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Post Post #19 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:34 am

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VOTE: infinity
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Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:18 pm

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Dead off the bat, not a good start for a large theme...
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Post Post #81 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:08 am

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In post 36, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 30, SirCakez wrote:Dead off the bat, not a good start for a large theme...
So you're Leia, then?

#Too soon

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Indeed too soon

VOTE: titus
A commune with spirits lead me to this vote
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Post Post #86 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:39 am

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In post 82, Heartless wrote:go on...
Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

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Post Post #94 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 89, Desperado wrote:
In post 86, SirCakez wrote:Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.
I never understand stuff like this. If trying too hard is evidently scummy, why would Titus think that it's going to build towncred?
Because some people do buy into it, and Titus is active/strong enough to push around those who don't
In post 92, Heartless wrote:
In post 86, SirCakez wrote:
In post 82, Heartless wrote:go on...
Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

Hope you get better soon Aero
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In post 93, Heartless wrote:what are the spirits telling you about pine or prettyprincess?
They have not communicated with me again yet
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Post Post #112 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:07 pm

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I assume it's 13 v 4 like Firebringer's last 17 player large theme.

In other news I reconnected with the spirits and they've tentatively told me that the Piper and Princess are town and that alban is scummy (i;e I reread the game to answer Heartless's question and noticed that alban was sort of dodging the Titus issue on page 2 which doesn't look good).
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Post Post #119 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:30 pm

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In post 113, Pine wrote:Well, 13 v 4 also had a number of quirks. First, it was a very low-power scumteam. We had a 1-shot strongman, plus a group power we could activate to get one of three 1-shots, though that also gave Town a 1-shot. Plus, one of our team was a Lover with Town, which is a negative utility role. So I don't know; I could buy a 14:3 from Firebringer in a power-heavy game, he likes his scumteams relatively weak.
Yeah it could depend on power levels. Like in dragon age we only had 4 scum vs 16 town which was rough.
I think Fire generally tends to lean more scum then less though.

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Post Post #124 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:49 pm

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I am feeling very....sassy lately
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Post Post #137 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:59 am

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Alban it was on page two. BB and Kling didn't post until a good while later so they might have just skimmed over. But there were only two pages when you posted so you definitely deliberately ignored it.
And I agree with LUV you're overreacting. I don't remember 1706.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #9) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:10 am

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In post 138, alban wrote:You are correct in assuming that I ignored it. You are wrong in assuming that it was deliberate.

PS. It will be nice if people don't speak for each other this early. Since it's early for either Infinity or Lil to know about Cakez's alignment, I wish you guys would have first heard him out before reaching out. Who knows, maybe he would have said something that would have given you a clue or two about him as well.
How could you have missed it though? There were only two pages, not like a 100 page catchup or anything.
In post 140, Titus wrote:
In post 126, Infinity 324 wrote:It's because it was a major issue you didn't address
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a major issue.

In fact, I find it pretty telling that people are suggesting I am "trying too hard" for highlighting your awkward push on Pine. Yet, no one comments on you trying to steer RVS?

When you eventually saw my points, you immediately jumped back to Pine. It sounds like you are trying to control the thread through volume and dictate no one talk about you.
Don't ignore me Titus
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What is the question you're asking?
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Post Post #183 (isolation #10) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:13 pm

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In post 167, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:@SirCakez, this chain of events right here. For context the counterwagon was started with you. I'm curious as to what Infinity said that made you want to vote him?
In post 17, Infinity 324 wrote:Don't like this counterwagon shit
In post 18, Infinity 324 wrote:You could even say I have a bad feeling about this
In post 19, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: infinity
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That was RVS, not anything serious.
In post 172, Nero Cain wrote:As much as I'd love to kill Titus before she fucks over town I have a slight feeling that Infinity is white knighting her.
I don't see why Infinity would WK Titus as scum here. Much easier to just jump on the train on her, no?
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Post Post #184 (isolation #11) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:13 pm

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I just went and checked out AJ's ISO in response to 182 and yah it's junk
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Post Post #186 (isolation #12) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:25 pm

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Good point.
I would like to see her address my accusation of her.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:29 pm

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In post 192, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 186, SirCakez wrote:Good point.
You've played with her and you didn't know that?
I forgot, I haven't played with her in a while.

@Titus
In post 86, SirCakez wrote:
In post 82, Heartless wrote:go on...
Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

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Post Post #197 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:31 pm

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Post Post #198 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:32 pm

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How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
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Post Post #210 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:49 pm

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In post 202, Titus wrote:
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
There is no such thing as trying to hard. I'm always full tilt. You should know this by now. You also don't seem to be reassessing this claim in light of other conversations going on. I did quote and explain how I caught scum by post 30 before, and went too hard. I was town there. I only come with Full Tilt or IRL. Why are you repeating what is said?
There is definitely such a thing as trying too hard. It might be NAI for you though, thinking back on it.
But your other posting isn't giving me the town!Titus vibes I expect.
In post 204, Nero Cain wrote: How do you like being a stormtrooper, Cakes?
If I was I would hate it, I hate being scum lol.

P-edit: Ya VCA is awful. Almost won scum the game in Walking Dead Season 1 Finale.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:28 pm

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In post 212, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 210, SirCakez wrote:If I was I would hate it, I hate being scum lol.
I am pretty sure that you said somewhere that you actually like playing as scum the most.
That was a year ago, b4 I started getting lynched day 1 or 2 CONSTANTLY
I almost never make it to endgame
In post 215, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: sircakez

He's been playing kinda safe so far, the only real original line he brought up was the thing about alban, and the response to nero's question feels fake.
What feels fake about it?
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In post 198, SirCakez wrote:What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
to get townread. because we're in a real game where everyone actually cares about their images (regardless of what they say) and not in an md thread where "lolz townies shouldn't care"
That's the exception rather then the norm, and I wouldn't expect a veteran like Titus to do it for towncred. I have dropped that point anyway.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:46 pm

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In post 232, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 230, SirCakez wrote:What feels fake about it?
This is a throwaway response

Like how the hell am I supposed to answer that question
Like what the hell was fake about my response to Nero? Why would I even fake that?
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In post 230, SirCakez wrote:That was a year ago, b4 I started getting lynched day 1 or 2 CONSTANTLY
I almost never make it to endgame
Why did that make you change your preferred alignment?
Because when i get lynched as scum I feel like a failure while when I get mislynched I can at least know it wasn't entirely my fault
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In post 198, SirCakez wrote:How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
I can think of three or reasons four.
you have never seen, town do this before?
I already addressed this earlier
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Post Post #257 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:16 pm

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In post 245, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 242, SirCakez wrote:Like what the hell was fake about my response to Nero? Why would I even fake that?
Scum get self conscious when asked certain questions, if that's the case you prob couldn't help it
This avoids the question
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In post 242, SirCakez wrote:
Drunken Piper wrote:
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
I can think of three or reasons four.
you have never seen, town do this before?
I already addressed this earlier

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Post Post #260 (isolation #20) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:07 pm

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In post 230, SirCakez wrote:
In post 212, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 210, SirCakez wrote:If I was I would hate it, I hate being scum lol.
I am pretty sure that you said somewhere that you actually like playing as scum the most.
That was a year ago, b4 I started getting lynched day 1 or 2 CONSTANTLY
I almost never make it to endgame
In post 215, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: sircakez

He's been playing kinda safe so far, the only real original line he brought up was the thing about alban, and the response to nero's question feels fake.
What feels fake about it?
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In post 198, SirCakez wrote:What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
to get townread. because we're in a real game where everyone actually cares about their images (regardless of what they say) and not in an md thread where "lolz townies shouldn't care"
That's the exception rather then the norm, and I wouldn't expect a veteran like Titus to do it for towncred. I have dropped that point anyway.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:06 pm

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Someone hasn't posted while on V/LA? Must be scum...
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Post Post #279 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:47 pm

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In post 265, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 264, SirCakez wrote:Someone hasn't posted while on V/LA? Must be scum...
Wasn't what I was implying...

Ari tends to lurk as scum and I was suggesting to PP if they would like to see if this is him pulling that once him and TB come back.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:21 am

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Spoiler:
In post 281, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 198, SirCakez wrote:How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
Cakez, I'm concerned about your question as it's feels like a loaded one. Correct me if I'm wrong but you're asking why a townie should act...townie.

It just feels like you're saying people aren't acting scummy and you want them too.

/Gin
Yeah I'm dumping this point. I was wrong I think, too much evidence to the contrary.
In post 285, PrettyPrincess wrote:"Confirmed" is used by newer (read: bad) players the way that millennials use "literally"
As a millennial this both offends me and is also probably true
In post 292, Heartless wrote:
In post 279, SirCakez wrote:
In post 265, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 264, SirCakez wrote:Someone hasn't posted while on V/LA? Must be scum...
Wasn't what I was implying...

Ari tends to lurk as scum and I was suggesting to PP if they would like to see if this is him pulling that once him and TB come back.
Not you, Heartless's

LUV is pinging me
the SAAAAAAASS

i only saw the v/la post after i flipped the page from fire's prod post.

ari still has a reputation for being a lurksack as scum so i don't know why you would go out of your way to give me shit for that.
I'm aware of Ari's lurking as scum, I just wanted to make a joke.
In post 298, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 257, SirCakez wrote:This avoids the question
No it doesn't. You asked why you would fake your response, I said you probably couldn't help but fake it.
Not that, the "what is fake about it?" that was the initial question.

Nero scumreading me is unsurprising, probably town really as I think he'd want to keep me around for a later mislynch as scum
LUV's "I read his ISO and older games and don't think this is town!cakez" is total bullshit though, especially since it came right after I said he was pinging me
Molla's naked voting is shity too but iirc Molla never explains things
Princess's complete lack of game awareness with their vote on me for Rogue Leader is odd but I want to say it's derptown, as I think scum wouldn't want to stick out so much with trying to put someone being wagoned in a power position
I'm not really scumreading Titus anymore (she's null now) so

VOTE: AJ

P-edit: Hi TTH! I'm not avoiding you guys, I just didn't think to ask about your Princess read. TBH I can't remember why I was town reading them which isn't really a good sign so I'm going to reread them and Klingon since Klingon is being wagoned and I have no read there.
My LUV scumread was initially from how it feels like he's following the crowd (sheeping my alban scumread, sheeping a vote for Infinity rogue leader, sheeping Molla on Piper's post restriction being annoying) and then jumping to respond to a joke that wasn't aimed at him felt weird. And then his vote with some really weak reasons on me is terrible.

