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First!

VOTE: Creature

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

This had me in tears the other night. It's actually genius though.

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Gang's all here.

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Do you have meta on them that might be useful?

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Okay, I'll just lurk through all the first 3 days so scum won't kill me early. Hopefully scum are lynched meanwhile.

What?

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Scum theater? We don't even have a flip yet.

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It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.

Kinda feel like the second paragraph is too-much-explanation. As in, trying to justify it too hard.

Felt genuine to me.

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Could you break down your case on Gin a bit more Debi?

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If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.

This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.

You two know each other?

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Also no I am not an alt, I used to do mafia a lot of another forum is all, new things here such as what OMGUS or WIFOM have been explained to me via Wiki or other sources. This is my first time on this forum.

Creature if it was A ratio of Town:Scum:Other it would probably be 7:6:6:
So it would be:
For pine to be scum: 6/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be Scum: 5/18
For both it is roughly 1/11:
Meaning there is a 1/11 chance they are both Scum, but of course it is just a hypothesis.

PS: Genuinely not an alt, you can ask for my IP if you need some evidence.
PSS: Alisae is a Steam friend

So you think Gin is scum for attempting to clear himself early?

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Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.

Pine, reading into it too deeply is good, always. I mean, first impressions count right?

Well this makes me feel like you were stretching to find a reason to place a vote down but I'm not sure if it's because I'm a idiot and couldn't understand anything you were saying earlier.

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Yeah this game jumped out the gate rather quickly. Odd with the holidays and all.

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This setup talk is just noise to be honest. Stop.

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Alisae, I noticed you tend to accuse people of buddying a lot in general

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On second thought, is that an attempt to discredit me?

No. Just an observation.

I think you're going to end up confusing buddying with pocketing later on in your MS career.

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I think you're going to end up confusing buddying with pocketing later on in your MS career.

I'm already confused ;~;

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Should I give reads now?

Why are you asking for permission? Just do it if that's your thing.

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Should I give reads now?

Why are you asking for permission? Just do it if that's your thing.

Am I not allowed to ask if people care about my stance on the game?

Pine and Gin are my stronger townreads.
Uzi is probably town
Zach gun to my head town
Wraith townlean
Ircher townlean
Debi Null
Dunn scumlean
Creature Scum
Kyouko Scum

Anyone else null

I mean you can, just felt odd. Like people are going to care unless they're scum or think you're a VI.

Could you explain your reads on Dunn, Ircher, and Wraith a bit more?

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IM DONE ARGUING IT. IT'S NOISE AT THIS POINT

I said something similar in 143. What made you come around?

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Ircher is just asking for people's stances and honestly right now I feel like he's playing his town game. He wants to understand where people are coming from.
Dunn I don't like he said Debi was one of his strong town right away. Seemed like he was trying to buddy Debi.
Wraith is currently gut. He's probably also one of my "gun to my head town" reads.

Haven't got any bad vibes from Dunn to be honest. Tone feels genuine.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing from Ircher other than his question to Dunn a while ago. I did see a very bad push on Debi though that makes me very hesitant to lean town on him.

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I think you're going to end up confusing buddying with pocketing later on in your MS career.

I'm already confused ;~;

Hey!
Don't leave me in the dark!

Uzi... -_-

Later. It's not important now

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I think you're going to end up confusing buddying with pocketing later on in your MS career.

I'm already confused ;~;

Hey!
Don't leave me in the dark!

Uzi... -_-

Later. It's not important now

YES IT IS!
Explain -_-

I just meant that you tend to call things buddying that aren't buddying and that it isn't a real scum tell in my opinion. I think you should look for people trying to pocket you. As in people trying to make you TR them.

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Haven't got any bad vibes from Dunn to be honest. Tone feels genuine.

His ISO has almost no content. Tho he probs needs more time.

Needs more time indeed. I'm satisfied with 156, 159, and 163.

I didn't like 157 but I think that's just my personality and I'm also over it.

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In that case I assume you're giving Debi a TR?

Yeah I have her as town in my notes so far. I don't think scum would play gymnastics just to try to justify a vote and her explanation when I asked what she was talking about felt town.

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I can understand the frustration to be honest. Not everything needs a response and I wish more people on MS understood that.

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rb in the house!

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I can't help but think of Camn

You think he acts like Camn?

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I thought he was referring to Alisae.

I was confused because like they don't play similar at all and Camn is hilarious.

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On a rare occasion, I have to look at other dudes' painfully swollen dicks in my capacity as a professional EMT. Priapism.

People still use Viagra?

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Gin's reasoning for his RVS vote felt genuine. A little annoyed that it took him a while to stop arguing about math though.

I don't really like the Wraith wagon right now so I'm going to take a look Alisae's ISO and see if I can get behind rb. My vote for Creature isn't doing anything right now.

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Note that the word at is supposed to be after the word look in 291.

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Is asking questions not contributing?

Also VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko
Ignored my RVS vote completely.
The image I posted is something I know Kyouko wouldn't ignore.

The above and the lean town read on Ircher is what I don't like about Alisae.

I really hate the first quote. Asking questions isn't contributing if the questions are filler or questions that don't help get a sense of alignment. It also feels like a bit of a scramble to defend himself off of Dunn's vote which was essentially gut.

The second quote is just a weird way to justify a vote. Kyuoko showed up late to a party which had plenty of things that seem more worthy of a response at the time.

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Alisae, could you tell me why you had the reaction you did to Dunn's gut vote and why Kyouko ignoring your vote caused you to scum read him at the time?

@rb:

Is there anything else I'm missing in regards to Alisae? I'm scum reading Creature but if that can't happen today, I want to be able to completely trust your gut on this.

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oh forgot I was still on Alisae
VOTE: Wraith

Why is he your top scum read right now? I think I'm missing something with him as well.

Am I the only one that found his reasoning for voting Debi just stupid and too careless to be scum?

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Alisae, could you tell me why you had the reaction you did to Dunn's gut vote and why Kyouko ignoring your vote caused you to scum read him at the time?

It just seemed sudden that he suddenly came in and townread Debi when a lot of people were SRing him at the time.
Like it felt wierd and sudden to me. It wasn't a response to his vote moreso him just saying "Debi is town" that triggered my response.
Like, the timing just seemed off to me.
Tho now that I think about it, Debi seems more VI to me now.

And as for Kyouko, it just seemed like he was ignoring my attempt to get his attention at RVS.

So those feelings are what promoted you to ask the question in 167? I'm not seeing how it would at the moment.

I ignore your attempts all the time though. Why was it different for him?

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no 167 was prompted by Debi's response.

And that's because you're an anti-social meanie -_-
You don't ignore me all the time...

Ah okay. Would've helped if you would've quoted her.

Looking at it again though, 165, it seemed like a fair point considering you two know each other off site.

And I'm not anti-social, you just won't talk to me off site

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They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

What makes you think it was fake? Wouldn't scum be more aware of the rules?

Debi what are your thoughts on Creature?

and 9 scum the fuck?

I'm gonna assume you're giving Creature a townread. Based on what?

I have a problem with both Debi's logic and people voting Debi for such logic.

You think scum is pushing Debi for lynch bait?

Dunnstral thoughts on the current game sofar?

The above is all the questions you asked prior to Debi making that statement. I didn't have a problem with them but I can see why she might and as a result think you weren't contributing due to the rest of you ISO being just filler.

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YOU NEVER TALK TO ME! LAST TIME I REMEMBER I WAS THE ONE PMING YOU!

Because I rather talk off site but if you insist.

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Can you do me a favor and start talking about the game instead of talking about out of game shit?

I don't give a single fuck about your animes or your social life, fucking do something.

What exactly do you want me to talk about Gin because I'm translating this as just sheep me.

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VOTE: Alisae

Explain Alisae. Why are the things that we should look at in your ISO are examples of you scum hunting and what have you learned from the scum hunting you've done so far?

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Why are the things that we should look at in your ISO are examples of you scum hunting and what have you learned from the scum hunting you've done so far?

Because I want to make an attempt to show that I'm trying to scumhunt.
And I learned that I am very shit at this game if people think I'm scum cause my scumhunting is poor!

