Open 666 - Pick Your Poison - Day 5

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*rawr*

Catching up.

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In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?

Wanting out of RVS is pro-town.

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Who said I want it to last long. I want it to be as natural as it can possibly be and I don't like how you're forcing us out of RVS.
RVS does tons of things, one being testing reactions. Like for example you're acting very fucking poorly to my attempt at an RQS, and you are reacting poorly when I hopped on your wagon.
RVS last usually from 2-3 pages till like 5 pages.

I'm developing a very fast scumread here.

Hi, Ali!

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wtf is Alisae actually trying to start up a wagon?
VOTE: Zyf

Wtf is this vote? Zyf is obvtown.

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I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....

Why is this, Zyf?

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I don't like how he attempted to shut down my attempt at a RQS.

lol RQS

This dude is transparently town.

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So...we can just lynch D3f3nd3r now yeah?

He avoided a scum lynch, then casts shade on my slot at the beginning of the day, so... I'm good with this right now.

I don't see why town would think scum would be more likely to be on a Scum Lynch than off it.

Will most likely wind up voting here.

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Can someone summarize the Super wagon for me?
Why is rb/Defender scum?

WTF Gamma, read the game.

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At first skim, I find the following people lynchable:

1. Gamma Emerald
5. Lil Uzi Vert
10. D3f3nd3r
11. Hawk

(If there was a bus vote on SH at all, it's Hawk)

VOTE: D3f3nd3r

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Grey why hawk?
Why Gamma?
And can I sheep your Defender vote? Your recent shit makes me want to.

Hawk explained in my post.
Gamma because he's not reading the game. That's not town!Gamma

If you do sheep me, mention the L-1.

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Also why do you find Desperado not lynchable?

I don't think he bussed.

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I'm going to try to read up on this in a little bit. Want to wrap up a Computer Science project.

Rock me Amadeus

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@Mod:

For the record, it's ideal to keep a log of who replaces who in the player list, not just the updated list.

I second this, especially when the entire player list is likely to be replaced multiple times.

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Vote Count

Not Voting (1):

Narna

Zyf (1):

Gamma Emerald

D3f3nd3r (1):

A Simple Plan

desperado (1):

Transcend

Superhans (7):

Hawk, Alisae, Gendaberry, Desperado, rb,

Zyf

,

Superhans

Gendaberry (2):

Falco XV, D3f3nd3r

Superhans will be lynched.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-14 00:00:00)

Here's the D1 lynch with replacements inserted.

I feel so ignored.

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I'm a person again!

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>the replacements make this game too confusing
>let me make it even more confusing for someone who wasn't here for the entire game and replace out too!

Who do you think is more likely to be frustrated to the point of replacing out in this situation, town or scum?

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How would they not have that towncred if someone else hammered?

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That was incredibly rude.

Regardless of your opinion of the mod's abilities, he's trying to provide a fun experience for a dozen people. You could at least respect the effort.

And, I disagree with you. Scum loves disarray, town hates a jumbled mess to sift through.

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What? I don't have any problem with James' modding...

I was obviously responding to 445, not my fault you interrupted in the few minutes it took me to post.

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I'm not particularly motivated to work with you, Transcend.

Think I'll keep my vote where it is.

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You're just mad your under the line.

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I got into a car accident yd and didn't have much time to ms.

Oh, I hope you didn't get hurt!

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Terrible.

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Terrible.

Hush little baby don't you cry

Transcend's gonna make the scum go bye bye

You're not at all concerned with the fact Defender is so eager to justify a vote on the player that built the wagon against him?

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Terrible.

(Assuming this is about my post) What's the alternative, saying "ok Grey isn't scum at all anymore"?

I wasn't aware that Desperado and I were the only other two players in the game.

MY BAD!

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Possibly went too hard too fast.

That's what

he

said.

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@__@

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A man of action.

Why him, NM?

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Well, that's certainly true.

Can't argue with that!

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VOTE: D3f3nd3r

Nice, not even mentioning that that was L-1.

Hey bro... you're L-1.

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UNVOTE:

Lol?

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This game is hilarious.

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Also, players replaced for inactivity may get their slot back by posting content, if they do this before anyone else takes the slot.

Content.

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VOTE: TTTT

For game prosperity.

VOTE: TTTT

This game could use some prosperity.

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Titus, for the love of all that is holy, please be town.

RC, why you shitposting so much? You have a spaghetti bowl of replacements to sift through to sort alignments.

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Hey Grey, why me in particular to be town, why should I vote TTT over Transcend?

Why do you need to ask that after Open661?

