Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[drealmerz7]

no no claiming!!!

"here scum have a bunch of info to work with!"

VOTE: creature

this is not an RVS vote ^ - even just considering the idea outloud is a bad idea because in a group this large it is very possible someone will not be thinking or knowing why what they share could be bad and be like "oh yeah I got a queen active atm" or some shit and NO ! no talking about cards or abilities at all

do the things

find the scums

lynch the scums

[drealmerz7]

This game isn't what I expected it to be...

what'd you expect?

[drealmerz7]

woah creature is so scummy :|

let's not think about it?! YOU put it in our minds!

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz, be in thread mason with me? We'll call our masonry the moon landing.

ooof, I don't even know how to approach this comment almost! - buddying, talking of impossibilities (masonry between us impossible, unless we both copped each other) that can come off as "joking" because they're impossible, yet, still presenting the "heyyy, let's be town together!" mentality - post comes off scummy, I must say (I make so many friends calling everyone scummy!)

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: dreal

Help me.lynch dreal then

*dukes up* Let's go, alien scum!

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz, be in thread mason with me? We'll call our masonry the moon landing.

ooof, I don't even know how to approach this comment almost! - buddying, talking of impossibilities (masonry between us impossible, unless we both copped each other) that can come off as "joking" because they're impossible, yet, still presenting the "heyyy, let's be town together!" mentality - post comes off scummy, I must say (I make so many friends calling everyone scummy!)

Hi. Like I care what it comes off. In thread masons are cool. It just means I townread you really hard. Actual masons is impossible. (Although I would have claimed that if it was.)

never heard the term so it seemed weird - I get put-off when I feel like someone is trying to give me a TR unwarranted

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 119,
drealmerz have you played with creature before?[/quote]
I don't think creature and I have never played a completed game together before

[drealmerz7]

I recognize fellow moonwalkers. I also recognize cw to scum.

cw to scum?

[drealmerz7]

I don't think creature and I have never played a completed game together before

He's basically always like this... and I actually think he's towntelling pretty hard.

As town he speaks whatever is on his mind and tries to brute force the setup or game. That's what his massclaim idea and paranoia about hated feels like - Spyrex basically articulated it, he's just looking at the list of cards and trying to figure out what scum may have picked.

Titus, I'm not really seeing drealmerz town, can you explain it a bit?

thanks for that, the perspective definitely helps

you can understand my aversion to his approach though, yes? I generally don't like to vote very early in a game, people giving such confidence in their reads so fast and feeling comfortable enough to make a vote takes more time for me, usually - here I got immediate scumpings and at the least, voted to express how seriously I take the issue of ability/role spec

[drealmerz7]

take on a new perspective

it's not casting shade

it's considering possibilities

[drealmerz7]

Not really? If you mean approach to the game in general, the thinking-aloud thing and trying to brute force through the game is something I do too. If you mean the massclaim idea, then yes I agree that that's a bad idea but Creature never really pushed for it, he just thought about it in the open.

1.) I too like thinking aloud (it gets me in trouble all of the time) and talking about all contingencies (I love setup talk) - but only so far - no roles or abilities, at all - balance, mechanics, excellent

2.) he didn't push for it, that's not what I find scummy (obviously because it's not there) - my aversion and SR comes from even suggesting the idea BECAUSE it could be a kind of a passive way to see if scum can get ANY information - someone who doesn't know better, someone who is excited that their queen is in play, even just 1 tiny thing, it could give the slightest bit of information up to scum, seemingly innocently enough, but it is something. "oh I wasn't ability-fishing I was just asking what ppl thought about mass-claiming, I didn't mean to cause 3 ppl to tell me 9 cards"

it's not like I'm reading it HARD that way, not even close, but it is on my radar as definitely possible - and not meaning to keep on about it either, I'm ready to move on, was just clarifying for you

[drealmerz7]

I had a feeling during signups that vifam might be a problem, otherwise I'd be sring them harder than I am right now

[drealmerz7]

just how many, not which

I am okay with that

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Dunnstral
you talk too much

[drealmerz7]

STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITIES MAKING IT CLEAR WHAT YOU DIDN'T PICK OMG

[drealmerz7]

wtf do ppl have such trouble with my name all of the time?

it's 2 syllables - dreal & merz - with a 7 if you want to swing the z into the ssseven

drealmerz7

yeah I'm missing 1 card

[drealmerz7]

@Giga: I just don't buy why he didn't try. I guess it's more anti-alignment if anything but it still pings me.

Scum are at a disadvantage when it comes to role-madness (at least I think), so I'd agree that it's just anti-alignment but far more likely town imo.

We're at 1:4 standard but with the +3 makes it a town-lean game (by numbers which are normally then balanced by roles of course - but this is madness so the balance didn't happen in conjunction with the # decision by the mod)

I can't help but keeping thinking that scum are at a decent disadvantage in this game and am trying to reconcile the balance of it - help appreciated. The best I can come up with is it will be harder to find them because they are fewer, but, that's not really reassuring to me. "great, we get to make more demoralizing mis-lynches!"

[drealmerz7]

if people with allergies claim

can you hold my hand and tell me WTF anyone would claim to have an allergy?

[drealmerz7]

DECK x 42 - DISCARD PILE x 0

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 277
can you hold my hand and tell me WTF anyone would claim to have an allergy?[/quote]

idk so a fruit vendor doesn't accidentally kill them?
[/quote]
*looks at you a little cock-eyed*

[drealmerz7]

if people with allergies claim

can you hold my hand and tell me WTF anyone would claim to have an allergy?

idk so a fruit vendor doesn't accidentally kill them?

*looks at you a little cock-eyed*

[drealmerz7]

Basically, if you fuck with an investigation, claim.

interesting

I think it depends case by case basis and should be by player-discretion what is best for the team

GENERALLY, miller claims are PL on my HS.

[drealmerz7]

it is when people speak 13 pages

23 player game, going to have a lot of content generate fast

[drealmerz7]

woah, I agree with gerry on something

RVS sucks!

[drealmerz7]

still deciding how i feel about uzi in all honesty but he's not a bad vote

waiting until everyone has checked in and read a good amount but I agree, not looking like a bad place to push more
until more have said more

UNVOTE: Creature

[drealmerz7]

that's 2 separate lines - here's a better edit

EBWOPed:

still deciding how i feel about uzi in all honesty but he's not a bad vote

waiting until everyone has checked in and read a good amount but I agree, not looking like a bad place to push more

until more have said more:

UNVOTE: Creature

[drealmerz7]

Btw

I random.orged my cards

I got all 3!

Anyone else?

Hmmm

VOTE: Transcend

yeah that pings me pretty hard

very anti-town and very convenient excuse for scum to explain their cards away without having to do any explaining

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Dunnstral
you talk too much

What is this

perhaps a litttttle over-reaction, but, I felt you were talking about things that were better for town not talked about, I did find it more anti-town than scummy, though, so,

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

transcend, no you're not supposed to lie how you got your cards, you're supposed to try and be pro-town with your choices and just saying "ehh fuck whatever" doesn't seem very pro-town, you should have put some thought into it

LUV increasing his scum-pings in practically each post! VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert - will point out specifics if anyone wants

[drealmerz7]

Not really. Town should be trying to find scum, and being honest about stuff - that's usually enough to end up looking townish. Scum, not being able to just tell the truth, have to think harder about their posts to look good. I think some of LUV's posts are the result of that kind of thinking.

this ^

also, when someone makes an argument as to why someone is likely scum, the proper course of action if you're going to respond to it, is a counterargument, not "nuh uh!" or the like

at least LUV is defending himself, those arguing against his lynch but not making arguments are smelly, imo - I can't help but think of the possibility that they are scum knowing the leading wagon is town and getting their towncred in under the gun in case he eventually gets lynched/flips (is it because I just don't agree with their read maybe?) - though with 23 I guess it's hardly much of a wagon at this point

ahh, hmm, a bit clarity is good, nice

In reflection I'm thinking maybe I should have just FoSed LUV at the point I voted, but I'm okay with it still and will leave it.

More ppl need to say more...

[drealmerz7]

no one specifically pings me of his defenders because of their defending, I'm specifically meaning the ppl who are saying his town blindly in response to arguments that he is scum with nothing to support their view - I just don't like that, ever, I guess

now, I could go through those who have done that and see which of them I find gives me the most pings throughout the game so far, but it wouldn't necessarily be related to LUV - would you like that?

[drealmerz7]

would you like that?

yes actually :)

metoo!

I took a break and now am back to get on it, and I see a handful of pages added at this point (of which I've not read at all), so,

I'm going to do a catchup first and then do this

[drealmerz7]

Creature, your wanting lurker lynches doesn't sit well with me.