I understand that but I rather you either show how your scum hunting has helped you progress through the game so far or just continue to play your game than trying to prove what you're doing is helping the town. Everyone who isn't me that's pressuring right now has a drastically different play style than I do so I can sympathize but your responses to them so far have not made me feel better about your alignment.

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We just need rb to roll out the Spiderman memes and we're in business.

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Why are the things that we should look at in your ISO are examples of you scum hunting and what have you learned from the scum hunting you've done so far?

Because I want to make an attempt to show that I'm trying to scumhunt.
And I learned that I am very shit at this game if people think I'm scum cause my scumhunting is poor!

I understand that but I rather you either show how your scum hunting has helped you progress through the game so far or just continue to play your game than trying to prove what you're doing is helping the town. Everyone who isn't me that's pressuring right now has a drastically different play style than I do so I can sympathize but your responses to them so far have not made me feel better about your alignment.

It helped me understand and get somewhat of a feel of people. That's how it helped me during this game.
And I don't give a fuck, I am town. This is my mindset atm.

Clearly it's not working.

The problem is that your reads on Dunn and Ircher don't make me think that's the case. Mostly Ircher.

Also, it isn't working because of the fuss you made about buddying earlier and more recently, about the overall case on you.

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The problem is that your reads on Dunn and Ircher don't make me think that's the case. Mostly Ircher.

For giving Ircher a gut read, and Dunn a scumread, who needs more time and legit has no content.

Yeah I don't get your Ircher read. I barely see any of that in his ISO and I honestly think his case on Debi should have overruled any lean town read on him for the time being.

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I think rb really liked Debi's case on you Gin. At least based on his 263.

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Lol Uzi, you mean the fact that he ignores the discussion afterwards where Debi admitted to making a mistake reading it? Surely if rb was reading all that, he would have continued to read how there wasn't any basis there.

Yeah he's full of shit.

Yeah that's why I'm a little wary on following him this time around because I'm not understanding where he's coming from with you. He said he skipped 10 pages though so I'm not sure if he just decided to skim and point out what stood out to him.

Your description of rb is just how he is but I've seen first hand him willing to work with people as town shortly after the early stages.

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Lol Uzi, you mean the fact that he ignores the discussion afterwards where Debi admitted to making a mistake reading it? Surely if rb was reading all that, he would have continued to read how there wasn't any basis there.

Yeah he's full of shit.

Yeah that's why I'm a little wary on following him this time around because I'm not understanding where he's coming from with you. He said he skipped 10 pages though so I'm not sure if he just decided to skim and point out what stood out to him.

Your description of rb is just how he is but I've seen first hand him willing to work with people as town shortly after the early stages.

What do you make of him assuming three scum?

I'm not sure to be honest but I did like his response to you asking him to clarify. Does it really matter right now though? Things like that are just small things to add to a case or nothing at all in my opinion.

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I'm a fan of short days but I want to hear from the people who haven't posted yet.

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rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

I liked your catch-up post but I'm not following your reads on Ircher and Echo. Could you go in depth on them a bit more?

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I can call off your read on me because it looks opportunistic, so your read on Alisae, which I would expect you to take a deeper look, on Wraith, which you would also look at his playstyle, and EchoVision, the same as the other two.

What are you trying to say here? Are you saying that you find Human's read and vote on you opportunistic because she didn't meta dive those players?

Alisae: Never completed a game with me
LUV: Never completed a game with me (I think)
Grey: Never completed a game with me
Human Sequencer: Claims extra meta knowledge

I've never completed a game with you but meta is not why I'm scum reading you. I'm scum reading you because I don't understand how you came to 23 when we haven't had a scum flip yet and the announcement of RVS being over felt like just another reason to have a justified vote at that stage. Your responses to Wraith's entrance in 33 and 34 pinged me as well as 37. I also like the following from Human and it sounds like it can be backed up if I did a meta dive on you.

townCreature would be interested in why I scumread him, and use it as leverage to try and understand my slot better. Creature isn't confrontational. scumCreature is scared.

I didn't get the sense that you really cared about why Human is scum reading you during that exchange but I also didn't find you confrontational either. Your responses in regard to her meta analysis I wouldn't even say felt like discrediting, just felt like arrogance and you don't really strike me as the kind of person to show it like I think you were doing there. The problem is I can't tell if it's fake or if you're scum caught for the wrong reasons.

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Gin's reasoning for his RVS vote felt genuine. A little annoyed that it took him a while to stop arguing about math though.

I don't really like the Wraith wagon right now so I'm going to take a look Alisae's ISO and see if I can get behind rb. My vote for Creature isn't doing anything right now.

What do you dislike? The wagon composition? Or do you think Wraith is town (and why)?

See 306. I just found the vote stupid and careless, not opportunistic.

oh forgot I was still on Alisae
VOTE: Wraith

Why is he your top scum read right now? I think I'm missing something with him as well.

Am I the only one that found his reasoning for voting Debi just stupid and too careless to be scum?

Nah, that would apply to Debi. In Wraith's case, that was a super opportunistic leap.

I'm not seeing it, am I blind?

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I've never completed a game with you but meta is not why I'm scum reading you. I'm scum reading you because I don't understand how you came to 23 when we haven't had a scum flip yet and the announcement of RVS being over felt like just another reason to have a justified vote at that stage. Your responses to Wraith's entrance in 33 and 34 pinged me as well as 37. I also like the following from Human and it sounds like it can be backed up if I did a meta dive on you.

23 - I wasn't 100% sure of that, but it seemed like a good push to make
33 and 34 - One of these snarky posts
37 - I've been getting nightkilled early more often

If you're not used to play with me, you'll usually find me weird.

I've heard that, which is why I wished Wraith had given some meta knowledge on you.

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Appeasement!

You learned a new word

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I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Why is Gamma your top scum read currently? What are you trying to accomplish here voting an inactive slot?

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Were you drunk posting earlier rb?

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I remember when that meme took over Twitter for like a week. Funniest week of the summer easily.

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It should've been a staple like the MJ crying face but people like to kill nice things.

For Zach:

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I like wraith a lot right now.

VOTE: Gamma

Why is Gamma your top scum read currently? What are you trying to accomplish here voting an inactive slot?

I was seeing if I could attract a reaction out of him to see if he was lurking. No real meaning to it although I don't like how we got PMs about game start yet he's not here.

I'm finding this hard to believe to be honest. It read like you felt better about Wraith for town and decided to move on to another scum read.

Appeasement!

You learned a new word

I'm smart! Do I get a cookie now?

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Those cookies taste like shit but it's from you so it doesn't matter because you're cool!

Chocolate chip slander

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Those cookies taste like shit but it's from you so it doesn't matter because you're cool!

Chocolate chip slander

Hey! I love Chocolate Chip.
It's the fuckin bread that was used to make it, alright.
Also still nullreading you.

With that said, I don't like Gin's vote on Gamma either.

I actually prefer Subway's macadamia cookies but I hardly go there anymore.

And yeah I didn't like it either. First thing that has really pinged me about him all game so I'm a bit more willing to listen to what rb has to say if he does really have a plan. A part of me thinks he's playing this way to get better reads due it being such a large game but I'm not sure.

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VOTE: drealmerz7

Any thoughts on some of the active players you'd like to share?

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Don't get whoever is scum reading Human but Zach just feels town. Not a whiff of scum intent in his posts and he's been a bit vocal about some of the biggest wagons so far. As in, against them.

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Who was the person that was pushing rb on the setup stuff? I wanna look at her/him again.

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D7 has always been a bit of a wildcard in my experience. Just never really know with the guy but his entrance doesn't remind me of his entrance in the one completed game I have with him where he was scum.

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Okay well mhsmith is away but I'm innocent child and I will now analyze my McStratagem Burger results

Breadcrumb
Please

Why does that matter now? Mod confirmed.

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If true stop playing so half assed

If I can treat you and Pine as interchangeable characters there's something wrong

well tbh for a player like me there's no other way to play as Innocent Child except as lynchbait to then have your innocence announced. if i put effort in as town i become universally townread and unlynchable, and so the innocent child role becomes useless.

in more than 15 town games i've lived past day2 _ONCE_ in that entire time so i just don't ever bank on myself living long enough to use powers in some crafty way. i have to do something to make it somehow useful, and this at least built up some WaGoNZ and got a lot of discussion going.

and now i will find teh_scumZZ

Yeah I figured you were playing a bit different but I just thought because it was a large and you wanted reactions.

