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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah that's not happening shannon is town look at the votes and look at LUVs claim. Convince me of a plausible partner and I'll look at the case and think it over. Is that you saying Shannon was the target of your check?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me.

you just hurt my feelings

You wouldn't vote with me and d7 yesterday you betrayed us for gerry

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I thought it was a good joke

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh so I'm Ascetic and shannon is the 3rd scum. So the plan was to wait for someone to bite when you didn't give out the name, later conveniently say that you targeted that player, then claim shannon is the 3rd scum. And you also think that from a balance standpoint that it makes sense to have an Ascetic scum in the same game as a Follower? What is the point of the Follower in such a setup?

Now you're saying that an Ascetic did the kill which means it's probably not a strongman unless you also thing a strongman ascetic would be balanced, so you think it's a roleblocker I assume? This is rich.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

but spoiler alert it can't be a roleblocker unless it's a roleblocking ascetic, because LUV would have seen shannon roleblocking Transcend N1 if that was the case and she had an Ascetic partner.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

should've killed me last night Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK imma hand out my spare dunce caps to Shannon and Sesq and maybe Gerry can have one too later but for now dunce caps need to stand united

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

If your target can only have 1 partner why don't you just out your scumteam theory and tell us your target later at least? Give us something because you sound exactly like TTTT says, scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here's what I don't get, shannon how are you against titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result without knowing who the target is?

I can see people's problems with just the attitude, who HAVEN'T seen town-titus before but you remembering that from your game we literally went over yesterday and you admitted it was the same.

How can you imply that Titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result would be something that a townie with the information we have would support?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's 84 pages long and I'm in a lot of games already, is there something specific you're trying to show me?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I do see you 2 as scum which is why I'm suspicious of the fact that neither of you will say anything. I've already suggested that you 2 are scum this day phase I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you don't know her scum game but you think she would only be this stubborn as town? I'm really trying to follow here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You could argue it's NAI, but she's still withholding information from the town by not revealing. She's also not leading the discussion anywhere else, so what do you think her motivation is for keeping it to herself? It doesn't look like there's anything in particular she wants to discuss before she outs the claims

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And Sesq.
I'm not getting enough from Sesq.
Add TTTT to that.

Hey Drone, look at this VC. Sesq is town so don't even think about it.

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

rb

(1)

: ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

drealmerz7

, Drone, TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Drone - Because the votes in that count don't point to that. Why would I assume shannon is town from that?
@Titus - I already colored all of them and was waiting for you to do something with them since I know that's something you like to do. See 2153.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd say confirmed scum rb being the 3rd vote onto the biggest wagon in RVS indicates town!Sesq, regardless of my alignment, and even moreso confirms it if you color me green, and I am green.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Drone - Because the votes in that count don't point to that. Why would I assume shannon is town from that?
@Titus - I already colored all of them and was waiting for you to do something with them since I know that's something you like to do. See 2153.

You really can't confirm such a thing..
Don't hand out confirmations so easily, it will kill us.

That's the point, if you're scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you have a problem with me confirming Sesq

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you have a revolutionary case on her that you crafted in your PT last night that you're ready to dazzle me with?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.

UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.

Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.

Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.

What makes you think this isn't enough investigative power? Could be a low power game on both sides if all the mafia has is something like a roleblocker. Plus there's the neighborhood claim from Drone/Titus. You could argue that if one of them is town and the other is scum that it serves as investigative power for the town neighbor to discover if their neighbor is scum through a PT.

That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.

Titus coming to the conclusion of Ascetic rather than RB does not make sense to me. She is supposedly known for being good at setup spec so I don't think if she had a genuine motive to crack the setup that she would arrive at Ascetic after seeing the LUV flip.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I considered that yesterday which is why I pointed out there was only one kill again and that I was starting to wonder if we even have a vig, because I was thinking it was entirely possible we had a vig who wasn't sold on you or LUV N1, or even that you or LUV were the vig and that's why neither of you died. I still thought it was possible you were the vig and LUV was scum that got lucky in claiming you went nowhere when you chose not to use your shot(s), but I didn't say anything because I didn't want you to use it as fakeclaim to incriminate LUV if you were scum.
Titus intends to wait a week to announce apparently, that's what she meant by midday. Middle of the Day Phase.
Drone I think means we should look into the possibility of you being scum when he says "check". I don't think he means to wait until tonight to investigate you with a role we probably don't have.
pedit:ninjaed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here's what I've got about Titus's target:

It's not SSBM (see 2145 asking whether the target is SSBM's buddy)

It's not me (see 2185 where Titus says I'm scum with the target of the check. She also implies that SSBM and I are not scum together)

It's not Drone. In 2125 Titus says Drone would have shot her target. **note: For Drone to have shot the target, Drone would need to be scum and the target town.Unless Drone is a town vig - but why vig someone who is going to be investigated anyway? This doesn't add up to me**

All true, so you've found the right givens here to eliminate targets but you misinterpret something later on

In 2166 Titus is 'reasonably sure' her target is scum due to "jumping out of the wood work to attack me," and she is telling Drone who the target is.

Let's have a look at 2166 here:

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

This is actually pointing towards the general activity in the thread of "jumping out of the woodwork to attack her" as an indicator that her target is scum.

Now we are looking for people who have 'jumped out of the wood work' to attack Titus as of 2166.

Rask hadn't posted yet.
Sesq hadn't posted yet
Impoetic hadn't posted yet
Gerry - only asked a question (did she or did she not tell Drone who was targeted) so that's not an attack.
TTTT - voted Titus ('something's not right) in 2154, but I would not call that 'jumping out of the woodwork to attack'

The only people who might be even remotely construed as 'jumping out to attack' are SSBM, Drone, and me. But she's already said that none of us were her target.

While it's true that she's said none of us 3 were her target at this point, it's still possible she thinks that you and her target are the remaining scum. I would also argue that from a town!Titus PoV that gerry and TTTT are definitely jumping out of the woodwork to attack her, and so are we. All we know is that she didn't target any of us 3 and that she thinks you're one of the 2 remaining scum.

2169 "The rapid votes indicate my target is scum".
The votes to that point were:

Titus votes Shannon in 2142
SSBM votes Titus in 2144
TTTT votes Titus in 2154
Drone votes Titus in 2168

The phrase 'rapid votes' implies someone later on the wagon is suspicious, because there's nothing 'rapid' about being the first vote. The problem here is that Titus can't have it both ways. If it's SSBM who is voting Titus to defend a scum buddy, then the other votes aren't suspicious because they're genuine and the phrase 'rapid votes' is plain wrong and Titus' whole statement is basically rubbish. TTTT's rapid vote could be opportunistic if she suspects she's been the target of the investigation. Drone's could also be opportunistic, but given that Titus has earlier said she thought Drone would shoot her target, this doesn't make sense.

I'd say that my vote was pretty rapid because I voted before hardly anyone else had posted after daybreak. My vote is not the one in question, and neither is Drone's. It's TTTT's.
TL;DR:

TTTT is the only possible target unless Titus was lying

People should look for TTTT/shannon team indicators if they are of the opinion that Titus is town. First thing that jumps into my mind is TTTT's first scumpool and how Transcend says that it's a good scumpool if you add shannon to it. Would make sense for scum!TTTT to make a pool like that imo, that contained one of his buddies. He also is the one that lead the Gerry wagon D1.

What bothers me is that they're pushing shannon right now and not TTTT. I'm going to do some rereading now though.
UNVOTE:
@Titus - For the record I think you're wrong about shannon even if you're right about TTTT

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7 (2)

: Lil Uzi Vert, rb

Transcend (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

Gamestall for many vcas strong evidence ironstove not bussing.

Did you quote the right VC for this one? I don't follow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh you meant he wasn't bussing during the final wagon

@SSBM, You've completely forgotten someone in your post.

When you reveal your target and it's not TTTT I'll quote where you contradicted yourself

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you're saying you checked Impoetic then? Why is your vote on shannon if Impoetic is the constant between 2 possible scumteams in your eyes?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well that invalidates iamafluffyrabbit and impoetic's conversation being staged D1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone now that the cat's out of the bag reveal if Impoetic was really the target please

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also too soon to join anything yet, need to read some things. Also gonna grab the Impoetic wagon at it's max which was 5 votes, it formed and broke very fast between 2 VCs

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm casing Impoetic as we speak so prepare to be dazzled, shocked we didn't lynch this D1 tbh, it was probably because Transcend decided against it at the time. In retrospect we caught rb later in the day so maybe that was a good thing.

Spoiler: Here's the relevant VCs for reference

VC 1.10

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

Intermediate VC 1

Impoetic (5)

: Kohai,

Transcend

, ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko, shannon

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

Intermediate VC 2

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, ssbm_Kyouko, shannon

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Kohai (1)

:

Transcend

Drone (1)

: ironstove

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

Intermediate VC 3

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, Drone

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Kohai (2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: ironstove

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

VC 1.11

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Kohai (2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: ironstove

rb

(1)

: TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Forewarning that a lot of the things I'm going to go over in this post have been looked at before, so you'll notice some familiar points and posts if you've been here since D1 start. Raskol/Titus/Gerry may not have seen this stuff yet though. We have the context of flips now so I think it's worth revisiting for everyone though.

It's not like I malignantly quickhammered. I joke-voted. I'm telling you there isn't scum motivation in joke-voting, and it's only bad for town because the culprit is town in the first place; if I were mafia, I'd be giving town the rope with which to hang me for... what? A tiny chance to get one townie lynched early in d1... which would require two townies messing up and doing the same thing you're saying i'm scum for?

How do u know im townie though?

you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario

This whole conversation is based on an early rb wagon iirc. Point is, and Kohai is the one who brought it up last time I think, Impoetic's post here was contrived/WIFOMy. Then she comes back at rb saying there's no point in considering he's scum. Town do not think like this unless they are extremely confirmation biased already and I seriously doubt that was the case here.

you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario

Are you seriously town reading someone because statistically they are more likely to be town? Wtf?

Are you seriously saying you're misunderstanding every one of my posts this badly on purpose?


REad what i said. Read it. I said very clearly that STATISTICALLY, EVERYONE IS MOST LIKELY TOWN, and FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE HYPOTHETICAL, I was referring to a world in which RB is town, because that's the relevant scenario there, when RB asked me why I was assuming they were town when I was defending myself for joke-voting them.

The response to Kohai was angry and I don't think that assumptions of someone's alignment have anything to do with whether a joke-vote on that person in RVS is AI. The only way a vote on someone in RVS could be AI is if the voter was scum and knew the alignment of the person they were voting already, so I don't think town would factor the alignment of their vote target into their defense of what was supposedly a joke vote in rvs.