D1 is not the day or time to go after lurker lynches (usually) sure, poke them and say HEY, quick being a lurk-fuck, but, unless there is nothing scummier going on on D1, they wait until D2 to get a hotpoker under the bum from me - on D1 they are LHF and easy targets for scum to push and hope to generate a lynch for. They give no good VCA / the flip tends to be useless if town or scum in reading anyone in regards to it (there's no meat) - you keep pinging me scummy, creature, despite everyone jumping on me for SRing you early saying you're towny - *shrug*

uhhh, and then I read this:

"Lurker lynches are bad" aka Scum Hideout

what? noooo - THEY ARE bad on D1 - see above ^ - D1 we should be focused on other things - generated meat/content and associations from ppl that seem the scummiest/most likely to be scum

I like both major wagons ftr. We should try to consolidate.

no way! too early, huge game

multiple wagons are good good good!!! let them build naturally - at this point EVERYONE should just be voting their top SR - if they don't have one, fine, not voting yet is fine this early in this big of a game

patience in this game will be key I think - not rushing to shits, I mean, lots of ppl with lots of abilities, have to let things grow and ppl decided on what to do and everything

There's no rule to use the entire time.

this seems off to me, of course everyone knows this, and it is WAAYYY early, your further push to consolidate pings more

voting patterns r suk

nonsense

maybe it's not an ability for you, but they are excellent to analyze, if you can

hmmm that seems about all relevant for now?, LUV stuff next

I'm okay with both transcend and LUV wagons atm, very much so

[drealmerz7]

what? noooo - THEY ARE bad on D1 - see above ^ - D1 we should be focused on other things - generated meat/content and associations from ppl that seem the scummiest/most likely to be scum

What if I think a lurker is scum?

then make the case as to why you think they are scum, of course

[drealmerz7]

keep making posts like that and I'm going to switch my vote

[drealmerz7]

okay I wasn't sure if I was supposed to or not actually haha

[drealmerz7]

yes of course

King-Diamonds

[drealmerz7]

@ Quipla - now that we know both K-Diamonds are in play, if Diamonds comes up in the trump, and 2 Lights Out Lynching abilities are in effect, does that make it 3 lynches in a Day? I know the passive abilities aren't stackable PER PLAYER and the Lights Out Lynching description says "town will be allowed 2", so figure they don't, but obviously it's just good to know for sure.

[drealmerz7]

I am not caught up with this at all and won't be until at least tonight.

giga, I paused on doing what I was doing with LUV because I thought it might be inhibitive of things that could be useful/telling if I did it without letting things grow/evolve a bit more

big game - going to have to tackle it in bigger chunks at a time and less piece-meal-keep-up most of the time

for now since I am as behind as I am I'm (I'mIamIm) going to

UNVOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell ppls, that was like 20 pages of trash, and not even smelly trash that I can sort what stinks and what doesn't

just a bunch of worthless paper trash

removing my nulls and giving scumlean and townleans

scum

12 - Lil Uzi Vert
9 - Creature
26 - MariaR
4 - Transcend
2 - Vecna
12 - Vifam
13 - Maxous

11 - davesaz
5 - Fishythefish
13 - gigabyteTroubadour

town

not comfortable voting anyone atm, though I could probably be persuaded, but, it's early in the Day, patience is good to help things flesh out, am holding it for now

I don't like how fast a bunch of ppl jumped on SpyreX (I know, he's a sexy alien, but, geeeez!)

[drealmerz7]

uh why?

[drealmerz7]

I just did though

[drealmerz7]

they aren't scumreads

learn to read

scumleans

[drealmerz7]

the Day just started in a 23 player game, and rb giving me shit for not being comfortable voting currently?

he can go in the scumlean pile

[drealmerz7]

I'm gonna be quasi vla for a.bit

miss you dearly

[drealmerz7]

how should I play the game almighty master of mafia?

lurk?

shit post 50000 worthless posts of ego?

[drealmerz7]

there's also literally no sane person who would scumread me in this game rn

please keep your judgements of my sanity to yourself

[drealmerz7]

"you are scum because your reads suck"

*yawn*

thanks

I'll vote when I'm comfortable

keep talking

[drealmerz7]

Have decent reads ...

equivocated that to him saying my reads suck

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: creature [ /vote]

you're right though, I shouldn't have allowed myself to be bullied off my creature vote so easily, that was a bad move

back on it now

[drealmerz7]

good thing u cut out half of his quote

no shit I did that was the part I was referring to - what is your point? it is fucking clear I snipped the quote - it's right there for all to see - who cares?

VOTE: creature

[drealmerz7]

wow dude its like u just subconsciously cant vote!!!

hahaha

[drealmerz7]

man, I know I don't use caps that much, but, can you like, learn to grammar a little? some puncuation, apostrophes at least?

[drealmerz7]

it'd make reading your 5000000000 empty posts a little more bearable

[drealmerz7]

Hey, I like this guy! ^

[drealmerz7]

townlean pile for you!

[drealmerz7]

and as I reflect upon the game and my reads...rb harddefending LUV as town is starting to smell a bit

@giga (and everyone) - there is a notable one to start with at least, in rb, but it is someone who is claiming to never explain their town reads - seems convenient to me, and horribly scummy/anti-town play - even if true, that is the sort of shitplay that shouldn't stand. To me it just means that is the sort of player that likes to play scummy as town so that when they draw scum they don't have to explain their scummy play as anything but "I always play like this" - shiiiiit playstyle, and I can actually get around to PLing something like that depending how interfering / egregious it becomes

[drealmerz7]

funny how I start to SR you, step up to your shit, and you go away, come back with this BS

yep, you can start moving right on up that scumpile

...you've seen me singlehandedly destroy an entire scumteam but...

Its not ego ...

riiiiiight

I forgot you have the power of 10 lynches - it's not a team game when you play!

Also drealmerz u had no problem with me not explaining townreads the last time we played, it's now an issue because....?

I certainly had an issue with you not giving reads and how you played that game (and play the game in general), I even said as much then, multiple times probably. I even noted after the game was over about how if my reads hadn't been aligning with your votes, that we'd be having serious issues.

you are smart enough to know all of this and you're just being scum-tastic as I see it now

UNVOTE: creature
VOTE: rb

[drealmerz7]

we dun been an hour past

it's no longer Morning

everyone WAKE THE FUCK UP

[drealmerz7]

pt.1 catchup (if I missed anything you'd like me to address, let me know)

the Day just started in a 23 player game, and rb giving me shit for not being comfortable voting currently?

he can go in the scumlean pile

Over-defensive much?

I don't see how it is defensive at all, really. My view is that his approach+ hostility about my position is weak BS and feels like it could be scum trying to make me look nefarious when my position was outward and honest and reasonable at that point in the game. In general, anyone pushing anyone to vote that early in the game gets scumpings.

Well the fact you'd rolefish me so blatantly for starters.

Regardless of your alignment, you're AOK in my book. If you're having fun, roll with it. Rome isn't built in a day. I will retool my theories and hypothesis as data comes in, and I've been wrong before. Hubris is my weakness. Find yours and you'll be better too.

I wasn't rolefishing. The thought just popped into my head after rereading the OP.

And thanks, I appreciate the advice. Forum posting is a struggle for me but I gotta work on being less awkward :lol:

Well you should know better to understand what it does and I am not sure I buy this excuse, paired with the "appreciate the advice...work on being less awkward" - oof that just sounds bad and fake and I could throw my vote here right now if I weren't so far behind.

okay my scumreads are usually nothing great, but theres always this one strong gut scumread i have that people refuse to lynch for a long time and i have to yell to get them lynched and these always flip scum and this time it's trancend. i'll try to explain why he's scum although i know i really suck at making cases

wow you sound quite a bit like me. though I have gotten better at making cases the more I try (and the more I try to make them more succinct, which is often a problem. I have so many floating thoughts around my reads and how they interact, it is hard to slim it down into sentence structure.)

his first 5 posts are him posturing trying to copy his kooky town play, its really stiff stuff and i expect maria and giga to immediately pick up on this. im not sure why maria didnt?

I have to say even though I don't have a lot of experience with transcend, that this is how I was feeling as well (not the scumgut hardread like you have about it, but the "hmm, this transcend feels a bit stiff like he's trying to copy how he normally would be") - I temper that with my limited experience but then paired with the actual other things from him, he still pings scummy, and like he's trying to sound town (I'll point out the next LAMIST post I see of his.)

*reads more of kraska case on transcend am liking what I'm hearing a lot*

I agree that IF transcend is scum that he would be ballsy enough to say "hey, I'm going to grab a scum card depending where I am in the draft and just explain it away as random.org - it will be a brick wall of reason no one will be able to break" etc. etc., and it's just so anti-town/scummy to do the random.org in the first place, yeah...*reads on*

hahaha scrolling slowly down and BOOM, the superlarge text of the vote on transcend, I laughed, and yeah, LUV and transcend at this point are still my top choices for scum

Why governor?
I'm not going into detail cause role fish but I don't understand kraska :c

this slot continues to look bad but I will be patient with it because I think they are possibly just like this early and the shady behavior (or however to describe it, really) isn't NAI for them, but definitely keeping an eye

omg mariaR and transcend exchange pg. 54-55 is painful - scumbuddies?

This game isn't what I expected it to be...

what'd you expect?

*picks cards*

*scumhunts*

*sometime uses card*

*win game*

LET'S CLAIM HATED AND BAD EFFECTS D1 MASS CLAIM...

._.