And my TTTT vote is a troll vote. I haven't been able to get a grip on anybody with all the replacing out that has happened.

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I don't reset my reads on replacements. I keep my reads on the old slots but let the new slots change those reads if necessary.

That's nice and all when someone is actually in the slot long enough to have a read formed on them.

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VOTE: Falco XV

For great justice.

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I like the use of the word jurispudence

You should learn to spell it, then.

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My only big conclusion in this clusterfuck is that the NM slot should not reach endgame.

VOTE: RC

Lol.

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I'm going to try to read up on this in a little bit. Want to wrap up a Computer Science project.

Rock me Amadeus

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It looks like you're VCA assumes town has just as much info on alignment as scum.

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How, exactly, do you determine the difference between scum and town with bad reads?

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So what does your analysis tell you about who the Scum is?

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Multiple Choice?



That you have me as a consideration tells me that your analysis is shit.

I was hoping you might have something more substantial to add.

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Nah.

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Vote Count

Not Voting (1):

ArcAngel9

Zyf (1):

Gamma Emerald

D3f3nd3r (1):

A Simple Plan

desperado (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

Superhans (7):

Hawk, Alisae, Gendaberry, Desperado, rb, Zyf, Superhans

Gendaberry (2):

Dwlee99, D3f3nd3r

Superhans will be lynched.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-14 00:00:00)

VOTE: Grey

Fight me young padawan.

Oh just curious. Why is that quote in your post?

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See, Gendaberry was on the Hans wagon so I'm not particularly feeling a productive 1v1 there.

Who else wants to Gladiate me?

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Vote Count

Not Voting (1):

ArcAngel9

Zyf (1):

Gamma Emerald

D3f3nd3r (1):

A Simple Plan

desperado (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

Superhans (7):

Hawk, Alisae, Gendaberry, Desperado, rb, Zyf, Superhans

Gendaberry (2):

Dwlee99, D3f3nd3r

Superhans will be lynched.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-14 00:00:00)

VOTE: Grey

Fight me young padawan.

Oh just curious. Why is that quote in your post?

I doubt the D1 wagon was all town.

Considering it was self-hammered and flipped scum, I think you're probably right.

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Grey and Not Mafia (now RC).

???????????

Ikr?

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I think Dwlee is probably scum.

VOTE: Titus

Error does not compute.

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Yeah, Titus vote was bad.

I'd rather look for mafia on the SuperHans wagon though.

Okay, that meshes with 741.

I was wondering why you weren't voting NM until I caught that post on a quick skim.

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I don't.

Personally, I think the Scum is off the wagon.

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Eenie
Meenie
Minie
Pikinie

VOTE: Narna

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UNVOTE:

Can I interest you in a Narna wagon?

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NM is on the Hans wagon tho.

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We have different theories.

You're moonlogicking.

That's the extent of what I have to say about you, so I don't see what's so incriminating about me ignoring you when you are the kind of person that digs in when you have a theory and doesn't attempt to work with others.

I'm just saving myself some grief.

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And your theory is scum didn't bus SuperHans?

In our games together, have you seen me be wrong and town?

Are you claiming omniscience as town, Titus?

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And your theory is scum didn't bus SuperHans?

In our games together, have you seen me be wrong and town?

Are you claiming omniscience as town, Titus?

Will you self vote if I say yes? :-p

I am asking you if I have ever been wrong. Implicitly, your answer is no. Yet, you jump to me moonlogicking. That is the type of thing that tends to resonate w others.

Assume whatever you want, but an evasion is by definition not an answer.

As a lawyer, you should know that.

You knowing that and attempting to manipulate my words to support your read doesn't seem legit.

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Daycop: LickedyQuickety

I got a result.

Sucm.

Oh look. Town!Titus being all omniscient.

Ok, now that we got some drama...time to out my result.

LQ is town.

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I threaten you?

That's strong language, Titus. Did I approach you with a shiv?

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P.S. you still never jystified why you thought Hans was not bussed but deflected.

Because bussing on day one is downright stupid.

Forgive me if I feel it's unnecessary to state the obvious.

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Titus, Realeo is almost confirmed scum, please comment on that

VOTE: Snowman

This is my problem with you. You have given almost no analysis throughout this game and are essentially actively lurking. If you think someone is almost confirmed scum, why didn't you place a vote on that person?

While I'm waiting for real's replacement, I want to hear more from you.

^^^ town

ThinkBig

was lynched. They were a

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

[/spoiler][/align]

Night 1 has fallen!

