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Post Post #919 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:29 pm

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In post 915, RadiantCowbells wrote:KillTheStory has been lynched! He was Voldemort, Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof,
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Post Post #923 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:35 pm

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In post 921, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 919, JaeReed wrote:
In post 915, RadiantCowbells wrote:KillTheStory has been lynched! He was Voldemort, Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof,
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I need colors. What do I look like? A reader?
Your avatar has those fancy glasses and everything though!
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Post Post #934 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:50 pm

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Hi

What was the supposed slip and who pushed it as one?
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Post Post #936 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:55 pm

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KTS was the lynch though wasn't he? Not shadow step?
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Post Post #938 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:00 pm

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Oh he was replaced.

Titus who are your townreads?
do you need me to do anything or can I be lazy?
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Post Post #941 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:22 pm

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Hey Lycan.

@DEO k, what's with the early townread on Klingon? That's my main concern with you as of like page 15 where I'm up to.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:58 pm

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I'm having nightmare flashbacks to Math's fake read of Klingon. I didn't see anything outstanding from Klingon by that stage, and her play in Shadowrun was as you just described and as you know she was town there.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:59 pm

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Why do you now scumread her? Is it something that happened after page 19?
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Post Post #946 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:13 pm

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Never said you were your sibling. My issue is with largely unsubstantiated yet seemingly hard town reads early on, on well-known lynchbait. Considering I've been burned by that before.

You're voting RachMarie right now. Your original reasoning seemed to be that you thought she was buddies with S_S, correct? What are your thoughts on her now?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:01 pm

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Hey Vedith talk to me about Creature? I didn't like his thing about everyone being unreadable like 15 pages in or so. So far at page 20 reading up.
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Post Post #952 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:46 pm

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In post 366, Creature wrote:Sorry everyone's being unreadable and game is currently uninteresting.
Page 15, then proceeds to say he'll just sheep someone (presumably Creeps) and votes Gamma. I'm used to town Creature getting reads off far less than what was in thread by page 15. Might be an investment issue rather than AI.
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Post Post #956 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:05 am

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In post 954, Creature wrote:What do you think about RachMarie and Creeps20? Since you like meta, you can see them.
I'm too lazy to do a dive. I brought up meta with you because I've played with you before.

I think RachMarie is a fine candidate for scum as of page 20.
I think Creeps has a lot of his scumreads as scumreads for entirely NAI reasons, or just for being anti-town (anti-town does not necessarily mean scum indicative). Plus the null reads where I feel there should be enough for a read. I did read a newbie game with him in it recently where he was town and looked kinda scummy to me, just off memory. I'm hoping he has more further on for me to figure out if he's just using bad logic or scum that doesn't know what to push on.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:29 am

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In post 955, Vedith wrote:I guess it's possbile. I still like Creature as town though. Opinion on how his attitude changes to the game throughout day 1?
I'm only up to page 20 in my catchup and it's like 10pm so I'll get back to you on this. Off the top of my head I liked the questioning about GE after the post I quoted, disliked the push on Postie for the "slip" but he wasn't the main proponent there so idunno. I also liked the townread on DEO. Don't get the townread on RachMarie at like page 19ish(?).

I do like the pick up since the quote I posted so far in my read.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:11 pm

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I'm not seeing it. Why have you removed me from the lynchpool?
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Post Post #996 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:20 pm

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In post 994, Klingoncelt wrote:The good news is that I "bubbled" KTS. He's not going to the Dead Zone.
So he's coming back?
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:39 pm

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In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:Night phase got skipped like a scrawny kid in dodgeball picks apparently.
me =(
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In post 679, Klingoncelt wrote:Basically I have the playerlist divided in two. KillTheStory/(Shadow_Step)'s flip will tell me a lot.
Klingon when you've recovered can you expand on what you learned from the flip?
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:54 pm

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I wanted to finish reading up first. I haven't done so yet but eh. I was also kind of thrown since I thought Titus was still the only one in that slot.

I'm also wondering why you didn't ask Titus what I was referencing by that point, and also the lack of comment on the fact that I didn't think Klingon had done enough for a clear townread from Titus.



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Post Post #1008 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:11 pm

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In post 955, Vedith wrote:I guess it's possbile. I still like Creature as town though. Opinion on how his attitude changes to the game throughout day 1?
As of halfway through pg 32 I am liking him for town, yeah.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:51 pm

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In post 790, Creature wrote:
In post 693, Killthestory wrote:OH I FOUND IT. I'M ALIGNED WITH TOWN.

i'm dumb.

anyway i'm The Dark Lord Voldemort. Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof

if someone types The Dark Lord Voldemort it turns into He Who Must Not be Named and vice versa. it'll change now, you'll see.
In post 791, Creature wrote:Okay, whatever

VOTE: KTS
Talk to me about this, Creature? Why did you quote KTS claiming then vote him in the same minute after saying earlier in the page that he was more likely town?
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:05 am

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In post 790, Creature wrote:
In post 693, Killthestory wrote:OH I FOUND IT. I'M ALIGNED WITH TOWN.

i'm dumb.

anyway i'm The Dark Lord Voldemort. Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof

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In post 791, Creature wrote:Okay, whatever

VOTE: KTS
No. Move your vote back.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:05 am

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ew phantom quotes.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:08 am

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In post 1006, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1000, RachMarie wrote:Well I am gonna check on things this weekend I am in the middle of working on a large report for a client I am supposed to have to him tomorrow night and I cant sit at the computer any longer tonight, Its in the 20s and my fingers are cold and I do not want to run the heater any longer today, so I am going to bed now.

Over the weekend, I will look at some ISOs and see who else I think is scum. I was actually surprised SS/KTS was not scum after all.
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It makes me wonder if there is some weird catch-22 going on in the game (both for scum and town! so weird!)

To explain more, if The Sun is scum, but Night can't come because The Sun is constantly "out" (alive), and scum can't perform a kill until Night...

that would mean scum have to rely on mislynches only until perchance The Sun gets lynched and then it is business as usual ?

so as much as they want to perform NKs, they don't want their own lynched
and as much as we (town) don't want NKs, we want to lynch scum, and if that is The Sun, and makes Night come

yeah, catch-22 for both

I can see RC doing that

not that I want to distract from what I think is a good lynch in RM, but, no one is really pushing that or going there it seems and I think I just sold myself on creature as scum!

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: Creature
I swear if you move your vote off obvscum because of this stupid ass theory I will fucking policy lynch you. Get your vote back now. Take your towncred from lynching scum.
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:09 am

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In post 1013, Creature wrote:
In post 1009, JaeReed wrote:Talk to me about this, Creature? Why did you quote KTS claiming then vote him in the same minute after saying earlier in the page that he was more likely town?
Disliked his role (not flavor), also, maybe KTS wasn't allowing zefiend to post.
Fair enough theory.

Why did you remove someone else from your "don't lynch" pile for not really posting but not remove Clemency from it?
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:39 am

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I'm planning to vote RM once I finish catching up as things stand. Creature is very likely not scum though, and if he were stopping the night phase WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN? You are literally advocating lynching the person who is stopping scum from killing rather than trying to find a partner if you think he's scum. It's stupid.

I don't think Creature is scum by play so far. As of page 35.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:41 am

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drealmerz, you've already proven once that your theories on how people should play are wrong. I honestly think you tend to just decide on a theory and then confbias yourself into a tunnel because you want to believe in it so bad.

Keep the pressure on RM. Make her team mates sweat it out on whether to bus her or not. Make her sweat it out on whether she can save herself or not. Give her a chance to prove she's town under pressure if she's not scum. You're not doing anything with a vote on Creature right now and I think he's town.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:01 am

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VOTE: RachMarie here, have my support in numbers. I wanted to wait til I caught up fully but I'm actually pretty confident in this. Her vote on S_S/KTS was awful and read of someone trying to reach for a reason to get on the leading wagon. By far the worst vote on his wagon in my read up, the least righteous. The vote on Postie earlier reeked as well.

I don't think Creature is scum by play and also by your own analysis there. If you think RachMarie is scum you can't think Creature is scum because you don't believe scum would be bussing this early. I don't think Creature is scum by play or by associates with RM if you wanna go into pre-flips.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:14 am

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I have no idea and I don't really care to be honest. If you're right and it's Creature keeping day alive then it's good for us because we can just keep lynching the scummiest person and move on without losing the more townread types.

If it's Creature and he's scum then we'll eventually get to him. If it's Creature and he's town then scum likely have a dayvig (or town does and RC expects them to cock it up, which is quite likely given how shit towns have been playing lately).

If it's not Creature then I have a theory that we'll go into night after this lynch, given Lycan said something about Double Day in his first post. I dunno though.

I don't really think it matters much. It's both a benefit and a curse depending on roles and stuff. I feel like discussing it too much might give scum more information as to our potential night actions and I just really don't think it matters because I prefer winning or losing through scumhunting than mechanical clears/guilties anyway.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:32 am

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In post 1051, The DEO wrote:I don't believe KTS is there with you Grandma.
In post 1053, The DEO wrote:Klingon claimed to bubble KTS and talk with him. I do not believe that.
I believe her. It's too far-fetched to be fake.
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:33 am

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In post 1056, The DEO wrote:
In post 1046, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1005, JaeReed wrote:I wanted to finish reading up first. I haven't done so yet but eh. I was also kind of thrown since I thought Titus was still the only one in that slot.

I'm also wondering why you didn't ask Titus what I was referencing by that point, and also the lack of comment on the fact that I didn't think Klingon had done enough for a clear townread from Titus.



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This is one post out of 5. What did you think of the other 4 posts? Specifically the vote hops.
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:35 am

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In post 1060, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you seem to be basing what you are saying off of KTS being scum.
Can you expand upon what gave you that impression?
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:37 am

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In post 1064, The DEO wrote:this is not Rach Marie V/LA town.
V/LA should not be taken into account when reading alignment. RachMarie is scum by play, not because she went V/LA.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #32) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:03 am

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In post 1068, The DEO wrote:I'm saying that when she goes V/LA as town she tries to give some reads or some kind of impression. When she goes V/LA as scum it is "too busy" of some flavor or another.
Throw me the links that back this meta read?
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:04 am

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In post 1069, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1065, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1060, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you seem to be basing what you are saying off of KTS being scum.
Can you expand upon what gave you that impression?
Wording.
The wording of which post(s) exactly?
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:09 am

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In post 1047, Klingoncelt wrote:Wait, what?

Scum can't get a kill because there's no Night, so you want to kill Day?

Why are you wanting to help Scum get Night Kills?

VOTE: drealmerz7

(Sorry, KTS, but that was a Scumslip deluxe.)
That wasn't a scum slip. Bad logic does not mean scum. Anti-town does not always mean scum.

Does KTS still scum read Kuroi?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:05 pm

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In post 1083, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1001, JaeReed wrote:
In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:Night phase got skipped like a scrawny kid in dodgeball picks apparently.
me =(
I wasn't just scrawny I was also disliked.

I was however also agile and have great-hand eye coordination.

I'd not get picked, but then I'd still do very well playing. Usually down to one of the last on my team even with a bunch of jocks. I can dodge and catch exerptly.

In my HS, gym classes were mixed grades sometimes.

We had a 9th+12th grade gym class mixed. Fucking brutal sometimes how they'd pelt those balls.

oh wait, you want content in the game

oh I've done that, I can post some shit and not come off like a scumbag
lol this sounds like an application or something
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Post Post #1103 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:10 pm

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Why are you assuming there was a lack of night because of scum?
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:41 pm

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It could be either, depending on the scum team power and town's power. What I want to know is why Lycan assumed it was caused by scum.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:05 pm

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Are you gonna answer the question or...?
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:16 pm

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Why aren't you just answering the question? Why are you assuming I have to be touchy/upset in order to ask that question, or the follow up?