This wasn't me asking people to massclaim this was me mocking the people who already said to massclaim :neutral:

I did not find that to be trying to instill any sort of mass claim either, it was clearly a mockery of it to me

Yeah Maria's overplaying the nonchalance :roll: don't mind lynching that first
VOTE: maria

I don't like the feel of it either but I'm not sure it is voteworthy yet, and not as voteworthy as others. Your jump from your hard transcend case to this feels odd.

but i think mariar's town

ooof - after mariaR looking scummier and scummier, transcend pops in with a hard defend - scumbuddydefenderpinnng

Ty partner

omg and this post isn't until the top ofthe next page - wtf both of them very much scum

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah ure lynched today and transcends next

Don't line up lynches if you're town pl0x

it's not lining up lynches, way to misrep and make it look way worse than it is

it is absolutely viable strategy to map out potential avenues/paths of how things read/will read depending on various things - this is my fist ping for drone I should go back and check him definitely, if I get the time ever

I can't wait to be vigged

I'll vig you and transcend soon dw

I can't wait to be vigged

no

me

omg yes please vig. them both!

Okay u 2 made it clear ure not going to post anyhing meaningful so how about u stop posting altogether until u get rope? Coz ure just spamming the thread

It's sad that we can't all be town together in one game hmm :^(

It's page 57 now guys. Let's lynch one of transcend/maria before this thread becomes a bigger of a chore to read

seriously ffs look at all the pages ahead of me of this garbage...and rb isn't even involved, and, vedith, he's around somewhere to shitpost more too I'm sure, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee *in for the longhaul though hopefully regardless!!*

If im right titus is likely the scum mastermind and its the very best possible d1 lynch

tiring of this pushing a bit, if more of acase that Yu (that's General Yu!) see builds, build it, but what vecna has is weak-ass-shits and I'm getting pings here now where before I thought it was leaning on healthy paranoia

just got to card placed on top of deck post (#1465) - this is a good place to pause and post this ^ I think. I will then come back and continue on after a morning walk and stuffs. Please keep the shitposts to zero, thanks.

[drealmerz7]

okay so I still have a bunch of pages to read to be fully caught up but I read the last few before EoD and I would like to kill (err lynch) someone on drone's wagon pls - D1 did not need to go that fast and I am all for not dilly-dallying on Days but that was reckless and like no real counterwagon in a 23p game on D1? ugh

LUV or milkshake are my tops but I think the entire pool of with a handful of MariaR, Vecna, Lil Uzi Vert, milkshake, Transcend are the scummiest from the list and warrant looking at

I had my vote parked here a while yesterday and took it off because I wasn't caught up, I think that was a mistake

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[drealmerz7]

Hi i didn't get vigged lol

Also i rigged the deck, that shitty card is now out of my hand.

Sry Drone love you

I missed this post

it sounds very fake

[drealmerz7]

I mean I believe you rigged the deck, but, you still sound fake

[drealmerz7]

^^^

vig this tbh

[drealmerz7]

hey it didn't tell me maxous posted in my preview

that is weird - I was pointing at transcend for the record

though I agree with the giga on maria too

[drealmerz7]

Creature died because not a soul scum read him and he was high in the draft

Oh and also probably because he town read me and would oppose any fucktarded wagon on me

I was SRing him a bit, actually, even though everyone was telling me not to

hmmm...yeah I could lynch transcend instead of LUV today

both those lines ping me pretty good

[drealmerz7]

maria (this also applies to other players but I am addressing maria right now specifically since she asked)

I have a huge issue with your playstyle, to me it is scummy to be scummy so that when you draw scum you can be scummy even though you are the same way as town - it goes beyond it being anti-town, it's subversive scummy play AS town, and...

it's shit play, imo, and I would vig. it pretty readily on a game-to-game encounter with you if I had vigs because of the potential for you to just be hiding as scum in it - problem is on MS it seems to be pretty regular to play scummy so that when you draw scum you can get away with it - I never encountered such play before coming here and I don't like it, I think it brings down the game

[drealmerz7]

Okay I should have probably just started at that point, I thought was obvious: it's anti-town.

It might serve YOU game to game (especially when you draw scum), but it is not team-play and does not serve/help town (in my limited exposure, I grant), it's a coy, antagonistic, non-contributive, half-sarcastic, jokingly sinister cocktail of anti-town BLAARFGG that bothers me - I will say there are other players on MS (and in this game) who do it worse than you, but since you asked me about it, I am taking the opportunity

BACK TO THE GAME!

[drealmerz7]

There are players who play scummy as town and townie as scum. MariaR is one.

definitely aware

I will rail against it here or there when I feel the desire though, cause, like I said, I think it's shit play (well towny as scum is what you should be trying to achieve, but scummy as town is counter-productive awful play!)

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz, Maxous lied about Creature wanting me roped and omitted Creature's scumread on Jackal.

ahhmmm, thanks :|

he has been pinging me pretty good, but hasn't been a focus, I really need to do full catchup and get the full picture

but stepping away from here now, gotta get ready for work

[drealmerz7]

Okay I should have probably just started at that point, I thought was obvious: it's anti-town.

It might serve YOU game to game (especially when you draw scum), but it is not team-play and does not serve/help town (in my limited exposure, I grant), it's a coy, antagonistic, non-contributive, half-sarcastic, jokingly sinister cocktail of anti-town BLAARFGG that bothers me - I will say there are other players on MS (and in this game) who do it worse than you, but since you asked me about it, I am taking the opportunity

BACK TO THE GAME!

What you don't understand is I'm having fun while playing this game I'm still scumhunting just like everyone else in this game but it's overwhelming with this many people so I try to latch on a few sr's and see if I agree
because on my own I don't have a reason no fucking clue so my little filler posts are me relaxing while I still do me things in my own way
give it me time :)

thanks for at least addressing it with me, it makes me less frustrated with you, but, still, I don't like the play regardless and I can't help but think it's a convenient way to hide as scum

[drealmerz7]

I just got prodded - oops - I was actually starting to wonder how long it'd been since I posted.

okay so I'll post some content... gotta look at the most current relevant shit because I've been barely looking at this game lately (it started out as checking it with less frequency, then became a quick slippery slope into now behind way behind)

- I don't blame you, Titus, I'm lurking like a fucking pro over here, but don't get paranoid, k?

really, it's been:

shitposting galore and I have limited time for it and am catching up at my leisure cause it's the motivation I have for the game *shrug*

lots of players and a lot of what I view to be bad wagons and you all seem like a bunch of chickens with your heads cut off trying to find the guy with the axe to peck at him with your non-existent beaks (ya know, cause your heads are cut off, so imagine the pecking motion flinging spurting blood out of chicken neck - that's the mess I see going on in this thread)

rb is dead - fucking fantastic I must say :|

I mean, he's a decent player in ways, but, that posting the way he does is sooooooo anti-town and it gets exponentially worse in a game of this size and he jumps his reads and pushes all over the place and it is really destructive anti-productive in a lot of what he does and I think he knows all of those things so I have to ask "why does he do it if he is aware he's not as helpful as he could be as town?" and part of the answer for me is "he's on crack" and part of the answer is "because it's a playstyle that serves him when he's scum and his ego doesn't care that when he's town it hurts town" - not a full team player imo and if I had to choose 1 player to remove from this game as early as possible, it'd be rb

I did have a bit of a SR on rb, also - is any of this relevant? I don't even fucking know, I'm just commenting on recent shit that inspires me

yes, rb, your death is inspiring - it inspires me to get back into the game!!!!

fuller reads are better when I've actually read everything

I don't even know what is else is really going on.

I would like to think the leading wagons are the top scumspects on the drone lynch, because that lynch was sheeeeeot and there's obvs scum there and that is a good pool to look at.

I'll be caught up in another day or two I'm sure

[drealmerz7]

Lets post a lot so scum can complain again that theres too many pages to read.

^ that's a bit funny, but I'm not scum

I've got time now and am doing full catchup, will output my input before too long

btw I think vecna is scum from the perusings I've been doing

[drealmerz7]

it was a scummy post you made, it's simple as that, me responding simply pulls that into light more

you're calling anyone who has made comments about the amount of posts / and not posting much because of it, scum - it's a pre-emptively scum-twist of a post

I'm not scum, yet, you've labeled me as such because I fall into the category you addressed, whether you SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED ME OR NOT, the way you phrase and word, frames anyone, like me, as such - at first I got a little laugh and then realized how scummy it was

it's fucking scum-tactics, through and through - doing a full comprehensive view and, probably voting for you from what I've been seeing

[drealmerz7]

reading through vecna's ISO - how is this not lynched already?

VOTE: vecna

[drealmerz7]

jackel is a townlean

mariar is a scumlean

but vecna is obviscum - join there if you please

more of a case in a bit I actually am going to go for a walk with the morning light

[drealmerz7]

back from walk

I actually had someone else in mind when I wrote the post, but its quite amusing that it caused you to get this triggered for whatever reason. So tell me, why is the post so scummy and why did it suddenly cause you to be this antagonized? Why do you feel so personally attacked by it? Why again so defensive?

