Mini Normal 1861: Musical Mafia (TOWN WIN)

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VOTE: massive

I missed you buddy

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I'm already liking aj for town

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Yes, Cloud, we get it, I called you scum and I still don't think you're town. Why are you repeating it? Like literally what was the purpose of that wall?

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Not sure yet. I've played with Jin twice so far and from what I saw he's a bit weird/scummy in tone and playstyle so I can't read him until I've seen actual decisions from him.

@Culted : i am mentoring on another mafia site, this line could be added to my book of tells about how this is a clear cut really really common pattern from mafia to answer this kind of question, it keeps everything opens and looks like game solving when its not, its just refusing to answer

There's too little information for your tell to be valid

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I'm already liking aj for town

Anyway since the die seemed to be a dead end I'll have to start sniffing somewhere else. Can you elaborate on why that post seems to make AJ look town?

Pissing someone off is a good way to get out of rvs pretty quickly, and it's not done enough to be able to dismiss it as wine

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Culted, please remove your fos on everyone. It's making the vote counts hard to read.

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Cloud kicker

You bring up the fact that you have town slipped several times. Why do you think that couldn't have been faked by scum?

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Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*

And my vote is staying on you.

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I'd hope your interest would involve you posting some actual substance.

What kind of substance?

Like pointing out how you were just coaching your buddy a couple posts up and chainsawing me to distract town from voting him because you think I'm an easy target?

That kind of substance?

associatives dont work right now get real

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Everyone is so preoccupied about mafia faking slips and such

lol

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lol, that guy is saying im scum for calling myself town and doing a play ''no scum would REALLY do'', make sens

his intent to accuse you of intentionally shitting up the thread with wifom rung clear to me

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How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.

right now as in with no flips

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Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense

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114 leads me to believe cloudkicker is more concerned with being self-congratulatory than actually trying to prove they are town

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Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense

By 'his' in this post you mean Grey's read that AJ is scum partner? That seems to be the case but you could also be referring to a cloud read on AJ I'm not seeing.

Your first sentence clarifies my point. I don't understand your second one.

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Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense

By 'his' in this post you mean Grey's read that AJ is scum partner? That seems to be the case but you could also be referring to a cloud read on AJ I'm not seeing.

Hes talking about jin's read on me, saying that my play is too obnoxious to be mafia, but i am mafia for it because im too obnoxious to be mafia super wifom 360 no scope

Refer to the post above.

If you were to flip scum, that would implicate Aj by Grey's reasoning.

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Though honestly this is a pretty moot point to be talking about

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Psst, guys, jin doesn't want to address the pressure on him until there's an 'actual wagon'.

Who's down to figure out how many votes jin thinks a wagon is?

It sounded more to me like he didn't see any pressure, or at the very least, didn't want us to think he saw pressure.

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I'm not saying that you should flail all over the thread, but to engage people who're taking issue with your thought processes instead of pretending that they aren't there, then possibly make us aware of how you're reading these things.

Have any questions for me jin?

It sounds like you're obtusely encouraging jin to flail over the thread in this post

With current site meta your best bet really is to ignore scum reads on you unless there's something off on a really fundamental level

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His questions felt pointless, and that vote on Kairal was super bad.

You seem to be sheep voting with me which is pretty interesting after your 154 about sheeping

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Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*

And my vote is staying on you.

@minideathstar

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Current site meta is a myth. People have an individual meta, the game has it's own phases, but saying 'it's suddenly acceptable to be scummy as shit' defeats the entire purpose of the game. How the hell do you win a game when you rely on someone making a mistake that large?

Certainly even if such a thing did exist, 7 players have new accounts here (though I'm running on the assumption that Culted/Elhabe are alts) and I've missed 8 months of this meta. It's ridiculously inefficient to discount actual scumtells that we've used for years in the light of some fantasy where everyone is allowed to make them.

I have seen people being scum read for actively defending themselves in the past few games i have played. I wouldn't encourage someone to do it to any significant extent unless I wanted to get them lynched

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Very interested what it is about my vote that makes me scum. And no, 157 isn't even remotely close. And no, trying to push the town based on 157 with no additional reasons is practically bullshit.