VOTE: Impoetic


TTTT is town but avatar is disturbing

rb is also still scummy

And last but not least- drealmerz is a mislynch

Aite cya

Haha no i'm pretty sure you can't read me in forum mafia

why are you jumping on a mislynch when the person being voted is trying to contribute and the person doing the voting is half-assedly misconstruing every single thing I say and talking like I'm confscum when he's barely read me and I haven't had time to be conf-anything

you're better than this

AtE and discrediting rather than focusing on contributing to scumhunting, which is what she claims to be doing in her AtE

this vote has had resistance from exactly one person, and the justification from everyone has been

I'm defensive

and

I jokevoted

the jokevoting justification is absolutely stupid and i've gone over that extensively

the "defensive" reasoning is about me going over it extensively, which is pro-town and generates content. Argument is good, isn't it? I can't go into any more detail because people can just chalk up anything i say in defense of myself to wifom

it's infuriating

i cannot believe i'm getting wagoned. i guess that's what i get for spazzing out there

I don't know why people TR drone or SR

actually i'm getting very few of the reads here. I tr Roxy but that may be bias because they're the only person i can understand at all this game

maybe rabbit but his last few posts sent him back to null

predit:

oh good someone else who isn't jumping on that stupid bw

shannon -- I typed walls of text as town because I had things to say. I'm not going to hold back what i want to say as town because I risk SRs, because I usually figure as town that justice will prevail in the end, and if people push on me, that gives more reads. I'm not used to being MLed

Not sure who Roxy is here - Impoetic, who is Roxy? Also, is this scum caught for the wrong reasons? Also noting that the only rational thing she has to say to anyone is shannon and the rest of her posting is AtE. Maybe shannon does know that it's Impoetic after all?

like

ok

maybe i would ever do it as scum, for wifom

but that'd be because I also do it as town. If I get voted and I don't think it's reasonable, I will respond with why it's unreasonable, and expect the voter to engage me so i can try to figure out whether they're pushing a mislynch as scum or genuinely just mistaken town

predit: the only player i know is transcend and i'm pretty bad at reading him as far as I know. I'll get back to you on that. If I knew a LOT of them, it'd be cause for concern on your part, wouldn't it? Like, if all the people who could meta me were wagoning me...

predit2: the "I'd do this as scum" was fine but then the "town points for the first person to give reasons for scumreading me" slightly leaned scum. Also i feel kind of pocketed right now but that's just me being paranoid. I don't think it's implausible that you're town but I mean, if you are, I don't think you'd lie, and it means you think people should potentially scumread you at this point; if you're scum, that means something else.

Her defense of her actions is WIFOM that basically says "Maybe I would do this as scum for WIFOM, but since it would be WIFOM that means I

could

do it as town so clearly all of this is NAI!"

rb's iso was lackluster and he could basically flip either way

?

i just got back and i'm trying to catch up, sorry. Titus, i thought you said you thought all town were lynching town, and i see that your SRs are not voting it, so why does wagon analysis prove he's town like that to you?

I mean, ok, lack of counterwagon. That might be a good point, actually.

But why can't TTTT be scum with him? It looks like TTTT is pushing the second most likely wagon right now.

well hey that was

obvious and cool

transcend i did figure out you were town while i was rereading = ( and i think kyouko's town too from what i've seen, but i'm far from finished catching up rip

rescinding the read on sesq

Okay wait I don't think I ever absorbed who D7 was. Sorry for the dumb question, but who is that? Or do you mean like, when it hits 7 people or something? :s

predit: sorry oops, that was unclear. Transcend was

obvious town and an obvious kill (in reference to the flip)

and

cool as in we lynched mafia

. I only checked transcend's actual role after people brought it up so i didn't see he was a JOAT immediately.

Impoetic didn't participate in the lynch and she's making it look like she did by saying we.

actually i'm not entirely sure what the obvious was directed at it might not have been transcend given my next sentence

i assume i said it on autopilot. I didn't really remember anything about RB, and though i thought his reaction was bad, titus resisting it made me pretty indifferent to that lynch, so i would hope i wasn't referring to that.

When called out (I think by TTTT) she backpedals. This looks like an OK lynch to me tbh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What posts are the intermediate VCs on? When does Shannon vote Impoetic?

The mod was gone between VC 1.10 on post 350 and VC 1.11 on post 566. I made 3 intermediate VCs by going back manually and using ctrl+F to find the votes. All the players are listed in the order that they voted to stay consistent so she is the 5th vote on the wagon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Looks like such an OK lynch in fact I'm gonna
VOTE: Impoetic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oogaboogadoogadoo

Spooky ghost you will be missed until tonight when we will be reunited

[ssbm_Kyouko]

something isn't right about day3
I feel like I'm being sold hot diarrhea in a paper cup

@Titus
I can see scum!Imp
I pushed it day2 before you and Drone dismissed it
but I still don't get two things:
1) Why didn't you reveal your target to Drone

at day start

?
2) Why is mafia ascetic more likely than mafia roleblocker?

@ssbm
why acquiesce so easily to Titus after all your doubts?
it's like you were only pushing scum!Titus when you thought you were her target

@GerryBFF
where are you?

We have 2 mislynches left before LyLo and there is a compelling case on Impoetic from D1 info imo. If we miss scum today and tomorrow I think that if Titus and/or Drone are scum and they live that long they will not win in that situation because the remaining town will be able to judge whether one or both of them are scum with massclaim.
I was pushing Titus mostly out of frustration that LUV flipped town and d7 got killed, and that frustration was amplified when she was stubbornly refusing to reveal the info that we had left her alive for yesterday. Now that she's cooperating and I'm settled down a bit I want to step back and look for scum everywhere again, except maybe Sesq. It's D3 now and we have a lot of flips to work with for VCA, and we'll have even more tomorrow. Titus is also a claimed PR and I'm worried about lynching another one of those. I wish LUV would have been honest with his claim from the start because it really looked like he was manipulating his claim to be convenient for his utility to town when he switched from Tracker to Follower. I also looked at setups in the archive and 2 player neighborhoods and UB+JOAT+2-shot Follower does not seem unusual to me, especially if Maf has a role such as strongman or roleblocker.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think that because town!Titus makes sense without making any huge stretches that it seems like a good idea to keep her alive today when she's a claimed PR. I think Roleblocker is most likely in this setup and if we lynch RB today then Titus still has JK to potentially stop tonight's kill and set us up for D6 MyLo with no-lynch D5. If Titus and Drone both live to see tomorrow and we miss scum today one of them has to die to see if the neighbor claim is real. D5 is LyLo if we proceed D3 ml>N3 scum NK (no vig shot, no protection)>D4 ml> N4 scum NK. We have 2 mislynches left

before

LyLo and Impoetic looks reasonably scummy right now. You can read my case on her, you don't have to reread her whole ISO.

She's also been coasting most of the game and if she's town she would be a terrible choice to have alive in LyLo, because she'll still look scummy and will be an easy target for scum. She will be there as town if we don't ml her - no way does scum NK her if she's town. She hasn't voted hardly at all this game either which is another reason she would look scummy in LyLo. If she's town and we mislynch her today we'll have better odds of hitting scum the next 2 days because she won't be around as an easy push tomorrow and in LyLo.

If you're town shannon I hope this reasoning gets through to you eventually even if you don't see the possibility of scum!Impoetic from my case

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also Titus I want to say this now in case I forget later but if you're really town and we do hit scum today, just know that a 2 player neighborhood in a game this size is likely to be 2 town, not 1 town 1 maf. To help you decide on who to JK

[ssbm_Kyouko]

take my vote as though it's on impoetic

She would be L-1 if your vote was officially on her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nobody hammer before Sesq and Drone figure out what's going on between them

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yeah shannon declared her vote should be seen as on you already and then TTTT voted putting you at L-1 so if she's asking for a claim now I assume it's intent to hammer from her.
Do you have intent to hammer shannon?
Also don't hammer before Sesq/Drone talk please

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Impoetic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Teehee

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is a liability lynch (oops) rather than a scum lynch, meaning mafia gets a free day even though I'm still considering subbing out (have been posting without being caught up so I'm pretty sure I'm further behind than you think, Shannon -- though the potential subber-inner would be that far behind too, they'd most likely be better than me) so the fact that I *am* subbing out should be cause for unvote unless you actually SR me, which I don't remember people voicing while I was actually active (except that brief wagon at d1 which dissipated just as briefly).

I'm beginning to think that with daytalk on shannon could have placed a quick vote on you to make your wagon look too easy/fast so that it would break up. Other people could reason it was my vote that did that but I know that if any vote was placed intentionally to make the wagon dissipate it was shannon's. That's when you followed up saying something like "wait don't speedlynch me guys I just saw like 3 votes" (quoting from memory) and then the wagon broke up soon after

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The case atm from titus is impoetic is scum because titus got no result on her and shannon started attacking titus (before titus revealed). Otherwise titus herself said she'd consider roleblock as the explanation about as likely if not more.

But it is possible titus was roleblocked and shannon took it as opportunity without the explicit target being relevant.

Consider the following:

why is titus alive?

If you leave a claimed PR alive you're intending to mislynch them or at least have it as an option. And you follow up on this either directly attacking them or otherwise casting shade.
The pool of people that makes is Shannon, TTTT, ssbm_kyouko and partially drone.

Of all of these shannon's stance on titus hasn't really made sense (d2 wagon) whereas I think I can follow the progression of kyouko and sort of TTTT. Drone did vote titus but his logic was entirely on other things; if you're going to leave someone alive to take issue with you don't attack them for entirely different reasons or even back off in under 3 hours (2168), so I don't think he really qualifies.
Shannon didn't vote titus (shannon's style in general seems to be coming in at the end with the "compromise" vote rather than leading anything though) but cast a ton of shade and focused on the theory and the places that make sense for this. Read 2309. Shannon throughout isn't having an independent drive or views but focuses on public opinion, what "everyone" thinks is a good idea and I believe trying to bring our focus to specific areas where it shouldn't be.

Titus's theory mostly hinges on shannon scum anyways but I think titus being roleblocked and having been a pre-planned target is more likely here.

if Titus is town she's alive because scum have a roleblocker and having her around causes dissension in the ranks. No need to kill her when they can kill off the townblock and roleblock her, rendering her powerless. They still have a couple nights to kill her if they want but even as a claimed pr she's not confirmed to anyone and she can't get confirmed as long as scum keep roleblocking her. They wouldn't be scared to leave her alive in 5way LyLo because nobody would consider her conftown under these circumstances.

Rask, have you looked back at the D1 Impoetic wagon or read my case on her? Have a comment on any of that, you're really tunneling shannon as it is. Not that it's not compelling I just think scum!shannon can't avoid being lynched in 5-way and Impoetic is a big fat question mark that we should get rid of sooner rather than later

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm reading Drone's posts in the same game and seeing a lot more depth here than there. Drone is a town lean now, if I consider him independently of anything happening with Titus.

In ISOing Drone in our game, though, I want to know how this progression happened, (bold in top post for emphasis of the relevant bit). There's not even a mention of LUV from Drone in between these two posts, besides the intent to hammer.

Titus/Uzi are not lynchable today for me.

(for the clarity; Titus null/towny{ish} - Uzi null/weak scummy
Gerryoat/Rask - Strong town reads.
TTTT/Kyouko - Generally TTTTown leaning
Shannon/Impoetic - Null. I still need more content to sort
Drealm - Null
Sesq - Scummy to very scummy.

VOTE: LUV

UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The quote was intentional, I'm waiting for Drone to answer shannon. I'd happily lynch him because he's claimed neighbor with Titus, so if he doesn't flip neighbor, that's game. If he does flip neighbor it basically clears Titus and leaves only a few options for scum. He and LUV are the only players that ditched the rb wagon when rb claimed BP at L-1 (6 votes). Wagon was Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, Lil Uzi Vert. LUV ditched the wagon first, then Drone, but the rest of us stayed on his wagon until lynch. This should be another reason you all can clear Sesq if you haven't already. Unless you think she was hard bussing at a time when 2 others dropped off the wagon and she could have easily gotten of the wagon without drawing much speculation.

I'm also going to attach my old case on Drone for reference.

ok I finished taking my notes like I was trying to do earlier. Brace yourselves

Spoiler:

@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.

@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

Because of the 101st point on Impoetic, durr!

What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.

Spoiler: Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

TTTT goes like “look, I'm town alright? I have reasoning and I'm sure of what I'm doing" in this post. I'm buying it!

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".

And that's why TTTT is scum guys!

Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

These posts together don't make sense to me. I pointed it out back then, asking if Kohai was being sarcastic but got no reply so I can only think he seriously thought Drone's case was legit

Nah, Iron ain't scum.
He's vibe transmit Village Idiot to me, my receptors don't lie.
I think it's only politically correct to lynch him!