VOTE: AJ
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Post Post #340 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:29 am

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Klingon avoiding any real discussion with her entrance then dumping reads and running with a prodge is scummy yeah. Adding her to my scumreads.

OK I remember why I town read Princess now. The "don't start with the VCA fight" felt genuine (it's something I dislike too), and his entrance was very relaxed and unscummy, not uptight like Klingon's was. And now like I said earlier, his Rogue Leader vote on me seems like derptown.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:32 am

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TIL fakeness is a gut thing
What issues?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:45 am

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I didn't remember why I initially town read her, that doesn't mean I can't say something new that made me town read her.
Because saving an easy mislynch for later on is better for scum, so that they still have viable mislynches after potentially being whittled down.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 345, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah but why you it be worrying if you found a second reason to townread her?

Also unless scum could get a difficult lynch on d1 easier than later on it doesn't really matter what order things go in.
What worrying? I wanted to reestablish why I was initially town reading her since that's what Heartless asked about.

That's what Im saying, scum could get a more difficult mislynch now since later on some of them might be dead.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:26 am

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I would <.<
I feel like no matter what I say you're gonna keep scumreading me anyway tho
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Post Post #365 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:49 am

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Spoiler:
In post 354, Infinity 324 wrote:Well

That's why I asked for anyone else
Riiight.
In post 355, Titus wrote:
In post 353, SirCakez wrote:I would <.<
I feel like no matter what I say you're gonna keep scumreading me anyway tho
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Don't play the pity me card. I will vote you on principle. Fibd scum. Not this vote the popular wagon crap.
I wasn't trying to get pity, I was telling off Infinity for acting like what I answered would actually affect his opinions
And I'm voting AJ, who is definitely not a popular wagon right now
In post 356, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 328, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 310, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah after a review of his ISO and just from rereading old games I don't think this is town!SC.

VOTE: SirCakez
Can you carry on this train of thought? Anyone can read and it doesn't tell us much, I want to know what stood out to you and made you think "scum"

/Gin
I'm scum reading SC because I found that he's not really taking any initiative and his case on Titus is poor.

Take his for example where he described the game state. Instead of making an effort to change it, he simply just sulks and calls it dead. Prior to that post, PP had suggested that we should talk about who to vote for Rouge Leader and Titus casts a naked voted for Infinity. Those posts were things he could have commented on if he found the game was dead.

In his and , he seems to be hinting that he has a scum read on AJ and me, but doesn't follow up at all with his suspicions.
Ok yes I could have done more to lift the game state when it was dead, I admit.
But how can you say I haven't followed up my AJ suspicions? I'm voting him.
I didn't pay much attention to it the first time but after a reread I noticed how awkward he was when he voted for Titus in . I'm not sure if was a hint at a role or what but it read to me like he was trying to play his vote off as a joke because he either had a very weak reason or one that he thought wouldn't be too convincing if people questioned him on why he voted for her. The reasoning for the vote is also pretty bad. Effort is NAI and trying too hard can easily come from town who want to work with people they town read or have people sheep their reads because they are confident in them.
The spirits thing was a joke. Why can't I make a joke while making a serious vote?
The "effort is NAI" thing I've already spent a while arguing over, and I've realized it's wrong since.
-snip big quote-

A couple of your points are blatant misrepresentation.

1.) I'm not scum reading Alban and I never was. He's been null for me since the start.
2.)The joke you made about v/LA wasn't clear who it was directed towards.
3.) I didn't give more than one reason prior to this post for why I'm voting for you.
-Your "you're overreacting" post aimed at alban was definitely implying a scumread
-I thought it was, but I'm biased since I asked so I'll leave you alone on that.
-You gave "Yeah after a review of his ISO and just from rereading old games I don't think this is town!SC."
Which is presumably meta and a dislike of some kind of my posts (???). So two reasons, if you will. Not really a big deal, but both of those reasons suck without being backed up.


Also, Alban's recent posts read like scum fluffing trying to avoid producing serious content
alban wrote:
In post 144, Heartless wrote:alban, which alignment do you prefer to play?
Most definitely town.

But I am good as scum too. In the two games I was scum, I won one, and in the other I was unfortunately night-killed by the serial killer :( but had I been alive, I wouldn't be caught I think. Gin was a part of it.

There was one more on one other site which went terribly for me coz I misunderstood the rules of the greater mafia set-up. I unfortunately revealed something which caught up to me, all coz it was my first time playing that set-up and coz mod didn't get back to me about my queries.

In short, I am comf-ier playing town, but I could turn out to be a sly mafia. I have a guilty conscience as mafia which I think reflects in my posts and makes my posts appear pretty town-like. Also probably coz people think I am too dumb to be a mafia :facepalm: Usual suspects kinda scenario I guess. Which helps me escape lynches effectively.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:32 am

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In post 366, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 365, SirCakez wrote:Riiight.
What's wrong for asking if someone else wants me to elaborate so I don't get into a huge useless back and forth
It's not really wrong, just annoying.
"I don't want to talk to you about the big post you made, but I'd love to talk to anyone else about it!"
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Post Post #373 (isolation #31) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:00 am

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In post 371, Infinity 324 wrote:@cakez Trust me, it'd be more annoying the other way.
I'd rather talk to you about it then have you hold it over my head and refuse to discuss it.
In post 372, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 365, SirCakez wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 354, Infinity 324 wrote:Well

That's why I asked for anyone else
Riiight.
In post 355, Titus wrote:
In post 353, SirCakez wrote:I would <.<
I feel like no matter what I say you're gonna keep scumreading me anyway tho
@infinity
Don't play the pity me card. I will vote you on principle. Fibd scum. Not this vote the popular wagon crap.
I wasn't trying to get pity, I was telling off Infinity for acting like what I answered would actually affect his opinions
And I'm voting AJ, who is definitely not a popular wagon right now
In post 356, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 328, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 310, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah after a review of his ISO and just from rereading old games I don't think this is town!SC.

VOTE: SirCakez
Can you carry on this train of thought? Anyone can read and it doesn't tell us much, I want to know what stood out to you and made you think "scum"

/Gin
I'm scum reading SC because I found that he's not really taking any initiative and his case on Titus is poor.

Take his for example where he described the game state. Instead of making an effort to change it, he simply just sulks and calls it dead. Prior to that post, PP had suggested that we should talk about who to vote for Rouge Leader and Titus casts a naked voted for Infinity. Those posts were things he could have commented on if he found the game was dead.

In his and , he seems to be hinting that he has a scum read on AJ and me, but doesn't follow up at all with his suspicions.
Ok yes I could have done more to lift the game state when it was dead, I admit.
But how can you say I haven't followed up my AJ suspicions? I'm voting him.
I didn't pay much attention to it the first time but after a reread I noticed how awkward he was when he voted for Titus in . I'm not sure if was a hint at a role or what but it read to me like he was trying to play his vote off as a joke because he either had a very weak reason or one that he thought wouldn't be too convincing if people questioned him on why he voted for her. The reasoning for the vote is also pretty bad. Effort is NAI and trying too hard can easily come from town who want to work with people they town read or have people sheep their reads because they are confident in them.
The spirits thing was a joke. Why can't I make a joke while making a serious vote?
The "effort is NAI" thing I've already spent a while arguing over, and I've realized it's wrong since.
-snip big quote-

A couple of your points are blatant misrepresentation.

1.) I'm not scum reading Alban and I never was. He's been null for me since the start.
2.)The joke you made about v/LA wasn't clear who it was directed towards.
3.) I didn't give more than one reason prior to this post for why I'm voting for you.
-Your "you're overreacting" post aimed at alban was definitely implying a scumread
-I thought it was, but I'm biased since I asked so I'll leave you alone on that.
-You gave "Yeah after a review of his ISO and just from rereading old games I don't think this is town!SC."
Which is presumably meta and a dislike of some kind of my posts (???). So two reasons, if you will. Not really a big deal, but both of those reasons suck without being backed up.


Also, Alban's recent posts read like scum fluffing trying to avoid producing serious content
alban wrote:
In post 144, Heartless wrote:alban, which alignment do you prefer to play?
Most definitely town.

But I am good as scum too. In the two games I was scum, I won one, and in the other I was unfortunately night-killed by the serial killer :( but had I been alive, I wouldn't be caught I think. Gin was a part of it.

There was one more on one other site which went terribly for me coz I misunderstood the rules of the greater mafia set-up. I unfortunately revealed something which caught up to me, all coz it was my first time playing that set-up and coz mod didn't get back to me about my queries.