How about the 135 you quoted in this exact post?

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And you seem to have made another vote for *reasons*

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Your interpretation of 94 is incorrect. And if you think RVS votes are actually random, then you are deceiving yourself, so what's the problem with 95?

Also, please quote the vote count and point out how many of those votes have actual reasons (including your own) and then maybe expound on why I specifically am the problem?

So why have you made yet another vote for *reasons*?

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Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.

Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".

Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's case

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Is the dictionary going to give me a scumread?

LMAO

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Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.

Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".

Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's case

Sheeping is following a leading vote with no reasoning like a flock to a shepard.

My intent was to clarify

Yours seems to be to disagree over something stupid

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Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.

Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".

Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's case

Sheeping is following a leading vote with no reasoning like a flock to a shepard.

My intent was to clarify

Yours seems to be to disagree over something stupid

I was adding my opinion to the conversation

There's plenty of places where your opinion mayyrrs

This isn't one of them

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No. Just blunt.

Im not impressed with your hard on for ck

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I'm torn more after thinking about it because I could have done better to make it a two way street but I mostly just wanted some interaction with him because his initial posts did ping me and some kind of reaction outside of a handwave would have been great. Like if someone doesn't understand your thought process on why you did something it's literally making the game harder for people like me who have a strong thirst for clarification.

Do you think the continuation of the mindset jin has shown from early game, where he stayed very neutral with his limited engagement up until now with posts like 165 and 177 where he shows about the same interest level (about zero) with having a conversation about the game isn't a valid concern at this point?

Because it's less about my concerns with him now and more about how there's no attempt at all to figure anything out, not just me, when there isn't anything a player can think to ask someone. There's no curiosity.

I disagree with your first paragraph and agree with the other two

There's a difference between clarification and defending

That being said (as I've highlighted already) Saj is doing very little

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That last post is addressed to Jin for context. Flubber why do you go from a series of posts that seem pretty anti- ck to snapping at Jin for voting him? Is this because you no longer suspect CK? None of your posts seem to indicate that shift.

Nothing in there suggests I scum read ck

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I'm "caught up" in that I've technically read it all but my brain is too fried rn for me to say I processed it.

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Fwiw I do think omega slipped but I'm not 100% we will have an accurate interpretation of how. I do think it is ethical to use his posts for reads but don't think it is worthwhile

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Directing power roles, SAUCY

Gross

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Anyway now that Cloud's gone it hardly seems fair to lynch Shadow for it. I'd like to see Newman's thoughts on other players. I guess Aj or Massive seem to be the two we're talking about now...

Players that replace in are responsible for the actions of their predecessor

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You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?

I'm gonna blow your mind here. If I don't explain blank votes, I never deceive you. WHOA MIND BLOWN

Well not deceiving by not saying anything sounds like loophole way to say you haven't decieved anyone

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You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?

I'm gonna blow your mind here. If I don't explain blank votes, I never deceive you. WHOA MIND BLOWN

I laughed. I'm still gonna vote you though since I feel unexplained votes are anti-town and you seem committed to not explaining them.

VOTE: massive

This less confusingly states my intentions

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I've said everything I have to say about massive for now.

Mini what do you think about Flubber? I think he hasn't contributed much so far, and that post attacking Jin was weird. Seems like he's in your top scum read. Did you see something I didn't?

You don't think tunneling on one person the whole game is a little strange?

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So I went from not *outrageously* scummy to the bottom of your scum list over one post you're just seeing now as opposed to the two times you iso'd me?

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So I uhhh

Stuck to my word

And that is scummy

Wheeee

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But you decided to declare it anti town well after you had seen it because?