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Can't tell if Ircher is joking to be honest.

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Lmao rb.

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Okay well mhsmith is away but I'm innocent child and I will now analyze my McStratagem Burger results

Breadcrumb
Please

Why does that matter now? Mod confirmed.

Don't question it, just go with it!

Why not in this case? Mod literally confirmed it 20 minutes ago.

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When I wave the K passa its no espanol

@Lil Uzi bars

When I'm with my girl we're Pharrell and Vashtie.

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When I wave the K passa its no espanol

@Lil Uzi bars

When I'm with my girl we're Pharrell and Vashtie.

...I feel cheated on...

No you're still my first love. I just gotta make a Discord

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Ircher is probably town. This push makes no sense if he's scum.

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Derptown
Scum trying to look derptown
Too obvious to be scum
>Terrible reaction test

I mean this push is similar to the one on Debi where it was just as dumb but then his posts in between those makes me thinks he's not a VI.

He was TR by a few if I'm remembering correctly so I just find it unlikely.

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AA's ISO is literally a bunch of naked votes

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VOTE: All Alone

I rather see what we can get out of AA rb.

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Who said we were lynching for information? I just want more than naked votes from her/him.

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Did you learn anything?

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Yeah I mentioned this to Alisae earlier which is why I want to know who was pushing him about the setup stuff so hard

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I learned (or rather, reinforced) that Alisae plays very survivalistically and never examines the why to a post. Aka, Alisae is still lynchbait.

I think he'll improve.

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I learned (or rather, reinforced) that Alisae plays very survivalistically and never examines the why to a post. Aka, Alisae is still lynchbait.

I think he'll improve.

What's a y?

Huh?

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UNVOTE:

good lord people can we all stop doing "reaction tests" forever

because now I, for the third fuckin time since I woke up today, have to figure out where I want my vote, AND IT'S PISSING ME OFF

This reads like fake frustration.

Why didn't you ask questions? Why didn't you try to get a better understanding of things?

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Just noticed you're an XXXTentaction fan Zach.

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Yeah. I don't pay attention to signatures much.

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I wanted to check him out but then I heard he beat up his ex or something and than I just lost interest. Might do it if he's on the 2017 XXL list though.

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Gin's reads list didn't do much for me. It just felt underwhelming because it seemed like he was going to bring it. The little name thing he's got going on and his reaction to rb's comment on the list makes me think that is honestly where he's at right now, and that he didn't just throw shit together in an attempt to deliver.

The only thing I seriously felt compelled to do after reading it was to take a look at Echo's ISO. And I'm glad I did because I don't get a town vibe from it overall and I'm not sure why the frustration he was showing earlier eroded all of the previous feelings I had about the slot. Coupled with how forgotten he's been, it's going to take me a while to feel comfortable town reading him.

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Wait, Gin are you actually 18? I thought you were in your 30s

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^Scum pushing lynchbait^

Does your opinion change if we ignore his push on you?

Could you explain the purpose of this question a bit more for me? Something feels odd about it and I'm trying to figure out if it's just me being silly.

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I know what's SD's getting at but I don't care about that right now.

SD

, it seems like you've taken quite a bit of notes about this game, who do you think are D7's partners?

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I did a quick skim of the Newbie games you were in and your play seems drastically different from those two games.

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Yeah, just double-checked and those games were from 2014 too

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What were the alignments in those games?

One scum game and one town game.

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1068 made me laugh out loud honestly. I like it a lot because while it's not the best response to a vote coming from someone who's prod-dodging, it's not terrible what I think he's implying, because throwing your vote around with such frequency makes it lose value in my opinion. Which makes pressuring ineffective if someone knows you're not the kind of person to let your vote stew.

It's definitely not enough though for me to give him another pass and his entrances into the game have not sat well with me. He also seems to be doing quite a bit of note taking and since I'm feeling a little better about AA's alignment after his more recent posts, this is the next lurker I want to sort.

VOTE: Dinger

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Something still feels off about AA but I like the effort he seems to be putting into this Gin case and 1083 feels really genuine.

The problem I'm having with their back and forth is that I can see both sides because it's basically AA arguing that Gin is scum because he didn't explain what in his reread gave him a TR on Alisae while Gin is arguing that it was obviously implied and that if it wasn't clear, he'll explain later. I'm leaning toward AA's side here more though. I understand real life gets in the way and one may not have the time to quote every single one of Alisae's post from the early game to explain a TR but something should've definitely been attempted in regards to the step 4.

I'm going to wait until the weekend for a explanation from Gin because I honestly don't believe he faked those reads.

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No.

Motivation and personality.

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tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

Are you confident he's scum because of his catch-up post? I barely understood a word of it.

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Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

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Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

And you think I care about the walls part of this conversation?
God you're dense.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Wraith:

Could you explain how you got your read on Grey? I don't remember him being a voice of reason so I'd like to know how you got that conclusion.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Wraith:

Could you explain how you got your read on Grey? I don't remember him being a voice of reason so I'd like to know how you got that conclusion.

tl;dr He's coming to conclusions based off a clearly explained, visible thought process. Also just general goodposting.

Spoiler: Quote Wall

And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?

4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)

4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
VOTE: Debi

Bad vote is bad.

Scum isn't going to deliberately post terrible numbers that can't possibly be true because it'll simply be corrected immediately. It gains them nothing.

Debi's terribad theorycraft is NAI.

I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup

Welcome to my scum pile.

Echo are you saying it's not a slip in this case?

What's not a slip, what debi said about the 10:9 or whatever? Nah, that was just human error. Just her trying to prove her point. I've done the same kind of thing before. No scuminess behind it.

You got my vote then
VOTE: Wraith

So, is this a sheep vote or are you voting a scumread?

The lack of clarity in your posting is what has me happy to lynch you.

Well, that and the fluffing, and buddying, of course.

lol I didn't even notice this one my first time around

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Clarify this for me rb, are you saying there are only three scum? In a 19p game?

Wrong in hindsight but logical at the time.

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

I'd be interested in reading all about how your content resulted in all these reads.

Teach me, Yoda.

I also had the fact that Echo was annoyed that he missed 7 pages was a townslip. Seemed like genuine frustration to me.

You think scum is incapable of being frustrated?

You think town would be bent over 7 pages, which can be covered in less than ten minutes?

Idk, seems null to me.

I did a skim of RB's ISO an hour or so ago and definitely agree with Grey that this:

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Legit looks like a scumslip.

That said, I'm rather skeptical this game is multiball. I speculated possible multiball earlier because Debi's absurd hypothetical scenario could only be multiball, and it legit felt like a slip itself. But in hindsight now I definitely think I read way too much into some rather noob-y early hypothesizing.

But I'm skeptical that this would be a multiball game because 19 seems like too small a total for that. I figured multiball games would pretty much

have

to be in the 20+-player range. Then again, this is only my second real large game since returning to playing games after 5 years, so I'm potentially just out of touch here with how game size meta has changed.

So I'm pretty heavily leaning toward joining the RB wagon when I get home and have a chance to get through that re-read.

Uh?

The only way rb slipped is if the game IS multiball, so saying you think it's a slip but also saying you don't believe the game is multiball doesn't add up.

VOTE: Wraith

Scummy is scummy

But scummy != scum.

Your point?

Oh ikay so we don't lynch scummy players in this game we lynch towny ones?

Yeah nice

False dichotomy.

I didn't intend to promote a wagon, he has a cat in his avatar and we should spare him for now



we have rbs and Pines to lynch

I want to lynch Pine too, don't get me wrong, but why are you against a pressure wagon?

Admitting is a pressure wagon defeats the purpose of having it.

The problem I'm still having is your choice of words you used earlier to describe your most recent read on him. Calling him a voice of reason is like calling him a town leader, which I didn't see at all. I still don't now and those quotes don't help. I just find it really odd to describe his play that way, especially now that this conversation has reminded me that he was one of the main people accusing and pushing rb about having more knowledge of the setup. What are you thoughts about that now that rb is confirmed town?