In short, I am comf-ier playing town, but I could turn out to be a sly mafia. I have a guilty conscience as mafia which I think reflects in my posts and makes my posts appear pretty town-like. Also probably coz people think I am too dumb to be a mafia :facepalm: Usual suspects kinda scenario I guess. Which helps me escape lynches effectively.
alban wrote:Oh yeah. It was Jin. Not you.
1.) No it was not implying a scum read at all. If it was, I would've voted for him when I said it.
2.) I mentioned I reread your ISO to make it clear how I came to the conclusion that this isn't your town game. My only reason given there was meta.
3.) I missed your vote on AJ but the point still stands for now, but to be fair he hasn't been here to answer questions you may have for him.
-You don't need to vote someone to have a scumread on them. I thought you were tho so I'll give you this.
-Another misinterpretation <.<
-I mean I don't think he's been V/LA or anything so that's not really a good sign

My LUV scumread is pretty dead now fyi
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Post Post #378 (isolation #32) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:14 pm

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In post 374, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 373, SirCakez wrote:I'd rather talk to you about it then have you hold it over my head and refuse to discuss it.
It shouldn't matter so much to you if youre town
It annoys me precisely because I'm town. If you've ever been mislynched (and I have been literally dozens of times) then you'd get why being ignored while being scumread as town is annoying.
In post 375, Infinity 324 wrote:Hate to say this, but "retracting" points and scumreads is more of a scum thing to do. Town usually have some gut-based thing behind their actions, and once they latch onto something they don't let go easily.
Ha! You would know that doesn't apply to me if you actually metaed me.
In post 376, Infinity 324 wrote:Cakez, do you usually like to get into wall arguments with people?
I usually do, but I don't like it
In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:Cakez' vote for me is actually horrendous. He's mentioned me once outside of his vote, in one sentence with no explanation. In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me. It's probably because only Kling/myself have been mentioned at all elsewise, even though BBMola was the only one to make any insinuations about my alignment. This is flailing of the most obvious degree.

VOTE: sircakez

For reference, this is 6 (I think). It's nine to lynch.
Heh nice OMGUS
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Post Post #379 (isolation #33) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:17 pm

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That AJ post is the worst post in the game thread imo. He's even guilty of the same thing he's calling me scum for (not mentioning a scumread before voting them), given that he hasn't called me a scumread until that post.
And his mentioning of how close to the lynch we are despite us being only like 3 days into the game reeks of scum eager for a mislynch.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #34) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:25 pm

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Like ok here's a look at AJ's ISO

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- Shitpost
- Shitpost
- fluff post about the Pine hydra's abbreviation
- fluff about Indigo being V/LA
- Shitpost about someone's "odds" of being scum
- fluff about the numbers of the scum team
- more fluff about the scum team numbers
- declaring V/LA
- fluff about his playstyle
- his terrible vote on me

If that's not an obvscum ISO I don't know what is
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Post Post #383 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:29 pm

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In post 381, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 379, SirCakez wrote:That AJ post is the worst post in the game thread imo. He's even guilty of the same thing he's calling me scum for (not mentioning a scumread before voting them), given that he hasn't called me a scumread until that post.
And his mentioning of how close to the lynch we are despite us being only like 3 days into the game reeks of scum eager for a mislynch.
Worst in the thread after we remove your iso. OFC I wasn't calling you scum up until that. 1st, there's basically 8 pages of posts since I've decided to actively respond to the gamestate at large. Second, your post on me was awful and so I addressed it. Finally, my worry was allowing a mislynch to happen, or if you'd prefer we just keep that number in the dark so someone can lolhammer your scum ass.
Ok so what's the difference between your shitty vote on me and my supposedly scummy vote on yours?
My "post on you" being declaring a scumread on you? lol
A mishammer this early? Riiight.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:46 pm

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If I was infinity I would say "I just disagree, does anyone else want to engage me?" here :roll:
Aj The Epic wrote:The difference is you engaged it to begin with. You showed a clear lack of flow in your reads.

Also yes, our last VC was like Pg 10 or something? In that scenario, where you went from 2-5 before my vote, losing track of it is an honest possibility and I wanted to ensure it wouldn't occur.
What lack of flow? I said I scumread you, then voted you later. That's as flowy as you can get.
I highly doubt that would have happened but ok.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #37) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:01 am

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Infinity wut. Why tell me that I probably can't convince your gut then ask a bunch of questions anyway?
Klingon's "build a case" post was awful but I can't let AJ's shitty vote slide.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #38) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 409, Infinity 324 wrote:Cause you kept insisting I give you something to respond to and it was getting on my nerves
Well that defeats the whole point if you just throw out junk because "on my nerves"
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Post Post #421 (isolation #39) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:36 am

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Ok I'll bite on the questions then. Don't expect wall wars again.
And before someone goes "oh shit he's desperate for towncred!!!" I have a townread on Infinity and so would like to engage with him as long as he's not just posting questions for the sake of posting questions
Infinity 324 wrote:Hmm...have you used tryhardiness as a tell before? Have people made that argument before? What made you at first think that it was scummy if there was evidence against it? This pings my gut but not sure I can explain
I can't think of any specific examples, but probably yes.
For sure
Because I didn't think through about why town would tryhard and I also hadn't played with Titus for a while, so I forgot how she plays
Molla's naked voting is shity too but iirc Molla never explains things
What's the point of this statement?
I brought up LUV basically giving no real reason for his vote on me and thought that I should mention I had a different standard for Molla, before someone went "LUV didn't give a good vote reason but Molla didn't at all!!!".
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In post 378, SirCakez wrote:Ha! You would know that doesn't apply to me if you actually metaed me.
Oh man, you got me, I didn't meta you. That means my scumread on you must be shit.
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104 - more fluff about the scum team numbers
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255 - fluff about his playstyle
377 - his terrible vote on me
What do you think about AJ talking about his difficulties early d1?
Not much, I think the kind of stuff he spewed in his vote on me was definitely from scum. Klingon also claims to play badly early on, that's not stopping the wagon on her.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #40) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 391, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 313, Infinity 324 wrote:I get waiting and seeing, but the thing is that post is just so in line with what disengaged scum say. Even the reads sound fake.
I don't do fake as any alignment.

I'm known for being a shit player on Day 1, NIA.
Here
I already explained why it was bad AJ
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Post Post #427 (isolation #41) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:05 am

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He said he likes to do more looking for motives and making a baseline early on, OK.
I don't understand why he hasn't posted about any of his "baselines/motives" though. It looks like an excuse.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #42) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:49 pm

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I also hate that AJ came in to take a potshot at me while continuing to not provide any other content. Like using his scumread on me as an excuse to not engage is what it looked like to me.
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Post Post #431 (isolation #43) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:56 pm

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What's up with Aero popping in to say he was catching up then dodging out?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #44) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:57 pm

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Oh derp he said he would read tonight
I thought he said he was catching up right then, mb
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Post Post #490 (isolation #45) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:19 am

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In post 436, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 427, SirCakez wrote:I don't understand why he hasn't posted about any of his "baselines/motives" though. It looks like an excuse.
...Why would I? It's entirely off of the history of the thread, so being at post 435 doesn't really do much for it. I simply look for inconsistencies and try to determine why someone might have the patterns they develop.

As a sidenote,
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In post 422, Aj The Epic wrote:The language you use is ambiguous. Purposefully.
kind of stuff he spewed in his vote on me was definitely from scum
Like it would just kill you to give actual context.
I kinda doubt that even if cakez is scum since he already explained what he disliked about it earlier.
It's the language in general is normally similar. The accusatory style has 2 parts that I find scummy:
First, it's broad. There's a lot left to interpretation (or bad generalizations, such as his 'iso summary' post, which is a bullshit shadetossing fest anyways.
Second, It's ALWAYS THIRD PERSON, even when he's talking to no one in particular (aka no answers/continued discussion with another user). This is a way to discourage discussion between the user and the accused.
SirCakez wrote:What's up with Aero popping in to say he was catching up then dodging out?
Who's he asking? Not Aero, but the rest of the users. Why would the rest of the users have an answer? This isn't MEANT to generate anything but suspicion.
SirCakez wrote:I also hate that AJ came in to take a potshot at me while continuing to not provide any other content. Like using his scumread on me as an excuse to not engage is what it looked like to me.
Same thing here. Could just address me up front, but instead words it third person to cast suspicion instead of ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING WITH IT like trying to discuss it. People like Tammy when town ALWAYS use first person to address the people she's suspicious of. It's a way to generate conversation, and it's a town thing to do.


And by the way, Cakez, THAT is the basis of motive hunting.
For the first bit, why can't you share any of these "patterns" that you're finding?
The rest of the wall is I think the first time I've ever been called scum for how I type and play. You could ISO me in literally any game I've played and I'll be typing the same way. Reachy as fuck.
In post 439, Heartless wrote:
In post 339, SirCakez wrote:Princess's complete lack of game awareness with their vote on me for Rogue Leader is odd but I want to say it's derptown, as I think scum wouldn't want to stick out so much with trying to put someone being wagoned in a power position
given that PP's rogue vote preceded you catching shit, this point is pretty fucked
Except they didn't move the vote after the wagon started, that's the key point there.
In post 481, Nero Cain wrote:So maybe that does rule out Titus but she's being a lurksack and her defense of Cakez was pretty shitty.
Where did Titus defend me?
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In post 483, Desperado wrote:Not feeling The Thinker right now and I'm not sure why either of them has that slot as scum,
ari's been around on site but he's not posting here
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Post Post #492 (isolation #46) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:00 am

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Wut?
I mean they didn't move the Rogue Leader vote they had on me even after I started getting seriously wagoned. Like it's still there now.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #47) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:15 am

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No
I spoil those for mobile people, sorry 'bout that
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Post Post #498 (isolation #48) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:26 am

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In post 496, Heartless wrote:
In post 492, SirCakez wrote:Wut?
I mean they didn't move the Rogue Leader vote they had on me even after I started getting seriously wagoned. Like it's still there now.
this is something courageous and risky?

bad point is still bad
Yeah, she was getting shit for it wasn't she?

AJ I am absurdly confused at what you're even arguing. If you want to ignore the fact that I type like this every game then OK, you can stay scummy.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:13 pm

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In post 500, Infinity 324 wrote:@cakez Who other than AJ is scum on your wagon
Maybe LUV or Alban, I'm iffy on those slots atm
Aero is still sitting on his RVS vote on me and Nero is Nero
In post 501, Heartless wrote:
In post 498, SirCakez wrote:Yeah, she was getting shit for it wasn't she?
pretty sure tth was the only one that said anything
And you guys are universally townread and pretty great players so taking flak from your slot and yet staying strong on it is a town sign imo
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Post Post #508 (isolation #50) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:37 pm

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I'm waiting until I develop a really solid townread. I don't have a super strong one atm.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #51) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm

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The amount of text in this game just doubled in a page
I'm excited for another round of arguing with mastina
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Post Post #551 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:23 pm

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In post 540, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 535, SirCakez wrote:The amount of text in this game just doubled in a page
I'm excited for another round of arguing with mastina
What are your first impressions on Mastina?