I do realize you have me as a TR, but I still find it an extremely scummy post, regardless of who you were specifically addressing, that is the point to me - and as I said (read the post), my initial reaction was a laugh (and I didn't think much of the comment beyond being trolly), and then I found it was scummy upon pretty-quick reflection, not just trolly

and then yep I took a bit of offense even when not directed at me. I think it's because I know I haven't been participating as much as I should (or ideally would be liking to) and I am always one to be suspicious of lurkers come D2 and so I recognize that readily in others, regardless of whether the suspicion falls on lurktown or lurkscum, and feel a bit of guilt in not being more helpful, regardless of you who meant. Those are the feelings I'm coming from.


I don't think my reaction was as bad as you're making it out to be, however, and still have many scumpings / issues with your play that reek scumness to me.

the vote is definitely staying, it just took that little bit to make me look at you closer (you'd been pinging scum but, again with not being fully "with" the game, it wasn't as clear as it should have been until I read the ISO), and that is a good thing, thanks for the helping in the scumhunt of you (okay so that's a little more arrogant than the confidence I actually feel, but, I'm still pretty confident!)

[drealmerz7]

So basically what your saying is that my post was scummy because it reminded you of how shit you've been playing? Gotcha.

Starting to see why both Rb and Transcend were called you a giant scumlord. Maybe thats why Rb had to die?

how is this not scum? geebus

[drealmerz7]

ftr, I don't feel like I've been playing like shit, I've just not been playing even close to near capacity, as, obviously, I've not been playing hardly at all - but obviously activity does not equal alignment

I think part of it (my lurky passivity) is also the # of players, not because of volume of posts, but because of how much to sort in my head - when I barely know most of you and don't know a good number of you at all, it's a bit harder for me to sort while engaged, this passive view is helping, even if a byproduct of other things, but I'm not used to it at all

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Drealmerz77

Time to die mr scumslip

riiiight

you'll just jump at anything, won't you?

[drealmerz7]

omgys (for figuring out I'm scum) vote is how I read 2931

[drealmerz7]

Kettle....black....scumslip

paint...your views and agendas....on anyone you can, desperate for town to follow

[drealmerz7]

At this point I feel pretty solid that mariaR is scum - it has gone from scummy playstyle that I just don't like because (I think) in general players who play that way simply use it to hide being scum (essentially play like scum when town so when scum they can be scummy and get away with it - shitplay, imo) - to thinking this is probably one of those times such a player is actually scum trying to hide in this playstyle, it's just too much too fake too scummy manipulative - it just doesn't help ppl read her and she knows it and I think "gets off" on getting away with it and that is starting to come out a bit (anger at EVERY SINGLE PERSON not buying the act, blah), which I think only happens as scum too - I'd be happy if a vig. shot her when able, I'd be happy lynching her today, I'd be okay waiting another Day and seeing which direction the feels on her go

I've been going back over jackel and his interactions and while I'm not as secure on him as scum as MariaR, I can see him quite possibly being. I think what helps is that I have a few of the players on the wagon as strong town (kraska, giga, fishy) and they are trying to solve the game in a way I like/I like a lot of what their reads and approaches are (which I commend with this many ppl around) and I trust their confidence and that helps me build confidence in the read on jackel.

jackel isn't responding to the heat as I usually prefer town to, pushing an alternate case and having more presence trying to make the most of the game and be as helpful as possible in case your involvement is coming to an end - it's weak and while I understand a bit of where he's at with the "mostly just giving a general good or bad feel to players at this point", now is the time to step up and fight if you're town, find the worst "bad feel" and go with it - he's being passive and kind of crowd-pleasy almost. it's kind of like "he has the taste of town but the aftertaste is scummy"

VOTE: jackel

p-edit: I typed that and got distracted by kitties and there's a handful of posts -

kraska, I hear you, lurking sucks and is hurting town at this point, I'm working on doing better, I swear, I fucking hate lurksacks and I am trying to weed through all the shit to find good thoughts to share

[drealmerz7]

No that is not what I mean at all. Are you not even aware? I think you are aware and are just trolling now to get into it with whoever will get into it with you.

Talk to me after the game if you seriously aren't aware of what I mean hiding in scummy play. I'll give you quotes and explain it and everything. After the game, if you're town.

[drealmerz7]

I don't read Maria's "meltdown" one way or another. I've seen similar reactions enough times from both alignments.

how non-commital

I agree it can be seen as scum or town generally, but it's

not

both, so which way are you inclined? you have no lean one way or the other on maria?

and for those worried about scum-jackel shooting a towny

YEAH, but look at the fucking numbers at the start, 5/23 - you don't drop a good lynch on likely scum because they claim vengeful and you're worried about losing a player - I guess the bigger concern is which player we lose, but, you still have to play the game straight, and that means lynch scum

get your heads on right, if he's town odds are he hits town - I agree he shouldn't shoot titus if he's town, but it's a long-haul game and there are going to be a lot of casualties along the way and FEAR IS NOT AN AVENUE TOWARDS SUCCESS

I guess the argument is to wait to lynch him until vengeful isn't active, but, again, to me that's just playing the game straight - first things are first, lynch scum. Maybe I'm viewing it too simply, but, to me,

if

jackel is town we've got to take shots at hitting scum with all the firepower we have (that's why I went for lights out lynching, obvs.), missing out on an opportunity IS NOT GOOD.

dunnstral is off but it could just be frustration with how everything keeps getting pulled in every direction

which, btw dunn, is why I voted jackel as I did and not maria - while my harder SR is on maria I am still comfortable with a jackel lynch and voting maria at the time would have done more damage than harm imo, I thought I expressed why I supported the jackel lynch sufficiently enough, if not, address that you have an issue with me vote, don't just make a post clipping my post and not making a comment (essentially leaving it open for interpretation as to what yo mean, but you obviously meaning something negative) - that's scummy. We need to move forward, I'm comfortable moving forward with a jackel lynch, which is all contained in my post, however not as succinct asit could be (that's an issue I often run into, instead of being concise I ramble a bit and ppl don't like that because it becomes more confusing than pointed.)

[drealmerz7]

EBWOP

to me that's just

NOT

playing the game straight

[drealmerz7]

Is Drealmerz scum?

you come back and that is all you have to say?

echoed by dunn - and it's all just empty fluff

jackel is definitely a good lynch, ffs, sorry sharing my thoughts made it seem more convoluted than that

jackel likely scum
maria more likely

didn't vote maria because jackel is a good lynch that I'm comfortable voting and we're at a point in the day where I think that is the move to make, I made that move and tried to talk a bit about it - ppl like making something out of nothing because they don't know how else to participate and want to look like they're trying to do something

when I come in I at least am outward with my shits

[drealmerz7]

...why do you think MariaScum would be playing this way? It's been quite clear for a while it's not being read as town. I don't see why her "meltdown" as you call it looks unlikely, and I don't see a scum motivation to fake it.

First, I wouldn't really call it a meltdown. I've had meltdowns. That isn't one. It's more of a lash-out. and it felt forced and fake (some genuine anger but then exaggerated) -

as for the question "why play this way as scum?" ask the first question and that is the only way I start to make sense of it ("Why play this way as town?")

answers =

to get away with anti-town/scummy playstyles as town or scum because it makes her harder to read

my guess is she has tried to play differently at some point and it doesn't serve her well (she scumtells easily is my guess), and this way probably serves her best to not get killed as scum whenever she rolls it - rather than learn to play better, she's devolved into this shit

it's selfish and not team-play at all, whether town or scum - I fucking hate it

more inc. but wanted to make that ^ solitary

[drealmerz7]

I really doubt she'd fake one.

why do you doubt it? WIFOM galore is exactly why

[drealmerz7]

I agree, but it's not a scum meltdown. Doesn't make sens.

stop trying to apply logic to AtE

you've got to tone-read it mixed with personality/behavior and META comparisons of those things

[drealmerz7]

Way to close to[o] deadline to be randomly fracturing wagons, though.

Agree and this is why I cast my vote on jackel and didn't push my higher SR(s) - it's just distracting/disservicing at this point.

If I weren't okay with the jackel wagon then I'd be all about building a counter, and anyone who isn't, should. If there becomes a tie between jackel and maria, I'll switch over nodoubt, but I don't want to hurt a good wagon at this point in the Day.

VOTE: Jackel

Don't think it's right but this needs to move on

egh, this I don't like at all. If you don't think it is right, then don't do it. Still some days left, argue against it or argue for another.

I don't want this lynch.

With that being said, please venge MariaR

you're doing a great job arguing why he's town for him

Hmmmmm reading the ISO resulted me changing my thoughts, I probably cannot kill him.

uhhh, can you elaborate? kind of a major position to be in to not get into more

We got 4 days plenty of time to change the wagon if everyone

sr's jack w/e his name is

why are we giving him a vengeful shot to shoot our cop clear lol

underlined part just sounds so fucking fake, I think she already did similar too

and 4 days is not plenty of time with a group this big, ugh, attempt to derail makes me feel better about the jackel lynch

McMenno, I'm not sure. Some are saying you, others Maria, and others still Drealmerz. Titus holds a special place in my heart, too.

this comes off as scum who is just trying to dump anyone he can from his wagon / deter the hammer

which with there being 6 pages more after this one...I'm guessing something happened to it...*reads*

[drealmerz7]

okay caught up

that's some fast votes, but,

yes pls

VOTE: MariaR

sometimes a fast wagon is because it's obvious scum -

Having said that I think discussion is good and we shouldn't be hasty to lynch. Vecna is right, all those who are voting/going to vote maria need to actually talk about it a little and not just hop on a convenient wagon. Like in grade school - everyone give 2-4 sentences explaining

in their own words

(that's the key!) why they think mariar is likely scum and should be the lynch today.