If you're town I need you to be a little more open with your thought process because I'm not following it. If you're scum feel free to continue to do whatever you're doing and I'll get you lynched tomorrow after we get your buddy RM.
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:29 pm

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In post 1110, Lycanfire wrote:1) i tried to explore klingon's motives. removing kts when she did hurt the town. i needed to know if she was in any way informed of the night mechanic before i could define it as anti-town.

2) if klingon is scum and was informed of the lack of night, i'd have to assume creature is scum as well.

3) you considered the same possibility (klingon as scum) but don't actually care

4) you getting touchy about me asking questions and making this about me pretty much guarantees i'm asking about something you don't want talked about
Except she didn't remove KTS. You guys lynched him. What she's claiming is a neighbourhood with a dead player. So no, it didn't hurt town. It changed nothing as far as we still saw his flip and he's still not here able to vote.

Yeah, I considered the same possibility, as I consider the possibility that anyone could be scum. But the angle you're approaching it from isn't a good one. You're approaching it from an angle of "only scum would know why day continued" which is faulty. You've started from that conclusion and approached your read on Klingon's neighbourhood with KTS that way, instead of reading in to the shit that we actually do know. It makes me wonder how you're so sure scum were the ones that caused a double day.

Klingon's town motivation for picking a neighbourhood with KTS: if he flips town then she has a confirmed town to bounce thoughts off in private that she can trust isn't trying to manipulate her. If he flips scum then the ability is wasted would be the con here.
Klingon's scum motivation for picking a neighbourhood with KTS: get a dead confirmed townie on side and relay his thoughts on for easy towncred. Once it's taken for a given that she has a line of communication with him she can make up whatever she likes.

Except I'm not getting touchy, I'm trying to understand your thought process and why you're starting with a conclusion of "scum knew night wasn't happening". If I didn't want it talked about I would have ignored you. I don't see how you think otherwise here.
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:04 pm

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In post 1086, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 1062, JaeReed wrote: I believe her. It's too far-fetched to be fake.
I don't follow the logic of too far-fetched having to be real.
Imagine you wanna make up a fakeclaim that sounds good. What's your first instinct? Because mine isn't "I can make a neighbourhood with the guy we just lynched" and I'm pretty sure it's not what jumps to most people's minds.
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I am on V/LA What has happened to this site that people are actually considering lynching someone while they are on V/LA

I am this close to replacing out

Titus you and your tunnel need to just chill I do not always give out reads like candy especially when I have not been super active due to RL

That being said, I think you are town, and I think gamma is town.

Who did Jae replace again?

I am not sure if Pere is scum or town but he definitely needs to post more and as far as I know, other than weekends, he is available to post.

dreal is probably town too, weird, but most likely town.

Zef finally joined us? I gather he had some kind of weird post restriction role that did not allow him to post for a while? I have not had time to reread through the game and find out.

creature is prob town, though he is not an IC the way peeps keep reading him, it was just his flavor that got revealed.
We're considering lynching someone we think is scummy, you haven't actually been lynched yet so it's not like you don't have a chance to turn this around and prove you're town if you are. More to the point, though:

Why do you think Gamma is town? Why do you think dreal is town? Why do you think Creature is town? Who do you believe is treating him as an IC due to his flavor reveal? What's your read on Postie?

Pere isn't in this game. I replaced Clemency. Zef did indeed claim a post restriction that prevented him talking D1.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #42) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:48 pm

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In post 1130, The DEO wrote:Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.

Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the same
but I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.

-- Not Titus
In that game or this one?
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:34 pm

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In post 1169, The DEO wrote:
In post 1165, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1130, The DEO wrote:Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.

Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the same
but I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.

-- Not Titus
In that game or this one?
Klingon looks like they are trying too hard in this game and sounds robotic. Like there is a certain "mmmph" to their posts that is missing this game. You ping me as having a similar sentence structure and feelings and based on how you answered my question you are likely town.

-- Not Titus
I wouldn't say Klingon had any "mmmph" in her posts in that game, but do agree she is trying more here seemingly. I don't think that's AI. More indicative of investment in a game than anything. I didn't read the whole game, but Bloodborne she was mafia for. I can scrounge up an iso link for you there if you want? Keep in mind with Bloodborne that Klingon was on a lot of the runs, and so had neighbourhoods for the nights. In Shadowrun she wasn't on any which could contribute to her lack of investment. I was in I think a run each night?
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:53 pm

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7941644

MathBlade prefers gender neutral pronouns, so they/them/their.

Here's Klingon's ISO for Bloodborne. She was scum with Nahdia, Ranger, and Bogre (though I think he barely posted at all).
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:53 pm

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In post 1188, The DEO wrote:JaeReed, why is this Mathblade discussion relevant?
It's not. We moved on from even talking about Math to the focus being Klingon's play.

The only relevance is to my line of questioning you about your read on Klingon because Math threw out the same kind of early read on her in Shadowrun. I assumed your hydra partner wanted the reference to evaluate whether my line of questioning was genuine or not.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:03 pm

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UNVOTE:

Doing this for now til I can read that.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:04 pm

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Still haven't read up but Math I was suspecting you were the other head from the start, the only thing that gave me pause was seemingly not knowing about Shadowrun maf then patting yourself on the back for it kinda gave it away again.
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:06 pm

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In post 1256, JaeReed wrote:then patting yourself on the back for it kinda gave it away again.
I say kinda because I wasn't sure you'd be that vain :P
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:45 pm

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In post 1203, RachMarie wrote:Read on Postie was originally scum but after I read through some of those other games, I see it is a play style for her to WK peeps even as town. Not a good play style, but its her thing I guess. So I moved her from scum to town.

Dreal is probably reading me as scum from a genuine feeling I am scummy because he is seeing me as lurking instead of realizing how we do things around here with V/LA, I think I may have been a bit too snarky on him in this thread and not remembered he is new to the site though not new to mafia.
Why didn't you have Postie in your reads list then?

How did you know Dreal wasn't new to mafia?
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:48 pm

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In post 1208, The DEO wrote:Wow, yeah scum in the hood proven.

I disclose Math.

Suddenly, Math's meta is in play.
Both players asking about Math's meta unvote at this "revelation".

~Titus
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:55 pm

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In post 1212, The DEO wrote:
In post 729, Lycanfire wrote:agent, i do believe that you are slipping. do remember that pants are an important item in the workplace.
Lycanfire needs rope badly. I have never played with them so this pants comment makes no sense.

-- Math
++ but more because of his reactions about the RM wagon.
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:06 pm

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In post 1220, The DEO wrote:
In post 1200, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1188, The DEO wrote:JaeReed, why is this Mathblade discussion relevant?
It's not. We moved on from even talking about Math to the focus being Klingon's play.

The only relevance is to my line of questioning you about your read on Klingon because Math threw out the same kind of early read on her in Shadowrun. I assumed your hydra partner wanted the reference to evaluate whether my line of questioning was genuine or not.
U scum boo?

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No, I'm not. But I doubt my word means much more than your own read of a situation. What do you think is most likely given my content so far, Titus?
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:17 pm

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In post 1223, RachMarie wrote:I am Arwen Evenstar and I am loved.

Which basically means I need one more vote than usual to be lynched.
In post 1227, RachMarie wrote:I am clearly going to be lynched so why should I not claim? Postie even posted I should claim and I was at L1
Not sure how I feel about this.

scum!RM should know that there's no way she gets lynched so long as she's not bussed.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:30 pm

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In post 1246, Lycanfire wrote:that's an ugly interaction between DEO and RM. false revelations are scum.
Elaborate on what you mean by this?
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:32 pm

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In post 1250, Lycanfire wrote:i think someone referenced you in the first few pages and since you weren't playing i immediately associated you as titus' partner
Actually nevermind this is pure bullshit lol.

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Post Post #1294 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:51 pm

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In post 1266, The DEO wrote:TBH I want Lycanfire to confirm the hood leak. Lycan fire is clearly tripping over himself. Granted I still think Rach Marie is scum based on a meta read and she is pissing me off for dropping pants. But Lycanfire is the logical read and RM is fueled by anger. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong but I would rather go with caughtscum.

-- Math
You know as well as I do if he's scum he's not going to confirm it, and if he's town then there's very likely nothing to confirm. I can't see him being town by now, not with the Klingon push, the defending of RM, the S_S vote, and now the thing about your slot being scum. Let alone knowing the pants thing and somehow knowing it was you.

The logical read is always the better one, but regardless, we can't get RM lynched today if the loved claim is true. Before, we needed every townie to vote RM to lynch her (that's on an assumption that both GE and Postie, the voteless ones, are town, though). Now she's loved on top of that. If GE is town like you're speccing here with RM!scum then town actually cannot lynch RM without a scum bus. And scum would be stupid to bus when town can't lynch their partner otherwise. It's a strong association for RM/Lycan but it has to be after Lycan's flip.
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:10 pm

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In post 1276, The DEO wrote:
In post 1273, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1268, RachMarie wrote:Who is trixie and you have a PT with her?
The Great and Powerful Trixie was a post restriction Math had in another game.
I was forbidden from using any self referencing pronouns at all. It was horribly hard to be scum, maintain activity, be on every freaking run because Town read, get forced into a claim by JaeReed, get a scum vigged on D1, not let Town know unless we threw everything on a mission it would pass. Some days on weekends especially I was posting for like 18 hours straight. While trying to maintain no pronouns. Like it was insane.

-- Math

Pedit Lycanfire there is no shade from you. There is no battle you are conf scum
Wouldn't have been so hard to maintain the post restriction if you were town ;p
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:41 am

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@drealmerz come over to Lycan. Rach literally can't get lynched today if she's scum.

@Klingon where's your vote?
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:19 am

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^ As per the setup.

Creature, what are you doing with your vote?
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:26 am

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Then we are at an impasse. Assuming you're town, and both the voteless are town, that means we can't get a lynch through on scum today at all. Because I'm not voting anyone except for Lycanfire at this point. I'd rather no lynch than vote elsewhere.

Rach was a good candidate but she is literally unlynchable today without scum interference (again, this assumes both the voteless are town).
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:35 pm

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There wasn't a fight because I'm not responding to someone I think is scum that is clearly trying to aggravate me. Someone once told me not to do that. I'm not going to breed apathy in the lynch by getting into a drawn out argument with him.

If you have any concerns about my motivation for anything I'd be happy to address them.
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:38 pm

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In post 1329, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1293, Lycanfire wrote:nice try scumfucker titus said mathblade was her hydra partner day 1.
Link to the post, please.


VOTE: Lycanfire
She didn't. I ISO'ed her.

She did say was that her sibling Math is a tunneler that relies on gut. Don't give him room to wiggle out of this.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:08 pm

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In post 1334, The DEO wrote:It isn't the fight/not fight that concerns me it is the tone.

Lycan looks more pissed at you than at me. That looks like terribad distancing which can happen with a forced bus.

-- Math
He's in discredit mode. Has been since I first said anything about him before all the revelations from RM.
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #64) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:03 pm

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drealmerz, stop buddying. Seriously. My TR on you is tenuous and this isn't helping.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #65) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:40 pm

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No, but the way drealmerz is doing it is bugging me.
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #66) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:53 pm

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There's more to the fucking case than that and you know it.
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #67) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:57 pm

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Sorry I'm not emotionally stable rn.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #68) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:05 pm

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ISO me.
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:32 am

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@drealm The theory was that we couldn't get a hammer on RM if she's scum because scum could refuse to bus (this is kinda only valid if GE is town and I'm not entirely sold on that either tbh). Postie has a good point about it basically being a scumclaim though.