/Gin
Still think the slot is town, just irritated that she's going to be annoying me by holding her cryptic scumreads over my head while being completely closed to engagement
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Post Post #620 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:49 am

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In post 553, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 519, Desperado wrote:but his vote is fencesitty trash
What do you dislike about the Cakez push? I think his vote was trash and Titus trying to write him off as bad town is fairly horrible. I think having some slight reservations is not the fencesitting you claim it is as town have no way to know that they are right or wrong until they flip. Also Kling is a day 3 player, leave her alone. :lol:

Gin Why are you so wary of me and why didn't you ask Pine in your hydra pt?
Where did Titus write me off as bad town?
In post 594, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 591, Desperado wrote:Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.
Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote Cakez
This is hilariously bad. STILL avoiding posting anything unrelated to me.

Klingon's Desperado vote is also garbage.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:38 am

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In post 625, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 597, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 594, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 591, Desperado wrote:Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.
Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote Cakez
The issue is the contradiction, you called out cakez for only mentioning you once before the vote and your vote was the first time you mentioned cakez.
It's not a contradiction. My initial issue with Cakez was he literally DID NOT mention me in his vote, which came in that wall of text spoiler.
Baaaacktraaack
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Post Post #639 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 am

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In post 627, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me
But is it really.
Yep, I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to show

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Post Post #642 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:37 am

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In post 640, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 639, SirCakez wrote:
In post 627, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me
But is it really.
Yep, I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to show
Looks like it's supposed to show that AJ's criticism of you was that you didn't mention him in the post where you voted him.
It doesn't really though.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:41 am

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Yeah, that's what I meant by backtracking
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Post Post #646 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:45 am

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wut
To me it looks like he's realized his original vote reasoning sucked and is trying to shore it up. Don't think he'd need to be ballsy to do that as scum.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:51 am

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In this context I disagree
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Post Post #654 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:29 am

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It's mastina Piper
Don't expect her plays to line up with what she's saying
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Post Post #664 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:19 am

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Yeah I don't agree with her Pine scumread and her apparent AJ town read sucks. Her Klingon town read is bad too.
But she's town.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:51 pm

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Thinker who is scum?
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Post Post #706 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:13 pm

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Heartless?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:58 am

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In post 749, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm amazed that everyone hasn't auto-sheeped Mastina.

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics
This is pretty cruddy, for obvious reasons

Thinker - you asked for a case on infinity. But what do
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Post Post #812 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:59 am

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In post 774, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 620, SirCakez wrote:Where did Titus write me off as bad town?
I'm to lazy to ISO to get the quotes but basically when I said your vote on Titus was bad then she was all like "oh hey how is this diffrent than all the others times I've been wagoned unjustly." or something along those lines.
I don't recall this at all.
In post 639, SirCakez wrote:I sometimes wonder if Mastina just RNGs her reads and then tries to explain them. That would be funny.
Hey, lets talk theory!

So, as scum, I think that calling a player town is kinda buddying or pocketing to use the new jargon. I think alot of players are stupidly OMGUSY so when a scum player calls another player town then its less of a chance they get voted and I think, atleast subliminally, when a player knows they are town and are being called town they kinda go "Oh hey X is reading me correctly so they must be town too!" This is my first time playing with Mastina but I've played several times with her on the Mastin2 account and I know that she has entered the game in a similar style in the past. Was she scum that game? Town? She likely does this regardless of alignment although she's fairly scummy here.
She does it regardless of alignment. It makes me wonder if her "lists" and quote walls where she goes "town, town, scum!" are just for WIFOM.
In post 781, The Thinker wrote:Also, I like Heartless.

#HeartlessForRogueLeader2017


That's a
Vote: Heartless for Rogue Leader

In case mod wants to be picky.
Don't dodge my question

Aero's lack of presence when he has been posting elsewhere on site is concerning
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Post Post #817 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:16 pm

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What's your opinion on infinity?
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Post Post #873 (isolation #67) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:10 am

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In post 826, mastina wrote:
In post 693, SirCakez wrote:Thinker who is scum?
Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.
What?

Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.
Infinity what makes AJ town? He might be bad but he's bad scum.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #68) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:57 am

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In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.
Aristo doesn't really think through his posts as scum. He tends to just post stuff. But as town you can usually tell his content is genuine scumhunting and it's not here.

I just ISOed AJ and he hasn't given a read on anyone besides me, and Heartless/Desperado if we're being generous. Which is just laughably scummy. It's how I play as scum sometimes, latch onto a town who's getting wagoned early then ignore the rest of the game unless asked about stuff.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #69) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:26 am

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Oh oops
I still don't think that excuses how single-minded AJ has been here. The motive hunting thing sounds like a NAI tell (like Klingon's "I suck at day 1" shtick), and he has yet to offer any evidence of said motive hunting.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #70) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:44 pm

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In post 912, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't think single-mindedness is a scumtell in general even though it may be for you. There's a reason I'm not scumreading titus. And he said his case on you was a result of motive hunting, while it seems pretty bad, it doesn't seem scum-motivated.
It might not be in some scenarios but I think AJ is just using it as a crutch here
In post 914, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 909, SirCakez wrote:
In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.
Aristo doesn't really think through his posts as scum. He tends to just post stuff. But as town you can usually tell his content is genuine scumhunting and it's not here.

I just ISOed AJ and he hasn't given a read on anyone besides me, and Heartless/Desperado if we're being generous. Which is just laughably scummy. It's how I play as scum sometimes, latch onto a town who's getting wagoned early then ignore the rest of the game unless asked about stuff.
Which is bullshit since I've called infinity town. And please, don't go comparing your scum games to mine. It's rather insulting.
Where? I ISOed you and saw nothing.
In post 917, mastina wrote:
In post 873, SirCakez wrote:
In post 826, mastina wrote:
In post 693, SirCakez wrote:Thinker who is scum?
Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.
Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.
Yes, exactly my point.
I'm not sure how more obvious my sarcasm could've been in that post, and the fact that you're pretending to have not known it was sarcasm is one of the reasons you're scum.
You edited that quote.
I said "what?" because you were being confusing, I didn't say the Thinker comment in response to you, that's why they were spaced out in the original quote.
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In post 812, SirCakez wrote:I don't recall this at all.
Would I lie about this?
Knowing you, yeah.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #71) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:24 pm

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In post 960, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 955, SirCakez wrote:Where? I ISOed you and saw nothing.
I guess it wasn't explicitly stated but when Desperado was talking to Uzi about my vote for Rogue leader I responded in post 793:

Spoiler:
In post 793, Aj The Epic wrote:
Desperado wrote:@ LUV: It's bad because you are suggesting that AJ as scum would feel pressured to go with the crowd on the Rogue Leader vote when that just isn't true. He doesn't even have to think infinity is scum to justify it either, he just needs to be able to defend what he is declaring as his best townread.

^This is not a risky thing to do as scum and suggesting otherwise is...bad.
And in fact my reason for voting Heartless was neither. I just wanted to see what happens if there was a counterwagon to the rouge leader infinity vote, specifically because I think it was becoming too easy.


That it wasn't that I felt Heartless was scummy (by context of what Desp suggested) but rather I wanted to vote heartless to see what came of it. If nothing else, the way I've talked to Infinity from like post 255 onward should give it away tonally that I read him as town.
Now that you've explained yeah I can see it, but that quote is
really
not showing anything.
Also speaking of which, in my iso run of yours (was searching side by side to find your own townreads), I see you have a mountain of scum reads. Me, Alban (before replace), titus, TTH, Kling, and Luv. And in 508 you say:
In post 508, SirCakez wrote:I'm waiting until I develop a really solid townread. I don't have a super strong one atm.
Along with some shade tossing towards Aero slot earlier in the game. Got anything for us in terms of townreads? Especially ones that aren't shade tossing at the other end (aka Mastina's)? Like your one explicit town message is 'mastina's reads suck but she's town hurdur'. Funnily PP (mastina's former) was the only explicit townread you had before and your read on her was much the same (derptown). It's a rather condescending end to a read that allows for you to ignore whatever the slot says while townreading them.

And you also have way too many scum reads to actually exist in this game. Even someone like me who focuses on scumreading doesn't even get to the kind of count you have.
Titus is null now, I never scumread TTH, LUV is null too.
My only strong scumreads atm are Klingon, Thinker and you.

I have no clue how you could have missed my changing scumreads in my ISO.
For townreads I've got Heartless, mastina, Piper, Infinity, and (slight) Pine-a-Tonics.
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In post 949, mastina wrote:
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I can compromise on a Cakes lynch if no one wants to lynch Pine-A-Tonics. Same with Thinker.
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #72) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:40 pm

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I feel slightly better about Heartless then Infinity
The way TTH talked to me really felt super duper town and Infinity hasn't had a "obvtown" post like that
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #73) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:08 pm

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If there's scum who were trying to counterwagon AJ via Thinker I can see it being any of the latter three on the wagon.

What Nacho has posted has been underwhelming and he's in the iffy alban slot, TWIE is in the contentless Indigo/Gamma slot (and hasn't really given any content himself) and LUV is shaky at best for me right now.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:42 am

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In post 1042, Titus wrote:@SC, Nacho, underwhelming? Really?

You t


@SC, Nacho as underwhelming? And trying to dismiss him? He's been pretty focused on drawing me out.
Yeah I skimmed his ISO and nothing stuck out to me like his typical town posting.
Not trying to dismiss him, I'm stating a point.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, AJ, mastin]
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null line ---> [Titus, TWIE, Aeronaut]
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Only one scumread??
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:17 pm

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In post 1085, mastina wrote:
In post 1062, TheWayItEnds wrote:i dunno what mastins talking about my scumgame and towngame are literally identical like theyre supposed to be.
...The fuck?

They couldn't possibly be more different.