The clarification of your read does help a bit but I'm only seeing that in the first, sixth, and ninth quote. How is the second and fifth quote good posting or coming to conclusions in a clear way? The fifth quote is just him sort of mocking Ali because he seems to be implying someone with the kind of content Ali had at the time of that post, couldn't have those reads.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

To understand my reasoning a bit more. Unless you're scum and you don't care about that stuff.
Plus it's not my duty to prove to you that I am town. It's my duty to hunt, find, and lynch scum.

WTF kind of response is this?

My point is if you are actually trying to scumhunt then you should be posting detailed explanations for your reads with context anyways, without anyone having to ask.

I'm not saying you have to post massive walls of quotes and text. That can be done badly to the point it gets ignored (cough dreal cough).

It's the difference between

I scumread Wraith because his post finding rb scummy for apparently scumslipping multiball while also simultaneously being skeptical of this being a multiball setup. Therefore, I'm voting to lynch him.

and

I townread Debi for being a VI. I scumread Wraith and Ircher for pushing a lynch on a VI.

The difference is that Grey's reasoning for scumreading me comes from a logical thought process that is clearly explained; you have decided Debi is a VI for arbitrary reasons you fail to elaborate upon and then scumread players based on that initial unexplained, arbitrary conclusion.

And that's just one example of fake scumhunting out of several so far already. And you're trying to paint ME as the bad guy for finding you scummy for this crap?

So you're basicly saying my playstyle is scummy?
Adapt.

Stop, you are not Pine

In reply to a few other questions/comments from before:

Yes it's been a while since I've played a game. My style here is different from the past; I'm trying to apply some lessons from playing the game since last visiting this forum.

Regarding reads, I'll try and contribute more as they come, but I really do find that day two is when things make sense for me. Day one seems to be a lot of big egos duking it out while scum hunting. That's cool, but I'm just not going to end up being one of big egos. That said, Drealmerz7's first post rubbed me the wrong way with his atypical eagerness, but I've appreciated his further comments since then so I am going to change my vote to reflect this tentatively.

Alisae seems to be pretty about shooting first and then not worrying about asking questions

, but that can be a strategy. However, I'm ultimately swayed by Zachstralkita's argument and position regarding TheRealGin-N-Tonic so I will support it.

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

I know this might not be a lot to offer while there is a wagon gathering for me, but that's what I've got. If I'm knocked out during Day 1, I accept that as a part of establishing culture and trimming incompatible players during the early game, even if they are townies.

Could you explain what you mean by this?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

can we not mega post

Are you caught up yet?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why do you care? ^

I want to see where his head is at because of my dislike of that post.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd like to change my vote to Gin
VOTE: Gin-n-Tonic

Also Human,
'So why did you react so emotionally to my scumread with what you perceive as shoddy reasoning compared to some light memeing with RB who has a scumread based on practically no reasoning?'
Anybody would defend themselves if somebody claims somebody as scum, not reacting is wierd.

It's not Gin defending himself that's the issue Zach seems to be having with him, it's how he's doing it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hi Human Sequencer, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Hi Lil Uzi Vert, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Thanks townblock, we are going to win this gaem.

SlickDinger
Gin
Ircher
Gamma Emerald

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

drealmerz7
SlickDinger
All Alone
Gamma Emerald

If you don't want total lurkers:

ssbm_Kyouko
Pine
Zachstralkita
Dunnstral

Everybody but -Grey- I'm decent to strongly townreading.

Why Zach and Dunn?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And Debi sort it by Town, Null, or Scum.
Not this third party bullshit.

Huh?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why Zach and Dunn?

After Pine, they're all nullreads, though I feel better about -Grey- than I feel better about Dunnstral and Zachstralkita, specially considering both aren't usually inactive.

I wouldn't describe Zach is as inactive. Or even Dunn.

I'm not sure what to make of Dunn but I'm curious about his experiences with Human, as he's the main one scum reading her if I recall correctly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why Zach and Dunn?

After Pine, they're all nullreads, though I feel better about -Grey- than I feel better about Dunnstral and Zachstralkita, specially considering both aren't usually inactive.

I wouldn't describe Zach as inactive. Or even Dunn.

I'm not sure what to make of Dunn but I'm curious about his experiences with Human, as he's the main one scum reading her if I recall correctly.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

In reply to a few other questions/comments from before:

Yes it's been a while since I've played a game. My style here is different from the past; I'm trying to apply some lessons from playing the game since last visiting this forum.

Regarding reads, I'll try and contribute more as they come, but I really do find that day two is when things make sense for me. Day one seems to be a lot of big egos duking it out while scum hunting. That's cool, but I'm just not going to end up being one of big egos. That said, Drealmerz7's first post rubbed me the wrong way with his atypical eagerness, but I've appreciated his further comments since then so I am going to change my vote to reflect this tentatively.

Alisae seems to be pretty about shooting first and then not worrying about asking questions

, but that can be a strategy. However, I'm ultimately swayed by Zachstralkita's argument and position regarding TheRealGin-N-Tonic so I will support it.

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

I know this might not be a lot to offer while there is a wagon gathering for me, but that's what I've got. If I'm knocked out during Day 1, I accept that as a part of establishing culture and trimming incompatible players during the early game, even if they are townies.

Could you explain what you mean by this?

Can you be more specific about what you want explained? Not trying to be difficult, I'm just not sure what isn't communicating well.

To take stab, is it about lurking/not contributing vs. contributing lots as a big-ego? My point would just be rehashing various day-one strategies and approaches, and what they mean. Specifically, if I were to make two categories of player approaches to day-1, loud and quiet. Some loud try and push for wagons on hunches, and some push for wagons because they are scum and want to go for extra kills. Some quiet lay-low because there isn't any voting information available yet and they have no hunches, and some lay-low as scum because staying quiet is a strategy for staying off of people's radar.

For what it is worth, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what would be constructive to offer the forum, but I'm drawing a blank. Someone will be lynched. I think it'll be Gin. I'm still worried about Drealmerz7, (and to an extent Aliase, but I think some of that is my emotional response) but we have one lynch this round and it'll be used by someone, so I'm leaving mine where I think the best arguments have been placed so far.

Mainly the word pretty.

mod note: Quote embed fixed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod:

Can you fix the quote tags in 1341?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Give names not shade

Are you caught up yet?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No
Still on page eight, rl and other things got in the way

Then why are you replying to what's happening now? It's starting to not sit well with me.

If you were up to date, you would know who he was talking about.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Debi, updated reads please if you will

Echoing this.

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@Debi: I'd like to know where you're at as well. I have something I want to point out.

Hi Human Sequencer, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Hi Lil Uzi Vert, what are your top4 lynch choices?

Thanks townblock, we are going to win this gaem.

SlickDinger
Gin
Ircher
Gamma Emerald

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

drealmerz7
SlickDinger
All Alone
Gamma Emerald

If you don't want total lurkers:

ssbm_Kyouko
Pine
Zachstralkita
Dunnstral

Everybody but -Grey- I'm decent to strongly townreading.

Why Zach and Dunn?

Wait, why and when did you scumread me?

I started having bad feelings about you after your terrible reasoning for voting Debi. I then saw a few people town reading you and when I asked them why they were, I sort of got pushed to the side, which only made me worry more. The reaction test you did earlier also pinged me, but I felt at the time that the likelihood of scum trying something like that is very slim, but after recently revisiting it, it seems like you didn't learn anything from it, which makes me question if the motivation for that test is coming from town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that and you're trying to paint it as scummy

I don't know what Human is trying to say but I don't find the above true at all. All that is open and clear in your most recent entrance is that you feel no one here can read you due to where you come from. We can't verify that because you won't link us your HS. We don't know how you've come to differentiating lynch bait and scum to form your read on Ali or why you feel Creature has no idea what's he taking about outside of him thinking he can read you. We don't know why you feel a Gin lynch is less likely at all or how you even came to that conclusion as well considering we have an IC who has been scum reading him for a while now. All of this is making me wary of your intentions but I think Human is reaching a bit whenever I attempt to understand what she's trying to argue.

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@Human: Sorry if I'm being dumb right now, but you could tell me a simpler version of 1485? Are you saying that D7 made up that VC in order to try to make it seem like he's been note taking throughly?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Pine, please fix your avi

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well, looks like we are going to be forced to look at his avi for the next 2-3 months now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

TTTT still has the worst avi on the site by far though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.

I must not understand what "pocket" means. Or one of us doesn't??