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Not to mention your argument encourages tvt which is the pinnacle of pro town behavior

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If you wanted to argue theory you shouldn't have done it when you decided you wanted to make a push

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Your argument boils down to the fact that I don't cry when people scum read me and thats pretty laughable thing to push

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Ignore reads on me = not crying when I'm scum read

Not only am I scum hunting you right now, I started the massive wagon too

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You fucked your reads up and you're not going to be able to backpedal to have it make sense no matter how hard you tried

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Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*

And my vote is staying on you.

look at how random my vote is everyone

LOOK AT IT

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you are lying in plain sight and i have no fucking clue why you don't think anyone would see it

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I KNOW RIGHT

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You voted him during the RVS with no bloody evidence and you still credit yourself with "starting his wagon".

Like, it's not like I even care who started the wagon. It just boggles me why you keep bringing it up, as if you're trying to squeeze out some town credit in case he flips scum.

Is it because you *know* he is scum?

Yes, I was making the first accusations on him. You're accusing me of not scumhunting when I began voting him for the same reason you did later

Also, you blatantly lied. And it shows that you thought you would get away with it because you're AGAIN trying to handwave when I began to have an actual scumread on massive.

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Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*

And my vote is staying on you.

look at how random my vote is everyone

LOOK AT IT

TBF, your push is a softball that could have easily been defended by pointing out how scum is more likely to be concerned about appearances than town.

It's not like you caught him with a smoking gun.

tbf nobody has a smoking gun on page 6

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The reason why I'm iffy on it is because Flub could have quoted a number of other posts as evidence for his scumhunting, but he was specifically anchored on that *one* post and brought it up several times. It kind of looks like he wants bussing to pay off, if he's indeed bussing.

Because you voted him for similar reasons that I did and claimed for that to be your own independent thought. So you literally can't accuse me of not scum hunting without blaming yourself the same way

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Kids are watching this Mini! We can't have those kind of flubs. *Turns to Camera* Anyone who gets the highest votes is just going home kids, so you don't you worry!

Going off the island sounds great until we realize we're all clones

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The fact that people can't even agree on what the mod confirmed shows how stupid it is to argue that the mod confirmed anything

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That being said I do think that trying to read the mod is coming from a town mindet

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Prodge. Finals

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Ughhhh I just reread some of the thread from the beginning and seeing CloudKaflooey again made me instantly regret it.

Anyway, Flub, I did vote massive for slightly different reasons, mostly because he was voting an obvtown person (rather than an 'unexplained' vote), but like, okay, we got it, you were scumhunting and I was wrong about that. There, happy?

Your push reeks of covering up what you thought would provide for an easy lynch

So no I am not happy

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LOL, yeah Mini, I'm terrified of you.

You guys are so caught up in the "mafiascum meta" that your posts all sound so robotic, and the same. Half the time, I have to double check the username, just to remind myself who's talking. I'm sorry that I post differently than you guys, and by extension seem scummy to you. Sorry, shouldn't say "scummy" because that apparently makes me look bad too.

I'm real simple. I call it as I see it. If y'all don't like that, or think that makes me scum, then vote me.

Jfc

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I only got to read two pages so I'm up to 24

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You know on second thought that might be a bit overaggressive. In any case, you need to re-assess me Kairal, and you need to let go of this "not explaining your vote is anti-town" stance because you're going to find a LOT of players who won't and who will further demand that you follow them based solely on their reputation. I'm voting who I think is scum. End of story.

So uh a lot of players are anti town

Why is this okay and why does it excuse your play

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Scum can be paranoid. They have to worry about looking town. If anything town aren't paranoid because you don't need to fake looking town.

I think this is a legit scumslip because town doesn't need to even think about looking town, let alone worry about how they can fake it.

Looking town is something that comes solely from a scum mindset.

Io basing their paranoia argument on looking town instead of reading scum is scum-driven.

VOTE: Io

No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

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One other thing I'd care to have before this day ends is from Flubber

Flubber, who else do you suspect besides massive?

MDS, SAJ, maybe Grey

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

If they twist definitions to fit into a scum mindset, then yes I'll lynch them over it.

As opposed to you twisting definitions to fit a scum read?

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

If they twist definitions to fit into a scum mindset, then yes I'll lynch them over it.

As opposed to you twisting definitions to fit a scum read?

All me when I've done that.

And we now have gone full circle through the pointlessness of your pedantry. Am I supposed to know how you define and see the world without knowing you?