This is the town-you. Through and through.
I would love to hear more about this as I have no clue how to read TWIE
In post 1090, Heartless wrote:
In post 1073, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
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Only one scumread??
yep

OH NOES SO BAD SO SCUMMZMZMZMZMZMLKS;JF;LKSAJDFLJDSA;FJ;LSAF
/FROOOOTH

settle down, buckaroo. i'm well aware i probably have a scum or two above the null line (or more if i'm really shitting the bed). tth is going to run quality control this weekend.
I thought you had more for some reason (besides Thinker). And I disagree with your one scumread :/
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:18 am

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In post 1110, Heartless wrote:
In post 1105, SirCakez wrote:I thought you had more for some reason (besides Thinker). And I disagree with your one scumread :/
did have one on princess (mastin slot)

i mean... in terms of townreads, i have a couple ideas for who i fucked up on but they're based on nothing but gut and i'd rather have tth's eyes hit this game first before spiraling into putting people in my null tier again

in terms of scumreads, it looks like i'm a little dry [though i will go ahead and say that some of you in the null tier are functionally a scumread. what does that mean? don't worry about it.]
OK I'm excited to hear from TTH then
In post 1113, mastina wrote:
In post 1105, SirCakez wrote:I would love to hear more about this as I have no clue how to read TWIE
Well this game, fortunately, you don't need to!
Why not?
In post 1123, Infinity 324 wrote: I'm a bit worried that heartless is scum given nacho (I think?) talking about how good their scum game was and that they haven't really been obvtown. Then nacho voted them for rogue leader so what?? Also want nacho to explain why he now townreads the thinker.
Yeah that was a pretty bull 180 by Nacho. Feels like he's following the crowd, he's hardly engaged with the game.

This Pine wagon sucks, I'd prefer any of Klingon, Thinker and AJ
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:40 am

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In post 1188, Titus wrote:VOTE: Infinity
This is dumb, this isn't going to happen today
Infinity you voting a nullread because ??? is bad though

VOTE: klingon
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:46 am

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In post 1255, Drunken Piper wrote:
In post 1178, SirCakez wrote:
This Pine wagon sucks,
??
They're town.
In post 1267, Nero Cain wrote:Kling wagon is meh. Like I know that I said I'd be ok with her as a dl lynch but I kinda feel like her lack of doing anything and being useless is NAI. I mean it
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better than a no lynch but it seems like rotten low hanging fruit and there are much better lynches in Thinker or Mastin.

And speaking of Thinker/Pine. I think Pines "don't lynch him until we can talk to him" is p bad. Like no one knows if he'll even be back before the deadline and I'm not really willing to trust his V'LA status since he's abused that as scum in Princess Bride.
Klingon does things as town though. Here she's just sheeping and coasting.
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:42 pm

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In post 1293, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok I get trying to start new wagons but these 4 vanity wagons should not be a thing
^^^
In post 1295, Infinity 324 wrote:^ that is what I mean by rambling

And while nice, it's the kind of ramble that I can easily see being fake.
They're mastina rambles, they're NAI.
In post 1298, Nero Cain wrote:
So yes, I'd like to know why I was demoted from top tier town and leapfrogged by someone on your null list (Aero) and someone that you were considering moving to null (Piper)
Why do you care so much about this? Looks like something odd to be stuck up on.

Also I know this will never happen today but my Titus read is really heading south. Nothing she's posting is memorable and she's hardly contributing in general.
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #81) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:52 am

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In post 1378, Drunken Piper wrote:
In post 1361, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1298, Nero Cain wrote:
So yes, I'd like to know why I was demoted from top tier town and leapfrogged by someone on your null list (Aero) and someone that you were considering moving to null (Piper)
Why do you care so much about this? Looks like something odd to be stuck up on.
do you not care about someone views
and stance they choose?
I do care, just the way he got really concerned about not being on the Rogue Crew all of a sudden stuck me as weird.
In post 1385, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1361, SirCakez wrote:Why do you care so much about this? Looks like something odd to be stuck up on.
I think that odd shifts in reads are likely to come from scum.
But this is a passable explanation.
In post 1427, Infinity 324 wrote:Klingon isn't town, but ari is scummier.
WTF? You keep making these really bizarre statements. What's the difference if you scumread them both?

I'll help flashwagon Thinker to try to kick some content out of them.
VOTE: Thinker
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #82) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:25 am

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In post 1275, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1183, Desperado wrote:I could also vote LUV but I'd rather see AJ and/or Cakez flip before I make a determination on that.
just to clarify your lynch order is Kling>>>AJ>>>>cakez>>>Luv?
In post 1234, Heartless wrote:Infinity, Nacho, Desperado, and Aeronaut are my choices.
Why was I kicked out?
In post 1273, Infinity 324 wrote:mastin is too good of a potential town player to get rid of d1.
whiteknight moar!
Here

Yes that's the real reason DP. And I think they're scummy obviously.
Titus I still SR Klingon, I'd go back there in a heartbeat
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #83) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:41 am

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In post 1441, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1436, SirCakez wrote:WTF? You keep making these really bizarre statements. What's the difference if you scumread them both?
:?:

I'd rather lynch someone I have a stronger scumread on
It looked like you were saying you didn't want to wagon Klingon even though she wasn't town, mb
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Post Post #1448 (isolation #84) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:46 am

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His V/LA ends tomorrow, he should be back in time
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:49 am

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You know what I meant Titus pls
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:20 pm

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I can most definitely read you. Nice discrediting attempt though.
Lack of hammer by Klingon probably means Thinker is scum, too.
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #87) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:36 am

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VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #88) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:46 pm

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In post 1526, Titus wrote:
In post 1523, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
Klingon quickhammered a vig without a claim and is near-universally scumread and you think this wagon is "preplanned"?
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Post Post #1578 (isolation #89) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:51 pm

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In post 1575, Nero Cain wrote:dat echo. Now whats your take on Infinity arguing that its not scummy from Titus?
I skimmed because I saw a big 1v1 between Titus and Infinity that was going nowhere, so prob missed it if someone else said it

Infinity defending Titus here is dumb but not scum
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #90) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:55 pm

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Titus is nullscum, you're town
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #91) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:01 pm

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Because they're different players with different playstyles.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #92) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:39 pm

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In post 1583, Titus wrote:
In post 1574, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1526, Titus wrote:
In post 1523, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
Klingon quickhammered a vig without a claim and is near-universally scumread and you think this wagon is "preplanned"?
Yes, to defend Infinity scum.
Who is scum on the wagon, then?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #93) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:26 am

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In post 1590, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1481, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: klingon
In post 1484, Desperado wrote:
Vote: Klingoncelt
In post 1485, Desperado wrote:I'm not accepting any other lynch today.
In post 1486, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why's she scum again?
She's not. They're going after what they think is low-hanging fruit.

It's okay. My flip will get them both flashlynched.
All of your posts are whining about being wagoned/scumread and not actually scumhunting.
In post 1596, Titus wrote:
In post 1587, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1583, Titus wrote:
In post 1574, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1526, Titus wrote:
In post 1523, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
Klingon quickhammered a vig without a claim and is near-universally scumread and you think this wagon is "preplanned"?
Yes, to defend Infinity scum.
Who is scum on the wagon, then?
Haven't decided yet. There may not be. Sometimes town can be so proud and wrapped up, we tune others out. I think that is why the Thinker was lynched over Infinity.
But you just said scum pre-planned the wagon....
In post 1597, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1578, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1575, Nero Cain wrote:dat echo. Now whats your take on Infinity arguing that its not scummy from Titus?
I skimmed because I saw a big 1v1 between Titus and Infinity that was going nowhere, so prob missed it if someone else said it

Infinity defending Titus here is dumb but not scum
Why is it dumb? Can you explain why titus's play is scum-motivated and not just a dumbtunnel?
Protecting scumbuddy Klingon makes sense here. Titus doesn't like to bus iirc.
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #94) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:22 pm

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In post 1611, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok, but it's also possible from town.
I don't think it is b/c Titus was literally asking me to vote Klingon yesterday
So this back off reeks
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:06 am

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I will be here this afternoon!
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:04 pm

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In post 1649, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1598, Infinity 324 wrote:@klingon I'm willing to give you a chance, but you need to explain why me and desp must be scum pushing a mislynch and not town coming to a logical conclusion based on the gamestate.
I'm Town.

Both of you can shove the backpedaling.

Desperado comes out of nowhere with no case declaring me to be Scum, trying hard to get me lynched. Normally that pisses me off, but this time there's an extra layer, unless this fucker's got an alt we've never played together before, which makes his no-case focus on me creepy and stalker-ish.

He finally tells me to vote for Thinker. I do. Thinker could be Scum, they were one of my compromise lynches. They flip Town and Desperado calls me Scum for hammering them. He says they weren't given time to claim.

The stalking fucker set me up.

He's Scum, I'm sure of it.

Not that you're much better. You ridiculed me for voting for you when you were getting the votes for Rogue Leader, then you went after another player (I forget who) that was voting for Heartless when they were leading the Rogue Leader votes.

It's not unusual in the early game for Scum to get picked for special roles.

Your argument against me and that other player based on popularity was completely without merit.
Lol this reasoning for Desp scum is terribad
In post 1684, Drunken Piper wrote:well since action on this wagon I cant get,
clearly I need to step up the threat.

PINE IS SCUM, this I KNOW.
scum probably knows why by now, but why is the town so slow.
I buy this
In post 1728, BBmolla wrote:also willing to lynch AJ
I'm always down to lynch AJ
In post 1715, Titus wrote:What guilty? But Pine playing dead is wtf...
In post 1734, Titus wrote:
Vla until Monday
Scum

VOTE: Pine since guilty and they're being dodgy about the crew infiltration thing
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #97) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:34 pm

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who tf did PV replace?
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:04 am

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I need to reevaluate townreads since I was wrong about Pine and Klingon. I feel safe with this vote though.