I thought it was like when a mobster has the police sergeant in his pocket, meaning the police sergeant will do what the mobster tells him to. But Pine isn't trying to tell Rb what to do, it looks exactly the opposite to me. Pine is asking Rb what to do. I hate it when people throw around jargon that I don't understand.

And it bothers me that Alisae threw in the word "legit" here. It's as if she's admitting that her other posts are not what she legitimately thinks.

VOTE: Alisae

This feels like a stretch and I don't buy that you don't know what pocket or pocketing means based on your join date.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

or rather texcat

What do you think about texcat voting for you?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

or rather texcat

What do you think about texcat voting for you?

It's wierd and awkward.

Definitely weird. Her justification mainly, which I don't buy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It is starting to look like I'm not going to get what I want out of Slick today.

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VOTE: Gin

I still want a detailed explanation for the reads you gave earlier. I recall you saying you would do it over the weekend.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm just moving on because I don't think Slick is going to give me anymore of his time. I go back and forth with Alisae but D7 and texcat's votes make me wary because I'm unsure about the intentions of one of the two and the other is reaching and trying to sell bullshit in my opinion. I don't really like the case against D7 and from my experiences with him, he's a difficult read. I just recently finished a game with him too, where he was scum and he was a lot more active at the start of that one then he was here so I really don't know.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lil Uzi Vert, sorry for letting you down. Are you still looking for an answer to what I mean by pretty? In short, if you cut the word out it's probably fine. In long, I'm luke-warm on how scummy or townie Alise is, but I have stronger feelings about other players.

Yeah I had no idea what you meant by it. I feel the same way though, it's hard to really tell with him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.

I must not understand what "pocket" means. Or one of us doesn't??

I thought it was like when a mobster has the police sergeant in his pocket, meaning the police sergeant will do what the mobster tells him to. But Pine isn't trying to tell Rb what to do, it looks exactly the opposite to me. Pine is asking Rb what to do. I hate it when people throw around jargon that I don't understand.

And it bothers me that Alisae threw in the word "legit" here. It's as if she's admitting that her other posts are not what she legitimately thinks.

VOTE: Alisae

This feels like a stretch and I don't buy that you don't know what pocket or pocketing means based on your join date.

So I still don't see anyone explaining whether I'm using it correctly, or whether Alisae is. And BTW I did look on the wiki and didn't see any explanation of it.

And the "legit" was sort of the last straw with Alisae. I didn't think that I needed to spell out all the ways she's been scummy since her first post; y'all were all here for it.

Ali was using the term correctly in my opinion but that's irrelevant right now. I feel like you're playing dumb based on your entrance into the game. You were able to come to a conclusion on what setup we're dealing with here but you don't know what pocketing is? Bullshit in my opinion.

Sure, there is enough things in Ali's ISO that are worthy of a vote, but you just subbed in. Which means you should have some sort of a refreshing view on the game which could be valuable considering the current game state. I rather you show that you've actually read and how you came to your read on Ali rather than what looks like just following the herd.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Replace me out, not feeling this game

No more than two games for Gamma during the semester!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think D7's anger is genuine but it's starting to be used as a way to justify things that I don't think are helpful for the town. I didn't like when it seemed like he was speaking for the town in the first part of 1688. Just because you can't ignore the noise that Ali is causing doesn't mean everyone else can't. I'm never a fan of policy lynches and I've seen a lot worse than Ali. If you have a problem with a player, PM the mod.

In his 1810, his anger shows up again in order to try to sell people on Creature based on something that doesn't make sense for scum!Creature to do blatantly. What's the motivation behind Creature blatantly pushing lurkers and pretending to sort them?

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D7, you talk about various players games being toxic but what about your own? How is your anger and frustration helping in any way?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I need a vote count.
Starting to like drealmerz a bit more
VOTE: Texcat

Talk to me about your read on Tex. She worries me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Texcat your posts are making your predecessor look bad... the first and last ones in your ISO are the only good ones

Did you have a TR on Grey? If so, why?

I can sum up why the policy lynch is almost a necessity right now in a couple of questions.

1) Do you, as town, trust Alisae to make a good decision in LyLo, regardless if you are alive or not?

2) Do you, as town, believe Alisae's spam-like posting and OMGUS behaviour benefit the town more than it does harm it?

3) Do you, as town, believe that you can get a fair read on her by the end of the game and will be able to fairly judge if her slot is scum or not compared to an a scum slot?

If you can prove how Alisae's slot strengthen's the vitality of the town, then I'll back off, until then, I'm 100% confident that this lynch is actually the better path to go down.

1) fuck yeah I do he practically has the same reads as me

2)its not really harming it so what's so bad about it, it's just getting you silly little scum fuckers upset

3) oml it's a he... Alisae is a fucking he... I've been clawing my eyes out every time someone calls HIM a she. Anyways, you even agreed he's town! in your previous post you legit said "alisae is one of my stronger town reads" so gtfoh

VOTE: TheFakeCokeNToner (gin)

1) Really? Alisae has the same reads as you. Can you tell us what those are? Spell them out for me, cause as far as I can tell Alisae has had a scum read on every single person in the game at some point. Is that what you're agreeing with?

Only post I've liked from you so far and really strongly points to Echo having a baseless TR on Ali.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

As much as I would love to policy Debi for lurking then hoping on a big wagon oppertunisticly, I really, really, really want that Texcat lynch done.

Yeah she was one of my strongest town reads up until her most recent entrance.

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When's the deadline again? I want to get more out of TC, but I don't think we will have enough time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We have till Saturday my dude

Oh that's more than enough time.

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VOTE: Texcat

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: I'll be v/LA until the 13th.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If AA was a good player, or town, he'd be able to deduce that I thought Alisae was town after I "reread." Ya know, the part where I said I reread it.

This is

exactly

the kind of non-answer I give out when I'm scum and someone catches me giving a bogus read.

Like, YES, obviously I saw the "reread". No duh, Clouseau. But there's still a clear incongruity there:

1) Gin reads the interaction the first time
2) Gin decides Alisae is scummy
3) Gin rereads the interaction
4) ?????
5) NOPE HE'S TOWN NOW

I think if Gin was town, he would have explained step 4 here. When townies backwalk their scumreads, they're usually really, really open about it. What changed? Why? There's not really a good reason to go into teeth-pull mode here, if it's a legitimate reread. But if Gin didn't legitimately reread Alisae, and there is no legitimate step 4, then the best he can do is point to step 3 again and act like that puts him above suspicion. Which is exactly what he did here.

Look at this little shit. His entire fucking vote, and narrative is saying I didn't do anything to explain my town read but open up the spoiler and tell me you dont see my saying what got me thinking Alisae was town.

Alisae
Spoiler: To Alisae or not to Alisae
Alisae
I'm actually going to say town, on multiple websites she admits to being a shit town and bad at hunting, in the basis that she asks questions about what she thinks is sus makes sense to me but I don't like her relationship to Creature, they almost seem to have the same mindset or like to back each other.

Another thing that's got me a tickled town read is the fact that she voted me for saying scum have day chat. Just that entire interaction screamed town to me reading back.

Fuck that bullshit misrep and continued push of a false narrative

VOTE: All Alone

I don't see a clear-cut or obvious misrepersentation here. You pointed out where you explained your town read on AA but it isn't really explaining, it's more so giving background information to Ali's meta and you finding his method of scum hunting sensible. If that is what you're calling explaining a town read, I don't see the problem with AA's push from what I'm remembering. It's hard to even buy what you're selling due to being unable to verify if this is how Ali plays mafia on other websites (a similar situation we are having with D7) and the lack of examples of which questions at the point of the game that you liked from Ali. The latter also makes this more of a hard sell since you've recently advocated for a policy lynch on Ali based on her play.

Also let's do these
{Me, rb}
{HS, AA, Zach}
{Slick, Dunn, Creature, Drealmerz, Debi, UZI}
{Ircher, Titus, Kyouko (THIS DUDE DISSAPEARED), }
{Gin, Wraith}
{Texcat, Pine}

Could you explain why you have Slick so high?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I see a future VCA hunter in you, however VCA isn't useful until there have been a lot of flips and you can start to color code them to find patterns.

You should meet JaeReed.
Last time I checked his VCA's were pretty on point.