The sun will rise in (expired on 2016-12-22 00:40:00), or once all living players have PMed me their approval to end the night.

Clearly, you're never wrong.

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Again, you're discrediting rather than discussing that Hans doesn't bus unless scum are on his wagon.

Your response, rather than defending your assertion to hunt off the wagon is to dredge up games where I was wrong hyper early. I corrected that read later as you know.

But you were still wrong later!

I think toejam is good 4 scum.

I think nn30 would be the last

Gamma nn30 looks good to me as the scumteam.

If you're going to claim omniscience, you can't call foul when it's proven wrong.

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VOTE: Titus

Dude, you got replaced.

Not according to the VC.

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Still me being flawed is not a justification for your position that Hans was not bussed.

Bussing on day one being extremely suboptimal is plenty of justification.

There was scum on his wagon, alright. The hammer vote.

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Mod, can you reorganize the first post with a section of living and dead? Trying to parse that has been difficult for me.

Scroll to the bottom of it.

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Scum also do not hammer themselves if the wagon is all town.

That's again, just saying what you'd do.

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If I am believed, town wins.

If you are wrong, you are giving scum a line of mislynches into victory.

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Throw out all the buzzwords you want, it won't change the fact that we simply have different theories about where the last scum is.

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Whatever.

I highly recommend Titus and NM for the next 2 lynches. Everyone else is at the very least null but both of them are blowing my scumdar.

Do you really think the last scum is on the wagon?

Bussing on d1 doesn't make sense to me when it's the day of all days that scum can get the wagon on them derailed.

My theory had support in early days, which is why I've been holding onto it, and Transcend flipping red further supported it.

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RC can you stop spamming Annie and your own ego to realize that it's Grey. We got two lynches before lylo and Grey is just going to peddle his scum ass to victory.

I'm not Scum.

You're not Scum.

Narna is probscum.

Come to the Narna side.

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RC can you stop spamming Annie and your own ego to realize that it's Grey. We got two lynches before lylo and Grey is just going to peddle his scum ass to victory.

I'm not Scum.

You're not Scum.

Narna is probscum.

Come to the Narna side.

No. My VCA clears Narna.

That's alright.

It's flawed.

Nobody is perfect.

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RC can you stop spamming Annie and your own ego to realize that it's Grey. We got two lynches before lylo and Grey is just going to peddle his scum ass to victory.

I'm not Scum.

You're not Scum.

Narna is probscum.

Come to the Narna side.

No. My VCA clears Narna.

That's alright.

It's flawed.

Nobody is perfect.

It's not. My pool is absolute. You or NM.

And what happens when we both flip town?

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The universe implodes. Time resets. We lynch you. You flip red.

Sorry pookie, I'm town.

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Titus >= Grey > Not_Mafia > Narna >= RadiantCowbells

How you gonna jump down past me and NM to suspecting Narna?

Not that I object, mind you... it just doesn't look genuine.

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I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

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I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

Why are you pushing someone if you believe your vote history doesn't indicate they are scum?

Because

his

actions aren't founded on

my

beliefs.

His

actions should be consistent with

his

beliefs.

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and my actions, or lack thereof aren't?

I was confused about what you were asking, until I read Titus' post.

I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

Why are you pushing someone if you believe your vote history doesn't indicate they are scum?

Stop trying to twist my words. That post is disingenuous as fuck.

I've pushed my theory that scum was off the Superhans wagon since long before you were even in this game.

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reread*

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Titus, of you could stop lying about me, that would be awesome.

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His response as been to cry misrep and to fling mud than explain why he thinks scum weren't bussing.

This is a blatant lie, as I've stated numerous times scum bussing on d1 would be fucking stupid when that's the best opportunity to have their wagon derailed.

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Hi, one sec.

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Oh yeah.

Welcome, Joey.

I am town. Titus and you are most likely town.

Scum is either Narna or RC. Leaning Narna.

Carry on.

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Hi, i am town

There's a cat in your avatar.

I just thought you should know that.

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grey y u no comment on my slot

Because you're Dwlee.

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Okay, maybe my theory

is

wrong.

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I just got nothing on this game.

Idk.

Weren't you wanting to stay alive so you could actually play the game out?

So... play the game out. Stop phoning it in.

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I mean I tentatively townread-ish most of the other slots.

Grey, I would expect more... blowback from you about Titus scumreading you?

It's Titus.

What exactly do you think that would accomplish?

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Do you disagree with my townpool as it stands?

Since it consists of two players that were not on the Hans wagon, yeah.

Your lack of engagement after making noise about wanting to stay alive to play the game through doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies.