VOTE: AJ
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:44 pm

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In post 1778, Nero Cain wrote:actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.
I support this.
In post 1782, Titus wrote:
In post 1776, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think its outside the realms of possibility that Molla fakeclaims that his buddy targets him. Its tinfoily and jazz but you could say the same for a still living investigation role. Titus and/or Mastin are my preferred lynches thus far.

vote:Titus
Dude, your shade hat is in full force. You are not directly counterclaiming Molla, as you're pushing my lynch instead. If my memory serves, Molla also claimed his result before the guilty.

This looks like a roundabout way of just attacking anyone who suspected Infinity and is really worse given that I was right on Klingon.

VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Titus

No this isn't chainsawing, this vote from Titus is just atrocious. Her play around Klingon still makes sense as scum.
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #100) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:55 pm

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In post 1846, Titus wrote:
In post 1844, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1778, Nero Cain wrote:actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.
I support this.
In post 1782, Titus wrote:
In post 1776, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think its outside the realms of possibility that Molla fakeclaims that his buddy targets him. Its tinfoily and jazz but you could say the same for a still living investigation role. Titus and/or Mastin are my preferred lynches thus far.

vote:Titus
Dude, your shade hat is in full force. You are not directly counterclaiming Molla, as you're pushing my lynch instead. If my memory serves, Molla also claimed his result before the guilty.

This looks like a roundabout way of just attacking anyone who suspected Infinity and is really worse given that I was right on Klingon.

VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Titus

No this isn't chainsawing, this vote from Titus is just atrocious. Her play around Klingon still makes sense as scum.
Now, why would you want to rope me and Rolefish BBMolla? Scum vanillaizing themselves isn't even moonlogicky enough for me.
Because if Molla is scum he could easily be lying about being vanillized?
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #101) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:01 pm

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In post 1850, Titus wrote:
In post 1848, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1846, Titus wrote:
In post 1844, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1778, Nero Cain wrote:actually....Molla full claims his previous role or eats rope/lead depending on which he finds tastier.
I support this.
In post 1782, Titus wrote:
In post 1776, Nero Cain wrote:I do not think its outside the realms of possibility that Molla fakeclaims that his buddy targets him. Its tinfoily and jazz but you could say the same for a still living investigation role. Titus and/or Mastin are my preferred lynches thus far.

vote:Titus
Dude, your shade hat is in full force. You are not directly counterclaiming Molla, as you're pushing my lynch instead. If my memory serves, Molla also claimed his result before the guilty.

This looks like a roundabout way of just attacking anyone who suspected Infinity and is really worse given that I was right on Klingon.

VOTE: Nero
VOTE: Titus

No this isn't chainsawing, this vote from Titus is just atrocious. Her play around Klingon still makes sense as scum.
Now, why would you want to rope me and Rolefish BBMolla? Scum vanillaizing themselves isn't even moonlogicky enough for me.
Because if Molla is scum he could easily be lying about being vanillized?
And he'd lie before the guilty?
What guilty?
In post 1851, Heartless wrote:
In post 1844, SirCakez wrote:No this isn't chainsawing, this vote from Titus is just atrocious. Her play around Klingon still makes sense as scum.
explain plz?

i don't quite follow
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Post Post #1866 (isolation #102) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:33 pm

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In post 1855, Heartless wrote:the part where you were saying her play around klingon makes sense as scum
Attempting to pocket Klingon by backing off of her was what it looks like now.

Pine's behavior around mastina means she's probtown, agreed.
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Post Post #1913 (isolation #103) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:03 am

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In post 1868, Heartless wrote:it clicked for me:

> the only time pinetonic saw fit to mention a read on aj was in this post where he lazily just kind of toyed around with a quasi-scumread. NEITHER pine nor tonic himself saw fit to follow up

> aj's content itself has been disappointing. even though there's a flipped scum and that scum has... 117 posts all he's done is regurgitate what i said the rest of his thoughts is just a quagmire of jfkl;dsajfkl;mewlkfj;lkajf

> aj's critics either end up dead (desp) or with a crowbar to the knee (bbmolla)

aj is scum
Ding ding ding
In post 1869, Heartless wrote:
In post 1866, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1855, Heartless wrote:the part where you were saying her play around klingon makes sense as scum
Attempting to pocket Klingon by backing off of her was what it looks like now.

Pine's behavior around mastina means she's probtown, agreed.
yes, pocketing someone who's about to die

flawless scum strategy
How would scum have known that?
In post 1877, Aj The Epic wrote:Because Nero as often as you call Titus scum, it's impossible for me to actually believe your read on her anymore.
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #104) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:07 am

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In post 1923, Heartless wrote:
In post 1913, SirCakez wrote:Ding ding ding
i don't see no vote
I only have one vote, and Titus will be harder to lynch

VOTE: piper for rogue leader
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #105) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:25 pm

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Infinity you still townread Titus?
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #106) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:53 pm

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Only thing I'd say to definitely focus on while reading is the Pine hydra's interactions.
Some controversial slots include Titus, Molla, AJ and mastina, so reads on those would be cool (and everyone, really).
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #107) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:13 am

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In post 1993, mastina wrote:
In post 1777, SirCakez wrote:I need to reevaluate townreads since I was wrong about Pine and Klingon. I feel safe with this vote though.
VOTE: AJ
"I swear I'm going to reevaluate my reads, but here have a vote which...is not me reevaluating my reads".
It was a day entrance, and I was (and still am) busy when I posted that.
In post 2013, Heartless wrote:
In post 2010, mastina wrote:In fact, half the game didn't even want you to claim your abilities.
is this a fact or an alternative fact?
:lol:

I have been very busy in the afternoons recently so I haven't been able to reread yet. Titus looks like scum on hiding so ya not changing my vote.

zefiend - given that Pine is our only flipped scum, thought it would be worthwhile for you to pay extra attention there. There wasn't really a special motive for it.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #108) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:34 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 2097, Titus wrote:If you fuckers are going to lynch Molla, that will make this game unplayable for me in most regards. I am bet my life levels of confident Molla is town, and I lack the time or inclination to read through mountains of garbage when the truth is obvious.

No scum would fake being vanillaized before DP revealed his guilty.

So present me evidence of BBMolla knowing (which likely means scum in the hood) or this is just another distraction from Infinity scum or protecting Infinity scum.

DP, for BBMolla scum (which you leave open) you would nearly certain need someone to inform him of your cop check. You are not acting like that is a possibility. You are postulating that BBMolla scum and keeping the hood the same, which violates Occam's Razor.

Meanwhile, BBMolla is being a dumbass for claiming, so I cannot elect him Rogue Leader.

AJ is pants on head reading Molla today but right on Nero being a vindictive sack of shit, like he is regardless of alignment.

No one else is bothering with the spam those two put in the thread.


So tell me, who the fuck will take out the trash of Infinity and Nero along with them not playing Pants on Head level stupid? Yeah, I would vote that for Rogue Leader. Guess what, my townreads are also my dumb as fuck reads. So yeah, you are not getting my vote for Rogue Leader. No one is. I need to see intelligence and logical coherence, even if I disagree with it to vote Rogue Leader.

Right now, I just don't.
Scum AtE/flailing
In post 2099, Titus wrote:
In post 2094, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1993, mastina wrote:
In post 1777, SirCakez wrote:I need to reevaluate townreads since I was wrong about Pine and Klingon. I feel safe with this vote though.
VOTE: AJ
"I swear I'm going to reevaluate my reads, but here have a vote which...is not me reevaluating my reads".
It was a day entrance, and I was (and still am) busy when I posted that.
In post 2013, Heartless wrote:
In post 2010, mastina wrote:In fact, half the game didn't even want you to claim your abilities.
is this a fact or an alternative fact?
:lol:

I have been very busy in the afternoons recently so I haven't been able to reread yet. Titus looks like scum on hiding so ya not changing my vote.

zefiend - given that Pine is our only flipped scum, thought it would be worthwhile for you to pay extra attention there. There wasn't really a special motive for it.
This is scum too.

I am hiding? That's the lie you're going with.

Why the fuck are the legends damn stupid here?
Yeah, you're barely posting here and town Titus is usually uber active.
In post 2106, PeregrineV wrote:SirCake into the scumpile also.
Why tho?
In post 2134, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2094, SirCakez wrote:
I have been very busy in the afternoons recently so I haven't been able to reread yet. Titus looks like scum on hiding so ya not changing my vote. .
How does Titus looking like scum cause your vote to stay on AJ? I feel like I'm missing an important connection you've made or I'm misunderstanding this post.
I'm voting Titus atm.
In post 2161, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.
This is so scum
Yeah looking at his recent posts agreed.
In post 2166, ɀefiend wrote:Whoops posting on mobile is hard sometimes.

You have stated that I'm scum three times now, with absolutely zero reasoning.

Consider this post me formally calling out your shade-tossing.
In post 2203, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2190, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2187, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2175, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2170, Aj The Epic wrote:Walk me through this. Reading anything with people not completely caught up is a pain in the ass and I want to say Aeroslot is scum (from earlier, helps explain why no counterwagons early) but unless you're referring to generic waffling mastin!read then I'm blind to the issue.
It's that his paranoia isn't genuine. Of course not all of his reads are just going to be determined by what other people think, and it doesn't make much sense for town with no particular reasons to scumread someone to get paranoid just because other people think that person is scum. Especially since it's only a couple people who think mastin is scum. I think he's setting up for the possible opportunity to lynch a strong town player because he can't resist it.
What the fuck are you talking about?

I read the thread and gave my initial read on mastina. Since then, two people with more tenure have engaged me and I'm trying to walk through their perspective with them. Where did I ever say my read on mastina is now scum or I would consider lynching them?? I said that my position on town-reading mastina based on tone/unlikely to bus Pine was flexible with the proper input.

At this point your are being glaringly dense or scum grasping for straws. There is no way a town mindset concocts some sort of interpretation where my read of mastina flips 180 because of a brief conversation with two players.
I never said your mastin read flipped. I said you're setting up to flip it.