Yeah Jae is pretty good, but VCA is still shit. It might actually be useful in this case though with the way is mod is doing the vote counts since it helps with actually bringing context into the picture.

I voted, and why I encourage a vote towards AA is for the following reasons:

He has 16 posts in total in which, we can break down fairly simple.
Starting off, the first 5 posts were naked votes and the 6th vote was a fake "town frustration" reaction by saying on D1 he doesn't know where to put his vote, thus frustrated does not make sense on D1 and this isn't his first game either.

In his post 1001, AA goes on to say my read on Alisae as town was the only with depth to it. "This is Gin's only townread with any depth to it" (Post 1001, All Alone). Therefore, All Alone has stated that I have reasoning to town read Alisae.

Then in post 1027, AA goes on to say I never explained why I town read Alisae. This is a direct contradiction to his earlier push and shows that All Alone has changed his narrative to fit his push; some of which involves misrepresenting to get it through.

As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.

There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.

That ladies and gentlemen is a case worth voting for.

This is a better presentation of your case but I still don't think AA was maliciously misrepresenting you. I just think the definition of depth is the problem and it wasn't really clarified. You do have a point about him just tunneling you all game. I'm not sure what's that about or what to make of it but it might just be his style of play. He might be the confident type in the sense that when he suspects someone is scum, he doesn't think he can be wrong and just blocks out everything until said person is lynched.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.

On what basis?

Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.

VOTE: Gin

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These both read very fake. Gin, your cases aren't being taken seriously because they don't seem like effort was really put into them and you are just saying I laid out my reasons over and over again without much explanation. That's not going to get people to work with you and the above reactions to people not buying your case doesn't make sense. I don't see the town motivation for claiming vigilante out of frustration and then I assume to be was faking putting yourself at L-1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

OMFG did you guys actually lynch Gin

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

I still want to lynch Alisae, but I think AA made some good points on Gin. And Gin was flailing a bit. I'd certainly vote Gin over Drealm.


But the real problem with the game is that no one is reading. We have Pine saying that he's not reading but will sheep the IC. We have the IC not reading but saying he will sheep HS. Titus just subbed in. Then we have Slick who says he's reading, but he's not posting. Debi who voted Friday for Gin saying that she was 99% sure he was scum, turns around and votes Drealm on Monday. The Lynchbait who has voted everyone in the room and claims to have the whole thing solved. I am just hoping that if we make it through Day One and get some flips that people will rejoin the game.

And speaking of sheeping, what's this? Uzi and Dunn are sheeping the Lynchbait???? No reasons here, so whatever.

Spoiler:

We have till Saturday my dude

Oh that's more than enough time.

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VOTE: Texcat

VOTE: Texcat

debi

I didn't sheep. I laid out concerns and I would like them addressed. You seem to be ignoring me for whatever reason.

I do like your more recent posts though and you bring up a fair point about why we can't seem to agree on a wagon. I don't think it's reading though. I think the majority have an basic understanding of the major wagons so far but nothing is really I guess incriminating enough or the play is just too scummy to be scum.

This is what trying to give a flying fuck about this game is like.

Maybe if you would stop playing Camn's game

15. Debi - MURKY. Lurking.

It isn't that I am trying to Lurk, nor wanting to, I'm just having serious problems picking up anything to say for many reasons. There are so many posts going on in an hour or so, it is really really hard to keep up with it, I come back from college or from a nap, and there are 8 or so more pages, which completely contradict everything that person has done up till then. Also the spamming really doesn't help, especially not from drealmerz. I can't keep up with it, I'm struggling telling what is a joke, an argument, or stupidity. Also I prefer doing larger posts, and I genuinely can't do it at the speed of which this game is going. Of course I can on the odd, when something is obvious and stands out, however the spamming and useless posts for the sake of posting really don't help it. Like what is the point in asking somebody about their avatar and if they do their own GFXing?

Also somebody asked me why I switched votes from Gin to Drealmerz. At the moment, these are my strong Scum reads:
Gin
Drealmerz
Alisae
Zach

I'll happily change my vote to any of them, if I can come up with a more convincing argument against them. So I thought Gin was the easiest to get lynched a while ago, but it then changed to Drealmerz. With evidence I'm happy to change my vote to any of the 4.

I actually prefer reads given this way but I wanted you to do them the way you did before to point something out. Why are you scum reading Zach?

ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

I concur w/ the latter assessment.
VOTE: Titus

How much experience do you have with Titus? Why aren't you attempting to understand her approach to this game?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

There's only one way for a vig to confirm himself

I know that but I'm having trouble understanding two things

1.) If you're for real, I don't understand why you claimed the way you did earlier.
2.) I don't know who we're lynching.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

He should take suggestikns, confirmed or otherwise...

I'm not a fan of directing a vigilante's shots, especially in a game this size. If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

He should take suggestikns, confirmed or otherwise...

I'm not a fan of directing a vigilante's shots, especially in a game this size. If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

He has a pool he picked, he will pick. Optimal vig shots leave town in a good position.

I'm not really a fan of it to be honest but if I were the vigilante and those were my options, I would probably choose between Echo, Slick, and Tex.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV, the difference is that I am barely invested in this game. I don't care about it. I have no stake. I don't have an interesting role. There are interesting people here, but there's also an enormous volume of shit. I mean, out of more than 2400 posts, at least 60% of it is self-indulgent drivel. That makes a game unfun.

Large games like this often are intolerable D1. The first round of lynches and NKs usually clears out some of the idiots, and gives me a chance to give a shit.

Honestly, I'd be more than happy to just PL on D1 of most larges, but getting a bunch of people on this site to do something sensible is usually an exercise in futility.

PEdit: I've found that leashing the Vig and setting the Vig loose are both counterproductive. The former lets scum influence a second NK too much, and the latter puts too much power in one set of hands. I'd rather discuss with the alleged Vig a small (2-4) pool of candidates, and let them use their best judgment to make a shot.

PEdit2: No, Alisae. Your Vig meta is wrong. Vigs are responsible for their actions, but leashing them tightly is a bad idea.

Then replace out. I understand the frustration but we have enough lurkers and inactivity as it is and we don't need anymore.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.

I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).

The two questions in case you forget are:

Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat

Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

Q1: Debi can go.
Q2: I am increasingly feeling like Slick is an attempt at an easy mislynch. There was a really easy flashwagon on him earlier, and now he's a lazy compromise lynch? Yeah, that sounds like bait.

I think Debi has more to offer and while I'm not happy with her recent play, it's understandable. 100+ pages is ridiculous for Day 1, especially for someone new to the site.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Titus: If I'm recalling correctly, Slick said he would be more active and have more to contribute Day 2. Why aren't you willing to hold him to that?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My top protect would be Zach.

Titus, why are you so dead-set about Slick? I don't see a case, other than a lurker case.

The vote history. I want a wagon that a)tells me about active players b)takes out useless slots c) has done nothing productive yet gets countered by obvtown.

So you don't really have anything?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can't get behind sheeping Titus when all she's lynching for is information. I know rb hasn't been active but I trust his reads a lot more from prior experience. I've seen the guy carry towns by himself. Can we just sheep him?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You are saying I am aligned with the mafia, which is part of a team who has other members with the same win coin?

Are you saying that you're SK?

I can't get behind sheeping Titus when all she's lynching for is information. I know rb hasn't been active but I trust his reads a lot more from prior experience. I've seen the guy carry towns by himself. Can we just sheep him?

No. No. No. If you were reading the thread, you would know that Rb isn't. Why would we sheep him?

He's just busy IRL, but even an occupied rb is better than most people who have all the time in the world.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Titus, can we do Ircher? I'll meet you there

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Ircher

Titus, can we do Ircher? I'll meet you there

tbh I wouldn't oppose an Ircher wagon.

I would

Why? I haven't seen anything that makes me want to town read him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm really trying to give Titus the benefit of the doubt here due to experience but I really don't see why Slick should be lynched right now. I just don't see how lynching a lurker that we can actually hold accountable Day 2 gives us more information than any of the other major wagons.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol Zach you listen to Taxstone?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ah. Thought you did the way you started the second paragraph.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think you just hammered..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aren't you like 16?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aren't you like 16?

18

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aren't you like 16?

18

IT'S ON MY PROFILE!
AND YOU FEEL IN LOVE WITH ME!
no that's it. We're on not talking basis anymore unless you apologize!