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

If they twist definitions to fit into a scum mindset, then yes I'll lynch them over it.

As opposed to you twisting definitions to fit a scum read?

All me when I've done that.

Guys, either scum read one another or dont and stop arguing. If this is TvT then it does nothing to actually further the game, i am politely asking you to focus.

Grey is playing in a way that makes his intentions ambiguous and that needed to be highlighted

You have again made a post more meaningless than the ones you are calling out.

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Though in light of what I said, Grey why are you even going to argue with me if your intent is just to bicker?

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

If they twist definitions to fit into a scum mindset, then yes I'll lynch them over it.

As opposed to you twisting definitions to fit a scum read?

All me when I've done that.

And we now have gone full circle through the pointlessness of your pedantry. Am I supposed to know how you define and see the world without knowing you?

Nor should you act as if you do.

I will explicitly state my point

Your idea that someone is scum over how they use one or two words is shit

It is also the perfect way to play if you can't formulate a meaningful read

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No no no no No fucking NO

I really can't belive you guys are arguing like you can only be paranoid of one single thing in the world

If you're going to quote my post, try to make yours relevant to what I said in that post.

Stop fighting with people because the way they define words doesn't have your seal of approval

If they twist definitions to fit into a scum mindset, then yes I'll lynch them over it.

As opposed to you twisting definitions to fit a scum read?

All me when I've done that.

And we now have gone full circle through the pointlessness of your pedantry. Am I supposed to know how you define and see the world without knowing you?

Nor should you act as if you do.

I will explicitly state my point

Your idea that someone is scum over how they use one or two words is shit

It is also the perfect way to play if you can't formulate a meaningful read

I will explicitly state my point.

You not liking my point doesn't nullify it.

Arguing with me without even attempting to understand me is not going to sway me to your point of view.

Now piss off, in done with you.

Really? If there was something I didn't understand you surely would have caught it as soon as I accused you of being pedantic (ie meaningless)?

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You know on second thought that might be a bit overaggressive. In any case, you need to re-assess me Kairal, and you need to let go of this "not explaining your vote is anti-town" stance because you're going to find a LOT of players who won't and who will further demand that you follow them based solely on their reputation. I'm voting who I think is scum. End of story.

So uh a lot of players are anti town

Why is this okay and why does it excuse your play

I'm not saying it's ok nor am I trying to "excuse" my play. I don't have any issue with my play.

How can you not have issue with something that isn't okay?

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I think there's a far cry from what I said in my quoted piece (let's say, for example, like RadiantCowbells) and what I am doing here. Trying to equate the two gets you zero reading comprehension points.

I said nothing about toxicity so I have no idea what equivalence you are trying to find here

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I still see your argument as "other people do it so I can too"

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Both those roles are still pretty powerful in the presence of a cop

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VOTE: massive

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Two votes all game. Massive in post 10 and now Massive here. I need more than this. Based on the flips, who else do you think is scum with Massive?

Both of the flips were lynchbait so I can't see much to analyze from it.

I think MDS Saj and massive are scum. Why should the flips discredit that?

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VOTE: Saj

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Jin is the biggest lynchbait I've ever seen on this site. He almost got lynched as a claimed mason, and he got lynched as a (pretty obvious) villager in a LYLO recently. You flub were in one of those games, so you should know that.

Also there is something to analyse from Io's wagon but I don't have time atm.

This doesn't excuse his play. It just means scum are more likely to bus

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Exactly what does this scumteam gain from massive turning on his universally townread partner at the worst possible moment? Getting himself lynched? I didn't really need the towncredit from that. Getting me lynched? That's obviously bad, and the most it could do would be chain a next day lynch onto Shadow because of the "mod confirmed alignment" bs. Shadow is lynchbaity anyway. As for Jin, uhm. Doesn't exactly have a stellar record with being townread. If anyone had to be bussed, it would've been him.

What I'm saying is, making fantasy teams like that without a scumflip is an utter waste of time. A big part of being scum is creating false associations and you should know this. You're not that new to mafia.