This reaction is beyond fake.
Attempting to solve the game and sort my reads is not a setup of anything.

VOTE: infinity

Literally everything you've said has been sh@allow shading or blatant invention about my gameplay.
These two posts are terribad.
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Post Post #2322 (isolation #109) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:11 am

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In post 2265, Titus wrote:You attempting to help SirCakez.

Why did you think I wouldn't care about reading your posts?
Why do you think the unhealthy spam argument hasn't been made about infinity besudes by me?
Look at how Titus has just pulled this scumread on me out of her ass. No real logic behind it.
In post 2275, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2272, Titus wrote:
In post 2256, ɀefiend wrote:If you really think that's scummy I can't help you anymore.
SirCakez posted his spoiler before this heavily redacted post.

You cannot help SirCakez see scum because he is scum.
Didn't even notice that post.

It is worrisome that he brushed off my very forward question about Pine to him.

He also said I'm scummy which is apparently very easy to do right now; also a red flag.

I am here Titus. I am listening.
Same with this scumbutt. He was just looking for an excuse to start discrediting, like he's doing with infinity.
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Post Post #2341 (isolation #110) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 2324, Infinity 324 wrote:I guess my main issue with molla being scum is why he didn't just claim VT. He'd still know he'd been vanillaized if he really was a VT because of the special power.
I could see him thinking that he would be believed more with a PR claim.
In post 2335, Heartless wrote:cake plz vote zefiend
mastin plz vote zefiend
Titus will get away though <.<
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Post Post #2355 (isolation #111) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 2342, Aj The Epic wrote:Are you really that confident about Titus?

Like zefiend has been... slightly more high key about his alignment with his flailing.
yes, last time I was this confident about her she was scum too (Street Fighter)
In post 2343, Heartless wrote:
In post 2341, SirCakez wrote:Titus will get away though <.<
no don't give me that

zefiend is scum. you see it. i see it.

let's get this done.
Will you help lynch Titus tomorrow?
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Post Post #2358 (isolation #112) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:53 pm

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In post 2356, Nero Cain wrote:she is playing just like Street Fighter huh?
No she's playing differently from that, but she's still scum
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Post Post #2393 (isolation #113) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 2359, Heartless wrote:
In post 2355, SirCakez wrote:Will you help lynch Titus tomorrow?
if we're around and we're scumreading her

yes
So you aren't scumreading her. This is a problem.
In post 2360, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2358, SirCakez wrote:No she's playing differently from that, but she's still scum
I see parallels. Like how she lurked until there was major heat on her/PV and how she tunneled one player exclusivly early game (Jackrito/Infinity) but I guess it doesn't really matter. We both know she's scum. Let us be united in our efforts against the galactic republic.
Thumbs up
In post 2363, Titus wrote:Nero, why do you tunnel me in every game? You and Cakez both have mistepresented my early game vla as lurking, and now that I am here, you refuse to engage me but continuously take potshots and spam.

I have asked you repeatedly for your stance on BBMolla and Mastina. Nothing.

Everytime a wagon gets going, you speculate that I am their partner. Yet, you haven't speculated that with SirCakez. Why?
You aren't doing ANYTHING besides be defensive and complain about the people pushing you. No scumhunting.
In post 2369, Heartless wrote:cakez, please vote zefiend
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Post Post #2467 (isolation #114) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:54 am

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In post 2394, Infinity 324 wrote:You guys both ignored my reasons for tr'ing titus...

I don't see anything in nero's case that can't be explained by titus just not thinking clearly for one reason or another. Tunneling makes townies do very weird things, and I think that's what's happening to titus.
This isn't moonlogicy Titus though. She's hardly being tunneled, and she's OMGUSing everyone scumreading her.
In post 2404, Titus wrote: @Cakez, Dude, lying isn't your forte. I have a few solid reads, and that's despite Nero, Infinity, and my real life. I have tried to engage Heartless and DP, yet they are checked out. DP is prod dodging. Heartless is ego posting and has been since d1.
Nope
In post 2410, Heartless wrote:
In post 2393, SirCakez wrote:So you aren't scumreading her. This is a problem.
are you scumreading zefiend?
do you trust me+tth's judgment?

if the answers to both those are yes, then there really is no problem at all. i am asking you to vote a scumread.

cake, plz vote zefiend
VOTE: zefiend
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Post Post #2471 (isolation #115) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:08 am

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In post 2468, Nero Cain wrote:Why exactly are you voting zefiend?
Because Heartless has been begging me to and I have a pretty strong townread on them and zefiend is probably scum too
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Post Post #2475 (isolation #116) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:20 am

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In post 2472, Titus wrote:Welp, TWIE and Molla just confirmed as town.

Heartless, just ffs Nero and SirCakez just joined this wagon to spite me. I don't get how you can't see that. Ever since I doubted Cakez, they pounced on me. I have been right all game.
I'm pretty sure I've been scumreading you since day 1 lol
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Post Post #2478 (isolation #117) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:22 am

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Post Post #2479 (isolation #118) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:22 am

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I'm voting DP for Leader, tf?
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #119) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:55 am

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In post 2488, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2467, SirCakez wrote:and she's OMGUSing everyone scumreading her
she does that regardless of alignment. The delayed OMGUS venge vote on me is more telling of her alignment.
I don't remember her doing this as town but I haven't played with town!her in a while
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #120) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:17 pm

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In post 2499, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2496, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2488, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2467, SirCakez wrote:and she's OMGUSing everyone scumreading her
she does that regardless of alignment. The delayed OMGUS venge vote on me is more telling of her alignment.
I don't remember her doing this as town but I haven't played with town!her in a while
oh boi do I have a game to show you...once its over.
intriguing

oboy DP interested in wagoning AJ?
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #121) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:48 am

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In post 2574, Drunken Piper wrote:it is my understanding the a JK, makes the "target" untargetable.
"no result" was not my result label.
Like others have said, that's not how JK usually works. AJ is still scum, but not for that reason.
In post 2588, Drunken Piper wrote:
DP sits on his bar stool. most of his gusto gone...

now he just wonders why AJ chose to JK Cakez 2 nights in a row, and why he claimed for no reason
Because it's a scum fakeclaim and he was desperate to get it out.
In post 2628, mastina wrote:
In post 2335, Heartless wrote:cake plz vote zefiend
mastin plz vote zefiend
I'm predicting SirCakez will refuse (or maybe he'll join briefly, but leave for some bullshit reason), because they are in fact scumbuddies.
lol rekt (sorry I had to)
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Post Post #2665 (isolation #122) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:09 am

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In post 2662, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 2661, SirCakez wrote:Because it's a scum fakeclaim and he was desperate to get it out.
Wait, explain this. Why does scum claim jk out of the blue which makes him potentially look suspicious (for reasons I can't understand, but nonetheless) when molla flips?
Because of what you just said afterward!
In post 2663, Infinity 324 wrote:And why did you not care about
me and heartless both calling the claim town
? And what's your read on molla/how is it affected by your read on aj?
I didn't care about it because I disagree.
I scumread Molla but it's unrelated to my AJ read.
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Post Post #2668 (isolation #123) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:14 am

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In post 2666, Infinity 324 wrote:
Because of what you just said afterward!
Just because it's WIFOM doesn't mean it's wrong.

How often do you see scum claim roles out of the blue?
In post 2663, Infinity 324 wrote:And why did you not care about
me and heartless both calling the claim town
? And what's your read on molla/how is it affected by your read on aj?
I didn't care about it because I disagree.
I scumread Molla but it's unrelated to my AJ read.
Are you concerned that you may have too many scumreads?
What WIFOM?
When they're being pressured, a good amount.

No, I have 4: Titus, Molla, AJ, Zefiend. Since there's probably 3 scum left that seems about right to me, one is likely town.
P-edit: What makes it bad play? I'm curious.
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Post Post #2747 (isolation #124) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:30 am

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In post 2669, Infinity 324 wrote:AJ had, what, 3 votes on him? That's not a lot of pressure. What do you think about the whole thing where he was trying to figure out if he could jk heartless and still have them gives out roles?

Who do you think is the most likely to be wrong of the scumreads?

It's bad play because it doesn't help the town work together. Especially when it's a relatively important event, you should weigh in. People not engaging the people they disagree with is a lot of the reason why the game is stagnating imo. (though a little bit less in the past day)
I think it's easily fakable, I've been burned for townreading "figuring out role mechanics" like that before.
Molla, least confident on that one
Well I am weighing in, aren't I?
In post 2670, Infinity 324 wrote:Now you're going to talk about how I didn't give a case on you d1...but the game was a lot more active then, and directly addressing the person you scumread can often be unproductive.
iirc you did case me day 1
I don't see the relevance of that though?
In post 2703, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean anyone can defend scum. Butthe main thing cakez did that's scummy for coasting since d1 when the pressure came off him.
I'm not even coasting.
In post 2730, TheWayItEnds wrote:i like that all of the proposed teams involving me an incompetence based.
You've done jackshit all game, you shouldn't be surprised
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Post Post #2749 (isolation #125) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:56 am

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Well this game started right when school was restarting and now I have a job and have been working backstage theatre almost every day of the school week so yeah I can't be as active.
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Post Post #2766 (isolation #126) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 2757, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2749, SirCakez wrote:Well this game started right when school was restarting and now I have a job and have been working backstage theatre almost every day of the school week so yeah I can't be as active.
I feel ya. Rehearsals every night but Saturday.
Yay another theatre lover <3
In post 2759, Titus wrote:Did you review Smackdown Heartless?

