do.

[Postie]

Man if only I had a fruit or vegetable to power me up.

~~Math

Don't worry, this game is literally bananas.

[Postie]

Anyone got a read on smith?

[Postie]

How come?

[Postie]

Thanks for that. Yeah actually 205 pings me really hard. I'd be fine with Vax I think.

My problem is that I've been interrogating Gamma in our PT and he always find really vague and unhelpful ways to answer all of my questions. I've been asking as many, specific, questions as possible, but I can't get a single thing out of him that isn't ridiculously generic. And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood, keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.

[Postie]

Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.

[Postie]

Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.

Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

~~Math

No my point was that I was offering to support a Vax lynch over Gamma. I don't care what you think of Vax but if you're going to potentially lose us the game by handing Gamma important info then I want Gamma dead immediately.

[Postie]

I don't appreciate this post, at all.

I invested a LOT of time into casing DEO and it stirred up a great deal of discussion. Unfortunately, most of that discussion devolved into metagaming, which in case you didn't already know, I am not a fan of.

I still find the D1 push to be scum-motivated. The lack of much Titus in this thread recently doesn't help, either. Since that topic went by the wayside, I don't find there to be much redeeming conversation at the moment. I DO appreciate you trying though, to engage Kuroi.

That helps me understand your PoV a bit more I think. I ignored your case on DEO because I believe they're town. The way Math talked about being demotivated because they were creeped out by what they thought Lycan did reads genuine to me and makes me believe they believed their reasoning; I think doing that as scum would be horribly unfair to Lycan and Math doesn't strike me as the kind of person to try and pull a move like that.

[Postie]

Please stop claiming stuff, dreal.

[Postie]

does it make a difference at this point the method of deading?

I'm all about not claiming shit, but, I don't think it matters if I give how I did it? does it?

if so I totally should stfu I guess

I don't know if it helps scum but if there's a chance it does you should probably not do that.

[Postie]

Ummm Gamma is our conduit to get information to you without announcing it to scum. He'll be dead soon enough in most scenarios.

Not if he's scum and even if he's town there's no point shooting him with how useless he's being when there are plenty of other targets.

Kuroi, do you want to talk about this?

The answer to this question should be no. We should not be talking about this.

[Postie]

If he were softing a guilty you'd think he'd be trying to get Jae lynched. You can stop fishing for info now.

[Postie]

He was clearly softing *something* in a sufficiently obvious manner that there's no way scum missed it.

Great. Now stop talking about it.

[Postie]

*cough*

>.>

[Postie]

Boring never flipped.

There's no

confirmation

of any Scum in that hood.

That too. But I do think it's extremely likely RM was scum given the flavour suggests self-janitor and unclaimed self-janitor is almost certainly scum.

[Postie]

Okay, who's scum?

Gamma, zefiend, and/or Vax probably. Pick one.

[Postie]

Tinfoil JaeReed drealmerz mhsmith but letting Titus drive.

~~Math

Why are you scumreading an unCC'd vig?

[Postie]

I can't explain it til everyone claims if they were redirected or not.

~~Math

How are we supposed to know whether we were redirected or not?

[Postie]

It's informing, Postie. So the person should have been informed they were redirected if they were.

Oh, right. I missed that somehow.

People, the DEO hydra contains Scum. Please lynch them.

He is "part"-scum

Mmm, this feels scummy.
VOTE: Vax

Gamma, this is the laziest possible vote you could have made and you know it. If you don't have the time or motivation to give this game the attention it needs, then please replace out. If you're scum then keep doing what you're doing I guess but I swear to god I'll find a way to force a lynch on your slot.

[Postie]

Also may I (again) remind everyone (but mostly zefiend) that if you scumread The DEO because you believe they faked their push on Lycan then you're buying that:

a) Math would

damn near stalker level creepy

This is horrible and creeps me the hell out.

I am creeped out right now and very disappointed in these vote moves.

Its posts have me feeling so damn creeped out right now. [...] I will not be told that it's okay to ignore someone blatantly using my meta or as town randomly stalking a player not in the game.

continually accuse someone of doing something they deemed horribly creepy and pretend it was making them extremely uncomfortable in order to campaign for that person's lynch, while knowing that person had done nothing wrong.

b) Continue to AtE about it after they were dead posts like

I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

~~Math

to try and emotionally manipulate people into townreading them.

If a person, as scum, were to honestly build their entire case on another player around them having done something "stalker-level creepy" and persistently AtE about it, I would find that ludicrously obnoxious and would never want to play with that person again.

[Postie]

Now, I realise people may have other reasons for scumreading The DEO (zefiend's case was centred around the D1 push on SS), but I still think that even if scum!Math genuinely believed Lycan had been randomly trawling through their meta,

b) Continue to AtE about it after they were dead posts like

I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

~~Math

to try and emotionally manipulate people into townreading them.

this is still not a move I would expect them to pull.

[Postie]

I wasn't redirected either.

[Postie]

Wow town is literally eating themselves alive. I'll come back when you're all done and make a case on Gamma.

[Postie]

Gamma is town

You keep saying this but you still haven't given me any reason to believe it.

[Postie]

Lycan was clearly nightkilled.

[Postie]

I don't know but any speculation about him being lynched is dumb because he died during the night. He. Was. Nightkilled.

[Postie]

Oh I see what you're saying. Let me check his role again.

[Postie]

Okay yeah no. His role PM clearly specifies the delayed death only happens if he's killed at night, and he only gets to use his night action during the day/twilight if he's lynched. If he was daykilled he would have died instantly and we know he wasn't lynched. Either he was vanillised or we're overlooking something.

[Postie]

it says if he is lynched he can use his night actions

But he wasn't lynched!

[Postie]

Yeah I agree with you there. I thought you were trying to support Math's ridiculous tinfoil hat theory or something.
Likely scum have some kind of vanilliser. Idk and I'm not really sure what the point in discussing it to this extent is? We can't really know what went on.

[Postie]

Also, doesn't mhsmith usually post huge walls and obvtown himself? Why isn't he doing that here? Where is he?
I am concern.

[Postie]

I noticed it, which is why I speculated about a Strongman vig. I just didn't see much point in pursuing that line of thought.