You're either criticizing me for not using pre flipped associatives, or you know a LOT more about the scum team than you should.

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Obviously your fantasy scum team makes no sense because I'm on it and I'm town. But even assuming I'm scum, it still makes no sense and I explained why.

It's counterproductive to speculate on scum pairs without knowing at least one scum and you know that. You have a decent chance of being wrong about one scumread, and even a bigger chance of being wrong about two. This is without mentioning that scum deliberately play in a way to hide their connections and create false associations with townies. I'm not scumreading you for dreaming up teams, but I don't think it's in any way helpful, especially since you're wrong.

Where have I ever said I have these reads as some sort of and interwoven scum team

These are independent reads and I have no clue what the fuck you're going on about

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Lulz.

VOTE: Jin

I mean it's good that you're voting my scum read but I'm actually curious why you didn't like what jin said

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VOTE: MDS

Still sticking to my suspicions from before + her vca is awful

@Aj how is massive, who has avoided lynch for three days now, an easy push?

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Never mind that, after spending two days voting for me, why are you suddenly willing to switch to my biggest scumread from those two days?

What do your scum reads have to do with mine?

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Why do you want me to waste a third day pushing for your lynch when we've seen from experience it probably won't go through?

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*groan*

Considering how poorly executed the vca is, I would assume that Mini is pointing to two townies in it

Why does this matter considering MDS hasn't flipped?

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Does that tentative supposition (MiniDeathStar is Mafia trying to unfairly implicate culted and I Am Innocent, who are both Town), match your independent reads?

Yes

Most of their scum reads come from awkward activity, which makes sense considering the holidays

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Why is it awful? And do you have any better?

Let's start with the fact that it consists of two posts. That BARELY shows a pattern of behavior

Now let's add the idea that hammering someone and then starting a new wagon points to scum. You really expect us to just look at the votes you highlighted and believe that?

While we're at it, can you point out the pattern in 973?

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Why do you want me to waste a third day pushing for your lynch when we've seen from experience it probably won't go through?

The other people who pushed it were Grey (dead) and MDS. I'm just curious why MDS doesn't at least get the benefit of "the enemy of my enemy" here.

So one of the proponents of the wagon is dead and

that's

why it's a good idea to push you again? Am I reading this right?

I'm not sure what you mean with your enemy of my enemy thing

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Most of their scum reads come from awkward activity, which makes sense considering the holidays

I'm not certain that I understand this one. Could you rephrase?

As in, they were laying low but still around to resolve lynches

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Considering you are still alive it's a good possibility. Also I didn't just start scumreading MDS today.

I still have no clue why Grey being dead means I should push for you to end up not getting lynched

again

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Also, considering neither of you have flipped, why should your two interactions change my reads when their basis has nothing to do with your interactions to each other anyway?

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I've stated more on my MDS scum read than you have your scum read on me

I'll dig actual posts up when I don't have to phone post. But a LOT of my d2 play calls out her scum read on me as an attempt at a cheap shot that backfired.

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Most of their scum reads come from awkward activity, which makes sense considering the holidays

I'm not certain that I understand this one. Could you rephrase?

As in, they were laying low but still around to resolve lynches

Sorry, I just to make sure that I understand. You are saying:

• that culted and I Am Innocent are Town
  
• that some people expressed suspicion of them because of their seeming inactivity
  
• that their seeming inactivity is due to the holidays and therefore not suspicious

Is that correct?

Yes

More importantly, MDS's push from this angle is less than impressive.

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I'm going to scream

Massive has had nothing but insane amounts of resistance to his wagon and you still found a way to say "yep if you squint hard enough it actually means he's town"

Idgi man

Idgi

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So I went from not *outrageously* scummy to the bottom of your scum list over one post you're just seeing now as opposed to the two times you iso'd me?

So I uhhh

Stuck to my word

And that is scummy

Wheeee

But you decided to declare it anti town well after you had seen it because?