VOTE: Cakez
Man look at this zefiend wagon dodging
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Post Post #2809 (isolation #127) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:04 am

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In post 2769, Heartless wrote:oh hey cakez, while you're here

why are you scumreading bbmolla?
It's mostly PoE and for lack of content, which is why it's my weakest scumread.
In post 2808, Aj The Epic wrote:Is there any benefit to carrying on the day? Imo this feels like classical scum v town wagons and there's no new useful information or analysis coming through right now.
If you can somehow pull the votes to finish off the wagon out of nowhere then sure.
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Post Post #2811 (isolation #128) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:12 pm

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I have him as null but yeah I guess he could go as scum for the same reasons as molla.
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Post Post #2818 (isolation #129) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:42 pm

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That's also a good point about Molla scum that I didn't realize
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Post Post #2860 (isolation #130) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:41 pm

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In post 2823, Heartless wrote:
In post 2818, SirCakez wrote:That's also a good point about Molla scum that I didn't realize
what point?
That his claimed role doesn't fit with the power levels of what we've seen
In post 2840, mastina wrote:
In post 2818, SirCakez wrote:That's also a good point about Molla scum that I didn't realize
So why the fuck aren't you voting there?
Because like I've said he's not my strongest scumread?
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Post Post #2878 (isolation #131) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:13 pm

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In post 2861, Heartless wrote:so according to your theory, scum have vanillaizer, jk, AND the manipulative joat

or... what? do you think aj is completely making up the jk claim?

b/c mastin's theory partly relies on aj being town ya' know
oh ugh I missed that part of the theory
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Post Post #2883 (isolation #132) » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:28 pm

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I don't think AJ is actually a JK if he's scum
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Post Post #2885 (isolation #133) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:58 am

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Because it's a strong role and will get lots of towncred, presumably
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Post Post #2907 (isolation #134) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:22 pm

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In post 2886, Heartless wrote:oh ok well i guess that makes perfect sen... HE HAD ONE VOTE ON HIM AT THE TIME AND THE WAGON WAS GOING AWAY ANYWAY

the. narrative. of. these. reads. make. no. sense.
And the claim timing makes any more sense as town?
It was shitty claim timing regardless of alignment, I'm not basing my read on that.
mastina wrote:
In post 2878, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2861, Heartless wrote:so according to your theory, scum have vanillaizer, jk, AND the manipulative joat
or... what? do you think aj is completely making up the jk claim?
b/c mastin's theory partly relies on aj being town ya' know
oh ugh I missed that part of the theory
Well then my new thesis is that only one of AJ and Molla are town, or both scum. Not both town.
Can't get a clearer example of...what's the word? Twisting? Of bending. Of backtracking? Not quite sure what the concept would be called, but this is a prime example of it:
Being shown wrong.
Then going, "Oh, well I'm still right because...", modifying it.

SirCakez is scum, who needs AJ as a mislynch candidate.
This is confbiased garbage. Just because part of the theory that makes up part of my scumread on someone was wrong, is not going to make me totally dump that scumread.
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Post Post #2909 (isolation #135) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:16 pm

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AJ!scum isn't going to know if he's going to be CCed or not regardless of when he claims unless scum get some inside info or something.
So assuming he already had the JK fakeclaim planned that doesn't really hold water imo.
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Post Post #2911 (isolation #136) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:20 pm

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The post you just made???
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Post Post #2914 (isolation #137) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:30 pm

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And given how AJ is fairly widely scumread, he would have been early in said massclaim no?
Plus he's been getting towncred from his super bizarre claim timing. So it wouldn't be a bad scum play.
P-edit: No ugh
I'm having a hard time trying to word this

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Post Post #2916 (isolation #138) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:37 pm

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Now that's something I didn't consider and is a really good point since that would be suicidal.
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(time for more backtracking yay!) I guess then scrap him being non-JK scum faking JK.
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Post Post #2917 (isolation #139) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:37 pm

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My critical thinking is not up to participate lately q.q
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Post Post #2918 (isolation #140) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:38 pm

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up to par*
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #141) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:40 pm

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You're right.

But him being a scum JK would negate those risks so I'm not going to discount that part.
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Post Post #2921 (isolation #142) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:45 pm

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Honestly I reallllly hate setup spec. Like I just want to rope scummy people, not solve a power levels puzzle. I know some people get a kick out of it but I hate it. So that's why I'm kinda jumbled with all these claims and balancing the power levels and etc.
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Post Post #2923 (isolation #143) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:56 pm

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Yes because I was all like "oh mastina knows her setup spec and that looks reasonable" but then oh I didn't understand the nuances of Ajs claim and then oh what I'm saying doesn't make sense and then oh I suck and shouldn't setup spec
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Post Post #2928 (isolation #144) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:27 pm

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ftr if a Titus wagon ever got going I would un-votepark asap
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Post Post #2933 (isolation #145) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:32 pm

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If someone would like to know about any of my reads more indepth I'll do so, no one has asked me anything tho (except for said Heartless conversation).
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #146) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:40 pm

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In post 2936, Heartless wrote:
In post 2933, SirCakez wrote:no one has asked me anything
could u plz smash my fingers w a hammer?
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Post Post #2994 (isolation #147) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:59 am

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In post 2943, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2928, SirCakez wrote:ftr if a Titus wagon ever got going I would un-votepark asap
I was sitting on Titus for fucking ever and even threaten to vote everyone that wouldn't vote Titus...why no vote then?
Yeah and I was sitting on Titus for nearly all of that time too, I'm very aware of that.

Zefiend's analysis under serious pressure for one night was strong OK. For the rest of the game he's done little to nothing.
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Post Post #3023 (isolation #148) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:10 pm

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In post 2999, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: Sircakez

This is L-1


The above is a super regressive discussion of shit that I'm not. Like to claim to edge a possible counterclaim vs BBMolla isn't exactly what I'd try to do as scum.
Your selfmeta defense is very convincing.

I am R2-D2! VT except for my Character Ability which is 1-shot Disabler thing. Basically I can PM Fire with a name and that person can't use event abilities for a day/night cycle. Pretty boring.

Excited to toss another mislynch onto my pile. Scum pool is (Titus, AJ, Molla, zefiend). If heartless is scum I'll be sad.
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Post Post #3024 (isolation #149) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:16 pm

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Man this feels like Street Fighter 2.0
Obvscum get away by mislynching me (varsoon in Street Fighter, zefiend here) and then will likely be lynched tomorrow because they pushed the counterwagon on town.
At least this time said obvscum isn't literally using a fakeclaim another scum already used and getting away with it.

So yeah zefiend needs DEATH tomorrow. Then Titus.
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Post Post #3026 (isolation #150) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:33 pm

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DO IT
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Post Post #3027 (isolation #151) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:33 pm

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heartless will you lynch zefiend/titus tomorrow?
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Post Post #3029 (isolation #152) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:34 pm

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DO THAT VC FIREBRINGER
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Post Post #3031 (isolation #153) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:33 pm

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someone's scared of being responsible for a mislynch
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Post Post #3032 (isolation #154) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:35 pm

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In post 246, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: SirCakes
In post 725, BBmolla wrote:
In post 723, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why aren't you sheeping Nero on SC if you're claiming you two are reading the game the same way?
I'm fine with SC lynch but AJ is more obviously scum
In post 3019, BBmolla wrote:intent to hammer sircakes
In post 3030, BBmolla wrote:anything else before I hammer folks
The entirety of Molla's scumread on me

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Post Post #3033 (isolation #155) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:36 pm

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Oh what I'm not even L-1

Fire you have Infinity voting me and not voting btw
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Post Post #3035 (isolation #156) » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:58 pm

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You've got more then this on pretty much everyone else you've mentioned reads on.
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Post Post #3044 (isolation #157) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:02 am

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In post 3036, BBmolla wrote:sircakez the honest truth is I am beyond terrible at mafia now. I am the worst player I've ever seen.

the only fact I know is I'm town and I don't particularly think you are so your lynch is better than mine.
:/
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Post Post #3052 (isolation #158) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:52 am

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Heartless why are you townreading Titus? I've asked you repeatedly about if you are willing to rope her and you keep dodging the question.
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Post Post #3054 (isolation #159) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:59 am

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In post 3027, SirCakez wrote:heartless will you lynch zefiend/titus tomorrow?
There's also this which was ignored.

Forget me. Why are YOU town reading her?
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #160) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:13 am

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In post 3055, Heartless wrote:i also thought i remembered posting it out here but i only posted it in the rogue crew...

i think titus is a smidge out of her emotional range as town. the only times i recall really seeing her play the "no one's listening to me, i'm right" card was as town. annoying, but still town.
iirc she did that as scum in SF
In post 3058, Antihero wrote:you know... now that you have your righteous indignation about titus on, why don't you talk about that read because i see you dinging her on activity (blah), scumflailing/ate (yawn), something about pocketing/wking klingon (which i asked about at the time and i still don't really buy into, klingon wasn't exactly a high accountability wagon), and something about how vote on nero is bad
This pretty much sums up my scumread on her!
Also as town she does things besides whine at the people wagoning her.
Heartless wrote:
In post 3054, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3027, SirCakez wrote:heartless will you lynch zefiend/titus tomorrow?
There's also this which was ignored.

Forget me. Why are YOU town reading her?
oh well shucks i don't know. how could you have any way to figure out if i would lynch titus and/or zefiend?
In post 3051, Heartless wrote:
In post 3043, Drunken Piper wrote:Heartless can I see your reads please.
I want to look I want to sees.
[nero, piper, infinity, mastina, aj]
[titus]
[molla, twie]
null line --> [pv]
[cakez, zefiend]


^where i'm at^

the mental acrobatics cake is having to do to hold onto his aj scumread is what got me about him recently but the interactions w/ pine on d1 don't look great either.

zefiend has yet to convince me his mastin read is legit.
You made this readslist because DP asked, not because of my question. So yeah you answered the question indirectly.
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Post Post #3060 (isolation #161) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:14 am

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Side question: where be TTH? I'd like to see what she has to say.
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Post Post #3072 (isolation #162) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:52 pm

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In post 3069, Aj The Epic wrote:So you're saying both wagons are being DRIVEN BY SCUM on TOWN Zefiend and Cakez? And you say Titus moonlogics.
Who's saying this???
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Post Post #3074 (isolation #163) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:09 pm

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hmmm
Nero why do you tr zefiend?
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Post Post #4315 (isolation #164) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:04 am

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This endgame was painful
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