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What is there to engage her over? Her case consists of "you were on the Hans wagon."

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Still me being flawed is not a justification for your position that Hans was not bussed.

Bussing on day one being extremely suboptimal is plenty of justification.

There was scum on his wagon, alright. The hammer vote.

That's again, just saying what you'd do. A scum flipping D1 means scum are extremely ineffective or bussing.

Given the PR deaths, we can eliminate ineffective. So scum bussed.

Scum also do not hammer themselves if the wagon is all town.

Shit like this right here is why trying to interact with Titus is akin to bashing your head against a brick wall.

Two scum were lynched in three days, but she says "we can eliminate ineffective" and expects that to actually make sense.

Scum are so effective that they're dropping left and right. Yep. Sure. Give me some more kool-aid, please.

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Still me being flawed is not a justification for your position that Hans was not bussed.

Bussing on day one being extremely suboptimal is plenty of justification.

There was scum on his wagon, alright. The hammer vote.

That's again, just saying what you'd do. A scum flipping D1 means scum are extremely ineffective or bussing.

Given the PR deaths, we can eliminate ineffective. So scum bussed.

Scum also do not hammer themselves if the wagon is all town.

So tell us, Titus, how effective scum are when there has only been one mislynch thus far.

Tell us why scum that are so bad as to be caught d1 would play optimally in regards to when they should or should not self-hammer.

Tell us why you accuse me of projecting, then proceed to project all over the place to justify your theory.

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*groan*

It's how I talk.

You're welcome to rephrase of you think it'd be more productive.

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Also, I don't see how the first two items so what you are saying at all.

The one she kind of deserves for being a hypocrite.

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Stop being abrasive

Do you know what telling an abrasive person to stop being abrasive accomplishes?

It's like telling a dog to stop being a dog. An exercise in futility.

Besides, I'm Mr. Rogers compared to some of the people on this site.

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Yeah I reread again and I'm still just like fuck dude Alisae/NM slot needs dead *shrug*

With all respect, alisea's is probably one of the easiest player to read on site and her play was extremely towny, her votes were, the interactions were etc everything point out to that slot being obv town

You think he's so easy to read, but you can't even get his pronoun right.

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okay so you can read my analysis?

By the by, the answer to this was "hell no", but I didn't feel like having you try to explain it to me.

Just looking at it makes my head hurt.

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Yeah, see... that just made it worse.

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huh

No disrespect intended.

I just don't speak... whatever language that is. If you get results with it, you do you and don't let nobody hate on ya.

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My give a shit is busted.

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Just go ahead and lynch me now.

I'd rather be the mislynch now than be left alive and mislynched in MyLo.

I don't have reads I'm particularly invested in anyway, so there's no loss. We can afford the mislynch.

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I'm a liability to town as long as Titus stays locked her deathtunnel, so it's better for town to just get me out of the way now because scum will never NK either one of us.

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Pretty sure she's town?

Just because she's wrong about my alignment doesn't make her scum.

PEdit: Sure it is. The sticker her reads, the more town she is. Scum!Titus evolves her reads to the narrative of the thread.

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Actually, she DID try to lynch Masons that she was "scumreading" after they claimed in one of her recent scum games, so I'm probably wrong there...

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Pretty sure she's town?

Just because she's wrong about my alignment doesn't make her scum.

PEdit: Sure it is. The sticker her reads, the more town she is. Scum!Titus evolves her reads to the narrative of the thread.

Arent you confident enough that you can win in 3 way if you're alive ?

Not if she is too. I'd be the defacto lynch in 3-way LyLo if she's still in the game.

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Oh. Well shit. Hi then!

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Eh, maybe.

I should probably pull my head out of my ass and try to make some sense of this game, I suppose. I've been apathetic as hell because of the turnover rate making it impossible to get a handle on the game. I had pretty much given up on trying because wtf was the point, right?

I'll give the game another read when I have some more time later on today or tomorrow and see what kind of sense I can make of this mess.

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Just go ahead and lynch me now.

I'd rather be the mislynch now than be left alive and mislynched in MyLo.

I don't have reads I'm particularly invested in anyway, so there's no loss. We can afford the mislynch.

What the fork is this?

If you don't have reads you're invested in, why not try to convince me Not Mafia is scum?

Why would scum pull me back into the game when I'm at the point of writing it off? I don't see scum motivation in him shaking sense into me when he could have just used my apathy as an easy justification to vote me.

If I'm pocketed... right this second... so be it. It's just a temporary impression. I'll be getting a better feel for people tonight now that I'm finally back home and able to kick back.