I do think my position is clear and no need to reiterate?

Of course those opposed to a maria lynch / think she's town, and/or see a better lynch option, would be very good to argue as to why. Hard defends like "maria is town because this is town maria" or whatever are not acceptable. WHY is it town maria? And who are the scum painting townmaria falsely as scum, or is it just fellow townies doing it? We need to get into these shits for sorting purposes.

[drealmerz7]

uhhh, did you read my post?
have you read my other posts?

done did

[drealmerz7]

oh wait that is just you trolling, derrrrr

[drealmerz7]

Then help me bus Kison.

*looks at this a little funny*

you're trying to bus kison?

I mean, I know what you're going to say what you meant was, and, of course I can see that in it too, but, it still caught me and I wanted to note it

[drealmerz7]

I mean, is he bothering you in scumchat? not helping your agenda? the thoughts, they stir around with a comment like that

[drealmerz7]

-_______________________________--

she obviously referring to luz here

I know, I said as much, was that not clear in my post???

when I read it still caught me a little and I wanted to note it

ugh I hate repeating myself

[drealmerz7]

OMFG

REPEATING SELF AGAIN

it caught me a little funny - when the brain processed it it did 2 things simultaneously 1.) inferred her probably meaning, because I know what her reads are, but also, 2.) because of the phrasing, thoughts immediately popped into my head that SHE is busing kison

and so I wanted to note it

that is why I noted it...wtf?

is it that hard to understand?

[drealmerz7]

do you not understand rhetoric?

if she's scum do you really think I expect her to answer those straight?

if she's town, don't you think her answers will be revealing?

why get in the middle of it?

[drealmerz7]

and "answers" to rhetoric are more 'responses' that help me gauge and read someone

it's not about finding answers to those questions, OBVIOUSLY

[drealmerz7]

yup

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

if you want more to my reason than "I think it very likely he's scum", it'll have to wait, I have other priorities atm...

[drealmerz7]

giga, I know we barely know each other and this is a rather personal confession, but,

I have a small 'd', not a big one

[drealmerz7]

no doubts

and so that I don't have 2 consecutive shitposts of non-content

one of the main things I was going to do with this Day was to push and probe titus to try and get a better read

pfffff

[drealmerz7]

great argument

[drealmerz7]

I could have just lurked and said nothing...

[drealmerz7]

you should check out my reads-list for this game

it's a GIANT PILE OF NULL, with a few townleans (hey dunnstral is there!) and a few solid TRs

it's inspiring me to...sit here and watch...

[drealmerz7]

If Dunnstral and I were scum together and he mentioned Titus needing to be killed in a public thread, that's the last fucking person I'd target.

That's common sense shit, and mcscummo/Gerry pushing this crap as proof I'm Scum just shows how badly they want to shade me.

ehhhh

or it's the first person you'd target, because it's the last person you'd target

you know how that works

- this post reeks

[drealmerz7]

how is it a waste?

[drealmerz7]

ooof I really hate using the term "mason" without the *knowing* part there - but I do feel pretty damn confident in giga being town :þ

wayyyy more than most people in most games I've been in too

I'm good with mcmenno for lunch - I actually had to refrain from jumping on those scumclaims when they happened and then I forgot about them because it's mcmenno and he's forgettable

VOTE: McMenno

[drealmerz7]

I'm here, watching all of the things, wishing I could be more helpful to help sort but I'm definitely out of my depths with the cards and abilities and all the interactions stuff and that seems to be the majority of what the discussion is being around this Day.

I'm okay with mcmenno or arcangel lynch, preferably mcmenno obviously (cause that's where my vote is)

LUV I had been having him a higher scumlean for a while but has been more towny today (though there still have been pings) than previously and so I'm way less comfortable there than I used to be, especially taking into consideration his lynch-baityness

gerry is giving me different vibes today than he has previously anywhere in my limited experience with him (and on previous Days he was seeming what I would say is "normal gerry") - like, he's playing mafia where as normally he just kind of, says things mafia-related?

[drealmerz7]

I don't want to lynch angel because I know she's in 2 neighborhoods and I don't know if it's likely scum would be in those, though MOI picked it so I guess it's possible. We have an active hood right now and she hasn't posted anything in it.

Sounds a little like dunn knows MoI is scum, but my deeper understanding of it is dunn is giving a meta read on MoI saying MoI as scum would do that.

[drealmerz7]

oh! I wanted to note:

vecna's scumpings that I'd been receiving since early game completely disappeared once Titus was out of the game

I think it was ego-rubbings of 2 people who wanted to "guide" the game in directions they thought were correct and I was picking up that contentious energy. Vecna has jumped up to way-towny to me (doesn't quite have that giga or fishy clearance in my mind, but, he's definitely working on entering that echelon)

pretty sure Dunn is town

MB's scumpings keep on coming and they're now wading in the scumpool

[drealmerz7]

okay so since apparently you're all too lazy to ISO mcmenno and see his obviscumness I'll do it for you

what up friends

VOTE: creature

ARGH THREADSPAM

this is like "Hi I'm friendly! and I vote for the first NK, and then I make cute obvious observations about threadspam because hey it's saying something without saying something, and I'm a pro at that"

and then wait SIX-HUNDRED-AND-THIRTY-TWO POSTS before

On page 20

VOTE: Transcend

Time to ride this train

^^ this post comes on page 27 ^^ no worries about 6 pages inbetween and what the VC is at? just, hey, maybe he'll get lucky and drop a quick-oops-hammer on transcend? @mcm - did you consider that when making this vote while catching up and being behind?

shitpost:

McMenno, you are well beyond the point where we are claiming card amounts.

oh no I am very skurrit

shitpost:

so what do you folks think of my brand new avi

Yup, which has mean townreading you.

I don't think you understand titus we are playing this game together you

have

to deathtunnel me

^ this is scummy because it discredits (or is an attempt to discredit) any future push/pursuit of mcmenno by titus

Jackel98, gerryoat, davesaz, Kison, Vecna, SpyreX, McMenno

Am I missing any other good wagon?

transcend

why transcend at this point, mcmenno? now upon reflection knowing he's town, where do you think you went wrong in your read of transcend?

... McMenno is likely town or giving information for towncred. Someone claimed their missing card before him. This means he could have just copied the missing card that claimed before him if he wanted to deny info.
...

where do I spend this titus towncred

this is plain scummy reverse pyschology - "devalue the townread from a strong voice, scum wouldn't do that!" and we now know the TR was coming from a townie so I can also see this as a pre-cursor a push on titus (given the previous comment too, it seems likely mcmenno views titus as a threat and he's positioning himself readying just in case she comes at him)

and then nothing for 600 posts until he drops

Spoiler: this doozie(underlined portions are my comments)

this slot bothers me

plus im sheeping titus

VOTE: uzi vert

pedit just got home from work, eating a microwavable cheeseburger i think that was the biggest mistake of my life

tfw you're getting lynched and sheep big TWON wagon

still about that transcend lynch

VOTE: Titus Fuck it, time to shake stuff up.

People are townreading Titus for no reason at all while what she's doing is super harmfull to town.

Other notes: People need to be way more carefull with claiming their cards or even suggesting it. Im quite sure I can quite accurately guess all 3 of RB's cards at this point, and if I can, so can scum and kill him with no problem whatsoever (assuming he isnt scum himself thats unafraid, but I doubt it).
Need to look more into other people that were suggesting this massclaim, as it became clear from going through the ISO that it wasnt just Titus.

was about to say that vote was retarded but then I read rb'd post now you're all good fam -

now voting titus is okay because of rb - whom he possible knows will be the next kill and flip town?

now move your vote over to transcend though

push that transcend lynch

Were u seriously planning on listening to creature and TRANSCEND and sheeping them on spyrex?
Vote maria now

no we lynch transcend not maria

this comment of kraska was made to drone, but mcmenno wants us to lynch transcend over maria, why? we don't know

yeah but she's also fantastic town as well and you shouldn't just lynch her off of fear zzz

fuck off scum

quite sure the 'she' here is titus - huh?

I'm the only one not voting, this makes me uncomfortable. Someone give me a case on someone, if I like it, I'll vote them

do or die

VOTE: vedith

cbf tryna push the titus wagon tbh

vedith is well and good but let's lynch transcend, I bet all of dem dog avatars are scum

scumclaim - yesyes, we know, he does that, that doesn't make it not scummy sometimes and just poor play other times - which is it this time?