VOTE: RM

Lycan is still 100% scum and should be vigged if we have one. Otherwise speedlynched tomorrow.
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Post Post #1454 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:21 pm

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I'm not sheeping your meta read of RM. I don't think anyone is.
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:35 pm

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Because it's clear a Lycan lynch isn't happening today. I'm not going to vote park on what quickly became a vanity wagon when I think 2 people are scum.
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:51 pm

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Everyone switched off him to go back to the first probable scum wagon. I'm not fighting a probable scum lynch for a probable scum lynch. I'm just not. Both are likely scum. I don't care which gets lynched today, but regardless of flip the other should be lynched tomorrow.

If Lycan hits L-1 I'll declare right now I have intent to hammer the moment I see it. Until such time, I'm parked here, because the way I see it you're not getting that wagon through to a lynch.
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:10 pm

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Spoiler: this rant is now irrelevant thanks Titus and everyone
You realize that you're positing that I came in and immediately started bussing both my partners (if RM/myself/Lycan) or hard double bus between myself and Lycan if RM is town.

Stop, Math. You're being unreasonable in everything right now, and quite frankly my care factor in you thinking I'm scum is zero right now because of that. People aren't going to listen when you're unreasonable, and if you are town with Lycan being scum, you're now shitting all over a town that you actually need to vote Lycan. You're burning all the credibility and trust I had in your slot from Titus. You're doing the same damn thing you did in yuri mafia and it's pissing me off. People won't follow you if you're unreasonable.

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before you were even outed
was someone I thought was scum with the way he was approaching things earlier this day phase. He was pissed and caught scum trying to deflect attention off RM (either as a whiteknight or scum buddy) before RM even dropped those revelations, and was already in discredit mode with regards to me back then. Think about that. Talk to Titus about it. Then, and only then, try to talk to me about why I should be voting on a vanity wagon instead of RM. Drealmerz stated he's not moving off RM again. Postie is pushing for RM. Creature won't vote Lycan. Gamma can't vote.

You're blowing up at me for something more people did before me, for one. I didn't want the Lycan wagon to dissipate. That's why I stayed on there for so fucking long.


I'm fine with a lynch on either.
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:42 pm

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You have no idea how sad I am that I couldn't find a youtube clip of bugs bunny in king arthur's court where he threatens to blot out the sun as a response to that.
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:21 pm

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Talk to me about your townreads on Creature and GE?

Also I don't like the focus on roles at the latter half of this.

Why would your flip be useless?
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #76) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:42 am

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In post 1511, boring wrote:
In post 1510, JaeReed wrote:Talk to me about your townreads on Creature and GE?
Creature has acted like town, and I can't think of any reason why scum would want to prevent night phases. Especially N1, if this was 1-shot (I can't see this lasting forever). My reasoning here is that while both town and scum become increasingly accurate in their NAs over time, Scum benefit more N1 than town usually does. Any dead town is helpful. Random investigations and protections, lessso. So it would be better to skip night when you know someone is onto you, or you are at an advantage of some sort. Not right away.

Gamma plays a very open town game. At this point, I think I've played more games with Gamma than not, and I think I have a good feel for him. I get that he runs counter to site meta, which can upset people, but this is how he plays town. He listens to others, weighs it with his own assessment, and is open to suggestion (to a point). He's usually low-hanging fruit, so much so that he's practically a scum-trap.
In post 1510, JaeReed wrote:Also I don't like the focus on roles at the latter half of this.
Okay? I don't like to shy away from topics that will help sort players. Especially when there's little-to-no risk to town. Though, I realize anything to do with roles invokes knee-jerk reactions in many of the fine denizens of this forum. However, in Postie's case, the claim was made already. I'm just asking for verification.
It's more that I don't think focusing on roles here will help you solve the game. So it feels like a pointless thing to focus on especially when you're going to say x could be town/scum for this role. People should be town or scum based on their play, not their role. Probably closer to a pet hate for me idunno. It just feels like a lot of fluff using role spec to pad your post.

UNVOTE:

I need a sec to re-orient after that break.

Why are you so sure that it was definitely Creature that stopped the night phase?
Why can't Creature (if it was him that caused the night skip) be compulsive and basically a scum negative utility?
How has Creature "acted like town"?

Can you pick out a handful of posts that you feel are particularly indicative of town!Gamma in that he is fitting with your view of him as follows "listens to others, weighs it with his own assessment, and is open to suggestion (to a point)"?
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Post Post #1527 (isolation #77) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:04 pm

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In post 1526, Klingoncelt wrote:Unless you're an alt of someone that played with Math, or if you played with
her
them on another site.
The pronoun police have corrected your typo.

Please continue the good work and be careful to double check preferences in the future.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:06 pm

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What are we doing?
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:11 pm

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I'm not so sure anymore. Lycan is starting to actually sound so disillusioned that I think he could be town. boring had some good posts but then kinda disappeared, but I think it's townish to want to get content out there so your lynch is at least useful when you think you're going to get lynched regardless.
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:45 pm

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VOTE: boring
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Post Post #1600 (isolation #81) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:55 pm

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yeah ok knowing KTS has the same ideas as me I'm actually more inclined to do this.

VOTE: Kuroi

let's flashwagon baby!
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #82) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:57 pm

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ftr, for my thoughts, he was posturing a lot around RachMarie wagon in a way that he knew it'd flip town ^ I had the thought at the time that regardless of the flip I'd wanna lynch him next but boring did start towning it up.

Can I get support? Titus? KC?
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Post Post #1610 (isolation #83) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 pm

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lol because I'm not scum and you don't know how to read me. Both Lycan and Math.

let's just get kuroi. I can't pull up quotes tonight or tomorrow because new years prep and the day after I am probably still going to be drunk bcuz I gotta deal with fam, but if we still have time after that I can throw up some quotes to support

I trust KTS and I should probs trust my own reads more so yeah
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #84) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:34 pm

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Postie I don't want an apathy lynch on someone I think might be town though. If we can turn this around we might be more likely to get a scum lynch. It's also worth thinking about whether RachMarie would replace out as scum in this situation. boring wanted to put something in the thread more than what RM had to make it worthwhile and idunno if their dropping off after that was more like, holidays and not knowing how to go hard to save the slot rather than a scum dropoff of "well I tried" y'know?

I actually tend to agree with KTS a lot and I think I should go for it if it's something we're both feeling because it's confirmation I'm on the right track and he's pre good at reading ppl as well.

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Post Post #1616 (isolation #85) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:43 pm

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Those are only soft reads btw, I am working off memory and I think I need to reread to be sure, but the longer standing one are basically Gamma, Postie, DEO, KC, Deimos. zefiend isn't longstanding but more confidence than a lot of others, and Kuroi is more confident than Gamma. Gamma could easily be up a tier, depending on my reread.

@boring btw I don't think you should be townreading Gamma for the stuff you linked, obviously. I'll go into this either later tonight or tomorrow, depending on how much time I get. If I don't get much time, from memory right now, some of those are him being sheepy. I obviously need to double check context to tell you whether I agree with any of them but as standalone quotes they aren't particularly compelling.
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Post Post #1619 (isolation #86) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:29 am

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he's lynchbait at best and getting replaced.

I don't disagree on his scumminess but Kuroi's posturing is way worse.
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #87) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:30 am

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I mean the worst thing that springs to mind on creeps that stuck out to me was his readslist on D1
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #88) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:40 am

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In post 364, Creeps20 wrote:
Votecount 1.15:


Shadow_Step: High scumread. Like I have said before I hate policy lynching complete and utterly
RachMarie : Null
Gamma Emerald : Slight scum read. Can't remember why but I do have a slight scum read on them.
drealmersz7 : Null.
Postie (1): Slight town (Not much though)
Vedith (1): I think he posted once. Not much here
The DEO (0): Null
Creature (0): Slight scumread for the 'sunburn' shenanigans and overall inactiveness
Clemency (0): I don't think he has posted. Or I missed him
ɀefiend (0): See clemency
Klingoncelt (0): See clemency
Deimos27 (0): Null
LycanFire (0): Very slight scum. I feel like the ridicoulous role thing he did might be a silent nod to memory loss probably to compensate for later 'memory losses'
Creeps20 (0): Me!
KuroiXHF (0): slight town.



With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2016-12-18 13:00:00)
This.
SS scumread is meh as it's personality indicative and I don't think actually AI?
Lycan scumread with the whole memory loss thing was kinda ridic too I think.
Creature slight scumread for overall inactiveness when he has others at null for not having posted much, and the sun reveal is bleh too.

Also I forgot about voting Postie for the "scum slip" thing but honestly I think it's nothing that could just be him being new? I did see a town game of his recently in a newbie that I should really review at some stage to see if he is this level of newbie or whether he's overplaying it.
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #89) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:20 am

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It's between boring and lycan right now, lycan activated something, and kts thinks they're both town which was the feel I was starting to get so I want to Galveston kuroi instead who is also a kts scumread.
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #90) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:21 am

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Postie doesn't want a flashwagon and creature supports one but on you instead?
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #91) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:32 am

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Flashwagon fuck my phone q.q
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Post Post #1644 (isolation #92) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:41 pm

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In post 1628, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 1615, JaeReed wrote:Postie I don't want an apathy lynch on someone I think might be town though. If we can turn this around we might be more likely to get a scum lynch. It's also worth thinking about whether RachMarie would replace out as scum in this situation. boring wanted to put something in the thread more than what RM had to make it worthwhile and idunno if their dropping off after that was more like, holidays and not knowing how to go hard to save the slot rather than a scum dropoff of "well I tried" y'know?

I actually tend to agree with KTS a lot and I think I should go for it if it's something we're both feeling because it's confirmation I'm on the right track and he's pre good at reading ppl as well.

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Holy shit this post came out of nowhere. If I'm reading the tiers right, you have Lycanfire and boring as Town-leans?

Something is pinging me about your progression of these reads. Like, there's a lot of speculation involved:
- KC is being 100% truthful about KTS thing
- (presumably) buying Lycanfire's claim & story
- RM replacing out for strategic reasons
- boring's effort being AI

These are just the things that jump out at me so if you could clarify/explain, that'd be great. I'm going to ISO dive you in the meantime because honestly I've been skimming a lot of your posts (when the game was moving much faster).
I don't have set categories for the tiers. Higher up is the more townie I think someone is.

I think I'd talked about KC earlier, but boring summed that up nicely. KC's claim isn't something I would have imagined her to think up on her own, and she has convincingly given content that I believe has indeed come from KTS.

Lycanfire's claim...he hasn't really claimed as far as I'm concerned. Apart from the delayed death thing or w/e it was. My change on Lycanfire is that he's acting so damn disillusioned that it's actually making me think he's town by this stage. I have less confidence in that one because it's entirely tonal but I rarely see scum that can convincingly pull off the "let's antagonize the townies after my head further" line of attack that he's taking here. More often it comes from town that think they're being pushed by scum.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about the RM replacing out for strategic reasons. I'm saying that I believe it's more likely she's replaced out as town than scum, given she clearly thought she was being run up for being V/LA rather than for her content. As scum in that situation I'd expect some bullshitting to put out something, which RM would have an easier time doing than as town where she has to actually read what's being put in the game and think about what that means with regards to someone's alignment. That or more lurking while waiting out her lynch. It's obviously not a strong indicator because it could just boil down to her not wanting to play anymore as either alignment but it's a supporting factor.