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Oh hey.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69882

Another game where I was lynched.

But to be fair, I was only lynched because of tracker results (and my bad call on performing the NK instead of letting my partner do the deed).

The WIFOM storm was a blast. It's fun being confirmed scum, lol.

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It's not ongoing. It's impossible to affect the game.

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... wow.

Joey, you can't just offend someone with a sexual epithet and then say them taking offense is scummy.

That's beyond the scope of the game entirely.

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No. There are certain things that exceed the game for the sake of civility.

V/LA being NAI is one.
Taking statement of offense at face value is another.

You need to realize that what you said stopped being about the game when you crossed that line, and take responsibility for it.

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Also you never came off as someone backing off from a fos because they were offended by your words

I never said you should back of on your FoS, but there's nothing wrong with owning a mistake.

Also, you're flat wrong.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8713368

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You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

You are not the arbiter of what gives the other person offense.

Different people have different thresholds. Crossing them is wrong regardless of alignment.

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Dont you have any comments to make that is actually about the game and the content ? Because what you have been doing looks outrageously as coasting

Then fucking lynch me.

I. Don't. Care. Anymore.

Or have I not made that clear to you?

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You were mafia its inadmissible and what i said was obviously not a personnal attack

You are not the arbiter of what gives the other person offense.

Different people have different thresholds. Crossing them is wrong regardless of alignment.

You offended me, please refrain in the future or ill report you. You are now responsible that i took offense, im asking you to excuse yourself for the personnal attack

Well since you're so right and offending people doesn't matter, I don't give a fuck.

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RC, do you think scum is going to unnecessarily put themselves in the crosshairs when everything is rolling smoothly along for them?

I don't see why Joey would do this as scum.

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If you dont care why dont you replace out ? You are implying you arent playing to win

Because unlike some people, I consider others.

It would be cruel to ask anyone else to replace into this game.

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Fine. You win.

@mod: Please replace me.

May God have mercy on their soul.

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VOTE: Narna

Sigh.

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What? Why?

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I was looking through Titus' games because of your claim that she doesn't tunnel as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68714

Mini Normal 1841, she was tunneled on SS for the longest.

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I still think scum was more likely to be off of Hans' wagon, and at the very least one of them was.

Whoa.

Timeout.

UNVOTE:

I don't see scum saying this if the entire scumteam is off the wagon.

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To respond to the points about the SH wagon by Transcend: I think he was scum frustrated by being voted by his buddies

This is a possible scum post.

Punish everybody that lynched scum. Pick up some easy mislynches as damage control for losing scum d1.

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519 - Flipped scum tying themselves to me.

What scum ties themselves to their buddy on d2 when they lost a buddy d1??

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To respond to the points about the SH wagon by Transcend: I think he was scum frustrated by being voted by his buddies

This is also a decent point

I'm not gonna bank the game on there being a bus (cough cough creature cough)

But I'm happy with entertaining the theories especially since desperado is a bit too reachy for my tastes.

Transcend also supporting Gamma's efforts to easy mode a chain of lynches.

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No.

Narna is very unlikely to be scum due to 566.

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Way to twist my posts, RC.

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So I'm scum since I won't let you campaign for a quick lynch in MyLo.

Gotcha.

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'campaign for a quick lynch = making sure that Titus isn't actually scum because I'm not going to seriously consider the prospect of her being scum while I try to figure this game out'

right.

Need I remind you of Newbie 1769?

Hammer tests are fucking stupid. You of all people should know that.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69882

Everybody alive in that game would never vote you, either.

Didn't mean you weren't scum.

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No, but I am still not going to support a hammer test after seeing first hand how fucking stupid it is.

[-Grey-]

Town lost because you were conftown scum that never would have been voted.

Which is what made it stupid to hammer test you.

[-Grey-]

If they had not done the hammer test and instead actually used their time, they just might have broken the dipole.

[-Grey-]

schadd_ was still a wildcard on reading you.

He admitted that he was tempted to trap you with the hammer test.

[-Grey-]

We'll never know because they refused to use the time they had.

That's... kinda my whole point.

[-Grey-]

Wasn't much of a test.

[-Grey-]

I'd have thought RC was going to die last night personally.

[-Grey-]

Eh, I think I'm just being paranoid, tbh.

[-Grey-]

I'm here too, Titus.

Say words at me.

[-Grey-]

I think you waited a little long to ask that question.

Or is it your intent to simply cast shade over something I can't address?

[-Grey-]

Cool.

Carry on.

[-Grey-]

Damn it. He got me there.