This is Drone saying that he thinks it would be right to lynch someone he thinks is town this early in the day. He doesn't vote him though, just sort of encourages the idea of others voting him.

Fuck you spammers I don't want to read this garbage Lynch drone he's spamming this thread up why the fuck is there 18 pages?!?!

This guy is writing fucking nonsense and transcend is handing out town reads like hot cakes. He prob town reads Hitler too

VOTE: drone

I do not like this post at all.

Ironstove is now a strong scumread.

VOTE: Ironstove

He has only posted four times in the game and is very difficult to read. I don't like how he comes in out of nowhere and immediately votes drone and accuses him of spamming.

The first post is fine by itself, because iron chose some really bad ways to express his ideas there. What bugs me is that now we have Kohai openly defending Drone as though Drone

hasn't

been muddying his posts intentionally for most of the game so far.

RB is at L-2. Please no more votes on him until I can fully catch up. I will treat any hammer as a scum claim.

VOTE: Impoetic

Joke votes this far in the game is not town play.

L-2 is very bad. Especially at this point in DP1.

@Kyouku

If this is what you call overreacting, then Impoetic has been nuking us with drama.

I think he's trying to divert me away from Kohai and back towards the town!Impoetic wagon with this

i reread impo and think shes town lol

Saved me the work of voting and then unvoting.
Wondering about Fluffy now.

Take cover, I feel like we're giving way too much legitimation to Fluffy's blade fury!

These 2 posts look like an overreaction to obvtown!rabbit having a vague SR on Kohai. I don't see this as a town reaction so I decide to test the waters and vote Kohai to see what Drone will do.

Drealm needs reasons to keep drilling under Uzi..
That is why you can't get it!

I'm fine with taking Iron out.
VOTE: Ironstove

TTTT moved to the Null void.

I don't see the town motivation in voting for someone who you have admitted you think is VI. He's also bringing up Drealm and LUV again even though they've agreed to get back to each other later and not let them distract the rest of us from what's at hand.

FoS: Kyouku.

Instead of answering my reasonable question, you go further and vote.
Doesn't seem intentional to me, but also not something I like!

Elaborating defeats the purpose of reading between the lines,

Wow.

VOTE: Kyouku

Marvelous, that's one scum.

So now Drone is initially FoSing me partly because I voted Kohai, which is what I expected scum!Drone to do, so when he votes me I'm feeling more sure about this one. The vote on me is not town motivated.

U GUYS

KYO IS OBV TOWN

STAHP

Honestly transcend, it is shitposts like this one that gives me an FOS on you.

Kohai FoSes Transcend for having a TR on the player that is voting himself.

My top town reads right now are rabbit and drone.

Not only that but he so boldly outs that drone is one of his top townreads along with the player who is probably the most townread player in the game at this point

To do list:

1. Make case against transcend
2. ISO kyouko
3. Respond to impoetic.

@rabbit - just to clarify, do you town read or scum read me? If you scum read me, why?

I'm eager to hear what kind of scumbo jumbo

teehee, a pun

Kohai comes up with on Trans and I because it's gonna be good

I think they are together but it also makes a little sense to me for it to be scum!Drone whiteknighting town!Kohai, so I'll be putting my vote on Drone since he's the scum in both cases

VOTE: Drone

Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If he flips Mafia Neighbor there is no reason for the only other player in the neighborhood to be mafia. If he flips town neighbor it's still a possibility that Titus could be mafia neighbor, or she could be Town Universal Backup Neighbor. They've both already confirmed that there is not a third player in their neighborhood so there's no way Titus is mafia if Drone is a Mafia Neighbor (Mod wouldn't make a neighborhood with only scum in a game that has daytalk).

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I'm starting to feel a lot less good about lynching shannon or impoetic today and a lot more good about lynching Drone. What do you think TTTT?

VOTE: Drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't really see the point in two mafia claiming a neighborhood if they don't have one though? Like, if one got lynched, the other would be confirmed -- so why is that a possibility?

We lynched scum D1 so in order to even the odds scum may be tempted to make a risky play like this. It's just WIFOM. "Why would 2 scum claim a neighborhood if they would confirm each other as scum"? Because the fact we ask ourselves that question is enough to deter us from lynching one of them.

I think it's more likely there is one mafia neighbor and one town neighbor amongst them, rather than both of them being scum fakeclaiming neighborhood

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.

Titus have you looked around VC 1.20 when rb first hits L-1? Drone's unvote suggests scum imo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: shannon

I finished. I could still go for kyouko, too. I can't figure out gerry and TTTT at all. Rask looks town - I really like his case on shannon. Not sure at all what to think of Titus, but if this is her scum play, it's really... inspired. Sesq and Drone seem like town, too.

Titus, why did you start the wagon on me based on a no-result? What do you think of Rask's argument that shannon pushed back pretty much until you revealed who you targeted, and then backed off?

@Others wagoning me:
Why? Especially gerry and TTTT, who have not given motivations.

Sorry I've not been here much, I fell ill yesterday and posting properly just seemed too hard. I'll be back tonight with a proper response for Rask.

Welcome, Shadonra. I like your entrance.

Can you tell me more about your read on SSBM? Now that you've pointed it out I feel like that's one player who has been at the centre of things but who no-one has really bothered to look at.

I went back and started rereading day 1 to try to remember why I was scumreading him. I don't see it anymore. I only see more and more reasons to townread him (notably - rb tried to flip the wagon on him a few times). I'm reasonably sure the scumteam is you and Gerry.

What points you to Gerry so soon after you said you couldn't figure him or TTTT out? Also you've been scum with TTTT before, do you get scum vibes from him, being a little familiar with his game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hammering this wagon will be taken as a scumclaim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

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I think VCA clears Sesq and implicates Drone. Rask seems unlikely to be scum at this point but she's been tunneling shannon. Maybe he thinks he's convinced he's caught scum in her but I'm not sure. If Titus and Drone are truly neighbors they're likely to both be town, no 2 player hoods in archives contain 1 scum and 1 town. If we don't lynch one today and we do lynch town today one should be lynched tomorrow to confirm the other for LyLo. I know I'm lining lynches but I'm pretty sure I'm the NK tonight and I'm not holding out hope for a doc.

Will post some other thoughts in a bit, cooking soon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm. I'm really getting turned off by all these other wagons we've explored today, specifically shannon's and Impoetic/shadonra's. If we're not lynching Drone I'll still do Titus by deadline but I'd rather check on the validity of the neighborhood claim by lynching the one that doesn't claim to have a JK shot left in them. I believe both players have confirmed that they both started the game in the neighborhood, which means that mafia neighborizer isn't a possibility here. Will go back and check on what they said when I asked them about it, and will look at some timestamps as well to confirm, but pretty sure there's not a neighborizer. Would also lynch Gerry today as a third choice, but not above one of the "neighbors".

People should lynch Drone though, rabbit was pretty towny and if drone flips scum we can always do titus tomorrow. We already lynched a claimed PR once this game, lets not do that again

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I said I'm turned off by those wagons. We ran her up, got to talking, and as soon as I unvoted TTTT replaced me on the wagon. I'll take the heat if that slot flips scum but i am not lynching it today

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was happy and wrong to lynch LUV. Titus is still claimed PR and has a chance to block tonight's kill if she's town. If she's scum, It's very likely her partner is Drone and they're faking neighbors. What are you trying to say with that post anyways? That I should ignore the consequences of lynching LUV and go on to mindlessly lynch another PR without considering flips?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay so I went back and confirmed Drone said there is no neighborizer and also that he is a neighbor, and Titus has claimed neighbor UB. No neighborizer means that if one of them flips town neighbor or town UB neighbor the other should be cleared, unless mod decided to break all traditions and put 1 mafia neighbor and 1 town neighbor in a 2 player hood this game. A 1-shot Mafia Neighborizer wouldn't be unheard of but in that case, if the neighborizer is "normal", it does not change the role flip of the player it neighborizes. This means that one of Titus or Drone would not have "neighbor" in their role pm, and both have claimed to have "neighbor" in their role PM. There is, therefore, no "normal" neighborizer in this game.

Either 0 or 2 of [Titus, Drone] are scum. If it's 0 there are 2 scum outside of them. If someone can convince me of a very plausible team that doesn't include either those 2 I'll vote elsewhere today in good faith that town will lynch one of them tomorrow if we miss scum today.

Another benefit to town: Since either 0 or 2 of them are scum, in the worst case scenario where we lynch one and they flip town, the other will be confirmed town. This means mafia will NK the other one because they're confirmed. This will leave us with 2 scum in [Kyouko, Gerry, TTTT, Sesq, Shannon, Shadonra, Raskolnikov] with a mislynch to spare. Scum can only NK one of Sesq or I in this situation (if we mislynch, again, the worst scenario) so we still end up in 5-way LyLo with 1 very probable town based on rb interactions with myself and Sesq.

P sure there was never a strongman unless it was a mafia JOAT with Ninja, Roleblocker, Strongman. Ninja to counter follower, roleblocker to counter follower and town!JOAT, Strongman to counter BP/JK.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Again I recommend Drone over Titus because in the event they are town we will get one last JK from Titus before she is killed (unless she stops the kill). In the event Drone is scum, Titus is also scum and we win tomorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

it is unlikely that in a 2 person neighborhood in this size game there are 1 mafia neighbor and 1 town neighbor, according to past game archives. If one of you were neighborizer it would be more plausible that there is 1 scum among you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Convincing Titus and TTTT of what? They were both voting shannon before they voted you I'm pretty sure. Titus/TTTT/you/raskol and I'm sure one of Gerry or Drone would round out 5 for lynch. Not sure where Sesq is on her but I'm not interested

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Mod - VLA through Jan. 2

[ssbm_Kyouko]

"no result"
"caught scum"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone>Titus is my priority right now, I wanna see if neighbor claim is real because it's a convenient way to cover up the 2 remaining scum and I think even in the case that they're town the other will be NKed which means Sesq, TTTT and I all make it to tomorrow and have another mislynch before lylo, or another mislynch before lylo if we lynch drone and titus ends up being town joat and blocks kill with JK assuming the roleblocker is out of shots, if it's X-shot

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone>Titus is my priority right now, I wanna see if neighbor claim is real because it's a convenient way to cover up the 2 remaining scum and I think even in the case that they're town the other will be NKed which means Sesq, TTTT and I all make it to tomorrow and have another mislynch before lylo, or another mislynch before lylo if we lynch drone and titus ends up being town joat and blocks kill with JK assuming the roleblocker is out of shots, if it's X-shot

New years stuff is all done now so I'm back

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Priorities
1) Drone - scummy ties to Kohai, ditched rb wagon when it hit L-1, was not on final rb wagon, was on final LUV wagon. Artificial looking interactions with Titus slot
2) Titus - strictly a worse choice than Drone due to claims, not playing to her strengths of VCA, coming to bad conclusions about setup (assumes Ascetic in a setup with a Follower, disregards mod meta)
3) Gerry - low contribution, replaced a scummy slot, slot had ties to Drone, my top SR. Titus attempted to make a wagon on TTTT D1 during the rb wagon, could be Gerry was also scum and Titus needed to make a new wagon because the existing wagons were both on scum
4) shadonra - purely for Impoetic slot, would be a compromise b/c No Lynch sucks. Won't vote this except to hammer and won't hammer if I don't like the wagon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone and Gerry, Drone and Titus, and much less likely, Titus and Gerry. Shad is all Impoetic.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sesq

, I trust you the most so my final reads are

Town: Kyouko, Shannon, and TTTT
Null: Rask, Impoetic
Null Scum: Drone, Gerry
Scum: D7, Titus

Please sheep them and lead the town to victory.