I was joking, I swear

[Lil Uzi Vert]

NK speculation gets us nowhere. What we can do is see if Tex pushed anyone other than Ali. If so, they're probably scum because I don't think her death was random.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

What's your case on this?

I don't really do cases, more so reasons.

- His poor push on Debi
- His reaction test he did earlier which felt pointless and a grab for town cred since he's yet to say what he learned from it
- His vote for Titus was poor as well. Solely voted her because of meta
- His sheeping Titus of a no lynch

[Lil Uzi Vert]

also Uzi, I like your TR on me. But that's shit VCA btw.

Yeah I don't VCA, gotta leave that to mama Titus

[Lil Uzi Vert]

also Uzi, I like your TR on me. But that's shit VCA btw.

Yeah I don't VCA, gotta leave that to mama Titus

By saying that I am town because Tex was hardpushing me is VCA, no?

Not really, just an observation based on her reasons for pushing you. Her case was basically that you should be policy lynched and that you were using buzzwords incorrectly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Remember how we agreed to lynch wraith if the game was multiball

Huh?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Remember how we agreed to lynch wraith if the game was multiball

Huh?

Anticipating your follow-up.

We didn't all agree with Human? You said we.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why? Do you feel Ircher is town?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not getting a fake vibe from Wraith's wall posts or reads.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Based on what?

If that's the case for Wraith then I'm going to need a bit more. I rather force Slick out to be honest.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We don't have to discredit everything Gin said. Everything before the fake claim is fair game. He had a wagon on him long before then.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kyouko, scum is scum. Saying the red or blue team will just shoot x isn't a reason to not push for a lynch if you're scum reading someone.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hold. Dunn if you had a guilty on Echo, why didn't you vote for him as soon as Day 2 started? What was the Wraith and Zach stuff about?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Failed reaction test I'm assuming?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Dunn, help me understand what you're doing right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*yawn* When are you going to stop mindlessly copying things from your other games Alisae? Getting sick of it tbh

This. I really like the Desperado role though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Slick

Yeah Slick has failed to deliver so far and I'm not comfortable with letting him slide any longer.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What's even going on right now?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could someone archive dig? Has there ever been multiballs consisting of 3 mafia factions? Seems unlikely.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll make a caught up post when I get back to my house today

I miss your old avi.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The one with the chao or Hanyu?

Chao.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Uzi watch kodaks ski mask interview lmfao

Lmao I lost it completely when he told Charlemagne that his dick got stamina.

Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

What's your case on this?

I don't really do cases, more so reasons.

- His poor push on Debi
- His reaction test he did earlier which felt pointless and a grab for town cred since he's yet to say what he learned from it
- His vote for Titus was poor as well. Solely voted her because of meta
- His sheeping Titus of a no lynch

1) I already explined this, please pay attention.
2) I did, but not all reaction tests give people a lot to work with, Null perhaps, but not necessarily scummy to be able to come up with anything conclusive from a reaction test.
3) I yield,
4) I yield.

Even with the explanation, the push overall still doesn't sit well with me. What do you mean by yield here?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I agree with all of Dunn's reads, yet he skeevs me out.

Could you go into depth why?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

yeah ircher scumming it up, slick probably a valuable role dont let off, Ircher can be done later

absolutely fucking horrendous post lmao
ircher is towny to me (idk not a high priority slot) and that the fuck is that about slick?
if he meant 'slick is probably a (town power role) don't let off' then it's ??? scumslip maybe?
if he meant 'slick is probably a (mafia power role) don't let off' then where the fuck did he get the idea that he was a maf power role? afaik i'm the only one who was ever really defending him, do you sr me kyouko?

HS is lock town

WHAT THE CUCK IS THIS DUNN
stop playing my emotions like a fine harpsichord

Titus why ? ? ?

HOW...?

THATS RICHER THAN STICKY DATE PUDDING STRAWBERRY MESS MERINGUE CHOCOLATE TART WITH CHANTILLY CREAM COMING FROM YOU

3440
eh i feel like this is kinda towny, definitely not pr so i wouldn't be too sad if it went through at this point but slick hasn't played that much and seems genuinely overwhelmed with this game in a way that i doubt scum would so openly display.
his comment about dunn scumhunting the other team (although i don't necessarily agree with it due to dunn being ???) isn't something i find realistic coming from scumSlick

idk about zach i'm fucking confused. i need less players in this game tbh, mafia is hard

rb sneaking in a 4am post

i don't really like the slick wagon anymore
VOTE: kyouko

Why are you town reading Ircher? I think I asked you this before when you gave a reads list a while back but you never got back to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

HAHA VOTE TITUS GOOD ONE!

No thank you.

I can read SSBM though!

Nope SSBM is town!

I would have preferred some actual SCUM TO LYNCH, but thanks for offering!

I'm not sure how to describe it but the tone of these posts feel like you're trying to fake a persona here.

Why do you want to lynch Echo over SD again?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Echo has been posturing all over the place literally this entire game and their posts are clearly not explorations of the game but rather hamfisted attempts to look like they were exploring the game.

Like, literally the definition of exaggerated attempts to look like a good townie while having absolutely no substance to them.

Mind giving some examples?

I'm not really seeing it after a reread. I see awkwardness that's obliviously being used to hide behind being in the unknown. A bit of genuine frustration too.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@uzi I did get back to you

79
This isn't a scumread I think is particularly likely to come from scum. It reads more like townIrcher coming up with a bit of a stretchy scumread than scumIrcher doing the same.

106
Same. Reads far more like townIrcher going down the wrong track, as opposed to scumIrcher trying to start a wagon or something. Based on an understanding of Ircher's personality (I hesitate to use the word 'Meta' again, lmao), I read his tunnel on Debi genuine.

141[/post]146[/post]
Ircher picks up on the same thing I did 18 pages later. His logic is valid, and this incriminating Wraith is something I can (and did) absolutely get behind. If Wraith flips scum, Ircher is likely town, and Wraith is one of my higher scumreads atm.

204
Ircher wants to hear Dunn's opinion on Debi's slot. Town motivation is understanding Dunn's read on Debi for two reasons
1. Try and sort Dunn
2. Try and sort Debi
Ircher takes the points of other players' on board while formulating his reads, and the only scum motivation is 'Trying to look like town' and 'Understanding Dunn's perspective to manipulate him better'. I don't see the latter coming from scumIrcher at all, and I don't think this is the way scumIrcher would go about the former.
Worth noting Dunn never elaborated (not that that necessarily incriminates Dunn) and that Ircher never pushed him for it.

211
I really doubt scumIrcher would bother to mention this, unless Creature/Ircher is a scumteam and Ircher was interested in using this particular post for towncredit later, and I really highly doubt that's the kind of thing Ircher would do.

559
Reads genuine. He believes in his conviction, and does some minimal backpedaling, admitting that perhaps he was a little forefront with it, but still believes in it logically, which is a good sign. The logic is sound, and I doubt scumIrcher would do his half-backpedal without going the whole way and admitting that he was wrong to begin with.

567
Ircher again proving that he's interested in how other people read his scumreads. Supports his questioning earlier w/ Dunn.

571
Same.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced Ircher is town. Does anybody else wanna point me to any posts they find particularly incriminating they made? Uzi in particular. I hope my logic was written well enough for you to understand.

Weird. I'm trying to figure out how I missed it.

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I don't agree with your take on his 79. I believed the history Gin said he had with Pine and at the time I didn't see a reason for him to go out of his way to explain his RVS vote. Wanting a justified vote is NAI and the way he points it out read like he was trying to plant doubt early on.

I already expressed my dislike for his push on Debi but to reiterate, it ultimately read like a poorly thought out attempt to go at LHF. Wraith's vote was just idiotic but I didn't get any scum intent from it. Just someone who skimmed and believed they got the general idea of what Debi was talking about and didn't agree with it.

204 is fair.

Not sure what to make of 211 but I don't see it as AI. How did your town read solidify or grew from that post?

His backpedaling on the Debi push doesn't do it anything for me other than just describe a bit why I felt the push was bad. I just don't see how he could think the way Debi came to her conclusions on the setup lead him to believe she's scum.