If boring's effort alone was AI then I'd still think she's scum, because she put in that small amount of effort and dropped off. I'm reading her as a newbie that had one good scum game, replaced into a bad slot, and is trying to make the lynch at least worth something without thinking she can turn it around. It's the trying to make the lynch worth something that gave me pause to think about because as scum in a slot that you don't think you can save you don't want to draw more associates. You just want to go quietly into the night, so to speak, unless you think that putting out some good content will save you, in which case I'd expect boring to have fought this harder rather than put out some content then go "welp not much more to do here" attitude-wise.
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #93) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:59 pm

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Nope. Why?
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #94) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:34 pm

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68970

^ someone remind me (maybe after 24ish hours?) to review this? d7 scum, boring town. I think boring might have replaced into a scummy slot so I want to check how she handles it there as well. Didn't realize it ended -.- but I skimmed d7 there when the game was still ongoing after he flipped and thought the tone was diff to here. Just..can't look into it right now q.q new years stuff about to start.
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #95) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:16 am

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I'm waiting for smith to put put his opinions before hammering at this point. I tossed up refusing to hammer but I figure we'll end up having this same dance the next day phase if I did that :/
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #96) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:56 am

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No I don't think it's fake. I think boring is town.

So you're saying that RM was in more than one game, V/LA across them, and that makes her scum? Doesn't that just make her unable to play? Did she replace out of that game?
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #97) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:05 pm

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So tell me what I'm obviously not understanding? And I did read your post and have been looking into the hydra iso for that game. I'm already feeling like RM did more in that game than she did here. Can you tell me if she replaced there as well?
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #98) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:31 pm

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Your proposal?
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Post Post #1696 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:50 pm

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smith, why is your only question to me one that isn't likely to give you an AI answer? Considering I've been a pusher of both counterwagons to boring I'd imagine you'd have better questions for me than that.

As far as your question... No, I look at who was lynched and what they flipped, then I read, usually, while trying to keep up with current postings. I don't generally pay attention to replacements until I hit that point in my read. What were you hoping to learn from that?
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #100) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 1715, mhsmith0 wrote:@JR, Zef, Lycan: one of you needs to hammer boring before deadline (it's now pretty clearly too late to actually push the wagon on someone else). If you fail to do so (barring a VERY good defense on boring being town), you three are on the "policy vig" list tonight.
If you actually read the thread you would have seen I was waiting to hammer after I saw your catch up.

Threats make me disinclined to do so out of spite.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #101) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:06 pm

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I will hammer just not right now and I hate smith making threats like he owns the place. It was uncalled for considering I already stated intent after he catches up.
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #102) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:12 pm

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In post 1703, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1696, JaeReed wrote:smith, why is your only question to me one that isn't likely to give you an AI answer? Considering I've been a pusher of both counterwagons to boring I'd imagine you'd have better questions for me than that.

As far as your question... No, I look at who was lynched and what they flipped, then I read, usually, while trying to keep up with current postings. I don't generally pay attention to replacements until I hit that point in my read. What were you hoping to learn from that?
1) Can you provide a link to a game where you've done similar?
2) Why don't you guess how that question might have been helpful?
1) Not that I remember. I still don't think it's important regardless.
2) My only guess is you're trying to see if I'm dumbtelling or derp cleared myself. You can do better. Read me off my actual content like I know you can.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #103) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:13 pm

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In post 1720, mhsmith0 wrote:You did say you were waiting. Then I caught up, and voted boring (making her L-1 given loved status), and then you didn't actually hammer (and you realized I had caught up given that you were asking me about the catchup). Which made me suspect you were intentionally stalling, thus the push (and it should be noted that it was on all three non-voters, not you specifically)
Considering we're likely going into the night phase I want things to be as wrapped up as possible before hammering. That means people having a chance to engage with your catch-up.
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #104) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:50 pm

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I want a bit before hammer I need to check something. I'm Australian though so I'll be around.
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:52 pm

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In post 1723, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1722, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1720, mhsmith0 wrote:You did say you were waiting. Then I caught up, and voted boring (making her L-1 given loved status), and then you didn't actually hammer (and you realized I had caught up given that you were asking me about the catchup). Which made me suspect you were intentionally stalling, thus the push (and it should be noted that it was on all three non-voters, not you specifically)
Considering we're likely going into the night phase I want things to be as wrapped up as possible before hammering. That means people having a chance to engage with your catch-up.
That's fine as things go, but I tend to get nervous when it nears deadline and things are stalling. 17 hours to go means not a super crazy rush, but at the same time, I really don't want to wake up tomorrow to discover that we no lynched because no one bothered to hammer.
I will definitely hammer.
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In post 1721, JaeReed wrote:
In post 1703, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1696, JaeReed wrote:smith, why is your only question to me one that isn't likely to give you an AI answer? Considering I've been a pusher of both counterwagons to boring I'd imagine you'd have better questions for me than that.

As far as your question... No, I look at who was lynched and what they flipped, then I read, usually, while trying to keep up with current postings. I don't generally pay attention to replacements until I hit that point in my read. What were you hoping to learn from that?
1) Can you provide a link to a game where you've done similar?
2) Why don't you guess how that question might have been helpful?
1) Not that I remember. I still don't think it's important regardless.
2) My only guess is you're trying to see if I'm dumbtelling or derp cleared myself. You can do better. Read me off my actual content like I know you can.
Actually I was curious whether you were trying to fake derp clear yourself. Because while lack of thread awareness is usually something villagery, in that context (your analysis of the d1 lynch) it seemed unusual as either alignment for you to somehow not know who had occupied the slot. So it was something more suspicious than clearing at first glance, and I was trying to see if there was meta to evaluate if it was actually just null on your end.
It's null. If you give me a sec I can somewhat explain why too, though I'm a little uncomfortable with it.
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:42 pm

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I take it that means you're ready now, boring?
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:40 pm

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Math you can't read me. Give up on trying.

Also, a game finally finished where I was scum...kind of. I was in a hydra though and my partner did some things I didn't exactly approve of (one of those being dumbtelling which resulted in me arguing with her in our PT). So I finally have something to show people. Though if drealmerz is town here he could very easily tell you that I'm town here lol.
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 pm

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Early on it was both of us, probably with Impoetic doing more postings? The latter part was mostly me with some bits of Impoetic (after the Nos lynch), then the push on you I think was just all me.

What's weird lately?

Also I kind of feel like my play is vastly different, especially emotionally and how I tend to go off gut a lot as town. I noticed it at one stage when I was pushing you. The push on you specifically I was obvscumming it up because I needed your lynch over BTD's. Also I think about things kinda strategically in places too. Like that game I flat stated in the scum thread I think that I wanted to fuck with VCA (I don't know if I ever actually achieved that, mind).
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:01 pm

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There's also another thing, which is just my natural aversion to lying making me tonally obvious. I tried to forget that game that I was scum as much as possible but you could see me refusing to push on pisskop or Dunnstral seriously.

A huge slip up on the Dunnstral/Nosferatu 1v1 when I switched to Dunnstral is that I didn't push it hard or make a big spiel about it. I just kind of voteparked there then took a shot at pk for hammering before Fire could unvote then dropped it.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:08 pm

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I explained that, so I don't really think there's much more to be said on it. I'd be happy with boring flipped scum but sadly I don't think it's happening. Lycan keeps going back and forth between scummy/towny to me and I think that's the prolonged nature of the day. I'll probably need to reread during the night. Assuming we get one.

I'm pretty confident in some townreads but I don't want to say them going into the night, for obvious reasons.
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Post Post #1817 (isolation #111) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:21 pm

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In post 1792, Postie wrote:Strongman vig...?
Postie talk to me about this, given there was only one death?
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #112) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:33 pm

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Unless they were afraid of his redacted thing? I'm just wondering if Lycan redirected scum onto him because it doesn't make sense as a nightkill.
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #113) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:34 pm

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In post 1818, KuroiXHF wrote:Hey, Jae. Glad you're here.
Anything you want to tell us about last night?
I'm not answering this.
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #114) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:51 pm

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In post 1827, Postie wrote:
In post 1821, JaeReed wrote:Unless they were afraid of his redacted thing? I'm just wondering if Lycan redirected scum onto him because it doesn't make sense as a nightkill.
But why redirect someone onto yourself?
Good point, unless he had a hood to claim who he redirected onto himself in. I guess that'll come to light eventually if it's what happened.
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Post Post #1887 (isolation #115) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:10 pm

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In post 1866, The DEO wrote:Drealmerz hesitation and push on Lycan after I told him the choice is why I pressured him. Scum Drealmerz likely doesn't call out zefiend there.
Then why didn't you vote me over drealmerz there?
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #116) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:17 pm

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In post 1860, Vaxkiller wrote:Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.
VOTE: Vaxkiller
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #117) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:05 pm

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Treating him like an IC for his flavour reveal and the double day which we're not even sure was caused by him is a lazy af read. It deserves a vote while I continue my reread, at the very least.
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #119) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:08 pm

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VOTE: Gamme

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Post Post #1966 (isolation #120) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:34 pm

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In post 1965, Gamma Emerald wrote:Looks like scum painting it as unfounded, when the concern was most definitely real.
Who's concern? DEO's?

UNVOTE:

What part is more likely to come from scum than from town unfamiliar with either DEO head?
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #121) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:34 pm

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^ Just the part that he's trying to say it's unfounded?
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #122) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:09 pm

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In post 1968, ɀefiend wrote:I'm also wondering why JaeReed abandoned our dialogue. What happened to all the wallpost?
If I abandoned it then it means one of the following:
I forgot (please quote it if you want more discussion since I'm too lazy to go back right now)
I was done talking (not sure if that's the case since I don't even remember having a discussion with you)

I've been preoccupied trying to reread and look at vote counts and struggling to figure out where I went wrong with my reads since Lycan should not have been the nightkill, which indicates something about my thoughts on the gamestate isn't adding up...which means my reads are horribly wrong, most likely.

I think Kuroi is town now, too.
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #123) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:33 pm

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In post 1986, drealmerz7 wrote:I also have a bit of a scumlean on JR now - seems like he's been trying to figure out what happened to the NK
In post 1987, drealmerz7 wrote:like "were we redirected or was it a vig. shot and we were blocked wtf happened?!?!?!"
If I were scum trying to figure out what happened I wouldn't be doing this in the main thread you potato :P Think about how I responded to Dunnstral being roleblocked in trials. I can't quite remember what my response was to the lack of nightkill but I remember feeling really awkward about it and not knowing the proper townie response to seeing that so I wanted to ignore it.
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #124) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:43 pm

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I like potatoes, drealm <3

Knowing what happened there with the Lycan kill actually helps a lot.

Also I just realized since DEO brought it up, boring's wagon had scum on it. I kind of forgot about that.
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #125) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:45 pm

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In post 2001, Gamma Emerald wrote:How do you know scum has daychat?
Because scum usually do? I really hate these weak types of questions that are just setup for "You shouldn't know this so you're scum" bullshit pushes. If you're going to push me for assuming day chat when all my experience with theme games has been daychat then do it from the start, and don't start with a weak ass posturing question like this.

This is why I keep thinking you're scum.
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #126) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:02 pm

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

I think this is actually scum.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #127) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:11 pm

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In post 2004, drealmerz7 wrote:what you did in another game and what you do here only matters as far as comparitive information, it doesn't MEAN anything necessarily

what means more to me is that it struck me that you were being a little fishy (in both senses of the word here) around the lycan kill, almost a little frantic it seemed? and considering I kind of said I was going to kill him, it adds to the fishyness of it that you didn't 'let it be' a bit more

I'm not saying YOU'RE SCUM because of it, but, it's definitely notable and I'd like other ppl's views on it (me having made the kill and knowing what happened with lycan gives me an entirely different view than the rest of you so I might be seeing more than is actually there?)
I mean yes and no. It matters to understand my mindset when I'm scum. There's no guarantee I'll post in exactly the same way but there hasn't been much time passed since then. Which means you either have to believe I can improve in a major way with my mindset in a short amount of time, or I'm just town this time.