Reading Drone ISO backwards atm and spotted that in a quote chain or something; feeling right about my scumpool. Lots of subtle slights and very little scumhunting from what I can tell. Reminds me of our Newbie game where he was scum and Rask and I were town. Basically when you go along with his ideas he leaves you alone but when you don't he belittles your play. Reads and interactions with Titus don't feel genuine either but that's just my perspective on it.

Also shannon we don't know they're neighbors yet, they could be scum together claiming neighbors to protect each other.

If they somehow both make it to 5 way LyLo one has to be lynched. If they're both town that's a loss. Therefore, they cannot both be allowed to make it to 5 way LyLo.

pedit:even now Drone is setting up WIFOM for why Titus isn't going to get NKed while they throw around their scum theatre. Bet pretty soon Titus votes Gerry or Drone will switch vote to shadonra/shannon, whichever one Titus is trying to mislynch atm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh they both belittle you when you don't follow their master plan I guess

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You knew it when you reread my Iso.
Kyouko, you're depending on other's laziness.

Sorry, what did I know, exactly? I'm depending on other people to read your iso and take notice of the apparent lack of scumhunting coupled with the shade you throw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If I die, lynch SSM and Shad. Period. No excuses. Turbo lynch them.

I'm down tbh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Excuse me? I just said I'm down to get killed if I'm worng about Titus. How does scum!me win in that situation?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Defending each other pretty hard

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

If scum fake the hood it's sort of like faking masons only you can't be UB JOAT if you're a mason. Gives you 2 a reason not to vote each other if you've been having private discussions in the hood that lead you to TR each other

[ssbm_Kyouko]

scum daychat is announced in this game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Perfect.
Now if you're town, (and heck you don't know how I hope you are) Kyouko should be scum.

For clarity;
Rask, Titus, Sesq and I are town.
Sesq being the weakest of reads.

Shannon is swinging in between the two but is not null.
So is Shadonra who currently shows town-motive.

Kyouko, TTTT, and Gerry.
Yup.
I'm in synch with myself.

Literally flip me and TTTT with you and Titus and we have the same reads list. should be obvious the course is to lynch one of [Titus, Drone] or one of [Kyouko, TTTT] today and if the lynchee flips town to lynch from the other pool tomorrow. Does that seem fair?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean sesq isn't the weakest read she's basically confirmed from the RVS wagon but the tiers are basically the same

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You guys are gonna feel real silly when you lynch the last of the town block and give scum free reign over their NK, just saying. If this goes through, one of Titus/Drone tomorrow.

VCA + POE is how I caught you in 1752 Drone, don't act like it doesn't confirm her

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Look someone needs to move if we're going to get a lynch. I'm prepared to do it, but I want an answer to this first:

What is the point of a two-person neighbourhood if both people in it are *always* town? What makes it different from a masonry, but for the lack of formal confirmation of the other's alignment? (What I mean is: Why would you choose neighbours instead of masons, if neighbours are always town too?)

Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.

The only people I 100% won't compromise on to are Rask and Sesq.

I 90% won't go SSBM

, I have null reads on TTTT and Gerry.

UNVOTE: to show genuine intend to change if reasoned with.

Putting all of the above out there in case I'm lynched or NKed, it's Sunday evening here so the Day could plausibly end while I sleep tonight.

VC 3.12

shadonra (3)

:

Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (3)

:

shannon

, TTTT,

Sesq

-- L-2!

shannon (2)

:

Raskolnikov,

shadonra

Drone (1)

:

ssbm_Kyouko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Fuck these compromise wagons. I am willing to lynch half the game and my scumreads are trying to lynch TTT and gerry now. No.

1)Imp Slot
2)Shannon
3)Drone
4)SSM/Sesq
5)No lynch, go fuck yourself

I do not understand a world in which you prefer to lynch SSBM or Sesq over a no lynch.

I also do not understand why you would prefer to lynch these two over Gerry and TTTT.

Your whole read is basically that Impoetic gave no result and I got annoyed with you for withholding your result. And you don't like how I look at game mechanics instead of relying solely on play. That's not a case.

Or rather, it's as much a case for me being impatient (and how could I have known you'd investigate Impoetic, if we were a team?) and there being a roleblocker somewhere, as it is for me and Impoetic being some kind of ascetic/roleblocker/ninja/strongman combo team. Seriously. Let it go. Look at things from another perspective.

So we go from 2 posts suggesting Shannon is strongly opposed to lynching me today, to this, where she claims she is POEing me and can't find the scumtells in my posts. She's also only POEing me on the assumption that Titus and Drone are both town which she admits to making in 2551 because she's "following us all."

Spoiler: 2551 snippet

Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.

There's no point to vote Kyouko.
No one would join me.

I am alone on confscum and SSM is giving buddy tells. We have 1 day. I would join, reluctantly.

As I said earlier, if the two of you are town then POE leads me to SSBM.

I just can't find the scum tells in his posts.

Where did you say this? I don't think you ever did. Looks more like covering for an opportunistic vote when the tide starts to swing.

This bit in bold is why we're lynching SSBM. Add Sesq to the town list, by the way.

Need everyone on the impoetic/shadonra wagon's comment on shadonra, only TTTT's really said anything there. Gerryoat popped in but didn't mention it.

Really have to start closing the day out now. I still think shannon's probably the best lynch here, if not her then maybe drone, but it's annoying this has taken too long and I've started second guessing... I'm not 100% either shadonra's town (more like 70?) but there's the chance it's like another LUV lynch where it tells us literally nothing because of how uninvolved impoetic was.

The LUV lynch *did* tell us stuff, though.

It told you all that his result on me was accurate, that I didn't do the N1 kill.
It also told you that the main reason for wanting to lynch him, i.e. that his claim didn't jibe well with Titus', was BS.

If Titus is town (via the 'neighbours are always town in this setup' generalisation) ((This is where I suspend my disbelief)), that makes Drone town also. Yay, we've got two conf townies!

If Titus is town then she really did get 'no result' on Impoettic.

I think that if Titus is willing to suspend *her* disbelief about my alignment and not jump to far-fetched conclusions about me and Impoetic having weird role combos, we end up with something plausible. Titus, Drone, Impoetic/Shad, and me are all town. (I want to add you to this too, Rask).

The PR has been roleblocked both N1 and N2. For whatever reason, Titus was left alive in favour of D7. Let's put this down to WIFOM. So, scum is within SSBM, TTTT, Gerry, and Sesq. My *guess* as to why D7 was killed is that it allowed SSBM to make small talk about mourning her town block and having to try to recruit some of us to the new one. I'll have to read back to see whether I remember that right.

PS -

If you lynch me all you'll know is that LUV's result on me was true, which you already know. We won't be any closer to narrowing down the scum pool. If you lynch Drone, well, maybe we strike it lucky and get the only neighbours (apparently ever?) to have one scum and one town. But more likely, we don't learn anything, and we still don't know squat about Titus. I think we need to look elsewhere.

I'm having trouble following the reasoning here but it looks like she's forming a POE based on the assumption that Titus and Drone are town because they've claimed neighbors, which is something that isn't and won't be confirmed unless we lynch one of them. Scum won't NK either of them if they're town because if we see a neighbor flip we'll basically confirm the other one.

Also confused where shannon gets town!impoetic/shadonra from, not that I disagree.

Too many scumspects anymore, head's going in circles

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I do not understand how Titus's no-result on me clears me for town. The argument given here for why ssbm is scum is one of the weakest I've ever seen. I am extremely not understanding why we are not lynching you today.

I'm not going to give you fake reasons to lynch me!

Wait so you explaining why you want to lynch me, or you explaining how Titus's no-result clears Shadonra for town, would just be a fake reason to lynch you? If you're not willing to explain either of those, can you explain why you think those explanations would be fake reasons to lynch you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You're going to have to walk me through how that question is shading, and how you're not suspicious at all of shannon's sudden turn on me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You implied you weren't because you explicitly said that I was shading her. If we don't have time to open new subjects are you saying that my wagon is not a new subject?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

Nowhere near lynching TTTT or Rask. On phone in bed still but getting up soon. Will go back to 1441 or whatever that post was and see what I was speculating. It was probably a vigi theory if it was the thing I wasnt talking about on the morning of D2. Townblock I was referring to was Transcend, d7, me, TTTT from D1. I did say I'd vote shadonra if I was the hammer vote and the wagon composition was good.

Rask, TTTT, Sesq are my TRs. The wagons and pushes on Shannon and shadonra today have given me bad feelings.

Anyone who actually read day 1 would know I wasn't bussing rb
Also enjoying the way I've pointed out to you multiple times that Drone bailed off the rb wagon when it hit L-1 and never came back. He was trying to get other people to buy rb's fakeclaim by leading them by example

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: rb wagon

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

,

Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

:

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

I've highlighted my and drone's votes in purple so people can compare them for Titus's "bus zone" theory. Also put Titus's votes in yellow to show what she was doing around the time of the rb wagon (iamafluffyrabbit=Titus)

So Titus is saying Drone and I are in the bus zone and has ignored (said she'd come back to it, never did) me previously pointing out that Drone abandoned the rb wagon when it was convenient and never came back. Titus, do you really think that if I were bussing that I would not have gotten off of the rb wagon when LUV and then Drone did? If I were scum bussing him I could have easily gotten off the wagon at that point; 3 unvotes in a row would have stalled his wagon while a counter was brought about. At that point, Gerry had 3 votes and rb had 4. I could have voted Gerry, the cw to rb (the way Drone did, btw), but I didn't. I stuck to rb with Transcend and d7.

Looks pretty believable to me Drone was bussing rb and got cold feet when he thought there was a chance the wagon would dissipate. He also voted d7 when he got off the rb wagon following LUV, and for those who don't remember, LUV's top scumreads were Impoetic and d7 on D1. It seems to me that Drone might have been trying to start a counterwagon that LUV, a town player who had shown a willingness to believe rb's claim, might have gone for. This wagon was also on a player who had been consistently voting rb since early D1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well that's a bonus.

Early pushers of rb = clear.
Early pushers of Impeotic are clear.

Ssm drone. Ty vm.

How are early pushers of Impoetic clear? Are you saying Impoetic is confscum? Trying to follow this analysis you're pointing out.

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

rb wagon was slooow
rb was obvscum and had given up
no busing would be required for that lynch

Yet, scum need to vote somewhere or not at all.

They don't want to be on the counter. Hence why I was unable to get one.

That leaves lurk, bus, or safeplace.

No scum on Gerry wagon.
Scum shad/Impoetic lurked.
SSM bussed.

Scum could have easily gone to the counterwagon, TTTT was begging for people to come to it, and he was outwardly TRed by Transcend and I and probably d7 too, something scum would have noticed. Scum, knowing that 3 town were TRing a 4th town, would be able to join the wagon being lead by that widely TRed player with comfort knowing that a good chunk of the town (4/10) would be okay with it. You're leaving out your own slot and your votes which looked like vanity wagons to me. Shannon was also voting in a useless place at lynch time, pushing Transcend of all people. I find it hard to believe that town!Titus is this ignorant of scum!Drone, that, combined with the neighbor claims, is why you 2 are my top scumreads.

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

Nowhere near lynching TTTT or Rask. On phone in bed still but getting up soon. Will go back to 1441 or whatever that post was and see what I was speculating. It was probably a vigi theory if it was the thing I wasnt talking about on the morning of D2. Townblock I was referring to was Transcend, d7, me, TTTT from D1. I did say I'd vote shadonra if I was the hammer vote and the wagon composition was good.

Rask, TTTT, Sesq are my TRs. The wagons and pushes on Shannon and shadonra today have given me bad feelings.