[-Grey-]

So?

I have no control over what another player does. It doesn't affect my role pm.

[-Grey-]

Since we want to look at Transcend's play...

Let's pause for a second-

Hans self hammered. Do you think he's gonna self hammer with 6 town on his lynch?

I think it's possible, but he cut discussion really short so this leads me to think there was at least one busser and he self hammered quickly to give them town cred.

Titus, does this sound familiar?

Oh wait, just thought of something else too.

[-Grey-]

I'd be willing to bet my life that rb/-Grey- is town

Grey
Transcend

------------------------------ <---Line of Lynchability
Hawk
Alisae

Simple Plan
Genda
Gamma

Desperado
Narna

Falco
Defender

Ftfy

Da reads:

Town: -Grey-, Gendaberry, ASP
Lean Town: Gamma, Alisae(?)
Null: TTTT, Falco
Null scum: Defender, Narna
Scum: Desperado

Is your mind blown?

I know mine is.

(Btw desperado was null until his most recent posts).

Lol aite then

You can just sit back and let me baby you while i roast the scum.

Terrible.

Hush little baby don't you cry

Transcend's gonna make the scum go bye bye

(Response to me calling the Desperado wagon terrible.

Nah that was me saying lynch everyone but me and grey lol.

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

I still think this is a solid vote with solid genuine reasoning. It's my favorite vote out of the 4. So yeah, imo Grey is still town.


Right now I'd say only one busser, two feels unconventional as fuck and i had Falco/Narna in my "ew" pool from yesterday.

I'd say the likelihood of scum in hans' wagon is

TTTT > Genda > NM > > > Grey

I'd like Genda to explain a bit more why he voted Super, but as said before, I liked his exchanges with Desperado

TL;DR I'm making 10 posts to omgus

Weeeeeee

VOTE: TTTT

I know you weren't here yet, but NM made a humorous observational remark about the status of our friends stuck in limbo.

He's town.

VOTE: Grey it's back (I think?)

This was not a good vote

@Titus: You read up a bit on Transcend, yes? Does he attach himself like superglue to his scum buddies?

You and RC know enough about me to know that I'm scum's wet dream in LyLo because I'm an easy mislynch and my read are crap. Especially in games where I'm not invested, like this one has been.

I've been attached to Narna for days. She wasn't interested in casing me until today. LyLo. Know what she said about me before today?

I think Grey and Dwlee are more likely to be town than the rest.

Saving me for LyLo.

Today?

The meds also have me weary about Grey's read progression on me.

He votes similarly to me one day, and then pushes for my lynch for a bad voting record (iirc). He comes into this phase townreading me for a post that was a mere guess/gut feeling on my part. I think this might be because I was townreading him despite his attempt at lynching me.

Nothing changed at all about my read between those posts.

Dwlee was killed because he wanted Narna lynched and wouldn't vote me.

VOTE: Narna

[-Grey-]

Since we want to look at Transcend's play...

Let's pause for a second-

Hans self hammered. Do you think he's gonna self hammer with 6 town on his lynch?

I think it's possible, but he cut discussion really short so this leads me to think there was at least one busser and he self hammered quickly to give them town cred.

Titus, does this sound familiar?

Oh wait, just thought of something else too.

Wifom.

I want to meta compare for relational tells.

I wasn't insinuating you were scum, just pointing out how easy it is to twist posts from scum.

[-Grey-]

If I was scum, I'd have killed Titus.

Dwlee and cow were both looking at Narna, and I damned sure wouldn't kill someone townreading me over deathtunnel Titus.

[-Grey-]

Lol which is it, Narna?

Titus or me?

We're waiting.

[-Grey-]

I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

Why are you pushing someone if you believe your vote history doesn't indicate they are scum?

@Titus

When I originally responded to this in 886, I misread the intent of your question.

I wasn't pushing Dwlee per se, I was trying to understand the thought processes behind his VCA because his read wasn't matching up with his stated VCA results as far as I could tell.

Then I just gave up and basically said do your thing.

[-Grey-]

@ Titus

huh

No disrespect intended.

I just don't speak... whatever language that is. If you get results with it, you do you and don't let nobody hate on ya.

[-Grey-]

I'm working on it hombre. Show me a game where you are scum's "lylo wet dream" since I find that hard to believe.

Do your own fucking homework.

I'm not wasting my time trying to convince scum I'm town.

[-Grey-]

Stop pretending to reconsider anything and just get your survival vote on me.

The only reason you're shifting to me is because I'm here posting. If Titus was here, you'd be shading the fuck out of her.