And yes, the Lycan kill didn't make sense from scum and would have indicated everything I thought about the gamestate being wrong. I would have left it if I thought it was a vig but the case of a vig with no scum kill isn't one that I see often enough to believe it actually happens lol.
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Post Post #2008 (isolation #128) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:12 pm

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In post 2006, Postie wrote:Why?
Do you have a reason why not?

I can try to case it tomorrow, but I can't understand why you're only questioning me on Vax.
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #129) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:45 pm

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In post 2074, Postie wrote:Idk. I have enough of a townread on you as of that I'm not going to bother to probe further for now. zefiend has sunk low enough in my reads that I want to vote him instead.
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Or maybe Vax.
God where's the direction in this game I need to reread
I'm more on Vax, but I don't have motivation to push it. I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #130) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:53 pm

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In post 2083, The DEO wrote:Don't trust JaeReed but at this point I am fucking useless apparently except maybe my RM meta tell if that is true.
You didn't trust me because you thought I was Lycan's partner because of the way Lycan reacted to me.

Clearly, that was wrong. Therefore you don't trust me because you're being stubborn about your reads.

Sadly, that means you're most likely town. Which is good because I would have gotten paranoid of Titus by this point.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #131) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:59 pm

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The DEO wrote:I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

~~Math
I believe it's very likely that it was just a coincidence that he used the word pants. I really really trippy one but a coincidence nonetheless.

I think it's worth looking at who was trying to push it as such? Rereading this game is hard anyway. I keep trying to do it then ending up playing games on steam instead so idunno... :/
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #132) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:26 pm

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In post 2082, Postie wrote:
In post 2080, JaeReed wrote:I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?
Go for it.
So far it's just what I've noticed early on in the game.

Alright, Gamma scumread around the push on Clemency.
Reasoning: followed by 54 and 56. Hanlon's razor. Titus towncred for 57/59 given that.
By page 5 in my reread I was at Gamma scum, DEO town. Creature and Creeps I was on the fence about as I disliked both of their votes on S_S.
I agreed with and

Enter Vedith in with a post that is awful in a way I can't really describe because words. But it's a bad post and there's a reason that I can't articulate right now.

still by far the worst hop on I think given Deimos post prior in . That said I always misread Klingon and she bubbled KTS and I can't see why she'd do that from a scum perspective. Especially as she's still passing on information from him, which means he trusts her to do so, which means she's not omitting things on him. (Trust is evident in the fact that he's obviously still talking in the PT)

again from Vedith is really bad in light of how things have gone down. I don't like the push away from Gamma here. I don't believe it's town motivated, regardless of Gamma's alignment. There's no reasoning why that doesn't make Gamma scum.

I again dislike from Vedith. S_S had a clearly expressed scumread on Gamma and possibly on DEO (started with DEO then dropped that in favour of thinking Gamma was the most likely scum on his wagon). I don't like the off-handed dismissal of Gamma being scum without any reason why at all. The reads on Rach and Kuroi are again both dismissive and indicate he doesn't want to read them. Then the characterization of drealmerz in order to justify a scumread there as though people can't have quieter games pings me. The last two lines "The rest, who knows as of yet? Now your turn." comes across as grandstanding. Like he's trying to make a point of "I've been pro-town here".
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #133) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:35 pm

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In post 2092, The DEO wrote:JaeReed, why aren't you paranoid of us?

What do you think of Zefiend?

~Titus
Your early content was good and when I was trying to reread overnight I still liked you for town up to like page 10 at least (that's as far as I went before I just couldn't hold concentration enough). Then you have Math with their derp push on me when I was both townreading your slot and trying to work with you. I can't see a scum!Math opting for pissing me off in that situation, and especially can't see a scum!Math trying to push me as a partner with the guy I swung the potential lynch to based off his reaction to me. Math as scum is
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if I'm following their opinions, not like beating my head against a brick wall.

I don't really know what to think of Zefiend yet. I thought he looked relatively town when he entered the game but his push on you is misguided. I don't know if that's just coming from him having no real experience with either head of the hydra though. It's hard to say.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #134) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:52 pm

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@Postie since I forgot to put in this in the last post.

I was townreading Deimos for the suggestion of scum being on the S_S wagon due to how fast it got run up (it seems like a very newbtown thought, for one, to think that wagon speed is alignment indicative, and the choice in Gamma being scum there was pretty solid) and also for his newbie attempt at VCA.
mhsmith0 has been largely unimpressive in a really bad way. I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #135) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:59 pm

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In post 2103, Postie wrote:Thanks for that. Yeah actually pings me really hard. I'd be fine with Vax I think.

My problem is that I've been interrogating Gamma in our PT and he always find really vague and unhelpful ways to answer all of my questions. I've been asking as many, specific, questions as possible, but I can't get a single thing out of him that isn't ridiculously generic. And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood, keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.
Then don't tell him anything useful. I don't think Titus is likely to derp that hard.
We also don't know boring's alignment, and I can't see a pro-town reason for her flip to be hidden and no one to have outed themselves as the culprit yet. This means it was either scum or her own role. The way she was talking to me indicates that she actually thought she was going to flip. I think it's more than likely that boring was actually town, and scum janitored the flip in order to hide that fact so we'd mislynch Lycan. drealmerz fucked it on them by shooting him.

The way I'm seeing it:
Gamma may or may not be scum, but if he is, then it's most probable that his partner is Vaxkiller anyway. If he isn't then that was scum whiteknighting town.
I'd rather go for the one I have more confidence in flipping scum with either scenario.
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #136) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:01 pm

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In post 2110, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2108, JaeReed wrote:I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.
my feeling was more that he has been sitting back watching things unfold because of the way the game-state is all weird and shit, but, not speaking for him, that's more my read, and to me that is towny

it doesn't feel lurky-scummy it feels observant-towny, with the bits he's inputed, and yeh, a bit of deimos there are townpings (scumpings too, but, that was an odd involvment from that slot...this is a weird game...)
I think he's just being lazy, personally =P I've seen him put in more effort in most of the games I've seen him play.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #137) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:02 pm

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In post 2112, The DEO wrote:
In post 2109, Postie wrote:Okay, I'm gonna reread Deimos.

I realise being voteless means I have nothing to bargain with, but if I support a Vax lynch I want Titus/Math to promise not to pass important info to me through Gamma because fuck that.
Titus doesn't support a Vax lynch.

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Why?
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #138) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:27 pm

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In post 25, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.02:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Clemency (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.
In post 52, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.03:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Shadow_Step
(1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20
In post 75, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.04:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
Clemency (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Shadow_Step
(1): The DEO
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7,, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20
In post 131, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.06:


Shadow_Step
(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
In post 150, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.07:


Shadow_Step
(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.08:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step
, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.09:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (3): Clemency,
Shadow_Step
, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.10:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.11:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Postie (3): Gamma Emerald, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
, KuroiXHF
In post 353, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.15:


Shadow_Step
(4): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7
RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Postie (1): RachMarie
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 434, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.18:


RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Shadow_Step
(2): The DEO, drealmerz7
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 451, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.19:


RachMarie (4): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald, The DEO
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 475, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.20:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 501, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.21:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 553, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.23:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Shadow_Step
(2): drealmerz7, Creeps20
Vedith (1):
LycanFire

RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 600, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.25:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Shadow_Step
(3): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 650, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.27:


Shadow_Step
(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
In post 675, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.28:


KillTheStory
(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
KillTheStory
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
In post 725, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.30:


KillTheStory
(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
KillTheStory
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt
In post 775, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.32:


KillTheStory
(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
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KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt, Creature
In post 800, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.33:


KillTheStory
(5): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire

KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.35:


KillTheStory
(6): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt
Vedith (3):
LycanFire
, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
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Votecount 1.36:


KillTheStory
(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,
LycanFire
, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
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Votecount 1.37:


KillTheStory
(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,
LycanFire
, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend


So on D1 both Kuroi and Vedith stay off KTS and I don't think they joined a proper counterwagon.
Clemency's vote doesn't move from RVS, and Deimos voted on Gamma at a time that made him a counterwagon to Shadow_Step early I think? Then also ends up voteparked (went on vacation though).
Then we have Lycanfire for the most part voteparking on Vedith, which I thought was interesting given the kill, but now less so given it's claimed to be a vig shot.

Gamma's vote makes reading the VC movements kinda hard because it skews the balance. :/ Especially so given I don't think I'm particularly good at this in any case. Anyways...

So we have Postie and RachMarie as competing wagons for a bit when the Shadow_Step wagon died out. Postie got voted up after RachMarie hit the 2nd highest wagon mark in competition with Shadow_Step. Unfortunately without knowing what RM's alignment was there's not much to be drawn from that I think? If RM!scum it would point to Postie!town but I don't believe it necessarily works in the reverse (as in RM!town making Postie!scum) as from what I remember of it, the wagon on RM was pretty well justified whereas the wagon on Postie wasn't, and was in fact based off a rubbish "scumslip" push.
Becomes Creature and Postie for a bit but mainly because of Gamma voting Creature.
Creeps moves back to Shadow_Step, DEO follows, then the wagon is active again.
KTS wagon dies down a bit when he replaces in, he votes Kuroi and wagon starts trickling back. I'd kind of expect it to happen a lot faster if Kuroi were scum here and KTS correctly fingered him?
Vedith hits 3 votes from Gamma's influence and Lycanfire moves over to KTS.

So my thoughts on D1: Vedith was staying off the wagons too much. I don't like it, and I think he's a good candidate for scum based on that also.
Kuroi did the same but again, I'd kind of expect the KTS wagon to have exploded if he was correctly fingering Kuroi there, rather than a gradual incline. I need to double check the actual votes and reasonings for them individually to see if everything holds up to my thoughts of this (macro to micro blah blah blah).
Creature and Creeps have awful records with regards to voting and reasonings for doing so as far as the S_S and Postie wagons but I'm not entirely sure that's AI for them, either.

Also, on D2 Vedith voteparks Lycanfire. That's a thing that happened.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #139) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:27 pm

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Now watch both heads of DEO and smith tell me I suck and to leave it up to the experts :D
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #140) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:32 pm

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Spoiler: the number of times I posted between these posts was 0 lol
In post 2120, The DEO wrote:
In post 2115, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2103, Postie wrote:Thanks for that. Yeah actually pings me really hard. I'd be fine with Vax I think.

My problem is that I've been interrogating Gamma in our PT and he always find really vague and unhelpful ways to answer all of my questions. I've been asking as many, specific, questions as possible, but I can't get a single thing out of him that isn't ridiculously generic. And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood, keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.
Then don't tell him anything useful. I don't think Titus is likely to derp that hard.
We also don't know boring's alignment, and I can't see a pro-town reason for her flip to be hidden and no one to have outed themselves as the culprit yet. This means it was either scum or her own role. The way she was talking to me indicates that she actually thought she was going to flip. I think it's more than likely that boring was actually town, and scum janitored the flip in order to hide that fact so we'd mislynch Lycan. drealmerz fucked it on them by shooting him.

The way I'm seeing it:
Gamma may or may not be scum, but if he is, then it's most probable that his partner is Vaxkiller anyway. If he isn't then that was scum whiteknighting town.
I'd rather go for the one I have more confidence in flipping scum with either scenario.
Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?
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(insert placeholder JaeReed vote til I talk with Titus head more.