Anyone who actually read day 1 would know I wasn't bussing rb
Also enjoying the way I've pointed out to you multiple times that Drone bailed off the rb wagon when it hit L-1 and never came back. He was trying to get other people to buy rb's fakeclaim by leading them by example

That's actually more indicative of town Drone. The never getting back on is indicative of consistency. Scum don't want to be the sole unvoter.

You still can bus Impoetic. There is time for that, or you ignore that part of the analysis?

You're probably right about scum not wanting to be the sole unvoter, but Drone wasn't the sole unvoter. You're forgetting that LUV unvoted first and that Drone moved immediately to vote the player LUV was SRing. Does that not look scummy to you given the flips of rb, LUV, and d7?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like I don't know which part of the analysis you're talking about when you confirm Impoetic as scum. If you're talking about the lurking/safeplace votes, again, you're completely ignoring yours and shannon's votes, as well as arbitrarily clearing Drone's vote of any suspicion because it was on Gerry, on the basis that scum

wouldn't

be on the counterwagon to scum.

Ridiculous analysis.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

not doing your own and trying to attack the townblock

Jesus. Christ.

Are you even reading?
You, Drone, the townblock? LMAO

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: rb wagon

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

,

Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

:

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

I've highlighted my and drone's votes in purple so people can compare them for Titus's "bus zone" theory. Also put Titus's votes in yellow to show what she was doing around the time of the rb wagon (iamafluffyrabbit=Titus)

So Titus is saying Drone and I are in the bus zone and has ignored (said she'd come back to it, never did) me previously pointing out that Drone abandoned the rb wagon when it was convenient and never came back. Titus, do you really think that if I were bussing that I would not have gotten off of the rb wagon when LUV and then Drone did? If I were scum bussing him I could have easily gotten off the wagon at that point; 3 unvotes in a row would have stalled his wagon while a counter was brought about. At that point, Gerry had 3 votes and rb had 4. I could have voted Gerry, the cw to rb (the way Drone did, btw), but I didn't. I stuck to rb with Transcend and d7.

Looks pretty believable to me Drone was bussing rb and got cold feet when he thought there was a chance the wagon would dissipate. He also voted d7 when he got off the rb wagon following LUV, and for those who don't remember, LUV's top scumreads were Impoetic and d7 on D1. It seems to me that Drone might have been trying to start a counterwagon that LUV, a town player who had shown a willingness to believe rb's claim, might have gone for. This wagon was also on a player who had been consistently voting rb since early D1.

Vote for Drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Deadline's coming and I'd much rather Drone but this is where my TRs are voting and Titus ignores cases on Drone anyways so they're probably partners
VOTE: Titus
L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If I die, lynch SSM and Shad. Period. No excuses. Turbo lynch them.

I'm down tbh

Also we've both expressed this sentiment about the other, just lynch one of us and if town flips lynch the other tomorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

WTF the VC is directly above my post. It shows Titus having 2 votes from TTTT, Sesq. It's 4 to lynch. I voted you, that makes 3 votes. 3 Votes when it's 4 to Lynch is L-1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh 5 to lynch lol, thought I was L-1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What is organic about "I'm taking my no result to mean guilty"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I pounced on you before I knew who you targeted because you were withholding information from us. No result does not mean guilty, and no organic thought process would lead you to believe that, let alone lead you to believe that I'm specifically scum for attacking anti-town play before your target was revealed, especially when there were several players pushing you for that. You're still ignoring the case on Drone and ignoring my claims that you're ignoring it. Doesn't even matter if we no-lynch at this point because if I'm NKed town will lynch you 2 and if I'm lynched they still will. If I'm left alive I'll just get you tomorrow. You guys are finished

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Besides if you really meant that no result equated to a guilty you would have never unvoted Impoetic/shadonra all day, but here you are, voting me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus if I'm not shadonra's partner who would be?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Assuming you're right about scum!shadonra, they still have to have a partner somewhere. Working from the PoV that you're not scum!shad's partner, this is what I'm getting. Want to see how it lines up with your thoughts
Kyouko - Assume I'm town for this exercise, same way I'm assuming you are for this
Titus - Assuming you're not the partner for this, but if I wasn't, you being the partner would mean 1 scum and 1 town in the same hood which is unlikely. You'd also be tunneling your partner today unnecessarily despite your slot being the one to slow the Impoetic D1 wagon down.
Sesq - Strong TR of mine due to the RVS wagon and much improved play today. Started game weaker but has been picking it up lately, not likely to be scum with anyone imo
TTTT - Early, consistent TR of mine. Could be a blindspot scum that I've missed but also seems unlikely to be partnered with shad. Makes sense as scum with me or maybe maaaaaaybe Sesq but I highly doubt that. If the 3 of us make it to 5way LyLo I would be suspicious that I was left alive long enough for that to happen and would reconsider the plausibility of that team.
Raskol - Could be scum with shad, but I'm getting good vibes from here. This or Drone make the most sense to me as shad partners, partly because of the gerry wagon D1. I doubt scum would be so brash as to lump both of their votes onto the cw to rb.
Gerry - Has vote parked on shadonra now, but I get the feeling that gerry is a busser as scum. Heard him brag about not getting lynched as scum so maybe this is the case. Not all that likely, but not out of the realm of reasonable probability.
Drone - Been scumreading this slot off and on since D1, wouldn't be surprised to see this as a shad partner but that would mean he's a mafia neighbor with a town UB neighbor in a 2 person hood which is unlikely
Shannon - Shadonra is trying to lynch this at deadline. Unlikely partnership, because scum!shad would have a lot easier time voting for one of us leading wagons.

If shad's scum it makes sense with Rask and there's an outside chance of it making sense with Drone or you, but the hood and your guys' votes complicates that. Shad talking about lynching one of you 2 in 5 way could indicate he is with one of you 2 and will target the other at that point. If shad's scum it's with Rask imo, who is now voting TTTT but has been tunneling shannon since replacing in up until quite recently.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Who exactly is rushing to save the Imp/shad slot?

Shannon, SSM,

Drone

Okay I found something I can work with. You see Shad/Drone as well, if shad flips scum and it takes my flip as well to convince town of scum!Drone I'll take it.
VOTE: shadonra

TTTT doesn't want shannon for some reason. Lots of talk from all 3 of us (TTTT, me, Titus) about willingness to no lynch if it comes down to certain players but we're all being too stubborn especially me/Titus. If we no lynch we only have 1 lynch left before 6 way MyLo which is strictly worse than mislynching and still having 1 lynch left before 5 way LyLo. I'd rather town be hunting for 2 scum out of 5 than 2 scum out of 6. Looks like better odds to me, and there are a lot fewer possible scumbinations in that case. I feel like LyLo is better than MyLo for town unless town has investigators and it doesn't seem like we do.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also Gerry's vote is sitting on shad and since he's V/LA we can't make use of that vote on any other wagons and no lynch is worse than an actual random lynch here so I'll flex for this

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If you've got to get back to work then in the interest of avoiding no-lynch you should probably vote shad, if avoiding no lynch is indeed what you're interested in

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll be here until deadline

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Gerry until I see a legit reason to vote me from him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like that was so left field and I was on the phone when it happened I'm still shocked, going to comb that iso for even a hint of a scumread on me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also makes sense with Drone I made that case D1 and quoted it twice today

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've been over this already... today's posts by shannon and LUV are not those of a scumteam. This leaves the possbility that their could be 1 or 0 scum among them. If shannon were scum I'd say gerry is a likely partner but shannon being scum makes LUV town, which makes their claim true. If shannon gerry and rb is the team, and rb gets lynched, do you really see gerry performing the NK when he's the #2 suspect behind rb at end of day? Rhetorical question, the answer is no, shannon would do that kill, but LUV saw her go nowhere. I seriously doubt shannon somehow was a strongman and a ninja in the same night, so I'd say the chances of shannon being the 1 scum here are slim. Assuming LUV is the scum seems like an easy way for scum to push a mislynch off of my suspicions in D1. Nobody seems to be listening to what LUV is saying lately, which makes me think his wagon now is scum-driven. Look at Gerry posting about once a day to do nothing other than remind us to lynch LUV. Titus, if you're truly JOAT now you have a JK shot left, and you were suspicious of the way Gerry was talking about the strongman earlier right? Let's lynch Gerry today and you can jail Drone tonight.

I think Gerry is the 2nd scum and the last is in Titus/Drone

VOTE: Gerryoat

Spoiler: Fast and loose case on Gerry from a skim of his slot's ISO

Welcome back drone. Excellent analysis.

I'm off to bed. It's almost 3 am.

The above post was made wrt this post:

@rb
Plz explain that TR on me.
I mean, other than how your role PM told you that I'm not on your team.

Consistency is town trait
It's not a Newbie game, I think it's obvious and needless to say. But I can agree that it was a bit too early to give that read.

@Transcend
Why is Imp scum?
I'm going to split posts just so you can enjoy my avatar more...

Because of the 101st point on Impoetic, durr!

What strikes rb as scum to you?

Vote was based on gut upon game entry. Not really buying the cavalier meme-posting attitude on the first pages. Looks forced. Totally gut though.
Naked votes are best votes when entering a game.
Then rb said he couldn't remember why he was SRing ssbm.
Like this never happened

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

Why do you think that?

post 54 is literally pointless fluff that serves no purpose except, 'look im contributing'

Upon wagon collapse, he gives me a TR.

TTTT goes like “look, I'm town alright? I have reasoning and I'm sure of what I'm doing" in this post. I'm buying it!

scum look bad if the wagon goes through, ppl lost their minds about it getting to L-2. i'd be mislynch but everyone on the wagon would be under suspicion - you don't really seem to give a shit because ur not worried about it, so ur town enough for now

But that means you didn't consider I'm a good enough scum player to not freak out about L-2.

Then he just shits on it with "fuck it, no I'm scum".

And that's why TTTT is scum guys!

It bothered me back then, and when I asked Kohai if that was sarcasm he didn't reply to me.

Fuck you spammers I don't want to read this garbage Lynch drone he's spamming this thread up why the fuck is there 18 pages?!?!

This guy is writing fucking nonsense and transcend is handing out town reads like hot cakes. He prob town reads Hitler too

VOTE: drone

I do not like this post at all.

Ironstove is now a strong scumread.

Flaming is rude as heck but not a scum trait imo. Leaves me thinking the flaming is an excuse to chainsaw ironstove to get pressure off Drone.

My top town reads right now are rabbit and drone.

Conveniently the 2 players I think this slot is most likely to be scum with.

Enter Gerry

This is my first scumread

VOTE: Drone

Distancing? Maybe? Not like anyone can call him out on this since he's just replaced in, so it's fine for his slot's reads to change.

Yo, I think transcend is town. And if his claim is legit then i think rb is maf from a setup standpoint. but hmmmm. question is, would rb REALLY claim BP as maf? that's like the most scummy PR claim. Is it too scummy to be scum? Or is it wifom that we would all think it's too scummy to be scum and unvote it. anyway, i think i'm gonna vote this for now

VOTE: rb

If anyone on the rb wagon was scum it's this^

No one wants to lynch D7/Impoetic so I'm forced to compromise.

why did you not track one of your 2 scumreads?You scumread them so much that you felt that you'd have to 'compromise' to vote someone else. @Lil Uzi Vert

This question doesn't take into consideration that LUV was expecting rb to flip town. Those scumreads of his were based on a very old conversation early in D1. d7's vocal pushing of rb probably was reinforcing that read up until the flip, where LUVs perspective was shattered. I'm guessing he looked at my posts pointing toward the associations between LUV, rb, and shannon, and tracked shannon because rb flipped scum and he knows he's town if he's really the tracker.

rofl you can't be this bad dude, i refuse to believe this.