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What do you make of his reaction test when rb claimed IO, his vote on Titus when there was some talk of her meta, and his no lynch vote at the end of D1?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lil Uzi Vert has been prodded

Prod received!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Uzi holy shit why can't everybody just be more like you. IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE WITH ME ON MY READS THIS IS HOW YOU FUGGIN DO IT PEOPLE

211 very clearly comes from an Ircher who has experience with this before. Creature is a very distinctive and unique player, and I doubt what he's saying is incorrect. If that's the case, what conceivable reason could scumIrcher have from mentioning it?
I understand that the absence of a scum motivation doesn't necessarily make a post completely townie, but in this particular instance I just highly doubt scumIrcher would say that. It's the kind of idea I could realistically see townIrcher formulating in his mind and sharing to the thread just because it's on his mind. I think that's far far more likely than scumIrcher being all manipulative, especially considering how he's played in games with me in the past. I'm glad you reminded me of these posts, because now I've remembered Ircher slot is pretty much conftown.

RB vs. Ircher was hilarious, weird and confusing all at once. I get the feeling Ircher was just really fuckin confused, and when he got a handle of the situation didn't want to lie about what he was doing and felt like 'well I just didn't understand' wouldn't be a valid defense for his actions. Yeah, it's survivalistic play, but in this particular instance I believe it's NAI at best because that's exactly how I expect Ircher would react in that particular circumstance as town. Ircher does weird and confusing things sometimes-- Look at the end of D1 in the mini normal Alisae, All Alone and I played recently for his softclaim, and perhaps you'll understand my reasoning a little better.

His titus vote just seems like a nice place for him to park his vote while he waits for something worse to come along. I don't think there was much thought to that vote tbh.

Ircher doing weird things for questionable reasons also kinda waives the whole 'No Lynch' thing. I think he was trying to do something along the lines of 'Get Gin confirmed' because he was scared of taking any drastic actions.

I see what you're saying about 211 and it kind of makes me strongly doubt the possibility of him using it as a ploy for town credit now. Creature tells aren't exactly a dime a dozen and him sharing that information is more likely town motivated due to Creature being one of the hardest people to read on this site.

Could you link me to that game if it's finished?

That's a problem if that is what his Titus vote was for. Why did he feel the need to park a vote at that stage of the game? It read like he hoped the meta talk about Titus would get a wagon going and he wanted to luck out incase it went through by being one of the first ones on it for those who like to VCA.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yall really got this man at L2. Come on folks

Let's display some initiative and critical thinking skills

Why aren't you scum reading Slick?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Wraith

This is a better wagon.

Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.

This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.

Why do you need Titus' vote specifically? What makes you think people will follow if she joins the Wraith wagon? She hasn't really swayed anyone into doing anything recently and when she was more vocal (during the end of D1), she was just tuned out.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

pretty sure slick is town

vote dunnstral

or creature

or alisae

or ircherslot

Okay, the enemy of my enemy is a friend, or some approximation there-of:

VOTE: Alisae

Alisae is still leaving me with strong feelings so I'm leaving my vote here.

Does this mean you're town reading D7?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Titus why are you ignoring the Wraith wagon.
Wraith is obvious scum and he needs his head chopped off TODAY. PRONTO.
I'm going to be PRETTY ANGRY if you guys don't start voting him.

This reads like an unnecessary threat. Why should we care if you get angry?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i'm so fucking glad mort is here aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why you not doing anything?

Maybe you should wait..

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

Thinking. I want to ISO Creature in a bit. At a glance, the recent cases on him look good. Especially Zach's.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is that true Zach? The first part?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Raindrop, drop top
Stealing all of the page tops

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yall really got this man at L2. Come on folks

Let's display some initiative and critical thinking skills

Why aren't you scum reading Slick?

All of his posts and tone day one. Also his whole approach to this. He doesn't even appear distraught or look like he wants to save himself.

You don't think he's faking or capable it? I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since this is his first game in three years but he seems like he knows what he's doing.

Did I say how piff that Uzi avatar was already

Someone, one of you, should sell me Echo. Actually when something's on the menu they normally put words next to it. Here there's blank space. I didn't find his consistent cursing and xdjjdjfhjei AI, and I asked him to elaborate on the Dunn read that he didn't before and though I don't agree with his conclusion, it's something I can see him coming to based on my image of him.

Severa hasn't elaborated on a single one of their reads yet, even when asked. Just kinda seems like he's dodging it because he really has no reason for his wagons

This.

I don't understand how he/she expects anyone to work with him if they're unwilling to explain why we should follow.

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@Severa: I've asked you a few questions earlier and it seems like you're purposefully ignoring me. Why?

Was Pine replaced by Severa?

What are people's thoughts on All Alone? I think they are scum.

I liked the pressure they applied to Gin early on and the majority of the case on him they had presented. They haven't really done anything since so I'm a bit worried there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, I don't need to have a completed game with Wraith to note diferences.

Uh yes you do. There is nothing close to actually had being in game with a person as opposed to just a skim or even a through reread.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you confirm that?

Maybe from a nightkill?

Looks like scum theater.

What forums are you from?

Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum.

Implying there's 9 scum and Debi knows that?

Btw, did anyone check the forums Debi linked to see if their games are usually 10v9?

Why?

Opinions on the wagon?

I can call off your read on me because it looks opportunistic, so your read on Alisae, which I would expect you to take a deeper look, on Wraith, which you would also look at his playstyle, and EchoVision, the same as the other two.

For anyone

What do you think about Human Sequencer?

He's dismissed my reads as sucky, called it a trust tell and implied that I'm scum with ulterior motive all one after the other. What's the town motivation for this?

Say you're an unconfirmed town, the other two town are confirmed and they're both voting the other unconfirmed player that in your pov must be scum. Do you hammer or waste town time with more explanations?

Let's test:
If you know my meta very well, how do I play as town and how do I play as scum?

Hey Gin.

If you think I'm lurktastic as scum, why are you still scumreading me and why are you taking 37 serious?

What do you think about Pine?

What we gain with a nolynch?

Since when mafia is yellow?

Hi Severa, reads?

Did you play Hunger Games II though?

and your scumreads want what?

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I remembered Zach implying that he doesn't feel Creature has been game solving or sorting people so I decided to skim Creature's ISO to see for myself and I found quite a bit of what looks like genuine attempts considering Creature's play style. I think a majority of these in context are him trying to figure the game out in his own way but the rest of his ISO doesn't make me feel he's town. A bit conflicted here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This has been the world's most boring game in the history of boring games

VOTE: drealmerz

Why are you still scum reading D7?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV, try and keep it in 1 post

This is just easier honestly. Walls aren't pleasant and are rarely presented well since most people don't have the time or patience to make things neat.

Severa is an RC alt, RC's signature is a meme

Ah. Things makes sense now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.

Fine.

I went through your ISO and the only reasons you've have listed for Wraith being scum is his assumptions made from Debi saying they're 9 scum and his Kyouko push.

Why are you not taking into account the tone of the posts from Debi where she was talking about her theory? I do agree it was quite silly to assume multiball off of such a crazy theory but why isn't it possible for someone to come to that conclusion due to how serious Debi seemed and prior setup knowledge? I'm sure there has been multiballs with 3 teams so I'm not sure it was such a drastic leap.

Why are you ruling out how many people thought Kyouko had scum slipped or what you can infer from someone who was frequently mentioning the colors red and blue shortly after texcat flipped scum?

Uzi Vert, anyone can ask questions.

I know that, but I want to know why you feel that those weren't serious attempts to game solve and sort people. Especially if you take context into account. The reason I'm asking is because while Creature did quickly go to meta as a defense, don't you think he's the kind of player where you have to have an intricate understanding of their personality to feel pretty good about them being scum? At a glance and when I peeked at a few of the posts I quoted, I didn't smell a whiff of scum intent from them and they felt like things he genuinely wanted to know in order to help figure out someone's alignment or the game state.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

From the reads he presented I don't feel he used that information to an extent that could be constructive, save for a few of them.

I feel like he's the sort of player who can manipulate you because of how enigmatic his play is.

If you're talking about his reads in 3574 then yeah I agree there.

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@Creature: Mind explaining how you came to that list in detail?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My reads mostly come from guts and metas, for me it is easier to explain my townreads than my scumreads.

VOTE: Creature

Please point out posts and explain what they're telling your gut and why.