Didn't ask specifics JaeReed was pretty uninvested I just asked for reads as a launching platform)
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In post 2122, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2079, Postie wrote:Yeah but zefiend's rant the kind of thing I can see scum walking in and saying because the content of those posts actually does nothing to move the game forward and is just pointless drivel, but there's ranty emotions behind it, and it therefore comes across to me as just being designed to show off the emotional aspect of the post to give the illusion that zefiend is invested in the game.
I don't appreciate this post, at all.

I invested a LOT of time into casing DEO and it stirred up a great deal of discussion. Unfortunately, most of that discussion devolved into metagaming, which in case you didn't already know, I am not a fan of.

I still find the D1 push to be scum-motivated. The lack of much Titus in this thread recently doesn't help, either. Since that topic went by the wayside, I don't find there to be much redeeming conversation at the moment. I DO appreciate you trying though, to engage Kuroi.

The way drealmerz(I think) described the game as "floating in space" or whatever is how I feel too. I really,
really
hate leaving a Ranger-esque reads list, but if anyone wants to talk about them or do the same, it might help.

Postie, drealmersz7, Creature -- town
JaeReed -- townlean
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #141) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:08 pm

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In post 1977, Postie wrote:
In post 1973, JaeReed wrote:I think Kuroi is town now, too.
Why?
In post 2176, Postie wrote:
In post 2174, mhsmith0 wrote:He was clearly softing *something* in a sufficiently obvious manner that there's no way scum missed it.
Great. Now stop talking about it.
*cough* :P
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #142) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:54 am

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Because Math believes drealmerz would claim vig as scum and claim the scum kill as a vig shot. It's ludicrous and too easily disproven if he's lying.
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #143) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:24 pm

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It's informing, Postie. So the person should have been informed they were redirected if they were.
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Post Post #2233 (isolation #144) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:03 pm

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FA!!! <3 Yusss
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #145) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:15 pm

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Why not?

I thought Negative Utility was good to claim?
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #146) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:15 pm

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^ If it's bad to answer now tell me after the game?
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #147) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:41 pm

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Alright.

TL;DR of my understanding of events:

In RVS Shadow_Step makes a joke about policy lynching Titus, who is The DEO (hydra)
Titus tunnels Shadow_Step from that, and he reacts aggressively, which I think is where the main support for his wagon came about due to "bad reaction" or something? I did a (probably bad) VCA fairly recently of D1.
Anyway, RachMarie calls out Postie for whiteknighting S_S and she got a wagon for a bit, and was one of the main reasons on D2 for RM lynch I think.
Gamma Emerald was revealed to be a Double Voter.
Postie was revealed to be Voteless.
KTS replaced Shadow_Step and the wagon had died down a bit but then picked up again and I'm not entirely sure why.
KTS was lynched and Klingoncelt claimed to have done something called "bubble" him which means she has a PT with him now, and I am pretty sure she is telling the truth there due to the posts she claimed was from him and his opinions feel like KTS to me.

Night 1 was skipped due to unknown mechanics. People speculate it was Creature because he was revealed as "the sun" when the game started and the flavour for day continuing was that the sun came back up or something.
Day 2 it was revealed The DEO, RachMarie, and Gamma Emerald were in a neighbourhood together during the push on RachMarie.
Gamma Emerald was revealed to be odd day double voter, even day voteless. Postie still voteless.
RachMarie claimed Loved and believed her wagon was for being V/LA then replaced out. boring came in and said she was trying to make associations because she thought her slot would be lynched without any real information coming from it.
After that a few of us hard pushed on Lycanfire instead.
It got outed that the other head of The DEO hydra was MathBlade, and Lycanfire had said something about pants in the thread beforehand without knowing that, which made MathBlade tunnel the slot but Titus head of DEO wanted RachMarie lynch on the logic that scum would have to bus or be outed. (As RachMarie was Loved it would take one extra vote, which meant if both Gamma and Postie were town we couldn't lynch a hypothetical scum!RachMarie/boring without scum bussing.
boring got lynched and flip never came. We got a message about her being taken to Valinor instead.
One kill overnight on N2 was Lycanfire who flipped 1 shot redirector.

D3 I puzzled over choice of kill since he was the next logical lynch and drealmerz7 claimed vig and to have shot him. We don't know what happened to scum kill in that case.
Kuroi made a really cryptic thing to me asking if I wanted to claim anything about last night and I refused to comment on it. Then he made a "you know that I know" comment which smith pointed out in thread and made a big deal asking about and Postie told him to stop.
I have a kind of case on Vedith/Vaxkiller
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #148) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:42 pm

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Not sure how useful that is sorry :/ Was rushing a bit because dinner is ready
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #149) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:23 pm

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In post 2493, drealmerz7 wrote:it's The DEO doing it on purpose - going so far as to be like "well maybe it's a not-bastard bastard game"

???

love to hear your case on gamma sooner rather than later
DEO is town, obviously so in these last few pages.
You're town.

Math isn't doing it on purpose.
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #150) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 2484, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 2240, JaeReed wrote:Kuroi made a really cryptic thing to me asking if I wanted to claim anything about last night and I refused to comment on it. Then he made a "you know that I know" comment which smith pointed out in thread and made a big deal asking about and Postie told him to stop.
It shouldn't be cryptic. You refused to answer my question, which tells me you know what's happening but you refuse to actually cooperate. I actually town-read you for that, but now you're acting like you have no idea what's going on.

If you didn't get a notification, look at your own role.

Now would you have any idea why I asked you about last night?
Can you seriously stop? Ask me again tomorrow if it's that important.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #151) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 2494, KuroiXHF wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Out of the three top wagons, I like Vax most, but I'm not keenest on his wagon.
What do you mean not keenest on his wagon?
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Post Post #2499 (isolation #152) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:31 pm

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Day 4. Why aren't you keen on his wagon if he's the stronger scumread?
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Post Post #2631 (isolation #153) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:35 am

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Post Post #2678 (isolation #154) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:08 pm

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^ This.

It's more about the intention behind the post, which I feel was clearly to put pressure on Postie to get quick responses that are harder to fake.
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Post Post #2680 (isolation #155) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:44 pm

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In post 2679, Klingoncelt wrote:Country (Delayed Death) sounds like a neighborhood. It will dissolve as soon as this Day ends. That would easily explain the "pants" slip, someone is in a 'Hood with him - was in a 'Hood with him - and that neighbor must have let slip that Math likes pants on.
If this were the case wouldn't they have outed by now though? :/ I don't disagree with your reading of it but that's the one question I keep hitting a wall on.
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Post Post #2766 (isolation #156) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:09 pm

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In post 2762, drealmerz7 wrote:done with you, scum

good luck trying to re-engage me
Does this mean you weren't super confident on me being scum in trials?
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Post Post #2768 (isolation #157) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:41 pm

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I assume that was Titus.

Why are you townreading Vax? Am I missing something?
Is your scum read on zefiend based on his voting so far or something else?
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Post Post #2772 (isolation #158) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:42 pm

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In post 2770, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2766, JaeReed wrote: Does this mean you weren't super confident on me being scum in trials?
?
first of all, quit equating YOU to the HYDRA that was you+Impoetic - I already told you: as that game was going I didn't have any awareness to what/when was you posting, and so my brain did not make any connections

YOU are not in my brain with having played with before aside from the newb game I flaked on. The brain is making absolutely no comparisons to you and batoru - it's not entering my mind for a second, ever, until you bring it up

this is a scumping for me, that you keep wanting to have me compare your games when there is ability for comparison in my view
No, I'm not asking you to compare right now. I want an answer to my question.

You seemed confident on BATORU being scum that game. Were you not?

And no, that wasn't a hydra in the end. It was only me because Impoetic flaked on me like start of D3.
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Post Post #2781 (isolation #159) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:04 pm

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In post 2440, drealmerz7 wrote: nothing more to comment on

lynch pool is 3: BTD6, pk, BAT
and will remain the same group until they are all gone
and I think that's a win
can we get on it?
I felt like you were certain enough there.

The reason for me asking was to see if the difference between then and here meant anything. There despite your scumread on me you kept trying to engage me and basically plead your case rather than strong push that scum was pushing for your mislynch. I wanted to gauge the difference between here and there with your responses to Frozen Angel.

Point 3 is semantics btw. I just had a wording change while trying to communicate to you in a way I thought you'd be able to understand.
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Post Post #2822 (isolation #160) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:00 pm

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In post 2783, drealmerz7 wrote:now, now that I've established that, I'm willing to allow you to discover that for yourself, and will try and best answer whatever questions you have about this/game that game and how I was there and all that (again, not great to use YOU as a reference point since it's not associated in my head) but the game and myself are great things to use/talk about if you want to try and understand ME more and get a read that way
I was using your scumread on my slot & the way you interacted with me because that was the main thing that I had focused on and could remember clearly enough to say the way you're reacting to FA with your scumread here is really different. Hence why I asked how certain you were in that game that I was scum (or my slot, if you'd prefer) so that I could sort whether I am indeed seeing weird behaviour from the way you're interacting with your scumread or whether it's just a difference in the level of confidence in the read.

I mean it doesn't do me much good to talk with you about how you play the game rather than just do my own evaluating of your play. If I'm wrong then it's something that becomes a null tell for next time (or if I get the right read for the wrong reason this time then I'll learn it's a null tell later when you do the same with a different alignment). It's not like I'm going to judge you solely off one thing you do that pings me as different from another game, anyway.
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Post Post #2823 (isolation #161) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:01 pm

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In post 2784, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm seeing the same vax in this game that I saw in Ttyll, I think that is just his level of play and it makes me uncomfortable to vote him for it unless something more glaring appears
What about my bit on Vedith, his predecessor?
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Post Post #2845 (isolation #162) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:08 pm

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@Titus please respond to my last question. Also some reasoning on the FA vote.
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Post Post #2846 (isolation #163) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:09 pm

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In post 2843, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 2840, Postie wrote:
In post 2839, mhsmith0 wrote:rereading but if anyone has questions in the meantime then @ me
Are you scum? Because you sound like scum.
No, I'm a JOAT. Says so right under my username.

PS Out of curiosity, have you EVER gotten a useful answer from "are you scum"?
JOAT's can be scum too :P
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Post Post #2847 (isolation #164) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:10 pm

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In post 2768, JaeReed wrote:I assume that was Titus.

Why are you townreading Vax? Am I missing something?
Is your scum read on zefiend based on his voting so far or something else?
For Titus.
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #165) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:01 pm

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In post 2854, drealmerz7 wrote:and he's always town when he obvtowns?
Yes, when he obvtowns he's always town. He lacks emotional depth as scum, most notably, to the point where he himself even admits it.

@Postie http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7982435 this is a game he replaced in to a scum slot with Raskolnikov.
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Post Post #2864 (isolation #166) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:18 pm

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In post 2861, Postie wrote:What's your read on smith then, Jae?
In a word, complicated. The lack of emotional depth has me jumpy as fuck but I would not lynch him currently. There's a good possibility with what drealmerz has said that he is just disengaged completely and not trying to avoid anything.
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Post Post #2865 (isolation #167) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:19 pm

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In post 2860, drealmerz7 wrote:that definitely doesn't give me good feels :\
Keep in mind that doesn't necessarily mean he always obvtowns when he's town, just that when he DOES obvtown he's town. I'm sure he's had bad games as town before like we all have.
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Post Post #2868 (isolation #168) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:26 pm

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In post 2866, Postie wrote:Would you say he'd make a good vig target?
No.
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Post Post #2873 (isolation #169) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:49 pm

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Post Post #2874 (isolation #170) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:52 pm

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I think my issue with smith here is just I know in the game I saw him in as scum he declared that town didn't make him do anything so he was happy to coast, basically... and at the very least if he's scum here I don't want to make it easy on him >.< It might be baseless in the end.