Not to mention your argument encourages tvt which is the pinnacle of pro town behavior

If you wanted to argue theory you shouldn't have done it when you decided you wanted to make a push

Your argument boils down to the fact that I don't cry when people scum read me and thats pretty laughable thing to push

Ignore reads on me = not crying when I'm scum read

Not only am I scum hunting you right now, I started the massive wagon too

You fucked your reads up and you're not going to be able to backpedal to have it make sense no matter how hard you tried

Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*

And my vote is staying on you.

look at how random my vote is everyone

LOOK AT IT

you are lying in plain sight and i have no fucking clue why you don't think anyone would see it

You voted him during the RVS with no bloody evidence and you still credit yourself with "starting his wagon".

Like, it's not like I even care who started the wagon. It just boggles me why you keep bringing it up, as if you're trying to squeeze out some town credit in case he flips scum.

Is it because you *know* he is scum?

Yes, I was making the first accusations on him. You're accusing me of not scumhunting when I began voting him for the same reason you did later

Also, you blatantly lied. And it shows that you thought you would get away with it because you're AGAIN trying to handwave when I began to have an actual scumread on massive.

The reason why I'm iffy on it is because Flub could have quoted a number of other posts as evidence for his scumhunting, but he was specifically anchored on that *one* post and brought it up several times. It kind of looks like he wants bussing to pay off, if he's indeed bussing.

Because you voted him for similar reasons that I did and claimed for that to be your own independent thought. So you literally can't accuse me of not scum hunting without blaming yourself the same way

Ughhhh I just reread some of the thread from the beginning and seeing CloudKaflooey again made me instantly regret it.

Anyway, Flub, I did vote massive for slightly different reasons, mostly because he was voting an obvtown person (rather than an 'unexplained' vote), but like, okay, we got it, you were scumhunting and I was wrong about that. There, happy?

Your push reeks of covering up what you thought would provide for an easy lynch

So no I am not happy

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I'm sorry for the quote wall but I'm not trying to spoiler that over phone

14 posts detailing why I think MDS is scum

Although not cited, I know for a fact I have put MDS explicitly as scum in a list of reads. Probably several times.

Massive is pulling off a pathetic straw grasp and I can't wait to hear about it's town with a push going against the grain or some other bullshit

Honestly while we're at it, he's also voting for me without an actual scum read on me and I'm too apathetic towards it to be shouting you all down about it the way I should be

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How the fuck do you get "hyper reaction" out of "apathetic"

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VOTE: massive

I'm not moving my vote.

Pedit PATHETIC. I SAID PATHETIC. LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, WHICH IS ALSO FUCKING PATHETIC

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Honestly while we're at it, he's also voting for me without an actual scum read on me and I'm too

apathetic

towards it to be shouting you all down about it the way I should be

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I've only attacked your play in a non discriminatory way so I have no clue what you're going on about

You can't play this poorly, piss someone off on it, and then expect it to pass as some sort of poe reaction test...thing.

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So me bolding the word "apathetic" was in anticipation of someone saying I was trying to backtrack with one word over the other. It had nothing to do with the threat of a mod replace. I've also said why your mod replace didn't scare me.

My point that this reaction test thing you're doing makes no sense still holds.

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Also I looked at the page you linked and suggest everyone else does too because it will take less than five minutes. Are you really comparing a force replace threat over activity to whatever you're trying to do here?

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I don't need to go vla but I need to reset my prod timer. Should be back by Sunday.

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Okay I'm catching up

Aj, you said you wanted to start looking at me after massives claim and then proceded to start looking elsewhere. Why is that?

Karial, why do you suggest Naomi could still be scum who was cleared by massive without dismissing massives claim?

UNVOTE: massive

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Finished the first seven pages. Kairal and Flubbernugget are townreads. Naomi's slot and AJ are scumreads. I also don't buy massive's claim. Even night cop and odd night cop together are too convenient and I'm not sure why everyone else is. It's far more overpowered than a regular cop because that would be two additional people that the scum need to kill other than the confirmed innocents. I also don't think odd-night cop, even-night cop, and JK all exist in the game.