Post 1314 + she's actually appeasing people and not bruteforcing the town like every towngame ive seen her play + constantly talking about pointless setup stuff. she always does theories and shit but this time its so weak and her presence is hardly felt (relative to normal titus presence)

The thing is the #1 reason ppl scumread her when shes town is that shes so overbearing and controlling, but when shes scum she tones it down and keeps the moonlogic up and no one pays her heed because they're just glad she isnt brutefprcing interactions anymore. plus ppl are in awe of the times shes spectacularly solved games (who cares) so its like, "but i dun wanna lynch good town!!!"

when rly who cares. If u think someone is scum u lynch them, they dont get brownie points for being good when town if u think they're scum

metoothanks

pretty sure this is mcmenno agreeing with rb's read that titus is scum? if I have it wrong let me know

we won dragon age because of a cop guilty scum making terrible night actions vedith hardbussing his 2 partners and rando flaking out then replacebro was like "yo you hardbussed them"

not because of your godly reads or w/e remove head -> arse

Oh, this game.
RB just spent the game calling Titus scum until Titus flipped town.
:lol: :lol:

Surprise there, eh?

you are a very obnoxious scum

seems like maybe mcmenno is upset for the push on titusasscum turned out titustown being revealed, like "damnit, I want rb to push towntitus as scum and have her flip town, don't get in the way!"

transcend is must lynch material today

why? because of the cards he holds? you know transcend will cop you if he has it and you don't know? if only we knew why mcmenno wants transcend lynched so badly, I wouldn't have to speculate like this

Nope, RB is town by wagon voting and Vecna sheeting him. Plus, he's getting frustratingly wrong and arrogant. Vecna sheeting him is the nail in the coffin.

Vecna/lil Uzi/kison/drone/one person above me

Are we gonna play the game where u annoyingly call me wrong constantly but then u end up being the one actually wrong?

We were both half right, and you're voting me so I know you're wrong.

Magna, there's little chance of Vifam being scum (being last random is a decent play, and Transcend's play is pretty townie).

^SCUM^

ohreallynow?

McMenno how uber srs are u about trans+titus scum?

remember that time when I rolled up the entire scumteam and won the game for town?

yeah me neither but about that srs

both town, mc - can you tell us how you were so off on your reads onthese slots, please?

Rb is like how ira was to me
I don't have a reason to sr him but I want to have one so I can push him

and then he gets permab& for being a 1337 h4x0r?

I've crumbed all of my cards btw

Have fun setup nerds

well what are you waiting four

Ok honestly this shit is confusing and i think I've obvtowned my slot enough to not get lynched ever

Like only person who DOESN'T townread me is k77 who's been confbias on me since what, page 1 or some shit. Lol.

I bid you adieu.

just scum things

I just find this quite telling, not sure how to articulate it.

Why is Vedith scummy ...

... vedith just reads emptily, and curbing town efforts to work together before it really starts is ultimately pro-scum. plus his vote on mcmenno feels like a bus tbh...

yes

aren't we all

SCUM

just like transcend boii

HAMMER INTENT

damn should've lolhammered while I had the chance

VOTE: transcend

ye boii

[/quote]
^the first post of the day^

and it just GOES ON AND ON and I could keep going but am tired so that's enough for now

[drealmerz7]

Stretch my ass. *sigh*

:O

[drealmerz7]

What is

red

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and goes 500mph?

Spoiler: ?

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[drealmerz7]

have a look into my brain:

I was thinking "is MB scum or town? scum or town? green or red? green, red, green, red, green, red" it made me think of an old joke

and so I shared it

[drealmerz7]

And maria with how easy that wagon went should have made most at least a little paranoid
Hence.my.saying the comparison of the two days should yield at least a scum

^^

[drealmerz7]

Let's kill mathblade

ftfy

[drealmerz7]

you can't just lynch people because you disagree with them lmao

I disagree

lynch this doggie

[drealmerz7]

I wonder what that is a metaphor for

fuck

metaphor

meta for

[drealmerz7]

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[drealmerz7]

ftfy = fixed that for you

[drealmerz7]

Are we just gonna stall for 2 days before people compromise on Angel?
If you really want Menno gone we can easily sort that out tomorrow

no, we're going to stall for 2 days before people compromise on mcmenno!
arcangel makes more sense for tomorrow, and this wagon composition is much more stable, can't you see?
your wheels are about to fall off over there
we're sturdy over here (though someone STINKS)

what's your rush on AA9, max? I mean, I don't want to put that "on" you as being a "rush", but, it kind of feels like a rush or priority of AA9 over mcmenno, rather than just a preferance of comfort thinking they're scum more than mcmenno is

I'm in no "rush" to lynch mcmenno (though I am tired of fucking waiting around for enough ppl to see the light), he's not a "priority" in any way - I just feel better about it

(1st and foremost the scumfactor coming from the slots, pre-mentioned wagon integrity+ the fact that to me even though the slot is very much scum it's been occupied by 3 people and that simply doesn't make the read as clear as it is on a single entity like mcmenno)

you really feel better about AA9 over mcmenno? I don't quite understand why

really though, no stalling for 2 days, let's figure it out, talk it out

we've got 2 good viable wagons with what seems to be like a good number of ppl working towards this thing together - why 1 over the other? I've said why I think mcmenno over AA9

and, FUCKING HELL, can we try and keep our pride and ego out of it and work for the fucking team? just because someone says "well I can be okay going over to AA9 if it comes to it" doesn't give you (and this is just a general example and so General Yu) the "upper hand positioning" to be stubborn and be like "well then come over to AA9 already mneh"

fuckin' be real, put it out there, and let's do it right

[drealmerz7]

anyone make anything of AA9 not voting their CW at this point?

just a lack of competence? hard to think even that does that

[drealmerz7]

AA9 is not going to vote mcmenno if they are scumbuddies and mcmenno has better cards (and a better position in the game as far as not being a 3rd stringer)

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno reversely can't get away with not voting AA9, that'd just be superscumpect

it's an odd thing

and I'm just dillying with my thoughts

okbed

[drealmerz7]

Are we just gonna stall for 2 days before people compromise on Angel?
If you really want Menno gone we can easily sort that out tomorrow

Are we really gonna stall for two days before people compromise on McMenno?
If you really Angel gone we can easily sort that out tomorrow.

are you not reading the thread fully or did you post this before catching up?

why did I even bother to ask

If you're going to accept that as an answer, that's a valid question. Care to answer it?

not speaking for vecna, my take on it was that his question was rhetorical,

he bothered to ask because he wanted to know the answer, that is implied in the asking of the question initially

the follow-up question serves to show that mcmenno continues to be less than helpful

unless you're implying vecna's original question to have not actually been a search for the answer it appears to be?

but, no, I think this is just a trollpost from -grey- and it pings me REALLY FUCKING HARD

[drealmerz7]

are you not reading the thread fully or did you post this before catching up?

I respond to posts as I read them. It's not rocket surgery.

thanks for answering the question

not thanks for the attitude it was served with

[drealmerz7]

and I know I don't have much exposure to you, but you seemed the sort to do wall catch-ups, not respond as you go

will have to change that in my head

[drealmerz7]

noted...

continuing then,

I'm quite amused that youhad almost the same response that I did to that post

[drealmerz7]

but he's not getting away with it...unless you let him...

[drealmerz7]

...t scum using Menno as a neighbourhood infiltrator just seems about as plausible as the Rock being asked to be the next James Bond. No offense intended Menno

can you tell me why you're so confident about that?
is it something about mcmenno specifically?

[drealmerz7]

is there any reason not to just go ahead and continue with:

VOTE: mcmenno ?

that's where I'm at

I did ISO a few people over Night attempting to figure shitsout - mcmenno is still the best lynch / most likely scum, imo, and nothing has changed

[drealmerz7]

- McMenno isn't really that scummy.

can you elaborate at all on this? I look at his ISO and I see mostly scummy, cutesy scum-claims, being difficult, etc. I'd like to see what you see even if I don't retain the view after you show it

[drealmerz7]

^^^ how is that not just plain scum-tastic? ^^^

[drealmerz7]

it's less advocating a lynch and more considering scum-potentiality - it's good to talk the stuff out

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[drealmerz7]

I'm mostly concluded that MB is dumbtunneling to the extreme but I wouldn't be surprised if they were scum either, not the most comfortable vote going there

much more comfortable with the mcmenno vote still think we should pursue that after how the wagons were yesterday especially

[drealmerz7]

I do - and now

may

be an optimal time to STU, but I think mcmenno is more likely scum still vs. that slot which has become a null read and I always prefer my scumreads being lynched

[drealmerz7]

the wagon built for inactivity

the lynch happened because at a certain point it switches to scummy behavior to not defend yourself/aid in the scumhunt as your wagon builds for inactivity

[drealmerz7]

there's no way giga is scum

[drealmerz7]

spyr I have LUV as a bit of a scumlean - he is one I keep going back to too

[drealmerz7]

vc stuff is great thanks, spyr

[drealmerz7]

it's a 2fer

[drealmerz7]

your recipe for pb cookies

GIVE IT OVERERRRR

[drealmerz7]

I do not like that V/LA move by LUV at all

that's scumtastic

[drealmerz7]

holy crap he's got a full hand

[drealmerz7]

the cards are stupid and a distraction

all those fucking cards dave had and how much scum did it net us?

scumhunt, ppl

mcmenno lynch please

[drealmerz7]

@ maxous, vecna, and fishy (and grey too but grey is voting atm and I understand it)

you were comfortable voting mcmenno yesterday

is there a difference/reason today why you're not voting him today? can you share it if so?

are we waiting for claim stuff and I'm supposed to not be pushing for a lynch? because I just want to lynch...