I do believe he could do better as either alignment, and he'd probably at least try and churn out more content than he was doing considering he got called out a few times.
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Post Post #2882 (isolation #171) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:51 pm

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No list of players in hood in op post, FA.
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Post Post #2885 (isolation #172) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:03 am

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Oh you mean op post of the hood, not here >.<

I thought it was weird that you'd ask instead of check it yourself. Lol. Sorry I interpreted that wrong, don't have my head in the game atm.
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Post Post #2886 (isolation #173) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:08 am

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In post 2884, Frozen Angel wrote:something is really eh about all these hoods around
There's a lot of hoods in this game, yes.

Gamma x Postie someone made a hood for
Klingon x KTS Klingon made a hood for
Gamma x DEO x boring/RM pre-existing
drealmerz x mhsmith pre-existing(?)

Not to mention things I suspect to exist.
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Post Post #2908 (isolation #174) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:36 am

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I'd rather no lynch than lynch DEO.
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Post Post #2909 (isolation #175) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:37 am

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In post 2907, Postie wrote:Vax is an infinitely better lynch.
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Post Post #2913 (isolation #176) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 2910, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 2907, Postie wrote:Vax is an infinitely better lynch.
In post 2908, JaeReed wrote:I'd rather no lynch than lynch DEO.
Goodie. I can ask the same question for both posts. Perhaps I'm missing something - why?
DEO is obvtown. Their pushes have always been righteous. I already gave my case for Vax lynch. You all ignored it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Post Post #2914 (isolation #177) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:51 am

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In post 2912, KuroiXHF wrote:...That can easily be faked. It seems like you're trying to legitimize your gut feel.
It's not gut at all. There is no chance The DEO flips scum here. None.
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Post Post #2919 (isolation #178) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:06 am

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Thanks for the torture while I'm on my phone.

Here, Kuroi.
In post 2100, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2082, Postie wrote:
In post 2080, JaeReed wrote:I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?
Go for it.
So far it's just what I've noticed early on in the game.

Alright, Gamma scumread around the push on Clemency.
Reasoning: followed by 54 and 56. Hanlon's razor. Titus towncred for 57/59 given that.
By page 5 in my reread I was at Gamma scum, DEO town. Creature and Creeps I was on the fence about as I disliked both of their votes on S_S.
I agreed with and

Enter Vedith in with a post that is awful in a way I can't really describe because words. But it's a bad post and there's a reason that I can't articulate right now.

still by far the worst hop on I think given Deimos post prior in . That said I always misread Klingon and she bubbled KTS and I can't see why she'd do that from a scum perspective. Especially as she's still passing on information from him, which means he trusts her to do so, which means she's not omitting things on him. (Trust is evident in the fact that he's obviously still talking in the PT)

again from Vedith is really bad in light of how things have gone down. I don't like the push away from Gamma here. I don't believe it's town motivated, regardless of Gamma's alignment. There's no reasoning why that doesn't make Gamma scum.

I again dislike from Vedith. S_S had a clearly expressed scumread on Gamma and possibly on DEO (started with DEO then dropped that in favour of thinking Gamma was the most likely scum on his wagon). I don't like the off-handed dismissal of Gamma being scum without any reason why at all. The reads on Rach and Kuroi are again both dismissive and indicate he doesn't want to read them. Then the characterization of drealmerz in order to justify a scumread there as though people can't have quieter games pings me. The last two lines "The rest, who knows as of yet? Now your turn." comes across as grandstanding. Like he's trying to make a point of "I've been pro-town here".
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In post 2103, Postie wrote:Thanks for that. Yeah actually pings me really hard. I'd be fine with Vax I think.

My problem is that I've been interrogating Gamma in our PT and he always find really vague and unhelpful ways to answer all of my questions. I've been asking as many, specific, questions as possible, but I can't get a single thing out of him that isn't ridiculously generic. And with Titus apparently wanting to use him to pass messages to me because RC would ~never~ put two scum in a 3p neighbourhood, keeping him alive could be potentially disastrous if Titus starts giving him important role info or some bullshit.
Then don't tell him anything useful. I don't think Titus is likely to derp that hard.
We also don't know boring's alignment, and I can't see a pro-town reason for her flip to be hidden and no one to have outed themselves as the culprit yet. This means it was either scum or her own role. The way she was talking to me indicates that she actually thought she was going to flip. I think it's more than likely that boring was actually town, and scum janitored the flip in order to hide that fact so we'd mislynch Lycan. drealmerz fucked it on them by shooting him.

The way I'm seeing it:
Gamma may or may not be scum, but if he is, then it's most probable that his partner is Vaxkiller anyway. If he isn't then that was scum whiteknighting town.
I'd rather go for the one I have more confidence in flipping scum with either scenario.
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Votecount 1.02:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Clemency (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.
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Votecount 1.03:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
ɀefiend (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Shadow_Step
(1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7, RachMarie, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20
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Votecount 1.04:

The DEO (2):
Shadow_Step
, KuroiXHF
Clemency (2): Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (1): Clemency
Shadow_Step
(1): The DEO
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, drealmerz7,, Creature, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
, Creeps20
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Votecount 1.06:


Shadow_Step
(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.07:


Shadow_Step
(6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step

The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27,
LycanFire
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Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency,
Shadow_Step
, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.09:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (3): Clemency,
Shadow_Step
, Deimos27
Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.10:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Postie (2): Gamma Emerald
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
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Votecount 1.11:


Shadow_Step
(5): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Klingoncelt
Postie (3): Gamma Emerald, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend,
LycanFire
, KuroiXHF
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Votecount 1.15:


Shadow_Step
(4): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7
RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Postie (1): RachMarie
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.18:


RachMarie (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Shadow_Step
(2): The DEO, drealmerz7
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.19:


RachMarie (4): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald, The DEO
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.20:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 501, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.21:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (3): RachMarie, Creature, Creeps20
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2): Vedith,
Shadow_Step

Vedith (1):
LycanFire

Shadow_Step
(1): drealmerz7
RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 553, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.23:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Shadow_Step
(2): drealmerz7, Creeps20
Vedith (1):
LycanFire

RachMarie (1): The DEO

Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
In post 600, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.25:


Creature (3): KuroiXHF, Gamma Emerald
Shadow_Step
(3): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO
Postie (2): RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.27:


Shadow_Step
(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
Shadow_Step
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
In post 675, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Votecount 1.28:


KillTheStory
(7): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Gamma Emerald, Creature, Klingoncelt
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
KillTheStory
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
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Votecount 1.30:


KillTheStory
(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (2):
KillTheStory
, Vedith
Postie (1): RachMarie
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.32:


KillTheStory
(4): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire

KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt, Creature
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Votecount 1.33:


KillTheStory
(5): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
Vedith (1):
LycanFire

KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend, Gamma Emerald, Klingoncelt
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Votecount 1.35:


KillTheStory
(6): drealmerz7, Creeps20, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt
Vedith (3):
LycanFire
, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
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Votecount 1.36:


KillTheStory
(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,
LycanFire
, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend
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Votecount 1.37:


KillTheStory
(9): drealmerz7, The DEO, RachMarie, Creature, Klingoncelt,
LycanFire
, Creeps20, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Deimos27
drealmersz7 (1): Vedith
Creature (1): KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1):
KillTheStory


Not Voting: Postie, ɀefiend


So on D1 both Kuroi and Vedith stay off KTS and I don't think they joined a proper counterwagon.
Clemency's vote doesn't move from RVS, and Deimos voted on Gamma at a time that made him a counterwagon to Shadow_Step early I think? Then also ends up voteparked (went on vacation though).
Then we have Lycanfire for the most part voteparking on Vedith, which I thought was interesting given the kill, but now less so given it's claimed to be a vig shot.

Gamma's vote makes reading the VC movements kinda hard because it skews the balance. :/ Especially so given I don't think I'm particularly good at this in any case. Anyways...

So we have Postie and RachMarie as competing wagons for a bit when the Shadow_Step wagon died out. Postie got voted up after RachMarie hit the 2nd highest wagon mark in competition with Shadow_Step. Unfortunately without knowing what RM's alignment was there's not much to be drawn from that I think? If RM!scum it would point to Postie!town but I don't believe it necessarily works in the reverse (as in RM!town making Postie!scum) as from what I remember of it, the wagon on RM was pretty well justified whereas the wagon on Postie wasn't, and was in fact based off a rubbish "scumslip" push.
Becomes Creature and Postie for a bit but mainly because of Gamma voting Creature.
Creeps moves back to Shadow_Step, DEO follows, then the wagon is active again.
KTS wagon dies down a bit when he replaces in, he votes Kuroi and wagon starts trickling back. I'd kind of expect it to happen a lot faster if Kuroi were scum here and KTS correctly fingered him?
Vedith hits 3 votes from Gamma's influence and Lycanfire moves over to KTS.

So my thoughts on D1: Vedith was staying off the wagons too much. I don't like it, and I think he's a good candidate for scum based on that also.
Kuroi did the same but again, I'd kind of expect the KTS wagon to have exploded if he was correctly fingering Kuroi there, rather than a gradual incline. I need to double check the actual votes and reasonings for them individually to see if everything holds up to my thoughts of this (macro to micro blah blah blah).
Creature and Creeps have awful records with regards to voting and reasonings for doing so as far as the S_S and Postie wagons but I'm not entirely sure that's AI for them, either.

Also, on D2 Vedith voteparks Lycanfire. That's a thing that happened.
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Post Post #2922 (isolation #179) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:15 am

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Maybe if you tried looking at the motivation of their pushes rather than how hard they pushed it and what was pushed on you'd figure out that they're town >.>
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Post Post #2924 (isolation #180) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:18 am

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In post 2921, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2918, Postie wrote:
In post 2917, drealmerz7 wrote:I really think vax is town - the Ttyll game I was in with him he played the exact same way and it's not a meta-read it's just a "that's him making crap cases as town" - I suppose I should go find some links from that game of posts he made similar to posts here and how scummybadtown they are
What's stopping him from playing the same way as scum?
well it doesn't seem plausible to me - you have to have an awareness to do this and if as town he's only a mediocre player he's not even going to recognize how or have the ability to replicate that mediocrity of his town game as scum
What?

You're arguing "as town he looks like scum but would need awareness as scum to look like scum"?

What Postie is saying is if he's bad town what is stopping him from being bad scum here? He could just look like scum regardless of alignment. That's something you can certainly factor in but in the end you have to look at the motivation. When I asked you about what you thought of my bit on his predecessor you ignored me. There's more to it than "Vaxkiller looks scummy".
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Post Post #2926 (isolation #181) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:23 am

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Postie, he's not going to listen to outside this game examples.
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Post Post #2930 (isolation #182) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:49 am

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In post 1914, ɀefiend wrote:
A summary of the case vs DEO is as follows
: SS made a Day 1, Page 1 joke about policy-lynching "Titus" in response to a Titus-joke made by Kuroi. DEO interprets this as SS wanting to seriously policy-lynch the DEO slot. Despite repeated attempts by SS to explain that it was a joke, DEO runs with it for
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During all this did you ever once get the feeling that DEO did not 100% believe that said personal meta was a real tell? Because I didn't.
There was conviction there. The push was absolutely awful but the conviction was not, and DEO's push feels like it had a full belief in being right backing it. DEO was treating their tell as a cop guilty, almost, yes, but that's not scummy.
Why do you believe DEO should have felt the need to listen to anyone else's townread of a slot over their own tell they believed they had picked up through their experience playing games up to that point?
Despite Postie, Deimos, and Vedith all asserting that SS's comment was a joke/derpy and should be "let go," DEO does not.
You mean like you're doing right now with everyone who actually knows both heads of The DEO?
DEO also repeatedly defends drealmerz from SS's accusations: drealmerz was the second most vocal person about lynching SS.
Point? When you're pushing on someone you think is scum and other people are also hard pushing with you and seem to have solid points from your point of view, do you not tend towards townreading them and defending them from your scumreads?
My contention here is that DEO ran with the PL thing too long and tried to force it home. I don't see a competent player like Titus doing that as Town.