Today is the day before lylo (in the event we mislynch). So, we should mass-claim. I also think having confirmed town decide the order is optimal strategy not to mention more efficient. I think we should go in the order of Naomi -> AJ -> Dierfire/Culted/IAI -> Kairal -> Flubbernugget.

I reflected your sentiments wrt to the balance of this setup but there's a similar one in the normal queue that just made it to completion so meh

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I'm going to catch up again tonight.

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Iai I am interested as to why you see Karai as town because right now they are literally saying stuff discrediting it and then play plopping a vote out with all of 0 commitment.

With threats of self hammering I withold my vote until blackstar catches up

Also I am VT

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Iai I am interested as to why you see Karai as town because right now they are literally saying stuff discrediting it and then play plopping a vote out with all of 0 commitment.

With threats of self hammering I withold my vote until blackstar catches up

Also I am VT

Not that I'm encouraging you to vote kairal with that looming threat, but if that is where your vote is headed, you must read kairal as scum so why would you 1) believe scum kairal to self hammer and 2) care if scum kairal self hammered?

You're joking right?

We had a confirmed townie want to catch up. What's the best way to stop that from happening?

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Yes I agree that Flubber is probably a better bet- incidentally he's obviously given up. He's barely posted today choosing instead to allow culted and AJ to be his white knights. Please place your vote. if we get Flubber to 4 I think massive might move his.

So my activity dropped starting last Wednesday due to a head injury (If the mod allows I'll post. It's not horrible but gore is subjective), and around the time I got around to getting back here massive had claimed. I think it's reasonable to feel lost and discouraged when you've been wrong the entire game.

I'll admit I skim a lot of Aj's longer posts but I've myself in his scum list a couple times already.

VOTE: Kairal

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Iai,

Look at how Kairal keeps backtracking over arguments. Are you really going to say that's town because their votes were all over the place?

What happened to people laughing down "too scummy to be scum"

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Please start voting, town

Freudian slip

I can't believe you actually tried that. I really, really can't.

Blatant misrep. Aj confirmed scum.

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There was a blitz game I played a while ago where I got lost with my reads as scum in lylo and I tried to cover it up by starting over with vca so yeah I'm less than impressed if that's all you've got

Pedit it was a joke you fucking morons just like 99% of the the reads people base off of slips

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Karial, why would you think if I genuinely saw a reason that Aj was confirmed scum I wouldn't vote for them?

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culted, full list of reads please.

Maybe it's because I think the way you're looking at voting patterns is complete crap but I'm not impressed by you dismissing culted as throwing shade.

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I'm inclined to believe Karial is town and AJ was feeding into their poor play to waste time.

Naomi is seriously trying to doubt that massive is a cop...just like Aj. I suspect this could have been a pivotal point of the scum strategy that didn't pan out the way they wanted it to.

I'm starting to warm up to IaI's scum read on culted. His defense of me seemed kinda weird, but I pretty much blew it off due to me knowing I'm town anyway.

Also, I would at least expect a POE this far in the game to explain a vote.

VOTE: culted

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1) what exactly was your town case on jin?

2) why is this protecting scum instead of a wk? Culted was attracting too much suspicion to make defending a scum buddy a reasonable play

3) This is very blatantly a game with poor town play. Massive cost town a lot of decent interactions by playing with so suspiciously, you wasted about 5 pages crying to a scum slot, the pacing of the game is apathetic drivel, so saying anything along the lines of "town doesn't play this poorly" and only pointing to one person is a shit argument and in addition...

4)...you just accused me of being scum for contradicting scum and are now accusing me of being scum for voting with them.

5) scum was taking your points head on (particularly Aj who's wagon was extremely last minute) so the pressure you're seeing only exists within your own ego/confirmation bias

6) it's almost like my top two scum reads ended up being confirmed town so I had to regain my footing and we were to far in the game to try and re read

7) @mod if I send you a link to the picture of my head injury can you determine if it's an obscene post?

8) this proves their reads were genuine but doesn't mean they're any better than guesses (particularly from io)

9) I can't speak to why culted voted for me but from wk to vote deserves a vote of itself and I stand by that

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VOTE: dier

I have town reads on everyone else