[drealmerz7]

I mean I'll claim if that's what we're decided when it's my turn

buuut, I'm just kind of like...maxous you listed mcmenno, why aren't you voting him?

I realize I could be missing something so, sorry if so...I can be patient, let me know...

[drealmerz7]

I do see that the MB push on you could be over-confident scum ready to "drive it home" or something

but it seems SO off and yesterday I was decided "no that is just dumb-tunnel hardcore" and was trying to settle down with that...

the scumread reasoning on giga is...what

is

that?

ugh

could it be over-confident scum? "they'll never think I'm scum pushing the dumb-tunnel on dunnstral AND going after pretty-much-conf.town giga!"

but, why draw the attention?! it's hard to reconcile

again, more ppl with MB experience need to tell me more

[drealmerz7]

^ funny too

[drealmerz7]

that is scum mentality / taking one for the team is how I view that

you've done like 1 good post since replacing in you have no standing to play "woe is me"

I'll agree I thought vifam was quite town, but, on a long journey you can't expect to make it without a re-fuel, even if you switch drivers

[drealmerz7]

what's wrong with mcmenno > TWIE at this point?

[drealmerz7]

not wholly opposed to MB, but I can't discredit the high-possibility they're just dumb-tunneled where TWIE's last posts are blatant scum-taunts, almost daring us to kill him to try and dissuade it

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno first though, definitely

[drealmerz7]

Either way, LUV is still scum and I don't know why no-one else thinks that.

I think he very well could be and would prefer him over MB - been keeping my SR on him quieter than I maybe should - they could be scumbuddies too

[drealmerz7]

scumtastic!!!

[drealmerz7]

if mcmenno+MB flip town

maybe shoot dunnstral??

[drealmerz7]

oh right, gerry is probably wrong if he is town

that's a good reminder

[drealmerz7]

I missed on K-Diamonds (which was already known) - if you want to add it to your notes there for ppls if it matters

[drealmerz7]

obvtown titus = scumslip ?? cause that slot is only obv. town if you are red!

[drealmerz7]

horse manure bears much nutrients and growth for my garden

I value it greatly

[drealmerz7]

perhaps if you use analogies they should be more thought out

[drealmerz7]

what I have is more than a garden, it's a small farm and horse manure is something I rely on, it's also very expensive to get good manure

I have a giving neighbor who gives me theirs for free, it's wholly sustainable and I give them vegetables in return (and feed their horses vegetables!)

I take offense to your equating worthlessness to something I value so highly

[drealmerz7]

and MY analogy with the manure and giga's words

ACTUALLY WORKS and has depth to its meaning

so when you make shit comments about "making analogies in the future" - think first

[drealmerz7]

wtf is the delay on the lynch anyway?

c'mon scummers, give up one of your own already

busing for cred time GOGOGO

[drealmerz7]

ok that is kind of shitty of me, but, seriously, wtf is the delay?

[drealmerz7]

Alright I've got a good one

Why did the programmer tunnel town?

because they were scum!

[drealmerz7]

haha 'they'

I'm laughing now!

giggles, you better not be fucking scum! I fucking swear

[drealmerz7]

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[drealmerz7]

it's the only hood for me!

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for now

hah!

[drealmerz7]

can I be really fucking crude? totally not PC

wicked sick humor?

yes?

Spoiler: I'll do it here

where's michael vick when you need him to put a doggy out of his misery? it's HAMMERTIME

[drealmerz7]

morning

VOTE: MathBlade

yes, the frog is just a pile of bloodmush now

[drealmerz7]

not that I feel the need to jump to giga's defense from MB, but:

i have been townreading titus the entire game

^drealfucker can verify too btw post-maria lynch i still townread her

i was iffy but i thought it was unlikely. drealmerz was scumreading her but i said that the best way we can be sure is to see how she re-evaluates

yerp, verified

[drealmerz7]

well that was nice and merciful, LUV

[drealmerz7]

uhh, mcmenno did not help himself or town at all, gerry, how about raging at him for playing like shitscum as town?

[drealmerz7]

no energy to do much here tonight, but...

really, dunnstral? were you just sitting around wondering where to lay some blame and my name looked good / I looked like an easy target or ???

I'll agree that we all need to be on-guard about each other, but, you seem to pick me out of no where suddenly ?

will address more specific things tomorrow - no work on thurs

[drealmerz7]

I'm going to say what I said to giga in our PT: (btw fuck you whoever killed them - I am coming for you, motherfucker)

I know this isn't what probably anyone wants to hear, but it is how I play and I am being straight with it to you all: I'm NOT trying to distract, but I have to put it out there before going forward

LUV is my strongest scumread, and for me this game is just that, I want to lynch my top SR first - I think it likely that TWIE/Kison would sort from a LUV lynch, at least for me, that is how I'd ideally play it, now that I've said that,

I'm not going to push it and understand the dipole and do think we should stay focused there (don't worry, giga - I'ma keep it on track~! even if I have to go full-rage mode...) everything else is a back-burner issue

it's TWIE or Kison today

fishy is fucking town as fuck, #2 TR after giga, and I was right about giga (no duh)

dunnstral, stay focused or get farther down on my SR list (gerry is badtown, dude) - do you not have a SR/scumlean on kison or TWIE?

[drealmerz7]

I actually thought clubs was better and suggested as much a few times but giga kept saying just to do ace - of course you just have to take my word for it - ugh, why didn't they come back with their summary and more stuff before the deadline?????

wait, can I quote the PT? *goes and checks*

[drealmerz7]

yeah that is what I thought I remembered from that incident but was double-checking

I don't see anything anywhere

do you want quotes of any variety?

[drealmerz7]

inventory just ace of clubs imo

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dunn being scum means dave wasn't killed for a card cop

probably one in {TWIE, Dunn}

^ same w grey but i HIGHLY highly highly doubt it

{drealfucker, fishy, Vecna, Max, Giga, Grey, gerry} i still think is all town

^forgot spyrex

{grey, fishy, max, drealmerz, vecna, spyrex}

^ one scum in this pool

fuck

dunn/gerry unlikely SvS
plausible TvT but unlikely

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bout to send in inventory request for ace of clubs right?

not just clubs we sure?

yes.

we can just count the number of clubs in the massclaim

ace of clubs is what we care about. if we get a result of 1 then we know any guilty TWIE pulls is bs

[drealmerz7]

why? I thoroughly looked through the rules

[drealmerz7]

hmm, well if it shouldnt' be done, it should be in the rules is what I think, and have seen it explicitly so in many games

and this game is detailed as fuck

I'm sure quipla was conscious in this, if not, then I can't be held accountable for it not being in the rules I think

[drealmerz7]

it's done now, refocus

[drealmerz7]

you don't see LUV as likely scum, gerry?

[drealmerz7]

and LUV doesn't fit into that 4th slot for you?

[drealmerz7]

yepper

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[drealmerz7]

alright, scummers, time to get on your bus and get going...c'mon c'mon

unless there's a reason to wait and watch the LUV-spew for awhile? *gets a poncho*

[drealmerz7]

I was just about to head off for a while (it's a beautiful day) but saw this opened up and wanted to say:

well done team on going for the obvi-scum yesterday instead of the mechanical dipole, I really thought there was no chance I'd get anyone on board with that!!! That is how I like to play (lynch my top scumreads!) and it was very rewarding to have others who felt the same / were supportive / and were able to work together to get it done.

SCUM, THE WIM I HAVE IS MUCH HIGHER, STRONGER, AND POWERFUL THAN YOURS!!!

WE CAN DO THIS!!!

[drealmerz7]

okay catching up - didn't have the focus for mafia yesterday

TL;DR: drealmer is 100% town...-snip-

Hey, thanks for this post~! It makes me feel good to have the support and honestly now that the game is a bit smaller and I got both good support from you and giga I feel like IT'S TIME TO COME OUTTA THE SHELLLLLL! at least a bit - This is my biggest game ever and when it started I felt really out of my depths the complex mechanics (still do a bit but at least it's a lot more simple now with the less players) and with all of the players + being so unfamiliar with a large portion of them (either completely unfamiliar or only minimal-medium partial exposure with varying "familiarities".)

I'd say dunnstral is definitely the player I am most familiar with in an overall way at this point for who is alive still and I still don't have a good feel for him

at all

(which is growing more and more disconcerting at this point in the game) - the brain says "yeahhh probably town" but the gut says "ummm, I have no fucking clue! beware! it can be almost anyone at this point and do NOT discount dunnstral being possible!" - edit - and now I have caught up with the game fully and am going back and reading my wall-post and yeah...dunnstral scum, very little doubt

like congrats on coming into the thread and suggesting the literal stupidest thing you could have.

found it in one try.

this made me laugh! - see I'm used to gerry saying dumbshit, so it doesn't even phase me when he does, but your delivery on this was great

I don't like the Dunn/gerry lynch. It's pretty damn likely they are both town, IMO.