I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

How about you instead, you ask yourself why I was asking her to stop the wagon on TTTT (who was voting me at the time), and instead vote rb (the mafia) maybe then you'll realize your vote on me is bad

We already hit a scum so right now its 9 town:2 scum. If we don't kill Titus today and she's not scum, mafia will almost certainly kill her because she has a GS shot left in her. If she gets a guilty and we follow it tomorrow we'd be at worst 7 town:2scum with Titus confirmed scum for faking a gunsmith guilty. If she's scum she'll probably claim a "No Gun" result on someone to avoid having to bus her only remaining teammate.

VOTE: LUV
I think we can do this today after all. Claims have shown he's not who I thought he was when we woke up D2, back to my associative reads

^^^^^ this is SCUM. HE SAYS IM MAF AND THEN VOTES MY SCUMREAD

The one reason I've found for his SRing me is that I voted for LUV, his scumread. I voted LUV because TTTT wouldn't move and LUV was an old SR of mine who was only beginning to towntell D2. If they'd fullclaimed from the get-go I probably wouldn't have voted this but the adjustment of his claim really looked like it was tailored to make himself convenient to keep alive, and just cancelled out the doubts I was beginning to have about lynching him.

P sure the only response Gerry has had all game to scumreads directed at him is to discredit by calling his accuser bad

that's because he's bad at articulating himself

nah, just seems bad at game

i'm suspecting it may be wifom bad town play, but that's fairly baseless and I don't know how he plays elsewhere

better than both of you lol, youre tunnelng town and have the audacity to call me maf. fuck off

Uses tunneling town as a phrase to discredit multiple people on separate occasions when most of his D2 involved him posting once a day to remind us to vote LUV. If that's not tunneling town idk what is.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Doubt scum is dumb enough to try to say that even before TTTT pointed that out, if anything he's keeping a genuinely concerned townie from falling under suspicion for voicing their concern

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus I'm town. Who makes sense to you as a shad partner besides me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you see anything pointing to shannon + Gerry/Kohai slot? @Shad

[ssbm_Kyouko]

if Gerry flips scum I think LUV's shannon result clears her. Gerry being the object of suspicion second to rb on D1 makes me think that if Gerry is scum, his partner performed the N1 kill. LUV checked shannon and didn't see her go anywhere. Unless Gerry flips Roleblocker/Rolestopper, and targeted Transcend, and shannon is a ninja, I don't think gerry/shannon is very likely

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If I'm obvtown why did Gerry vote me?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

TTTT started the Gerry wagon and says he did it to try to bait scum into getting onto the cw to rb. TTTT shifted to TRing Gerry the next day and onwards up until Gerry suddenly voted me just now. I couldn't make sense of his Gerry read but flipping it in favor of me makes sense to me because his read on Gerry should have been weaker than his read on me imo.

Players who voted Gerry d1 should be in my post casing Drone around the rb wagon.

Spoiler: rb wagon

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

,

Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

:

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

I've highlighted my and drone's votes in purple so people can compare them for Titus's "bus zone" theory. Also put Titus's votes in yellow to show what she was doing around the time of the rb wagon (iamafluffyrabbit=Titus)

So Titus is saying Drone and I are in the bus zone and has ignored (said she'd come back to it, never did) me previously pointing out that Drone abandoned the rb wagon when it was convenient and never came back. Titus, do you really think that if I were bussing that I would not have gotten off of the rb wagon when LUV and then Drone did? If I were scum bussing him I could have easily gotten off the wagon at that point; 3 unvotes in a row would have stalled his wagon while a counter was brought about. At that point, Gerry had 3 votes and rb had 4. I could have voted Gerry, the cw to rb (the way Drone did, btw), but I didn't. I stuck to rb with Transcend and d7.

Looks pretty believable to me Drone was bussing rb and got cold feet when he thought there was a chance the wagon would dissipate. He also voted d7 when he got off the rb wagon following LUV, and for those who don't remember, LUV's top scumreads were Impoetic and d7 on D1. It seems to me that Drone might have been trying to start a counterwagon that LUV, a town player who had shown a willingness to believe rb's claim, might have gone for. This wagon was also on a player who had been consistently voting rb since early D1.

If you don't wanna look at the VCs under the spoiler just know players voting Gerry included TTTT, ironstove(Raskolnikov), iamafluffyrabbit(Titus), and Drone. After Titus replaced in she moved her vote off of Gerry and onto TTTT, then Drone replaced her on the Gerry wagon. It never got bigger than 3 players.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I will never vote ttt, Gerry, rask. Ever.

Can you explain the reason behind any of these? Rask seems town but ironstove sucked tbh. TTTT is still possibly a blindspot scum. Gerry hasn't done anything and his wagon didn't take off D1. If he were the counterwagon to scum rb, and that's your reason for not voting him, then why would you not vote TTTT, who was leading the counterwagon to scum? If he wasn't a counterwagon to scum, why won't you ever vote him? Where did he towntell to you so hard that you've locked him in as town, and how is he not still a potential blindspot to you? He pushed at you the morning of this day as well when you wouldn't reveal your target, and that's why you're SRing me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

you guys are bad

Hmm, haven't seen this before

Or have I?

P sure the only response Gerry has had all game to scumreads directed at him is to discredit by calling his accuser bad

pedit: You're at 4 votes and there are 2 scum left. How is it that only 1 town is voting you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

TTTT was saying gerryBFF up until roughly 10 minutes ago

Up until Gerry scumclaimed by voting me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've literally played(lost) games with gerryoat in similar fashion as this

Ask yourself why he voted me since he won't answer for himself. Read his ISO if you need to. Gerry is definitely aware of his own meta, I've played games with him where he uses it to defend himself and gets away with it.

Remember he tunneled LUV all day yesterday. Hardly considered anything else, if at all. Look at his vote on the rb wagon and tell me it's out of the realm of possibility that he was bussing there.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Mod has confirmed setup to be 10 town vs 3 scum, no 3rd party, with daytalk on, it's all in teh first couple of mod posts

[ssbm_Kyouko]

He's at l minus 1 because SSM wants to rip my townreads up and the counter is scum.

Can't keep talking about me like that if you want to kill me before LyLo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You had the opportunity to switch from rb to me, and didn't. which is why i think you're town.

Hey guess who else didn't? Me. Guess who did? Drone. Haven't seen you pushing Drone yet

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2832 is scumclaim #2

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Maybe because you TR Sesq for doing

the same thing I did

but instead of TRing me for it you vote me. You also don't SR Drone for doing

the opposite

of what you TR Sesq for

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You didn't. When did I say you did? I said you

don't SR Drone.

There's a difference, and now you're trying to argue semantics instead of explaining why if Sesq does one thing it means town, but if I do the same thing it means I should be voted.

887 is before the action in question here. What made you tie Shannon or Drone to LUV? If You SRed TTTT why would you vote LUV with him all day yesterday but then call me scum for voting LUV with you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OOh shit looks like the day was meant to be over a half hour ago.

Fingers crossed
VOTE: Gerry

I don't mean to sound cocky,

but I've never been lynched as scum on this site

, and I've been the townread in every game I was scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't even be considered scum right now.

There's a first time for EVERYTHING

[ssbm_Kyouko]

See you in the dead thread btw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well glad to see TTTT flip town because I doubt all town lynched LUV. Titus or Drone today imo. Working on colored VCs as we speak

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd say if only 1 its more likely Drone because Titus wouldn't make the VCA on LUV lynch so obviously point to them fmpov
VOTE: Drone

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also there was a strongman

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gerry knew there was a strongman because he docced transcend i guarantee it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No roleblocker means no result was not possible for titus unless shadonra is somehow ascetic or untargetable
VOTE: Titus
Titus today, shadonra tomorrow if titus is town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shad if you're town and untargetable you should claim so we don't mislynch this tbh, but this is caught scum if you're not untargetable

[ssbm_Kyouko]

sad that gerry didn't hardclaim that when titus claimed no result

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your slot is the only living slot in the game that never voted rb also

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What I'm saying is the Transcend kill is explained by a strongman because Gerry was doc. This means it wasn't a roleblocker which means Titus wasn't blocked N2, which means "No Result" was a lie

Can any of you think of a good reason for town!Titus to lie about getting a no result?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i'd stake the game she's scum, like turbolynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong levels of stake the game. Or turbolynch me now and do her tomorrow idgaf because Drone is the only partner that makes sense with her, we win either way

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll happily lynch shad today if town!shad means we lynch you tomorrow and scum!shad means we lynch me tomorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i don't think there can be doubt in anyone's mind at this point that either I or Titus is scum, and we have 2 lynches left. Just lynch both of us

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait Titus are you suggesting there's a roleblocker and a strongman? A roleblocker can't kill Transcend N1 because he had double protection from his own BP (according to you, and why would you lie about that? ) and it is apparent that Gerry Docced Transcend because he was sure that there was a strongman. It was only after he realized that nobody else could know it was a strongman for sure unless he claimed that he backed down from that theory. And you pushed him so hard over it because you knew he was onto something

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Shadonra

This TTTT flip is so relieving.

Kyouko
What reason Titus had to fake the result?

She doesn't have a reason to fake the result if she's town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

Hey guys look me in the eyes and tell me that Titus and I are both town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I love how Titus is scared to lynch me now that she knows it damns her

I also love that now that it's convenient for her she agrees with my old joat theory

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do I sound scared to anyone else here besides Titus? lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll tell you what that "night action" means. It means if we don't lynch Titus today scum!Titus will not kill tonight and tomorrow will be MyLo, and then Titus will claim the person she "jailed" is scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Day 1 Colored VCs

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

:

Kohai

rb

(1)

: ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

drealmerz7

, Drone,

TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.02

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

Transcend

,

rb

rb

(2)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

:

Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone,

TTTT

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.03

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

,

Transcend

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

:

Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone,

TTTT

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.04

rb

(3)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

:

Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone,

TTTT

,

Transcend

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.05

rb

(4)

: ironstove,

drealmerz7

, Sesq,

TTTT

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Drone (1)

:

Kohai

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.06

rb

(2)

: ironstove,

TTTT

TTTT

(2)

: Drone,

rb

Impoetic (2)

:

Kohai

, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Transcend

,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

VC 1.07

rb

(2)

: ironstove,

TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

Impoetic (2)

:

Kohai

,

Transcend

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Missed more pagetops. That's what I get for watching a movie instead of the thread =(

VC 1.08

Impoetic (3)

:

Kohai

,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(2)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

rb

, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

:

Kohai

,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.10

Impoetic (3)

:

Kohai

,

Transcend

, ironstove

drealmerz7

(3)

: shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Intermediate VC 1.10.1

Impoetic (5)

:

Kohai

,

Transcend

, ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko, shannon

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

Intermediate VC 1.10.2

Impoetic (3)

:

Kohai

, ssbm_Kyouko, shannon

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

TTTT

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Kohai

(1)

:

Transcend

Drone (1)

: ironstove

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

Intermediate VC 1.10.3

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

ironstove (3)

:

Kohai

, Sesq, Drone

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Kohai

(2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: ironstove

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

VC 1.11

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

:

Kohai

, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Kohai

(2)

:

Transcend

, ssbm_Kyouko

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: ironstove

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

I guess sleeping was a mistake =P Thanks Sesq for the VC <3 It helped me check my own.

VC 1.12

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

:

Kohai

, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

Kohai

(1)

:

Transcend

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.13

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

ironstove (2)

:

Kohai

, Sesq

ssbm_Kyouko (2)

: iamafluffyrabbit, Drone

Drone (2)

: ironstove, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

rb

(1)

:

TTTT

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.14

ironstove (3)

:

Kohai

, Sesq,

TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Drone (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until 29th.