[-Grey-]

where were my actions inconsistent with my beliefs there? And why would you know the later anyway?

It about you, you narcissistic prick.

It was about Lee.

[-Grey-]

where were my actions inconsistent with my beliefs there? And why would you know the later anyway?

It wasn't about you, you narcissistic prick.

It was about Lee.

[-Grey-]

I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

Why are you pushing someone if you believe your vote history doesn't indicate they are scum?

Because

his

actions

(DWLEE'S reads)

aren't founded on

my

beliefs .

His

actions

(DWLee's reads

) should be consistent with

his

beliefs

(VCA)

.

That post was an extension of:

I haven't seen her post, how the hell am I supposed to read her?

VCA and reads need to be taken into account.

Well yeah, but assuming you believe your VCA is useful, I'd expect you to have Narna low on your list of suspects, not expecting them to be a viable lynch candidate.

NOW TWIST THAT, YOU FUCKING SCUM

[-Grey-]

also lmao at thinking scumreading Dwlee at that point makes things any better.

I wasn't pushing Dwlee per se

, I was trying to understand the thought processes behind his VCA because his read wasn't matching up with his stated VCA results as far as I could tell.

Then I just gave up and basically said do your thing.

Like I would just tell a scumread to go ahead and do his thing...

TRY HARDER SCUM

[-Grey-]

You were trying to lead a wagon on me

Precisely. Because my Read. Never. Changed

[-Grey-]

Huh.

UNVOTE:

That still makes sense, too.

Fuck it, idk.

I get it if you think that makes me scum. I haven't been all here since I agreed to sub back in. It was too avoid having the slot modkilled.

I get it if you want to scumread me over that.

[-Grey-]

For the record: I delayed this game because I was uncertain of your alignment in 1770.
I have had the impression that you were differing alignments in both of these games for a while and so I am pretty sure I want to vote Grey.

And why is that?

[-Grey-]

For the record: I delayed this game because I was uncertain of your alignment in 1770.
I have had the impression that you were differing alignments in both of these games for a while and so I am pretty sure I want to vote Grey.

And why is that?

[-Grey-]

RC, every fucking game we are in together, you come gunning for me as soon as the game comes anywhere near LyLo.

The shit is getting old.

I want reasons. Now.

[-Grey-]

Tone, playstyle, different approach to me, the replace out felt weird and you replace out more as scum, lack of impetus to scumhunt in this one, lack of you coming up with batshit insane hard reads off of nothing, etc.

Literally all of that is attributed to the atmosphere of the game itself.

You weren't around at the beginning of this game, so I don't expect you to be able to identify with what I'm saying here, but the 24 hour prod timer took a heavy toll on EVERYBODY.

Mass replacements and mod coercion made everything impossible to read and bred apathy like a motherfucker.

I replaced out? No shit. Joey was an unapologetic assclown and I had to leave or I'd have wound up saying something I'd get banned over.

[-Grey-]

If it's not you it's Narna. Why don't you sell me on a Narna lynch?

I can't sell what I can't wrap my head around, myself.

[-Grey-]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69833 - scapegoated me because of your paranoia; town lost

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69882 - damned near lynched me again, which would have put the game into MyLo. I really don't think you'd have lived to lynch nydus the next day because you made it clear he was next. Nobody else would have shoved him through.

I'm getting tired of being your whipping boy and it's getting to the point where I don't even want to play in games you're in anymore.

[-Grey-]

Transcend legit played against his wincon unless one of you two were bussing. Joey made Grey seem kind of town.

How does Joey make me seen kind of town?

[-Grey-]

seem*

[-Grey-]

lack of you coming up with batshit insane hard reads off of nothing

Titus might disagree with you on that one, FTR.

[-Grey-]

Come on you have played scum with me before and you said that I was town because I did something that might have soft derailed a scum lynch. That's a batshit insane hard read off of nothing.

No. We were both town.

I just linked the damned game where that happened... Wtf?

[-Grey-]

You don't consider my complete lack of interest in considering Titus as scum because she was on the Hans wagon a batshit insane hard read off of nothing?

Pretty sure she did.

[-Grey-]

Perfectly viable to write someone of as town based on something that was done before they even joined the game and with no regard for their own original content.

Sure champ. Okay.

I think you're confbiased or tunneled.

[-Grey-]

So you're willing to throw the game over a single post that was made during a part of the game that you can't even begin to relate to?

[-Grey-]

-_-

Unvote.

[-Grey-]

Look, you nailed nydus when I was sold on Tier scum... so I gotta ask... why Titus, and how certain?