I don't think so at this point I think it's more likely badtowngerry and dunnstral trying to push the ML on him forever and not being able to release that "view" that "gerry is scum" because he's been holding on to it as a thing for so long

If it gets worse than that, remind me not to play Day 1 any more.

Holyfuck yes be careful out there, D1s tend to BLOW CHUNKS a lot of times wayyy more horrid than this D1 (which in relativity wasn't so bad, especially considering the 23p start, and rb being in the game.)

I really get the feeling that drealmerz is scum, though

again with this - can you say why???

this just feels to me like you know your push on gerry is doomed to fail and so you're setting up who you think you can get MLed next

vifam was already obvious town

saying blanket shit like this at this point does nothing - it was NO OBVIOUS town to me, yes, I had a townlean there in a lot of ways but the card-choice method among other things pinged me in places and not OBVIOUS TOWN

and by vifam I mean vecna

who replaced vifam again?

wtf...nononono, this is bullshit

you don't fucking mix that shit up or be unclear like this at this point in the game, this is scum trying to derp

...I think drealmerz might be candidate for 3rd scum.

are you trying to bother me/get a rise? I have had like almost no reason for outlashing this game, it has been nice, and hey, I think it's actually allowed me to live longer than I normally live, but you keep repeating this baselessly and now you're asking for someone to help you figure out "how I can be town" or whatever paraphrase you accept, when you're not telling why you're reading me as scum in the first place - not good to say the least...

VOTE: gerry

i'm done here.

whoawhoa hold it there - I know you are most likely dumbtowngerry but, wtf, this is reallly scummy and makes me sick if you are town, dunnstral is the only one fucking with you really and he is likely scum at this point, holyfuck dude wtf this is dumbshit

Show me the post where gerry is voting for you. Or unvote.

got confused, his vote was from yesterday. I still hold my second stance.

of course you fucking do

you are the next lynch, btw - tell me now and I might be merciful in my destroying of you (MIGHT), did you perform the actual kill on giga? if the answer is yes, there will be no mercy, but, if the answer is no, there MIGHT be, if you tell me who did...

What the hell? Unvote! Both of you! We've not spent 250 pages to lose like this! Replace out if you don't care! I do care!

I'm really glad you were here

. grey can shoot me

this sounds good to me actually

Tell me what that team would be

really? you can't fucking figure out some team options??? how the fuck are you seeing gerry+maria scum, can't you recognize badtowngerry??! yeahh, pretty sure you're scum here, dunnstral - I'm on you

even if you don't include yourself? I'm not going to do your legwork for you, but your team there is poop - let me get it right - you think maria, LUV, gerry, myself, + other are the scum team? who would it be anyway? even so, that is like, the furthest from an all-star team if I could ever construct one I think (not FURTHEST but Yu get the idea), and I am thinking at this point in the game we are up against a much more advanced team than THAT group makes up, even though I am pretty excellent and can carry the weight of some shit scumteams (Ttyll!!), that is not what is going on here - and that is not WIFOM, that is COMMON FUCKING SENSE for this game.

I've got:

dunnstral/twie/maxous as my likely grouping at this point, btw
if I'm wrong on 1 of those, then grey is the scum I'm wrong on prettysure

Again, I've got cards that make me very unlikely maf, I saved giga from suicide, and I was on maria before most anyone else

this is all you have going for you anymore though, and I'm not sure I fully agree about maria and even so, that could have been you seeing the incoming storm (read maria lynch) ahead of time and positioning yourself for it - you've got major towncred for the giga save, but, that is about it and "cards that make you unlikely maf" I can TOTALLY SEE YOU DOING as scum (I am not super-familiar with you as scum, but, I'm familiar with you enough to not discount this being quite possible AT ALL - especially not now with how it is all shaping up)

2.mcmenno - I made it clear I did not want to lynch mcmenno

not sure if you made it clear WHY though (if you did, correct me, I just don't recall), and that is very convenient for scum to do on a lynch that 1.) they know is going to flip town because they're scum and 2.) doesn't have to do much to defend or have much chance of saving given how it all was

what if the two of you just shut the fuck up

hey but then what would my catchup be about? I know it is annoying but we need to get it resolved too and to me it is helping me clear up dunn even more

like no one cares about this fucking bullshit tunnel both of you have for each other for no fucking reason.

actually, no, it is content at this point that needs resolved and what else are we doing inthis 48hr period?

ugh, I honestly don't feel good about a kison shot and gerry really might be the better shot at this point in the game

why am i mafia then?

horrible push on me for a "slip" I've given up on trying to work around people who play absolutely atrociously this game, that deserves a lynch in my opinion. Policy or no

In the diamonds neighborhood you made it clear that you intended to lynch mcmenno after me and that "one of us had to be scum" which was just setting us up to both die

By the way if gerry is town I think we're in autoloss

Still true, by the way. I don't see why I'm getting painted as unreasonable when we LITERALLY LOSE IF GERRY IS TOWN and parks on me

oh so you've got your "if gerry is town" caveat in there again, how nice...

you're both acting fucking retarded tbh.

my life is worse for having been in this game with both of you.

uhhm, that is not cool, please watch what you call people and I'm getting a bit bleh on your attitude - we know how you feel

Somebody tell me why drealmerz is town.

omfg dude

this is just...scumtastic...*breathes*

WHY DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM? let's try that one!!! you aren't even addressing me or asking me to defend myself on any points about me or raising any points for me to smackdown...because you know I'd bring the smackdown I guess and you're just seeing if you can get any movement in my direction/on me with others (is my guess?)

I think it very unlikely that drealmerz is shot over others.

yes, me too, I'm not really seen as much of a tactical threat (cause I'm not, though now with less players it is certainly a lot easier to follow what powers for which players are active and the whatnot that goes along with all of that and so I can do better with that part of it than I was doing before at least!)

really not sure why you're evening bringing this up other than to be a scumfuck though

Alright, I can see I'll have to wait. But right now drealmerz is acting so

off

compared to what I'm used to that I really suspect he's scum.

wow, something so wholly fucking vague and nonsensical - great job...seriously, I'm not even going to get into it, I just typed out some rage at you and deleted it because we don't need that right now - if you've got a case on me, present it, if you want to talk about whatever "off" shit you want, actually say what you think about it / what it means instead of being so vague, I just feel like you're baiting me into getting ragey (which tends to get ppl to want to vote me and I start to muddle thoughts and not play as well which doesn't serve at all)

Actually, we can also talk about TWIE. I don't like that people are assuming he's confirmed town if kison flips scum. Because he's not, and bussing isn't all that unlikely in this scenario

this isn't a terrible thought to have on the table

wow okay all caught up!

oh and for the record when I saw the shot on kison my brain immediately jumped to it getting resolved when the mod saw it, I corrected myself and only made a dumb-post about it in the hood, but, I did it nonetheless and so gerry doing it...well...that doesn't make me feel better about myself I guess but it could make him feel better about himself!

[drealmerz7]

I guess a better way to put it would be that if I were in the position, I'd be hard-pressed to shoot someone I am TRing like I am Kison (I'm glad I'm not in the position) and if I HAD to choose between 2 TRs I could easier see myself to gerry than Kison because of his liability-factor

I understand the point about getting the information from the dipole on killing Kison, but, it's hard for me still because 1.) the shot is directed not free-will and 2.) some sort of both-scum gambit by you+kison still isn't RULED OUT (I'm not arguing that is the case, I'm saying it's not ruled out)

[drealmerz7]

regardless, now I am just hoping kison is actually scum and that it was a good shot and looking to move forward once the 48hrs resolves

though I suppose we could argue for grey to switch the target/call it off if we wanted? but, yeah, I'm not arguing for that even at all - just talking

[drealmerz7]

and you don't need to tell me/point out to me how bad badtowngerry is, fyi, though he is at times receptive to constructive criticism, your hounding him isn't helpful

[drealmerz7]

not so

it is good to share thoughts at this point, regardless of how valid they might be

I like to see ppl's thoughts and thought-processes and I think sharing mine, regardless of how stupid it might be or look or whatever, so others can get a better idea of my state-of-mind/position, whatever

if you don't care about them, don't care about them, disregard them, and move on, you don't have to shit on them

or be constructive and converse with me, but, yeah...pretty sure you're scum just trying to stirshitup

[drealmerz7]

I'm 1 person

not a bunch of people

and I'm JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, which is good to do, you're acting as if it is some egregious event

that is my issue

[drealmerz7]

like I said, in the initial post, not even arguing for that, just sharing my thoughts on the matter

pretty sure I did anyway

[drealmerz7]

that is not what I said

ffs

holy fuck, just disengaging you, pretty sure you're scum now

fishy, not sure how you got town-feels from the interaction in-thread with this one ...

p-edit

uhh, yeahhh, done with you

you just don't understand and you don't care to