VC 1.15

ironstove (3)

:

Kohai

, Sesq,

TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

:

Transcend

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I need something new to put here.

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

:

Kohai

, Sesq,

TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

:

Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

:

gerryoat

gerryoat

(1)

:

TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

:

gerryoat

gerryoat

(1)

:

TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, ironstove

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.21

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko,

Lil Uzi Vert,

Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.23

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT,

ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

: Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

:

gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.27

rb

(5)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq(1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone, Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, ironstove

TTTT

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, Drone

TTTT

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.31

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(3)

:

TTTT

, ironstove, Drone

TTTT

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat,

ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, Drone

TTTT

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat

(2)

:

TTTT

, Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

, ironstove,

TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

: Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Spoiler: Day 2 Colored VCs

VC 2.01

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

I'm sleepy. Like all the time recently. Because it's SO FREAKING HOT IN AUSTRALIA.

VC 2.02

Titus (1)

:

drealmerz7

NOT VOTING (10)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

TTTT

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Movie suggestions, people! I need some.

VC 2.03

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

:

gerryoat

,

drealmerz7

,

TTTT

NOT VOTING (8)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon, Sesq,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Thanks, you guys are the best. <3

VC 2.04

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

:

gerryoat

,

drealmerz7

,

TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (7)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone, shannon,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Drone has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.05

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

:

gerryoat

,

drealmerz7

,

TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Titus (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (6)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

ironstove has been prodded. As the prod falls over the weekend, they have 72 hours to post.

VC 2.06

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Zzzzz I posted 2 VCs on the same page again yesterday. Apologies.

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.07

Titus (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

ironstove (1)

: Sesq

Impoetic (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.08

Titus (5)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, shannon, Drone

-- L-1!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

VC 2.09

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Titus, ironstove, Sesq, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

As ironstove has not picked up his prod I am searching for a replacement.

VC 2.10

Titus (4)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

, Drone

-- L-2!

Lil Uzi Vert

(3)

:

gerryoat, TTTT,

Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Oh, a pagetop!

VC 2.11

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat

, Sesq

Impoetic (2)

:

TTTT

, Drone

gerryoat

(1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat

, Sesq

Impoetic (1)

:

TTTT

gerryoat

(1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Pagetop? Pagetop!

VC 2.12

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

gerryoat

(2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

No pagetop. =(

VC 2.13

Titus (2)

:

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

gerryoat

(2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Raskolnikov (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon,

gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.14

gerryoat

(3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, shannon

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

gerryoat,

Drone

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.15

shannon (4)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.16

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

gerryoat

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.17

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov,

drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Titus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

@mod

@mod would a follower detect BP activation by JOAT?

Thought I already answered this, whoops. In the case of Transcend's JOAT bulletproof, it was an activated bp rather than passive, and as such would be treated as a self targeting protective role.

VC 2.18

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.19

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (1)

: Impoetic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

VC 2.20 (FINAL)

Lil Uzi Vert

(6)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- LYNCH!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Flip incoming.

Spoiler: Day 3 Colored VCs

VC 3.00

NOT VOTING (9)

: Impoetic, Sesq, shannon, Raskolnikov, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus,

gerryoat, TTTT

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Sorry for late opening.

As the day runs through the holidays I'm probably going to be a little lax about activity. If everyone could PM me to let me know whether they'd like a deadline extension due to this that'd be great.

VC 3.01

shannon (1)

: Titus

Titus (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

NOT VOTING (7)

: Impoetic, Sesq, shannon, Raskolnikov, Drone,

gerryoat, TTTT

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.02

shannon (2)

: Titus, Drone

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

TTTT

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Sesq, Raskolnikov,

gerryoat

, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.03

shannon (2)

: Titus, Drone

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov,

gerryoat

, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.04

Impoetic (2)

: Titus, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

:

TTTT

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov,

gerryoat

, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.05

Impoetic (4)

: Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone,

TTTT

-- L-1!

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov,

gerryoat

, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.06

Impoetic (4)

: Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone,

TTTT

-- L-1!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

gerryoat

, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.07

Impoetic (3)

: Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- L-2!

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: Impoetic

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (3)

:

gerryoat

, shannon,

TTTT

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

VC 3.08

Impoetic (3)

: Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Drone (2)

: Sesq, ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Titus (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (2)

:

TTTT

, Impoetic

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Tomorrow I'll get back to sending out official prods for inactivity.

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.09

Impoetic (3)

: Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Drone (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Titus (1)

: shannon

gerryoat

(1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (2)

:

TTTT

, Impoetic

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.10

shadonra (4)

: Titus, Drone,

gerryoat, TTTT

-- L-1!

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov, shadonra

Drone (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Titus (1)

: shannon

gerryoat

(1)

: Sesq

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.11

shadonra (3)

: Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (2)

: shannon,

TTTT

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov, shadonra

Drone (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

gerryoat

(1)

: Sesq

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

Drone is V/LA til the 1st.

Sesq has been prodded.

VC 3.12

shadonra (3)

: Titus, Drone,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (3)

: shannon,

TTTT,

Sesq

-- L-2!

shannon (2)

: Raskolnikov, shadonra

Drone (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

Drone is V/LA til the 1st.

ssbm_Kyouko is V/LA til the 2nd.

VC 3.13

shadonra (2)

: Titus,

gerryoat

Titus (2)

:

TTTT

, Sesq

Drone (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Raskolnikov

shannon (1)

: shadonra

NOT VOTING (2)

: shannon, Drone

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

ssbm_Kyouko is V/LA til the 2nd.

VC 3.14

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus, shannon

-- L-2!

Drone (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Raskolnikov

Titus (2)

:

TTTT

, Sesq

gerryoat

(1)

: shadonra

shadonra (1)

:

gerryoat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.15

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus, shannon

-- L-2!

Titus (2)

:

TTTT

, Sesq

Drone (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

shannon (1)

: shadonra

TTTT

(1)

: Raskolnikov

shadonra (1)

:

gerryoat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

I'm in QLD, shannon, I just overslept q.q

VC 3.16

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus, shannon

-- L-2!

Titus (3)

:

TTTT

, Sesq, ssbm_Kyouko

-- L-2!

shannon (1)

: shadonra

TTTT

(1)

: Raskolnikov

shadonra (1)

:

gerryoat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.17

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (3)

:

TTTT

, Sesq, shannon

-- L-2!

shannon (1)

: shadonra

TTTT

(1)

: Raskolnikov

shadonra (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.18

gerryoat

(4)

:

TTTT

, ssbm_Kyouko, shadonra, Sesq

-- L-1!

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Titus (1)

: shannon

TTTT

(1)

: Raskolnikov

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

gerryoat is V/LA til the 7th.

VC 3.19 (FINAL)

gerryoat

(5)

:

TTTT

, ssbm_Kyouko, shadonra, Sesq, shannon

-- LYNCH!

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

: Drone, Titus,

gerryoat

-- L-2!

Drone (1)

: Raskolnikov

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

Flip incoming.

I mostly just colored D3 so that it would be easier to update the VCs tomorrow. Saw another thing that points to town!Sesq and also to town!shannon on D2. see VCs 2.03, 2.04, 2.05. Would scum start a new wagon when there were 3 town wagoning onto a 4th town? I think not.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We only lynch Drone after Titus is Titus flips scum but does not flip neighbor. If she flips mafia neighbor then Drone is clear

[ssbm_Kyouko]

but if she flips mafia neighbor drone may be NKed anyways because at that point he would be clear :/

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Point is Drone makes sense as a town neighbor if Titus is a mafia neighbor because Titus is the one who has claimed to have the PR and is feeding drone misinformation in their hood *if* the hood really exists

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shoulda townclaimed by naked hammering

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Drone

should

stay on Titus today regardless of his own alignment if the neighborhood is real

Town!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 4 town + Titus and I on LUV
-Logical course of action with 2 lynches left is to lynch Titus and I in succession - one of us is bound to be scum
scum!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 5 town and himself on LUV
-Logical course of action is to lynch townneighbor!Titus and I in succession because town neighbor flip makes him look better and me look worse, and we'll be the last 2 unconfirmed votes on LUV

This means if Drone unvotes Titus/Myself today they're both scum, because they're both scum if the neighborhood is *fake*. Since Drone is suggesting we lynch within Titus and myself today it means that Titus and Drone are not a team.

Titus, what do you think of this theory?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The problem tomorrow will be finding her partner, but at least we won't mislynch Drone if she flips mafia neighbor

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually it's not a really strong scum motivation either, because it's JK not doctor

What does this mean? Doctor can't doc on someone and proclaim them to be scum. JK can claim that the person they jailed was so unlikely to be targeted for a kill that they must be scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

JK can claim guilty though. No kill occuring means either:
scum opted to no kill and not put the game into LyLo
the jailed target was also targeted for a NK
the jailed target attempted to NK someone else

If the jailed target is so unlikely to be targeted for a NK (myself, because Titus and I are the most obvious wagons and if we both make it to LyLo scum has a good chance of winning), then the jailed target is very likely to be scum. Titus and I can't both be allowed into LyLo because of this. Titus and Drone can also not be allowed into LyLo because if they're both town then the last town left alive will be one that is suspicious of their neighborhood claim.

Titus+Drone cannot be allowed into LyLo
Titus+Kyouko cannot be allowed into LyLo

Only logical lynch today is Titus. town!Titus means scum!Drone because I know I'm town. Will be down to Drone and I in LyLo if Titus is town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus if you're town you should seriously consider which of Drone or I is scum before getting hammered for the benefit of the rest of the town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait why can't shad live until LyLo?

Think about this:
Nobody besides You and Drone know if the neighborhood is real. If you 2 make it to 5 way LyLo and you're both town, then there's no way that 3rd townie isn't going to be convinced to vote one or the other of you.
This is why Titus+Drone can't be allowed into LyLo.

Titus and I are so hellbent on SRing one another that if we're both town we will refuse to vote anyone besides each other, and scum will be able to lynch either of us
This is why Titus+Kyouko can't be allowed into LyLo.

Do you disagree with either of these statements? Do you think you would be able to resist voting me if shad flipped town today? Do you think I would resist voting you tomorrow considering how convinced I am you're lying about your claims? There's no way any of the 3 of us get NKed tonight if none of us get lynched. It would be a nightmare if we were all alive in LyLo and all town.

You have to die, so weigh the possibilities. I know you think shad is my partner. Who is Drone's partner, if he's scum? I know town!Titus is smart enough to come up with a good theory about his partner

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Shad is confirmed scum. My analysis and my results confirm it.

Also you didn't get a result, remember?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I find it unlikely that town would have a ub in a setup where scum has PRs that are useless to town (strongman). If anything a backup role would have been backup doctor in this setup I feel. UB makes sense with roleblocker maybe if there's no strongman, because strongman still kills through roleblocks.

If the last 2 maf are strongman and ascetic I don't see the purpose of the UB role. I feel like we should popcorn mass claim now to judge whether we think UB is reasonable here. Doctor and follower are already dead, Drone and Titus are both claimed already. Sesq, Rask, Shannon, shad, thoughts on claiming today? Or should we wait for MyLo/lylo?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Priority should be ensuring we don't end up in a losing LyLo situation. I've already explained the risks involved in leaving Titus/Drone, Titus/Kyouko, and Titus/Drone/Kyouko.

Shannon, popcorn means you call someone out to claim next then they claim and choose who goes next, etc. So call someone out to claim.

So shadonra, if town, is not Ascetic

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK sesq who's next

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus - UB Neighbor
Drone - Neighbor
Rask - VT
Shadonra - VT
Shannon - VT
Sesq - VT

I'm all thats left to claim and I'm also VT

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Strongman makes sense with the Gerry flip in Co text of the morning of D2. It also makes sense in a setup that has a doctor and a 1-shot jk and 1-shot BP on the JOAT combined with a full doctor.