Because I ain't feeling it. But yes I do remember.

[-Grey-]

Fucking Cow.

You're pulling a me.

Never realized how annoying that shit is before.

[-Grey-]

Still, YOU GAVE A CASE when I asked about nydus.

So I'm spoiled now!

[-Grey-]

Well, at least she has something to respond to when she sees your vote now.

[-Grey-]

I am kind of curious about her lack of presence.

It doesn't seem very Titusy, but r/l might account for that? Idk.

[-Grey-]

Hasn't she been engaging with you when she comes into the thread, though?

[-Grey-]

Okay. My fault.

I define responding to someone as engaging with them.

Apparently your use of the term is more in depth.

[-Grey-]

God, I don't remember the first thing about that game.

I was just starting to get into it when Aero derped the role pm.

[-Grey-]

^fair question

I figured RC's vote was a reaction test. Why do you jump to scumreading him?

[-Grey-]

Your play changed the moment I said if you have a confirmed town read, the play is to no lynch.

How does that make sense, though?

If he's town, and he's certain he has one other townread pegged, the likely result of a No Lynch is that either he or his townread dies, from his perspective.

His reasoning, I can understand. Yours, I can't.

[-Grey-]

If RC stays pissed at me, then no matter what happens, we go to night with a no lynch that's a victory to me.

How is it a victory to you if you die and he goes on to mislynch in LyLo if town?

Have you considered that possibility?

You obviously don't trust him to vote correctly, so what makes you think scum would be lynched tomorrow if you were killed tonight?

[-Grey-]

Titus, here's the way I see LyLo playing out:

RC/Titus/Grey = Grey lynch (RC shoots Narna and appeals to you to lynch me)

Titus/Grey/Narna = Grey lynch (Narna shoots RC for his hesitation to lynch me)

RC/Titus/Narna = Narna lynch (idk why I'd be shot when I'm the perfect Patsy, but you and RC will most likely form a voting block)

Narna/Grey/RC = Narna lynch (don't see scum!RC shooting you)

In none of those scenarios do I see RC getting lynched.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Narna

PoE. Titus and RC are both hard town for me.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Narna

PoE. Titus and RC are both hard town for me.

That's cold dude. I thought we could be lylo lynchbait together. I still think it's one of RC and Titus for now, and moving into lylo the pocketed one will off Grey or I for a loss.

Which, Narna? And why?

[-Grey-]

Like, I can maybe possibly be sold on one of them flipping scum, but not the other.

[-Grey-]

And I'm scum trying to push a lynch on you jesus christ I had the game won if I was scum even if I just wanted the satisfaction of lynching you I would have nightkilled Narna and then feigned confusion over why I was still alive then came to the conclusion that Grey would never have made that nightkill and voted you and Grey would have lapped it the fuck up.

I don't know if Lee would have bought it.

[-Grey-]

UNVOTE:

Ugh.

My Titus townread is shaken.

It was a little, earlier, but I was trying to attribute it to paranoia and didn't want to dig into it too much.

[-Grey-]

I think everybody should state their scumread in a hypothetical 3-way LyLo that doesn't include them, and no lynch.

Then we have the read of a confirmed town to help us in LyLo.

[-Grey-]

RC/Titus/Narna = RC (but sticking with Narna as most likely Lynch)

Titus and Narna would leave me alive for the mislynch. RC has told me in the past that he enjoys a challenge when I suggested a strategy that could have led to an easier win.

[-Grey-]

I relish the challenge.

[-Grey-]

I'm town dude. And my ideal challenge would be to pocket Titus, not lynch her.

I totally believe you!

And I also totally believe I'm the sacrificial lamb for tomorrow.

The only thing that could shake my townread of you would be scum killing the easiest possible Lynch.

[-Grey-]

And my ideal challenge would be to pocket Titus, not lynch her.

but sticking with Narna as most likely Lynch

[-Grey-]

I think she was referring to me when she said RC was townreading scum for no reason today

Considering she's been death tunneling me all game, why do you assume that?

[-Grey-]

Fair point.

Wrong. But fair.

[-Grey-]

I'm also struggling to justify the "scum isn't incompetent" bit naturally coming from town when scum blatantly brought their lynches upon themselves (Superhans had a bad game).

That has been bugging me for a LONG time tbh.

[-Grey-]

And I'm the Queen of England

VOTE: Transcend

You will find a similar posts in all of my games. I do not take being accused of lying lightly.

This makes it very hard for me to see Titus as scum.

IME, Titus is always on a counterwagon, saying how town her buddy is.