This is burden of proficiency, and tunnelling isn't inherently scummy as well, it's how the tunnel is happening and how genuine the push is.
Furthermore, talking over Postie and attempting to disrupt SS's legitimate scumhunting efforts is scummy.
Not really. I didn't get the feeling they were trying to disrupt SS's scumhunting efforts. Talking over people isn't scummy, it's just loud.
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Post Post #2933 (isolation #183) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 2929, drealmerz7 wrote:the point to me is that it was brought into the game as content and so is in the game as content and while what zefiend is doing might be shady as fuck, it's still totally within the realm of play and therefore are pro-town things to consider, just because you know MB wouldn't do that doesn't make it unreasonable for him to question that aspect of it all, at least to an extent

I didn't want to get into it at the time, but to me, it was a perfectly normal use of "pants" and it seemed VERY over-reactive to get like MB did about it, and it definitely crossed my mind more than once that they could have been using the opportunity to try and get a lynch - so it doesn't matter how many times someone tells me "mb would never do that", a smart player doesn't just say "oh ok" and forget about it

now, zefiend is probably going too far with the DEO push, but, I'm not fully opposed to that slots lynch at this point either, and not sure why people are SO SURE they're town

let's assume The DEO IS scum for a minute: the thing with lycan happens as it does - what do you think MB does IF THEY STILL GENUINELY THINK THEY COULD BE BEING STALKED? do they just ignore it, not make it an issue - and so them making it an issue makes them town? I don't quite follow it all
!!See, this is a good post!

Yes, MathBlade would still make an issue of it if they genuinely thought they were being stalked. But you end up with one of three scenarios here:
1) MathBlade as scum knows Lycanfire is town and so is probably not stalking, but has a neighbourhood with someone - in this case their push is fishing for neighbourhood information.
2) MathBlade as scum knows Lycanfire is town, believes Lycan has been stalking them, and reports him.
3) MathBlade as scum knows Lycanfire is town, realizes that Lycan's use of pants is probably just a coincidence, and tries to push it to a lynch.

Now in all three of these scenarios... MathBlade made the following post after Lycanfire flipped:
In post 2088, The DEO wrote:I don't see any other option and that is what freaks me out about this game. I am a bullheaded hated player. No one listens or follows what I do. It is why I can't get invested because every time I try I get creeped out when I reread.

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Which is what we're arguing is out of character for MathBlade's personality.
Making this post means that as scum they're trying to manipulate people emotionally to townread them in a more subtle way than I even believe they even would have thought of doing as scum.
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #184) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 2931, drealmerz7 wrote:and I'm not really trying to side with zefiend, I just think it doesn't make so much sense for scum to be doing what he's doing

seems like towny who genuinely thinks bad of MB and, well, as wrong as that is, it doesn't make him scum
I don't think I've ever said zefiend is scum for it though. Just wrong.
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Post Post #2940 (isolation #185) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:02 pm

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In post 2937, drealmerz7 wrote:unless that is JR scumslipping that he knows there isn't any 3p scum...
Lol. Think about what you just said, and what information scum are privvy to this game, and realize why this is actually really amusing.
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Post Post #2947 (isolation #186) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:17 pm

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In post 2935, drealmerz7 wrote:what if MB is 3p scum or is GS and thought lycan could be 3p scum?
You're still arguing they continue to AtE about it rather than just avoid rereading, possibly report the creepy action, and try to pick up something to push that's current.
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Post Post #2949 (isolation #187) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:22 pm

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Oh, I mean... I was trying to make my point more than list every single scenario one could possibly ever think of.
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Post Post #2952 (isolation #188) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:33 pm

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@drealmerz What? It doesn't make my point invalid at all.

My points:

1. MathBlade would need to knowingly AtE after the Lycanfire flip in order to make us feel sympathy towards them as scum. I don't even think MathBlade REALIZED that their post there could come across that way. It seems as though they just posted with a real feeling of dejection and creeped out behind it. Which means that MathBlade being unable to reread after that is genuine. MathBlade genuinely felt as though Lycanfire had stalked them without him even knowing they were in the game prior.
2. MathBlade wouldn't need to reread the thread to even
get
creeped out over it all over again as scum, because there are things to push on that they wouldn't need to remind themselves about the creepy stalker. They could have an easier time moving on and as such would not have made that post in that manner.

MathBlade can't be groupscum thinking that Lycanfire is third party because their whole thought was that Lycanfire had a PT with scumbuddies that had information shared about them in order to make the pants comment. Math as 3rd party still doesn't need to go back through the thread after Lycanfire's town flip to re-evaluate.
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Post Post #2953 (isolation #189) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:46 pm

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In post 2951, ɀefiend wrote:"DEO uses
personal
meta to substantiate her case, which by definition has no bearing on reading SS." <--- that is my fundamental issue. The conviction is not part of my case at all, because it is a subjective quality. I already touched on this earlier when I stated that being outside of the game on D1 placed me in a different perspective. That perspective is highly objective and literal because I wasn't *in* the game for its ebbs and flows.
And the conviction behind it is why DEO using personal meta there wasn't scummy. I don't care about how much better you think your perspective is for not having been in the game D1. It still doesn't make you right in this instance. DEO isn't scum. You using your perspective as a tool to try to say your argument over DEO is better than any counterargument from people in the game is the same to me as others saying that this is the town game of both heads to you.
jaereed wrote:
DEO also repeatedly defends drealmerz from SS's accusations: drealmerz was the second most vocal person about lynching SS.
Point? When you're pushing on someone you think is scum and other people are also hard pushing with you and seem to have solid points from your point of view, do you not tend towards townreading them and defending them from your scumreads?
SS's push on drealmerz was independent of DEO's push on SS. The point is tied in with my "DEO was stifling SS' other nodes of discussion" point.
My point stands. Titus believes drealmerz is town for finding SS as scummy as she does, and so defends her townread from a perceived scum push on him.
jaereed wrote:
My contention here is that DEO ran with the PL thing too long and tried to force it home. I don't see a competent player like Titus doing that as Town.


This is burden of proficiency, and tunnelling isn't inherently scummy as well, it's how the tunnel is happening and how genuine the push is.
"How it's happening" -- I think I made it clear that I viewed it as lasting too long and too forcefully. If you disagree that's your point of view but I found it scummy.
Tunnels inherently last a long time and tend to be forceful. What's scummy is repeatedly saying someone is scum and NOT being forceful, imo, because that's one of the things that shows a lack of a genuine read.
jaereed wrote:
Furthermore, talking over Postie and attempting to disrupt SS's legitimate scumhunting efforts is scummy.
Not really. I didn't get the feeling they were trying to disrupt SS's scumhunting efforts. Talking over people isn't scummy, it's just loud.
Just a couple examples that give me a different feeling:
In post 262, The DEO wrote:
In post 259, Shadow_step wrote:GE ignoring my posts. Classic
Stop playing so many games so you can actually play well somewhere JC
Your posts are spammy garbage.
In post 653, The DEO wrote:
In post 652, Shadow_step wrote:Go check Dreal's game and look at his scum game. I'm not tunneling him. I'm open to opinion. There is literally nobody scummier.
If you're "open to pinion" why are you not interested in engaging RM in thread or using their posts to sort them? They refuse to do the same with you.
First one there: GE is a townread of The DEO. This is back to the drealmerz defense. If you have a strong townread on lynchbait you tend to defend them when you think scum are pushing on them by shutting down that nonsense.
Second one is partner hunting on her scumread and I don't think she actually shut down conversation there rather than opened it up for S_S to look at RM and give opinions on her.
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #190) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 2954, The DEO wrote:Please call the slot a They unless explicitly referring to Titus.
Sorry, I was referring to just Titus while refuting the push on S_S as scummy, but I'll keep it to they in general when talking about anything the slot has done to keep things from getting confused.
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Post Post #2964 (isolation #191) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:13 pm

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In post 2962, The DEO wrote:Titus was proving a point to me earlier about FA and I need a chance to absorb it.
Out of curiosity, what was the point?
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Post Post #2968 (isolation #192) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:16 pm

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In post 2963, drealmerz7 wrote:save what you put in the thread for what you agree on
This means that less people are going to be pressured and scumhunted. It's less than ideal.
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Post Post #2970 (isolation #193) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:18 pm

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Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.
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Post Post #2976 (isolation #194) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:21 pm

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In post 2965, The DEO wrote:The question becomes of whether this is townie anger or whether your unilateral focus is based on scum teaching you conviction is good without showing fake hunting.
drealmerz got mislynched in another game where I was scum a hydra and people were townreading my slot for dissonance. I watched the frustration with hydra dissonance grow in that game. I believe this is genuine.
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Post Post #2977 (isolation #195) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:23 pm

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In post 2974, drealmerz7 wrote:I have a problem with hydras period. I don't think they're good for the game.
In this case it's probably best to only join up for games that don't allow hydras. You won't be able to force people in a hydra to play the way you want them to play, so it's best to avoid them altogether.
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Post Post #2980 (isolation #196) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 2975, The DEO wrote:
In post 2970, JaeReed wrote:Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.
My push on FA will be explained momentarily. Waiting on Drealmerz.
Is the scumread on zefiend still there? Can you walk me through that one? If you're not still scumreading him there's no need.
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Post Post #2984 (isolation #197) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:28 pm

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@drealmerz So you believe that Gamma Emerald would be their partner and they bussed RM/boring?
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Post Post #2992 (isolation #198) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:34 pm

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In post 2983, The DEO wrote:
In post 2980, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2975, The DEO wrote:
In post 2970, JaeReed wrote:Titus, are you ever going to answer my question? It's not a set up for dismissal. I want to understand your thoughts to see if the push is based off what I think it is or if there's something I'm missing.
My push on FA will be explained momentarily. Waiting on Drealmerz.
Is the scumread on zefiend still there? Can you walk me through that one? If you're not still scumreading him there's no need.
Yes but no one seems to be joining, so Math and I have decided to go through the PoE route.

We have Postie and Gamma as lock town, do not need consultation there.

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If you're willing to look elsewhere, could you please take another look at my Vedith/Vaxkiller points? I'd especially appreciate your insight on the fact that Vedith stayed off the main lynch wagons D1 while Lycanfire voted him almost all day, then parked on Lycanfire almost (maybe completely?) all of D2. It's reminding me of Raskolnikov in my mini normal and mhsmith0's analysis of Rask there.
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Post Post #2998 (isolation #199) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:39 pm

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In post 2994, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2993, The DEO wrote:
In post 2989, drealmerz7 wrote:titus: "I'm bullying him and he's not responding how I want!"
Number one: I am a them. The slot is a them. Please do not use He.

Number two: I am giving you a platform to make a "The DEO" is scum case. How am I bullying you for displaying what I think? I don't see you analyzing your thoughts or trying to solve the game. I am asking you to prove me wrong by making a case.

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number one: learn to read

when someone uses "titus:" it means they're BEING THAT PERSON

I was quoting titus talking to me
It can also be interpreted as you addressing someone then stating your point after it.

MathBlade and Titus both tend to read things literally. This is a communication issue, and one that I have reason to believe isn't on purpose, so if nothing else as a personal favour can you please try to have a little extra patience when these things happen? <3 I know you're a cool dude and I'd appreciate it.
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