What doesn't make sense is if there's a strongman to bypass so much of towns power, why would there also be an ascetic to bypass our limited investigative power (2-shot follower, 1-shot GS)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Only way shad and Titus are town is if drone and Rask are the team

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What I mean is, if you're town Titus, shad could easily be scum. But I don't think he really has partners as far as I've seen

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Only way shad and Titus are town is if drone and Rask are the team

Why?

Why couldn't I get a Shad wagon through if that is the team? It would make much more sense that they're protecting a partner.

SSM, I want an explanation for this, not an offhand comment about how Shad has no partners.

Not strange TTTT died. Scum tried to mislynch me yesterday and TTTT turned on Gerry immediately. No way would he vote me yesterday and after yesterday there's no way I'd have voted him. Sesq will probably die tonight, scum are setting up to go for me in LyLo, trying to avoid lynching within Titus/Drone/me today

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Accidental quote, will reply to that in a sec

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Only way shad and Titus are town is if drone and Rask are the team

Why?

Why couldn't I get a Shad wagon through if that is the team? It would make much more sense that they're protecting a partner.

SSM, I want an explanation for this, not an offhand comment about how Shad has no partners.

This is not an offhand comment about how shad has no partners. This is me saying that the only way both you and shadonra are town is if Drone and Rask are the team. Let me explain where my conclusion of Drone and Rask come from here:

I'm town (Role PM)
Titus is town (for the purpose of this hypothetical)
Shad is town (for the purpose of this hypothetical)
Sesq is town (VCA)

This leaves Drone, Shannon, and Rask.
Shannon is not teamed with either of these players if you look at the votes, or the rask tunnel on shannon, imo.

This leaves Drone and Rask as the team if Titus and Shad are both town.

For anyone considering lynching outside of [Titus, Drone, Kyouko], consider the following:

VC 2.20 (FINAL)

Lil Uzi Vert

(6)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

,

drealmerz7

, Titus, ssbm_Kyouko, Drone

-- LYNCH!

shannon (1)

: Raskolnikov

Drone (1)

: shannon

Titus (1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Flip incoming.

LUV was not lynched by 6 town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

All town wagons do happen, and this reeks of posturing after I get lynched to go after Shad.

I do think Shad is obvious scum, but last post is terrible grandstanding.

No, today's lynch is between Me, you, and Drone. If we hit town today, tomorrow's lynch is between the 2 that remain of those 3. How can you not see that this is the best chance for a town victory?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait why can't shad live until LyLo?

Think about this:
Nobody besides You and Drone know if the neighborhood is real. If you 2 make it to 5 way LyLo and you're both town, then there's no way that 3rd townie isn't going to be convinced to vote one or the other of you.
This is why Titus+Drone can't be allowed into LyLo.

Titus and I are so hellbent on SRing one another that if we're both town we will refuse to vote anyone besides each other, and scum will be able to lynch either of us
This is why Titus+Kyouko can't be allowed into LyLo.

Do you disagree with either of these statements? Do you think you would be able to resist voting me if shad flipped town today? Do you think I would resist voting you tomorrow considering how convinced I am you're lying about your claims? There's no way any of the 3 of us get NKed tonight if none of us get lynched. It would be a nightmare if we were all alive in LyLo and all town.

You have to die, so weigh the possibilities. I know you think shad is my partner. Who is Drone's partner, if he's scum? I know town!Titus is smart enough to come up with a good theory about his partner

This post should explain how you're in the equation drone. There's still a chance your hood is maf/town. I've explained us 3 being the votes before that post too I think.

@Titus - Both of my counter wagons came up because people were pushed to the limit of how much they would let their other TRs push me. Sesq flipped on you and TTTT flipped on Gerry.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus, where do you get the idea that I'm trying to lynch shad after you?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

P sure nobody will bus today. The only reason anyone outside of Me, Titus, Drone would get lynched today is one or both of the scum are inside this pool. Titus and Drone actually make sense as partners but I don't see who else makes sense with Titus. Maybe Rask. I could see Drone with Rask if shad is town, like I said, but Drone/shad might be possible. Nothing immediately jumps to my mind that tells me they can't be a team when I consider the possibility.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

See drone/Rask is only.a.thing if.shad and Titus are.both town. I don't think any teams completely outside of Titus/Drone/Kyouko make sense. At least 1 of us is scum and I know I'm town. We should all be trying to lynch each other if town but Titus is the only one avoiding that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Titus were to flip Mafia neighbor I feel like it would be hard to find the second scum because she makes so much sense with Drone, but if Titus is a maf neighbor it means Drone was being misled the whole time in his hood because a scum/scum hood in a game with daychat would be an asinine design by the mod.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah Impoetic didn't hard bus rb, unless you're thinking it's ironstove now (which makes sense with drone if shad is town). Remember sesq is town (consider reconsidering if Titus flips mafia neighbor) in case I get NKed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well, Shannon dying helps. Will color VCs once I get home, I'm at lunch at work atm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also kinda annoyed that Titus didn't explain she could only inherit town roles because that was one of the reasons I thought her claim was fake, was that she might inherit strongman

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Feeling drone/Rask for scum rn. I suggest we try to find both scum today while we have 3 town alive, then we can vote

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Context around when Drone L-1ed Titus in VC 2.08

Is this why you wanted me to not out our private talk?
The only possible claim Titus can make now is town Neighbour btw.
So no need to wait for their claim at all.

Titus is at L-1 do not hammer yet.

could see one of shannon or drone being last maf with lil uzi. not sure which

Aha.

agree gerry but titus first to sort the shit because I'm leaning shannon town LUV scum atm but not sure

drone saying to hammer without that claim is fucked though, but let's not let it distract

we're on course

agree gerry but titus first to sort the shit because I'm leaning shannon town LUV scum atm but not sure

drone saying to hammer without that claim is fucked though, but let's not let it distract

we're on course

What is so fucked about it?
I told you, there's only one possible claim Titus can make.
Anything else would just clarify she's scum.

that's for her to say is what is fucked

I am the universal backup. The mod did tell me the bulletproof was used. My role isn't inconsistent with a one shot tracker, just makes it highly improbable. I wanted to punt on setup spec until I could find a way to do it without outing my role. That's also why I had to sort Gerry and his knowledge.

Scum managed to rolefish me though. They wouldn't pile on though if Drone wasn't scum though.

So Drone/Uzi/one more.

I am the universal backup. The mod did tell me the bulletproof was used. My role isn't inconsistent with a one shot tracker, just makes it highly improbable. I wanted to punt on setup spec until I could find a way to do it without outing my role. That's also why I had to sort Gerry and his knowledge.

Scum managed to rolefish me though. They wouldn't pile on though if Drone wasn't scum though.

So Drone/Uzi/one more.

Are you countering Drone's Neighbor claim here?
it isn't real clear.
And why aren't you voting LUV if it's highly improbable your roles are compatible?
and what does this have to do with sorting Gerry?

No. I am Drone's Neighbor but intended to play that close to the vest.

Again, you misinterpret (I hope). Our roles are inconsistent, but not unlikely. I never got attacked until I fingered Drone, so Drone is more likely scum.

Gerry claimed the bulletproof was used. I wanted to see whether he believed a strongman existed due to play or knew a strongman was in play because he was scum.

DRONE GET THE FUCK BACK ON THE FUCKING RB LYNCH THIS FUCKING INSTANT DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND ME

No good reason.
We have him claimed, I rather believe his claim than yours for the sake of the matter.

this doesn't make sense at all - the rb BP claim STINKSLIKESHIT and while transcend's timing and way he goes about all that is awful, it was still obvi-town and didn't seem fake at all

ugh

I don't fucking know

titus

ever see yourself voting LUV?

You ever see yourself commenting substantively on Drone?

booomcha-deflection!!!

he's definitely scum if you're not

if you're not scum then drone is and LUV is not and well things will sort...

I mean, I was the last to speak in our neighbourhood, expressing surprise at rb's flip. You could engage me there at night, yet you chose not to.
What you did today is essentially casting shade on me and abusing my trust in you (I believed the rates for

1 scum in 2 neighbours

is very very low) to try and lynch me.

I really don't understand your line of thinking if you're town.

Bolded reads as a slip to me after seeing Titus flip. Anyone else read it that way or am I confbiasing extra hard here?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq,

gerryoat

, ironstove,

TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat

(1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

:

shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Unless rb was getting double bussed, Sesq and Rask should be able to eliminate Kyouko+Rask and Kyouko+Sesq, respectively

Also Drone do you have any kind of case or partner suspects? There are still 2 scum left

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

Hey guys look me in the eyes and tell me that Titus and I are both town

VC 2.08

Titus

(5)

: ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

,

shannon

, Drone

-- L-1!

Lil Uzi Vert

(2)

:

gerryoat, TTTT

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Titus

, ironstove, Sesq

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

TTTT is V/LA until the 12th.

Also I noticed yesterday you latched onto Titus after I posted that, you clearly intended to use it to try to mislynch me today. Prior to that you seemed disinterested in voting Titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

Hey guys look me in the eyes and tell me that Titus and I are both town

Lil Uzi Vert

(5)

:

TTTT, gerryoat

, ssbm_Kyouko,

drealmerz7,

Titus

-- L-1!

Hey guys look me in the eyes and tell me that Titus and I are both town

This VCA.
Is your first good VCA this game.

UNVOTE: Shadonra

We can lynch you both.
There's actually no way Uzi was a full town wagon.

Let us put are votes in between the two of you. Only.

I'll tell you what that "night action" means. It means if we don't lynch Titus today scum!Titus will not kill tonight and tomorrow will be MyLo, and then Titus will claim the person she "jailed" is scum

I'm aware of this.
I'm asking something different.

Fuck it.
VOTE: Titus

Don't hammer yet, please

Why?
Should be clear it either Titus or Kyouko.

Drone

should

stay on Titus today regardless of his own alignment if the neighborhood is real

Town!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 4 town + Titus and I on LUV
-Logical course of action with 2 lynches left is to lynch Titus and I in succession - one of us is bound to be scum
scum!Drone knows the final D2 wagon was 5 town and himself on LUV
-Logical course of action is to lynch townneighbor!Titus and I in succession because town neighbor flip makes him look better and me look worse, and we'll be the last 2 unconfirmed votes on LUV

This means if Drone unvotes Titus/Myself today they're both scum, because they're both scum if the neighborhood is *fake*. Since Drone is suggesting we lynch within Titus and myself today it means that Titus and Drone are not a team.

Titus, what do you think of this theory?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless RB was double bussed the team isn't sesq/Rask though. That's from my town pov. This is true from sesq and Rask's town PoVs as well. This means if one of us is town the other 2 can't be scum together, and if one of us is scum the other 2 still can't be scum together. This means ssbm/Rask, ssbm/sesq, and Sesq/Rask are all impossible teams UNLESS you assume RB got double bussed. Seems unlikely to me. We can all still be scum with other players but I can't be scum with drone and that's obvious imo. That leaves my only possible partner to be shad, and I can probably find votes that suggest that's unlikely (because I'm town so I don't have a partner)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Too soon to vote you, your partner is still up for discussion before that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So do you think it's shad/Kyouko?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Eww

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is why you don't vote in LyLo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh well. I'll keep it in mind but this doesn't happen when you actually think before you vote in lylo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Voting before everyone has posted is just terrible town play especially when there's daychat

[ssbm_Kyouko]

End of d4 (or whichever was the day before LyLo had me convinced Rask/drone was the team. I'd say this game taught me a bit about VCA but mostly that I tunnel hard as town